Iskandar quote||What A King Should Be|| Fate/zero
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- Iskandar the king of conquerors(Alexander the great) words on how king should really be from fate/zero
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The Irony of these ideals is that no matter which philosophy they followed all of their kingdoms turned to ruin once they were gone
the difference is, once refused to accept this leading it to ruin in the end, and the other knew this was coming, and only wished to prolong his kingdom even if a little
@Nible3640 isn’t that what a proper king is suppose to do, leave behind people who can stand on their own and not become dependent on a single person, if you ask me, iskandar had every right to call out Artoria and that’s a fact I’m not moving from
@Nible3640 yep
@Nible3640 To be fair said left behind conquerors ended up trying to conquer each other leading to death in that power vacuum mess when he died
A true King should live for more than their own generation. It's the family name that lives on, a dynasty should always seek to maintain legitimacy of their rule and not leave the future crown to the hungry wolves.
One who is always rescued never learns to rescue themselves.
One who can't rescue themself will always suffer in the absence of a savior.
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Sorry to bring politics into it but as a conservative I used this exact reasoning, I personally know a guy who brings the steaks to a party because his family of 3 gets $800 in food stamps alone he thinks it's funny and the GF has never worked a day
that's beautiful man
@@hcook1023are you mad at a guy who brings you guys streaks for free or mad at the politicians and CEOs who robbed the middle class?
@@jokerpilled2535 mostly politicians and bureaucracy the government is absolutely horrid financially, take that as a government employee
So if I’m understanding correctly...
From Iskander perspective a king should be grand and ambitious but at the same time relatable. Someone you can envision fighting for or even being like.
Whereas Saber was more like a saint, a savior; something that’s good to fawn over but impossible to relate with. The standard she held herself to was so high that it was as if she existed in a different world, alienating herself from her own subjects.
Exactly rob Lucci .........she was great king but it's really hard to relate with her in reality
indeed, iskander is a king who choose to live among his people as a person, with all the quality's, ambitions and faults mortal humans have.
saber on the other hand thought that to be and king meant she had to be more than human and thus be distant from them and without the things that come with.
iskander knew he wouldn't be around forever and his kingdom would fall and accepted that. saber couldn't accept that and thus thought to erase that past in hopes of something better taking it's place, but even if something better did come along, it would last either.
"pain and loss define us as much as happiness and love. everything has it's time and everything ends." sarah jane smith, doctor who.
@@chriscant2466 It did not help her mentality that that was exactly the plan. She was supposed to be king for eternity, forever ruling from above as everyone around her died of old age.
Like a machine she would act as the organiser and guide for her people... forever. She and EMIYA are exactly alike in this regard. They threw away everything for a singular goal, even if that meant an eternal damnation.
Iskander lived his life as if he would die and so lived as fully as possible. Arturia lived her life as if she would never die and so chose to not to live.
@@Gravora oh that's right, i forgot her sheath avalon essentially made her immortal; i don't think she ever considered ever losing that.
also while similar there are some differences between EMIYA and saber; when emiya accepted he thought of it as reward at first. being able to save people forever, what more could he ever ask for . . . until he found out the hard way that the duty of a counter guardian is not what he thought it was.
saber saw it as a duty, a responsibility only she and she alone could up hold and that meant immortality was what was needed to achieve that. she found out what happens when you live apart from the people you a trying rule does, but like you said her mentality didn't help.
@@chriscant2466 From what I understand about it I do not even think EMIYA thought being a counter guardian was a reward. No more than we could consider being allowed to breath would be.
EMIYA was empty of purpose except the one that Kiritsugu inadvertently gave him. You take away his desire to help people then he essentially would be an empty doll. Something which he makes clear when he retells his survival of the fire. He threw himself away.
I think, personally, this is the same as Saber as well. She was not as broken as EMIYA but you could argue she had been brainwashed, by Merlin and her brother Kay, to be a certain way for the good of the country; and she, like EMIYA, was gently guided to her role by the pressures around her and the self-sacrifice of their own identity, for one reason or another.
Saber fought for good, but forgot the people she was meant to serve.
Iskandar fought for himself, but never forgot the strength his people gave him.
Tell me you know nothing about saber without telling me you know nothing about her..
She never forgot the people, she simply distanced herself from them to protect them but by doing so they never learned how to protect themselves
She fights ideals she thinks her people want from her never bother to actually face the people she fights for
I actually kinda get it. Just cause Artoria was a king doesn’t mean she had to always be selfless. She never developed any selfish desires of her own and it led to everyone calling her inhuman, and her knights turning on her
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Agreed
Except no. That was a minor issue. The reason camelot went to shit was due to power struggles.
@@hadougodmagsarion yeah, a power struggle caused by the things said above.
