@Bryce Czirr That still costs more than a current gen console. Not worth it yet. The consoles are more affordable right now and they handle the new games quite well.
@Bryce Czirr Yeah I got a 3070 online from best buy for $500. This was back when everyone was spamming for it during Christmas too. Could sell it for 1 grand right now if I wanted too.
It would take ages but they chose to do this for a job and 1 have a team to work together and they get a head start on it by getting the code early. Not saying I don't appreciate what they do
@@mcsherlocks yeah but it still a lot of work that goes into these videos regardless, I applaud digital foundry for getting these videos out in quick succession
Imagine consuming this type of content and actually obsessing about these silly, minuscule details/pixels. DF and their entire fanbase are VIRGINS for life. Sad!
Yeah, thats sounds like a great idea, putting in Ray Tracing and cutting it down until it's barely noticeable. I get quarter resolution stuff, performance reasons, of course, but not using rt on water and using rt shadows only for sun and without alpha. I mean what's even a point of this? At least give us Crytek style console variables to play around and remove all those restrictions..
AMD sponsored game so they were probably forced to cut down RT to make it actually playable on AMD gpus and removed the higher settings to make it less embarrassing.
"far better RT" doubt It's far from being much better, it only performs a bit better because nvidia is at its second generation of RT while AMD is at his first. RT performance of current AMD cards are equivalent of Turing, which is not bad at all. Other AMD sponsored titles have great RT, stop sharing misinformation.
I love how you're one of the few pointing stuttering problems in games, that's the first step to make devs more careful since it's a very boring thing.
And the worst part is that these stutter issues become an even bigger problem on lower spec machines. I am only running a Ryzen 5 3600, 3200CL16 Ram overclocked to 3600 (with mediocre timings), a cheap Sata SSD, and the stutter in games such as Far Cry 5 and Jedi: Fallen Order was unbearable, way worse than what was shown here in the video. Since most consumers have somewhat similar machines to my own, and don't all own a beastly 10900k, their experience will be somewhat similar to mine which is a serious issue.
@@BlindBison Same, actually stuttering above 60 fps is like a punch in the eyes, sure everyone has a different tolerance but stutter from 144 or above to 40 completely ruin the experience and make useless building a new powerful pc. Sadly these days most games stutters to some degree, and thanks god someone big like Digital Foundry is starting to point out this problem which in my opinion is one of the biggest plague in modern gaming.
The stuttering every few seconds on a 9900k and a 3090 is unacceptable. I'll be at 4k over 60 fps the entire time, but it'll still stutter randomly with an m2 ssd. They need to fix the CPU core bounding issues.
Same here i play at 4k max settings with an rtx 3090 and i9 9900k. So far only high settings with RT off runs butter smooth and free of stutter, we just have to wait for patches.
I have a 3090 and a 10980XE. Huge stutter while driving. Unacceptable in 2021. I play the game at 4K maxed out with HD textures but no RTX (I am not a fan of it in general).
@@nl5670 The issue i have with RTX is i haven't seen any games that currently can do Raytracing and water deformity together. When a car drives through a puddle for instance it really should affect the reflection. I had this issue with Watch Dogs Legions as well. It would be pouring with rain and the cars drive through a puddle yet no water reaction or ray traced change in the puddle reflection.
I think it looks amazing for game play it's the 30 fps cutscenes that's bugging me. Idk why they didn't just make it consistent across the board for next Gen consoles
@@FounderX9 The world is, but the characters look terrible, in the end it all works out because it gives it this cartoony/ celshaded look almost with the bright colour palette beeing used. but the engine needs a revamp and more realism.
The issue with stutters when you pan the camera on PS5 (and presumably on XBOX) is a bug. It happens after watching 3-4 cutscenes (where the framerate is capped at 30 fps). When game resumes after watching a small number of said cutscenes the in game framerate begins to show these tiny stutters. If you close the game and reload it, the fps during gameplay is once again buttery smooth without even a hitch of a stutter. So this thing is definitely a bug that is tied to cutscenes.
Thank you. I’m playing this now and was wondering what was causing it because I can play for long stretches with excellent performance and then all of a sudden bad and persistent tearing
@@TheAero36 looks great on xs but be careful don't buy the disk that says both because it isn't fucking stupid Microsoft. i loaded it and was wondering why it didn't say xs had to go return disc just ignorant
And the Series X destroys the PS5 version again and don’t forget which is something DF need to start factoring in and it’s a big mistake they currently don’t Dolby Vision and Dolby Atmos
Thanks for the thorough analysis once again! I thought something was wrong with my rig with how bad the stutters were, so it's good to know it's just an issue with the engine and is consistent across all versions. I hope the developers start listening and begin to optimize more as we get further into this new generation of games.
man but i can't, that water deformation looks so good, reminds me of snowrunner in a way, not as advanced but times better than a simple 2d ripple texture, this time it looks so busy and nice
Great video Alex. I’m playing it on the Series X and am absolutely loving it. Thanks for pointing out the stuttering when panning the camera. I have noticed it but haven’t thought anything of it. But now I now that it’s a problem and hope they address it. Thanks again.
It does look good. It struggles a bit at times where perhaps they should just lower the amount of particle effects a bit so it hits the target 60 more when things get busy.
@@Will-pm6fq Yeah, i think its because Dunia engine is superior. Watch dogs, Valhalla and other Ubisoft titles use different game engine. I don't understand, why they keep using engines like anvil, when they have made Dunia Engine long time ago, and it has been clear that Far Cry's are allways best performers and has best graphics aswell.
Putting this game in Spanish with Spanish UI helped me learning Spanish so much so far! Lol and having a real protagonist with a personality is great too. Definitely my fave Far Cry so far.
Thanks Alex for explaining this stuff so detailed. Many gamers think it's their hardware failing, but when you actually go after it you find it's the games software programmed wrong.
On my 3080 the low res mipmaps were also an issue at 1440p, while vram usage never exceeded 8700 MB. I saw a tiny fps boost by disabling hyperthreading on my 10850k, really only 2-3 fps gain though.
@Geo M Er, why? At PS5 settings I get much, much higher FPS. I mainly play games I mod anyway, so PS5 doesn't really do anything I'd need. Edit: Oh, never mind. I see you're one of those "PS5 wins" people. Enjoy your platform.
Alex! Nooooo! I’ve been waiting all day for this and you didn’t talk about Fidelity FX. I messed with the damn benchmark for two hours this morn trying to see if DRS was better for hitting 60 or Fidelity. I cannot make heads or tails of the results I’m getting on my RTX2060.
I play on Series X and during the mission “Spur of the Moment" I had a massive fps drop during the cave portion when I threw a molotov in the cave while fighting the horde of roosters
Yes it does and this is the best they can do for there triple a game the best of the best looks like they should be demoted from the triple A list until they start to fix there engine or update it to a more newer and less buggier. Also you should only get the triple A status if you meet the standard of excellent that covers every thing down to optimization pushing the visuals to the limits with hardly no bugs and gameplay for me that's the gold standard but unfortunately game dev just get away with it all the time. Buy demoting company that fail to deliver what should be a triple A game should mean they cant charge triple A money for the title . If we do our job poorly we get completes,warnings, or even sacked or demoted these game devs are no different.
@@bioshock6935 Remember they are using an old ass engine that's had new features bolted on was never designed for most of the features that have been added.
@@TheSynrgy1987 So why put new feature in the old game engine in the first place if it wasn't designed to work properly you would of thought new features for a new and better engine would be the first and upmost thing to do and for the future for the far cry franchise and start to produce realistic looking graphics instead of this over the top cartoon style graphics with bright colours don't they know what natural colours and environment should look like. All i see in this game is another shadow of the tomb raider graphics boring and nothing new for a 2021 game that is not next gen even the trees and grass looks bad. Crytek is the only dev that knows what natural realistic environment should look like just take a look at hunt show down and that's an old game now least they update there engine for the time as well as the unreal engine.
Ubisoft doesnt have to hire bugtesters because they know after the initial release they can just watch the DF review and fix all the published bugs in an update.
And these particular results are yet another example of why "world's greatest console!!!!!!" designation can turn on a dime. Because it's software that makes the fundamental difference, and you can bring a powerhouse of any kind to a crawl with an optimised or buggy software. So every time the Console Wars drones proclaims superiority because of a single data point, it is absolutely ludicrous. And also PC master race drones are just as bad. Coming into wave their virtual privates about to say "hahaha we have more powerful hardware!" is similarly ludicrous, because when you have no upper limit on how much you may spend, of course you will have higher hardware potential.
I remember the Dunia stutter back on Far Cry 4! Had a great PC for the time, very high average frame rate but it stuttered horribly when driving. I think it has improved since, but sounds like it's still a bit of an issue across the board.
Yes, any wasd movement had some sort of animation stutter if it wasn’t locked at 30 or 60. Absolute pain in the ***. Primal and 5 fixed that but the driving stutter remained
In my opinion there’s little details to improve graphically but the game graphic presentation in general, is beautiful and accurate in lightning, shadows, colors, and textures. They did a very good artistic presentation for an old graphic engine. The shadows don’t hide the detail, you can actually see at night, the sea looks enjoyable, and the drawing distance and detail is very consistent so it adds to the inmersión just finish the game today and it’s been a long time since a game made want to look at what trophies I can get on ps
These game companies should pay Digital Foundry to test their games before release. Would save them so much time. I will wait until this game is better optimized before purchasing. It is a shame that with a game engine this far into its lifespan they still have the same issues as previous generations.
so wait for battledield 2042 after it releases as well. because it will also be filled with bugs and optimisation issues. but we all know everyone will still buy those games even if it releases in an unfinished state.
