@@krizby87 Lol, you CAN NOT. Original doom vsync synchronized to 320x200 70Hz runs on halved 35 fps/ticks, and most source ports also. Only much higher level reworks allows to run any fps, and sprites will be on orinal framerate sure.
It was tough to get people onboard at the start but with good work the results are starting to speak for themselves. And now the future of graphics is looking to be fantastic
@@goob8945 it was hard to get people onboard because the only GPUs that supported it in the beginning were underpowered AF (or at least for realtime raytracing), so the only graphical changes devs could make were adding some pointless perfect reflections here and there like in a 90s CGI cause it's the easiest thing to compute. But now the hardware is getting better and AMD also supports it, so it's going to get more and more advanced and complex as time goes on
Ok, The Whole industry needs to study How the hell ID has made Doom eternal so good Optimize on every platform. I mean, This performance is crazy good.
Hmm, how does a present day corridor shooter outperform all present day open world games? You're basically comparing apples with oranges. It's like asking why Mario Kart 8 can be a smooth 60fps, while Breath of the Wild chugs along often below 30fps.
I gotta hand it to id software. They are technical wizards. I've been playing the game on Series X in the ray tracing mode and have really enjoyed it. The smooth 60fps, sharp resolution along with the ray tracing really does make it look nice. Not to mention having some of the best gameplay in the business. This is one of those games in my opinion that really shows off what your new hardware sitting under your TV looks can do. A free upgrade for the graphics along with balances and tweaking that make what was already a perfect game in my opinion even better.
@@fafski1199 I admire developers like id, Insomniac, even Capcom, who produce their own internal engines, embrace all recent graphics tech, and generally offer very nice image quality and performance in results.
I'm playing it on the PS5 and can't agree more amazing that we're getting very good Raytracing on these new consoles so early into their life! Not having to have the faff of going through getting an expensive pc! Love the 120fps too! The haptic are very well implemented, Plus this on an OLED is amazing!
Some of it is that Doom's levels are much smaller than the open world games we're comparing to it. But it is nice not to have to worry about settings on the game.
@@DSP_Visuals Yeah when you break it down DOOM Eternal is a series of arenas with corridors in between. Probably easier to get running well than, say, No Man's Sky. That said, some of those arenas are impressively big. The Gore Nest level has a gigantic one.
@@DSP_Visuals Yea it's also a completely static environment for the most part. No desctruction, physics, dynamic weather, open world, 100 player/AI on screen, etc. Very simple in comparson, but still runs and looks beautiful.
@@bearpuns5910 Completely agreed. Although No Man's Sky runs pretty dang good nowadays too. With all of the optimization and graphics patches they've done
even on my laptop with a 1650, which i have overclocked, i get a near solid 90fps with high/ultra settings... gonna try the texture pool trick as i only hve 4gb
Knowing how characters "look" in FPS games because of camera/limb/weapon position makes me wonder if they're telling the RT engine to reflect a completely different model, rather than the one the player sees in game.
As I understand it (barely), in most FPS games the weapon a player hold is rendered completely outside the game world (or something). So it's not really there to be reflected... or something.
It is a completely different model. If they can synchronize the position and animation, then our brain will accept it. However, seeing the different position and animation breaks the illusion and just looks awkward.
Most FPS games including Doom Eternal have what's call a Floating Limb model. It's pair of high detail arms and legs positioned below the camera to give the player a reference to where their body is but it's a completely independent from the character model that's being used in reflections, cut scenes or what another player would see in PVP. You find some videos where they move the camera away from the character and you can see a gigantic pair of limbs with no torso or head moving around.
@@fcukugimmeausername Yeah, something like that. Usually in a separate depth range, so it will never clip through anything in the "real" world, no matter how close get to walls and stuff. It essentially breaks perspective, but is still less distracting that way.
I'm glad you mentioned Texture pool size, because the game just doesn't benefit from putting this value above "high", at that point it's using 2GB texture pool for streaming textures, but if you use Ultra Nightmare it puts it up to a whopping 4.5GB, this prevents lower vRAM cards from running the game in higher settings but provides basically zero benefit.
This is that entire debate about VRAM on GPUs in a nutshell. Are there games out there that can use close to 10GB of VRAM when you examine them in task manager? Yeah, sure. But do those games really _need_ that 10GB of VRAM? Not really. This isn't 2010 anymore, VRAM simply isn't the end-all be-all it once was.
@@KillahMate Precisely, games are streaming textures these days as/when they need them, and you don't need huge memory pools. I have no idea why they more than doubled the texture pool over what is needed it just creates these stupid debates where people say you need to turn down settings for a specific piece of hardware to run the game, but it has zero impact to the visuals as was shown in this video.
@@KillahMate spot the dudes who own $2000 nvidia vide cards with 8gb ram lol. this game looks old old old, and already cant fit in 10GB. And he specifically points out it DOES make a difference, as it will not load in the high quality textures sometimes without. It may not be a big difference, but nothing on PC is. Hell RAYTRACING isn't a big difference if we're honest. I'm sorry you paid Nvidia for clunker cards again bro. But you know you'll be glad to pay $3000 in a few months again to get an acceptable framebuffer size from nvidia this time. my PHONE has 12GB RAM, I purchased it for 700 in 2018.