@@insufferableanarchist nope. The power struggles were entirely separate. There were but a few who made a fuss because saber didnt "connect" with the people but they werent the main culprits. Like i said it was entirely separate. Zero tried to paint saber as some naive king but she wasnt really that naive. There is a reason zero is such a controversial topic when it comes to saber's character
I would like to think that this speech is what made Saber´s wish of never drawing excalibur, to just be a normal girl, given that now she sees how she was unfit for the role of King (given Iskandar´s perspective of what a King should be).
I thought she outright said as much at the end of zero.
She pulled Caliburn from the stone, she later got excaliber from the lady of the lake after caliburn was stolen from her/destroyed in battle. Caliburn is the sword of kings n Excalibur is the sword of promised victory.
Iskandars speech gave the first crack and doubt to Saber's hard headed ideals, but the final nail that crack her whole hard headedness is the fact the berserker with so much rage she faced in the war is one of her loyal knights " Lancelot," she finally snap and saw what she did wrong, with Lancelots rage burning aflame blaming her and Iskander's slapping the definition of what a true king to her face, gave her the realization that a king is a savior and also a LEADER, she didn't lead her people, she only saved them, she's being so selfless that she became a entity that no one would like to follow in her path, thats why theres a huge difference of being a hero and a king(leader)
I would gladly join Iskandar, who else?
I would join Broskhandar too.
Same
Aye
He is a true king, inspiring his people to become better is the mark of a king
Yea
It's worth noting that Artoria at first doubted Iskandar's philosophy on kingship, but when he used his noble phantasm, she saw firsthand how Iskandar's entire army was so loyal to him that they continued to follow him, even after death. When she witnessed that, there was no denying Iskandar's philosophy, which led to Artoria having a crisis of faith...
Yup She may stand as one of the greatest kings and warriors in all of history...she always stands alone. Iskandar meanwhile is never alone.
Unfortunately many kings use their soldiers as pawns instead of brothers in arms.
The fact that his noble Phantasm is his entire army, while hers is just a huge Swordslash is *exactly* the kind of storytelling through power that makes me love Fate/Zero. The abilities they have reflect their personalities PERFECTLY.
“…this is what it means to be a king: to be first in every desperate attack and last in every desperate retreat, and when there’s hunger in the land (as must be now and then in bad years) to wear finer clothes and laugh louder over a scantier meal than any man in your land.” - King Lune of Archenland (The Chronicles of Narnia)
Every character on this series represents and follows a philosophy.
Iskandar: philosophical egoism
Saber: deontology
Giglamesh: hedonism
Kiritsugu: utilitarianism
So who is your idol here?
@@mugiwaraboyaa9406 Iskandar, his philosophy is amazing. Although I love each one of these characters.
Same I love everyone but for me Iskandar is more inspirational 👊
@@mugiwaraboyaa9406 yes, he was an inspiration for me on my own life, that helped me to overcome a period of great difficulty. And I find much more reason on his view too.
@@mugiwaraboyaa9406 Mugiwara if you chose Iskandar, Iskandar would not love everyone else, that is called Pride
This is the biggest "gimmie yo ring" energy within a speech I've ever heard😭
Ambition through greed. Peace through laughter. And purposeful aggression through rage.
Rider is my favorite character from fate series nice video
U r not supposed to say just rider, there a lot of riders in the fate series
@@joshuacaleb6954 Implying the other Riders worth remembering.
What I can interpret here is that since Saber's ideals demand altruism her enemy would be herself (her own desires) leading her people like that would also reqire them to battle their own desires or even set them aside for the good of others. Saber's path of kingship includes to always be ready to make decisions that might force you to give up what you hold dear and make choices you do not want to make. All that, inspired by a dream of a just and peaceful world.
Iskanders ideals are obviously quite the opposite. The enemy he is facing is not himself but the world. By embracing his own desires no matter in which form they take (rage or kindness), he accepts himself and has therefore to impose his will on the entire world as a conquerer. He inspires his people with the dream that their own desires are worth fighting for. Even if it means that others might not want these desires to come true and that a conflict that you cannot win is unavoidable.
Though Iskander took his time to belittle saber's philosophy of ruling, his also bares the risk of leaving one's allies behind and disregard their desires, not by forcing them to set aside their goals for others, but by focusing only on your own.
To me both aspects of their kingship are necessary to be a functional king, any sort of leader or mayebe even a person in general. I think the scene discusses how to prioritize your goals or needs with the needs of people you want to be with or value in any other way.
I don't think you totally got what Iskandar said, embodying all extremes means you also being willing to sacrifice yourself for the good of the people more than anyone else would. All he was trying to say was her way of king wasn't wrong, it's that it was far too removed from reality. Nice observation tho, I agreed till I came to realize you kinda missed the mark a bit, both of their ways were necessary yes, but that's exactly what Iskandar was saying. He knew his way of king was flawed too, he's realized his mistakes and accepted his flaws, thus the reason why he doesn't pursue the grail to change his past. That's why he said a selfish king is 'better' than a figure head, there was a comparison, he didn't say the best. You're right on the fact that there must be a balance, but that's exactly what he was trying to make her see.
