All The World's Evil - An Analysis of Fate/Zero (Part 1 of 3)
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Its sad that the ones who died the happiest in this series are the two mass murdering psychopaths.
And Rider, who arguably died happier, he didn’t have any regrets when he died unlike caster.
And you realise that ryunosuke is probably in hell while caster just goes back to the throne of heroes
@@mohamedelhediissa289 l hear nasuverse has a reincarnation type of deal. When a person dies they return to the root and are remade (sort of) then go back to the world and are reborn into a new individual. I don't know how to properly explain but something like this happens at death unless you get the Shiki Tohno/Ryougi, heroic spirit, counter guardian, erased from existence and or immortality treatment.
@@thirdplanet4471 well this is the first time I hear about this and it actually makes sense
The only problem is that it's underutilized to prove tha it's right
@@mohamedelhediissa289 It is an underutilized concept for sure but the wiki says something along the lines of "heroic spirits overcome the reincarnation process and ascend to the throne of heroes" and in one of the first kara no kyoukai movies Shiki goes to the root after a near death experience. Anyway the wiki has a bit more info.
The hilarious irony is, first time I watched Fate/Zero, I was bored to tears.
Rewatched it, and now it's one of my favorite anime.
I wouldn't say it bored me to tears, but I definitely didn't enjoy it as much my first time. It's a show that literally gets better with every rewatch for me due to it's character depth, themes and emotional storytelling. That, and it's also filled with epic moments and that never gets old.
+Aleczandxr It's something I've noticed with myself lately. Sometimes when I watch an anime, first time around it's boring. Years later I try watching it, then I love it, like Bakemonogatari. I think it may have to do with not knowing what you're getting into 1st time around vs fully knowing what you're getting into 2nd time around, and being mentally prepared for that
Aleczandxr Your take on Fate/Zero honestly makes Anime Snob look like he doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about.
+Anthony Interiano From the few vids I've seen from Anime Snob, it seems as though he looks to create as much drama as possible by mocking other people for their tastes and opinions, and when critiquing anime, tries to be as negative as possible.
Anthony Interiano I don't watch ThatAnimeSnob's stuff so I don't really know his content. He's obviously welcome to his opinion but I really appreciate the compliment :)
I thought Kiritsugu wanted to be a hero that could save everyone deep down
Well, yeah. That was basically his ultimate goal.
That's what makes the ending so powerful. Kiritsugu always believed that being a hero meant that everyone can be saved. That's not the case. It's the tragic truth of life: Nothing is won without sacrifice. Everytime Kiritsugu tried to save someone, some else had to die. This is the give and take of life. It's incredibly painful to accept this truth. This show does an amazing job of illustrating his fall from grace. Awesome show!
the only thing I don't like about it is there isn't enough of it
I mean, there's the many other anime, games, light novels, etc in the Fate series...
And there also isn’t enough suffering
Bruh , do you know how big the fate series is?
@@omit4727 no still not enough I want an entire historical encyclopedia of every single summonable existence of the series
@@mustardwizard most of them suck compared to fate zero, heavens feel and unlimited blade works. But that's just my taste. A lot of people do enjoy them.
Thank you for addressing the "season 1 is pointless" argument :)
No problem! It's such an annoyance for me when I hear that complaint.
Why thank you XD
Yup. Zero isn't really so much a battle royale as it is vehicle for Gen to project his story.
I liked Season 1 as much as 2.
Oh, that was something pleasant to watch.
It's sad how the anime community gives such little attention to such an important and splendid anime.
That being said, I am glad you made a 3 part analysis on Fate/Zero as very few people have analysed the show on youtube, Digibro has an analysis for Fate/Zero but I felt that was not thorough enough.
And a show such as Fate/Zero where you can read a lot between the lines/scenes, it asks for a thorough analysis of it.
I like how you added scenes of both Japanese dub and English dub.
My favorite being the English dub, I am saddened when it isn't given any love despite being one of the best dubs that I've heard.
Looks like your channel is fairly new, I wait eagerly for more of your videos. That Guts & Griffith video was interesting!
Keep up the amazing work! Got yourself a new subscriber!
Thanks very much! Fate/Zero is seriously underrated/underviewed. It's a piece of art and a modern classic in my eyes. Definitely a show that deserves to be studied and analyzed. And I totally agree, I thought that the voices in the dub were spot on, definitely one of my favourite dubs ever.
Thanks for subbing! I've got plenty of ideas for the future so stay tuned!
I'm pretty sure Digibro mentioned in a video about the Fate series (called something like "the power of not knowing shit") that he never actually read the source material. That makes any opinions he does have very unreliable and suspect.
You've gotta read Fate/Stay Night (the visual novel), THEN read the Fate Zero prequel. The prequel is to be read by someone who already knows the gist of what happens in the 5th war, so that you can look forward to seeing the events in the 4th that had the outcomes that the 5th war dealt with.
The anime is good, but it's a very surface level shallow adaptation of a textual medium. Think of it like making a movie that's based on a book. The book version is always going to be better 999 times out of a thousand, and the movie version can only be better when it's able to find it's own identity that only shares surface similarities to the book.
+Thalanox Digibro is a salty ass, drunk ass "reviewer" who has some of the worst taste of a major anime YT lol. My guy doesn't like Ergo Proxy, or Fate UBW, but he likes K-On.... HUH? And yes his opinion is irrelevant since he won't read into the source material.
sauron saruman
You cannot quantify "worst taste," as taste is inherently subjective.
sauron saruman I would venture to guess he doesn't have 80+ hours to read it like some people (I did lol), but I don't blame him. After all, the animes are supposed to be stand alone and you can understand the beauty of it regardless. I'm not the biggest fan of digibro, I only really like his analysis works, but saying that his taste is the worst because you don't agree with it doesn't help your argument. Also, K-ON is not my favourite anime, but it's in my opinion one of the best slice of life anime ever created, you would know that if you actually watch the show. I'm not saying you have to agree but have an open mind.
"Everytime he feels happy
He feels pain" ouch that kinda struck a chord on my soul
7 Kiritsugu with 7 berserkers sounds like a party. Drunk shenanigans, hook ups, bar fights, etc. It would be a lot of fun but ultimately meaningless.
To be as efficient as possible, 14 Kiritsugus- 7 masters, 7 servants 😂
Or EMIYA too ig
@@Enhanz Imagine how much of a downer it will be to see a Ruler Kiritsugu. lol
How would he even be a ruler
@@Enhanz IF he becomes a ruler. lol
Underrated masterpiece :( my fav anime series along side kara no kyoukai
"Underrated"
@@venor2612 Underrated cuz there are people who exist who think it's bad
@@alexanderrichard8842 same with stay night.
My favorites are tsukihime and stay night.
The is so well put together. Thank you so much for making it. I love hearing people go over why this anime is such a masterpiece and this part alone has already pointed out so many things I never noticed about this show. Can't wait to continue to part 2.
Lincoln Beckett-Scott
I discovered you through your Analysis of Gon's Morality just a few moments ago (my favourite Shonen and one of the questions I really wanted to dive into).
And then I see you've done a 3 part series on Fate/Zero too?!! Love it!! Ugh, this is by far my most favourite Fate series (and generally any anime)! :D
Nice! This was my first video ever, so it is quite rough. But I did put a lot of passion and work into it.
Definitely saw that evident in the videos.!
I'm a huge fan of channels like Wisecrack and while browsing their "Philosophy of..." series on a few animes, I wondered - there really should be more videos dedicated to delving into the philosophy in Anime. And as luck would have it, I saw the Gon video in the recommendations :)
Subbed and definitely looking forward to more videos from you in the future, keep it up, man! :D
Great videos Alecz, keep them coming.
Thanks very much!
Dude, pretty much every anime I love is on your channel.... You sir have earned a sub and a multitude of likes. As soon as I get to watching them all....
Awesome, thanks very much for the support man. It's awesome that we have such similar tastes.
I’ve watched so many anime at this point and this one was my first anime and still is my favorite cause it felt like what you said was made for me I love history and got me hooked on the fate series
I come back to see your first videos and the quality of sound improved dramatically on your new one! Congratz!
Very rough in places but overall a very good video series full of effort and passion.
I'm waiting on my steam games to download so I came here to watch all of the Fate/Zero analysis vids you have :)
Good work on all the other videos, like Monster, Steins Gate, and Re Zero, you articulate your opinions very well. Keep it up
Thanks a lot!
Well that was a review and a half, nice work.