@@Frosty-oj6hw huh? the framebuffer has to fit the HQ texures. They cant be "streamed as needed" at all. All you do realize you SSD has 2 GB/s if lucky, and you're card has 800 GB/s for a reason right? or you want to run 1 fps to stream new textures each frame? where do nvidia fanboys come up with this stuff... you paid 2000 for a nvidia card with 6-8 gb, i get it. just pay them 3000 again to get the right size. also dont try to run highest settings even on this old old old looking game, your card cannot hack it. turn the settings down. your card is weak. turn settings down. and wait till stuff like halo infinite comes along lol, good luck with your 8gb nvidia.
Bro it's crazy how good DLSS is. I feel like especially on console, all that GPU power is working hard to keep resolutions up, meanwhile on PC targeting 1080p internal with DLSS looks better than 1800p on console, insane efficiency
RT on pc is all about dlss at the moment, pc cards have a really bad time to maintain framerate with normal RT unless you have a monster gpu, since Series X and PS5 have an amd gpu they will have to wait for the dlss version of amd but I think for a 400/500$ box they are doing incredibly well without dlss at the moment.
We need to approach things cleverly instead of throwing raw GPU power and DLSS is the exact thing we need. Makes 1080p look better than 1440p and less artifacts.
Yeah, DLSS is becoming and increasingly integral part of not just getting "Raytracing" into your game, but making it a substantial enough part of your render pipeline that the game's visuals are improved drastically while saving performance.
This seems more of a case of really bad optimization on console as it is not just the resolution but rather stuff like low AF that makes the textures look blurry. It also doesn't use any temporal reconstruction method which games like Ratchet & Clank Rift Apart uses to reconstruct 4K image from much lower resolution while looking insanely good.
@@RicochetForce DLSS will never go anywhere if it's just confined to NVIDIA RTX cards which only a small percentage of gamers have. Right now NVIDIA are paying these developers to add DLSS support when we need such solutions to grow organically and be easy to implement to have wider adoption.
I'm still in awe how amazing the PlayStation 4 version runs and even more baffled how switch does it !!! Legend has it ,it uses alchemy and dark arcane magic.
For real, I made a video showcasing it on my channel. I say that because when I posted it on Nvidia subreddit, a "Discord Moderator" of /r/Nvidia removed it without even notifying me (shadowban on the thread) and I can only assume it's for self-promotion, except I just wanted to spread the word and I don't run ads or anything, I don't run a youtube channel, I just uploaded a video... That's it. Jesus. It's hard to let people know about these tweaks.
And maintains a solid 30 fps to boot. All I play is Nightmare on PC; I've made it to Taras Nabbad on Switch and am only now considering lowering the difficulty to Ultra Violence ~ unlike DOOM (2016), the only reason I consider this is because playing with a controller is *rough* at and after the Taras Nabbad Slayer Gate, but before then it's surprisingly doable. I would fucking love to play on my Switch with a mouse and keyboard and see just how much it can handle, haha!
@@furry_homunculus To me the visuals in the Switch look just passible. To be fair though playing the game you fly through stuff so fast you'll never notice what you're missing. But man did I double take when DF showed a forklift on Switch vs PC. On Switch I would have never guessed it was a forklift, it looked like a pile of scrap as it literally was just a mound of colors.
The Switch version looks and runs great. I can play Doom wherever I want. As far as controllers go, I honestly have no issues with controllers as opposed to mouse and keyboard. I prefer controllers because they are more comfortable for me. 🤷♂️
@@RevinSOR13 to me the Switch version is the last way I would consider playing a shooter. Nintendo's joystick on the Switch are way too small with very little granular control. I like their pro controller but their joycons are god awful. I like the feel of the controllers in the hands but I can say that those joysticks are definitely the least accurate of the modern consoles. Doom I feel does more fit KBM not for comfort but just for the custom layouts and the fact a mouse is both granular and able to flick at the same time while on a controller you have to be much more careful to do such. It definitely is more necessary on Doom on the higher difficulty settings where you need to literally master the gunplay and get a keen grip of your awareness. For me, in general I do prefer a controller to a KBM for comfort as well, but some games are naturally intense or have really spastic controls so KBM tend to be better in that situation. More often though I switch to KBM if a game has lousy sensitivity like Cyberpunk 2077 where you either get granular and slow or fast but inaccurate. Feel it has to do with games that don't allow you to mess with the turning delay or camera acceleration. On KBM zero acceleration feels perfectly 1:1, on a controller, it feels really jarring. But yes, as a whole I use controllers over KBM. Hell I'm much better with gyros and a controller than a KBM. My control scheme of choice. Shame most games still don't use it, and on PC while normally you could now that games are locking you to KBM or controller you can't in those either. Sucks as it feels so good.
Alex man, you gotta take a breather every now and then. You just talk and talk without separating each subject and everything your trying to talk about just blends together
Honestly I am extremely happy how my 400$ PS5 Digital runs the game with those graphic settings. In my country a RTX3090Ti costs as much as 6 PS5 digitals. id Software are true wizards.
It's not always about resolution especially at the expense of realism. I'd rather have RT on with a hit to shadow resolution because of the minutia that the brain can make out as realistic vs fake.
and because almost noone understand ppi pixel density... the fact 4k 24 inch monitors exist. ppl have 50 inch 1080p still and that is the equivalent of 4 50 inch tvs at 4k for the same ppi... so dont ever buy into 8k has being even slightly worth it, its the tv market trying no to die
@@simlife445 Yeah, even gaming 4k on a 27 / 32 inch monitor is very pointless to me. 3840x1600p on my 38" ultrawide is a fantastic ppi ratio and I don't think I'll ever need to go any higher.