@@44_bulldogTFuck that shit. All of Iskandar's allies killed themselves after his death.
Iskandar burned her so hard, that Gilgamesh started to like him.
Iskander was right without even knowing it. Just look at Mordred the personification of "abandoned them when they lost their way" if she took just a little bit of effort to connect or just not drive her away her country and herself wouldn't have fallen
Technically he knows that Saber "abandoned them when they lost their way" (atleast if he knew that she was Arthuria -forget if he knew that allready-) because Servents get information about the History when they are summoned.
Thats why they normally dont say who they are
I disagree. Her country was destined to fall. Its a quantum time loop . She didn't abandon mordred either. She just didn't accept mordred as her successor because mordred never was capable of being a king. She didn't drive away her nation . Thats not consistent with lord
It hits so hard after you see sir Lancelot, iskandar is the one true servant, no, one true king
If she was just a mere foot soldier, like Ushiwakamaru, who had similar ideas:
"I don't wanna see anyone other than myself cry, and I would like to prevent it from happening."
I think Artoria would have fared better.
In the end
Gilgamesh wins
The one that held a bit of both
In short, a King must serve as an ideal for their people, not serve an ideal for their people. A force of aspiration and an uplifting symbol to push not only themselves but also the people that believe in them to greater heights.
I wonder if their different philosophies stem from their upbringings and sources of royalty. Saber/Artoria was essentially destined to be king and more or less became one simply because she pulled Excalibur from the Stone, thus her Kingship stemmed from Divine Providence and in turn made her believe a King needed to act differently from others while Alexander/Rider became a king through earning it rather than simply having it handed to him and had a more grounded mindset.
Saber and Iskandar are the epitome of the saying “Give a man a fish and he’ll eat for a day. Teach a man to fish and he’ll eat for a lifetime.”
Saber saves people. Iskandar inspires people to save themselves.
Always enjoy seeing Rider love! He is my favorite character in all of fiction.
We need characters like him in real life too
Ironically, Arturia Alter's only response would simply be: So anyway, I started slashing.
A King leads and abandons no one even if they are your enemies. Its amazing how anime attempts to explore some of the most ambitious, philosophical themes ever presented in media. Iskandar's philosophy is a controversial one but one which it is also hard to see the value in. His philosophy is flawed, he was a tyrant however, he shows that it is simply not enough to be the martyr, like Saber constantly saving her people, but abandoning them when they become evil to her eyes. You must lead, especially those that disagree with you, because otherwise, your dreams are not worthy for the dreams of a King.
The one of the greatest text in fate next to gilles de rais.
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i think that what he is saying is that a king is supposed to embody everything that makes his people them, both the good and the bad. to show his people and those he concours not only who they are but to inspier them that they can be greater then what they see themselves as and to not be afraid of the challenges that come from the atempt regardless of success or faliure. to aspire to be more than what life has giving you is what he wanted to embody as king.
Iskandar's words mostly revolved around the selfishness and greed of Kings being what show their people the way of kings.
Which I can agree with to a point, but I do argue that he didn’t know the whole story behind Arturia's grief.
However I do agree that Arturia's wish to erase her time as the King of Knights; would be nothing short of an insult to all who followed her.
But Iskandar is showing the right example of how a king should be..... I would say that saber is more like hero who wants to save everyone anyways if you liked the content do share with your friends and checkout other quotes too on channel and aslo do like, share and subscribe
@@mugiwaraboyaa9406 They both have real solid points, that if I was a king, I would be something of a mix between the two ideals. I'd live life louder than another, while lifting up my subjects and empowering them since a kingdom is nothing without her people. Be a person who is worth following, that way when I'm gone, my legacy will out live me. At least that's what I figure.
Like emperor of mankind
@@whiteeye9584 I'll be honest, my knowlege on the Emperor of mankind's thought process is...limited, but from what I understand his way of ruling and interacting with those around him seemed kind of similar to how Saber did when she was king.
It doesn't help that his and the imperiums downfall is parallel to saber's .
its like hes saying that a king inspires their people. she led the life of a martyr, what is the end of a martyr? She inspired her people to sacrifice, he inspired his people to conquer.
Not to mention the scene of Iskandar using his Ultimate after this to prove his point to her.
Gilgamesh served himself for himself.
Arthur served others for herself.
Iskandar served himself for others.
A beautifully written trio of kings that ruled since fallen kingdoms.
ya know..i wonder something..iskanders words of "those who were saved by you but then were left to fend for themselves" sounds eeily similar to acher emiya's "salvation at the hands of another is never true." line. Makes me wonder if iskander had been resummoned in the fifth war what he wouldve thought of a man like shiro emiya and his archer self
He probably would have seen him as just another saber who only saves them, never teaches them to save them selves.