Just throwing my thoughts on the themes. You say Zero has so many themes you couldn't begin to describe them all, which I agree, but if I were to nail it down to one central theme that sums up the whole show (and by extent the franchise) it would be “the dangers of relying on end results of ideals”. Throughout the whole show, characters expect that following their ideals would bring them what they desire: world peace for Kiritsugu, her country's salvation for Saber, honourable battle for Lancer, Sakura's freedom and Aoi's love for Kariya etc. But the world doesn't always hand out realizations of ideals just for following them, so they're crushed at the end. On the other hand, those who are satisfied simply following their ideals will get a happy ending regardless of the results, Rider especially given how he was a massive fuckup with his empire, never was able to reincarnate, see the sea, or save Saber from her ideals. He didn't mind, which is why he won the debate against Saber, not because of better Kingship but because of conviction of his decisions.
The most powerful scene, or two scenes, for me was the contrast between after Kiritsugu killed his mother and after Kiritsugu caused the fire. He despaired after shooting the plane down, but was able to stand strong afterwards because he accomplished his goals in preventing possible catastrophe. The same didn't happen at the end of the war, he wasn't able to achieve world peace after all that bloodshed and burned up a town on top of it. It wasn't even the fault of his ideals, but it didn't matter, he failed and was broken for it. What saved him was being able to save one person, just one, out of everyone he killed, because he didn't have to murder or sacrifice anyone to do it, for the first, and last time in his life, he was a hero he could be proud of. That was enough for him. It was a brilliant contradictory scene, Kiritsugu, the saviour, is saved from being a broken mess and Shirou, the one being saved, is left a broken mess.
It's supposed to tie back into the main Fate/Stay Night story. UBW perspective alone, Archer was also blindly following his ideals and expecting it to work, but eventually grew into a cynical nihilist who wanted to kill himself after the world beat the fact that you can't save everyone into his head. By contrast, the two climaxes of UBW involved Shirou acknowledging his ideals were impossible and being satisfied just with chasing it. The point of the sword fights were not to be flashy but to be served as metaphors for the themes, well, they were *supposed to* had Ufotable not butchered the scenes to death. It wasn't possible to work to being with, you can't take Anime-Shirou seriously without scenes like this: th-cam.com/video/Kb4FOlpfLNk/w-d-xo.htmlh12m55s.
Thanks for watching, hopefully you enjoyed.
And I totally see where you're coming from and agree. That is definitely a very prominent theme. A sort of blind faith in hoping against hope that your ideals are sound and will carry you to a perfect result may work in some fiction, but it doesn't tend to work in the real world and it definitely doesn't work in Fate/Zero. Great point.
And regarding your points about UBW - I totally agree that there is some totally complex and well-written character exploration in the original visual novels, but I'm guessing (since I haven't read them) that a lot of that is based on introspection and being inside Shirou's head throughout the VN. The anime doesn't do that, and Ufotable (IMO) don't properly tell us what Shirou is all about, so he comes off as sort of a stubborn bonehead, with not much to him. It's a shame, because I feel like the shallow flashy sword fights from the UBW anime probably have so much more to them in the VN, but we weren't able to see it. Having seen the link you posted too, I'm sure that's the case.
Aleczandxr Definitely give the VN a read, if you can handle the time sink that is, one thing Zero does have over FSN is storytelling efficiency. You'll see just how much Shirou requires being in the VN medium to function, and how minimalistic the actual sword fighting of the climaxes are. You say how different Kirei and Kiritsugu are on the inside despite seeming so similar on the outside? It's the exact reverse with Kirei and Shirou.
For sure, I've been meaning to for a while. I've read up a bit on the proper Kiritsugu/Shirou character dynamic and it's definitely really interesting, too bad that doesn't translate well across mediums.
A quick thing to point out, Archer never wanted to kill himself. He even states himself he was satisified with his life and blamed nobody when he was executed. it was only afterwards after innumerable battles as a Counter Guardian he believed it to just be utterly useless and he became broken.
As for the UFOTable butchering scenes, let's not forget how they butchered Shirou v Gil. Making Shirou flip around like Spiderman and somehow making him look OP enough that anime only watchers complained he got asspull powers and also making him look so weak they were saying he died by an asspull by making it look like Gil won was a big feat to pull off lol.
Damn it, Alec. You're good. Broke my heart from the get-go. You honor Fate/Zero. My thanks.
You’re very welcome.
This gotta be one of the most emotional rollercoaster of a show I have ever seen including fate stay night
The thing i love from this anime is that to become a dark and twisted show, you don't have to resort to gore, disgusting things,and mind fuck but by simply messing with ideals and point of views
wow this is a fantastic analysis of fate/zero. You just got a new subscriber. I went into fate/zero coming from the older anime series and was expecting more of the same. It came as a huge shock that it was very different. With its very dark theme and mature characters I got sucked in immediately. My favorite characters were rider and his master. Every time they were on screen it made me love them even more. I would say this series is one of the second best tragedies I have seen right next to madoka magica. I'm going to watch the rest of these zero videos and can't wait to see what your thoughts are on others.
Thanks very much! Glad you liked it. You've got a new sub as well.
Fate/Zero ans Madoka Magica have the same createor
Yep, Urobuchi is seriously special.
+Aleczandxr I love Urobuchi, it's a god, he did Original Anime ( Madoka Magica, Psycho-Pass), Light Novel ( Fate/Zero), Visual Novel (Saya no Uta) and Manga (Suisei no Gargantia) and now series with puppets (Thunderbolt Fantasy)
yes urobuchi tragedy style !!! for ever!!!
that scene where berserker attacks gilgamesh still gave me chills. such a badass...
Might I suggest Fate : Oath under Snow? It deconstructs Shiro's beliefs and because his beliefs are a reflection of his foster father's desires it serves as a criticism of him as well.
Ah yes, Fate/Zero, one of my top 3 anime of all time (Right behind Gintama and Yu Yu Hakusho). Took me an extremely long time to comment on this video since I’ve just recently gotten into your channel, so if you are reading this years later, Aleczandxr, then thank you for making such an awesome series on this masterpiece
Cool, you’re welcome! Nice to see you starting with the really old stuff as you get into the channel, haha. I’m glad some of these first videos don’t go forgotten.
Now this is a well written video essay. (and for some reason makes me think of Hamlet...)
Thanks very much!
Propably my favourite show to date
Amazing job thanks a lot ! Quite content that you reviewed the deepest anime (FMA, Psycho-Pass, Steins Gate, Fate/Zero). Do you plan more videos on psycho-pass? Some videos on more common anime as Naruto, Bleach ? Anyway up to now u really did a good job
Thanks! And I’ve made two videos on Psycho-Pass and don’t intend to do more. I also don’t plan to cover Naruto or Bleach.
Any scene with Waver and Rider was a delight. Change my mind.
This analysis is so amazing. I just recently REALLY got into the fate series. Personally this was my first fate. At the time I didn't appreciate it as much bc I lacked certain context of the deen stay night (which sadly I saw last but was amazing in my opinion I don't get the hate) and ubw. But watching these I just crave more fate. I know there's tons but it seems that the others don't have the same gravity or complexity but I could be wrong. Just saw heaven's feel part 2 and still recovering 😭
"lots and lots of tragedy" yep. Some things just hit me hard. D:
I just finished F/Z half an hour ago (Absolutely loved it btw) and the first thing I did was look for that one Rider tweet you made a few days ago and now I'm planning to go through these 7 videos.
I don't know if it's just the mic but this video feels a bit different from your more recent videos but I can't quite pinpoint why, maybe you feel the same or just disagree entirely lol. Anyway, can't wait to binge all your F/Z content.
As you can see by the date, this was my literal first video ever, lol. I recorded using an iPhone and it was my first time ever commentating anything, so forgive some rough audio for this 3-part series.
Hope you enjoy the videos though! The Rider/Waver video and the Gilgamesh one are both very polished and good, IMO.
@@Aleczandxr Oh I saw it was old but I didn't know it was your first ever video, that's crazy lmao
I was just getting ready to watch the Gilgamesh one but I just gotta say, I absolutely adored the last few minutes of the "Stylistic and thematic analysis" video. One of the main reasons I watch your videos is because you frequently put the majority of the scattered thoughts I had during my watch into a more cohesive, tighter analysis, but this time those last few minutes where you talk about what you think the main message of the series is made me realize that said message had gone completely over my head and I really, really appreciate you making me notice that because the whole "Set yourself big goals but be realistic, be prepared for failure because that's what allows you to grow" thing is exactly the type of ideology I try to live by, and hearing that made me appreciate the anime a whole lot more than I already did.