@@MrMrTravman my ps5 is hooked up to a 32" 4k hdr 400 monitor and I think it look pretty good. Switching between performance and quality mode i definitely notice a difference in clarity
@@MegaLPlover Most PS5 games dont display 4k. And thats my point. At 1800p or whatever it looks great. 4K is overkill on smaller screens... Look up the definition of PPI
It is important to have highest fps possible in this game and i was amazed how my 3080 managed to easily maintain 144 fps with everything on ultranightmare + rt ON, insanely good job by developers, game looks stunning with rt!
Keeps up with with my native 165 Hz too! 1440p. This game has always been amazingly optimized. It already looked stunning, but RTX really puts a cherry on top.
Well, I can't physically get 4k 120 hz because my tv does not support it, all I can do is 1440p 120 hz, and 3080 is enough to cover it, but I simply prefer 4k with game mode on, it is first game I enabled it for, but still no need for more than 60 fps.
11:14 Can someone tell me why on earth they would use low AF on consoles?? In almost every case, it is not heavy on performance, maybe like 1-2 fps at most, but it makes such a huge visual difference.
On a DF article speaking to Marco Thrush, CTO and owner of Bluepoint Games - "The amount of AF [anisotropic filtering] has a big impact on memory throughput," Thrush says. "On PCs, lots of memory bandwidth is usually available because it's fully isolated to the graphics card. On consoles with shared memory architecture, that isn't quite the case, but the benefits you get from having shared memory architecture far outweigh the drawbacks."
8:09 NO! Not you too, why does everybody assume the wrong thing? THINK! 2Hx2V Resolution=4x Pixel Count! 1080p is 25% of 4K. 8:13 please make this stop. Ok, 4K/2/4 is 4K/8. 1/8th of 4K is 764p, very HD. That's with DLSS and low reflections combined. Low reflections would just be 1080p while DLSS with High Reflections looks worse due to DLSS being a 2nd layer on top of the reflection's resolution scale.
The number of people who have just learned to point out things like trained chimps playing where's waldo without understanding what is going on is too high. He's literally talking about VRS on the Xbox. VRS makes the image softer. That's how it works. It's not rocket science. Of course the PS5 without VRS is sharper.
I always find this weird too. They probably look at it like they know people tend to sit much further back when playing consoles so any nip and tuck that can be made without seemingly changing things to make games look too poor is fine. I mean, we notice this stuff because Alex is zooming in super far anyway. At normal tv viewing distance, those low quality textures, especially at those weird oblique angles, won't have much of a difference than the higher settings and it might give an extra frame or two during gameplay.
On a DF article speaking to Marco Thrush, CTO and owner of Bluepoint Games - "The amount of AF [anisotropic filtering] has a big impact on memory throughput," Thrush says. "On PCs, lots of memory bandwidth is usually available because it's fully isolated to the graphics card. On consoles with shared memory architecture, that isn't quite the case, but the benefits you get from having shared memory architecture far outweigh the drawbacks." (I copied this comment from another thread, original commenter - Scarlet Villain)
consoles are non-numa, unlike PC which are numa, which just means separate banks of memory, its has benefits, one being bandwidth is not shared so even AF16X is not a problem for even a 1050ti, but consoles can't do it cause of shared bandwidth(even some first party games)..
@@yeruschmift8422 it really doesn't lol, you should have spatial awareness to know where important enemies are in the first place, a freaking reflection is not going to save you if you position yourself wrong or let a cacodemon roam around for too long.
@@steel5897 you can't deny RT brings in greater awareness. One example of how RT genuinely helped is when I saw a demon out of sight enter staggered state through a reflection after I fired a grenade.
If nvidia is able to make dlss run on low power chips they should abuse the fuck out if it and integrate it into their mx lineup of cards which runs at 10w and 25w and are mostly in ultrabooks to render integrated gpu completely obsolete
@@KyleScene what no no, i am not talking about how nintendo could not put a better cooling in the switch and therefore had unded up underclocking the shit out of the tegra x1. Am talking about nvidia not having any of their low powered chips family that support dlss yet. Their current lineup of low powered chips are the tegra and the MX. If they actually end up adding dlss to those, it would open up a whole new market for them (nvidia) in the ultrabooks and mobile devices area to sell them in
Ehh, Nintendo tends to lowball the FUCK out of their hardware meanwhile DLSS requires tensor cores, and a decent amount of them at that. Furthermore, the lower native resolution is, the worse DLSS is. It's not magic after all.
Exactly. All the minuscule differences Alex pointed between consoles and PC are completely unnoticeable 90% of the time unless you stop to do an in-depth analysis like he did
@@alexsilva28 I hope that makes you feel better about your console lacking behind an rtx 2070. PC has 120fps and ray tracing thanks to dlss something you'll never see
If you have poor performance when starting up the game with ray tracing and DLSS, where it locks to around 24-26fps, just set the texture pool to medium, _wait 10 seconds_ (important) and it will rev up to a normal fps. You can set it back higher after that.
Yes the waiting part is important. I was also having issues initially until I realized it takes some time to sort itself out after changing the texture pool size and then it runs fine.