@@StrangerHappened I do not disagree with you at all. It is a strange thing that in these days Game companies will ship a game that is incomplete, such as Cyberpunk 2077, then just expect buyers to pay full price for a half finished game.
These games just putting rt reflection and shadows in their games can hardly be called representative of what rt is all about. Very few games go the extra mile, wish there were more like Metro, that push what can be done.
non-rt reflections ie. ssr or cubemaps are very distracting, when you get used RT reflections, so i would say dynamic reflections/GI are best candidate for RT cause otherwise they are very costly via rasterizer..
It's usually a case with AMD sponsored titles. This is like the fourth AMD title in a row that has had garbage ray tracing with quarter resolution. RE Village was bad. Godfall was bad. Dirt 5 was bad.
True but I think we are at least a pro generation away from consistent impressive ray tracing. A lot of people play games on consoles and the consoles are still super limited in this regard.
That's probably too demanding for next-gen consoles and anyone who doesn't have the mid-high end RTX cards. RT also is very costly on the CPU side too which is worrying imo since with the very capable Ryzen Zen 2 CPUs in the new consoles there was hope that developers would be pushing things like more advanced physics and AI but that's going to be difficult when devs use much of the CPU resources for RT for better graphics.
@@ejs3589 the game looks pretty good without it still, but I noticed I pretty big step up with the texture pack. Especially when using photo mode. The character models look noticably better
Have they fixed the atrocious npc speech quality? I had that in Far Cry 3, 4 and 5. I guess they are just low bitrate but I don't get the compromises the devs are making. The games all look blurry and the npc's sound horrible.
Mentioning the Series S looks soft on a 4k display is like saying oranges taste weird in an apple pie. It was specifically designed for people who had yet to make the jump to 4k TVs and displays, and was praised for it, even on this channel, way back when.
@@Hirnlego999 I'm not even talking about in a game breakdown. Go back to their overview on the console as a whole. They praised Microsoft for making a console to meet the needs of people who hadn't yet jumped to 4k displays, and get to pay less for it. There was massive fanfare over the Series S being targeted towards those people. It seems weird now to talk about how soft it looks on 4k displays.
@@brewski535 No the Series S is not perfect for 1080p simply because it typically runs below that resolution and that is on 8th generation games. People are so dumb and cheap they will trade value and performance for a machine that is only $100 less.
Screen tearing was far worse in Valhalla for me on Series X. Definitely noticeable at times in Far Cry 6. But I had to stop playing Valhalla until Ubisoft patched it... but hey, at least they're consistent lol
did you not notice the extremely choppy cutscenes? It’s very smooth during gameplay for me, but many cutscenes seem to have severe stuttering issues on top of the 30 FPS cutscene lock it looks not consistent at all. It’s actually apparent pretty much right away for me on Xbox Series X in the opening cutscenes.
@@jakoidtonge yeah it can be fun to play but the overall package leaves some things to be desired, not to mention the at times super cringy characters and writing that can be veeery lame. Female dani was pretty good though I thought and Juan. Unfortunately way too little cutscene appearances overall of Giancarlo. I remember playing for hours and hours in between seeing him even though the marketing would make you think he is much more directly present in the game.
The slow camera panning stutter on series x can be fixed by quiting the game and restarting.. Could be caused by quick resume or extended play session..worked fine for me.
Makes sense since most of us are watching on our phones. While playing you definitely notice quarter res effects especially when playing at 1440 or 1080p (which most folks are). Think you can easily ignore shadows aliasing/shimmering like crazy at 270p on your 27” 1080p monitor?
It is more like a just cause game :) . What i don't like though is even targeting anti aircraft guns with my back pack it fired at everything except that twice lol
It's sad that Alex has seemingly dropped 2060 from the comparison/optimisation. 2060 super is good to have of course but there are many of us with stock 2060 or with mobile 2060 (115-130 W) that would like an advice on how to utilize 6 gb vram pool properly. Otherwise great job highlighting the issues as always 👍
As a quick aside about Ubisoft, shock horror, not being great with PC ports: Last Christmas I bought the splinter cell collection on PC. Conviction has improper mapping that cannot be changed when using an Xbox One controller (meanwhile Harry Potter Quidditch World Cup from 2003 works fine with it) On top of that I can only play Blacklist for 30 minutes before being booted out, because the collection they retail for $70 thinks I have a pirated copy.
It's really weird. My version suffers horrible micro stuttering when panning the camara after quick resume. After multiple testing every time I restart game from fresh the stuttering is eliminated. Its unfortunate it doesn't have the same effect for you guys
I haven’t experienced hardly any of the issues with stutter or frame rate issues that they speak of on this video, my series x runs this game damn near flawless, because of VRR I’d imagine.
@@glenmcl What are you talking about? PC has had VRR for much longer than the consoles. PC's can take advantage of G-sync or Free Sync to get rid of screen tearing. That's what my PC has and its great
Yeah, it's horrible, you can't even disable it on PC. Well, at least not the main cause of blurring which is the chromatic aberration. Terrible design choice. Chromatic aberration should always be a choice in video games, A plague tale also suffered from this too. The option had to be disabled in the config file but here you can't even do that. 😠
@@brewski535 I am sure there will be enough outrage they will add a toggle in a patch . I hope they add a FOV slider to Series X and PS5 in next update.
By all the graphical enhancements every year, when do we completely get rid of clipping? I'd like to see a Digital Foundry episode about clipping - the oldest immersion breaker in the history of 3D videogames.
The only way to completely get rid of clipping is to fully physically simulate every object and limb. So that when they collide together, they 'bump' and move aside, etc. This isn't possible on current hardware at 60fps, or even 30fps if you want the rest of the game to look good. Detailed physics like that are very expensive. It's the same reason we don't have fully simulated water in games yet.
@@Harry101UK Thanks for your answer. Hard to believe this is still so difficult to achieve in 2021. Especially in 3rd person games when the gear on the back of the character clips, I always ask myself if this could really so damn hard to avoid. Naughty Dog did a pretty good job with The Last of Us Part II. About 20 years ago when graphics were simple, this wasn't a big deal, but nowadays with such good and immersive graphics, clipping gets so obvious and breaks the illsuion. So it's strange that there seems to be almost zero enhancements for the last 3 decades while graphics went from grey pixels to almost photorealism.
Thank you so much for covering this, I’m playing on PS5 and the perceived camera stutter coupled with the rampant screen tearing when in vehicles is a shame in a ‘new console generation’. Here’s hoping they’ll patch it but, seeing as you’ve been highlighting the issue since FC4, I doubt it. On a side note, playing on PS4 Pro earlier today seems to be fine, I noticed no hitching, stuttering or tearing issues….maybe they should just target 1440p on PS5 and hit that smooth 60? Thanks again DF!
No, they just have to fix the PS5 version. No change to resolution or everything else. PS5 is way more powerful than PS4 pro and if they can make things work on ps4 pro they definitely must do things better on PS5. Camera stutter or screen tearing is not PS5's or XSX's problem, it's Ubisoft's.
@@secondthought2 His comment is from a day ago so he's probably a Patreon member or whatever their membership is called and they get to watch videos earlier than non members.
@16:18 Just look at the car's speedometer texture on the right vs. the left. This is what theses and several other textures look like to many people, often regardless of whether they're using the HD Texture Pack or not. For many, no amount of adjustment to resolution or quality have fixed it.
It works well on Series X. Quite often they go back in and adjust things in patches anyway. Even ONE X releases had later patches to improve texture quality so i am sure for PC and new consoles they will fix things that look weird over time.
Thought it was just me but holy hell is the stutter/ screen tearing a big issue. Was doing a mission earlier and it got to the point where the whole game just locked up for a good 4-5 seconds then went back to normal.
It's an AMD sponsored title, of course, the Ray-tracing effects are low or not so good. They just can't handle Ray-tracing effects. This is the best what you can can get, from an AMD GPU, with reasonably high fps and Ray-tracing.
I have a 3090 and the first thing I do on every game is turn off ray tracing, its just a gimmick at this point, the performance hit is not worth at all even when using DLSS.
Yes that's right Thomas, everything's a conspiracy. And hey, if you say things with enough technical jargon, it can definitely make wild speculation look factual, right?
Same here, they keep dropping in quality the more I play. That's on a rtx 3070 and an i7 9700k. It looks like ps2 textures after about 30 min of play :(
@@grahamt19781 Compare the car's speedometer & radio @16:18 on the left vs. the right. That's an RTX3080, 10GB VRAM. That's what the textures look like to many people with or without the HD Texture Pack installed or enabled.
Citation needed. The problem with you fanboys is that you jump to emotive and judgemental conclusions all the time, at the drop of a hat. Yes the facts are it's an AMD sponsored title, and the facts are that AMD hardware isn't as accomplished with ray tracing atm. But but is it a FACT that there was some kind of conspiracy or collusion between AMD and the developers to gimp the ray tracing for everybody else? Doing that would harm AMD in the long run, because any future improvements in ray tracing capability will be self-sabotaged. These are multi-billion dollar companies. They don't think TH-cam commenters.
