Pedal Commander Review - Realistic Tuner Replacement? Jay Flat Out
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Pedal Commander Review - Realistic Tuner Replacement?
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New vehicles no longer use a throttle cable, in fact, it is electronic and sends a voltage that opens the throttle body. Unfortunately, you can lose that linear feel. But no matter! Today's video features Jay Flat Out reviewing the Pedal Commander, a Pedal Commander Review has been a long time coming and I hop you enjoy!
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The haters need to be educated on how this works before they make the comments about "snake oil" or stuff like "just press the pedal faster". Throttle by wire systems used to just be a 1:1 analog signal from the pedal, and the ECU's job was to keep up with the engines demands based on input from the engine sensors. Now the pedal sends digital codes to the ECU first, but it's not 1:1 from the foot pedal - everything, including the throttle position, is controlled by the ECU.
The pedal is an electronic device is and is just one device of many that sends digital codes to the ECU that tell the engine how to respond. The ECU reads a digital code from the pedal and all other sensors and interprets how to make the engine and transmission work together to reduce emissions and provide a smooth drivable response (thanks to EPA and NHTSA). Throttle sensitivity boosters do more than just amplify the signal from the pedal, and it's done in a way that can not be mimicked by just increasing the speed in which you press the pedal - it talks to the ECU and then the ECU changes everything about how the truck responds - which means the fuel injector ramps, waste gates (boost), shift characteristics, etc. Very simply, it's a "dumb" tuner with fixed parameters, and it is not recorded as an ECU change because it's just an input to the ECU, not like a tuner that changes the ECU (which is why it can not be detected by dealers for warranty issues and it's allowed for sale in CA).
Think of it this way: your gas pedal sends signals to the ECU that mimics it's position in order of depression - 1, 2, 3 ,4, 5 and so on. It can only be in that order no matter how fast you press the pedal down, and based on that input order, the ECU will not go past a certain ramp up speed no matter how fast you push down the pedal. it will be very close to 1:1 if you press it normally; but the faster you press it down, the ramp curve slows down because the ECU is waiting for the inputs from the emissions system and trans to catch up. But that process is based in part on the digital codes coming from the pedal - in very simple laymens terms, the booster sort of changes the send the order to 1, 3, 5, 7... , or 1,5, 10, 15.. and the ECU is tricked into thinking it has to play catch up, which takes priority over the other emissions and fuel economy inputs. That's way over simplified, but the point is don't think this just increases the analog amplitude of a signal from the gas pedal, because that would obviously have no effect on an ECU controller car.
I could show how it works with with math and graphs and stuff, but i've already probably bored everyone to death with my tech dork description, so just try the device and see for yourself.
Would it work on a vehicle with a hand help programmer like superchips?
Wow! Awesome detailed explanation!
Drive a BMW diesel and anyone should be able to understand the throttle body and pedal is not 1:1, so much delay it's insane... not turbo lag. (forums say something to do with torque management?) Hoping to buy one of these soon for the ole bimmer.
Have you opened it up see what hard ware there if not i dont believe u
Last time I checked, throttle position was determined by your foot.
Liked that you took a few days before making the review. Thank you for doing that! Appreciate the solid review.
i actually bought this for my 2013 gmc sierra because I didn't like the lag between the throttle body and the pedal, and I must say it has made a huge difference. Its like driving a whole different truck and the price isn't bad at all for what you get, it has over 32 different settings for you to find the one you you like.
Thanks for the review. Very well done in an unbiased way. I just ordered mine today. I can't wait to get rid of that fall on your face pedal feeling!!!
just ordered mine today can't wait to get it installed! thanks for the review
I appreciate very much the honesty and the review thank you sir you help me make my decision!
I just hooked mine up. It has taken a dangerously under accelerating truck and made it a properly accelerating truck. I was seriously regretting my eco diesel purchase, this has changed my mind. Thanks for your awesome videos. Now off to work to save for the King's.
Ben you were not the only one. I took my truck back to the dealership twice. Just to have the mechanic look at me like I am an idiot.
Don't take your ecodiesel I. For update they will detune it if you have the first release model .my friends is totally stock but has not been to the dealer for the so called update/detune
This is the comment I been looking for.