When I heard RT was introduced for DOOM Eternal, I thought uh oh. My poor little 6800XT will go from 165+ fps steady on Ultra Nightmare preset @1440P down to probably 50 fps. Decided to try it anyway. Much to my suprise it does not! At least in the first 3 levels I am steady 150+ fps at all times. I am very pleased. Unlike my experience in Cyberpunk 2077 with RT where fps tanked with max RT. The engine for this game is gold level optimized to say the least! Might play through again.
As cool as RT can look from a technical perspective, in a sense it looks pretty weird because metal is never that polished. Everything looks like it has Vaseline on it, and IMO reflections look especially weird when there is no RT-GI. It makes it look like the reflections don't belong when the GI doesn't match. I think games should always prioritize RT-GI over RT reflections.
I experienced the same bug (17:30) with my laptops rtx 2070. (+ new drivers) Once rt is set to on framerate was terrible for a while. Switching some settings on and off like you did helped to get rid of it. Vielen Dank für die großartige Tech-Analyse! Wie immer auf höchstem Niveau. ;)
Ray tracing is honestly amazing, and I am surprised at how quickly it's being adopted, the consoles surprisingly handle ray tracing great while keeping good resolution and frames, particularly the series x. But.... doom is so action packed and fast paced will it make a difference? Guess I'll have to reinstall and find out! Lol.
A bit off topic but I reinstalled Cyberpunk to try out DLSS 2.2 with it having not played since launch. Got a RTX 3080 and play at 4K, I cranked all the settings up to max and set a 40fps frame cap for a smooth experience with DLSS set to Performance so 4K reconstructed from 1080p. And wow if it isn't the best looking game out there and I include Rift Apart. Absolutely breath-taking and it wouldn't be possible today without the massive improvements Nvidia have made to DLSS as well as their great ray tracing performance. Cyberpunk doesn't get enough credit for the visual marvel it is on PC. I hope the devs know their work is appreciated and I look forward to seeing what they come up with next!
Been waiting for this, I waited to play this on the Series X for this upgrade and I've been blown away. Can't wait to jump into the dlc, they did a great job here and far more impressive then I expected
@@j_dun4830 I've been waiting for more games to give me a wow factor and impress me for the next gen and this one really hit the mark which is surprising since it's just an upgrade and not made for this engine
@@TGravy-wp4rc yea the lighting really makes a difference I'm playing it on the LG CX and the lighting has me stopping to appreciate it after clearing the area. Usually indifferent on cutscenes but I was wanting a few more here
Consoles still using lower than 16x anisotropic filtering has me puzzled... 🤔Shouldn't this be maxed out before touching any other settings (since they can absolutely handle that without any significant performance impact)?!
I think game devs do it cause most people play on consoles with their TVs and sit far away. Its a minimal performance benefit but also something that's hard to notice on even big 4k TVs when you're sitting far away.
@@MLWJ1993 It's still odd yeah. They could at least do 8x. More and more games are doing decent with filtering and Xbox even forced 16x on all back compat games
Consoles have a unified pool of memory that's fast (especially in the new generation of consoles) but not quite _that_ fast - the issue is that the VRAM in PC GPUs is dedicated to texture data and the memory controllers are completely optimized for texture access in a way that makes 16x anisotropic filtering only a moderate load. On the other hand since consoles don't really have VRAM, but instead use a generalized version of VRAM with memory controllers that need to access that memory both in bulk (for the GPU) and granularly (for the CPU), 16x AF represents a real load on the memory bus - a bus that could probably be better used for something else at that moment.
I was waiting for this video. Ray Tracing transforms Doom Eternal into a visual masterpiece. It's absolutely insane how seamlessly the technology works.
What? It barely makes a difference, at least I could barely tell it was on in most of the areas I played, and when you're in combat it's completely pointless.
I think the world is lucky to have a person like you who is willing and loves doing analysis like this Alex this is a hell of a lot of work but is a great and informative production, great work.
There is the same amount of pixels on a TV & monitor. However, they are far larger on 70' TV than on a 27' monitor. Plus, you really aren't that much further away (4 to 5 feet more). You actually notice a worse image more on a TV, than on a monitor.
@@V1CT1MIZED The zooms are meant more for those people watching the video in lower resolutions. For example a comparison between two systems at 4K, will look almost exactly the same, if you are watching the video on a 1440p/1080p TV/Monitor or 720p Smart Phone. Even if one was substantially worse than the other. For obvious reasons, you cannot view a 4K image, in all it's glory on a 720p Smart Phone. It would be missing hell a lot of pixel data to be able to tell any differance. So, the only way you can really show them any difference, is too zoom in on both the images.
@@Hoomi1504 Exactly. I can instantly notice the difference in any game, even dropping from Ultra to Very High. Ultra to Medium is usually a world apart.
I'm happy that we got RT at all but when id teased that they wanted to add ray tracing, I was expecting way more ray traced effects than just reflections. There's so many areas of this game that could benefit from more ray traced effects. There's so many lights in this game that don't cast shadows, and just adding some bounce lighting could go a long ways...
This video is gold. We've got an already stunning wonderfully optimized game adding yet more eye candy, then this guy comes in with his no all killer no filler guide on how to get even more out of this. The texture pool settings and the console commands max out RT tricks are the icing on the cake. I salute you sir
@@GraveUypo but that's the beauty of having options to tweak on PC, play the game how you'd like to. And hey if he's giving us more options to play with then that's a win in my book!