@@UberNoodle no need for fanboy accusations. Of course commenting is just like speculation and discussion. Maybe I’m not right I can accept that. There is no weight of a comment. People sometimes take comments too seriously and it’s bad. (AMD and nVidia fanboy fights). But yes it looks like AMD sponsored titles since RDNA2 has bad/low res RT implementation and high VRAM asking, this is maybe a coincidence, but I don’t think so… in the end regular people will play these games, most of them don’t have RX 6800 XT or RTX 3080. It is just the demonstration that “our card is cool in that game etc.” few months from now nobody will care about that. Or when next gen comes. In the end you can play through the game on a RTX 2060 or a RX 5600 XT in 1080p and have a great time.
If you do a rebuild of the ps5 data base and clearer system update cache. The stutters are completely gone. I noticed it when I watched this video and wouldn’t if I hadn’t watched this but after I did two sub options after clicking option 5 in safe mode I can promise you when you now pan the camera like you did in this video the trees and world do not stutter.
Playing this on PS5 and I enjoy it so far. I'm pretty impressed by the graphics and how consoles hold up. After seeing this, I don't even miss the Ray Tracing on console
@@cat2830 it's very good. Also the trigger effect feels pretty nice. It's great that these features get so much attention. Also Ghostrunner uses Haptic feedback very nice.
@@philbln thank you for the reply I was on the fence about what one to get series x or PS5 as they're basically identical but if it's got more immersion on the ps5 I'll probably go that route
the fact that nvidia skimped on vram on the 3080 is on them. the reason i didn't buy a 3080 is because I play at 5120x1440, 10gigs is just not enough for maxed out modern games. I was forced to get a 3090, then again in hindsight it was a good decision as 3080's are the same price i paid for this one at launch.
I swear DF is looking at Xbox series s on a 4k screen and then say " it's not attractive" but I'm running it on a 1440p and it looks gorgeous. Yes I tried it on a 4k tv and it's not "pretty" but for a 1080p -1440p 300 dollar console... It's f-ing amazing !!!
@@erokson9412 ok well thats a special case then still I would probably never ever play the Series S if I had the same setup as you cause I would constantly think to myself "yo this would look better if I just got my ass into another room wtf am I doing?"
@@spikepsych haha I do use my x more cause I got the nicer tv out. But sometimes after a long ass day at work .I like to lay down and play. But still. It's an impressive machine for the price and I only use a monitor in my room instead of my 4k . And believe me it looks very identical to the X but in 1440. And many people might not be able to afford the X or can't get it from the shortage. And that is ok. People may feel like second class and that's not nice .
7:14 The fact that there's a lens flare on PS5 and not Series X makes me wonder if there are other post processing effects missing from the Series X version. Or maybe this is the reason (along with more detailed foliage) the PS5 version runs at a slightly lower average resolution?
There's still lots of lens flare on Series X but I did notice the shot on the beach you're referring to. But I'm playing it on Series X and it definitely has lens flare
No rt shadows on alpha effects is such an odd choice. Grass and leaves benefit the most from more precise shadows so it's pointless without it And quarter or half res effects should NEVER be the be the only option on pc. It completely ignores the flexibility and future proofing that pc gaming is great at
I've played for six hours on XSX without VRR and haven't noticed a single performance issue. Smooth as butter. Must be the day one patch. Completely different experience to AC Valhalla.
I dunno, I think the performance and environments look really good, dropping to 59 FPS is hardly noticeable at all to the naked eye. My issue with the game which wasn't covered enough in this video is the character models could have looked more life like for "next gen". I didn't think the character models looked realistic enough, especially in cutscenes.
@Dr. Hibbs character models look last gen, just saying. Performance in this video looks pretty solid across the board on all platforms, environments look good. Character models look like they are from 2014.
@@fatalmokrane how? Series x 500 plus 2 controllers 80 bucks plus 120 bucks for gamepass ultimate. That's 700 plus tax for 2 years. While rtx 3080 base was 700 at launch and now is around 1500 bucks... But yeah it's much cheaper
Damn that camera pan stutter is rough. I can deal with traversal stutter, it doesn't bother me too much, but camera pan stutter is a no go. Glad I didn't buy this day one, will be waiting until that's fixed.
Definitely a bit rough around the edges even if it’s an improvement overall. Ubisoft needs to start giving the far cry teams another year in between titles to polish them up
@@Phil_529 Dunno what to tell ya, it needed more time . Cyberpunk 2077 got delayed 3 times for polish and it still released a mess. Companies shouldn’t release products before they’re finished, it’s their upper management teams fault
Been playing on XSX and can’t say I’ve noticed any stuttering at all during my 6 or say hours of play. Been also playing Sekiro and its so much more pronounced there, hence me playing FC6 more
I’ve been playing on PS5 and the stuttering only really happens in super populated areas with lots of foliage and only really happens if you’re flying through in a car etc. Playing the game normally you won’t notice it very often.
Also in Farcry 6 when you enable HD textures the Vram bar in video settings doesn't show Vram going over 10 GB with RTX 3080. The Vram usage bar in video settings shows far less than 10 GB usage with every setting maxed.
@@kostasbousbouras2654 if you had a TV and Audio set up that spits out Dolby Vision and Dolby Atmos you’d care as the difference is significant. If your playing on a childrens set up then I get it looks the same. I did watch the video the the FPS drops were worse on PS5 and don’t forget Series X has VRR to clean all that up
@@grtcara8386 I knew you xbox fans will use Dolby Atmos as a victory. Depending on the TV Dolby Atmos can actually look worse, but I'm glad it supports it tho.
@@MiguelRodriguez-lp9et buddy I play my games like I watch my movies Samsung QLED 85” with Sonos Dolby Atmos surround system. I’m rocking a $7000 set up so I want it used which the Series X does and the PS5 doesn’t hence why I only bust out the PS5 for exclusives the rest is dominated by the Series X
About the stutter... Back in th day when I played Far Cry Primal, I had an unplayable stutter (I do mean unplayable). After some investigation, it turned out that lowering mouse polling rate from 1000hz to 500hz solved the issue completely. Given that FC still runs on the same engine, I wonder if that might help?
Can I just say that after playing this game for a while I am routinely impressed by the lighting, texture work and high quality models with lots of granular detail found throughout.
This is great video, I bought this for my Xbox series x and felt something was wrong and was going to buy it AGAIN for my pc to play it on there better. Now that the problems are on everything I’ll just stick with it. I have a 2080 for my pc but just never use it anymore cuz Xbox series x is way more convenient
Alex good job, pointed out every single issue I had personally found and experienced while playing the game. 'Dunia engine traversal stutter' in my opinion is the single biggest issue I have with the game and in my support ticket I submitted to Ubisoft days ago I had pointed out the exact same issue stating its been in the game ever since FC4 atleast. They really need to put more effort into QA and fix this issue once and for all in their engine, as its otherwise making a polished game rather not polished and really not fun to play.
It’s seriously not that noticeable. The bulk of gameplay is a flawless 60fps. To have slight loading stutters doesn’t break the game and hasn’t hardly impacted my experience with the PS5 version at all
I beat the game on PS5 this past week and enjoyed the game for the most part, but it has some abysmal screen tearing even now three months after launch.
The RT settings being that low is probably because AMD sponsors this game and they wouldn't want Radeon cards perfoming badly. That way, even with RT on, 6800 performs similarly to an RTX 3080.
I generally like RT reflections, RT lighting depends on the headroom with my GPU, RT shadows I have yet to leave enabled due to the cost and small change in visual fidelity.
RT reflections being held back, well no shit alex it's an AMD sponsered game. This would have looked so good if an Nvidia title with all kinds of high res RT and dlss.
Yeah I bet there's some grand conspiracy to nerf the game so that AMD looks better, ... because it looks REALLY GOOD to have quarter a resolution raytracing in a game that your company has sponsored! Yeah it looks so good. What a clever conspiracy! FFS, why do game is jump so quickly to these kinds of emotive in judgemental conclusions? It is incredibly counterproductive for AMD to engage in the kind of collusion you are insinuating because when the hardware eventually catches up in its capabilities, there are going to be all of these AMD labelled games that have been sabotaged. Unless you think that the conspiracy also includes a sudden release of a raytracing patch on the very day that amd's new graphics cards come out! Lol. These a multi-billion dollar companies. They don't have the mindsets of TH-cam commenters.
@@UberNoodle Not hard to conclude. Every AMD one with RT is meh. Dirt 5, Godfall, RE village etc. All Nvidia ones which are numerous have full res RT and yes they can run at half the fps but we need graphics pushing and dlss which is also the best thing ever helps with that.
@@Shadowed007 I know it's cute to be hyperbolic. But the best looking console games of 2010 feature a list that includes God of War 3 and the original Alan Wake. Go Google photos of those games and come back and tell me this looks like that with a straight face. Even going with the PC Version of original Alan Wake back then running at max spec, this game looks better on consoles. Why do comments like this exist?
I just got the msi delta 15 with a 5800h and 6700m, I found the HD textures caused the traversal stutter almost entirely. I'm at a mix of high and ultra settings, and at 1080p without HD textures, I get next to no stutters, but with it enabled, it absolutely was stuttering, honestly rather frequently.