I don't think he would have liked archer in the end. All Archer did was give up everything to try and be a hero and then got screwed over because of it. That's the result of a selfless wish to save others being twisted into not saving yourself. Like sure it's fine to dream of being a hero who saves others but if it the cost is you losing yourself then that's not a dream worth pursuing
Damn Iskandar, that was more cutting than saber's sword.
When I imagine my ending the only ending I ever see fit for me is where I scar the world, blaze the Heavens and shake the depths of Hell to its very core. That’s the only end I will ever truly allow, anything else is just a brief nap, and time to stretch and gain my momentum.
Funny how that same philosophy of what a King should be lead all their kingdoms and empires to their end once their king had died.
Alexander the Great may have conquered the Persian Empire but his kingdom had fallen once he died.
The difference is that he doesnt regret what happend to his Kingdom he may mourn it and shed tears over its demise but he doesnt regret it.
@@f.w.3823 He saw that it was best to remain in the present and look forward to the journey ahead.
@@JapanFreak2595 It more than that. In his opinion regretting his action would be an insult towards those who followed his great vision.
Indeed it fell. But why did it fell? Was it conquered by enemies? Or did his people led to its destruction following their dreams? That's the main difference here.
Alexander created a huge empire and the only thing that kept it together at the beginning was his towering presence. Had he lived another 5 to 10 years he could have consolidated his dynasty and the empire might have endured. But he didn't, and his followers were people capable of leading nations. The only reason they followed him was because they acknowledge him as greater they they were. Cassander, Ptolemy, Antigonus, Seleucus, and so many others. Each of them an accomplished general and politician and capable of ruling. Do you honestly believe that these people would have accepted the subordinate role to each other? They bowed to no one except Alexander. That is what led to the fracturing of the empire. And note that his people didn't fall immediately, the Hellenistic kingdoms still existed for more than 300 years after Alexander's death. So no, he might mourn for the end of his united empire, but his people knew how to live after his death and continued to live and thrive in their kingdoms. His vision and way of kingship taught his people how to survive and live. And they did.
What about Artoria's kingdom though? Did her people survive her death? No, they didn't. After her death Camelot was no more, the land was conquered by the Saxons and the last Roman Celts were driven to Wales, forced to pay homage to the new English rulers. Her way of kingship made her people dependent on their ruler and they didn't know how to live without her. Her way of the king was not something that anyone after her was willing to emulate, indeed I don't even think that anyone ever truly understood her way of life and thinking. That's the difference between them and what Alexander is criticizing specifically.
I love Arturia, but she is acting as a knight, not as a king should. And that's the problem. A knight is obliged to serve the people and his lord. A king is supposed to lead his people. To offer them a dream and something to aspire to. He needs to be greedy and seek more. He has to always try to benefit his country and people. And through them, to fulfill his ambitions.
ahh,death ruler..
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All kingdoms rise and fall.
No matter the ideals or its people. It is within human nature.
The debacle of true or false king is another of that of diverging views in life.
Both could serve its people and save it. But much like a flame. The ideals sputter and fade over time and get reduced to nothing - if not crushed by an oposing ideal.
To that end nobody can argue that a king should embody good and evil to its extremes and rage longer than the subjects he commands and even opposing kingdoms.
I love saber, but i cannot help but think she is wrong.
I love the tale of artorias as it is, but this gave me new perspective. Kindness - is merely status. In the end it matters not if you were cruel nor kind in life.
Its merely what bed you want to die on.
A comfortable one surrounded by your loved ones.
Or one without people by your side - or rather those plotting to take the throne..... but alas.... strength is bred by agrression and not passivity.
So a true king could argue that surrounding himself with men of power and extremes is best for its people.
An argument as old and long as the tale of time....
No one is coming to save you. Fight and teach others how to fight.
Saber was a hero Iskander was a King
one saved them and one raised them up.
INDEED
Atorias biggest failure was as a father. She refused to accept her son who only wanted to prove he was worthy. That led to the downfall of her kingdom, for she refused to acknowledge the person who needed her saving most.
Like iskandar said she never led her people and this point can be best seen with mordred. Artoria never led mordred down the path to have the true ideals of kingship. She only denounced her because artoria didn’t see her ideals of kingship in mordred and never bothered to guide her to those ideals. Instead she only allowed mordred’s resentment to fester and expand.
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When I first saw this episode and this speech I remember the Opis Mutiny. Alexander the Great was going to send veterans, older soldiers, the wounded, and disabled home but the soldiers mutinied. Alexander killed 13 of the ringleaders and then gave a speech that detailed their conquest and everything the army did together. He basically pointed out that he is a soldier too and everything they did he did too. He owns what they own and he goes what they go through. He then told them to leave because he would not force them to stay but that that's an action they have to live with themselves. There was also the Hyphasis Mutiny where the soldiers mutinied bc they got too tired and weary but Alexander urged them to keep going to unite the land and achieve the impossible, but his soldiers actually talked him out of it so he turned the army back.