Yeah was have been regretting my 2021 1500 ecodiesel for a year now. I need to get one of these for sure.
Thanks for the detailed review.....looking to get one soon....definitely want quicker response from truck
I love it; it works great on my Tacoma SR 4x4! Basically it controls throttle response. It doesn't add power to your engine, but allows you to access it more or less quickly by varying the strength of the electronic signal sent to the ECU. I do everything from towing a 3,500lb travel trailer in the lowest Eco mode and get as much as 15mpg, to off roading where at times I want less response because it's so bumpy you don't want "crisp" throttle respinse, or sometimes more to power thru a mud bog. I have 33" tires as opposed to the stock 29" tires that came on the truck, and factoring in the corrected mileage, I get 18mpg city with a constant 300lbs of crap in the bed, a roof rack, no front air dam, etc. It's better than a "chip" because of it's choice of 39 different settings, doesn't violate your warranty, and you're not stuck with crappy mileage because you upped your horse power with a one-dimentional performance chip. I've been running it for a year and my comments are based on actual experience. Worth the money!
Great information!! truly appreciate the time you took to share 👊🏼
Fantastic review. I was on the fence for a while until now. I'll be going for one. Thanks!
Thanks for the review! I just bought this with little research. I look forward to installing this with a cold air intake. I hope to cut some fuel consumption with these minor upgrades.
Let me know how it works out I'm on the fence about buying one or a Diablo I'm getting a horrible mileage in my lifted truck
Very informative and unbias , now with this information I will purchase the pedal commander and hopefully remove that dead pedal syndrome my truck has Cheers Mate
So did you buy the Pedal Commander and if so what is your opinion on it after a few months of use ??
I put a stealth module in mine. It completely eliminated the turbo lag. I agree, they do need a little something to adjust the factory configuration.
Thanks for the honest review!
I’m gonna get one now.
People tend to hate on these types of products because they are technically not power adders but I used to have one in my TL type S and it made and already fun car to drive even more fun by increasing the responsiveness of the throttle. You could spend 2000 dollars on intake and exhaust and get the same instant satisfaction of a mod by spending $300 on this little beauty!
Thanks!
Eventually I’ll be getting both pedal commander and the burn box, both great mods...the burn box will help me out a lot at the track. Great review man! 👍🏼 Thanks for sharing
2015 civic 1.8 n/a with the cvt. got this to top off my intake and throttle body spacer. it's the icing on the cake. it's awesome. fun
I finally installed the Pedal Commander in my 18 Ecodiesel. After a few weeks of driving around. I have a few things to say. First Fiat/Ram what the hell? The difference is night and day. There had been a few times I feared pulling out in traffic. I thought my truck was too slow in getting up to speed. Until this video, I never knew about the voltage thing. Now my truck is a really good daily driver. Thx for the video Jay. PS I bought my module through Amazon for $210
No worries man I’m glad you like it.
How is everything now, after 1 year installed? I have a 2015 Ecodiesel - deleted EGR, cats, res, DEF, after market air intake, Green Diesel ECM - and I had it in +2 and everything was great until I was working in -40degC on night shift and left it idling all night; I started getting a Service Electronic Throttle code which completely disabled the electronic throttle. I luckily had a OBD2 code reader and cleared the code and discovered that not allowing the truck to idle for 8-12 hrs prevented the issue. It still happens sometimes if cruising in neighborhoods at idle for 10+ minutes. I haven't removed the booster, just changed it to stock settings and it hasn't caused issues since.
@@forcealpine87 I haven't had any issues with it.
Good video.....been using pedal commander for over a year...money well spent. I put it to stock for my wife when she drives and can't imagine driving without it now. I have exhaust and a cold air intake to go along with pedal commander and runs like a Hemi should ......truck just wants to go fast.
One of the best reviews I have seen. Great job, I will be buying one soon.
Thanks buddy
It makes it quicker, not faster. And yes it does exactly what it was intended for.
ray caraway it’s a Cummins
It eliminates the lag in throttle response so it feels faster. Does not add any hp
@@EliteStricker he didn’t say it adds horsepower
Facts
Quick is fast
thanks for this video. just put one in my 4runner, so far so good.