And one last thing, it's so cool to me that you replied so quickly to a random comment on your literal first video, I noticed you did the same for other comments from just a few months ago. It's for that and many other things that you've become one of my favorite TH-camrs :)
@@Aleczandxr Never would've guessed it was an Iphone you recorded with, wow!
I didn't know what anime to watch on netflix since Hunter X Hunter ended. Because of this video I have started watching Fate/Zero and am hooked. Thanks.
Glad you like it! It's a phenomenal show. So emotional and engaging.
Start. With. Fate/Zero.
Watching UBW after FZ just made me love both MORE. Don't overthink it, just watch and enjoy the great story.
I'd like to respond to your statement regarding UBW and Shirou at 4:50. (At least, I assume you're talking about Shirou since he's on screen during this statement)
After having watched your Re: Zero video and your Hunter X Hunter video where you complimented Subaru and Gon for having unique logical and emotional flaws, flaws that both contrast and compliment the setting of the shows they're in, flaws that make them tragic, relatable and sympathetic, it's weird to see you throw some shade at UBW and hinting that Shirou is unlikable due to his flawed sense of morality.
I absolutely love UBW on an emotional level, more so than /Zero, because of the tragic contrast between Shirou and Archer. Episodes 19, 20, and 21 of that show is my favorite stretch of animated storytelling of all time. Those three episodes are my Old Yeller. How can you watch the scene where Shirou pulls Caliburn from the stone as his hand sets on fire, all while the song "Last Stardust" plays, and not cry? The whole show built up to that moment and when it crescendos into that scene, it's pure brilliance. A brilliant metaphor to represent the ideology of a tragically flawed hero who, even if you don't like him, surely you cannot help but feel sorry for.
This was my first video. My opinions on characters have developed since then. I disagree with quite a few of my older viewpoints, it's totally normal.
I think Shirou is a great protagonist but I also think that the UBW anime did a poor job with presenting him and what he was actually all about. I feel like more introspection was needed. Maybe if I had the context from the VN I would've cared more about that fight in UBW but as it stands I found it pretty standard when I watched it.
> hinting that Shirou is unlikable due to his flawed sense of morality.
To be fair, he hinted a Shirou coming across as unlikable due to a failure on the show's part when it came to explaining his morality to the viewer. In other words, it wasn't that his morality made him unlikable, but that the show's failure to explain his morality made him unlikable.
@@KaNoMikoProductions True. That's why I love visual novel.
Dang, you really should read the visual novels, both Stay Night and Hollow Ataraxia are utterly fantastic.
I’ve read FSN.
@@Aleczandxr I want to present my view on ubw. I think Emiya Shirou is one of the unique presentation of a hero. His actions never lead a perfect result. He want to save everyone but his effort to save someone always lead a destruction for others. He want to truly understand the concept of hero in humanity and a way where he can really able to save everyone. It actually ask the question about these heroes that is it really what they do is right for everyone. How it is actually work? You can say that he ask the question that what make someone right.
Shirou is very twisted character and you can even call him the embodiment of every hypocrisies of any superheroes. he is very different to a normal human being. Many normal humans also have this very optimistic dream. Normal humans have this dream but they have their own sense of justice. But shirou is very different. he has a ideal but he didn' have any sense of good or evil or any form of justice. he only try to save others for satisfying his need of pleasure or the feeling of alive. he didn' even know the true reason of his dream. He also said this in Unlimited Blade Works route.
[I swore so as a child.
To fulfill the dream of the man I admired most.
…But to be honest, I'm still wondering…
If my idea is the right one.
Where my idea comes from.
What I can do even despite me being just an amateur.
How to make the dream of making everybody happy, which Kiritsugu always talked about, come true.]
his every ideal is copied. he copied everything from Kiritsugu. Even his morality is also copied from his father. he mindlessly follow it and trying to save others without thinking because he just want to feel that smile again which is present in Kiritsugu's face. he even also want a enemy or some 'true evil' to defeat as a superhero to feel that feeling of pleasure. kirei also point out which shirou wanted to prove wrong.
[Rejoice, boy. Your wish will finally come true."
The priest says, as if declaring an oracle.
Those words are...
Aren't those the true feelings I haven't yet realized
"What are you saying all of a sudden?"
"You should know. Your wish will not come true unless there is a clear evil. Even if it is not something you approve of, a superhero requires a villain to defeat."
"!"
I feel like everything has turned black.
The priest said it.
The greatest wish and the ugliest wish I have are the same.
…Yes, the desire to protect something…
…Is, at the same time, none other than the wish for something to violate it
" Y-You"
But there's no way I'd wish for something like that.
I don't remember a moment when I've wished for that.
Such an insecure wish…
…Just means the target ideals are inconsistent.
But the priest says as if to pierce my heart, "Good thing you have an enemy now."
"No, you do not have to gloss over it. Your worries are normal for a human being."
The priest smiles.
"!"
I shake off the priest's words and walk to the door.
]
He later also said that he think he did actually want a enemy in fate route. that's why he actually want to change saber as a more "human" for her sake but never understand his own hypocrisy. that is the reason why fate route is route which explains Shirou ideals very well. Shirou forces his copied morality and fake love of human towards everyone without understanding their problems. he has very limited emotion and he can't understand the emotion of others. But he also never understand that he also has his own "true self" of his own but he never understand his true self in fate route. We also understand that his love toward human is not fake but it is the characteristics of his true self. it is also said by Kirei in heaven's feel route
[I see. So that means you will not follow Kiritsugu's path."
He talks as if he's disinterested.
The priest regards me with a bored expression, as if disappointed.
"Father's path…?"
"That's right. Your father loved humans.
Higher, wider, farther. He loved humans as they go over their limits without end. That is why he turned himself into the definite evil.
That man would have killed Matou Sakura. He threw away his human emotions for the sake of justice."
"…Is that any different from you?
Casting away one person's happiness for the sake of justice, for many people's happiness."
"No. What you people call happiness did not bring me joy."
"Huh…?"
That's not a reply.
No, more than that…
He's not even looking at me.
"Right, we were different.
He threw away what he had, but I had nothing to throw away.
The result was the same, but the process was completely different.
His existence was too unpleasant. His agony was truly unpleasant.
If he went to such lengths to cast it away, he should never have had it in the first place. But still he agonized over his decision, trying to pick it back up after he threw it away. As if saying that is the correct way for humans to live."
"The difference was crucial. Yes. If I cannot obtain anything, why was I born into this world?"
The priest' words are not directed at anyone.
...But they contain anger.
They contain emotion, which i thought this man didn't have.
"…Hah. Come to think of it, there is no way you can succeed Kiritsugu. He did what was necessary by throwing things away, but you insist on having it both ways.
We are similar, you and I.
You died once and broke down when you were resurrected. It is posteriori, but you are like me, a defect from birth."
"What…? What part of me is broken?"
"You just do not realize it.
You have no concept of self. So I did not think you would concern yourself with a single person. No, rather"
You are not concerned about many,
but concerned about all as if they were only one.]
In ubw he started to saw the hypocrisy of his own ideals with help of Archer and Rin and his experiences in ubw route. he understand that his ideal is always false. he has not any sense of justice and even his self. he also understand the inconsistencies of ideal of not just his own but also the ideals of others heroes. others heroes only force their ideals on the basis of their own ideals. He understand that he can't save everyone by forcing his ideal on someone. his way of saving only destroy anyone for others and only lead despair. But this is the route where he understands the true meaning of his ideal and his true self. he actually loved humans but very differently to his father. he loved the human emotions, love, compassion, shared human nature and values. He thinks that good and bad are situational. There are right and wrongs and those who didn't fear to this always lead a destruction. he want to become superhero to spread this shared nature and love of human toward each other into everywhere to form a ideal "human society" where everyone understand other's feelings and also think about the gain and loss of others as well as themselves without any prejudice and also create justice in this world. Shirou want to create a world filled with 'Swords'. swords represent Shirou's selflessness and his live for others. he want to create a ordered world where people also punishes those are bad or wrong in that situation. To destroy discimination, he want to first create a selfless world by eradicating prejudice and spreading the human nature. But it is still impossible to satisfy everyone. it still lead nowhere but it is able to create a better world. that's why he said
["I have created a thousand blades .
Unaware of loss
Nor aware of gain"]
And
[“Everything is here, and nothing is here.
