I see a couple small possible variables. Warmup should be done prior to initial trip, to prevent extra fuel dump during warmup. I would also do a full trip then another to compare. ( this would prevent hills from being advantageous to one trip vs the other) All In all this pedal is only changing sensitivity of pedal, which makes the only more pedal less effective in eco mode. I have pedal commander and love what it did for the truck.
I know this is an old post, but - this is not exactly correct. It is also eliminating the electronic throttle lag. Meaning its not just “pushing the pedal harder.” Its also kicking the engine on much faster. So your real-life acceleration improves, because your car starts moving forward much sooner than before. It is NOT equivalent to just “pushing down harder” - just to correct this information for people watching this video.
Would love to see a really long trip experiment using Stock vs ECO. Maybe a 300+ Mile trip. I travel 430 miles back to Texas often and while my 38 gallon tank gets me there with 50 miles left I would love to see how much more I would have with the ECO mode. Especially because on these long trips its all highway miles which is when we're the most efficient.
Yeah I definitely think I’m going to be experimenting with this even more, I was pretty surprised by the results… I’m thinking about making another comparison with a longer trip and some highway in the mix to see what happens… Thanks for watching!
Thank you for this video. The 2014 F150 XLT XTR 4X4 302 V8 we just purchased from a used car dealer has 1 of these installed on it. Found it shoved under the driver's side dash, was wondering what it was, & how it works. Just found it today, and bought the truck 8/3/23. We're averaging 16.8 +/- mpg. Previous owner of the truck was the Canadian Ministry of Transportation. I'd love to know what the used this truck for.... It also has a Heads Up Display on the dash plugged into the OBD port. HUD just shows speed and revs.
Thank you so much for putting this together mate... I too, use the Pedal Commander on my 4Runner, and had just discovered Eco mode yesterday. To be honest, like you, did not like it at all! I usually run mine on Sport +2, which I find to be my sweet spot for the truck. This video really put things into perspective. Thank you again!
I actually bought the PC specifically for ECO mode. I drive for Lyft and wanted to see if after using this for a week, if it saved me a fill up. On a busy week I fill up 2 to 3 times, so gains in MPG are very important for me. Even if it's only a few MPG more, that adds up when you're driving hundreds per week. Additionally, I actually DON'T want to throw my passengers back in their seat when I step on it. I'm hoping it just smooths out the acceleration a bit, almost as a way of keeping me in check :D so I'm not flooring it and scaring everyone in the car. Anyway, I just installed mine yesterday and haven't put a full day of driving in yet. Thanks for this test you put together. It was helpful to see and may help me be a bit more critical when it comes time to decide whether or not this was worth it and if I want to keep it.
I tested ECO vs City 2 on my roughly 150 mile commute and I must say that ECO yields higher MPG. Normally I get about 21mpg going to work in my RAM 1500. I got about 22 in City 2 and almost 24 in ECO 2. The return trip kills my MPG because it’s mostly up hill. I’d say for commuting and the fuel conscious driver, ECO mode is where it’s at!
@@NitroZ18Fishing Keep in mind this is in SoCal with some nice hills to really kill the MPG to and from. ECO really works well when I'm in the mood to go the speed limit. When i'm in the mood to get home, CIty 2 is where I stay, just so I can keep up with traffic and pass folks. It's worth a shot on a longer trip IMO.
Really enjoy your videos, always well done and very informative. What setting do you use when towing your boat? Do you use the factory tow haul mode at all? Thanks!
Thank you, I appreciate that!!...I actually don’t change it when towing the boat, so it’s usually in one of my favorites (City+2 or Sport)...but I do use tow/haul when I have the boat hooked up, it helps with the shift points for sure...hope that helps, and thanks for watching!
freeway speed (65-70) yielded higher MPG. There were a few occasions that my tundra got above 21 mpg. Most of the time it is 17-19 ish. Granted I do drive like a grandpa and mine is stock from the factory. You should try pedal commander at freeway speed to see how the truck does.
How does the PC in sport mode feel driveability wise compared to say Tow/Haul mode. Tow/Haul mode without a trailer in tow turns these trucks into a beast!
if you put tow/haul on with this it just takes it to a whole other level...haha...I usually don't just because there's no need, but you will def feel the difference!
Thank you!!...I actually installed a small single LED above that area that shines light down onto that panel...I may do a short video on it, I’ve had several people ask about it...thanks for watching!
Eco will do the same as when you accelerate slower. It will just prevent you from accelerating faster so you use less fuel WHILE accelerating. Everything else will stay the same. It all depends on how deep you put your foot down. This is a placebo product.