My next xmas gift awesome thanks. Gonna get the blackhawk cold air intake as well for my Hemi. Thanks for the heads up awesome informative vid
Awesome dude!! I have a Tundra I can’t wait to install this pedal commander 😃😃
I drove from Atlanta Georgia to St. Louis Missouri in my 2019 challenger r/t. I had the pedal on eco mode. I got 30mpg on the trip. I did get on it some too.
The eco mode on the pedal commander only delays the throttle response time while accelerating from a dead stop because that is when you burn or waste the most amount of fuel. Cruising on the highway it doesn't do anything, you could have had it in sport +4 the entire trip and still averaged 30 mpg. Eco mode is not doing something magical inside the engine to give you better fuel mileage it just slows the response of the throttle opening. My girlfriends 2015 Hyundai Tucson has Eco mode and the lag or delay from the pedal acceleration is so god awful in Eco mode we keep it off. My 1984 Dodge Power Ram has a 1:1 throttle response because it is a physical cable opening up the throttle and let me tell you the difference it makes when you mash your foot down is insane
Gracias Jay, Ram, oh yeah, and the pinche time you took to make your review was dam good, cause of your real time and action taken I'm ordering mine now and DON'T TELL MY WIFE! THANKS AGAIN JAY!
A well deserved thumbs up! Thanks for sharing, loved the video.
Wouldn't drive a Ram without one now. The adjustability also is great depending on road conditions.
Thank you, nice video, I want to find out more about all of it`s options before i go for it if i do, thank you again.
Great vid! Actual times to show people that it does make the truck faster. Sport plus - plus 4 is absolutely insane. Love it!
It’s a great little add on
Doesn't make it faster. It makes it accelerate quicker. In a sense it redistributes the power you already have to be able to accelerate quicker. No horsepower added with this.
@@pheonixsunnz948 accelerating quicker = truck moving faster
Got this for my 2018 ford focus after adding CAI. It finally accelerates how i want it to.
I loved pedal commander on my ram 1500.. it's crazy wooooooooo
I love it I run mine with a Diablo tuner and I have a full flowmaster 40 series headers back system plus k&n cold air intake bad ass..
Why did you add the commander when you can boost throttle response with the tuner? Just curious
I just ordered one yesterday for my 2019 Silverado with 8,000 miles on it
I have one in my 13 ram hemi and found city+4 works best for my daily driver. I have never got any codes thrown so its pretty good for what it is
Is it the same commander. For Diesel and gas? I also have a 2018 hemi I think I might have ordered the wrong one
I am grateful to have come across your review. My car which has a 2.0 i4, still has lag (even after doing a performance mod). What annoys me is when the rpm’s kick in over 2000 due to hill assist. If this makes for a more linear power flow, my decision is much easier.
It's really for from the stop light in small turbo engines with a lot of TURBO lag until RPMs get up ...
thanks for the review. Very helpful
Dope video brother I appreciate it just a quick question how is it holding up since you put it on any codes? And how much does it cost?
Jay flatout let me tell you everything you said about gas mileage better experience is all TRUTH i made a few videos saying the same thing my mpg was shit now its more reasonable this Pedal Commander is the way to go
I set up in city+1 in daily driving. And yes the response is much better. Soon Im going to drive from PA to Florida and I want set up sport +1. My best millage driving daily is 15.6, but mostly 14.7 daily driving to work. Is like $40 weekly not bad for me.
You’ve inspired me to start a TH-cam with my cummins I’m going to go full out Carli suspension!
+david flores that’s what I’m talking about man!
I'm happy with my GDE tune, made a big difference and 2+ mpg.
What did you do to get 2 mpg and what's your vehicle? Im looking to get at least 2mpg out of my Rebel 2020. Thanks in advance
Thanks for an honest review.