I think Fate reflected his attitude very well in the anime; he was tough when it needed to be, greedy when he should be, but humble to realize when he needed to listen.
no fucking way I was thinking about this speech while showering yesterday and this randomly pops up on my feed today. I dont even watch fate content
from what i understand here, Artoria give her people fish but never teach them how to fish while Alexander is the other way around
Yet that kingdom continued, while the other fell into the ruin, sparked by that sheer spark of greed.
Tho really I do wish it was a back and forth of ideals as opposed to what it sounded like him telling her off.
IDK, do you consider modern day UK the same as Camelot?
She wasn't the king of the Angelo-Saxons, she was of the people before them. Artoria doesn't see the UK as her kingdom, but as the conquerors that ended it. Calling it 'that kingdom continued' would be like calling modern Italy the continued Roman Empire, ignoring the Lombards that conquered Italy, and whose kingdom truly evolved into what exists today.
Also Artoria and Mordred died to each other while fighting over the throne. Not sure calling out Iskander's empire for falling to greed after his death says worse about his rule than the one who died while killing her son after a usurpation of the throne
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Iskandar's Empire was already falling apart while he was alive thou, much worse than Saber who has to fight tooth and nail to keep her kingdom floating while being surrounded in every single direction by enemies to be entirely honest.
Like, his "loyal army" basically turned on him when he made the unreasonable demand of invading India, saying that he's basically telling them to go their deaths for a meaningless invasion. In turn he started doubting his close advisors and started killing some of them willy nilly.
Some say that he was poisoned because the people finally had enough of his nonsense. Iskandar did more conquering than he actually did ruling, and that was basically his downfall once people got sick and tired of fighting.
Iskandar: Happy>People Miserable>Die.
Saber: Worry>People do Ok>Die.
Remember, for all of the "The king isn't human" thing, the common citizen never actually turned against Saber, they didn't understand her, yes, but no one denies that she didn't do a damn fine job.
It was her son leading a militant force following a royal scandal that killed off or crippled most of her allies that did her in.
''everything that has a beginning has a end''
Iskandar's empire didn't last very long.
But he doesn't regret it. For its creation and its end were both determined by the same people. Its heirs were the same mighty heroes and generals who fought with him in the deserts and the plains. How could it end any way else?
All hail iskandar
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I've listened to this numerous times and what Iskander says here is 100% true. A king should be somebody who's a leader and one you admire and follow not because that's what you're supposed to do but it's because you yourself wish to. A true king is one of his people. He isn't above them. He isn't on some higher plane of existence. He's somebody who embodies what a leader and in Iskander's mind a conquerer should be at their very core. Somebody who you would give your life for without a thought but at the same time you know would do the same for each of his people without question. The problem with Saber is that she wasn't a leader. She was a savior. Those two things are massively different in many ways but in this case there's just one that applies here. She stepped in to save her people and that's fine and a noble thing to do to be sure. The problem is that it's all she ever did. Time and time again she saved her people but never taught them to save themselves. You can see the difference when Iskander uses his Noble Phantasm. He has all of his people he led following him even in death. Then you have Saber who sits alone on top of a hill that overlooks countless corpses representing the people she saved but left helpless after she was gone. She even says it a few times when talking about her wish for the Grail. She wants to go back and SAVE her people. What good would that do? Some cataclysmic event happened and she wanted to go back and save them from it but who's to say another one wouldn't happen the next day, the next week, the next year? Every path at the end of her reign as a "king" is the same. An inevitable demise for her people because she never showed them what a true king should embody. So after she is gone nobody knows how to step up and lead those that are left behind since they had a reliance on the savior to take care of them
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he might now be the strongest flashiest but godamn he's the gigachad of all
While I admire Iskandar's philosophy, I myself have more in common with Saber's devotion to her ideals, and disagree with Iskandar's idea of the King being a Duality. I believe in holding yourself to the highest standard possible, no matter your rank or social status and not backing down if you can help it.
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I think the real reason rider dislikes sabers ideology so much is because of the level of regret she shows. Like he said you can mourn it and cry over it , but never show regret. Doing so would be an insult to everyone who followed and trusted you, who bled and died for you, and to say you want to just undo it all says that she thinks their sacrifices had no real meaning in the end, and that they died for nothing. But they didn't, they died serving a person they believed in and for a cause and purpose they were proud of. To change all that to never exist who be the greatest act of betrayal and disrespect I can imagine.
@@formicstrike9041 True, while I believe in upholding ideals, regretting decisions is only warranted if you did something wrong. Saber beats herself up way too much.
True indeed. I agree with what iskander intended to do to saber, to free her from her guilt. But his philosophy is nothing more than a sophistry. Saber's not one of my favorite characters but her thoughts in ep11 was making more sense than rider's. Felt like iskander's kingship and philosophy only exist in order ot makr iskander look badass.