Question is will there be any malfunctions in the near future? Keep us updated month to month. I seen a couple bad reviews mostly good though but I think I might get this....
My 2019 tundra recently had a brake override malfunction, pre-collision system malfunction, and trailer break error. Toyota said the pedal commander caused it..they unplugged it reset something and no problem ever since...it really sucked with all those sensors going off..it slows your truck down..if u try to gas it..don't go much..my experience with it..loved it before it happened though.
I’ve been wondering if the pedal Commander was worth the purchase for my tundra. Does the sport mode make that much of a throttle difference in response? I don’t know any one personally who has a pedal commander.
I had a PC for 4 years and came to conclusion it is snake oil. From shock loading the driveline in Sport to the opposite in Eco mode, it is an expensive voltage regulator and nothing more. Want better fuel economy? Drive with a lighter foot. I wouldn't buy another one.
Thank you!...and nope, no warranty is affected, it leaves no footprint on your vehicle...you can actually remove it if you want before you take it in for any kind of service (removal/install is super easy)...they’ll never know it was even there... thanks for watching!
@@NitroZ18Fishing appreciate it thank you. The only thing that worries me is I’ve seen a few videos where codes start popping up on the dash after using this.
Yea I haven’t had anything like that happen to me, thankfully...the good thing is it’s very simple to remove if ya do have any issues...but if it’s installed properly you should be good!...let me know how ya make out!
@@NitroZ18Fishing sounds good thank you. I’ll probably order it this week and I’ll let you know how it goes. Last question, if i take it to a dealership to have it serviced I’m assuming i have to remove before i take it in so they can’t say anything?
I actually leave mine in when I take it in for the courtesy maintenance every 5k, they’ve never said anything to me about it but I know some do remove it just in case...it installs/uninstalls so easily though, it may be worth taking out so they can’t try to blame anything on it
I don’t think it does much for towing, it’s all about how responsive the pedal is…I actually turn mine down a little when towing so it’s not “jerky” at all when pulling
I have a Ford Fusion 2.0L SE Hybrid with Ecoboost. These kinds of Eco-modes work by putting a governor on the throttle, and if you have generator brakes, by more softly applying those over a longer distance so you can capture 100% of your energy. That's it! You get really mushy driving, but about 2 to 3 mpg better as long as you are ONLY using Eco up to 25 mph. Over 25 and you can really hurt your engine because of back-pressure issues and you lose all of that mpg but still have mushy driving. In fact, Ford is being sued right now for Ecoboost issues, and I feel those people were actually driving with Ecoboost on at highway speeds which damaged their systems. You only need to use it at 25 mph or less, and turn if off over that limit. And that is for neighborhood and small city driving. If you are city driving in Los Angeles where you need more hp to avoid danger or to beat the red lights, your mpg would be better served by keeping Eco off and in the case of PC, by driving it in Sport. Does that make sense to everyone?
Yes sir!...love it, I’ve come to use City mode more than anything for daily driving but I’ll kick it up to sport when I wanna have some real fun 🤣...thanks for watching!
Yes sir, I use other Bluetooth functions all the time!...Pandora, my WirelessONE EZ air compressor module, my wireless apple CarPlay, etc...no issues at all
@@NitroZ18Fishing that's good 2 know. I just took my Tacoma in for it's warranty service so I can now try to hook up my pedal commander and see how it does.
Getting the original plug off of the top of the gas pedal is not as easy as you guys on u tube make it look. I just tried and I could not budge that thing! Any suggestions?
Lol have fun. Cai on a tundra is useless. Why would you want to expose your filter to dust and elements just for more engine noise? Zero performance gains. Just a loss of mpg is all you get with cai. Now a good dual exhaust on the other hand is very beneficial to the tundra
You may need to take longer trips to do a better comparison(Maybe 30-50 round trip). I drove my 2020 to Ft bragg from west side of Columbus, ohio average of 17.1 mpg with 4 adults and 200+lbs cargo. Caveat is I've noticed with my stock 32in tires the truck is actually traveling 1-1.5 mph slower than the speedometer shows comparing it to the GPS speed and I use an app call "Waze" also to confirm actual speed. I think if I go up to 33 inch tires speedo will be correct. Here is a link with video proof when I arrived at destination th-cam.com/video/D9-tK0B-_n0/w-d-xo.html
Yes sir, I think I will be doing this test again on a longer trip with some highway included… And yeah I agree about the Speedometer… I actually have a video on the channel showing that after adding my 35 inch tires my speedometer is now almost dead on with the GPS speed reading… Crazy!
