As someone who has been kicked out of church and had my life threatened to boot, I truly truly appreciate your channel. I, along with yourself and others, served the in the building called "church" for 20 years plus; and it took me to leave the "building" to find God, if that makes sense. I consecrated and studied on my own, and was deeply sorrowful that I was taught so many wrong things- and that most churches (especially mega churches) use God as an accessory and His Word as a lottery ticket. I won't ramble. I so appreciate you and the work you're doing. 🙌🏾🙏🏾
When a Church becomes so big that members to use their gifts in the Body, are replaced by professionals, then it is too big and should split and grow that way. Many people go to Mega Churches because they have the most members (numbers indicate correctness in their minds), they have the best programs, best music, and no obligation or real commitment to the Body. Every Christian has a gift from God that is to be used to edify that Body, but if for instance, the band are all professionals, the Music (worship pastor) is paid to run it. If someone is led by God to sing, but they are inexperienced or need work, they are intimidated to develop their gift in the Body or blocked from using that gift because professionals own that part of the Church. Once a Church becomes so big and dominated by professionals that the only non-paid positions ever offered is to sing in the choir, man the nursery, or be a greeter/usher. A small Church leaves more opportunity to use one's gifts, to develop and grow in those gifts, and to give members a purpose in the Body besides warming a bench and being a cash-cow. How can you fellowship if there are so many people that you rarely ever see the same people or have enough time to speak to the people. Besides, you are mainly there for the concert so you can get an emotional high and go home. Churches seem to believe that people will only come for what they get from it. My wife and I went to a fairly large Church (250-300) for a few services. We liked it, but they were so established that every aspect of the Church had a paid professional (pastor/minister) over it. To their credit, they actually had a team go out calling and visited my house to encourage us to join. Kudos on them! Good job! They started telling us, "Does your wife sing? We have a great choir!" "Our Men's Group has a lot of fun..." I then interrupted them and said, "I am sure that you have a lot of great things going on in the Church, but we (my wife and I) are not interested so much in what the Church can do for us, but what we can do for you and your Church. After going there, I believe that where our gifts lay, you really do not need us; you already have people taking care of these areas." They were utterly dumbfounded, they apparently never had anyone ask what they could do for their Church and not try to sell them on what the Church could do for them. The concept of participating in the Body and using spiritual gifts was foreign to them. To me, it was like the Lion's Club or the Elks competing for my membership. Is Church about the Body, or supporting the machine?
@@jeffpaton9667 I'm actually going through this right now at a upci church. I think it's time to go because my confidence in God using me in his kingdom is waning.
That music altar-call is one of the worst things ever. I thought I was saved until I got a humble and rude awakening during private bible study. It was a shocker of note 😂 I also used to be an electronic music artist. Music is a very powerful tool. When you play specific notes, a certain set of emotions can be induced. Those emotions induce another set that would not have existed had the first set not been there. This creates a very potent emotional experience, when you make music, your goal is to create a composition that has no emotional weak links. Even if your listener is not a musician, he or she will be able to tell if something is off when your track is emotionally weak. There is more to say but that is the gist of it. This is not bad, music is meant to touch us. The problem here is that it can fool someone into thinking that they got saved or it can fool someone into thinking that God’s presence is in the room. It always gets me, churches know exactly what they are doing when they use music to enhance the altar-call experience. It’s emotionally manipulative in my humble opinion. Maybe some can be saved through that method. Based on my experience, I would say it is very seldom at the very least. What you have is a technique that creates false converts every week. Ezekiel 36 verse 25-34 describes true salvation beautifully, it’s dramatic and it is super natural. It is also one of the greatest displays of God’s power.
@@xabisogxoyiya8022 💯!!! Emotional agitation and Spiritual manipulation. I’m just afraid Pastor Phillip is becoming what he didn’t want. And the count down he gave for people to raise their hand is also emotional agitation.
Great observation. I humbly share the same viewpoint regarding the emotional manipulation via music. Yet, my view will get met with heavy opposition, so I keep my thoughts to myself. Blessings to you.
This is such a much-needed conversation. I’ve been struggling to connect with church because it all seems so shallow and disconnected… from Sunday to Sunday. Pastor Phillip is a breath of fresh air for this generation… especially for the “black church.” This far in the game, I’ve found that most messages in the west lack unction… and depth. I suspect it has to do with the lack of prayer/intimacy and compromise of the leaders. There truly is a famine of the Word (Amos 8:11)… the preaching of the full counsel of scripture. Perhaps this is why God is spotlighting his messages in this season. We just need to return to the word… leaders need to prioritize prayer and the ministry of the word! It sounds like PAM has been doing that. I am so grateful for what’s happening at 28:19. And I do pray God gives him wisdom about how to equip the body unto maturity… all hands on deck. It doesn’t have to be unhealthy just because it’s big. However, they DO need to thinking more deeply about mobilizing the body and building community outside of programming. Edit: Discipleship does involve teaching. It’s just not all that there is to it, nor is the Greco-Roman oratory style of teaching the end all be all. Life on life modeling is also important. And that doesn’t primarily happen through curated programming.