I have a Hemi Ram with an edge tune, K&N CAI, BBK shorty headers, flowmaster outlaw super 10 exhaust, Shift kit, line booster, and 355 gears with the pedal commander. I no longer use the pedal commander. It makes the truck TOO fast as far as throttle response. Literally it works as advertised and I am fully satisfied with it, but I need to not replace tires every 30000 miles. The plus 4 sport option makes the truck seem like a beast. 0-10% throttle input equals 0-100% normal throttle input. Very great for reaction times and off the line acceleration. Whenever I let someone drive the truck, I put the pedal commander to sport+ and +4
Everyone says its the fastest most powerful vehicle they have ever driven
Might have to look into one for my truck! After switching to a ram 2500 hemi I notice it has way more pedal lag than I like
Great review thanks for the info
Excellent video it helped me thank you for doing it
thank you for the tips and info👍
This will probably be a great add on for us guys who live in Cali. I know this isn't a tuner, but getting any type of tuner in Cali is almost impossible because of emissions. If you have to get the tuner updated that is even a pain because the companies cannot legally ship it to Cali. Not to mention if your truck is newer you don't want to risk voiding your warranty.
Jay Flat out....enjoyed your Video. I own a 2004 Nissan 350zr...so I guess, what the Pedal Commander do is to "Amplify" the signal from the Pedal to the ECU. Therefore we are given 10% acceleration, the computer will apply 50% more via mapping configurations. I most certainly will be purchasing one myself. Thanks to your video...."Enjoy your Freedom and the Ride"
Very good review, good stuff. Thank you.
Wooooooo pedal Comander is something crazy. I loved it in my ram 1500
I have a toyota camry and people say it works, is it worth the money and would it do damage to my 2018 camry?
Do you still like the Pedal Commander since the installation?
Great review here thanks bro
Subscribed. Look forward to watch your other videos
Have it on my Ram it’s awesome
I saw another video where some guys “killed” their engine because they kept on changing in the fly from the app and the commander itself. They mentioned the transmission slipping and shifting odd with a check engine light, but after turning it off for a couple of minutes while they pumped gas (full tank) the engine light stayed on, but the issues with shifting went away. They said in the instructions it says not to change on the fly but never mentioned what the engine light was. So if this were to happen, would disconnecting it just solve the issue ?
How did it feel when you were on the highway? How did it handle out in the environment you’re in?
Have you notice a big difference when using the commander in track mode vs sport?
Thank you. I'd never heard of this. I have the Green Diesel Engineering ECU in my 2015 Ecodiesel and it eliminated lag and added engine braking (which my 2007 Jeep Grand Cherokee CRD had in spades), among other tweaks. I'm really curious now about this and how it might improve things. Aw, heck, for a day's wages, I should just get one and give it a try, lol. Edit: sold out on Amazon, d'oh!
Dead Frt West Moe's performance sells them for Jeep/Ram
The 2018 F150 has something similar already in the truck with variable drive modes. The only mode I didn't try out in my rental was the tow/haul mode but I did see similar throttle response differences between normal, ECO and sport.
Great review.
Can you use an Tuning chip along with the pedal commander
Great video thank you J
I just installed the pedal commander in my mini cooper s and WOW what a difference... it's not the same car! Regular sport mode with the car in sport also screams off the line, it pulls so hard leaving the lights now.
Just ordered one for my new durango RT, Can't wait. Glad to hear you love it!
Thing is way to big imo , I’ve tried this and the sprint booster like them both just opted for the sprint 2018 Tahoe no more lag , love these products..
Vegas? From that exact area. I went to Shadow lol. Subscribed
What do you think it would do for my lifted truck also I'm running 12 wides with 2 Inch spacers
Aka throttle controller. Does noting but tell the ecu the accelerator is pushed down more % than it really is. So, 10% stock is now more likely 15/20%. I got one as part of a stage one kit as it claimed to reduce the lag I got from putting my foot down to the car actually responding. Works well. Can be dangerous. Turn it way up and mine fries my tires.
Awesome product period, don’t believe any negative reviews.
Agreed
I'm glad it dont void the warranty that was my main concern
do you have a video on the radar detector install?
I have it for my 14' F150 Ecoboost, nice knowing you turbo lag. Especially if you have a cold air intake and dual exhaust. I like the bluetooth option, change my settings on my iphone. Just bought a 15' Camaro 1LT/RS, first thing I bought was another Pedal Commander. I love barely touching the accelerator and BOOM, I'm off! Almost forgot, if you're a veteran call them and get a GREAT discount off the price!!!