That is why this is called Unlimited Blade Works.
This is the only definite answer obtained by the one who lived as a sword all his life.”]
The reason why Archer hate Shirou or himself. Because he never has his own values and way of justice. He just follows it for pleasure. That is the biggest reason why Archer fall into despair in the end and only end as a puppet or scapegoat for human's love and hatred both.
The thing is when their swords collide. He get the memories of Archer. He experienced this memory of atrocities very similarly to the curse of Angra Mainyu but this time he understands the meaning and also importance of those curses. Shirou's resolution is that he tries to save everyone. He will create a situation through which he can save everyone even it is difficult not like Kerry or Archer. They don't try to save everyone or tries to find a way through which he can resolve those disputes. They just try to find a best way to save more people. But he will not regret if he can't save someone like Archer or Kerry which ultimately lead them to their beliefs.
@@Aleczandxr Further from my previous comment,
Shirou's resolution in the end of ubw is definitely far more complicated and twisted than kiritsugu's resolution. I will not call it superior but it is definitely unuque. A world can only be changed when it's people tried to change it. And for this people should know about what is humanity and how it works. They should understand the shared nature between humans. Their love, Their tendency to care each other, compassion, emotions, their tendency to create mutual bonds, learn from their mistakes, accept their sins and use these all these things collectively for the benefits of others. Shirou love human. This is his ‘true self’ i.e he understands in the end of ubw and throw his ‘fake self’ which only try to save for his own pleasure. He already gained the answer that he can't save everyone. But now he know that it is never possible. But humans can change it. He want to create this world by influencing through his action. He influence others to become like him who thinks about other's benefit more than his own. And lead people to a ordered world which is filled with swords like him and that can possibly lead a utopia. He act as a pinnacle of the human beings selflessness to influence other to become like him and they can collectively influence world and their people to have mire faith in selfless act and other well being. They think about themselves as well as others benefits without prejudice and create a order which try to satisfy everyone but also teach society the fear of what is right and wrong in different situations. (Well this ordered world theory is given by archer but Shirou combine this dream with his own to create a better ideal. He learn from Archer). He will take every type of suffering and throw evrything for it to inspire other about this suffering. so people would also understand the suffering of others and started to create 'Heroes'. The thing is he considered living like this is beautiful. He considered enduring the suffering of others is very beautiful. In short he want to turn himself into a person who take every pain and suffering from others onto him and not giving those pain to others, to inspire others to be like him and lead a better world. he loves human so much that he loves taking pain, suffering and consequences of hypocrisies of every selfish human dreams from others to make them happy and to show human a better path for living as a 'real' human and also show that what human can do. So that no one would suffer from these selfish hypocisies. To teach other that pursue these selfish dreams by trying to eradicating these hypocrisies. He will not become a person like archer in which everyone force their mistakes to show their goodness but he will become a idol for others to inspire them to become like him and love others. He also accept hatred and sins of humanity and show the beauty of these ugliness and show how to use it improve humans as whole and use it to spread love and compassion towards each other even more. Shirou is a void who has not any values and sense of justice. He interpreted his existence is possible because of humans and for humans. That's why he take the decision to hold his own sense of selflessness and dream to guide others human's and their individuals ideals to interpret other's ideals as well to understand humanity as whole better. He want to guide or change human to believing this way of living by the influence of his actions, his guidance and beauty of this dream. He have not any ideals but he want to guide every human's ideals in right path by understanding every ideals and even the hate and love both towards his own ideals to convert his ideal into more better one.
@@Aleczandxr Further from my previous two comments, Still he has not any solid ideal even in the end. He still doesn't know how to protect this world. And yeah he fights for his ideal. But People are wrong that he didn't love humanity. This is the thing which attracted him not kiritsugu's smile. It is the thing which forces him try to define everyone and try to make them happy. This is the true reason behind his ideal which he understands in end. He also said in the fight with Archer that at first it is admiration but it is actually the try to save undone this hell and destroy his hollowness by essence of humanity.
it is true that he make path to follow and try to really save everyone without discarding anyone. But the point is he will never get true success in his path. But this journey is representation of his true self and this self itself is enough for his success because it creates hope for ideal world and this hope is enough for human beings to try endlessly to reach the horizon of humankind. You would find that his resolution is interesting to listen but actually is it even possible in reality? Because the reality of world is quite nihilistic. The end of world is inevitable. People cannot save everyone and they can't even save themselves in the end. Objectively, there is no god and bad also. And even a good ideal for some people can be considered as evil for others. It means human should live their even it needs to sacrifice other and they don't accept anything as a result. They shouldn't love or hate others. But their is a problem. Even though it is logically true but is it true that there no evil or good. Actually Shirou's realisation in the end is definitely a try to change this world. But the reality is that his realisation actually change himself in the end. His way of living life is optimistic or more correctly optimistic nihilism. He know that even his way of saving has huge chance of failure. It is also possible that he could also be ended as evil for others. But his dream of hope is itself enough to elevate himself as a human to change this world. Just like you said good and evil can't be destroyed because it creates balance in the world. But just the hope of true equality and justice. The hope of guiding humans in their respective path is itself beautiful. This beauty can elevate every human to live his life in this world and try to find his own meaning in this world and way of living. So this hope, try if ideal world and enough knowledge of consequences really help every human to actually save themselves and world. One statement perfectly fit in his situation i.e
“I don't know if it was correct or not.
Nobody will be able to determine that.
The beautiful things are ugly and ugly things are beautiful.
There is nothing disgusting, once you look at it objectively.
So why is there such a deviation in world?
Sophistry, falsehood, trickery and vanity.”
It is of course shirou's own statement. He question this exact question when he get the memory of Archer and asked himself that why he felt this deviation if he thinks good and bad is actually not existed. Why he regretted for this? And why he even follows it in the end?
It can also be explained with Angra Mainyu ending in hollow ataraxia where because of shirou's influence, he remembers his resolution as human after prayed as demon. He understands that humans are ugly but this also make them beautiful because they can find beauty even in ugliness of the world. He understands this feature of human being make world as a whole much more beautiful. The hope of creating a world where no one can be harmed is a beautiful thought and this things actually is the reason which drives human to live their life and create curiosity to understand themselves much more better to improve themselves which is actually impossible. In the end, this optimistic view actually make this world much more better place. Everyone has different way to reach the true happiness according to them but objectives are always same for every human being. That's why effort to make this world better is not fruitless and actually this effort to change many lives. Atleast this path can create a world without meaningless bloodshed. I mean if they had a hope like this and believe like this. They atleast try to achieve their goal in better way. It definitely didn't change the factor of sacrifices but it is much more manageable. And this hope can create a beautiful world where people atleast try to understand each other. In the end, we have to sacrifice someone. But this type of hope,desire and satisfaction with only the journey of this ideal is enough to create caring and love nature toward each other. We would sacrifice someone but we cherish for their sacrifice and try to save others because of it. In this world atleast, everything which is important as a human being to elevate in higher heights with more comfort in our life as whole is only possible because of this nature to care each other and co-operation along with our own selfishness. That's why as a human we should spread this motto of cooperation and better world by destroying hate in world to live a successful life.
That's what I want to say that hope is the thing which is the reason why human is able to strive in this world. Hope elevate us from a mere animals. Sacrifices are needed to save others. You had to sacrifice someone to save others. We can't change it but we can atleast try to save everyone. We have to spread humanity, save others and guide others to have hope to create a paradise but also accept sacrifices. Without humanity no one can create a better world. I mean without understanding others and without changing everyone. You can't create a better world. Changing in a right path to someone can't be succeeded. Because nothing is right in this world. Something is right for someone are not right for others. But we can try or hope to change world with humanity, saving others or guiding others go understand the shared emotion or nature of every human or in this case every beings. Everyone has different way to reach their path and they are conflicting also. But this hope or try of better world can find path through these all conflicting ideals but it always needed humanity. But in the end, we can't save everyone but we can enjoy this world. We can even enjoy or find beauty even ugliness of humanity. He becomes one of the best hero in ubw route which didn't consider anyone evil and know how it is a difficult to consider someone true sinner. He will guide them in their own terms but also teach them the importance of humanity. So that they never forget their own humanity because he will not kill them but this world will definitely kill them. True paradise is only existed in infinity. But your effort to reach infinity can create a change. You never able to reach infinity but you definitely able to reach somewhere with help of your humanity. You definitely able to create a change which definitely create a better world but that world also create despair again in the long term. It is the true cycle of humanity and we had to follow it. That's why Emiya Shirou decided to fight for eternity because he understands the cycle of hope and despair or wishes and curses. He decided to accept both of them and find beauty in both of them. So that he can guide humans with light of hope in despair because both hope and despair is essential in human life. They will solve their mistakes with them. They will perfected themselves with it where they started to understand each other's despair and hope. So that they can create a better world where they again started to stumble but this cycle itself is the source of life and happiness for them. Did you remember madoka magica anime written by gen urobouchi? The main core of this show is cycle of despair and hope. Emiya Shirou understand this cycle and accepted. It find this cycle itself is beautiful. Gen take a more optimistic path in madoka magica where main character was able to manipulate the fabric of time. But Shirou take the more realistic approach and accepted every despair as his own main identity. It uses despair as guidance for humanity. Because of despair. They perfected their own mistake and create hope and this hope again created a despair. But this process of understanding our own mistakes is itself is satisfying and even beautiful just like this world.