Another discussion of monumental importance. And I'm with you 100%. I'm convinced that so many of the issues plaguing the body of Christ are because we fail to ask God how He sees all of these things. The rapid growth in numbers in today's western church structure is not conducive to making disciples. It's a recipe for disaster. All the while, to the natural eye, things are booming. The same with so-called "worship." God doesn't want our scripted "services" of singing and music and emotionalism when we gather. He longs for hearts engaged and being led by the Holy Spirit (not man) in high praise that wells up from within. Not on que to the next rhythm or drumbeat. We gather with lives that ARE worship to our King. He then pours Himself out to us and through us as a genuine expression one to another of His love. We are edified, built up and equipped. He is glorified and exalted in the midst of His assembly. That's His version of success.
I remember a key issue I took offense with was back when I helped at a church I was attending. That issue was the fact that they counted “salvations” as a weekly statistic. What they counted as a salvation was whoever raised their hand during the altar call and sinners prayer.
Exactly. My old church used a vase that sat in the pulpit that had white roses in it and each rose represented the number of people who were “saved” monthly. And by “saved” they raised their hand at the emotional please of the pastor. No gospel was given.
He’s preaching the word with a level of conviction and unction that is more so rare these days, especially in the “black church.” The church is growing sooo fast that I’m sure it’s hard to keep up. Let’s pray for him to stay the course and not get sucked into the machine.
Today's American church never learned how to read the Bible to make parallels. If so, the American church would see that we're today's pharisees and scribes. The way that church is conducted is very reminiscent of what pharisees "expressed" as church. The information was there, but the transformation wasn't. This is where "having a form of godliness but denying the transformation power of the gospel" becomes realized, according to scripture. God is in the transformation business, evident by history. Therefore, reading the Bible for instruction and correction yields different results than one who's reading for "traditions." Based on scripture alone, I would think that any wise "pastor" would study Moses, Jesus, and Paul to be effective shepherds, as those ministries were so pleasing to God that He monumented these ministries via scripture. The American church has to ask itself, at what percent do you actually believe in the Bible, as God loves us so much that He gave us an open book test divided into "testaments," but idolatry always destroys, according to history. The American church forgot that there's an adversary, and the human heart doesn't play fair either. How do you read the Bible, and at what percent do you believe in it? There resides our true "transformation church."
I appreciate this video. Haven’t seen the interview but I agree with the sentiment of things feeling “off” pertaining to Mitchell. I think he thinks he’s set apart from mega church/celebrity/vanity Christianity culture because of his teaching, yet in practice he’s very much in the thick of it.
A few comments. 1. Regarding the staff (i.e. professionals) helping other believers, that is something I have deep issues with. Not that I am judging the individuals as I know many are sincere and loving and want to help. My concern/issue is that this is their job. This is what they are either hired and paid to do or recruited to do as volunteers. Whereas others in the body do not cross the line into someone else's assigned area since that is not their assigned job. Maybe parking is so they focus on that, or "worship team" so they focus on their music, or setup/breakdown, etc. Also, many in the body do not have "jobs" per se so they often don't feel it is their responsibility to help in given areas (generalizing as this is not across the board) as that is another person's job. This pattern is not organic nor Spirit led and does not follow the NT model but rather the corporate model (i.e. segregation of duties). 2. I am tired of teaching and preaching and that being the main focus of "church." Well, "worship" too but that is also patterned after the world and not the NT pattern in Acts, I Cor 14, etc. This coming from one who is highly cognitive in disposition. Yet I ask, how much more doctrine or teaching do we need...especially in the west? The church in the 10-40 window including China and other underground churches often have very little/immature doctrine (which I'm not saying is good as teachers/missionaries can greatly help them) but what they lack in word they make up in deed such as loving one another, hospitality, church life, etc. FInal thoughts: If a church follows the pattern of the world and how church is done today and does not address the root, not much is going to change. Sure, the externals may look different and one may be able to point to this metric or that statistic as indicators of growth, but if you only do window cleaning, at the end of the day you only get clean windows and not a clean house.
Again as I have mentioned here before - where is the work of the Holy Spirit teaching instead of man? It is very clear in Scripture that it is the Holy Spirit that teaches us and corrects us . I mean yes the HS can work through man to do that but it is the HS that was given to us to be the ONE that is the Teacher. Totally takes man out of being front and center. Once you put God first and I mean really first everyone becomes a servant and there is no need for theatrics or main stage Christianity.