I see a couple small possible variables. Warmup should be done prior to initial trip, to prevent extra fuel dump during warmup. I would also do a full trip then another to compare. ( this would prevent hills from being advantageous to one trip vs the other)
All In all this pedal is only changing sensitivity of pedal, which makes the only more pedal less effective in eco mode. I have pedal commander and love what it did for the truck.
I know this is an old post, but - this is not exactly correct. It is also eliminating the electronic throttle lag. Meaning its not just “pushing the pedal harder.” Its also kicking the engine on much faster. So your real-life acceleration improves, because your car starts moving forward much sooner than before. It is NOT equivalent to just “pushing down harder” - just to correct this information for people watching this video.
Definitely makes it a "drivers" vehicle!!
eco mode might be good for slippery snowy commutes to not induce spinning on startups from stop signs/lights.
Yeah absolutely!… I have used it like that on a couple occasions now, works like a charm!
Would love to see a really long trip experiment using Stock vs ECO. Maybe a 300+ Mile trip. I travel 430 miles back to Texas often and while my 38 gallon tank gets me there with 50 miles left I would love to see how much more I would have with the ECO mode. Especially because on these long trips its all highway miles which is when we're the most efficient.
Yeah I definitely think I’m going to be experimenting with this even more, I was pretty surprised by the results… I’m thinking about making another comparison with a longer trip and some highway in the mix to see what happens… Thanks for watching!
Thank you for this video.
The 2014 F150 XLT XTR 4X4 302 V8 we just purchased from a used car dealer has 1 of these installed on it. Found it shoved under the driver's side dash, was wondering what it was, & how it works.
Just found it today, and bought the truck 8/3/23.
We're averaging 16.8 +/- mpg.
Previous owner of the truck was the Canadian Ministry of Transportation.
I'd love to know what the used this truck for....
It also has a Heads Up Display on the dash plugged into the OBD port.
HUD just shows speed and revs.
Man, I thought my 23' Ram 5.7 at 17.5 mpg was a gas hog, but that Tundra is something else!
Thank you so much for putting this together mate... I too, use the Pedal Commander on my 4Runner, and had just discovered Eco mode yesterday. To be honest, like you, did not like it at all! I usually run mine on Sport +2, which I find to be my sweet spot for the truck. This video really put things into perspective. Thank you again!
No prob, thanks for checking out the video!…yea, Eco mode is horrible 🤣…I never use it at all, other than this video…hahaha
Skip to 11 min eco is 13.4
I actually bought the PC specifically for ECO mode. I drive for Lyft and wanted to see if after using this for a week, if it saved me a fill up. On a busy week I fill up 2 to 3 times, so gains in MPG are very important for me. Even if it's only a few MPG more, that adds up when you're driving hundreds per week. Additionally, I actually DON'T want to throw my passengers back in their seat when I step on it. I'm hoping it just smooths out the acceleration a bit, almost as a way of keeping me in check :D so I'm not flooring it and scaring everyone in the car. Anyway, I just installed mine yesterday and haven't put a full day of driving in yet. Thanks for this test you put together. It was helpful to see and may help me be a bit more critical when it comes time to decide whether or not this was worth it and if I want to keep it.
Thanks for checking it out Nathan!…let me know how ya make out after using it for a while!
Lmk????
so did you save any gas???
Did it help any chief?
You need to do 2-3 full tanks in each mode. This isn't enough to notice anything.
I tested ECO vs City 2 on my roughly 150 mile commute and I must say that ECO yields higher MPG. Normally I get about 21mpg going to work in my RAM 1500. I got about 22 in City 2 and almost 24 in ECO 2. The return trip kills my MPG because it’s mostly up hill. I’d say for commuting and the fuel conscious driver, ECO mode is where it’s at!
That’s awesome to hear, I think I may redo this with a longer trip!...thanks for the feedback!
@@NitroZ18Fishing Keep in mind this is in SoCal with some nice hills to really kill the MPG to and from. ECO really works well when I'm in the mood to go the speed limit. When i'm in the mood to get home, CIty 2 is where I stay, just so I can keep up with traffic and pass folks. It's worth a shot on a longer trip IMO.
yea definitely!...I'm going to try it on a longer haul for sure just to see what happens!
First! 👍🏼
Honestly never used eco mode, cause I love driving in sport mode everywhere. It’s worth the investment.
Yes sir!...I honestly can’t stand Eco...hahaha...Sport or City +2 have been my favorites recently...thanks for watching!
