I bought an RTX 2080 on ebay 2 weeks ago for $165 US. Took me about a week of watching prices to find one at that price. You just have to find the right card because some cards are priced based on reputation not actual performance. So there are over priced and under priced cards out there.
True. Used rx 6600 is scarce as hell in my area, and if you ever found one, its basically got the same price as the new one, minus the warranty but extra dust and man-juices On the contrary, rx6600xt is flooding the used market, I think I saw one as low as $166
This is a good post - people overpay for the old popular cards and they don't actually consider raster in general. RTX 3060 Ti is a wonderful value card and is easy on power relatively speaking so it fits well into older or more space confined builds.
How is it Costco has to recall butter that doesn't say "contains milk" on the front of the packaging, but Nvidia can call something RTX3050 that is 100% inside and out different from the original RTX3050 and that's okay..? Why aren't they being sued into oblivion for misleading marketing fraud? This seems horrifically illegal and yet they do it rampantly
Pascal was the breakthrough in efficiency. I remember swapping out my GTX770 2GB with a GTX1060 6GB purely because 2GB of VRAM made the 770 fall off a cliff when it got 3 years past release, utterly shit card. The 1060 gave me double the frames at 1080P than the 770 gave at 720P with lower settings (VRAM restriction) and drew less than half the watts. My 600 watt PSU went from having about 8.33% headroom (50 watts) to having about 30% headroom (180 watts) instantly. RTX20 series was more efficient core for core again and I suspect RTX60 series will see another big efficiency bump, going forward. As opposed to just giving people less silicon like as has happened in RTX40 cards.
@@darthwiizius Each generation after Pascal has also been more efficient that the previous, Pascal wasn't some kind of magic, it was a node shrink. Turing is more efficient per watt than Pascal and Ampere was a little better than Turing. And finally with a big node shrink, Ada is wayyy more efficient. No magic, just normal progress.
i have one here and it is so bad that i cant even install linux, because the nvidia driver is so old it doesnt work this post only works as display adapter on windows, for now
When nvidia "retires driver support" these will be like $100, not like it'll change anything because the drivers probably have barely changed in the past 4 years
With the amount of Pascal cards (not to mention laptops) out in the wild there will be new drivers made by the modders within a second after the last Nvidia driver drops. Probably be better too, as they have no vested interest in selling new cards.
No shit right? I'm kind of wondering if this was because the 1080 TI is more attention grabbing,? It's just like.. why would you you go for the thing that is the minimum cutoff for a lot of tech that developers are definitely not going to code alternatives for, just for the PC.. and are going to use it, whether it makes an actual visual difference or not to the performance it costs.. Of which, the machine learning anti aliasing genuinely does make a difference given the way modern games rely on things that need temporal stabilization in order to appear on the screen as some resemblance of what they're supposed to be.. and and with the MLA a, now you can have that in motion lol sometimes.. depending on the hidden settings and video won't let you put in the menu. Is he though, is he comparing FSR to something like a machine learning image reconstruction technique? Cuz.. they really don't compare if your your video game.. as in video as in motion picture.. is in movement.. and sometimes not even then depending on the way occlusion is handled, usually, mysteriously and entirely the engine defaults from epic, or if lucky, the bad practices proposed by epic.. meaning you're lucky if they even hadn't an idea about what the box was to check or uncheck or not check or if it was there at all in modern development. I really like dawid, But this video is premise feels like it's getting confused by picking the flashiest potential example and then kneecapping the p potential of the actual premise cuz that flashy example is not a good one especially by comparison to many many others. And it's all just add a little blurb at the end.. and yeah you know what if this was two years ago or so I feel like it would have a little bit more weight because of things like mesh shaders not being pushed out the gospel wagon of epic to console developers.. which are going to be coming more common. But honestly the machine learning aspect is been.. Just it's performance in motion alone solving so many problems that had plagued the modern industry, like I'm not even talking about the upscaling nonsense.. I'm talking about not having the entire game be a blurry mess of pixelation when doing anything of video game might do outside of a screenshot.
@JackWse Dawid is one of my favorite techtubers, so I mean no offense in saying it's not a recommendation. I highly recommend the 1080 TI for collectors, at around $150 USD. It's just not a pick for someone in need of a budget used card, especially at that wattage.
No, stay on fleabay. Ignore the list prices, make offers for the prices I mentioned. Be picky, don't settle for any sketchy listings, or dirty cards. Even if they don't have Make Offer, send them one via message. Most sellers will take these offers, ignore the ones that call you a low-baller. This is the going rate, most sellers are over pricing the listings, looking for suckers, or are flippers. I'm a system builder, and get plenty for the above. It just takes more time if you only need one card, since you don't want many to accept, like I do.
Really! What website was it? Buying used graphics cards is a hit or miss chance. Due to me experiencing several months ago! A used gtx 1650 i bought off fb marketplace being faulty other times i bought a used graphics card for a friend of mine it did work very well! for his 11 year old acer desktop pc. But be aware that buying used second hand graphics card is a hit or miss! Not always the person selling it to you is honest about it being faulty!
I've never bought a new GPU, I prefer to wait a year or three when the games that are actually made for it come out and I can get decent price to performance used.
@@darthwiizius I got my 1070ti EVGA FTW2 Brand new on release for £450. Long are those days gone. but one of the best purchases ever. Was so proud of it, and was fab to see the extras you get for the premium, for certificates, posters, Bags, ect. and 5 years+ later i got a 3060 12gb for £260 few months ago new MSI may as well of spat in the box when i opened it. Just a GPU nothing else. Not even a thank you.
@@julmdamaslefttoe3559 If I'd bought one of those in 2017 instead of my old 1060 6GB I'd still be happily using it today. When you bare in mind I swapped that out for a 2060S 4 and a half years ago that basically says a lot (I bought it at the start of the GPUpocalypse, I was after a 2070S but the shop sold it just before I got there so the 2060S was literally the last card for sale for 30 miles around me without getting scalped harder than Johnny Ringo. Still cost me 400 quid though, used retail but basically new, the factory manufacturing date was just a couple of months before I bought it). The performance of 8 chip Pascal cards was pretty damn amazing back in 2016 and 2017, Pascal must be remembered as the GOAT architecture because every card delivered massive performance bumps at way lower power consumption than Maxwell or Haswell. My 1060 is why I'll never buy another 6 chip card, damn thing was great for a couple of years running on my 4th gen i7 but the moment I upgraded to AM4 in 2019 I found it to just strangle the hell out my new system. Would not have had, still wouldn't be having, that issue with a 1070 or better 8 chip Pascal card today, 5 years on. My old GTX770 was an MSi card, aesthetically lovely classic MSi 2 fan unit but by the end I wanted to spit on it myself, card looked nice but by 2016 nothing on my screen did.
interesting timing on this video. just the other day i got my old 1080ti system out, dusted it off and set it up for a family member to use. they still go strong.
My brother is getting the leftovers from my upgrade. He is getting my older, Fractal Compact Meshify with an AM4- Z370 chipset Motherboard (1st gen Ryzen era) with a R5-5600G, 32 GB of 2666 RAM (this MotherBoard is fussy over RAM!) and a GTX 980ti. I threw in a new Crucial m.2 and 2-1/2" SSD (also has a 2TB Spinning HDD intended for a Laptop- for Media storage) The 980ti still works pretty good, for 1080p. Too bad End of support is approaching it.
@@greenman8 Yeah by the time i had to take the 970 out of the system, because of damage (fan controller failed) which is a year and a half ago, driver bugs unique to the Maxwell series and remaining unfixed have been accumulating, not many yet but sign of things to come, for example was it Yuzu in Vulkan mode or something else, it's starting. On the Pascal series they had the same driver bug but fixed it within 4 months to half a year, but it stayed on Maxwell for one and a half years at that point. Snope a cheap 2060Super though, makes me happy enough.
@@Solruc_ Actually the 3050 8GB had both GA106 and GA107 versions with identical specs (core count,PCIe 4.0 lanes and staff). The reason why the 3050 8GB was cut down to PCIe 4.0x8 (vs 4.0x16 on the 3060) was that they originally planned to use the 107 die all along.
@@Solruc_ GA106 really didn't make any sense, it had 3840 cuda cores which got cut down to 2560 (full GA107 spec) for the 3050 8GB, it wasn't a yield issue they practically just wasted silicon.
The 1080ti was, and still is, an absolute powerhouse. I wish I had bought one at the time but I had to settle with a 1070 (which was still stellar for the price). It's really sad to look at the current prices to performance compared to back then. Jeez.
@@Dorraj unfortunately they will never release such an awesome card again. Now we've got like 11 different card offerings filling in every gap of the market for crazy prices.
@volvo09 if Nvidia was smart they'd spend a generation getting their name out of the mud and selling the new Gen of cards at amazing prices before slowly jacking them up again. It's a legitimate strategy!