You are the first person to address this. How does the church retain members and serve the community.I was a member of a large church and we were all assigned to sheepfolds. Great idea to keep members engaged and supported beyond Sunday. I do think Anthony is a great preacher but has leaned on a script a bit when interviewing, which is why these interviews can be damming.
You bring up a valuable question. How does the church retain members and service the community … unfortunately the way we do church today we have to choose. The church becomes the primary place to serve which often times is not made up of the community.
Scripture definitely instructs us not give great recognition to gifts that are seen (comely) because being seen in a sense is a reward. But gifts that are unseen should be given recognition. We have this backwards in the church today. “For our comely parts have no need: but God hath tempered the body together, having given more abundant honour to that part which lacked:” 1 Corinthians 12:24 There were quite a few great topics raised in this pod so this is with regard to the early comment about making pastors celebrities and the center of the church.
The word “pastor” only appears one time in the Bible. It is in the middle of a list and isn’t referring to a title, but a gifting to organize and lead. The word “sermon” never once appears in the Bible. The term “one another” appears time after time in the Bible. You would think churches should model themselves after “one anothering” each other to encourage others rather than a pastor/sermon event.
Agreed. Pastoring is not a title or office it’s describes what one dies night they are. Preaching is not a biblical practice. Amen on the one-anothering. That’s the heart of biblical community. Good stuff.
Lecrae said that there's a lot of people repenting and coming to Christ that is associated with 2819. It has to do with God. That church and there pastor didn't save anyone. They weren't born again because of people. It was God.
Phillip Anthony Mitchell does not believe in eternal security, and thus is preaching a false gospel. He believes not in the Gospel of Grace, which is God’s free gift to give, not ours to earn. We are saved by simple childlike faith in Christ’s death, burial, and resurrection. Works can neither save us nor prove our salvation nor keep us saved. Acts 16:30-31, Eph. 2:8-9, Titus 3:5, Romans 4:5, John 6:47, John 3:36, John 3:16, 1 John 5:13, John 10:28-30.
@@GiftofGod289 I don’t think it’s fair to slander a brother of the faith because of a non-salvific doctrinal issue. We need to stop doing this. The Bible suggest that you CAN fall away or shipwreck your faith. You CAN put hand to the plow and draw back. Regardless of where you land doctrinally, let’s just focus on preaching Christ. Faith without works is dead and castigating others about non essentials is steeped in pride… and we all know God hates the proud. Let’s get back to majoring on the majors, preaching Christ and calling people to TRUE repentance. We will know them by their fruit.
@ eternal security is primary doctrine. It is mandatory and salvifically critical. Why? Because if you do not believe that Christ’s payment on the cross was total and complete and that you need to be co-savior with Him, mark my words: you will not enter in. Salvation from hell is a free gift of unmerited favor from the God of the universe. It cannot be earned. It cannot be proven to man. And it cannot be maintained by man. Jesus Christ, the son of the living God, is the only one that can maintain your salvation; you have no part in it only than to believe, like a child, that He is the Savior. If you believe that the Creator of more galaxies than cells in your body needs your help to save you, you fail to understand the perfection required by the King of Kings. God does not grade on a curve. If you want to work for your salvation, have at it. But know both the rule and the cost: 100% perfection is required, and the punishment for falling short, just once, is eternal hellfire. James 2:10. All of this can be avoided by putting aside your pride and trusting in Him alone. He’s got you. He doesn’t need your help.
We're supposed to use the testimonies (testaments) of the Bible to do those things that pleases God while avoiding those things that displease Him so that He can build testimony of transformation in us. Therefore, using Antioch, which was a church that pleased God to build such ministry today is BIBLICALLY INTELLIGENT. "Well done" on judgement has to be based on pleasing God via His word.
Fair point. If what you are saying is correct then very little he or we are doing is reflects Antioch. It was not a large gathering. Communion was represented by meals. The church gathered mainly in homes. There was not a single person proclaiming (preaching). There were no programs. I can go on. We have to be careful of reading our expression into scripture or making it formulaic. I believe we should pattern gatherings after what is presented in scripture. But not as acts but rhythms that overflow from fellowship with Jesus and his community. Hard to do in todays expression of “church”
@churchdropout Today's American church never learned how to read the Bible to make parallels. If so, the American church would see that we're today's pharisees and scribes. The way that church is conducted is very reminiscent of what pharisees "expressed" as church. The information was there, but the transformation wasn't. This is where "having a form of godliness but denying the transformation power of the gospel" becomes realized, according to scripture. God is in the transformation business, evident by history. Therefore, reading the Bible for instruction and correction yields different results than one who's reading for "traditions." Based on scripture alone, I would think that any wise "pastor" would study Moses, Jesus, and Paul to be effective shepherds, as those ministries were so pleasing to God that He monumented these ministries via scripture. The American church has to ask itself, at what percent do you actually believe in the Bible, as God loves us so much that He gave us an open book test divided into "testaments," but idolatry always destroys, according to history. The American church forgot that there's an adversary, and the human heart doesn't play fair either.