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In current world scenario with GPU prices being sold for the price of a small car, Xbox SX and PS5 are doing a great job.
@Bryce Czirr That still costs more than a current gen console. Not worth it yet. The consoles are more affordable right now and they handle the new games quite well.
@Bryce Czirr damn bro that's crazy but who asked
@Bryce Czirr Yeah I got a 3070 online from best buy for $500. This was back when everyone was spamming for it during Christmas too. Could sell it for 1 grand right now if I wanted too.
@@dominant2576 I asked
@Bryce Czirr what a trade
I love when a sniper wears a grass suit and sits in a cement watch tower. 😆
I'd like to see the sniper wear a cement suit.
Vc é louco rapaz fale algo útil...
😄😄
haha i know i was laughing at that plus they just stand there and let you slash them lol
@@GENKI_INU Yeah, sniper wears a cement suit and sits in the grass :D
The amount of effort needed to make a video like this is just crazy
It would take ages but they chose to do this for a job and 1 have a team to work together and they get a head start on it by getting the code early. Not saying I don't appreciate what they do
@@mcsherlocks yeah but it still a lot of work that goes into these videos regardless, I applaud digital foundry for getting these videos out in quick succession
Imagine consuming this type of content and actually obsessing about these silly, minuscule details/pixels. DF and their entire fanbase are VIRGINS for life. Sad!
It’s especially brutal for this game as your have to get through so many starter missions before you can even really have the game open up for you…
@@fensoxx I'm sure they don't need to play those
2:05
That alligator showing up from nowhere to see the effects represents DF junkies.
Crocodile!
He be like: yo, man, that ain't right. Where's my RT at??? gtfo with that cheapo screen space reflections or I'll bite your ass.
GUAPO*
I love how janky the animation of the alligator was. Full stop no slowing down before stopping. Typical Ubisoft level of quality.
We are Guapo!
Yeah, thats sounds like a great idea, putting in Ray Tracing and cutting it down until it's barely noticeable. I get quarter resolution stuff, performance reasons, of course, but not using rt on water and using rt shadows only for sun and without alpha. I mean what's even a point of this? At least give us Crytek style console variables to play around and remove all those restrictions..
AMD sponsored game so they were probably forced to cut down RT to make it actually playable on AMD gpus and removed the higher settings to make it less embarrassing.
It’s because Ray Tracing was developed from the perspective of AMD cards and not nvidia. Nvidia cards are capable of far better RT.
Just for the name sake.
AMD the company that every tech tuber bootlicks pushed for this
"far better RT" doubt
It's far from being much better, it only performs a bit better because nvidia is at its second generation of RT while AMD is at his first. RT performance of current AMD cards are equivalent of Turing, which is not bad at all.
Other AMD sponsored titles have great RT, stop sharing misinformation.
My biggest issue is no FOV slider on console. Definitely a must have setting in modern first person/third person games
yep i really hope it is on the first patch hey?
I’m sure it was going under 60s with the slider. Seems like that’s why they scrapped it.
@@FunKaYxxD1sCO I would rather have a high FOV with some minor frame drops than a small FOV with solid frame rate to be honest
@@FunKaYxxD1sCO at the end of the day tho… at least give us the option
@@mrpeanut1381 I definitely want the fov slider
I love how you're one of the few pointing stuttering problems in games, that's the first step to make devs more careful since it's a very boring thing.
And the worst part is that these stutter issues become an even bigger problem on lower spec machines.
I am only running a Ryzen 5 3600, 3200CL16 Ram overclocked to 3600 (with mediocre timings), a cheap Sata SSD, and the stutter in games such as Far Cry 5 and Jedi: Fallen Order was unbearable, way worse than what was shown here in the video.
Since most consumers have somewhat similar machines to my own, and don't all own a beastly 10900k, their experience will be somewhat similar to mine which is a serious issue.
@@denniswrede2130 a 3600, 3600Mhz cl16 and an SSD is hardly low-end
more like annoying rather than boring.
Stuttering in games is the absolute worst and is bonkers common and I’ve got a beefy rig + g-sync.
@@BlindBison Same, actually stuttering above 60 fps is like a punch in the eyes, sure everyone has a different tolerance but stutter from 144 or above to 40 completely ruin the experience and make useless building a new powerful pc. Sadly these days most games stutters to some degree, and thanks god someone big like Digital Foundry is starting to point out this problem which in my opinion is one of the biggest plague in modern gaming.
The stuttering every few seconds on a 9900k and a 3090 is unacceptable. I'll be at 4k over 60 fps the entire time, but it'll still stutter randomly with an m2 ssd. They need to fix the CPU core bounding issues.
You’re telling me a Buggysoft game is running strange at launch? I’m shocked I tell you, shocked.
I’m using 3900x with 3080 ti and no stuttering issues. Vsync locked 4k60. Haven’t noticed any thread being worked alone.
Same here i play at 4k max settings with an rtx 3090 and i9 9900k. So far only high settings with RT off runs butter smooth and free of stutter, we just have to wait for patches.
I have a 3090 and a 10980XE. Huge stutter while driving. Unacceptable in 2021. I play the game at 4K maxed out with HD textures but no RTX (I am not a fan of it in general).
@@nl5670 The issue i have with RTX is i haven't seen any games that currently can do Raytracing and water deformity together. When a car drives through a puddle for instance it really should affect the reflection. I had this issue with Watch Dogs Legions as well. It would be pouring with rain and the cars drive through a puddle yet no water reaction or ray traced change in the puddle reflection.
Not a single comment on the most intriguing technical aspect of the game: there is a goddammit croc wearing jackets all the time!
His Mom doesn't want him to get cold.
lmfao I noticed that
@@Splathew Now if she would just give him a toothbrush so he wouldn't be angry.
@@SlyNine as long as no one steals his gold tooth
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The guys at Digital Foundry have a lot on their plate during this time! Thanks for the uncompromising and hard work
It’s about time we can say that!
ubisoft needs to retire this generic, repetitive, mediocre of a franchise. Ai is atrocious 🤣
@@draco2xx then dont play it lol regardless its going to be played and whether or not you buy it and play it you are still talking about it
Vg tech > Digital foundry
@@draco2xx that's the main thing. The AI, even on hardest difficulty, is some of the worst I've seen lately.
Enjoying the game for the most part, but this graphics engine feels a bit crusty nowadays. Dunia needs a refresh.
Dunia is just a modded CryEngine
I think it looks amazing for game play it's the 30 fps cutscenes that's bugging me. Idk why they didn't just make it consistent across the board for next Gen consoles
Crusty?
@@FounderX9 The world is, but the characters look terrible, in the end it all works out because it gives it this cartoony/ celshaded look almost with the bright colour palette beeing used. but the engine needs a revamp and more realism.
Lol wtf game are you playing? It's fn beautiful!
The issue with stutters when you pan the camera on PS5 (and presumably on XBOX) is a bug. It happens after watching 3-4 cutscenes (where the framerate is capped at 30 fps). When game resumes after watching a small number of said cutscenes the in game framerate begins to show these tiny stutters. If you close the game and reload it, the fps during gameplay is once again buttery smooth without even a hitch of a stutter. So this thing is definitely a bug that is tied to cutscenes.
Thank you. I’m playing this now and was wondering what was causing it because I can play for long stretches with excellent performance and then all of a sudden bad and persistent tearing
The one Far Cry 6 video we've all been waiting for.
I was waiting for Hot Wheels running on xs
This ^ I am truly unsure which version to get and was waiting for this
@@TheAero36 looks great on xs but be careful don't buy the disk that says both because it isn't fucking stupid Microsoft. i loaded it and was wondering why it didn't say xs had to go return disc just ignorant
And the Series X destroys the PS5 version again and don’t forget which is something DF need to start factoring in and it’s a big mistake they currently don’t Dolby Vision and Dolby Atmos
And just like all other channels, Xbox series X won, again.
Thanks for the thorough analysis once again!
I thought something was wrong with my rig with how bad the stutters were, so it's good to know it's just an issue with the engine and is consistent across all versions. I hope the developers start listening and begin to optimize more as we get further into this new generation of games.
man but i can't, that water deformation looks so good, reminds me of snowrunner in a way, not as advanced but times better than a simple 2d ripple texture, this time it looks so busy and nice
Ubisoft titles have had amazing water since at least AC3.
I remember thinking back with the n64 that extremely realistic water physics was just a matter of time. Things haven’t advanced the way I expected.
@@andyward8430
Super Mario Sunshine blew my mind on GameCube with the water. Haven't really seen huge jumps since then...
My man Alex now doing full PC plus all current gen consoles. Respect.
ya... xbox series s got less than a minute of testing...
@@erokson9412 Maybe that means that there is no problem with FC6 on XSS?
@@meeloks.1013 This is a tech review. It barely talked about it..
Great video Alex. I’m playing it on the Series X and am absolutely loving it. Thanks for pointing out the stuttering when panning the camera. I have noticed it but haven’t thought anything of it. But now I now that it’s a problem and hope they address it. Thanks again.
Doesn't look bad on the Xbox Serie S, at least compared to the previous Ubisoft games it is the best optimized game they did for the console so far.