@@vinylSummer well yeah, that's the problem in the first place. It's like pokemon. Everyone complains every time a new game comes out, yet it breaks sales records every time. Listen, I'm just dreaming out loud, okay? Lol
fun fact, the 1070ti features the same PCB as the 1080, but cut down. Overclocked a 1070ti can beat or match a 1080 (Stock no OC) and can be found for same price as a NON TI 1070. £80-100 Cracking price, 256bit bus and 8gb VRAM.
@@drewnewby i wouldn't buy a 2060, they aren't bad but they lack vram, when I used one it In some games I had to run lower settings than it was capable of just because of the vram
@tyler6602 That's a good point, I usually pick out the RX 5700 for the under $100 USD builds. At 1080p, it's not much of a difference, but newer games are getting there even with lower settings.
Is Amd still that bad as it used to be several years ago? Just asking because all those bad negative experiences from people due to badly optimized drivers it have! However i know intel cards are far more worse than AMD! Just asking because i bought some several months ago a friend of mine a used rx 580 8gb it worked just very well on his 11 year old pc with lesser demandings games like football manager
Not that bad anymore. Driver issues still exist because they always will, however. With that said, if you're in the $200 budget range and willing to buy used, a used 3060 12gb has comparable performance as well and is much younger.
@@eggtarts286i got an RTX 3050 8GB for just 65$ as a special discount from my freind who upgrades into an RX 7800 XT and i felt guilty now that many calls it a "trash card", is it a good value at 60 ish dollars thought?
@@Asadc1995actually amd has really good value in the middle/high tier gpu market (think 7700xt upwards for latest gen) and Intel now is a budget beast out of nowhere with the b580, similar performance and price as the 1080ti but with modern features such as raytracing and XESS (basically DLSS) Driver support for the both of them are completely on track now and comparable to nvidia
Dawid, I love these type of videos from you. They are super information dense without being overwhelming, not overly long, but still extremely entertaining. Thank you!
I recently picked up an RTX 3090 from a friend for $250. I’m not going to be upgrading anytime soon. That was such a great deal for me. I’ve also got a 9800X3D coming in the mail and I’m so excited to use it.
you my man really did a bad choice if you play anything else apart from competitive shooters. That CPU costs too much and that GPu coosts too little. The 3090 can be driven by a 7700 non xt for normal gaming. To feed the 9800X3D you need 4090+
The 1080ti was an amazing card in its time. Deffinetly my favourite card I've ever bought (on price to performance wise) currently on a 4090 sold my 1080ti when I upgraded to a 3080 sold the 1080ti for £180 and that was like 2/3 years ago
60fps is literally the market standard. Consoles are struggling to even hit that these days. I'll admit that higher fps makes a big difference but acting like 60 is unplayable is just sage bait.
@@Crusader-yq1bf Yes but most people aren't playing competitively. Its only the online shooters you need stupid amounts of fps. Having 200 fps ain't going to make any difference if your playing The last of us or Fallout 4.
Just replaced my 1080Ti for a 4070, and that's where it gets interesting, I was more than happy with the 1080Ti at 1080p, but at 1440p, it's starting to show its age. Still a legend of a card @1080p and has a few more years in it yet.
People still overpay on the used market for big name NV GPUs like the 1080 Ti - wouldn't recommend it unless you can get it for a hell of a bargain(good luck!). You're way, WAY more likely to easily score something like an RTX 3060 Ti for under $180 USD which absolutely *trounces* a GTX 1080 Ti.
In no way will you find an rtx 3060 ti for 180 usd unless its listed as broken as for parts, or you have a one in a million luck. Far from typical pricing. Maybe 220-230 at the very least.
@@Boba_Fett1980 This is wildly inaccurate - I bought a Zotac 3060 Ti last december for $225 shipped off ebay in perfect condition. I bought another for $187 shipped this august. Those were both solid deals, but you can easily search ebay recently sold to confirm this.
@@volvo09 £130-150 in the UK, they're holding up thanks to TH-camrs making videos like this :P If you were looking to upgrade it's a nice easy discount on your next card.
I bought a pny 1080Ti for roughly $150 a year ago and I am currently using a MSI 2080TI that I bought for 200 about the same time. If you a willing to be patient and or compromise on brand or quality you can find some decent deals. The 1080TI I have is uses a blower style cooler which is absolute garbage, the thing would thermal throttle within 5 minutes, so I used experimented with msi afterburner to make a more aggressive fan curve and a slight undervolt when I play games now it stays about 5-10 degrees cooler than the throttle limit.
3:55 I mean, what I've learned from Jacob Knowles, lobsters can be almost immortal, they don't die of old age, what kills them is if they become weak they won't shed their shells and die because they outgrow the shell, other than that, they can live hundreds of years, and become massive.
My current favourite super cheap used buy is the 2080 Super, have picked up a few even less than 1080Ti's which have an enduring TH-camr pricing effect (thanks Dawid :P). 2080Ti is also a good used buy since it's basically an 11GB RTX 3070. A little unreliable though, buyer beware... lots of VRAM chips means lots of opportunity for failure, they don't like sagging.
Yeah, make sure it either has second or newer gen Micron RAM or Samsung memory. 1st gen micron RAM cooks itself on all RTX20 models, if you do have 1st gen Micron then you need a moderately aggressive underclock and undervolt to be safe, and never, and I mean never, turn up the temperature limits or overclock the memory. I suspect that the reasons that DDR6 is underclocked out of the box by 1000MHz on RTX20 cards is because Nvidia was aware of the issue before launch (and it was a good way to rip off consumers buying weak arsed 30 series cards that got most of their performance uplift from memory speed, cough 3060), you'd be amazed at how fast RTX 20 cards can go once you unleash the memory, my 2060S fully clocked is faster at up to 8GB workloads than a 3060, for example, which can not be memory OC'ed by 1200MHz like my 2060S can, though 1200 is absolutely the limit and I tend to vary the card between stock, +500 MHz and +1000MHz depending on what I'm running and if I need the extra performance. An easy way to be safe is to buy "Super" cards, all the Micron RAM on those is second gen or newer.
@@Lovetheducks The info I found was that a Maine lobster can usually live at least 100 years, but nothing further than that. Theoretically, there is no reason a GTX 1080Ti can't function 300 years in the future, that I'm aware of. You'll have to replace the capacitors, perhaps. Idk how those more modern ones fare. But you get the idea. Lobsters are pretty cool, though. I'd love to be in my prime at age 100, rather than age 40.
The real issue with the 1080ti is that the cars are like 8 years old. I would never spend $200 on a card that old, I wouldn't even spend that on a card that's 5 years old.
MUCH MUCH much better spend than the "3050" thats actually just a 3030 or 3010 might as well be, especially for similar price. 1080 ti will still be supported for at least a few years.
I bought one last summer, and I wish I didn´t. Shortly there after it started crashing more and more to desktop when trying to game. First I thought it was the psu, but after getting a tip to do a memory check, it turns out that one or more memory chips were dead or dying.
@wewillrockyou1986 not with the same performance or amount of vram as the 1080ti, in any case the regular 3050 8 GB would be a massive downgrade from the 1080ti let alone the cut down 6 gig version.
I don't need to buy a 1080ti, I've had one since 2017 and I won't change it as long as it works. I'm old enough to understand that as long as things work there's no point in changing them, especially some hardware components that promise big changes that in any case serve no purpose except to make you throw away money every year.
@Ricek73 Sadly, since games mostly follow console cycles, a typical well spec'd PC can go 7-9 years. I have customers that want new builds every year or two, and I can upgrade every 6 months with all the parts, but I still don't.
5:57, honestly, anything over 60FPS is super playable for me. Maybe it's because most of my gaming time is in Fallout or Skyrim, where the engine literally stops working correctly above 60FPS? Also, my monitors are also only 60FPS?
I ran a 1080 Ti (EVHA FTW3, of course) until January of this year. At the time of replacement, it was still running games very well. It was an amazing investment.
I'm actually glad you made this video. My laptop has a RTX 3050 and was curious what certain games performance would look like. I tend to play lower demanding games anyways but good to know if i wanna slay some demons in doom I'm good.
I just switched from that exact card to a 7800XT.. The good old 1080ti was having a hard time, even after repasting, and DDU/reinstall.. either it was having a hard time with 3 monitors (worked fine on one), or something else in the card wasn't happy.. i loved that card.. it's now on display in my office.
I'm still rocking a GTX 1070 and getting all the FPS I need in the games that I play. Sure, I can't use ray tracing, and I'll need to upgrade if I want to play a new AAA title, but I'm totally happy with my 1070 for the time being. The GTX 10 generation was absolutely OP, and nvidia hasn't given us anything as impressive since.