I understand that you have to stop and start for copyright however it is hard to understand the jest of what he is saying because we mainly hear your response and not his answers
I completely agree with this brother. The interview just felt off. He seems to me to becoming the person he said he repented from with regard to certain vanities associated with a lot of mega church preachers. I’m not saying he is not sound, but that altar call is very similar to the tv evangelist “pray the prayer” and walk down the aisle. A lot of emotional agitation and spiritual manipulation.
@ I’m not sure he has anyone around him that is steering him in the right direction. He seems to be real friendly with the Perry’s and says nothing (from what I’ve seen) about Jackie Preaching in the pulpit…but he goes hard in the paint for biblical truth. And I’m not saying Jackie cannot preach….she is more sound than a lot of men…but the word is clear…”Adam was first formed then Eve”. It’s about order, not value. Creation, not culture. But I digress…. Good video. You’re the first to mention this about Phillip and his interview….
@@Hakeem597 Truthfully, I believe he may have solid folks around him. How connected are they is a different question. Aside from that, we have to be open to the voices around us. It scares me when leaders talk a lot about God speaking to them. It almost silences outside voices. He does seem to go hard in the paint. Talented preacher for sure. But Pastoring is so much more than the pulpit as you know.
The replication of the mega church spilling out for the last umteen years to other nations is questionable. We are rarely seeing the church of the other nations flowing back to the US. Its like as long as its coming from a nation with wealth and power to me can be dangerous. I know there are churches in other nations having very different experiences with church. Some of these are heavily persecuted such as whats happening in Nigeria, India, and China and other nations. If we put these side by side i would be telling. Thats not to say church here isnt experiencing persecution. This is just a thought I had.
Greetings🙂, to answer your question... YES, IDOLATRY IS PROBLEMATIC AND SIN (so is PARTIALITY and SECTARIANISM)! I would like to kindly state an observation that I have made over time regarding churchianity/denominationalism aka the churchISH culture. I understand exactly where you're coming from about not wanting to make a comment or statement regarding things that seem to be very OFF and even WRONG happening within the body of the Christ (especially pertaining to preachers/pastors and now PREACHER CONTENT CREATORS) being displayed everywhere. If a remark, opinion/point of view, statement or even a disagreement with someone or a subject matter especially if it is of people's favorite IDOL and/or if it be deemed unfavorable, a criticism (which is actually REPROOF), or even correction then you become the devil😈, a hater, are rebuked, are slandered or worse for it. But, with all the FALSE TEACHINGS, the zealous IDOLATRY, overt SELF AGGRANDIZING (even in subtleness; the FALSE HUMILITY), VANITY, and the blatant WICKEDNESS, why shouldn't what is WRONG (according to the Scriptures📖) be made known? I do not think that there is more negativity than encouragement because we are living in a timing whereas there is so much DELUSION that FAKE/FALSE is deemed REAL/REALITY; good is called evil and evil is called good and for many people and churches there's no difference. It's the Rufus and Chaka Khan theology (Do you LOVE what You FEEL)! So, many churches are fascinated, infiltrated, and inundated with the culture/the world that the lines are NO LONGER blurred. The 2 guys you mention in this video... NOT a fan nor follower👀! Mercy, Grace & Shalom🙏🏼
I encourage believers to (as I AM!)study 2nd Timothy 2:1-15 as you study 📖 John the 10 chapter! Christ Mashiach gives us the insight of a true SHEPARD! Christ Mashiach instructed us to look for the thieving shepherd, the cowardly shepherd, the murdering shepherd, the shepherd who will not give his life, but make a lifestyle off of your life in every way! The hireling shepherd, as in this is my job and you hired me... but I work for myself! The true identifying personality of these wolves is made transparent by Christ Mashiach! The shepherds of the PLANNED-DEMIC were exposed by Elohim YAHWEH as he used the government to deem these wolves (and the sheep that followed them!)AS NON -ESSENTIALS! Christ Mashiach is the only door of entrance to salvation and the avenue of pasture and life more abundantly! These false shepherds stand before us as a doorway to their OWN church... and if you begin to spiritually mature... they will tell you that they actually OWN you along with everything on the property! 🖤🔥💯
As someone who has been kicked out of church and had my life threatened to boot, I truly truly appreciate your channel.
I, along with yourself and others, served the in the building called "church" for 20 years plus; and it took me to leave the "building" to find God, if that makes sense.
I consecrated and studied on my own, and was deeply sorrowful that I was taught so many wrong things- and that most churches (especially mega churches) use God as an accessory and His Word as a lottery ticket.