Note:- humanity means our tendency to make a community or save or understand each other. I call it humanity because human are different to animals because of these features. And human are existed because of these features. They created their own loved ones or community or country because of these features.
@@HerMi.T Jesus Christ Mr copypasta
ayy the vid's back
Holy hell the first fight is soooooo good.
okay, I'm sold. you explain the exact reason I feel the way I do when I watch anime. and hunter X hunter and fate/zero are two of my favorites. thank you
Cool, thank you for watching! It's very interesting to see that people are still discovering my first ever video series.
Aleczandxr of course! I recently found your channel, so I'm watching you're analysis videos xD but keep up the good work. looking forward to more hunter X hunter videos. and I recommend doing a series on fate/stay night unlimited blade works (better animation and and development) thank you!
Maximillion Thanks! Although I don't think I'll do something on UBW, or at least not very soon. I thought it was entertaining and beautiful looking but it really wasn't anything better than a 7/10 for me.
Aleczandxr I agree. I feel that the real issue of it was the focus being on two specific "main characters". With one of them (Shiro) being way too much of a stereotypical anime protagonist. but it was still amazing in its own respect
Gen Urobutchi is like Alan Moore of anime
Back to the beginning..
I really enjoyed this analysis of F/Z and began binge watching the rest of your videos. Have you seen the anime Kara No Kyoukai before? Its my favorite anime and it seemed fitting to do a video on that, given that it takes place in the same universe and animated by the same company.
Thanks for checking my videos out! I have indeed seen Kara no Kyoukai. Very good series.
Hi Aleczandxr, my name is Dhivaan Salig, I'm originally from South Africa and I have a dream. My dream is to write a great story, a story that can make a lasting impact on people. I want to ask you, what is your dream? Do you dream of writing your own great story since you have an ideal anime? If not, that's fine you have another dream.
I definitely don't have any ambitions to write a story, no. I prefer to experience stories than think them up.
That's fine and when it's ready I hope you enjoy it, it's more optimistic than Fate Zero, Monster or Berserk, it tackles themes like compassion towards other living creatures, different people cooperating, transformation (physically, mentally and spiritually) and the nature of humanity
What is your dream by the way? And what is the soundtrack in the first few minutes, I'm curious?
Now all I can think of is 7 Kiritsugus and Berserkers running around, screaming, and trying to kill each other xD
Fate zero is one of those animes that I can watch over and over again learn something new that didn't know before and still be entertained by it definitely in my top 10 of all time
Fate/Zero is a prequel in the same way as the starwars movies.
And the order that it should be watched would be in following order:
Fate/stay night visual novel first playthrough.(Or watch the studio deen adaption [AVOID THE UBW movie!!!])
Fate/stay night unlimited blade works (both seasons)
Fate/stay night Movie: Heaven's Feel - I. Presage Flower (The heavens feel route is spoiled if you already seen Fate/zero)
Fate/stay night Movie: Heaven's Feel - II. Lost Butterfly (No physical or digital retail copies jet)
Fate/stay night Movie: Heaven's Feel - III.(unrealised)
Fate/Zero (Both seasons)
Please avoid any spin off titles (especially the fate extra Anime) with exemption to the light novels and Fate/Apocrypha.
a lesser recommendation would also be the movie fate/kaleid liner prisma illya oath under snow (But thats thats only if you wanna risk being invested in 4 seasons of cringy worth of magical girl nonsense)
Light novels in order or recommendation:
Fate/Prototype
Fate/Prototype:fragments of the silver sky
Fate/Strange Fake
I also highly recommend the garden of sinners series which there will be a camio in Fate/stay night Movie: Heaven's Feel - III
of a certain protagonist
And if you want even more try out the fate/grand order mobile game
(theres only an American, Korean and Japanese version Europeans be fucked)
I love all of the fate series, but its a shame there isn't really a good starting of point other then the vn.
Some say that fate/zero is that but it was never to my understanding intended as such.
True
@Gatchy A Gatchmon Br Zero spoils a shit ton of twists from Stay Night so it's better to play Stay Night and watch Zero AFTER
@@jouheikisaragi6075 Yeah but Stay night and UBW spoils Fate/Zero
In Stay Night/UBW its flat out stated in the first few episodes that the Grail is corrupted, kiritsugu ordered Saber to destroy it, and that Kirei is a bad guy.
In Zero you see the origin of each Master and their families, Kirei is more nuanced and him becoming evil surprises you, Kiritsugus ideals aren't apparent and him turning out to wanting to be a hero despite his methods is shocking, and everything is a mystery including the grail... to the point that finding out the grail is corrupted makes it all the more tragic and heroic when Kiritsugu rejects it and orders Saber to destroy it.
Ufotable made it so that newcomers should watch Zero First, then UBW, then the Heavens feel Movie.
The only thing Zero spoils is that Sakura had a twisted childhood.
But Stay night spoils Zero in that the grail caused the Fire, is corrupted, that Kiritsugu is a hero and that Kirei is the Villain, that Gilgamesh teams up with Kirei, that Kiritsugu "betrays" Saber, and that the survivors at the end are Gilgamesh/Kirei and Saber/Kiritsugu.
@@Binks129 that's the point. Zero is meant to be a tragedy that you KNOW how it will end but you don't know how it ended like that. Watching Zero after Stay Night(preferably playing it) gives a different tragedy style. The "I can't do anything to save anyone from fucking themselves" hopelessness. Zero becomes darker because you know how it ends, but not why.
Satan The Arbiter The Light novel yes, the anime... no.
Ah good old Pathos the Anime.
Wellno to be fair the main character is always saber and her master but this sow is incredibly well balanced in also showing the other side characters and attempt to fully explore them as characters in bout the masters and servants and how they relate to one another
Wow, the first ever video.
Aleczandxr what is your opinion on some of the other characters specifically the servants that were more prominent throughout the story like the 3 kings and lancer? I always thought the interactions between the characters is what made this show a modern classic to me
I delve into the characters more in Part 2! And in addition, I have videos on Lancer, Gilgamesh, Rider and Waver as well that you can check out if you’d like!
No GARcher 0/10
But seriously Great video
Berserker wasn't necessarily spurned on by Kariya to kill "everyone and everything." Kariya specifically sends him in to kill Gilgamesh, because Kariya hates Tokiomi. After Gilgamesh leaves, Berserker goes, well, berserk upon seeing Saber, rendering Kariya unable to control him.
I love fate zero. Ryder was by far my fav character. I could never get into the other fate series though for some reason.
I couldn't either, to be honest. Wasn't a huge fan of UBW and could never get into the VNs.
Read fate/strange fake, or fate/prototype silver sky if you like zero your going to like them guaranteed
I would actually argue the first fight actually sets up SIX Servants. In addition to the things you mentioned, there's also the aftermath where Caster confuses Saber for Fate/Apocrypha's Ruler, which serves to pretty much be the rest of his character from that point onwards. Not to mention it leads directly into the most badass moment in the Fate franchise - EXCALIBUR!
Ah, I see. I haven't seen Apocrypha so that explains how I overlooked it.
You actually don't have to. Ruler is basically the Joan of Arc/Jeanne d'Arc Caster is always talking about in the series, and Apocrypha is in an alternate universe so other than Ruler it has no connection to Fate/Zero. Not to mention Apocrypha's anime is only just coming out this year:
Gemnist Well the fact that I don't know any of that illustrates why I didn't mention it, haha. I'm woefully inept at most Fate stuff that don't have to do with Zero.