You took a route with no traffic, the whole idea of this pedal commander is acceleration. Thus traffic would’ve made all the difference in the world.
Really enjoy your videos, always well done and very informative. What setting do you use when towing your boat? Do you use the factory tow haul mode at all? Thanks!
Thank you, I appreciate that!!...I actually don’t change it when towing the boat, so it’s usually in one of my favorites (City+2 or Sport)...but I do use tow/haul when I have the boat hooked up, it helps with the shift points for sure...hope that helps, and thanks for watching!
Okay well they say eco mode saves you roughly 20% in fuel. 20% of the stock 13mpg is 2.6. Which would mean 13.2mpg. So 13.4 is really good actually
Yea I was like 13.4 is a good pick up on a short trip
20% would be 15.6 mpg.
Think stop and go traffic gonna see your biggest difference.
Thank you for this video! Super helpful
No prob, thanks for watching!
freeway speed (65-70) yielded higher MPG. There were a few occasions that my tundra got above 21 mpg. Most of the time it is 17-19 ish. Granted I do drive like a grandpa and mine is stock from the factory. You should try pedal commander at freeway speed to see how the truck does.
Absolutely!...I may do this test again, but on a highway just to see what happens... thanks for watching!
I drive 70 miles one way to work. Just got my PC and I’m gonna test ECO Mode. Already enjoy sport!
@ Kevin nice, let us know how ya make out!
How does the PC in sport mode feel driveability wise compared to say Tow/Haul mode. Tow/Haul mode without a trailer in tow turns these trucks into a beast!
City never had enough tip in for my liking. Tried city 2 and 4. Found my liking at sport 2 with no significant mpg difference
Yea I’ve been using City +2 a lot, but Sport is probably my favorite mode for sure!
@@NitroZ18Fishing : are you doing SPORT +2 along with Tow/Haul engaged..? If so does it make it SUPER SPORT??
if you put tow/haul on with this it just takes it to a whole other level...haha...I usually don't just because there's no need, but you will def feel the difference!
Just received this but I've seen problems on TH-cam, have you had any problems with it & do you still suggest purchasing one of these
Thank you for the video
No prob, thanks for watching!!
Nice video always!! Like to know how did u install lighting on ur door handle and mirror controller.?
Thank you!!...I actually installed a small single LED above that area that shines light down onto that panel...I may do a short video on it, I’ve had several people ask about it...thanks for watching!
My favorite mode is Sport mode +4..used all the time. Thanks Video
That’s a fun setting for sure!... thanks for watching!
does it use a lot of gas?
I honestly haven’t noticed much of a difference in gas mileage with the different modes, it varies slightly but nothing mind blowing
The Eco mode is a great substitute for a “Snow” mode… ;-)
Absolutely, that's not a bad idea!
Eco will do the same as when you accelerate slower. It will just prevent you from accelerating faster so you use less fuel WHILE accelerating. Everything else will stay the same. It all depends on how deep you put your foot down. This is a placebo product.
Question is will there be any malfunctions in the near future?
Keep us updated month to month.
I seen a couple bad reviews mostly good though but I think I might get this....
Yea absolutely!...I’ll keep you guys posted if anything goes wrong for sure...so far so good!
My 2019 tundra recently had a brake override malfunction, pre-collision system malfunction, and trailer break error. Toyota said the pedal commander caused it..they unplugged it reset something and no problem ever since...it really sucked with all those sensors going off..it slows your truck down..if u try to gas it..don't go much..my experience with it..loved it before it happened though.
Just under 20,000 miles when malfunctions happened
Did anything go wrong?
I’ve been wondering if the pedal
Commander was worth the purchase for my tundra. Does the sport mode make that much of a throttle difference in response? I don’t know any one personally who has a pedal commander.
Absolutely, 💯!...I love it, makes the truck feel like a totally different vehicle!
Had almost 20,000 miles on it..
Eco vs Stock vs Sport vs check engine
I had a PC for 4 years and came to conclusion it is snake oil.
From shock loading the driveline in Sport to the opposite in Eco mode, it is an expensive voltage regulator and nothing more.
Want better fuel economy? Drive with a lighter foot.
I wouldn't buy another one.
You just press Eco, Sport mode but you didn't explain what level, did you put level 1, 2, 3 or 4?
No levels, just the Eco and Sport at “zero”
Great video, expecting mine on Monday.. does this affect any warranty?
Thank you!...and nope, no warranty is affected, it leaves no footprint on your vehicle...you can actually remove it if you want before you take it in for any kind of service (removal/install is super easy)...they’ll never know it was even there... thanks for watching!