I won't ramble. I so appreciate you and the work you're doing. 🙌🏾🙏🏾
When a Church becomes so big that members to use their gifts in the Body, are replaced by professionals, then it is too big and should split and grow that way. Many people go to Mega Churches because they have the most members (numbers indicate correctness in their minds), they have the best programs, best music, and no obligation or real commitment to the Body. Every Christian has a gift from God that is to be used to edify that Body, but if for instance, the band are all professionals, the Music (worship pastor) is paid to run it. If someone is led by God to sing, but they are inexperienced or need work, they are intimidated to develop their gift in the Body or blocked from using that gift because professionals own that part of the Church. Once a Church becomes so big and dominated by professionals that the only non-paid positions ever offered is to sing in the choir, man the nursery, or be a greeter/usher.
A small Church leaves more opportunity to use one's gifts, to develop and grow in those gifts, and to give members a purpose in the Body besides warming a bench and being a cash-cow. How can you fellowship if there are so many people that you rarely ever see the same people or have enough time to speak to the people. Besides, you are mainly there for the concert so you can get an emotional high and go home.
Churches seem to believe that people will only come for what they get from it. My wife and I went to a fairly large Church (250-300) for a few services. We liked it, but they were so established that every aspect of the Church had a paid professional (pastor/minister) over it. To their credit, they actually had a team go out calling and visited my house to encourage us to join. Kudos on them! Good job! They started telling us, "Does your wife sing? We have a great choir!" "Our Men's Group has a lot of fun..." I then interrupted them and said, "I am sure that you have a lot of great things going on in the Church, but we (my wife and I) are not interested so much in what the Church can do for us, but what we can do for you and your Church. After going there, I believe that where our gifts lay, you really do not need us; you already have people taking care of these areas." They were utterly dumbfounded, they apparently never had anyone ask what they could do for their Church and not try to sell them on what the Church could do for them. The concept of participating in the Body and using spiritual gifts was foreign to them. To me, it was like the Lion's Club or the Elks competing for my membership.
Is Church about the Body, or supporting the machine?
thats a powerful statement.
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@@jeffpaton9667 I'm actually going through this right now at a upci church. I think it's time to go because my confidence in God using me in his kingdom is waning.
That music altar-call is one of the worst things ever. I thought I was saved until I got a humble and rude awakening during private bible study. It was a shocker of note 😂
I also used to be an electronic music artist. Music is a very powerful tool. When you play specific notes, a certain set of emotions can be induced. Those emotions induce another set that would not have existed had the first set not been there. This creates a very potent emotional experience, when you make music, your goal is to create a composition that has no emotional weak links. Even if your listener is not a musician, he or she will be able to tell if something is off when your track is emotionally weak. There is more to say but that is the gist of it.
This is not bad, music is meant to touch us. The problem here is that it can fool someone into thinking that they got saved or it can fool someone into thinking that God’s presence is in the room. It always gets me, churches know exactly what they are doing when they use music to enhance the altar-call experience. It’s emotionally manipulative in my humble opinion. Maybe some can be saved through that method. Based on my experience, I would say it is very seldom at the very least. What you have is a technique that creates false converts every week.
Ezekiel 36 verse 25-34 describes true salvation beautifully, it’s dramatic and it is super natural. It is also one of the greatest displays of God’s power.
@@xabisogxoyiya8022 💯!!! Emotional agitation and Spiritual manipulation. I’m just afraid Pastor Phillip is becoming what he didn’t want. And the count down he gave for people to raise their hand is also emotional agitation.
Great observation. I humbly share the same viewpoint regarding the emotional manipulation via music.
Yet, my view will get met with heavy opposition, so I keep my thoughts to myself. Blessings to you.
I dont like the altar call music either. It's a distraction. Let God do His perfect work.
This is such a much-needed conversation. I’ve been struggling to connect with church because it all seems so shallow and disconnected… from Sunday to Sunday. Pastor Phillip is a breath of fresh air for this generation… especially for the “black church.” This far in the game, I’ve found that most messages in the west lack unction… and depth. I suspect it has to do with the lack of prayer/intimacy and compromise of the leaders. There truly is a famine of the Word (Amos 8:11)… the preaching of the full counsel of scripture. Perhaps this is why God is spotlighting his messages in this season. We just need to return to the word… leaders need to prioritize prayer and the ministry of the word! It sounds like PAM has been doing that.
I am so grateful for what’s happening at 28:19. And I do pray God gives him wisdom about how to equip the body unto maturity… all hands on deck. It doesn’t have to be unhealthy just because it’s big. However, they DO need to thinking more deeply about mobilizing the body and building community outside of programming.
Edit: Discipleship does involve teaching. It’s just not all that there is to it, nor is the Greco-Roman oratory style of teaching the end all be all. Life on life modeling is also important. And that doesn’t primarily happen through curated programming.
Appreciate the honest take here.