@@Aleczandxr Hey man, was just stumbling through here and happened to find this. It’s been a while, but I got around to watching Apocrypha, and I gotta say, it does put a new perspective on how I view both Saber and Caster. Without spoiling too much, via Mordred we get to see the negative impact that Saber’s rule had, while Caster’s brief appearance (tying directly into Ruler) somehow makes him a sympathetic character who gets a bit of closure. I suggest you check it out for yourself, just so you can get that full picture.
Can you please do a review for "Monster" I just subscribed abs your videos are amazing
Monster is actually one of my favourite shows, and I have actually started working on a big review for it. So watch out for that in the future!
Also, thanks for the sub!
I can't wait for that review! I love monster so much, and all you're videos are so good I'll probably end up using your video as an excuse to rewatch that whole series
TheSpreymando Awesome to hear! It's never a bad time to give Monster a rewatch. I am reaaally far from being done the review, however, so you'll have to be patient!
that's okay, I'm going through HxH again for now. I look forward to whenever that video comes out!
Hey Alec, love your channel. As a recommendation think of doing videos of what you're working on from time to time. Cheers man.
Inquiry, if I may. What is the piece of music in the beginning of the video? I have constantly heard it everywhere but I just can't put my finger to it. Could somebody help me?
Note: Brilliant video by the way. Excellent analysis.
The song is called "You Are My King," off of the soundtrack for Fate/Zero. I always put the music in the description but this was literally my first video so I hadn't started yet. Apologies!
And thanks so much, I'm glad you enjoyed.
Thank you very much! Keep up the good work. I look forward to seeing more of your analyses. Subscribed.
I would be so happy to see an analysis of Gilgamesh and how the animation emphasizes his bad assness lmao
Yeah, I definitely plan to do a proper video on him for sure.
great again I'm a big fan of your videos and your use of music has progressed. so much please keep up the amazing work.
Antoine Lucus Thanks. I'll do my best!
Every time I watch Alec I keep wondering if he has a PHD in anime analysis lol.
I don’t, hahaha.
I swear it's as if every show was made for you 😂
I mean, I’ve only said that about S;G and Fate/Zero. Two isn’t that many!
also, saber get blocked from her noble phantasm because of lancer, which is a huge plot point
"The whole reason Saber is there is to get the grail, in all of her incarnations Saber wants the thing and is her primary goal (whether or not she was injured or needed to stop Caster).
Now, with Kiritsugu you are just ignoring for sake of convenience, all of his actions were with the end goal of getting the grail, savage or not"
This is a comment that my friend had about on of the points that you make in your video, while screen sharing in skype (Thought it would be interesting to see an analysis of Fate/Zero).
Of course the grail is Saber's primary goal. My comment on Saber was about her lack of efficiency in fighting the other servants. She wasn't ruthless (for example, didn't kill Lancer or something) because it wasn't in her nature, because she was injured, and because she was also preoccupied with Caster. I was just defending that aspect of the show against people who don't understand why it wasn't a bloodbath from the beginning.
I'm not really sure what the point about Kiritsugu is. I never said that he didn't want the grail; in fact, I reinforced that his existence was basically dependent on getting the grail and saving the world in part 2.
I think your friend has misunderstood me. Saber and Kiritsugu were both 100% in it for the grail and I would never dispute that.
Aleczandxr It was his fuck up, he misunderstood that part of the video and after giving him a sortof transcrip of what you said, he saw your point
Doesn't help that i have to comment and quote almost everything you say because screen sharing is hell.
On that note, he said this about Kariya in part 2
"actually if you go deeper you actually find out that he kinda had it coming...
like he abandoned the Matoi family because he knew some shady shit was going around and did nothing to change it even tho he was technically going to be the next family head, even when Sakura was adopted
only really decided to be proactive when everything was already fucked
he basically took the easy way out first"
I don't know if you already had a comment like that but wantd to know your opinion about it
Insideofgamers Ah, okay. I see.
I've read the novel, so I do indeed know that stuff about Kariya. So yes, he definitely had it coming. And I think that's what makes me so sympathetic to his character. He was a good, righteous guy that was so destined to fail. The inevitability was brutal.
Thanks for watching, by the way!
Gilgamesh is LIFE! :D
I love that asshole.
Check out fate/strange fake if you want to see him in his true glory
Its a manga, and a light novel.
So I got to reading volume 3 out of 5? and by God, if this isn't the best version of Gilgamesh then nothing is, ffs theres 2 people the man considers equals and he uses all his weapons day one after being summoned obliteration a desert, and that's his introduction, if you discount his summoning and his masters introduction.
Fate/Zero is one of only two contenders for the greatest anime I have ever seen. And I only just now realized that the tile of your videos refers to Angra Mainyu. SMH for me.
*title
Agree, even better to read the original light novel even if the language in it makes me feel like an unsophisticated mongrel. I'm like 50% it was written by Gilgamesh himself not that he would deny it anyways.
7 Kiritsugu + 7 Berserkers? Sign me the hell up!
If there is anything I truly hate about that show, it is how shafted Kariya and Lancelot are
Yeah, Kariya never wanted anything to do with mages and Lancelot is a masochist who never got to Artoria senpai
I missed the time when fate use to be dark and cool.
now it just whatever it is
It still has its moments, FGO's second arc is actually pretty disturbing if you take a look at the context the story is placed in
What's the song after "You Are My King?"
Doesn't really sound like any of the other songs
Not sure, sorry. This is the only video that I didn't post the songs in the description for and I don't remember them. Sorry about that!
Rip
The first battle also shows how big riders balls is😅😅😂😂😂
Idk why, but I really didn't realize Kirei was evil at the start and was rooting for him.
The show did quite well at making that aspect of him pretty ambiguous in the beginning.
Aleczandxr just happened to come across your channel today, watched 8 vids and subscribed, great stuff. And yeah, the whole trying to find purpose and being surrounded by religious people while feeling like an outcast really touched me back then, really saddened when Kirei turned.
Kiritsugu shouldve just gone back to Einzbern Castle, fucked up everyone in the way and got Ilya to go and live a normal life.
What the is a main kirostgu kayneith get no plot important he and lancer get left behind in the dust. The only characters we really know are kirei and shirou dad.
so I saw this video series and went and watched nearly 12 hrs of footage ( stay night -mediocre- and zero -impressive character piece) this better be worth it.
dang this vid is super hd
what's the music the start?
You Are My King from the original F/Z OST.
As a small note, though I agree that F/Z has some very good visuals, the character models are extremely inconsistent, and at times extremely ugly. This was worse in the TV version compared to the BD version, but the problem still persists in the latter.
"Appealing to the masses can actually hurt a show, by making it good across a number of fronts without being great at anything." This is exactly how I feel about Zero. Obviously you think the opposite. If I wasn't a Fate fan, this anime would be meh at best. The fights are not that good or exciting, they are flashy. Probably the worst of the Fate adaptations and while there is tragedy, it feels short to what I find in FSN's VN. I'm not trying to badmouth Zero, objectively it's great but in the end it's not for me. It hardly appeals to me. At best Kirei's development is what I like the most, but that's because the VN made me like him in the first place, I was invested in him before entering Zero.
*Probably the worst of the Fate adaptations*
I can understand liking the other adaptations better, but.. really..? Both of the other adaptations had many problems and F/Z's anime did very well in translating the story across mediums. I can understand liking one better than the other for various reasons but as an adaptation, UBW was far worse.
*it feels short to what I find in FSN's VN.*
Comparing across mediums is never very fair. A VN will almost always present a more extensive story than an anime for obvious reasons.
As far as the fights go, yes. Zero has the worst battles of the anime series. Yes the other adaptations have a lot of problems but I feel they shine brighter when they do decide to shine. I'm not really a fan of Ufobutcher. They tell the story well, better and with very few glaring issues but it's boring studio. When it comes to delivering over the top, emotional scenes, they fall short. They did their best job with KnK but with the Fate series, Zero is their best run and a lot of that might have to do with Zero's LN being crap. Zero is good but I feel their is no greatness. The most emotional impact they had given me is an extreme dislike for 25% of the main cast and it's not one of those "love to hate" moments and that has nothing to do with the anime, it's what the LN set up so Ufobutcher couldn't do much about. At least the anime left out much of the horrible parts of Kerry's character.
*As far as the fights go, yes.*
I guess if you're only talking about the fights then that's fine. I don't care about much the actual fights anyway, even though I enjoyed them; they're one of the least important components of the anime.