Those FTW 3 1080 Ti's are kinda bulletproof! Last June I sold 4 of em that ran in quad-SLI since 2019, and 2 of em ran 2 way SLI since late 2017, pretty much non-stop. I have 4 Titan V's now in quad SLI that have been doing learn-y type work for 2 years, and one of em I absolutely beat the whizz out of since I bought it new years day of 2018. The 3 I bought used probably weren't well taken care of, but now...They get cleaned with a vac 2 or 3 times per year and re-pasted/padded as needed. About 2 and a half or 3, sometimes as long as 4 years. And they all still jam! Full tilt boogie for their entire lives! Lol! They are well built, and if you are getting them used from gamers that don't clean anything... After this long, it's probably a good bet that the unit is gonna be alright for yer interim gaming needs... The caveat here... Is that a used 3080 can be had for like 350 usd, and a Ti can probably be bargained for close to it. Depending on what ya do it might be worth it, but for many it isn't!
That's a lot more in freedom dollars and you're going to hate that 8 GB of VRAM. If you're buying new I wouldn't consider anything below a 4060 TI. Nvidia really did everyone dirty there.
@@aidanharris1 It's honestly pretty fine for a 4060, it's a 1080P card really. I'd always go for 3060 12GB instead of course since you can then at least play with some AI stuff as well but the 4060 isn't as bad as the internet says.
Running a EVGA 1080ti right now with a Kraken G12 and a Fractal 280mm AIO attached to it. Dead quiet and temps are insane 20c idle/38c full load. I got it as a bare card from a friend, it was a former hybrid model that needed a new capacitor. Things just line up sometimes. This card just moves through everything I play. I plan on replacing it with a 3080 once they get around $200.
I don't get why the 1080 was so hyped. I had the 1660 Ti and that was not nearly playable 1080p high settings, like the 2060. I fast moved on to the 3060 Ti and never regretted it
BIG NOTE TO ADD: one runs off of motherboard power and is much smaller, one runs off of supplemental power and is as big as high tier monolithic gpu from today
I found this one interesting myseld, but as others have said you can get 2080's for around 200$ on ebay. I picked up a blower style 2080ti recently for 185$ and after a repaste this card was 100% worth it upgrading over my old 1080 founders edition.
GTX 1080 Ti is STILL the GOAT. The Amount of memory on the card is now-a-days a really brutal factor. No one in their right mind should buy a 6GB card if they weren't force to like in the "old office pc" scenario. Not even 8GB is ok and 12GB isn't future-prof at all. It's at 16GB and above where you want to be. AMD is doing this better than Nvidia, if you want a decent amount you have to pay through the nose. I really hope the upcoming 5000 series Nvidia cards bring some more memory for the midrange.
It's kinda "future proof" in the sense you'll be dropping settings for these older cards anyway, they're unlikely to ever need to use more than 8GB of VRAM.
Had a 980Ti SLI setup for the longest time. After watching Jensen announce the disappointing 20-series cards, decided to hop on eBay and buy a used 1080 Ti. It was faster than my dual 980 Tis at full utilization. What a BEAST! I'm convinced we'll never see again that kind of generational performance uplift without a huge price hike.
@drewnewby Thanks for missing the point. You're doing great. Lol The comparison is with a 1080ti, Socrates. A 3060 is still supported. That's the definition of currency. Dollar for performance, there is no comparison. Your point about getting a used one even cheaper, simply reinforces my point, despite being wholly irrelevant to it.
@ghoffmann821 The point of the video is to compare a current $200 GPU to used at the same price, half wit. Again, no one should be buying a 3060 for $260 new at this point.
@@drewnewby Great. Congrats. The point of MY COMMENT, which is what you're replying to, is that buying a new 3060 makes more sense than running an 8 year old card. That's separate and different from the point of the video. Monetize missing the point, and never work another day in your life. 🤡
What an interesting video. Thanks man. My evga 1080 ti ftw died a few months ago. I'm going mount it in my room with a 3d print. Got a rx 7700xt to replace it.
Did you know that a person's legs make up roughly 30% of their body mass on average? You can totally live missing 30% of your biomass. That theoretical Matthew McConaughey would still be Matthew McConaughey just without legs. Food for thought. Definitely not food you wanted but...der ya goo
Interesting Video Dawid! I personally use a RX 6600 in my main PC and it's been great value so far for my 1080p needs. Looking forward, I might consider buying a used card when this one eventually kicks the bucket because the increase in value vs performance has really dropped off in the past few years as it feels like spending 3-$400 (Australian) just isn't going to cut it to keep a consistent 60 frames a second, at least not without dropping a few other visual settings.
1080ti user here. I bought 2 from CeX, one was a blower style and one was a Palit 2-fan model. I sent back the blower style and have been using this Palit 1080ti ever since 😁
Don't know about Canada, but in Australia right now you can get a used RTX 3070 for the same price. The 3070 was my personal upgrade path from my 1080Ti. If this is your budget right now, nothing less than an RTX 3070 should be considered.
The "sweat" is normal for the 10/20 series from EVGA, it is the pads they used. I had 5 different EVGA models from those series and every one of them had that sweat everywhere when you open them up.
I also have a GTX10x0 Used GPU, alas, with only 8GB of GDDR A few things: 1.) Aside from FSR, GTX10x0 CPUs also support Intel XeSS. Too bad Dawid did not test with both... 2.) If the game supports both XeSS and FSR, choose XeSS for more graphics fidelity, or FSR for more FPS (in reality, you should test game by game, but that is a very good rule of thumb). 3.) XeSS 1.3 can be easily be inserted into games that support older versions, usefull to get better performance, or to try make the game work if it does not do in your particular setup (for example, in shadow of the tomb raider, neither FSR of XeSS work in default conf, i'll try swapping XeSS shortly, as nVidia's Driver level upscaling messes with the HUD) 4.) nVidia has driver level Upscaling with an algorithm similar (but not exactly equal) to FSR1. Very useful for games that do not support upscaling, but be warned that it will upscale the HUD, which is not ideal, and, evidently, does not have access to motion vector info. The ideal used card would be either a RTX20x0 card (to get access to DLSS) or an AMD one that has TRUE DP4a (some AMD cards emulate DP4a by doing two passes with 16 bit ints/FPs instead of one pass with 8bit ints/FPs, that TANKS performance). Use Intel used cards at your own peril. If you are a content creator (not a gamer) is the best card you can wish for. In used card land, given equal prices: a.) First prioritize the ammount of Memory, to squeeze the maximum life out of your card, games are getting more demanding in the memory department on release, as they are un-optimized for PC, unless you are willing to wait a few months, maybe a year, for patches... Also, if you are doing AI inference or model optimization on the GPU, the more memory the better b.) Then prioritize "newness" to maximize the chances of more driver support. c.) Then, everthing else (media codecs, brand loyalty, rgb, power connector, other features, etc)
I sold someone my 2080 super for 250 bucks Canadian on facebook marketplace and I hope they are happy with it, it ran perfectly fine for me for the last 5 years and there was no issues with it. I paid over 1000 cad when I bought it. Never heard back from the person so I'm sure they were pretty happy.
1080 Ti was and still is a monster of a GPU, but getting a used RTX 2000 series can be very affordable and with the tensor cores you can benefit by using other Frame Generation mods. Even a RTX 2070 Super can be purchased for a Ti price from what I'm seeing and it's good without, but even better with Frame Generation mods by quite a bit. I would say it's my favorite and recommended budget GPU as of now. Great video Dawid!
Still using my 1080 Ti to this day. I bought a lightly used one (with the MSI Gaming X cooler) for around $500 back in 2019, and it is still holding up pretty well today, even at 4K. But it is definitely starting to show its age now. Still, it was way ahead of its time when it launched. Sort of like the 4090 of 2017. An absolute Gigachad of a graphics card. Definitely worth getting if you just need a capable older flagship - It is comparable to the RTX 4060 and RX 6700 XT in general performance terms, especially in memory sensitive titles. It is notable that the 1080 Ti will draw more power, but if you have the power supply to feed it, it should not be a problem.
I'm still using that same EVGA 1080ti in my daily driver. It has shown no signs of being tired and still plays all of my games. The performance bump I'd get from upgrading to a card that is better without sacrificing VRAM isn't worth the price I'd have to spend on it.
Right when the 40 series launched i looked on the 2nd hand market for 30 series that were being sold. I found a 3090 aorus xtreme for some 600€, 2 months used and still under warranty, I'll be keeping this for a long while
@DawidDoesTechStuff thank you for all of your videos and comparisons. You really do a great job and make things really simple to understand. Keep up the great work.
I got a used MSI 12gb 3080 for £600 off Ebay. It was in very good condition, it came with it's box and mounting bracket. I'm just wondering if that was an ok price for used one.