Another discussion of monumental importance. And I'm with you 100%. I'm convinced that so many of the issues plaguing the body of Christ are because we fail to ask God how He sees all of these things. The rapid growth in numbers in today's western church structure is not conducive to making disciples. It's a recipe for disaster. All the while, to the natural eye, things are booming. The same with so-called "worship." God doesn't want our scripted "services" of singing and music and emotionalism when we gather. He longs for hearts engaged and being led by the Holy Spirit (not man) in high praise that wells up from within. Not on que to the next rhythm or drumbeat.
We gather with lives that ARE worship to our King. He then pours Himself out to us and through us as a genuine expression one to another of His love. We are edified, built up and equipped. He is glorified and exalted in the midst of His assembly. That's His version of success.
We are going to talk about rapid growth. Great points.
Excellent point 🙌🏾🔥
I remember a key issue I took offense with was back when I helped at a church I was attending. That issue was the fact that they counted “salvations” as a weekly statistic. What they counted as a salvation was whoever raised their hand during the altar call and sinners prayer.
My old church had a graph on a wall showing how the number of salvation’s increased over time😂
Wow
@@churchdropoutyou and yours are grinding. Press on, we are with you.
Exactly. My old church used a vase that sat in the pulpit that had white roses in it and each rose represented the number of people who were “saved” monthly. And by “saved” they raised their hand at the emotional please of the pastor. No gospel was given.
Bro, I noticed the same exact vanity from all his interviews/clips in the last month or so.
He’s preaching the word with a level of conviction and unction that is more so rare these days, especially in the “black church.” The church is growing sooo fast that I’m sure it’s hard to keep up. Let’s pray for him to stay the course and not get sucked into the machine.
Today's American church never learned how to read the Bible to make parallels. If so, the American church would see that we're today's pharisees and scribes. The way that church is conducted is very reminiscent of what pharisees "expressed" as church. The information was there, but the transformation wasn't. This is where "having a form of godliness but denying the transformation power of the gospel" becomes realized, according to scripture. God is in the transformation business, evident by history.
Therefore, reading the Bible for instruction and correction yields different results than one who's reading for "traditions."
Based on scripture alone, I would think that any wise "pastor" would study Moses, Jesus, and Paul to be effective shepherds, as those ministries were so pleasing to God that He monumented these ministries via scripture.
The American church has to ask itself, at what percent do you actually believe in the Bible, as God loves us so much that He gave us an open book test divided into "testaments," but idolatry always destroys, according to history. The American church forgot that there's an adversary, and the human heart doesn't play fair either.
How do you read the Bible, and at what percent do you believe in it? There resides our true "transformation church."
I appreciate this video. Haven’t seen the interview but I agree with the sentiment of things feeling “off” pertaining to Mitchell. I think he thinks he’s set apart from mega church/celebrity/vanity Christianity culture because of his teaching, yet in practice he’s very much in the thick of it.
Great point.
Truth and he is a mega church pastor sorry he might not want it but thts Wht Mitchell is
@@KeithEasley-vc1mb Agreed. He may talk differently but he moves the same way
You heard what you wanted to hear. This man has never presented himself as a celebrity pastor. Could it be you?
Could be me. I’ll take that.
A few comments. 1. Regarding the staff (i.e. professionals) helping other believers, that is something I have deep issues with. Not that I am judging the individuals as I know many are sincere and loving and want to help. My concern/issue is that this is their job. This is what they are either hired and paid to do or recruited to do as volunteers. Whereas others in the body do not cross the line into someone else's assigned area since that is not their assigned job. Maybe parking is so they focus on that, or "worship team" so they focus on their music, or setup/breakdown, etc. Also, many in the body do not have "jobs" per se so they often don't feel it is their responsibility to help in given areas (generalizing as this is not across the board) as that is another person's job. This pattern is not organic nor Spirit led and does not follow the NT model but rather the corporate model (i.e. segregation of duties). 2. I am tired of teaching and preaching and that being the main focus of "church." Well, "worship" too but that is also patterned after the world and not the NT pattern in Acts, I Cor 14, etc. This coming from one who is highly cognitive in disposition. Yet I ask, how much more doctrine or teaching do we need...especially in the west? The church in the 10-40 window including China and other underground churches often have very little/immature doctrine (which I'm not saying is good as teachers/missionaries can greatly help them) but what they lack in word they make up in deed such as loving one another, hospitality, church life, etc.
FInal thoughts: If a church follows the pattern of the world and how church is done today and does not address the root, not much is going to change. Sure, the externals may look different and one may be able to point to this metric or that statistic as indicators of growth, but if you only do window cleaning, at the end of the day you only get clean windows and not a clean house.
Amen.🙏
Again as I have mentioned here before - where is the work of the Holy Spirit teaching instead of man? It is very clear in Scripture that it is the Holy Spirit that teaches us and corrects us . I mean yes the HS can work through man to do that but it is the HS that was given to us to be the ONE that is the Teacher. Totally takes man out of being front and center. Once you put God first and I mean really first everyone becomes a servant and there is no need for theatrics or main stage Christianity.