Dude I got it today with a borla cat back all i can say is 🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯
I need a CAI waiting for S&B
Get the Varraram air grabber. I have had the a snb and the VAG is better
Whats cai and s&b
Have on my 09 ram for a year now.....great product....works perfect....wouldn't want to drive truck without it on....money well spent as well as cold air intake and exhaust
Would the power commander mess up my 2018 jeep compass even though i have a k&n cold air intake? Have thoughts on buying the power commander just seen to many reviews so im wondering if i can have both on or have to remove one in order for the other to work?
Would you use the trucks sport mode on or off with this ? I do a lot if city driving, stop and go. City 1 or 2 I'm assuming.
Does this make the throttle respond any faster than stock if you mash the pedal to the carpet both before and after installing it, or does it just make your inputs more aggressive for you?
I've been recommended to check these out but I do not trust them to do anything other than pin the gas for me, which I'm capable of doing on my own.
My car still doesn't immediately accelerate when floored, and not because it can't- it's just programmed not to. It just waits. Does this change _that?_
Good review!
Just getting ready to install mine in my 2019 Laramie.
I already installed an S&B cold air intake and did a muffler delete so it sounds badass but being a lifted, heavy truck it needs a little help off the line and a little better fuel economy.
Thanks again, looking forward to using mine!
Holy crap!!!! This Pedal Commander launches my truck!!!
I have 35s and I roasted the tires in place on dry pavement!!!!
Well worth the money!!!!
19 classic or new 19 body style?
@@melspadt so the pedal commander made your tires chirp more easily compared to factory? And did it change throttle response 40-60
Jason Shin new body style Laramie
Cedric Miller it will chirp or spin the tires from the start but not in between gear changes.
I can get up to 80 miles an hour in about 6 seconds
Have you thought about a stealth performance module?
Not wanting to do a tuner at this point.
Great 👍 product and revenue jay. Nicely done
Very informative
I’ve been looking into this product but from my understanding it was made to make your peddle more quick and responsive to make it feel like more of a cable driven throttle body and reduced the lag of the electronic soo don’t really think it’s meant to be a performance mod but after seeing a 0-60 pull in a v6 definitely glad I got the hemi
It’s a diesel....
Well then I guess it is isn’t so in that chase after seeing a 0-60 pull in a eco diesel in glad I got the hemi
Dope would like to see it on a manual/stick shift
Great review
Hi Jay, where can I get one of those? I've got a 1500 eco diesel ram 2015. Does that fit on my truck? Thanks
Great video. I like the product. What's the exhaust on your truck and it is the hemi right?
stock exhaust its a diesel
mine 2015 Dodge Grand caravan has terrible throttle gas pedal delay almost a full second every Dodge Grand caravan suffers with. I actually don't want more power nor do I want a touchy gas pedal, I would love a product to help get rid of some of that delay.
Church!! Love me some LDS Church :) Good place to wrap up dude.
I was wondering u have a Banks Derringer tuner on my Ecodiesel and I was wondering if anyone has ran both a tune and the pedal commander?
Is the pedal commander available for 2019 ram 1500?
Been using now on a 2012 ram 1500 4.7. for almost 3 years. It was the best improvement i have made besides tires.. Get rid of your goodyears and get anything after that.. Then get a pedal commander. It makes a weak 4.7 feel like a sports car. Also city +2 gives me better gas mileage then the factory settings do.
Does it still work? Did it cause any problems for your Tacoma?
Yo bro I will like to know if it will fit my 2008 Honda accord??
Good video is it the same commander for Diesel and gas ?
Has anybody tried this product on a stickshift (manual) transmission? And how was it?
i do have a question though what if my car has Sport mode already?
I have the pedal commander in my 2019 challenger rt. It doesn't add horsepower but it makes it very snappy and faster response. In sport mode on the challenger and sport mode on the commander, it definitely responds very fast. I have also noticed it improved my stock muffler sound. Hope this helps.
Got 2015 ram and eco mode throws my check engine light in any setting
I know this is an older video, but can anyone tell me if it is ok to use the Pedal Commander in combination with the Range AFM disabler? I realize that they use completely different plug in ports, but I wasn’t sure if it would be “healthy “ for my truck to use both devices in combination. I hope that someone can answer my question. Thanks. Great review 👍👍