It's wild to see used 1080ti EVGA cards that actually work. It was the biggest sour point I had with EVGA. 1080ti SCII and never got one that worked for more than a month. It was nuts with 5 RMAs. I have a 3080 now, and never had an issue, but every time my 1080ti failed, I had to go back to an HD7950. At the time, not the end of the world, could still play games. Now? I wish my 1080ti could have been my old reliable replacing the HD7950. Now it has to be the stop gap 3050 8gb from EVGA that I got to replace the consistent failure I got. Objectively, the 1080ti is in another class from the 3050 8gb even. I spent $760 on the 1080ti new, while it was most recent. Spent $400 on a 3050 8gb. The times were really bad for video cards, and I can't say they got better after the crypto mining spike that made 3050s so high.
Ive had mine 1080ti since launch day, I waited in line for the store to open- Its never had a issue. Its now a back up that I wouldnt hesitate to use if the 3080ti bites the dust -
I think I'd have an easier time finding affordable weapons-grade plutonium than an affordable used 1080 where I live. What few I've found are almost as expensive as a 4080.
I still use a 1080ti on my travel PC, I use a 4090 on my main rig. Both at 1440p. Surprisingly I don't feel like I'm losing that much going to the 1080ti, especially with xess/fsr being on newer games. There hasn't been a game yet that I've played that wasn't also playable on my 1080ti. Truly the goat.
Really wish they came out with a desktop version of the RTX 4050. Considering the laptop 4050 is on par with a desktop 3060?? Imagine a desktop 4050, that could be like the new 3060 TI or 3060 SUPER equivalent. AMD still is the king of low end modern gpu's tho, but yeah. With nvidia, the 4050 is a beast.
@niebuhr617 You might not want to use just Time Spy like an amateur. Across a large number of benchmarks, the 4050 mobile is a dead heat with a 1070 desktop.
I finally retired my trusty old 1080Ti setup this past year with a 4090 system. The 1080Ti was still going strong but showing its age in newer games at 4K resolution
Both me and my wife have a 1080TI in our systems that I picked up for about 200 euro's a pop a little over a year ago. These beasts do draw some power, so we both an RM 650 PSU. These systems have served us very well though.
I bought a USED Asus dual-boot RTX-3060Ti 8Gb over TWO years ago set at "performance mode" at $300US when the GPU market was crazy and it's STILL very playable at 1080P with all Triple A games with no issues. Paired with a Ryzen 7 5700X CPU (air cooled) with 32Gb of 3400Ghz Ram and a slight over-clock on the CPU done in the BIOS. The power-draw on the RTX-3060Ti (tweaked) is nowhere near the 1080Ti and always runs below 75C all the time. The 3050 LACKS so many cores and bus width compared to a 3060Ti. I'm NOT a heavy gamer so, I'm good for now...
Great video! These days the used market is definitely where its at value wise. If you are patient and keep your eyes open there are some outrageous deals to be found. I just picked up an EVGA 2080 TI for $200 usd. This card trades blows with a 3070 and has 3 more gigs of ram. About a month ago I was able to pick up a Vega 56 for $35 usd also on marketplace. With FSR and DLSS these older cards are still very viable.
I have the GTX-1080ti 11GB GPU on a Z390 motherboard with the Core i9-9900KF and 32GB of DDR4 3200 RAM and this system smokes almost every game in 1080 and many in 1440p on high settings. If you are going to use older tech then "match" your components to those of the same generation or maybe one gen newer. This system is stable, quiet and reliable because the components are "tried and true" and proven over time to be excellent. There is no need for me to upgrade right now because this configuration is capable of really good performance and that's priceless...and yes, all the pieces of this system were sourced used off EBay. Would the RTX 2080ti be a better GPU in this system...maybe, but the prices on those cards right now are still pretty high. I could probably get maybe $175 for the 1080ti and offset the cost of the 2080ti but it's not something I really need.
My main PC has a 9900K with a RX6700XT but i have a second system in my spare room with a 10400f and a 1080ti and i actually love my 1080ti more what a card... Thank for the video Dawid
You can currently get a TITAN XP card for less than the 1080ti which outperforms it by a little bit. And considering it was around $1,200 when it released and now it's around $200 is wild.
I bought an RTX 2080 on ebay 2 weeks ago for $165 US. Took me about a week of watching prices to find one at that price. You just have to find the right card because some cards are priced based on reputation not actual performance. So there are over priced and under priced cards out there.
A few months ago, I got a 2080super for $200. It's been in my wife's rig and that thing runs like a champ
im looking at a 2080 ti, lowest iv seen here in the UK is £250 and thats $318.76 lol so i think you got a good deal.
True. Used rx 6600 is scarce as hell in my area, and if you ever found one, its basically got the same price as the new one, minus the warranty but extra dust and man-juices
On the contrary, rx6600xt is flooding the used market, I think I saw one as low as $166
This is a good post - people overpay for the old popular cards and they don't actually consider raster in general. RTX 3060 Ti is a wonderful value card and is easy on power relatively speaking so it fits well into older or more space confined builds.
I got a 2080 for free😊
I wish we could have 2GB edition of RTX 3050 it's sad that Nvidia didn't make it
RTX 3030
Nahhh not the rt 3010
dont give them ideas
@@migongaming rtx diddy diddy
@@yasaldesilva Thiddy thiddy
How is it Costco has to recall butter that doesn't say "contains milk" on the front of the packaging, but Nvidia can call something RTX3050 that is 100% inside and out different from the original RTX3050 and that's okay..? Why aren't they being sued into oblivion for misleading marketing fraud? This seems horrifically illegal and yet they do it rampantly
@Imjeezus They are being sued, class actions are just heating up. Mandatory recalls are sadly limited to health & safety.
Yeah it's wild. They are so naughty.
Just call it a 2650/60 and everyone sees them as a hero. It’s weird how they forgot all about the 1650/60.
Because we keep electing politicians instead of nerds.
How else are Americans to know that butter contains milk? Or that peanut butter may contain nuts.
Still very impressive that the 3050 didn’t need supplemental power, really shows how far we’ve come in efficiency
Pascal was the breakthrough in efficiency. I remember swapping out my GTX770 2GB with a GTX1060 6GB purely because 2GB of VRAM made the 770 fall off a cliff when it got 3 years past release, utterly shit card. The 1060 gave me double the frames at 1080P than the 770 gave at 720P with lower settings (VRAM restriction) and drew less than half the watts. My 600 watt PSU went from having about 8.33% headroom (50 watts) to having about 30% headroom (180 watts) instantly. RTX20 series was more efficient core for core again and I suspect RTX60 series will see another big efficiency bump, going forward. As opposed to just giving people less silicon like as has happened in RTX40 cards.
That used to be the standard.
Yeah it's cool to see and does give it a bunch of interesting use cases.
@@ffwastit used to be, yes. That's a long time ago, and graphics from back then don't even come close to being comparable.
@@darthwiizius Each generation after Pascal has also been more efficient that the previous, Pascal wasn't some kind of magic, it was a node shrink. Turing is more efficient per watt than Pascal and Ampere was a little better than Turing. And finally with a big node shrink, Ada is wayyy more efficient. No magic, just normal progress.
Dawid, we ALL know the best GPU of all time is the GT 710
GT 610 is much much better🤣
There is an even better one, the G 100
Right after GT 710 is the ryzen 4060
GT 705 is much better as it offers the elusive SPF ( seconds per frame ) techonology.
i have one here and it is so bad that i cant even install linux, because the nvidia driver is so old it doesnt work
this post only works as display adapter on windows, for now
I just got a 1080ti for 90usd, pretty stocked. definitely still capable in 2024. GOAT
1080ti with the frame gen software on steam = 4080
@@williamlaprarie3007 thats a stretch its pretty much almost 4060 with frame gen
Things prob on its last legs
When nvidia "retires driver support" these will be like $100, not like it'll change anything because the drivers probably have barely changed in the past 4 years
With the amount of Pascal cards (not to mention laptops) out in the wild there will be new drivers made by the modders within a second after the last Nvidia driver drops. Probably be better too, as they have no vested interest in selling new cards.
i will buy a evga card specifically to have an evga card from peak nvidia
@@captainslow_037 if you want peak you should look at the 2060 KO
@@darthwiiziusTrue, but most don't dabble with modded drivers.
@@darthwiizius And then game developers will have hard requirements on driver versions.
I buy 6700 XT and 3070 for $200-225 USD used on a regular basis. Would not recommend a 1080 TI at that price.
I think those prices may be in CAD.
@tidjane2001 No, he shows the CAD prices in the video, which are higher than $200-225 USD of course.
No shit right? I'm kind of wondering if this was because the 1080 TI is more attention grabbing,? It's just like.. why would you you go for the thing that is the minimum cutoff for a lot of tech that developers are definitely not going to code alternatives for, just for the PC.. and are going to use it, whether it makes an actual visual difference or not to the performance it costs..
Of which, the machine learning anti aliasing genuinely does make a difference given the way modern games rely on things that need temporal stabilization in order to appear on the screen as some resemblance of what they're supposed to be.. and and with the MLA a, now you can have that in motion lol sometimes.. depending on the hidden settings and video won't let you put in the menu.