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You are the first person to address this. How does the church retain members and serve the community.I was a member of a large church and we were all assigned to sheepfolds. Great idea to keep members engaged and supported beyond Sunday. I do think Anthony is a great preacher but has leaned on a script a bit when interviewing, which is why these interviews can be damming.
You bring up a valuable question. How does the church retain members and service the community … unfortunately the way we do church today we have to choose. The church becomes the primary place to serve which often times is not made up of the community.
Scripture definitely instructs us not give great recognition to gifts that are seen (comely) because being seen in a sense is a reward. But gifts that are unseen should be given recognition. We have this backwards in the church today.
“For our comely parts have no need: but God hath tempered the body together, having given more abundant honour to that part which lacked:”
1 Corinthians 12:24
There were quite a few great topics raised in this pod so this is with regard to the early comment about making pastors celebrities and the center of the church.
Hit me up. I’d love to hear your thoughts.
The word “pastor” only appears one time in the Bible. It is in the middle of a list and isn’t referring to a title, but a gifting to organize and lead. The word “sermon” never once appears in the Bible. The term “one another” appears time after time in the Bible. You would think churches should model themselves after “one anothering” each other to encourage others rather than a pastor/sermon event.
Agreed. Pastoring is not a title or office it’s describes what one dies night they are. Preaching is not a biblical practice. Amen on the one-anothering. That’s the heart of biblical community. Good stuff.
Lecrae said that there's a lot of people repenting and coming to Christ that is associated with 2819. It has to do with God. That church and there pastor didn't save anyone. They weren't born again because of people. It was God.
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Phillip Anthony Mitchell does not believe in eternal security, and thus is preaching a false gospel. He believes not in the Gospel of Grace, which is God’s free gift to give, not ours to earn. We are saved by simple childlike faith in Christ’s death, burial, and resurrection. Works can neither save us nor prove our salvation nor keep us saved. Acts 16:30-31, Eph. 2:8-9, Titus 3:5, Romans 4:5, John 6:47, John 3:36, John 3:16, 1 John 5:13, John 10:28-30.
@@GiftofGod289 I don’t think it’s fair to slander a brother of the faith because of a non-salvific doctrinal issue. We need to stop doing this. The Bible suggest that you CAN fall away or shipwreck your faith. You CAN put hand to the plow and draw back. Regardless of where you land doctrinally, let’s just focus on preaching Christ. Faith without works is dead and castigating others about non essentials is steeped in pride… and we all know God hates the proud. Let’s get back to majoring on the majors, preaching Christ and calling people to TRUE repentance. We will know them by their fruit.
@ eternal security is primary doctrine. It is mandatory and salvifically critical. Why?
Because if you do not believe that Christ’s payment on the cross was total and complete and that you need to be co-savior with Him, mark my words: you will not enter in.
Salvation from hell is a free gift of unmerited favor from the God of the universe. It cannot be earned. It cannot be proven to man. And it cannot be maintained by man.
Jesus Christ, the son of the living God, is the only one that can maintain your salvation; you have no part in it only than to believe, like a child, that He is the Savior.
If you believe that the Creator of more galaxies than cells in your body needs your help to save you, you fail to understand the perfection required by the King of Kings.
God does not grade on a curve. If you want to work for your salvation, have at it. But know both the rule and the cost: 100% perfection is required, and the punishment for falling short, just once, is eternal hellfire. James 2:10.
All of this can be avoided by putting aside your pride and trusting in Him alone.
He’s got you. He doesn’t need your help.
We're supposed to use the testimonies (testaments) of the Bible to do those things that pleases God while avoiding those things that displease Him so that He can build testimony of transformation in us. Therefore, using Antioch, which was a church that pleased God to build such ministry today is BIBLICALLY INTELLIGENT. "Well done" on judgement has to be based on pleasing God via His word.
Fair point. If what you are saying is correct then very little he or we are doing is reflects Antioch. It was not a large gathering. Communion was represented by meals. The church gathered mainly in homes. There was not a single person proclaiming (preaching). There were no programs. I can go on. We have to be careful of reading our expression into scripture or making it formulaic. I believe we should pattern gatherings after what is presented in scripture. But not as acts but rhythms that overflow from fellowship with Jesus and his community. Hard to do in todays expression of “church”
@churchdropout Today's American church never learned how to read the Bible to make parallels. If so, the American church would see that we're today's pharisees and scribes. The way that church is conducted is very reminiscent of what pharisees "expressed" as church. The information was there, but the transformation wasn't. This is where "having a form of godliness but denying the transformation power of the gospel" becomes realized, according to scripture. God is in the transformation business, evident by history.