@@guybrushthreepwood8174 It looke absolutely incredible on the Series X. I spent a Cpl hours last night just walking around looking at the environment lol
@@guybrushthreepwood8174 I had the One X as well and it did look incredible even then. That was such an awesome console, I’m glad I upgraded to it when it came out.
Sure, but you have to pay for that quality and performance. I could buy a PS5, Series X, a Switch and some games for the price of a PC that can outperform nextgen consoles. I think for the price of consoles you're getting excellent performance and value. I mean you can't even begin to build a PC for $399 that can match a PS5 Digital. The graphics card alone would cost you $399 and that's if you find it for MSRP.
@@03chrisv the cost of consoles are hidden first off they loose hundreds on each console and while you pay more for games you pay to play online you pay you pay you pay the console makers nickel and dime you in the long run you would be surprised how much you really pay on console they ain't loosing hundreds on each console without knowing dam well they can make up for it
@@WASD-MVME That's a tired old argument that doesn't hold any water. Console games can be bought during sales or second hand, not to mention PC games cost just as much as console games when they first come out, like RE Village for example. Paying for online isn't that much ($60 a year for PS Plus) and they regularly include free games. I've downloaded so many free games from PS Plus that it more than made up for the small yearly fee. Also free to play games don't require an online subscription. PC gaming is simply more expensive, there's no sense arguing that it isn't. If you want to say PC gaming offers the best technology and versatility that's fine, but you can't also go around and say that it's cheaper in the long run or offers better value. That's you trying to have your cake and eat it too.
@@Saif0412 PC games are not typically way cheaper. All new games are usually the same price as console versions. Maybe you can find deals on Steam or the Epic store after a game has been out for a while but the same holds true for console games, especially if you prefer physical copies many retailers will sell games at discount or you can buy games used for a good price. This narrative of PC games being way cheaper is just misinformation and a straight up lie.
@@nickmotsarsky4382 regardless, it's barely noticeable and only serves to destroy the frame rate.. I won't care at all about raytracing until 5 or so years from now, when it finally gets properly implemented
Good to know my i9-11900k and MSI Suprim X RTX 3090 should run it fairly well...EDIT: Yeah 4K at Ultra-Nightmare settings with RT on and DLSS set to quality. I locked it to 60fps and while playing it the GPU utilisation didn't go above 48%, so a big margin of power not being used....it didn't break a sweat.
I was more impressed with the 120fps mode. When there is intense moments going on with Ray tracing on, the frame rate isn't the greatest. Thanks to game pass I was able to give it a go on the series x, but I much prefer the 120fps mode, it's crazy smooth. I have a 2070 Super so I think I will stick to the PC version in this case with Ray tracing on as it looks a lot better and my frame rate is in the 100's at 4K.
I find the RT to be fairly lackluster on PS5. I prefer the resolution or performance modes by a long shot, I feel like the increased resolution just looks better than the way RT was optimized. This is pretty much like Control again, the RT is fun to play around with for 30 minutes, then I switch to the better option when the novelty of reflections wears off. Metro Exodus though, wow. That game is stunning on PS5. I honestly can't believe that was a free upgrade, if any game deserved a $10 fee it was that one. I highly doubt Ghost of Tsushima will even come close.
Well. I finally traded in my 1080ti and got myself the behemoth that is the 3080ti. So much power I honestly am impressed. I will be going back to Doom Eternal with new eyes and will be taking all your settings into account. I'm excited to play it again now.
I have weird performance issues when turning RT and DLSS on. I have to restart the game and sometimes lower all my settings to Low and then raise them back up one by one or else the performance tanks
i have the same issue. Once i left the game alt tabbed for several hours, and when I came back to it, it's as if DLSS and native were both being rendered at the same time. like I had a smaller rectangle with a replica of the game in the corner, and the whole thing was flashing awfully. most of the time, when I launch the game, I have to alt+enter a few times before I get the feeling that DLSS actually kicks in properly. it's very odd.
Have you tried turning off Steam overlay? That fixed performance issues completely for me! It's weird af though. Steam overlay on? 20 fps, consistently terrible. Steam Overlay off? 144+ fps no problem. Though this was an issue for me even before RT was implemented
I bought an RTX 4070 last year and recently reinstalled Doom Eternal. The ray tracing really does look very nice in this game. Playing the game with 4k resolution, maxed out graphics settings, and ray tracing is a real treat for the eyes. Gorgeous game.
Will be interesting to see how well the consoles do once they have FidelityFX support, atm I'm stuck with the 1080ti so my only source of ray tracing in on my Series X xD.
Maybe some more time to mature then but I think when the quality is on par or close with dlss they would be crazy not to use it, would give such a performance buffer for other details, mainly raytracing.
@@93836 not what i've been reading. i've been reading devs saying that at high resolutions they prefer fsr over dlss because it has less artifacts, and that the adoption over time should be massively in favor of fsr. and they're implementing it in the console version of their game. i can't find the quote right now and i don't even remember which game it was, but that's the gist of it.
Even in RT mode on XSX, you’re only losing 360 pixels of a true, native 4K resolution, which is unnoticeable sitting 6-8ft from the tv. id tech is the best tech when it comes to a graphics engine!!! Crazy what they were able to do with this optimization.
Honestly, the first game to showcase the power of my Series X since November, lol!! Never thought it would have came from a patch on a game that released 8 months before the hardware even released!!!!
it's funny, Doom is such a fast pace game that you'll rarely appreciate the added RT reflections. The RT add-on generally needs to be in your face, and affect the overall look of the game, not something that'll be difficult to spot unless you stop and look for it.