This scene even Gigguk likes it and to me I love it to just 3 kings to clear what their stories end up in
So basically
Saber: Protects
Iskandar: Inspires
he became one of my favorite riders after this
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*imagines Mordred giving a fist bump to Iskandar*
Artoria: (THAT F***ING HURTS MAN)
Dang Biden needs lesson from Iskander badly
He wouldn’t remember it after 10 minutes
"However"
I think the truth lies in the middle, as Aristotle would say. A leader must be someone whose behaviour is saintly but also splendorous enough so that people would want to follow in their footsteps and live up to their example.
Iskander is basically Rebellion!BobbyB
I typed in “Iskander schools Saber” and this came up
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Saber: Ok Iskander my kingdom has fallen... I take that L...
But say, what happened to Rome again after you died, living a life following your ideals?
Rider: ....
Saber: Unless you don't have anything important to say...
Rider: Shut up and drink your wine...
Well unlike artoria who's kingdom fell when she was present, iskandars own continued on, even it was for a short time, it stood until it fell.
The problem with Artoria is that she has the essense of a dragon inside and her and was raised by Merlin who leans strongly on his incubus side.She was destined to be incompatible with humanity because of these two factors.She was raised to be and strive to be a perfect king and she easily embraced it because of the inhuman part of her which makes it look logical and feasible.If she was more open and not a martyr that makes everything herself and keeps others at bay, she would in theory never have been betrayed but even if Merlin taught her better, the fact she was born with dragonic factor and had to lead Britain out of the Age of Mystery would bring her conflict with people anyway, as most if not all of her desisions would be too inhuman in the logic behind them and of course, no one would understand her and what isn't understood ends up being feared and later hated.
About Iskandar’s line “You may have indeed saved them, but you’ve never led them.”, is he saying that Artoria didn’t help his knights with their personal problems, like Lancelot’s lust?
No, he means that she was far too distant.
Her idea of a king is basically a civil servant or a protector, one who fights by themselves and doing everything themselves
It wouldn’t be strange to think she wasn’t human, sure she looks, talks, and bleeds like a human, but she never had that one important component, worldly desires or more accurately the seven deadly sins that reside in all humans.
Example:
She never lusted after someone
She never was greedy
She never envied
She never experienced gluttony
She was never wrathful
She never experienced sloth
And she never took pride in herself as a individual
She never had those qualities so she was seen as inhuman, the seven deadly sins exist because they make people people, the ambition for wealth comes from greed, love comes from lust, sense of one’s worth is pride, the drive for knowledge is a form of gluttony, the power to fight and protect the one’s you love comes from wrath, innovation is born through the thinking of “what if there is a better way” aka sloth, and the admiration children have for heroes is envy.
The Seven deadly sins aren’t bad or good because they are part of us, the purest part because it’s not purely good or evil. Artoria was different, too different, and that was the problem she didn’t have any substance, just the constant self sacrifice and forcing her followers to do the same, which in a way is selfish. And would you serve someone like that, a person who has cast aside their natural human desires never acknowledging them, to go to a battlefield feeling practically alone even when your lord and master is right next to you, to constantly be force to do things without gaining anything, are okay with being a slave to what’s right and not decided your own decisions? “A man chooses, a slave obeys”, a quote that says a lot, the path to kingship is long and blinding, it can be as dark as a black hole or as bright as a white dwarf star, in the end no matter how much you or your friends and allies walk it it’s impossible to see what’s up ahead, Artoria ran ahead leaving her friends and trusted allies to die alone on the battlefields they fought, while Ishkandar ran with his friends and trusted allies fighting, even when he was far ahead on the battlefield he was still right next to them.
Artoria placed herself on a pedestal so high to the point she was unreachable
Alexander placed himself on a pedestal too but high enough to be admired and low enough to be relatable
That’s my way of explaining.
@@thegooneygamerboy5302dont the 7 deadly sins cause more trouble than there worth and would be better gone?
@@audreyharris7643Yes they do but they also make what who we are. We are lustful, prideful, greed, enviable, gluttonous, angry, and lazy but that doesn’t mean we can just ignore those qualities. What we must do is control them, bottling them up has never helped and just letting them loose only harms others, hell imagine yourself without these sins good and bad. Not very good am I right? Without greed yes people in power will stop cutting corners and actually care those beneath them but that also means we loose the drive to be anything in life. Without envy yes people will also stop trying to bring people down for the pettiest of reasons but most people look up to others cause we envy them. Without sloth yes people will be doing more in life but I think we can agree the feeling of laziness is far too comfortable to give up. With wrath, we’ll that’s pretty self explanatory. Without lust, there will be no more humans and physical attraction to other people is what gets you to pursue a lover interest. Without gluttony, we can loose our desire to learn. And without pride, we would have no sense of self respect in our lives, just because they are called the seven deadly SINS doesn’t mean they are entirely bad. Hell, try think of life with JUST the seven virtues, the two balance each other out, if you think life would be bad if we ONLY had the seven sins them it would be safe to say the same could be said of the seven virtues in its own way.