And soon they will be better optimized
yeah, the breakpoint optimization and watch dogs legion ports are horrible, valhalla port was good tho
It does look good. It struggles a bit at times where perhaps they should just lower the amount of particle effects a bit so it hits the target 60 more when things get busy.
@@Will-pm6fq Yeah, i think its because Dunia engine is superior. Watch dogs, Valhalla and other Ubisoft titles use different game engine. I don't understand, why they keep using engines like anvil, when they have made Dunia Engine long time ago, and it has been clear that Far Cry's are allways best performers and has best graphics aswell.
@@Will-pm6fq Breakpoint runs great since they brought Vulkan API there.
Putting this game in Spanish with Spanish UI helped me learning Spanish so much so far! Lol and having a real protagonist with a personality is great too. Definitely my fave Far Cry so far.
This game begs to be played with Spanish VA, much more immersive. Wonder if the English and Spanish main characters voice actor is the same 🤔
That's awesome I'm also enjoying the game
@@Jirizo1 I might play it in Spanish with English subtitles, if the voice acting is better in Spanish (which it probably is since it's set in 'Cuba').
Might play this way as well.
It’s the Castilian version of Spanish tho. Not the Latin America version which you should learn
Thanks Alex for explaining this stuff so detailed.
Many gamers think it's their hardware failing, but when you actually go after it you find it's the games software programmed wrong.
This guy cn count pixels!!!
so its not something wrong on my ps5 if it fps drops in far cry 6 and miles morales and cyberpunk 2077 it stutters too
On my 3080 the low res mipmaps were also an issue at 1440p, while vram usage never exceeded 8700 MB. I saw a tiny fps boost by disabling hyperthreading on my 10850k, really only 2-3 fps gain though.
@Geo M Er, why? At PS5 settings I get much, much higher FPS. I mainly play games I mod anyway, so PS5 doesn't really do anything I'd need.
Edit: Oh, never mind. I see you're one of those "PS5 wins" people. Enjoy your platform.
seriously? i thought it was only an issue at 4k? fk this game dude, time to pirate this trash, no way im buying it for ps5
That's very disappointing about the textures, it needs to be fixed. Also, Ubisoft's VRAM estimate meter needs to be tweaked to reflect reality.
@Geo M To the first part...OMG, why though. And to the second part, if that's where you prefer/can play it now, enjoy!
Alex! Nooooo! I’ve been waiting all day for this and you didn’t talk about Fidelity FX. I messed with the damn benchmark for two hours this morn trying to see if DRS was better for hitting 60 or Fidelity. I cannot make heads or tails of the results I’m getting on my RTX2060.
2:05 lol! the way the alligator pops in from the side like "Wha? What wuz that??"
Hahaha 😂 We are of one mind.
I play on Series X and during the mission “Spur of the Moment" I had a massive fps drop during the cave portion when I threw a molotov in the cave while fighting the horde of roosters
A horde of roosters? Wait, whaaat? Like in Days Gone that you had the horde of freakers and whatnot?
Me who used a double barrel shotgun: What fps drop
I played that mission on the series S version and I didn't notice any framerate issues in that cave.
This game desperately needs an FOV slider on consoles, even at the cost of resolution, this is one of the few games that gives me motion sickness.
Yeah same here, can't play more than a hour at a time, the begining going to the sewer, not a pleasant experiece, pun intended
Wow I played it 5 hours straight last night and didn't feel one thing haha
It's not terrible on foot, but driving and horses seem pretty bad.
No FOV slider, no buy.
That’s a you problem the FOV is perfect
The blue halo effect with raytraced reflections on is so distracting and hideous!
Yes it does and this is the best they can do for there triple a game the best of the best looks like they should be demoted from the triple A list until they start to fix there engine or update it to a more newer and less buggier. Also you should only get the triple A status if you meet the standard of excellent that covers every thing down to optimization pushing the visuals to the limits with hardly no bugs and gameplay for me that's the gold standard but unfortunately game dev just get away with it all the time. Buy demoting company that fail to deliver what should be a triple A game should mean they cant charge triple A money for the title . If we do our job poorly we get completes,warnings, or even sacked or demoted these game devs are no different.
@@bioshock6935 Remember they are using an old ass engine that's had new features bolted on was never designed for most of the features that have been added.
@@TheSynrgy1987 So why put new feature in the old game engine in the first place if it wasn't designed to work properly you would of thought new features for a new and better engine would be the first and upmost thing to do and for the future for the far cry franchise and start to produce realistic looking graphics instead of this over the top cartoon style graphics with bright colours don't they know what natural colours and environment should look like. All i see in this game is another shadow of the tomb raider graphics boring and nothing new for a 2021 game that is not next gen even the trees and grass looks bad. Crytek is the only dev that knows what natural realistic environment should look like just take a look at hunt show down and that's an old game now least they update there engine for the time as well as the unreal engine.
So is this comment! Just enjoy the game!
@@xBITTYBOOx I would enjoy the game if it was made right and fixed lol
Ubisoft doesnt have to hire bugtesters because they know after the initial release they can just watch the DF review and fix all the published bugs in an update.
lol except they don't fix major issues
7:06 is where the console comparison starts
Couldn't care less about console wars
And these particular results are yet another example of why "world's greatest console!!!!!!" designation can turn on a dime.
Because it's software that makes the fundamental difference, and you can bring a powerhouse of any kind to a crawl with an optimised or buggy software. So every time the Console Wars drones proclaims superiority because of a single data point, it is absolutely ludicrous.
And also PC master race drones are just as bad. Coming into wave their virtual privates about to say "hahaha we have more powerful hardware!" is similarly ludicrous, because when you have no upper limit on how much you may spend, of course you will have higher hardware potential.
Thanks. I see they were way too lazy to put time stamps like virtually every other big channel does.
@@fatalmokrane and yet you are adding your input that no one asked for.
@@nervusbreakdown I asked for it
I remember the Dunia stutter back on Far Cry 4! Had a great PC for the time, very high average frame rate but it stuttered horribly when driving. I think it has improved since, but sounds like it's still a bit of an issue across the board.
Yes, any wasd movement had some sort of animation stutter if it wasn’t locked at 30 or 60. Absolute pain in the ***. Primal and 5 fixed that but the driving stutter remained
It was most likely the VRAM buffer being maxed out and the game engine having to pull data files from your SSD to memory.
I started noticing the stutter in FC4. FC5 has it, and now FC6 is even worse in my opinion. 3090 and 10980XE.
I didn't have that issue on Dunia with my old I7 930 lol.
@@DEVILTAZ35 i had 3560k and 780ti 8gb ddr3
In my opinion there’s little details to improve graphically but the game graphic presentation in general, is beautiful and accurate in lightning, shadows, colors, and textures. They did a very good artistic presentation for an old graphic engine. The shadows don’t hide the detail, you can actually see at night, the sea looks enjoyable, and the drawing distance and detail is very consistent so it adds to the inmersión just finish the game today and it’s been a long time since a game made want to look at what trophies I can get on ps
For every game, I’m waiting for Alex’s optimized settings. : )
loved the nvidia optimized articles and missed them. Now Alex took over the hole
These game companies should pay Digital Foundry to test their games before release. Would save them so much time. I will wait until this game is better optimized before purchasing. It is a shame that with a game engine this far into its lifespan they still have the same issues as previous generations.
so wait for battledield 2042 after it releases as well. because it will also be filled with bugs and optimisation issues. but we all know everyone will still buy those games even if it releases in an unfinished state.
I'm sure they know about every one of the issues, however, they have deadlines and a release date to meet.
@@StrangerHappened I do not disagree with you at all. It is a strange thing that in these days Game companies will ship a game that is incomplete, such as Cyberpunk 2077, then just expect buyers to pay full price for a half finished game.
I'm stunned that I can change the audio levels for things like music. Stunned. Seems like it took them decades to add this basic function
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@@asaviklund9414 ??????!
@@Snarfles_ ?
These games just putting rt reflection and shadows in their games can hardly be called representative of what rt is all about. Very few games go the extra mile, wish there were more like Metro, that push what can be done.
Metro is alot more visually interesting.
non-rt reflections ie. ssr or cubemaps are very distracting, when you get used RT reflections, so i would say dynamic reflections/GI are best candidate for RT cause otherwise they are very costly via rasterizer..
It's usually a case with AMD sponsored titles. This is like the fourth AMD title in a row that has had garbage ray tracing with quarter resolution. RE Village was bad. Godfall was bad. Dirt 5 was bad.
True but I think we are at least a pro generation away from consistent impressive ray tracing. A lot of people play games on consoles and the consoles are still super limited in this regard.
That's probably too demanding for next-gen consoles and anyone who doesn't have the mid-high end RTX cards. RT also is very costly on the CPU side too which is worrying imo since with the very capable Ryzen Zen 2 CPUs in the new consoles there was hope that developers would be pushing things like more advanced physics and AI but that's going to be difficult when devs use much of the CPU resources for RT for better graphics.
Series X doesn't automatically download the High Res texture pack either. You have to go into the store and download the 25gb add on.
No you don’t.
@@Gotti360 I did
My download was 68 GB on Xbox series X, I downloaded the HD texture pack and there was no difference at all.
Same here. I purchased the X/S version and yet still had to download the HD pack separately as an add on. Odd way of doing it.