Completely misunderstanding the point of these improvements in being that even if they are hard to see they are still there and overall enhancing player experience for those who can afford it
@@NEEDFORSLEEP213 I can afford it but it really doesn't improve jacksquat for me. Doom Eternal is an amazing game, you really don't need raytracing to have a "Great Experience"
I have no problem clearing the game at Ultra Nightmare difficulty with 100FPS, no idea why you would need to run the game at higher FPS by sacrificing visuals. If you don't like pretty looking game, just play some 2D games LMAO
@@eaglepower463 I hope to God that’s what he meant, but he hasn’t clarified that or corrected himself at all. From where I am standing, it looks very dishonest from Alex.
@@jess648 Yes, Marty Stratton wrote a message to the community about it just recently. Basically, all things considered*, it was deemed a new horde mode would be better appreciated by the community as opposed to invasion. *Working from home, the amount of work it would take to implement either mode weighed with how much the community may appreciate/use either, etc. While I am excited for the new mode, the Taras Nabbad Master Level is showing me I probably wouldn't last long, hah!
I don't know if idtech has done some extravagant optimizations with this game. But playing this on a 6600XT at 1440p I can basically run the game at high settings, with reflections set to normal I get around 80-90fps. With DRS I can lock it to 120fps without much scaling at all. On AMD GPUs it makes sense to lower settings which won't result in any reasonable visual impact since their RT performance is shared with rasterization performance. "High" basically looks indistinguishable from "Ultra Nightmare", often it just has to do with draw distance, and at "high", that draw distance is really far away already.
@@Jetanium I don't think so, even when this crypto shit will be over, Nvidia will release the new series, they waiting in the BC. Just see how many gamers sitting on old cards...they never want to buy an overpriced shit, when a new series can come in any moment...Some retards buying cards while it was overpriced, but this isn't normal at all, or not standards... This happened after the FIRST in 2018 december, then they released 16xx cards+2xxx cards after that just small time difference. So, 2060S/5700 is medium card, its like an RX580 at that time.
So… if I spend 2500.00 on a rig I can get slightly better quality that is mostly only noticeable at 400x zoom, than a PS5, or I can spend 500.00 and get a PS5… when it’s available again of course. Lol. It’s a no brainer for me.
@Y94R minecraft was on PlayStation before Xbox bought them use your brain. Starfield is exclusive to Xbox, redfall is exclusive to Xbox and on a recent IGN podcast Ryan said Phil spencer said ES6 will basically be exclusive. You’ve got to be a dumbass to think the next doom won’t be
love the OG doom music in the background. Time to replay eternal so I can see how the doomsayers face looks in the reflection of demonic blood whilst ripping and tearing
Developer : *Implements Ray Tracing
Alex : I have been summoned.
Sums it up 😂
His boss, Witchard: FETCH ME THEIR SOULS
Felt like a Nvidia promo 😬
@@mikemuponda1781 You meant to say" Summons it up"
@@duncanself5111 i read nvidia porn
Always nice to know that those reflections are there when your tear-assing around the level trying to stay alive.
“Wow look at that!”
“I’m a little busy circle strafing at 63mph!”
haha funny
well you can always play the original DOOM at 2000fps
@@krizby87 Lol, you CAN NOT. Original doom vsync synchronized to 320x200 70Hz runs on halved 35 fps/ticks, and most source ports also. Only much higher level reworks allows to run any fps, and sprites will be on orinal framerate sure.
@@TheDrQuake DOOM Eternal can run at 1000fps with you lower the settings enough LMAO
I LOVE how quickly proper realtime raytracing is becoming adopted in games.
It was tough to get people onboard at the start but with good work the results are starting to speak for themselves. And now the future of graphics is looking to be fantastic
@@goob8945 DLSS is really making all the difference for me.
@@Volker_A4 good for you
DLSS is the reason RT inclusion isn't as taxing as it used to be...
@@goob8945 it was hard to get people onboard because the only GPUs that supported it in the beginning were underpowered AF (or at least for realtime raytracing), so the only graphical changes devs could make were adding some pointless perfect reflections here and there like in a 90s CGI cause it's the easiest thing to compute. But now the hardware is getting better and AMD also supports it, so it's going to get more and more advanced and complex as time goes on
I wish Bioshock would get the same treatment, Rapture would look amazing.
yes :-) both the first and third game
@@Busman142 ...and the third
Without a doubt. I wish Arkham Knight would get the RT treatment also. That rain, the neon lights, the shadows...
@@ramonandrajo6348 Back under your bridge.
@@ramonandrajo6348 ?
Admit it, Doom Eternal is one of the best optimized game, even with raytracing mode on
Of course, it's a linear corridor shooter.
@@Aggrofool hurr durr
Doesn't it even run well on the switch?
Well yeah, idtech does great stuff. We know this.
xDD another dumb kid who thinks frames are everything
Ok, The Whole industry needs to study How the hell ID has made Doom eternal so good Optimize on every platform.
I mean, This performance is crazy good.
ID have always been good with engines
Same with doom 2016, I have a 5 year old Dell laptop with a trash graphics card and run that on ultra 110fps I was blown away
Decals. Lots and lots of decals.