Therefore, reading the Bible for instruction and correction yields different results than one who's reading for "traditions."
Based on scripture alone, I would think that any wise "pastor" would study Moses, Jesus, and Paul to be effective shepherds, as those ministries were so pleasing to God that He monumented these ministries via scripture.
The American church has to ask itself, at what percent do you actually believe in the Bible, as God loves us so much that He gave us an open book test divided into "testaments," but idolatry always destroys, according to history. The American church forgot that there's an adversary, and the human heart doesn't play fair either.
@ I don’t disagree with you here.
I understand that you have to stop and start for copyright however it is hard to understand the jest of what he is saying because we mainly hear your response and not his answers
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I completely agree with this brother. The interview just felt off. He seems to me to becoming the person he said he repented from with regard to certain vanities associated with a lot of mega church preachers. I’m not saying he is not sound, but that altar call is very similar to the tv evangelist “pray the prayer” and walk down the aisle. A lot of emotional agitation and spiritual manipulation.
Agreed. He seems like a solid guy. Just feels like he may be getting caught up in it all. Seems very performative at times.
@ I’m not sure he has anyone around him that is steering him in the right direction. He seems to be real friendly with the Perry’s and says nothing (from what I’ve seen) about Jackie Preaching in the pulpit…but he goes hard in the paint for biblical truth. And I’m not saying Jackie cannot preach….she is more sound than a lot of men…but the word is clear…”Adam was first formed then Eve”. It’s about order, not value. Creation, not culture. But I digress…. Good video. You’re the first to mention this about Phillip and his interview….
@@Hakeem597 Truthfully, I believe he may have solid folks around him. How connected are they is a different question. Aside from that, we have to be open to the voices around us. It scares me when leaders talk a lot about God speaking to them. It almost silences outside voices. He does seem to go hard in the paint. Talented preacher for sure. But Pastoring is so much more than the pulpit as you know.
The replication of the mega church spilling out for the last umteen years to other nations is questionable. We are rarely seeing the church of the other nations flowing back to the US. Its like as long as its coming from a nation with wealth and power to me can be dangerous. I know there are churches in other nations having very different experiences with church. Some of these are heavily persecuted such as whats happening in Nigeria, India, and China and other nations. If we put these side by side i would be telling. Thats not to say church here isnt experiencing persecution. This is just a thought I had.
I’ve thought of this as well. This is a good point.
Greetings🙂, to answer your question... YES, IDOLATRY IS PROBLEMATIC AND SIN (so is PARTIALITY and SECTARIANISM)! I would like to kindly state an observation that I have made over time regarding churchianity/denominationalism aka the churchISH culture. I understand exactly where you're coming from about not wanting to make a comment or statement regarding things that seem to be very OFF and even WRONG happening within the body of the Christ (especially pertaining to preachers/pastors and now PREACHER CONTENT CREATORS) being displayed everywhere. If a remark, opinion/point of view, statement or even a disagreement with someone or a subject matter especially if it is of people's favorite IDOL and/or if it be deemed unfavorable, a criticism (which is actually REPROOF), or even correction then you become the devil😈, a hater, are rebuked, are slandered or worse for it. But, with all the FALSE TEACHINGS, the zealous IDOLATRY, overt SELF AGGRANDIZING (even in subtleness; the FALSE HUMILITY), VANITY, and the blatant WICKEDNESS, why shouldn't what is WRONG (according to the Scriptures📖) be made known? I do not think that there is more negativity than encouragement because we are living in a timing whereas there is so much DELUSION that FAKE/FALSE is deemed REAL/REALITY; good is called evil and evil is called good and for many people and churches there's no difference. It's the Rufus and Chaka Khan theology (Do you LOVE what You FEEL)! So, many churches are fascinated, infiltrated, and inundated with the culture/the world that the lines are NO LONGER blurred. The 2 guys you mention in this video... NOT a fan nor follower👀!
Mercy, Grace & Shalom🙏🏼
I encourage believers to (as I AM!)study 2nd Timothy 2:1-15 as you study 📖 John the 10 chapter! Christ Mashiach gives us the insight of a true SHEPARD! Christ Mashiach instructed us to look for the thieving shepherd, the cowardly shepherd, the murdering shepherd, the shepherd who will not give his life, but make a lifestyle off of your life in every way! The hireling shepherd, as in this is my job and you hired me... but I work for myself! The true identifying personality of these wolves is made transparent by Christ Mashiach! The shepherds of the PLANNED-DEMIC were exposed by Elohim YAHWEH as he used the government to deem these wolves (and the sheep that followed them!)AS NON -ESSENTIALS! Christ Mashiach is the only door of entrance to salvation and the avenue of pasture and life more abundantly! These false shepherds stand before us as a doorway to their OWN church... and if you begin to spiritually mature... they will tell you that they actually OWN you along with everything on the property! 🖤🔥💯