Is he though, is he comparing FSR to something like a machine learning image reconstruction technique? Cuz.. they really don't compare if your your video game.. as in video as in motion picture.. is in movement.. and sometimes not even then depending on the way occlusion is handled, usually, mysteriously and entirely the engine defaults from epic, or if lucky, the bad practices proposed by epic.. meaning you're lucky if they even hadn't an idea about what the box was to check or uncheck or not check or if it was there at all in modern development.
I really like dawid, But this video is premise feels like it's getting confused by picking the flashiest potential example and then kneecapping the p potential of the actual premise cuz that flashy example is not a good one especially by comparison to many many others. And it's all just add a little blurb at the end.. and yeah you know what if this was two years ago or so I feel like it would have a little bit more weight because of things like mesh shaders not being pushed out the gospel wagon of epic to console developers.. which are going to be coming more common. But honestly the machine learning aspect is been.. Just it's performance in motion alone solving so many problems that had plagued the modern industry, like I'm not even talking about the upscaling nonsense.. I'm talking about not having the entire game be a blurry mess of pixelation when doing anything of video game might do outside of a screenshot.
@JackWse Dawid is one of my favorite techtubers, so I mean no offense in saying it's not a recommendation. I highly recommend the 1080 TI for collectors, at around $150 USD. It's just not a pick for someone in need of a budget used card, especially at that wattage.
No, stay on fleabay. Ignore the list prices, make offers for the prices I mentioned. Be picky, don't settle for any sketchy listings, or dirty cards. Even if they don't have Make Offer, send them one via message. Most sellers will take these offers, ignore the ones that call you a low-baller. This is the going rate, most sellers are over pricing the listings, looking for suckers, or are flippers. I'm a system builder, and get plenty for the above. It just takes more time if you only need one card, since you don't want many to accept, like I do.
WHERE IS THE INTRO DAWID!?
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Perhaps the intro is the overpriced choke-fetish pre-built PCs we bought along the way
About 6 months back I sold my RX 590 for $100 and bought an RTX 2070 Super for $200, so for $100 USD I just doubled my fps.
Where do you live?
100$ for a used RX 590 is daylight robery, you have high charisma or what?
@@franciscoriccio51 He hit that nat 20😂
I bought a used 2060 for 80 euros and a 3050 is around 250 euros here so wtf
Really! What website was it? Buying used graphics cards is a hit or miss chance. Due to me experiencing several months ago! A used gtx 1650 i bought off fb marketplace being faulty other times i bought a used graphics card for a friend of mine it did work very well! for his 11 year old acer desktop pc. But be aware that buying used second hand graphics card is a hit or miss! Not always the person selling it to you is honest about it being faulty!
I've bought used gpus for a while. I never spend over 200, and I always get a flagship, like a 2080 or 1080ti.
Holy shit dude you're a blast from the past. I remember watching your pokemon theory videos like 10 years ago.
I've never bought a new GPU, I prefer to wait a year or three when the games that are actually made for it come out and I can get decent price to performance used.
@@darthwiizius I got my 1070ti EVGA FTW2 Brand new on release for £450. Long are those days gone. but one of the best purchases ever. Was so proud of it, and was fab to see the extras you get for the premium, for certificates, posters, Bags, ect. and 5 years+ later i got a 3060 12gb for £260 few months ago new
MSI may as well of spat in the box when i opened it. Just a GPU nothing else. Not even a thank you.
@@julmdamaslefttoe3559
If I'd bought one of those in 2017 instead of my old 1060 6GB I'd still be happily using it today. When you bare in mind I swapped that out for a 2060S 4 and a half years ago that basically says a lot (I bought it at the start of the GPUpocalypse, I was after a 2070S but the shop sold it just before I got there so the 2060S was literally the last card for sale for 30 miles around me without getting scalped harder than Johnny Ringo. Still cost me 400 quid though, used retail but basically new, the factory manufacturing date was just a couple of months before I bought it). The performance of 8 chip Pascal cards was pretty damn amazing back in 2016 and 2017, Pascal must be remembered as the GOAT architecture because every card delivered massive performance bumps at way lower power consumption than Maxwell or Haswell. My 1060 is why I'll never buy another 6 chip card, damn thing was great for a couple of years running on my 4th gen i7 but the moment I upgraded to AM4 in 2019 I found it to just strangle the hell out my new system. Would not have had, still wouldn't be having, that issue with a 1070 or better 8 chip Pascal card today, 5 years on. My old GTX770 was an MSi card, aesthetically lovely classic MSi 2 fan unit but by the end I wanted to spit on it myself, card looked nice but by 2016 nothing on my screen did.
I did that for cell phones when they hit that price.
interesting timing on this video. just the other day i got my old 1080ti system out, dusted it off and set it up for a family member to use. they still go strong.
My brother is getting the leftovers from my upgrade. He is getting my older, Fractal Compact Meshify with an AM4- Z370 chipset Motherboard (1st gen Ryzen era) with a R5-5600G, 32 GB of 2666 RAM (this MotherBoard is fussy over RAM!) and a GTX 980ti. I threw in a new Crucial m.2 and 2-1/2" SSD (also has a 2TB Spinning HDD intended for a Laptop- for Media storage)
The 980ti still works pretty good, for 1080p. Too bad End of support is approaching it.
@@greenman8 Yeah by the time i had to take the 970 out of the system, because of damage (fan controller failed) which is a year and a half ago, driver bugs unique to the Maxwell series and remaining unfixed have been accumulating, not many yet but sign of things to come, for example was it Yuzu in Vulkan mode or something else, it's starting. On the Pascal series they had the same driver bug but fixed it within 4 months to half a year, but it stayed on Maxwell for one and a half years at that point.
Snope a cheap 2060Super though, makes me happy enough.
Sounds so weird to me. My GTX 1080 system is the best one I own. I've been using it with that card since 2017.
Ive got my 1080ti reference eition setting on my desk as a back up, just in case my 3080ti bites the dust.
Gddr5 'Twitter' had me Lol for real hahaha
Same hahaha
ohhh...now I get why he called it "Twitter".
hehe, yeah, the "I refuse to say X"
Bought a second hand 3050 6gb last week, couldnt be happier , low power and excellent performance at full HD; i dont get the hate this card gets.
The card doesn’t get hate, Nvidia gets hate for calling it a 3050 when it's literally not (different die)
@@Solruc_ Actually the 3050 8GB had both GA106 and GA107 versions with identical specs (core count,PCIe 4.0 lanes and staff). The reason why the 3050 8GB was cut down to PCIe 4.0x8 (vs 4.0x16 on the 3060) was that they originally planned to use the 107 die all along.
@@Solruc_ GA106 really didn't make any sense, it had 3840 cuda cores which got cut down to 2560 (full GA107 spec) for the 3050 8GB, it wasn't a yield issue they practically just wasted silicon.
The 1080ti was, and still is, an absolute powerhouse. I wish I had bought one at the time but I had to settle with a 1070 (which was still stellar for the price). It's really sad to look at the current prices to performance compared to back then. Jeez.
@@Dorraj unfortunately they will never release such an awesome card again. Now we've got like 11 different card offerings filling in every gap of the market for crazy prices.
@volvo09 if Nvidia was smart they'd spend a generation getting their name out of the mud and selling the new Gen of cards at amazing prices before slowly jacking them up again. It's a legitimate strategy!
@Dorraj why would they use it if basically everyone's already buying nvidia
@@vinylSummer well yeah, that's the problem in the first place. It's like pokemon. Everyone complains every time a new game comes out, yet it breaks sales records every time.
Listen, I'm just dreaming out loud, okay? Lol
how tf is a 1080ti still "an absolute powerhouse" when its slower than a 4060 and everyone says its shit?
Amazing timing! I had my 1080ti for many years and just 3 months ago upgraded to a 4080Super. The 1080 was a great card.
Kinda similar in my case. Had a 1070Ti for like 6 Years and upgraded a couple months ago to an 4070Ti. :)
Is used market so overpriced in North America? I'm from Poland, prices of used GPU's:
- RX 5700 XT - 160 $
- RX 6600 XT - 170 $
- RX 6700 10GB - 200 $
- RX 6700 XT 12GB - 220$
I bought a second hand RX 6700 10GB for $190 here in Sweden just last week as well.
That ain't bad
Those are the prices in USA also for used, Canada is different.
No you can get a 6700 XT for $250. This wasn't the best pic by davvid
@@drewnewby Yeah I've noticed overall it seems that the price was set in Canadian Dollars.
fun fact, the 1070ti features the same PCB as the 1080, but cut down. Overclocked a 1070ti can beat or match a 1080 (Stock no OC) and can be found for same price as a NON TI 1070. £80-100 Cracking price, 256bit bus and 8gb VRAM.
It's a great card still, but £80-100 is a bit high with what the 2060 / RX 5700 go for.