Hmm, how does a present day corridor shooter outperform all present day open world games? You're basically comparing apples with oranges. It's like asking why Mario Kart 8 can be a smooth 60fps, while Breath of the Wild chugs along often below 30fps.
Yep, they're simply the best in the business when it comes to optimisation and squeezing every last drop of possible performance, out of any system.
I'm always interested in how intergalactic beings love shiny floors and walls like how are they even cleaning these things?
That's funny.... Must have a flash mop
They shine the floors and walls the very essence of RBG
They don't have to clean em if there's no dirt or bacteria and shit that exists in the place lol
I guess if they can do intergalactic travel , room cleaning is not a problem for at least couple of thousand years
Ima say robots. We have them and can barely get to the moon.
I gotta hand it to id software. They are technical wizards. I've been playing the game on Series X in the ray tracing mode and have really enjoyed it. The smooth 60fps, sharp resolution along with the ray tracing really does make it look nice. Not to mention having some of the best gameplay in the business. This is one of those games in my opinion that really shows off what your new hardware sitting under your TV looks can do. A free upgrade for the graphics along with balances and tweaking that make what was already a perfect game in my opinion even better.
They're simply the best in the business when it comes to optimisation and squeezing every last drop of possible performance out of any system.
@@fafski1199 I admire developers like id, Insomniac, even Capcom, who produce their own internal engines, embrace all recent graphics tech, and generally offer very nice image quality and performance in results.
Especially when you compare the Series X price to the cost of a mediocre RT capable GPU.
I was just playing on my Series X too, although I gotta say I prefer running at 120fps
I'm playing it on the PS5 and can't agree more amazing that we're getting very good Raytracing on these new consoles so early into their life! Not having to have the faff of going through getting an expensive pc! Love the 120fps too! The haptic are very well implemented, Plus this on an OLED is amazing!
Alex's optimized settings at 17:53
Yeah, only spelled wrong :P
@@dildojizzbaggins6969 Maybe you want to look that up before correcting.
Pin this!
idtech 7 really is a miracle of an engine
Some of it is that Doom's levels are much smaller than the open world games we're comparing to it. But it is nice not to have to worry about settings on the game.
@@DSP_Visuals Yeah when you break it down DOOM Eternal is a series of arenas with corridors in between. Probably easier to get running well than, say, No Man's Sky.
That said, some of those arenas are impressively big. The Gore Nest level has a gigantic one.
@@DSP_Visuals much smaller, but also much more detailled. I agree though.
@@DSP_Visuals Yea it's also a completely static environment for the most part. No desctruction, physics, dynamic weather, open world, 100 player/AI on screen, etc. Very simple in comparson, but still runs and looks beautiful.
@@bearpuns5910 Completely agreed. Although No Man's Sky runs pretty dang good nowadays too. With all of the optimization and graphics patches they've done
Simply an insane enhancement on a game that already is so visually impressive.
@Pards S just downloaded it for my ps5 2nd playthrough it is:D
even on my laptop with a 1650, which i have overclocked, i get a near solid 90fps with high/ultra settings... gonna try the texture pool trick as i only hve 4gb
You mean they just made every surface unreasonably glossy and ruined the aesthetic of the game.
@@imadecoy. No, the game looks better with RT & if you don't like them, you don't have to turn them on.
@@nonyabusiness6084 You can play hall of mirrors if that's what you like. I'll just play DOOM.
Man! Those tweaks really made the game even more crisp. In ten years we're gonna be able to do more too. Crazy to think
Knowing how characters "look" in FPS games because of camera/limb/weapon position makes me wonder if they're telling the RT engine to reflect a completely different model, rather than the one the player sees in game.
That's exactly what they're doing.
As I understand it (barely), in most FPS games the weapon a player hold is rendered completely outside the game world (or something). So it's not really there to be reflected... or something.
It is a completely different model. If they can synchronize the position and animation, then our brain will accept it. However, seeing the different position and animation breaks the illusion and just looks awkward.
Most FPS games including Doom Eternal have what's call a Floating Limb model. It's pair of high detail arms and legs positioned below the camera to give the player a reference to where their body is but it's a completely independent from the character model that's being used in reflections, cut scenes or what another player would see in PVP.
You find some videos where they move the camera away from the character and you can see a gigantic pair of limbs with no torso or head moving around.
@@fcukugimmeausername Yeah, something like that. Usually in a separate depth range, so it will never clip through anything in the "real" world, no matter how close get to walls and stuff. It essentially breaks perspective, but is still less distracting that way.
I'm glad you mentioned Texture pool size, because the game just doesn't benefit from putting this value above "high", at that point it's using 2GB texture pool for streaming textures, but if you use Ultra Nightmare it puts it up to a whopping 4.5GB, this prevents lower vRAM cards from running the game in higher settings but provides basically zero benefit.
This is that entire debate about VRAM on GPUs in a nutshell. Are there games out there that can use close to 10GB of VRAM when you examine them in task manager? Yeah, sure. But do those games really _need_ that 10GB of VRAM? Not really. This isn't 2010 anymore, VRAM simply isn't the end-all be-all it once was.
@@KillahMate Precisely, games are streaming textures these days as/when they need them, and you don't need huge memory pools. I have no idea why they more than doubled the texture pool over what is needed it just creates these stupid debates where people say you need to turn down settings for a specific piece of hardware to run the game, but it has zero impact to the visuals as was shown in this video.
The difference between high and ultra on my 3070 is the difference between ultra smooth or stuttery mess. Thanks for the info.