@@NitroZ18Fishing Great!
Thanks so much, cant wait!
no prob!!
Has this caused any issues so far? I’m thinking about getting this for my 2021 Ram 1500
No sir, no issues at all!...I definitely would recommend it!
@@NitroZ18Fishing appreciate it thank you. The only thing that worries me is I’ve seen a few videos where codes start popping up on the dash after using this.
Yea I haven’t had anything like that happen to me, thankfully...the good thing is it’s very simple to remove if ya do have any issues...but if it’s installed properly you should be good!...let me know how ya make out!
@@NitroZ18Fishing sounds good thank you. I’ll probably order it this week and I’ll let you know how it goes. Last question, if i take it to a dealership to have it serviced I’m assuming i have to remove before i take it in so they can’t say anything?
I actually leave mine in when I take it in for the courtesy maintenance every 5k, they’ve never said anything to me about it but I know some do remove it just in case...it installs/uninstalls so easily though, it may be worth taking out so they can’t try to blame anything on it
They should call it "valet" mode...not eco mode.
Yea, not my favorite by any stretch of the imagination...haha
Does the pedal commander help a bit with towing ?
I don’t think it does much for towing, it’s all about how responsive the pedal is…I actually turn mine down a little when towing so it’s not “jerky” at all when pulling
Buying command
I have a Ford Fusion 2.0L SE Hybrid with Ecoboost. These kinds of Eco-modes work by putting a governor on the throttle, and if you have generator brakes, by more softly applying those over a longer distance so you can capture 100% of your energy. That's it! You get really mushy driving, but about 2 to 3 mpg better as long as you are ONLY using Eco up to 25 mph. Over 25 and you can really hurt your engine because of back-pressure issues and you lose all of that mpg but still have mushy driving. In fact, Ford is being sued right now for Ecoboost issues, and I feel those people were actually driving with Ecoboost on at highway speeds which damaged their systems. You only need to use it at 25 mph or less, and turn if off over that limit. And that is for neighborhood and small city driving. If you are city driving in Los Angeles where you need more hp to avoid danger or to beat the red lights, your mpg would be better served by keeping Eco off and in the case of PC, by driving it in Sport. Does that make sense to everyone?
thanks for the feedback, that's great info!
Still good things to say about the pedal commander? I'm getting ready to install mine soon.
Yes sir!...love it, I’ve come to use City mode more than anything for daily driving but I’ll kick it up to sport when I wanna have some real fun 🤣...thanks for watching!
@@NitroZ18Fishing I have a question for you, when your using pedal commander blue tooth r u able to use other things like spotify?
Yes sir, I use other Bluetooth functions all the time!...Pandora, my WirelessONE EZ air compressor module, my wireless apple CarPlay, etc...no issues at all
@@NitroZ18Fishing that's good 2 know. I just took my Tacoma in for it's warranty service so I can now try to hook up my pedal commander and see how it does.
Getting the original plug off of the top of the gas pedal is not as easy as you guys on u tube make it look. I just tried and I could not budge that thing! Any suggestions?
What’s you phone mount? TIA.
It’s the Scosche Magic Mount, here’s a direct link to it if it’ll help! amzn.to/3E8m1nK
Thanks for this, I now see how worthless it is spending money on this when you can put it towards cai and exhaust instead.
Hahaha…happy to help!
Lol have fun. Cai on a tundra is useless. Why would you want to expose your filter to dust and elements just for more engine noise? Zero performance gains. Just a loss of mpg is all you get with cai. Now a good dual exhaust on the other hand is very beneficial to the tundra
Pedal commander is worthless
Overly expensive also. Your foot can do the same.
You may need to take longer trips to do a better comparison(Maybe 30-50 round trip). I drove my 2020 to Ft bragg from west side of Columbus, ohio average of 17.1 mpg with 4 adults and 200+lbs cargo. Caveat is I've noticed with my stock 32in tires the truck is actually traveling 1-1.5 mph slower than the speedometer shows comparing it to the GPS speed and I use an app call "Waze" also to confirm actual speed. I think if I go up to 33 inch tires speedo will be correct. Here is a link with video proof when I arrived at destination th-cam.com/video/D9-tK0B-_n0/w-d-xo.html
Yes sir, I think I will be doing this test again on a longer trip with some highway included… And yeah I agree about the Speedometer… I actually have a video on the channel showing that after adding my 35 inch tires my speedometer is now almost dead on with the GPS speed reading… Crazy!