@@drewnewby i wouldn't buy a 2060, they aren't bad but they lack vram, when I used one it In some games I had to run lower settings than it was capable of just because of the vram
@tyler6602 That's a good point, I usually pick out the RX 5700 for the under $100 USD builds. At 1080p, it's not much of a difference, but newer games are getting there even with lower settings.
@@drewnewby RTX2060? No. 1070ti All way, 5700XT maybe though
@julmdamaslefttoe3559 No, £80-100 is too much for a 1070 TI, but yes for less. Not the 5700XT, it's much more, the RX 5700 for £80-100.
Is not about "buy a used graphics card" but more about "3050 is hell expensive".
You could get a 6600 for same price and better performance too.
Is Amd still that bad as it used to be several years ago? Just asking because all those bad negative experiences from people due to badly optimized drivers it have! However i know intel cards are far more worse than AMD! Just asking because i bought some several months ago a friend of mine a used rx 580 8gb it worked just very well on his 11 year old pc with lesser demandings games like football manager
Not that bad anymore. Driver issues still exist because they always will, however.
With that said, if you're in the $200 budget range and willing to buy used, a used 3060 12gb has comparable performance as well and is much younger.
@@eggtarts286i got an RTX 3050 8GB for just 65$ as a special discount from my freind who upgrades into an RX 7800 XT and i felt guilty now that many calls it a "trash card", is it a good value at 60 ish dollars thought?
Well i had nividea card , and then went to amd. I have no driver iusses ? I am using a 7900 gre.
@@Asadc1995actually amd has really good value in the middle/high tier gpu market (think 7700xt upwards for latest gen) and Intel now is a budget beast out of nowhere with the b580, similar performance and price as the 1080ti but with modern features such as raytracing and XESS (basically DLSS)
Driver support for the both of them are completely on track now and comparable to nvidia
Where i live the 2080 sometimes sells for around 220€, which can do DLSS. Same price as the RTX "3050" 6GB.
190€ in the states all day long. Less if you hunt.
Dawid, I love these type of videos from you. They are super information dense without being overwhelming, not overly long, but still extremely entertaining. Thank you!
I recently picked up an RTX 3090 from a friend for $250. I’m not going to be upgrading anytime soon. That was such a great deal for me. I’ve also got a 9800X3D coming in the mail and I’m so excited to use it.
you my man really did a bad choice if you play anything else apart from competitive shooters.
That CPU costs too much and that GPu coosts too little.
The 3090 can be driven by a 7700 non xt for normal gaming.
To feed the 9800X3D you need 4090+
The 1080ti was an amazing card in its time. Deffinetly my favourite card I've ever bought (on price to performance wise) currently on a 4090 sold my 1080ti when I upgraded to a 3080 sold the 1080ti for £180 and that was like 2/3 years ago
5:54 60 to 70fps is borderline playable. Get a ****ing grip Dawid.
60fps is literally the market standard. Consoles are struggling to even hit that these days. I'll admit that higher fps makes a big difference but acting like 60 is unplayable is just sage bait.
yea ig if you’re used to garbage then yeah
@@Crusader-yq1bf So all Console players and 90% of PC players are playing on garbage? You numpty.
@@ONLYJOKING101 I guess I should add the caveat of its "playable" but its not competitively viable.
@@Crusader-yq1bf Yes but most people aren't playing competitively. Its only the online shooters you need stupid amounts of fps. Having 200 fps ain't going to make any difference if your playing The last of us or Fallout 4.
4:16 got a wallpaper
Just replaced my 1080Ti for a 4070, and that's where it gets interesting, I was more than happy with the 1080Ti at 1080p, but at 1440p, it's starting to show its age. Still a legend of a card @1080p and has a few more years in it yet.
1080ti has a good 6 more years for 1080p gaming with amds upscaling
People still overpay on the used market for big name NV GPUs like the 1080 Ti - wouldn't recommend it unless you can get it for a hell of a bargain(good luck!). You're way, WAY more likely to easily score something like an RTX 3060 Ti for under $180 USD which absolutely *trounces* a GTX 1080 Ti.
Surprised people are still paying that for the 1080ti
I should sell mine
In no way will you find an rtx 3060 ti for 180 usd unless its listed as broken as for parts, or you have a one in a million luck. Far from typical pricing. Maybe 220-230 at the very least.
@@Boba_Fett1980 This is wildly inaccurate - I bought a Zotac 3060 Ti last december for $225 shipped off ebay in perfect condition. I bought another for $187 shipped this august. Those were both solid deals, but you can easily search ebay recently sold to confirm this.
@@Boba_Fett1980 in my country (Romania) I found the cheapest for about 220-230$ like you say, but still, is a very good performance for that price
@@volvo09 £130-150 in the UK, they're holding up thanks to TH-camrs making videos like this :P If you were looking to upgrade it's a nice easy discount on your next card.
I bought a pny 1080Ti for roughly $150 a year ago and I am currently using a MSI 2080TI that I bought for 200 about the same time. If you a willing to be patient and or compromise on brand or quality you can find some decent deals. The 1080TI I have is uses a blower style cooler which is absolute garbage, the thing would thermal throttle within 5 minutes, so I used experimented with msi afterburner to make a more aggressive fan curve and a slight undervolt when I play games now it stays about 5-10 degrees cooler than the throttle limit.
Got my RX 5600 XT for 100$, plays every game i want at 1440p, solid card.
This RTX "3050" should have been named RTX 3030
Yeah lol
RT 3030.
nah
30 class: 30W
50 class: 50-70W
60 class: 120-160W
@@lharsay The 3050 8GB is 130W
@@hyperturbotechnomike which is partially why it was so trash
3:55 I mean, what I've learned from Jacob Knowles, lobsters can be almost immortal, they don't die of old age, what kills them is if they become weak they won't shed their shells and die because they outgrow the shell, other than that, they can live hundreds of years, and become massive.
If I had one for a pet it wouldn't survive long.....It would be most loved though..
Yeah graphics cards can last a long time 😂
@@AnnaDoes lol
My current favourite super cheap used buy is the 2080 Super, have picked up a few even less than 1080Ti's which have an enduring TH-camr pricing effect (thanks Dawid :P).
2080Ti is also a good used buy since it's basically an 11GB RTX 3070. A little unreliable though, buyer beware... lots of VRAM chips means lots of opportunity for failure, they don't like sagging.
Yeah, make sure it either has second or newer gen Micron RAM or Samsung memory. 1st gen micron RAM cooks itself on all RTX20 models, if you do have 1st gen Micron then you need a moderately aggressive underclock and undervolt to be safe, and never, and I mean never, turn up the temperature limits or overclock the memory. I suspect that the reasons that DDR6 is underclocked out of the box by 1000MHz on RTX20 cards is because Nvidia was aware of the issue before launch (and it was a good way to rip off consumers buying weak arsed 30 series cards that got most of their performance uplift from memory speed, cough 3060), you'd be amazed at how fast RTX 20 cards can go once you unleash the memory, my 2060S fully clocked is faster at up to 8GB workloads than a 3060, for example, which can not be memory OC'ed by 1200MHz like my 2060S can, though 1200 is absolutely the limit and I tend to vary the card between stock, +500 MHz and +1000MHz depending on what I'm running and if I need the extra performance. An easy way to be safe is to buy "Super" cards, all the Micron RAM on those is second gen or newer.
Dawid do better with your lobster references. As someone born and raised in Maine I must say a pet lobster will outlive any electronic component
In theory, a GTX 1080Ti could keep working for over 100 years.
@ at 100 a lobster is just hitting its stride lol
@@Lovetheducks The info I found was that a Maine lobster can usually live at least 100 years, but nothing further than that. Theoretically, there is no reason a GTX 1080Ti can't function 300 years in the future, that I'm aware of. You'll have to replace the capacitors, perhaps. Idk how those more modern ones fare. But you get the idea. Lobsters are pretty cool, though. I'd love to be in my prime at age 100, rather than age 40.
The real issue with the 1080ti is that the cars are like 8 years old. I would never spend $200 on a card that old, I wouldn't even spend that on a card that's 5 years old.
I thought the prices would drop hard when people quit using them for crypto mining, but I was wrong.
MUCH MUCH much better spend than the "3050" thats actually just a 3030 or 3010 might as well be, especially for similar price. 1080 ti will still be supported for at least a few years.
I bought one last summer, and I wish I didn´t. Shortly there after it started crashing more and more to desktop when trying to game. First I thought it was the psu, but after getting a tip to do a memory check, it turns out that one or more memory chips were dead or dying.
@@Boba_Fett1980 Nah, there are other used cards that are 4 years old or less that you can get for $200
@wewillrockyou1986 not with the same performance or amount of vram as the 1080ti, in any case the regular 3050 8 GB would be a massive downgrade from the 1080ti let alone the cut down 6 gig version.
GDDR 5 'Twitter'... 😂 Nice one. 👌
still use a 1080ti in our living HTPC. setup with steam big picture and 2 controllers, its totally a console like experience.