Shaifs what do you mean the fights are trash? Kiri vs kirei was absolutely stunning.
Uuh, you watched a seinen for it's fighting scenes? -_-
Dose anybody know what the open song is called?
Hitori _ I think it's You Are My King
Also no mention for KnK?
I don't think that I had watched it at the time of making this.
where can I find this anime ?
Monique Hernandez I believe it is on Crunchyroll. I also think it used to be on Netflix, but I can't find it anymore.
Other than that there are always sites like Kissanime etc. that naturally have it, although I would recommend watching it in as high a quality as you can get your hands on.
its currently on netflix
Do more fate content
The one single issue I had with Zero, though I don’t think this was Urobuchi’s fault, was Gilgamesh.
Don’t misunderstand; I liked Gilgamesh in Zero. But the original Fate anime presented this idea that he was corrupted by the Grail. I thought that was such an interesting idea: the Ur-Hero, the origin of of the ideal, being made warped and twisted by the Grail. And now I could see what he was like before that corruption.
... Only to find out he was pretty much always an asshole and so much of an OP -lord that Sephiroth would be going “Dude? Chillax.”
Adorni Except that the Original never implied it, its stated by Nasu that he wasn't corrupted by the grail, rather he was angry that Humanity had become overpopulated.
Which is fair, as I haven't played the visual novel myself. However, was that something Nasu said later, or did Gilgamesh or Kotomine themselves explain as such?
I like the idea of Gilgamesh being the "ultimate Servant" and the final bad guy, so to speak. And I don't have a problem with his percieved power level. But when I read the wiki it became rapidly apparent that he seems to suffer from what I call "Sephiroth Syndrome."
There's a lot of talk out of Square these days that Sephiroth is so utterly overpowered that he could handily kick the ass of anyone and everyone in the Final Fantasy "universe" with one hand tied behind his back. The only reason he doesn't is because he "underestimates" his opponents. Which is, frankly, stupid. It's something that one could buy the first time, but in the current run of things, Sephiroth has been beaten by the same guy 3 times. If he's really so awesome, then he should stop fooling around and actually do the deed properly. A careful analysis of the original game, however, paints the idea that Sephiroth, while powerful, was actually just a puppet on a string. First for Hojo and Shinra, and then later for Jenovah. Strong though he was, he was ultimately lacking in will and drive. He had no dream or desire of his own. That's the point of his character, and the ultimate synonym for Cloud who suffered from a similar dilemma. Ultimately, Cloud sorted himself out, and Sephiroth didn't, still dancing to the tune of someone else. Arguably the most powerful being in the world, but still behold to someone else's desires.
But Sephiroth proved to be popular, both with the fans, and with the higher-ups at Square. So suddenly he got more powerful, and more awesome. The idea that he was actually Jenovah's meat-puppet? Nah, bro, he totally mind-dominated her and got all her powers. He got beaten by Cloud and company? Well that's just because he wasn't fighting seriously. The creators are afraid to actually make their character flawed. And Gilgamesh kind of suffers from a similar sort of thing. The idea that the "King of Heroes" could encounter something beyond him, like a Grail that actually twists and distorts your character into a perversion of itself? Nah. Didn't even phase him. In fact, it made him MORE powerful because now he has a physical body, so he doesn't even need a Master. Not that he needed one to begin with, because his magic stat is SO high that he could kill his Master and just do whatever the heck he wanted, if he felt like it. His swords are the best, his strength is the best, his defense- both magical and physical, are the best and _well_ beyond any other servant, obviously. But what's that? Shirou, a lowbie fart who doesn't even have a proper magic circuit, let alone not even being a Servant, has to beat him because of the story? Well, obviously it's because Gilgamesh wasn't taking the fight seriously. Otherwise he'd have crushed Shirou in a millisecond.
*Deep breath*. I apologize for the long rant. And like I said, I haven't read the original visual novel myself, so I don't know what the "deal" with Gilgamesh is, there. And I do like the guy, but it just feels like he was suddenly made ludicrously overpowered, even beyond the degree he already was, because Nasu and the fans liked him. And that's something that's often detrimental to a character, I think.
Read the VN if you didn't already, really worth it.
rider and wave are the best!!!!
True fact, velvet becomes the new Lord El-Melloi the second and a excellent teacher at the clock tower.
just because he was blamed for the death of lancers master.
im not watching this yet but how is this related to fate stay night?
vince1987 Fate zero is the first season and Fate stay night is the second
Hatake Kakashi that's fucking bullshit. Zero is a prequel to Stay night
@Hatake Kakashi that's the dumbest thing ever prequels aren't the starting point they give you a continuation through the perspective of the past if anything its season 2, altough to be fair you shouldn't watch zero without having seen stay night.
I find it hilarious that you call everyone by their servant class but you call Gilgamesh by his actual name.
Lol yeah, I dunno. Probably because of Archer from UBW.
That's because "archer" refers to stay nights archer most of the time.
It does what it sets out to do well enough, but doesn't get the viewer very emotionally invested, unlike the Tsukihime and Fate/Stay Night visual novels.
It's one of the most emotionally investing series I've ever seen. Maybe it isn't for you, but plenty feel the same as me so I wouldn't say that's any measure of quality or lack thereof when opinion differs so much.
@@Aleczandxr Fair enough. I suspect you would agree that its predecessor did a lot better in this area had you read it though.
I did read it.
@@Aleczandxr Thought you hadn't.
For me the whole of Fate/Zero felt like I was just invited to take on a role similar to Gilgamesh's and watch things unfold from a third party perspective. Whereas the Visual novel put you inside the head of Shirou almost from beginning to end. You're not an observer, but a player, with stakes.
At least that was my experience.
I don't entirely disagree and I've said something similar about Fate/Zero in my Gilgamesh video and Rider/Waver videos iirc, but I fail to see the problem. They're two different styles of storytelling and if one is invested in the story, there's no "better" style and stakes are present for both.
Why is your mic so inconsistent?
This was my first ever video, the audio was bad.
Mmm
Makes sense.
I generally wouldn't check something like that sorry my dude.
Zero or Stay Night
Stay night first.
zero is better though, but equally as good as the heavens feel trilogy.
Tbh
honestly even in fate/stay night not many of the characters wanted the grail.
Well the Einsberns did motous did too, tosaka kind of did but not really, lancers master did it for responsibility. Damn people sure dislike wishes.
Lol
Corrupted Cyborg I mean... true but what wish are you willing to kill ruthlessly for? How many millions of dollars gained or how many mouths fed equals how many innocents killed in its wake? I personally don’t have a wish I’d kill an innocent for. Or even the not so innocent.
Tried showing a friend who was just getting into anime Fate/zero and he thought it sucked...
I respectfully disagree with him.
Aleczandxr We aren't friends anymore lol
Becausebit does.
Kiritsugu is the protagonist
well the closest thing the show has to one anyways.
In a way every character has a arc in the show.
This was my introduction to the Fate series, and i was in love.....words cannot express the disappointment i felt when i started digging deeper in to the franchise...what's with all the waifu fanservicey loli crap...
I don't think I disliked it as much as you did, but I can't help but agree. I was expecting more of a story like F/Z - heavy in atmosphere, dark themes and a somber tone. But UBW felt quite shallow to me. The characters in particular were really disappointing compared to what came before. I still enjoyed it on a superficial level, mind. And I wouldn't give it a negative score.
Oh, i am not talking about UBW, i thought UBW was fine, not as good as Zero, but i enjoyed it...i am talking about stuff that came after i finished UBW. I tried playing the games and getting in to series like Fate/Grand Order, Fate/Kaleid or the Fate/Extra series...jeez. It's full of otaku pandering. I am actually shocked that something like Zero is part of the same family xD
Ah, okay. I haven't seen any of those and I don't really intend to. Seems like it's a good decision, judging by your assessment on it. Haha.
If you really want heavy and dark atmosphere go read Tsukhime. It's basically a horror story set in the Nasuverse.
The background music you used is way too loud.
This was my first video from nine months ago, so I've gotten better at the audio.
unlimited blade works first then fate zero
No, ubw is an awful start to the fate series, which I learned the hard way
Ronan Gutierrez, UBW is definitely a lot less confusing if you watch Zero first. UBW is pretty good though.
SolarDragon007 exactly what I meant, most of the backstories don't make sense if you haven't watched zero, and I actually liked ubw
Ronan Gutierrez, I wish I could make my own version of Fate Stay Night taking elements from all three routes. Each route has it's strengths and weaknesses.
it doesn't work very well, if you want to see why you can watch DEEN's adaptation.
