Great conversation. I’m starting a petition to get Allen to stop saying “I don’t know” cause you know exactly what you’re talking about. So many good points made in this video yall! 🙏🏽🔥🔥🔥
@churchdrop, thank you! 🙏🏾 I thank God for how He leads and guides us when we trust and obey. God’s Blessings continuously upon you and your wife and family.🙏🏾
Revival means to "make alive" so once a person is born again - we are made alive - since we had been dead in trespasses and sin etc. So if we truly got born again - how many times do we have to get revived etc., I believe we have used that term like the term church- we know it's each individual but we've made it like it's the building - hope I'm plain enough without making this a long post. 😊
Great conversation. People want to only have an "upper room" experience but the purpose of them being there was to prepare them to be sent out. People think revival is having an experience the early believers had at that one moment in time without being sent out to seek and save Jerusalem , Judea, Samaria and the uttermost parts of the earth.
Here's a question. When "the spirit moves " how many people are healed? And when people are " speaking in tounges" how many people understand in a language that the speaker doesn't speak?
To be honest, I've never really understood why or what the expectations were for having a revival. In my experience in the Black Church, it was an annual event we had where many different preachers would visit and we were expected to attend bringing our unsaved friends and family. It was usually a week. There was no real emphasis on signs and wonders. It was more like a Christian conference we were supposed to attend. Now some of uber pentacostal churches (my realatives) seemed to have it all the time wearing out their members.😅 It seemed performative to me. However in the white evangelical church, there seemed to be an unusual emphasis on revival. They talked about it and prayed for it every week. It seemed like they were trying to invoke something spiritual. I never understood exactly what they were looking for until after I left and then started researching the NAR. To be honest, i saw more people getting saved during regular services. Go figure.
The way people relate to each other in our present day, I don’t think it’s possible the Body is to Divided to accomplish much of anything, certainly not a so called Revival, we cannot even follow the first commandments of Christ
revival is at best overrated. It is a vague concept that at best is an outsourcing of the built-in function of disciples of Jesus to share our faith to solely divine acts of God. God promises and gives times of refreshing to empower the saints to live with boldness in the face of opposition. So often revival results in bad fruit as good fruit. Various heretical groups and false messiahs have emerged from revivals in the US in the past and self-styled apostles have tried to co-opt the latest localized one a few years ago for the sake of their own purposes. Personally, I’m tired of hearing repeatedly the desires of believers for “revival”. I keep hearing it for the past 15 years and there are so many vague appeals to it, but the same energy applied to living a lifestyle consistently following Christ would’ve resulted in far more faithful & rooted disciples emerging than from any one-time euphoric experience.
Great conversation. I’m starting a petition to get Allen to stop saying “I don’t know” cause you know exactly what you’re talking about. So many good points made in this video yall! 🙏🏽🔥🔥🔥
lol. 💯
EXCELLENT discussion!! Loved your guest. He expressed much wisdom. May the Lord keep you both humbled, strengthened, and in much discernment.
Blessings. @josephbachota is his channel.
Awesome bro thank you 😃
Amen.
Great episode you two are speaking the Truth
Amen!
This is so good! I had to listen again. Thank you, men of God! 🙏🏾
Blessing Sis!
@churchdrop, thank you! 🙏🏾 I thank God for how He leads and guides us when we trust and obey. God’s Blessings continuously upon you and your wife and family.🙏🏾
Revival means to "make alive" so once a person is born again - we are made alive - since we had been dead in trespasses and sin etc. So if we truly got born again - how many times do we have to get revived etc., I believe we have used that term like the term church- we know it's each individual but we've made it like it's the building - hope I'm plain enough without making this a long post. 😊
True. Adrianne over at @inchristwithadrianne makes this same point. Good thought and very true.
@@deborahwagner6427 that’s one of the very first points we bring out, you’re all over it sis 😃
@josephbachota yeah I thought I heard you mention being made alive - or something - good topic 🙂
@ yes, exactly 👍🏻
Great conversation. People want to only have an "upper room" experience but the purpose of them being there was to prepare them to be sent out. People think revival is having an experience the early believers had at that one moment in time without being sent out to seek and save Jerusalem , Judea, Samaria and the uttermost parts of the earth.
Say that bro
Great discussion my brothers! We have to talk soon Allen.
Look forward to chopping it up with you Joe.
For sure! Give me a call bro.
Here's a question. When "the spirit moves " how many people are healed? And when people are " speaking in tounges" how many people understand in a language that the speaker doesn't speak?
To be honest, I've never really understood why or what the expectations were for having a revival. In my experience in the Black Church, it was an annual event we had where many different preachers would visit and we were expected to attend bringing our unsaved friends and family. It was usually a week. There was no real emphasis on signs and wonders. It was more like a Christian conference we were supposed to attend. Now some of uber pentacostal churches (my realatives) seemed to have it all the time wearing out their members.😅 It seemed performative to me.
However in the white evangelical church, there seemed to be an unusual emphasis on revival. They talked about it and prayed for it every week. It seemed like they were trying to invoke something spiritual. I never understood exactly what they were looking for until after I left and then started researching the NAR.
To be honest, i saw more people getting saved during regular services. Go figure.
The way people relate to each other in our present day, I don’t think it’s possible the Body is to Divided to accomplish much of anything, certainly not a so called Revival, we cannot even follow the first commandments of Christ
revival is at best overrated. It is a vague concept that at best is an outsourcing of the built-in function of disciples of Jesus to share our faith to solely divine acts of God. God promises and gives times of refreshing to empower the saints to live with boldness in the face of opposition.
So often revival results in bad fruit as good fruit. Various heretical groups and false messiahs have emerged from revivals in the US in the past and self-styled apostles have tried to co-opt the latest localized one a few years ago for the sake of their own purposes.
Personally, I’m tired of hearing repeatedly the desires of believers for “revival”. I keep hearing it for the past 15 years and there are so many vague appeals to it, but the same energy applied to living a lifestyle consistently following Christ would’ve resulted in far more faithful & rooted disciples emerging than from any one-time euphoric experience.
Come on!