I don't need to buy a 1080ti, I've had one since 2017 and I won't change it as long as it works. I'm old enough to understand that as long as things work there's no point in changing them, especially some hardware components that promise big changes that in any case serve no purpose except to make you throw away money every year.
@Ricek73 Sadly, since games mostly follow console cycles, a typical well spec'd PC can go 7-9 years. I have customers that want new builds every year or two, and I can upgrade every 6 months with all the parts, but I still don't.
Depends what you want. In my case i really needed Dlssr and that was only acailable on a 30 series card. I had to go for a 3050.
You sir have made my day a little brighter, confirming my purchase of the 6700xt Hell Hound years ago! Plays my main game WoW perfectly.
If Dawid says Deathmatch arena of death- I'm in.
5:57, honestly, anything over 60FPS is super playable for me. Maybe it's because most of my gaming time is in Fallout or Skyrim, where the engine literally stops working correctly above 60FPS? Also, my monitors are also only 60FPS?
emmm, why did you said two times about FSR but didn't showed any tests with it?
I ran a 1080 Ti (EVHA FTW3, of course) until January of this year. At the time of replacement, it was still running games very well. It was an amazing investment.
2:45 11 gigs of GDDR5 Twitter 😂
I'm actually glad you made this video. My laptop has a RTX 3050 and was curious what certain games performance would look like. I tend to play lower demanding games anyways but good to know if i wanna slay some demons in doom I'm good.
Man I miss the death match arena of death
I just switched from that exact card to a 7800XT.. The good old 1080ti was having a hard time, even after repasting, and DDU/reinstall.. either it was having a hard time with 3 monitors (worked fine on one), or something else in the card wasn't happy.. i loved that card.. it's now on display in my office.
The five-twitter line cracked me up lol. Language proficiency is maybe 80% of why I stopped caring for tech, and unsubbed LTT but still watch Dawid.
Thanks for the video. Can you add next time avg/0.1low frames too. Maybe helps to see how smooth the cards can handle games.
While I second this notion, isn't that the work of the CPU?
I didn’t know how much I had missed Dawid’s “thiddy” series pronunciation until I heard it again here. Legit makes me chortle. Good vid!
I'm still rocking a GTX 1070 and getting all the FPS I need in the games that I play. Sure, I can't use ray tracing, and I'll need to upgrade if I want to play a new AAA title, but I'm totally happy with my 1070 for the time being. The GTX 10 generation was absolutely OP, and nvidia hasn't given us anything as impressive since.
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Those FTW 3 1080 Ti's are kinda bulletproof! Last June I sold 4 of em that ran in quad-SLI since 2019, and 2 of em ran 2 way SLI since late 2017, pretty much non-stop. I have 4 Titan V's now in quad SLI that have been doing learn-y type work for 2 years, and one of em I absolutely beat the whizz out of since I bought it new years day of 2018. The 3 I bought used probably weren't well taken care of, but now...They get cleaned with a vac 2 or 3 times per year and re-pasted/padded as needed. About 2 and a half or 3, sometimes as long as 4 years. And they all still jam! Full tilt boogie for their entire lives! Lol! They are well built, and if you are getting them used from gamers that don't clean anything... After this long, it's probably a good bet that the unit is gonna be alright for yer interim gaming needs... The caveat here... Is that a used 3080 can be had for like 350 usd, and a Ti can probably be bargained for close to it. Depending on what ya do it might be worth it, but for many it isn't!
Nice thanks I got a 8gb 4060 for £199 UK money
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You haven't even watched the video yet 😒
That's a lot more in freedom dollars and you're going to hate that 8 GB of VRAM. If you're buying new I wouldn't consider anything below a 4060 TI. Nvidia really did everyone dirty there.
@@aidanharris1 It's honestly pretty fine for a 4060, it's a 1080P card really. I'd always go for 3060 12GB instead of course since you can then at least play with some AI stuff as well but the 4060 isn't as bad as the internet says.
Running a EVGA 1080ti right now with a Kraken G12 and a Fractal 280mm AIO attached to it. Dead quiet and temps are insane 20c idle/38c full load. I got it as a bare card from a friend, it was a former hybrid model that needed a new capacitor. Things just line up sometimes. This card just moves through everything I play. I plan on replacing it with a 3080 once they get around $200.
not the deathmatch arena of death!!!
I don't get why the 1080 was so hyped. I had the 1660 Ti and that was not nearly playable 1080p high settings, like the 2060. I fast moved on to the 3060 Ti and never regretted it
im watching this video on my gtx 1080 ti pc
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Glad you still have that 1080ti.. it would be interesting to se that 5700XT from AliExpress again ✌🏻
BIG NOTE TO ADD: one runs off of motherboard power and is much smaller, one runs off of supplemental power and is as big as high tier monolithic gpu from today
I don't think you finished the video, cause he did mention both those points.
@@cgduude At least twice.
@@cgduude I did, just made the comment for the people who don't want to watch through it 👍
@@JohnDoe-t9g Yeah sure... Downvoted.
I found this one interesting myseld, but as others have said you can get 2080's for around 200$ on ebay. I picked up a blower style 2080ti recently for 185$ and after a repaste this card was 100% worth it upgrading over my old 1080 founders edition.
GTX 1080 Ti is STILL the GOAT. The Amount of memory on the card is now-a-days a really brutal factor. No one in their right mind should buy a 6GB card if they weren't force to like in the "old office pc" scenario. Not even 8GB is ok and 12GB isn't future-prof at all. It's at 16GB and above where you want to be. AMD is doing this better than Nvidia, if you want a decent amount you have to pay through the nose. I really hope the upcoming 5000 series Nvidia cards bring some more memory for the midrange.
It's kinda "future proof" in the sense you'll be dropping settings for these older cards anyway, they're unlikely to ever need to use more than 8GB of VRAM.
Had a 980Ti SLI setup for the longest time. After watching Jensen announce the disappointing 20-series cards, decided to hop on eBay and buy a used 1080 Ti. It was faster than my dual 980 Tis at full utilization. What a BEAST! I'm convinced we'll never see again that kind of generational performance uplift without a huge price hike.
You can buy a new 3060 12GB for $260. Skip a lunch and stay current.
A 3060 isn't current, and no one should pay an extra $100 for new. I get used 3070 for $200-225 on a regular basis.
@drewnewby Thanks for missing the point. You're doing great. Lol
The comparison is with a 1080ti, Socrates.
A 3060 is still supported. That's the definition of currency. Dollar for performance, there is no comparison. Your point about getting a used one even cheaper, simply reinforces my point, despite being wholly irrelevant to it.
These were Canadian 🇨🇦 dollars not USD 🇺🇸🙂↕😉
@ghoffmann821 The point of the video is to compare a current $200 GPU to used at the same price, half wit. Again, no one should be buying a 3060 for $260 new at this point.
@@drewnewby Great. Congrats. The point of MY COMMENT, which is what you're replying to, is that buying a new 3060 makes more sense than running an 8 year old card. That's separate and different from the point of the video. Monetize missing the point, and never work another day in your life. 🤡
What an interesting video. Thanks man. My evga 1080 ti ftw died a few months ago. I'm going mount it in my room with a 3d print. Got a rx 7700xt to replace it.
Did you know that a person's legs make up roughly 30% of their body mass on average? You can totally live missing 30% of your biomass. That theoretical Matthew McConaughey would still be Matthew McConaughey just without legs. Food for thought. Definitely not food you wanted but...der ya goo
I still have a Gainward Phoenix 1080ti. I bagged it used just before the first lockdown and it saw me nicely through the pandemic.
1080Ti is still fire!
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I ended up getting a 3060ti used and in excellent condition for $220. The buyer originally got it from Microcenter.
Buy a rx6600, much better Rasterising than a 3050 or a used 1080 (TI). AND much Cheaper! And more Efficient.
But AMD bad :(
Techpowerup suggests that 1080ti beats it in raster by a margin of like 15-20%
Better that the 3050? Definitely.
Better than the 1080 Ti? No. Although not far off, but the RX 6600 only draws 100W.
Just grabbed a refurb'ed 2070 from NE for $180 delivered. I feel like that's a solid deal for upgrading an older machine.
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I'm glad you did this match up, I had the same question actually! Great vid!
Interesting Video Dawid!
I personally use a RX 6600 in my main PC and it's been great value so far for my 1080p needs.
Looking forward, I might consider buying a used card when this one eventually kicks the bucket because the increase in value vs performance has really dropped off in the past few years as it feels like spending 3-$400 (Australian) just isn't going to cut it to keep a consistent 60 frames a second, at least not without dropping a few other visual settings.
1080ti user here. I bought 2 from CeX, one was a blower style and one was a Palit 2-fan model. I sent back the blower style and have been using this Palit 1080ti ever since 😁
Don't know about Canada, but in Australia right now you can get a used RTX 3070 for the same price. The 3070 was my personal upgrade path from my 1080Ti. If this is your budget right now, nothing less than an RTX 3070 should be considered.