I think the first episode of Zero gave to much away about the whole show.
How do you mean? I usually hear the opposite complaint, actually. It didn't outright spoil anything.
Aleczandxr I'm pretty sure they're talking about how the 1st episode was a spoiler for all routes in Fate/Stay Night mainly Heaven's Feel.
Joey Nelson Maybe, but he said show, not series. Ah well.
@@mememe7720 true
Great review ;)
Btw, Gil could wipe out every character in the show and, basically, in the fate universe. Berserker is not an exception, he was not taking him seriously, same as everybody else.
except saber, but she's just an exception, r-r-r-right?
seriously though, EA is overrated. Blast-type noble phantasms can counter it, and it doesn't have the versatility of a conceptual weapon (gilgamesh would just die if he fought avenger. Which ironically, he does in the first few minutes of heaven's feel). Bazette would also be able to kill him instantly if he wasn't wearing his armor, or she was able to avoid any of his noble phantasms 3 times. And she's not even a heroic spirit.
its just a big fuck-you gun. gilgamesh himself is just a decently statted character with a simple but powerful set of weapons with simple applications- shoot, bind and shoot.
at what series you should start? start at fate/zero and leave it there
ur welcome
First of all, thats not how it should be experienced,
the fate series should be experienced in the same order as the routes in the original visual novel with fate zero at the end, however due to the fist route being the shortest and least entertaining it was never really adapted,
and studio deen made a frankenstein monster mixing elements of all the routes where as its not that great and feels out of place.
But it would be;
Fate/stay night (studio deen 2006)
Fate/stay night unlimited bladeworks
Fate/stay night Movie: Heaven's Feel - I. Presage Flower (2017)
Fate/stay night Movie: Heaven's Feel - II. Lost Butterfly (2018)
Fate/stay night Movie: Heaven's Feel - III (possible release early 2019)
Fate/zero
spin offs(honestly i would just recommend to avoid these), fate apocrypha adds very little to the series other then the what if the 3rd grail war went differently and was a mess an adaption by a1pictures (not UFOTABLE)
The fate grand order anime is to be experienced in junction with the mobile game.
Fate/extra is horrible and the only reason to watch it is for true saber aka UMU bride.
and the fate/kalied series is horrible with exceptions to the movie and the last season.
And the light novles are a high recommendation and far on another league especially
fate/prototype
fate/prototype fragments of the silver sky (which is to fate/prototype what fate/zero is to fate/stay night)
Fate/strange fake (if you want more Gilgamesh in his true glory)(its also a pretty good manga)
@@namonaite i agree !
So a while ago a few friends and me watched through this series, I think only one of us had seen it before and he really enjoyed it, so I wanted to give it a chance, and in a way, that's why I'm watching these videos right now, because I actually didn't like the show. I ended up not liking any of the characters outside of Rider and Waver, and the tag team serial killers because everyone else seem stilted and steeped in such a melancholy that I found kind of like watching someone be depressed by choice, not by circumstance or by it being thrust upon them, that isn't to say the cause of their depression wasn't thrust upon them necessarily, but rather I just felt like they were their own worst enemy, who kept themselves sad at times.
I don't think the anime was badly written, but I do think, that the themes that the story aren't new, and aren't necessarily trafficing new grounds or doing something that I haven't seen done elsewhere. I personally also have become kind of tired of the whole down and dreary dark tone that feels overwhelming in some media, so maybe that's part of it too. Now that I feel I've probably said all the problems or reasons I disliked this show, and why I probably wouldn't strongly recommend this to people who have tastes similar to me, I've gotta say it.
The wine party episode is probably the best episode in this show's run, and the buildup to it, and the things that happen in that episode are probably why I'd call watching this show a net positive. Everything my friend had told me he liked this show for was put on display in that episode, and that was an episode that I feel really captured a lot of the magic in the whole backroom plotting and kind of chess game that the series protrays with the families and ideologies and everything coming to a clash.
Gilgamesh is the douche/self-center character.
I would have liked to see him lose a fight
I haven't finished season 2 yet (currently on episode 2 of season 2) but season one was a bit lacklustre for me. Immediately the concept struck me as a bit stupid and thus it was hard to get into it. My problem with it was that it had all these insane concepts and both over-explained them and didn't explain them at all. They explained the what in massive info dumps that were poorly placed but very little of the how or why. I find it hard to take the narrative seriously when they talk about classes and special abilities which to me feel like pandering to a video game loving community. Saber's personality makes no sense to me. She just doesn't strike me as someone who would be willing to lead a large amount of people. I know this is explored later but it just makes her seem boring by comparison. I just feel like her character is really quite bland. I'm assuming more happens in season 2 but I haven't got there yet, my opinion may change. The fights were beyond stupid at first with each attack being telegraphed and explained in great detail. SHOW DON'T TELL. It's one of the main rules of visual storytelling that anime in particular seems to be horrible at. Iksander and Gilgamesh are interesting at least. I know that the motivations of the characters are intentionally muddy but it just makes it hard to follow at times. Why are these two teaming up? I have no idea this is supposed to be a death game is it not? and why are more masters allowed to enter? doesn't that defeat the entire point of the system! why can't more masters be continually entered until they win?? It just annoys me when rules are set up but aren't followed through.
On the positive side I did greatly enjoy the scene with the 3 kings drinking wine. I was hoping that this would be Saber's queue to grow a personality but so far that hasn't happened. I'm still holding out hope though. This show would have worked a lot better if there was a period of truce after all the servants have been summoned where attacks are forbidden up until the grail war actually starts. Then they could interact and have the meaningful situations but actually have context to them not killing each-other that makes sense.
Season 1 currently gets a 7/10 from me.
Edit: Also that redhead girl is more annoying than waver. Her character is ridiculously inconsistent its almost laughable. You get the impression she's supposed to be evil but then they try and portray her sympathetically? then straight back to being evil It makes no sense.
I disagree strongly with nearly all of this except for the fact that the King's banquet was great. But it's interesting to read other perspectives! Thanks for putting a lot of thought into this.
I agree. I did say that I would continue to enjoy your videos even if I disagree with them lol. It's not necessarily disagree with any of the points you made. I just personally feel like the characters were not handled in the best way. The themes of the show are very interesting but the writing is really poor in my eyes. I feel like it has the potential to be excellent, it has great ideas it just falls short on delivering on them. I don't want to sound arrogant but I feel like I could have written a better script for the show that would have made season 1 much more interesting. The reason why I think Saber's character is bland is because she always acts the same way regardless of the situation. Some would say that she has a strong moral code but to me that makes her robotic. I just want to see her get worked up in the things she believes to be right. It just seems like she doesn't really care half the time. She's trying to fill that few words badass role but it's just not interesting when it's been done a million times. The only character trait I can think of to describe her is "honourable" and that's not even really a character trait. I don't know it feels like her character is just really poorly written but people look past that because of her interesting backstory and character design.
TheOnlyRoggol You're entirely misinterpreting what Saber is about IMO. She is definitely not trying to fill a quiet but badass role. But I don't think that you can fully analyze her and what she and her arc represent until you've seen the whole thing. She IS robotic - very mechanical, almost programmed in her actions and responses. But the reasons behind that, and how they develop and what they mean in the thematic context of the story, are why I love her. And that's entirely independent from what I think about her character design.
I did say my opinions may change, I'll see if they do once I've finished the series. Thanks for taking the time to reply though :)
I have just finished season two. It's far far superior to season 1 I will absolutely maintain that season 1 is a poorly written badly paced monstrosity but season 2 was better in pretty much every single way. The exposition was almost nonexistent. SABER GREW A PERSONALITY I WAS SO PROUD! It was dark and depressing and somewhat thought provoking and I enjoyed it quite a lot. Never got super sad about any of the characters dying because I was kinda expecting at least most of them to die from the very start. But overall I'd give fate zero a strong 8 to a light 9.
Fate Stay should be watched first.
Kevin Lucero No, Fate Stay Night should just not be watched at all. Fate/Zero then UBW is currently the best way to watch the Fate series for anime only watchers.
I think you should watch UBW first and then Zero, and after that if you feel really attached to Saber then you should watch Stay Night
Zero is way better after watching FSN. Even though it might be torture to watch you will understand the atmosphere in zero better.
Considering the spoilers meant to be a twist in the heavens feel movies, i say if you can try to watch heavens feel before fate/zero for the true experience as Kinoko Nasu inteneded.