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From gintama
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Best criticism of Christianity ever.
Saber’s path of kingship was one of ideals, fairness and justice. This path was too hard for the people of her era to follow, but unlike dreams ideals can live on. Iskandar was a great king because he followed his human desires and dreams above all else, but just like most kings what he leaves behind after his death is a power struggle followed by more destruction. This is why the very concept of kings and monarchy has been abandones by modern society. For saber to undo her past would be undermining everything she fought for, because those ideals lived on beyond the destruction of her kingdom and could inspire future generations to create a better world. She chose a path of kingship that was perfect for an immoral nation that was destined to fall, by creating ideals that inspire a fair and just society for the future. While iskandar is right about the meaning of a king, ultimately as we see in his fight against gilgamesh, dreams die when the dreamer ends. Iskandar also grows in realizing that he wants a better future for his friend waver rather than to see him die against gilgamesh, so he tells him to live on.
Both Artoria's and Iskandar's ideals are both right and wrong at the same time. However if we are going to look into the legacy they had left Artoria's kingdom fell alongside with her after Mordred's Rebellion I mean sure they lived on through the myths and the literatures of Men but thats the problem Artoria just simply fell into a non existent fairy tale myth just like the Gods of Fateverse.
Iskandar on the other hand, people had not realized that his greatest legacy was not the extent of his Empire but rather the fracturing of his Empire itself because from the petty kingdoms that rose after Iskandar's death came forth new Cultures, Wisdoms and Discoveries that would not only be forever etched in the histories of Mankind but would also continue to influence the growth of Humanity up to this day.
The greatest anime conversation of all time
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Saber: a king serves for their people
Rider: a king serves with their people
Gilgamesh: a king (a**hole) serves above their people
🤣 you nailed it
Being British I stand with saber
Indian British?
But saber is welsh not british
Thank you for the video! Iskander was great and was right about Saber. May Jesus Christ be with you.
Artoria was ultimately the greatest of the kings
However she reigned so selflessly, so perfectly no one ever tried to reach her, to become the next her
She was seen as something above a person, no simply the greatest of her people
Alexander however by using his ideals inspired his people to become the next him, which ultimately tore his nation apart
Artoria alienated and inspired too little, and left no future beyond herself
And Alexander inspired too many, and had his people tear themselves apart
Both Kings had their pros and cons.
Saber is Welsh ergo Celtic, right? Than I'm sorry to say she pulled the short straw. The Celts once ruled most of Europe once, then Rome broke them and the Saxons conquered the rest. The Greeks, though conquered in the past, at least have their own language still, the remaining Celts (Wales, Ireland and Scotland) speak English - a Germanic language.
And people say the dub is trash
Iskander is right. He inspired his own ppl to fallow their desire to be like him. To be great!
While Artoria sacrificed herself and her retainers, so ppl would be safe once. Not showing them way to the future.
A king should be someone that-
STOPS CRIMINAL SCUM THAT VIOLATED THE LAW
I think Saber's philosophy wasn't wrong I just think she went about it in the wrong way she detached herself from emotion and therefore became detached from her people this made her someone that couldn't relate to them so while she did indeed protect them she lost sight of them an individual people just look at Mordred as a prime example here.
I understand both of there points if I was a king I would try to follow ishkandar and saber way of kingship you see in my eyes a king is someone who would put there people before themselves and there kingdom because a king is nothing without his people while I also believe that a king should be a tyrant on some degree conquer and increase there territory while having some selfish desire of there own for without desire one isn't human there nothing but machines there is know such thing as a perfect human much less a perfect king without flaws we wouldn't be human everyone has sins we are greedy selfish ignorant faithless sinful cruel and murders in our bloody history we killed millions trillions billions and kill our own planet by throwing trash and oil into the oceans kill plants and cut down trees and kill animals and for what pure ignorance and indifference from the suffering of others showing no care compassion of sympathy for anyone but themselves that is selfishness And ignorance one and many people used gods name in vain like when joan of arc was burned alive because the english were angry because she was responsible for so many victories against them saying it is gods will that is complete bullshit and they knew but that is our history you see history is here so that we can learn from our mistakes and improve our selves which is what I think a king should be someone that teaches there people pave the way to a glorious future and to fend for themselves and act accordingly when there king dies king Alexander kingdom is actually a perfect example they completely destroyed themselves the second there precious king died here is the point I am trying to make humans are flawed by nature even the gods aren't perfect so a king has to be someone that understands there people the way they think how they laugh cry Mourn and celebrate feel what they feel think what they think because a perfect king that doesn't feel any emotions or have any flaws are not kings or even a person they are nothing but a puppet emotionless and non living
If Saber’s words came out of the mouth of an actual saint like Jeanne D Arc then I imagine they probably would have accepted Saber’s self sacrificing ideology, and her intent to martyr herself. Probably would have respected it too, as that is the role and duty as a saint to their people. But Saber is not a saint, she is a ruler. And the fact she wants to take up a job unfit for a king is appalling to them
You have to remember too that Jeanne was martyred by the English church as a witch for all her troubles & sacrifices. Her end, like Saber’s, was tragic.
so was he saying to her she might have meant well. But she did not know or understand her people or anything? That she tried to be great a king that all could be proud of, but distanced herself from others never truly getting to know them.
the only thing she didnt sacrifice were here ideals
Tch, Iskander is truely the most ideal example of a king... and also the most foolish and naïve.