@@ejs3589 the game looks pretty good without it still, but I noticed I pretty big step up with the texture pack. Especially when using photo mode. The character models look noticably better
I'm using a 2080Ti + the HD texture pack and textures goes blurry quite often, mostly clothing textures on your character.
Turn of HD textures, that removed lot of textures blurriness for me
This game has incredible sound; the audio is so good.
I almost don't notice when a game does environmental audio so well, I'm just immersed. When it's bad is when it really stands out.
It indeed is very good, especially in surround.
Does it support Atmos?
Have they fixed the atrocious npc speech quality? I had that in Far Cry 3, 4 and 5. I guess they are just low bitrate but I don't get the compromises the devs are making. The games all look blurry and the npc's sound horrible.
Great to finally see a far cry game at 60FPS and a decent resolution on next gen. I’m disappointed FOV has been left out.
Mentioning the Series S looks soft on a 4k display is like saying oranges taste weird in an apple pie.
It was specifically designed for people who had yet to make the jump to 4k TVs and displays, and was praised for it, even on this channel, way back when.
Never invest in the lowest common denominator product, even when they praise it. You're only hindering your own experience.
@GamingNinja They said FS2020 looks really nice on S
The XSS is perfect for 1080p displays!
@@Hirnlego999 I'm not even talking about in a game breakdown.
Go back to their overview on the console as a whole.
They praised Microsoft for making a console to meet the needs of people who hadn't yet jumped to 4k displays, and get to pay less for it.
There was massive fanfare over the Series S being targeted towards those people.
It seems weird now to talk about how soft it looks on 4k displays.
@@brewski535 No the Series S is not perfect for 1080p simply because it typically runs below that resolution and that is on 8th generation games. People are so dumb and cheap they will trade value and performance for a machine that is only $100 less.
Really love the water in this game. It looks so realistic that I want to swim in there.
Good amount of screen tearing on ps5 just like Valhalla and WD legion seems to be a Ubisoft tradition at this point
Exactly!!! I thought I was going crazy messing around with tv and consol settings. But it’s only the newest Ubisoft games that do this shit 😖
Screen tearing was far worse in Valhalla for me on Series X. Definitely noticeable at times in Far Cry 6. But I had to stop playing Valhalla until Ubisoft patched it... but hey, at least they're consistent lol
Yep I only have this problem on Ubisoft games
Yeah, sad for the ps5 players.
did you not notice the extremely choppy cutscenes? It’s very smooth during gameplay for me, but many cutscenes seem to have severe stuttering issues on top of the 30 FPS cutscene lock it looks not consistent at all. It’s actually apparent pretty much right away for me on Xbox Series X in the opening cutscenes.
The cut scenes were terrible,on my Series X as well.I gave this game a 7/10,and that was being generous.
@@jakoidtonge yeah it can be fun to play but the overall package leaves some things to be desired, not to mention the at times super cringy characters and writing that can be veeery lame. Female dani was pretty good though I thought and Juan. Unfortunately way too little cutscene appearances overall of Giancarlo. I remember playing for hours and hours in between seeing him even though the marketing would make you think he is much more directly present in the game.
Been really enjoying the game on Ps5. Zero issues personally. I am digging the island setting. It is fun.
Yea...to bad everything else about the game was bad and bland
@@2genders-tk2ue typical Farcry. Nothing new. As expected.
On Pc the cutscenes are so jittery, looks like it goes far under 30fps even tho it says it’s locked. It’s so jarring.
Same on console. When I was playing the other day all the cutscenes were having major frame dips going on. Was making me nauseous.
@@spicydeath82 are you playing on xbox one ? That never happen to me and I never heard anyone complain about that
@@MrTurtle15 go on reddit. everyone is complaining about it...
@@user-ug7ed8ti2t on cutscenes ?
@@MrTurtle15 there are a lot of people complaining about it.
The slow camera panning stutter on series x can be fixed by quiting the game and restarting.. Could be caused by quick resume or extended play session..worked fine for me.
It looks fine on my series s, the only thing I don’t like is that there is major pop in especially when running around instead of walking.
The mere fact the Digital Foundry needs to constantly zoom about 400x just to show us the tiny differences in quality is really telling us something.
Makes sense since most of us are watching on our phones. While playing you definitely notice quarter res effects especially when playing at 1440 or 1080p (which most folks are). Think you can easily ignore shadows aliasing/shimmering like crazy at 270p on your 27” 1080p monitor?
This basically looks like a first-person Just Cause. (not a bad thing, just sayin')
The series was Just Cause before Just Cause was a thing.
Except far cry has more random events and actually has wild animals
It is more like a just cause game :) . What i don't like though is even targeting anti aircraft guns with my back pack it fired at everything except that twice lol
I love the Far Cry series. This one is definitely my favorite and the visuals are just beautiful on my Series X. Can't get over it.
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It's sad that Alex has seemingly dropped 2060 from the comparison/optimisation. 2060 super is good to have of course but there are many of us with stock 2060 or with mobile 2060 (115-130 W) that would like an advice on how to utilize 6 gb vram pool properly. Otherwise great job highlighting the issues as always 👍
As a quick aside about Ubisoft, shock horror, not being great with PC ports:
Last Christmas I bought the splinter cell collection on PC. Conviction has improper mapping that cannot be changed when using an Xbox One controller (meanwhile Harry Potter Quidditch World Cup from 2003 works fine with it)
On top of that I can only play Blacklist for 30 minutes before being booted out, because the collection they retail for $70 thinks I have a pirated copy.
One interesting thing is the stuttering on series x only occurs when using quick resume. When starting game from fresh it doesn't happen
It happens all the the time. I don't use quick resume and close the game after playing.
Happens all the time
It's really weird. My version suffers horrible micro stuttering when panning the camara after quick resume. After multiple testing every time I restart game from fresh the stuttering is eliminated. Its unfortunate it doesn't have the same effect for you guys
What about VRR displays and Series X. Does that help with the FR and Screen Tearing problems?
Yes.
PS5 and PC getting the worst versions.
I haven’t experienced hardly any of the issues with stutter or frame rate issues that they speak of on this video, my series x runs this game damn near flawless, because of VRR I’d imagine.
Watch out, someone poor is coming to say that we don't have VRR screens
@@kiisseli1337 lol I definitely have one, and I’m very glad I do. Wouldn’t want to game without it these days.
@@glenmcl What are you talking about? PC has had VRR for much longer than the consoles. PC's can take advantage of G-sync or Free Sync to get rid of screen tearing. That's what my PC has and its great
Its weird how anything right on the edge of the screen is noticrably blurrier, I think it definitely contributes to the soft look that you mention.
Yeah, it's horrible, you can't even disable it on PC. Well, at least not the main cause of blurring which is the chromatic aberration. Terrible design choice. Chromatic aberration should always be a choice in video games, A plague tale also suffered from this too. The option had to be disabled in the config file but here you can't even do that. 😠
@@brewski535 I am sure there will be enough outrage they will add a toggle in a patch . I hope they add a FOV slider to Series X and PS5 in next update.
By all the graphical enhancements every year, when do we completely get rid of clipping? I'd like to see a Digital Foundry episode about clipping - the oldest immersion breaker in the history of 3D videogames.
Whats clipping?
@@123doomdoom when one object intersect another. For example a character’s arm going through a wall.
And pop in, watch dogs legion has pretty bad pop in
The only way to completely get rid of clipping is to fully physically simulate every object and limb. So that when they collide together, they 'bump' and move aside, etc. This isn't possible on current hardware at 60fps, or even 30fps if you want the rest of the game to look good. Detailed physics like that are very expensive. It's the same reason we don't have fully simulated water in games yet.
@@Harry101UK Thanks for your answer. Hard to believe this is still so difficult to achieve in 2021. Especially in 3rd person games when the gear on the back of the character clips, I always ask myself if this could really so damn hard to avoid. Naughty Dog did a pretty good job with The Last of Us Part II.
About 20 years ago when graphics were simple, this wasn't a big deal, but nowadays with such good and immersive graphics, clipping gets so obvious and breaks the illsuion. So it's strange that there seems to be almost zero enhancements for the last 3 decades while graphics went from grey pixels to almost photorealism.
Thank you so much for covering this, I’m playing on PS5 and the perceived camera stutter coupled with the rampant screen tearing when in vehicles is a shame in a ‘new console generation’. Here’s hoping they’ll patch it but, seeing as you’ve been highlighting the issue since FC4, I doubt it. On a side note, playing on PS4 Pro earlier today seems to be fine, I noticed no hitching, stuttering or tearing issues….maybe they should just target 1440p on PS5 and hit that smooth 60? Thanks again DF!
Glad I didn't buy it.
I don't want to wait for 'patches' to fix things in a last-gen-game.
I just don't buy it anymore.
Solved.
No, they just have to fix the PS5 version.
No change to resolution or everything else.
PS5 is way more powerful than PS4 pro and if they can make things work on ps4 pro they definitely must do things better on PS5.
Camera stutter or screen tearing is not PS5's or XSX's problem, it's Ubisoft's.
I play FC6 on PS5, noticed some stuttering in cutscenes or dialog too.
Very thorough Alex, thank you
Dude come tf on how were u able to check the vid in just 1 min
@@secondthought2 His comment is from a day ago so he's probably a Patreon member or whatever their membership is called and they get to watch videos earlier than non members.