The 10 series continuing to be considered the GOAT of relatively recent GPUs makes me smile.
The "sweat" is normal for the 10/20 series from EVGA, it is the pads they used. I had 5 different EVGA models from those series and every one of them had that sweat everywhere when you open them up.
I also have a GTX10x0 Used GPU, alas, with only 8GB of GDDR
A few things:
1.) Aside from FSR, GTX10x0 CPUs also support Intel XeSS. Too bad Dawid did not test with both...
2.) If the game supports both XeSS and FSR, choose XeSS for more graphics fidelity, or FSR for more FPS (in reality, you should test game by game, but that is a very good rule of thumb).
3.) XeSS 1.3 can be easily be inserted into games that support older versions, usefull to get better performance, or to try make the game work if it does not do in your particular setup (for example, in shadow of the tomb raider, neither FSR of XeSS work in default conf, i'll try swapping XeSS shortly, as nVidia's Driver level upscaling messes with the HUD)
4.) nVidia has driver level Upscaling with an algorithm similar (but not exactly equal) to FSR1. Very useful for games that do not support upscaling, but be warned that it will upscale the HUD, which is not ideal, and, evidently, does not have access to motion vector info.
The ideal used card would be either a RTX20x0 card (to get access to DLSS) or an AMD one that has TRUE DP4a (some AMD cards emulate DP4a by doing two passes with 16 bit ints/FPs instead of one pass with 8bit ints/FPs, that TANKS performance). Use Intel used cards at your own peril. If you are a content creator (not a gamer) is the best card you can wish for.
In used card land, given equal prices:
a.) First prioritize the ammount of Memory, to squeeze the maximum life out of your card, games are getting more demanding in the memory department on release, as they are un-optimized for PC, unless you are willing to wait a few months, maybe a year, for patches... Also, if you are doing AI inference or model optimization on the GPU, the more memory the better
b.) Then prioritize "newness" to maximize the chances of more driver support.
c.) Then, everthing else (media codecs, brand loyalty, rgb, power connector, other features, etc)
I sold someone my 2080 super for 250 bucks Canadian on facebook marketplace and I hope they are happy with it, it ran perfectly fine for me for the last 5 years and there was no issues with it. I paid over 1000 cad when I bought it. Never heard back from the person so I'm sure they were pretty happy.
1080 Ti was and still is a monster of a GPU, but getting a used RTX 2000 series can be very affordable and with the tensor cores you can benefit by using other Frame Generation mods. Even a RTX 2070 Super can be purchased for a Ti price from what I'm seeing and it's good without, but even better with Frame Generation mods by quite a bit. I would say it's my favorite and recommended budget GPU as of now. Great video Dawid!
Still using my 1080 Ti to this day. I bought a lightly used one (with the MSI Gaming X cooler) for around $500 back in 2019, and it is still holding up pretty well today, even at 4K.
But it is definitely starting to show its age now. Still, it was way ahead of its time when it launched. Sort of like the 4090 of 2017. An absolute Gigachad of a graphics card.
Definitely worth getting if you just need a capable older flagship - It is comparable to the RTX 4060 and RX 6700 XT in general performance terms, especially in memory sensitive titles.
It is notable that the 1080 Ti will draw more power, but if you have the power supply to feed it, it should not be a problem.
I'm still using that same EVGA 1080ti in my daily driver. It has shown no signs of being tired and still plays all of my games. The performance bump I'd get from upgrading to a card that is better without sacrificing VRAM isn't worth the price I'd have to spend on it.
Right when the 40 series launched i looked on the 2nd hand market for 30 series that were being sold.
I found a 3090 aorus xtreme for some 600€, 2 months used and still under warranty, I'll be keeping this for a long while
@DawidDoesTechStuff thank you for all of your videos and comparisons. You really do a great job and make things really simple to understand. Keep up the great work.
That's the same EVGA 1080ti I had. Great card. Bought new for 700, sold on Ebay for $950 after years of use.
I got a used MSI 12gb 3080 for £600 off Ebay. It was in very good condition, it came with it's box and mounting bracket. I'm just wondering if that was an ok price for used one.
It's wild to see used 1080ti EVGA cards that actually work. It was the biggest sour point I had with EVGA. 1080ti SCII and never got one that worked for more than a month. It was nuts with 5 RMAs. I have a 3080 now, and never had an issue, but every time my 1080ti failed, I had to go back to an HD7950. At the time, not the end of the world, could still play games. Now? I wish my 1080ti could have been my old reliable replacing the HD7950. Now it has to be the stop gap 3050 8gb from EVGA that I got to replace the consistent failure I got. Objectively, the 1080ti is in another class from the 3050 8gb even. I spent $760 on the 1080ti new, while it was most recent. Spent $400 on a 3050 8gb. The times were really bad for video cards, and I can't say they got better after the crypto mining spike that made 3050s so high.
Ive had mine 1080ti since launch day, I waited in line for the store to open- Its never had a issue. Its now a back up that I wouldnt hesitate to use if the 3080ti bites the dust -
I think I'd have an easier time finding affordable weapons-grade plutonium than an affordable used 1080 where I live. What few I've found are almost as expensive as a 4080.
I still use a 1080ti on my travel PC, I use a 4090 on my main rig. Both at 1440p. Surprisingly I don't feel like I'm losing that much going to the 1080ti, especially with xess/fsr being on newer games. There hasn't been a game yet that I've played that wasn't also playable on my 1080ti. Truly the goat.
I have to say your metaphors are second to none, actual legendary status 💪👍🙏😂
Really wish they came out with a desktop version of the RTX 4050.
Considering the laptop 4050 is on par with a desktop 3060?? Imagine a desktop 4050, that could be like the new 3060 TI or 3060 SUPER equivalent.
AMD still is the king of low end modern gpu's tho, but yeah. With nvidia, the 4050 is a beast.
The 4050 mobile is on par with a desktop 1070, much slower than a 3060, which is around 40% faster.
@@drewnewby4050 mobile = 8000-9000 time spy graphics.
Gtx 1070 desktop = close to 6000.
You dont know what you're talking about
@niebuhr617 You might not want to use just Time Spy like an amateur. Across a large number of benchmarks, the 4050 mobile is a dead heat with a 1070 desktop.
I finally retired my trusty old 1080Ti setup this past year with a 4090 system. The 1080Ti was still going strong but showing its age in newer games at 4K resolution
Both me and my wife have a 1080TI in our systems that I picked up for about 200 euro's a pop a little over a year ago. These beasts do draw some power, so we both an RM 650 PSU. These systems have served us very well though.
I bought a USED Asus dual-boot RTX-3060Ti 8Gb over TWO years ago set at "performance mode" at $300US when the GPU market was crazy and it's STILL very playable at 1080P with all Triple A games with no issues. Paired with a Ryzen 7 5700X CPU (air cooled) with 32Gb of 3400Ghz Ram and a slight over-clock on the CPU done in the BIOS. The power-draw on the RTX-3060Ti (tweaked) is nowhere near the 1080Ti and always runs below 75C all the time. The 3050 LACKS so many cores and bus width compared to a 3060Ti. I'm NOT a heavy gamer so, I'm good for now...
Great video! These days the used market is definitely where its at value wise. If you are patient and keep your eyes open there are some outrageous deals to be found. I just picked up an EVGA 2080 TI for $200 usd. This card trades blows with a 3070 and has 3 more gigs of ram. About a month ago I was able to pick up a Vega 56 for $35 usd also on marketplace. With FSR and DLSS these older cards are still very viable.
I bought a 3060 12gb and a 2070 super 8gb for ~$200 each last year
I have the GTX-1080ti 11GB GPU on a Z390 motherboard with the Core i9-9900KF and 32GB of DDR4 3200 RAM and this system smokes almost every game in 1080 and many in 1440p on high settings. If you are going to use older tech then "match" your components to those of the same generation or maybe one gen newer. This system is stable, quiet and reliable because the components are "tried and true" and proven over time to be excellent. There is no need for me to upgrade right now because this configuration is capable of really good performance and that's priceless...and yes, all the pieces of this system were sourced used off EBay. Would the RTX 2080ti be a better GPU in this system...maybe, but the prices on those cards right now are still pretty high. I could probably get maybe $175 for the 1080ti and offset the cost of the 2080ti but it's not something I really need.
I've got that exact FTW3... it died and I am still very sad. Every so often I hook it back up with the hopes it springs back to life.
My main PC has a 9900K with a RX6700XT but i have a second system in my spare room with a 10400f and a 1080ti and i actually love my 1080ti more what a card... Thank for the video Dawid
love the use of Night Stalker at 7:23
You can currently get a TITAN XP card for less than the 1080ti which outperforms it by a little bit. And considering it was around $1,200 when it released and now it's around $200 is wild.