Anybody with half a brain cell will realize that anyone who tries to emulate him will instead always, ALWAYS end up turning into Gilgamesh while deluding himself that he's really Autoria.
He's the living embodiment of a fluke or a childish fantasy at best.
It's true that his dreams and way of living life are totally unrealistic but even if we have small percent of dreams like him that is also going to make us happy like "ignoring people and living lives by our own rules" these types of people are rarely seen in today's society, scientist which were considered to be mad for asking why apple falls from tree or making vehicles which can fly, etc would be really happy if i meet someone like him and he shares his dreams and goals with me even iskandar said that it is not necessary that ur dream should always come true but definitely chasing those dream is going to be adventurous and fun in life and as u know we mens are always in search of adventure 😏......so it's not wrong to have some childish dream we get to live only once consider that too
"always, ALWAYS end up turning into Gilgamesh" Is that a bad thing?
@@DarkAdonisVyers YES!!!
The guy's a hedonistic creep who would gladly use us and then toss us away based purely on whim and fancy!
@@MasterSwodude, that's not Gilgamesh, his kingdom is his property and he takes care of his property very carefully as a slight blemish on his kingdom is a blemish on himself.
@@mugiwaraboyaa9406 He is mad, but "all the best people are"
He is correct
A king who serves vs a king who is served. In the end I don’t think either of them is wrong
a king leads, a squire serves.
if the king serves, then there's no need for a king.
Welp it's nice to see that only person who Gilgamesh ever rescpected was Alexander and Kirei and second one was his master and object of curiosity, then first one was only one to make him use EA. If not Gilgamesh had his sword Alexander would probably win the war since Saber wouldn't defeat his whole army in one blow, Lancer would obviously get wrecked same with assasin, Sorcerer would have to first prepare his monster only then he could win. So basically Alexander the Great= Giga chad
I love how he is wrong as well, ignoring his charisma he is an delusional egomaniac same as every other king at the banquet
Better than some carpenter who can do nothing but talk.
@@DarkAdonisVyers who are you referring to, Jesus?
@@gedaliahakselrod777 Yes.
@@DarkAdonisVyers The carpenter did fockin miracles, and he encouraged people to not be assholes to each other, Alexander asked people to join him in mass slaughter and pillaging.
Say what you will I know which one I prefer
@@gedaliahakselrod777 Parlor tricks. No, he taught people how to delude themselves to value their weakness (slave morality) because they did not have real power, rather than teaching them how to get power (master morality).
I to would join Iskandar.
Hes not wrong while we all love saber she was a very flawed king .
destroying saber 69th time
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Join the Iskandar? Why i must follow him if I could be same as him??
We revere saints and martyrs, but "who could ever dream of such an ending?"
Almost nobody says "I want to die horribly in a way that inspires others." Most people want to die peacefully with their family, or in defense of someone they love.
By being the king and savior _and_ martyr, Artoria embodied something her men could never aspire to be. And by taking all their pains and evils, shouldering every burden, she made her people weak, and unable to lead themselves. When the end came, her kingdom fell apart with no leaders to save them. While when Iskandar died, his empire also fell apart, into successor kingdoms under the rule of men who learned from his example.
Chad pre-Christian vs. Virgin post-Christian.
What makes either side what you call them
@@audreyharris7643 Historically, Alexander was not a Christian, while Arthur was. The result is obvious. One is super apologetic about everything.
@@DarkAdonisVyers from what I've seen you can be a Christian and not over apologize thats a bad trait to have anyway
@@audreyharris7643 Isn't Christian theology all about apologizing for the "original sin"?
@@DarkAdonisVyers not to my knowledge it's more so about quelling and fighting the wickedness temptation and sin within you and go on a good path connected to God.
Tbh I've ever only been told about the first sin not told to constantly apologize for it only for the sins you do
What is this soundtrack called?
don't know i will search.....also check other quotes on channel and share too
Found it. Its fate and tragedy!
@@drenirezari3838 thank u i will update it and also if u got any idea to upload quotes from any anime then do let me know
Saber + Iskandar = Optimus Prime (G1/IDW/Prime, not movies)
Change my mind
Wasn't this originally on words beyond fiction?
Nope where did you find this quote anywhere on yt except here?