@@bobbygibson6267 my bad then. I was rude there
how's your comment a day ago
@@TotalGAMIX Did you just ignore bobby's reply?
@16:18 Just look at the car's speedometer texture on the right vs. the left. This is what theses and several other textures look like to many people, often regardless of whether they're using the HD Texture Pack or not. For many, no amount of adjustment to resolution or quality have fixed it.
It works well on Series X. Quite often they go back in and adjust things in patches anyway. Even ONE X releases had later patches to improve texture quality so i am sure for PC and new consoles they will fix things that look weird over time.
Thank you, been waiting on this to see how it runs on PS5 before i buy it
Runs really well and looks really good. there's is no fov slider tho
@@RawWrath Great to have it somewhere else called $ of view.
If you are picky on resolution go for xsx over ps5 any day
@@williamcaesar4503 well if resolution the problem we can just play on PC i have a 3080 build but i bought it on PS5 to get the trophies lol
@@RawWrath lol my buddies tried too go PC but they miss the trophy's and achievements and I don't blame them you get rewarded on Xbox for them
Thought it was just me but holy hell is the stutter/ screen tearing a big issue. Was doing a mission earlier and it got to the point where the whole game just locked up for a good 4-5 seconds then went back to normal.
You playing on ps5? Cause it’s noticeable there
It's an AMD sponsored title, of course, the Ray-tracing effects are low or not so good. They just can't handle Ray-tracing effects. This is the best what you can can get, from an AMD GPU, with reasonably high fps and Ray-tracing.
Ok sure... 🙄
Uhhh what are you even talking about??
It’s a known fact that AMD GPUs are not as good as nvidias. The comments above mine either are AMD fans or console users lol
I have a 3090 and the first thing I do on every game is turn off ray tracing, its just a gimmick at this point, the performance hit is not worth at all even when using DLSS.
Yes that's right Thomas, everything's a conspiracy. And hey, if you say things with enough technical jargon, it can definitely make wild speculation look factual, right?
Super impressed again with Series S. Such a nice little console
This game looks better then halo infinite
It's a lastgen game dude....at 1080p. Why are you so Impressed?
@@kostasbousbouras2654 Because he can 🤨
The game has serious streaming texture issues on pc that I hope Ubisoft addresses soon
What brand cpu?
Same here, they keep dropping in quality the more I play. That's on a rtx 3070 and an i7 9700k. It looks like ps2 textures after about 30 min of play :(
No problems on my pc. It's probably lack of vram
@@grahamt19781 Compare the car's speedometer & radio @16:18 on the left vs. the right. That's an RTX3080, 10GB VRAM. That's what the textures look like to many people with or without the HD Texture Pack installed or enabled.
@@Marsson90 no problem my PC is beautiful smooth :)
What's the best setting for HDR Peak Brightness & HDR Paper White overall, I have a LG CX
Great video as always. Curious to see how the last gen consoles handle this, hope you guys will cover it.
pffft
They don't care about last gen consoles, since all they want is clicks for there videos.
Xbox one x/ ps4 pro: 25-35fps, no raytracing, settings all turned way down (still counted as 4k somehow).
@@smittyvanjagermanjenson182 isn't there a 30 FPS cap?
@@kaidenkobani4190 probably, but a cap doesn't mean it won't dip lower occasionally.
DXR completely gimped because of the AMD 'sponsorship'... What a surprise. Load of rubbish
And of course 11GB vram and the game looks not so good, A lots of games without that high amount of vram usage looks sharper and better… meh
Citation needed.
The problem with you fanboys is that you jump to emotive and judgemental conclusions all the time, at the drop of a hat. Yes the facts are it's an AMD sponsored title, and the facts are that AMD hardware isn't as accomplished with ray tracing atm. But but is it a FACT that there was some kind of conspiracy or collusion between AMD and the developers to gimp the ray tracing for everybody else? Doing that would harm AMD in the long run, because any future improvements in ray tracing capability will be self-sabotaged. These are multi-billion dollar companies. They don't think TH-cam commenters.
@@UberNoodle no need for fanboy accusations. Of course commenting is just like speculation and discussion. Maybe I’m not right I can accept that. There is no weight of a comment. People sometimes take comments too seriously and it’s bad. (AMD and nVidia fanboy fights). But yes it looks like AMD sponsored titles since RDNA2 has bad/low res RT implementation and high VRAM asking, this is maybe a coincidence, but I don’t think so… in the end regular people will play these games, most of them don’t have RX 6800 XT or RTX 3080. It is just the demonstration that “our card is cool in that game etc.” few months from now nobody will care about that. Or when next gen comes. In the end you can play through the game on a RTX 2060 or a RX 5600 XT in 1080p and have a great time.
If you do a rebuild of the ps5 data base and clearer system update cache. The stutters are completely gone. I noticed it when I watched this video and wouldn’t if I hadn’t watched this but after I did two sub options after clicking option 5 in safe mode I can promise you when you now pan the camera like you did in this video the trees and world do not stutter.
Playing this on PS5 and I enjoy it so far. I'm pretty impressed by the graphics and how consoles hold up. After seeing this, I don't even miss the Ray Tracing on console
@@kennethdavidson6508 It is not.
How are the haptic feedback on ps5 dualsense
@@kennethdavidson6508 yeah, it is a bit. In some games, it's almost not noticeable. I enjoy it in Ratchet and Clank or Doom Eternal.
@@cat2830 it's very good. Also the trigger effect feels pretty nice. It's great that these features get so much attention. Also Ghostrunner uses Haptic feedback very nice.
@@philbln thank you for the reply I was on the fence about what one to get series x or PS5 as they're basically identical but if it's got more immersion on the ps5 I'll probably go that route
i suppose they pared back raytracing so it doesn't tank AMD gpu's, which this game clearly targets
@Brendan I think it's just a consequence of the technical implementation of the HD textures, not a deliberate choice
the fact that nvidia skimped on vram on the 3080 is on them. the reason i didn't buy a 3080 is because I play at 5120x1440, 10gigs is just not enough for maxed out modern games. I was forced to get a 3090, then again in hindsight it was a good decision as 3080's are the same price i paid for this one at launch.
It just wasn't much of a focus. My guess is they have a patch in the works to improve it and it just wasn't ready for launch.
Screen tear is bad, I think the camera stutter is causing me quite bad motion sickness it needs to be addressed! Playing on XSX.
XSX and PS5 make an unbeatable price/performance.
Yes!
Consoles always had better price to performance and this current market doesn’t make things better at all.
I swear DF is looking at Xbox series s on a 4k screen and then say " it's not attractive" but I'm running it on a 1440p and it looks gorgeous. Yes I tried it on a 4k tv and it's not "pretty" but for a 1080p -1440p 300 dollar console... It's f-ing amazing !!!
lmao you love to see series s coping all over the internet.
@@spikepsych and why not .I got the series X in my living room and the S in my room... Like to find out more details for what I paid for.
@@erokson9412 ok well thats a special case then still I would probably never ever play the Series S if I had the same setup as you cause I would constantly think to myself "yo this would look better if I just got my ass into another room wtf am I doing?"
@@spikepsych haha I do use my x more cause I got the nicer tv out. But sometimes after a long ass day at work .I like to lay down and play. But still. It's an impressive machine for the price and I only use a monitor in my room instead of my 4k . And believe me it looks very identical to the X but in 1440. And many people might not be able to afford the X or can't get it from the shortage. And that is ok. People may feel like second class and that's not nice .
7:14 The fact that there's a lens flare on PS5 and not Series X makes me wonder if there are other post processing effects missing from the Series X version. Or maybe this is the reason (along with more detailed foliage) the PS5 version runs at a slightly lower average resolution?
There's still lots of lens flare on Series X but I did notice the shot on the beach you're referring to. But I'm playing it on Series X and it definitely has lens flare
Both consoles Run at highest settings preset ,stop with the illusions
No it's because ps5 is even more of a potato than Xbox series x
Yes Xbox is bottleneck machine its can't even run touryst on 8k like powerful PS5
@@yjh1004angel the Falconeer ran at 8k on Series X at launch lol there's nothing powerful about PS5, take your fanboy bullshit back to Twitter kid
No rt shadows on alpha effects is such an odd choice. Grass and leaves benefit the most from more precise shadows so it's pointless without it
And quarter or half res effects should NEVER be the be the only option on pc. It completely ignores the flexibility and future proofing that pc gaming is great at
It's an AMD sponsored title, high res reflectons will definitely tank RX6000 framerates.
I'm really thinking about getting this for series X. I have a TV with VRR so not worried about stutters.
Go for it 😎👍🏽
I've played for six hours on XSX without VRR and haven't noticed a single performance issue. Smooth as butter. Must be the day one patch.
Completely different experience to AC Valhalla.
@@Leithvo how does ac Valhalla run on series x w/wo vrr
@@dtf.editzz I played AC Valhalla day one and it screen teared a lot. It's probably good now after multiple patches.
FC6 plays great straight up.
It's fun but if you are on the fence just wait a month or so where it will be 33% off or so in a pre Xmas sale. That would be my advice anyway :)
The update on October 14th 2021 actually addressed the cutscene stutter. It’s much better now. Thankfully.
8:07 “Xbox Series S with its smaller targets smaller resolutions” and it’s also smaller, maybe we should start calling it “Xbox Series Small” :D
Or PlayStutter 5
I dunno, I think the performance and environments look really good, dropping to 59 FPS is hardly noticeable at all to the naked eye. My issue with the game which wasn't covered enough in this video is the character models could have looked more life like for "next gen". I didn't think the character models looked realistic enough, especially in cutscenes.
@Dr. Hibbs character models look last gen, just saying. Performance in this video looks pretty solid across the board on all platforms, environments look good. Character models look like they are from 2014.
@Dr. Hibbs new graphics cards, new consoles, 2014 character models.
I think the environments look last-gen, blocky, empty, not organically.
@Dr. Hibbs With a next-gen-engine, a revamp, the character models would look intimidating.
Now it looks like Far Cry 3.
Lol it's far cry from Ubisoft what do you honestly expect? It's also on last gen ps4/xbox one
Great breakdown, can you please consider for future add (text) short PC spec under "Alex' optimised settings" @11:46
Great video! Will there be a video on the Battlefield 2042 beta?
only at launch they said
@@ragnar3187 Didn't know that. Thanks
Thank u… was deciding whether to get PS5 or XSX version… I can’t notice the tearing
Get a Pc much better experience
@@robomnemonic3751 much more expensive too though
@@dtf.editzz PC gaming being expensive is a myth. On the long term, pc gaming is much cheaper
@@fatalmokrane how? Series x 500 plus 2 controllers 80 bucks plus 120 bucks for gamepass ultimate. That's 700 plus tax for 2 years. While rtx 3080 base was 700 at launch and now is around 1500 bucks... But yeah it's much cheaper
The best way to get the wobbly framerate on console is to spin in one spot without VRR :)
Damn that camera pan stutter is rough. I can deal with traversal stutter, it doesn't bother me too much, but camera pan stutter is a no go. Glad I didn't buy this day one, will be waiting until that's fixed.
Definitely a bit rough around the edges even if it’s an improvement overall. Ubisoft needs to start giving the far cry teams another year in between titles to polish them up
It was already delayed 8 months for polish.
@@Phil_529 Dunno what to tell ya, it needed more time . Cyberpunk 2077 got delayed 3 times for polish and it still released a mess. Companies shouldn’t release products before they’re finished, it’s their upper management teams fault
@@itsalwaysdarkestbeforethes1198 I mean there are a few minor issues here and there but the game is enjoyable.
@@Phil_529 yeah it’s solid, it’s just not finished. The performance on PC alone shows cut corners
They really need a new engine.
Been playing on XSX and can’t say I’ve noticed any stuttering at all during my 6 or say hours of play. Been also playing Sekiro and its so much more pronounced there, hence me playing FC6 more
Really I noticed the stutter right away on a tv with VRR enabled. Thlught it was frame rate but it appears not.
I’ve been playing on PS5 and the stuttering only really happens in super populated areas with lots of foliage and only really happens if you’re flying through in a car etc. Playing the game normally you won’t notice it very often.
Played 8 hours and I haven't noticed it on my series x, but I wasn't really looking for it or anything like this video does
@@Sedge86 throw your TV in the dumpster because its not doing vrr correctly.... I don't notice dips at all....
@@tonyungfat lol watch the video, they're not fps dips it's camera stutter. If you can't see it then move on.
Also in Farcry 6 when you enable HD textures the Vram bar in video settings doesn't show Vram going over 10 GB with RTX 3080. The Vram usage bar in video settings shows far less than 10 GB usage with every setting maxed.
Why only talking about technical aspects of PS5 and Series X but not on Series S..?
They did talk about Series S.
No mention of the reflections being lower quality on x box series x compared to Ps5?
Series X spitting out 15% higher res, more stable frame rate and has Dolby Vision and Dolby Atmos. Take the L
@@grtcara8386 Dolby vision and atmos? Who cares....
Also performance on the same, did you check the video?
@@kostasbousbouras2654 if you had a TV and Audio set up that spits out Dolby Vision and Dolby Atmos you’d care as the difference is significant. If your playing on a childrens set up then I get it looks the same. I did watch the video the the FPS drops were worse on PS5 and don’t forget Series X has VRR to clean all that up
@@grtcara8386 I knew you xbox fans will use Dolby Atmos as a victory.
Depending on the TV Dolby Atmos can actually look worse, but I'm glad it supports it tho.
@@MiguelRodriguez-lp9et buddy I play my games like I watch my movies Samsung QLED 85” with Sonos Dolby Atmos surround system. I’m rocking a $7000 set up so I want it used which the Series X does and the PS5 doesn’t hence why I only bust out the PS5 for exclusives the rest is dominated by the Series X
This game can also be very CPU bound at times, so increasing graphics settings may not necessarily even have much of a performance hit.
And it uses only 4 out of 8 cores available on consoles. 8 cores on PC bring no increase in fps over 4 core CPUs like 12100F or 3300X.
@@Kynareth6 which causes funny things at 1080p, like a 2070S being barely slower than a 3090
About the stutter... Back in th day when I played Far Cry Primal, I had an unplayable stutter (I do mean unplayable). After some investigation, it turned out that lowering mouse polling rate from 1000hz to 500hz solved the issue completely. Given that FC still runs on the same engine, I wonder if that might help?
Can I just say that after playing this game for a while I am routinely impressed by the lighting, texture work and high quality models with lots of granular detail found throughout.
This is great video, I bought this for my Xbox series x and felt something was wrong and was going to buy it AGAIN for my pc to play it on there better. Now that the problems are on everything I’ll just stick with it. I have a 2080 for my pc but just never use it anymore cuz Xbox series x is way more convenient
Alex good job, pointed out every single issue I had personally found and experienced while playing the game. 'Dunia engine traversal stutter' in my opinion is the single biggest issue I have with the game and in my support ticket I submitted to Ubisoft days ago I had pointed out the exact same issue stating its been in the game ever since FC4 atleast. They really need to put more effort into QA and fix this issue once and for all in their engine, as its otherwise making a polished game rather not polished and really not fun to play.
It’s seriously not that noticeable. The bulk of gameplay is a flawless 60fps. To have slight loading stutters doesn’t break the game and hasn’t hardly impacted my experience with the PS5 version at all
@@thenoobperspective7588 I'd say its rather noticable and more horrible the higher your fps is
I beat the game on PS5 this past week and enjoyed the game for the most part, but it has some abysmal screen tearing even now three months after launch.
The RT settings being that low is probably because AMD sponsors this game and they wouldn't want Radeon cards perfoming badly. That way, even with RT on, 6800 performs similarly to an RTX 3080.
I generally like RT reflections, RT lighting depends on the headroom with my GPU, RT shadows I have yet to leave enabled due to the cost and small change in visual fidelity.
I honestly can't tell the difference. Not worth it.
@@dnegel9546 PC mostly had good shadows anyway. Consoles shadows need to improve.
@@DEVILTAZ35 I dkn.. not sure it's worth it.
Unless it's side by side most ppl won't tell the difference.
@@dnegel9546 That makes me sad for most people
This implementation reminds me of Battlefield back when RT launched.
BF5 RT Reflection is full res, it looks pretty and cost a ton of FPS
RT reflections being held back, well no shit alex it's an AMD sponsered game. This would have looked so good if an Nvidia title with all kinds of high res RT and dlss.
And yet the consoles can't even do it, with an amd gpu inside them lol
Yeah I bet there's some grand conspiracy to nerf the game so that AMD looks better, ... because it looks REALLY GOOD to have quarter a resolution raytracing in a game that your company has sponsored! Yeah it looks so good. What a clever conspiracy!
FFS, why do game is jump so quickly to these kinds of emotive in judgemental conclusions? It is incredibly counterproductive for AMD to engage in the kind of collusion you are insinuating because when the hardware eventually catches up in its capabilities, there are going to be all of these AMD labelled games that have been sabotaged. Unless you think that the conspiracy also includes a sudden release of a raytracing patch on the very day that amd's new graphics cards come out! Lol.
These a multi-billion dollar companies. They don't have the mindsets of TH-cam commenters.
@@UberNoodle
Not hard to conclude. Every AMD one with RT is meh. Dirt 5, Godfall, RE village etc. All Nvidia ones which are numerous have full res RT and yes they can run at half the fps but we need graphics pushing and dlss which is also the best thing ever helps with that.
Seems like a bit of a technical mess as is custom with most Ubisoft games.
Looks like a game from 2010
Its not, it feels great to play and +shadow booster, no its not just a reskin, almost everything has been changed/upgraded from 5
@@Shadowed007 literally what game from 2010 looks like this
@@Shadowed007 The game doesn't look like anything from 2010. Just the animation of the characters.
@@Shadowed007 I know it's cute to be hyperbolic.
But the best looking console games of 2010 feature a list that includes God of War 3 and the original Alan Wake.
Go Google photos of those games and come back and tell me this looks like that with a straight face.
Even going with the PC Version of original Alan Wake back then running at max spec, this game looks better on consoles.
Why do comments like this exist?
I just got the msi delta 15 with a 5800h and 6700m, I found the HD textures caused the traversal stutter almost entirely. I'm at a mix of high and ultra settings, and at 1080p without HD textures, I get next to no stutters, but with it enabled, it absolutely was stuttering, honestly rather frequently.