@@KillahMate spot the dudes who own $2000 nvidia vide cards with 8gb ram lol. this game looks old old old, and already cant fit in 10GB. And he specifically points out it DOES make a difference, as it will not load in the high quality textures sometimes without. It may not be a big difference, but nothing on PC is. Hell RAYTRACING isn't a big difference if we're honest. I'm sorry you paid Nvidia for clunker cards again bro. But you know you'll be glad to pay $3000 in a few months again to get an acceptable framebuffer size from nvidia this time. my PHONE has 12GB RAM, I purchased it for 700 in 2018.
@@Frosty-oj6hw huh? the framebuffer has to fit the HQ texures. They cant be "streamed as needed" at all. All you do realize you SSD has 2 GB/s if lucky, and you're card has 800 GB/s for a reason right? or you want to run 1 fps to stream new textures each frame?
where do nvidia fanboys come up with this stuff...
you paid 2000 for a nvidia card with 6-8 gb, i get it. just pay them 3000 again to get the right size. also dont try to run highest settings even on this old old old looking game, your card cannot hack it. turn the settings down. your card is weak. turn settings down. and wait till stuff like halo infinite comes along lol, good luck with your 8gb nvidia.
Bro it's crazy how good DLSS is. I feel like especially on console, all that GPU power is working hard to keep resolutions up, meanwhile on PC targeting 1080p internal with DLSS looks better than 1800p on console, insane efficiency
RT on pc is all about dlss at the moment, pc cards have a really bad time to maintain framerate with normal RT unless you have a monster gpu, since Series X and PS5 have an amd gpu they will have to wait for the dlss version of amd but I think for a 400/500$ box they are doing incredibly well without dlss at the moment.
We need to approach things cleverly instead of throwing raw GPU power and DLSS is the exact thing we need. Makes 1080p look better than 1440p and less artifacts.
Yeah, DLSS is becoming and increasingly integral part of not just getting "Raytracing" into your game, but making it a substantial enough part of your render pipeline that the game's visuals are improved drastically while saving performance.
This seems more of a case of really bad optimization on console as it is not just the resolution but rather stuff like low AF that makes the textures look blurry. It also doesn't use any temporal reconstruction method which games like Ratchet & Clank Rift Apart uses to reconstruct 4K image from much lower resolution while looking insanely good.
@@RicochetForce DLSS will never go anywhere if it's just confined to NVIDIA RTX cards which only a small percentage of gamers have. Right now NVIDIA are paying these developers to add DLSS support when we need such solutions to grow organically and be easy to implement to have wider adoption.
I'm still in awe how amazing the PlayStation 4 version runs and even more baffled how switch does it !!! Legend has it ,it uses alchemy and dark arcane magic.
And the blood of Romero's firstborn son probably lol
Black magic was definitly used to get it running on Switch.
Great video, as always!
A constructive critic: please add timestamps ;)
I wish the Battaglia tweaks at the end were just packaged in to the ultra nightmare settings so that commoners could easily try it out.
For real, I made a video showcasing it on my channel. I say that because when I posted it on Nvidia subreddit, a "Discord Moderator" of /r/Nvidia removed it without even notifying me (shadowban on the thread) and I can only assume it's for self-promotion, except I just wanted to spread the word and I don't run ads or anything, I don't run a youtube channel, I just uploaded a video... That's it. Jesus.
It's hard to let people know about these tweaks.
Turn 10, ID, Naughty dog, Insomniac Games, Santa Monica, Rockstar Games. Those are not making games, they are making ART!
Forgot Playground
The Coalition, 4A Games, GSC Game World as well
ART, Amazing Ray Tracing
@@Pyroclasm1338 👍😂
Games are art
The most surprising thing is that this game got ported to the Switch. Somehow. Witchcraft.
And maintains a solid 30 fps to boot.
All I play is Nightmare on PC; I've made it to Taras Nabbad on Switch and am only now considering lowering the difficulty to Ultra Violence ~ unlike DOOM (2016), the only reason I consider this is because playing with a controller is *rough* at and after the Taras Nabbad Slayer Gate, but before then it's surprisingly doable.
I would fucking love to play on my Switch with a mouse and keyboard and see just how much it can handle, haha!
Switchcraft
@@furry_homunculus To me the visuals in the Switch look just passible. To be fair though playing the game you fly through stuff so fast you'll never notice what you're missing. But man did I double take when DF showed a forklift on Switch vs PC. On Switch I would have never guessed it was a forklift, it looked like a pile of scrap as it literally was just a mound of colors.
The Switch version looks and runs great. I can play Doom wherever I want. As far as controllers go, I honestly have no issues with controllers as opposed to mouse and keyboard. I prefer controllers because they are more comfortable for me. 🤷♂️
@@RevinSOR13 to me the Switch version is the last way I would consider playing a shooter. Nintendo's joystick on the Switch are way too small with very little granular control. I like their pro controller but their joycons are god awful. I like the feel of the controllers in the hands but I can say that those joysticks are definitely the least accurate of the modern consoles.
Doom I feel does more fit KBM not for comfort but just for the custom layouts and the fact a mouse is both granular and able to flick at the same time while on a controller you have to be much more careful to do such. It definitely is more necessary on Doom on the higher difficulty settings where you need to literally master the gunplay and get a keen grip of your awareness.
For me, in general I do prefer a controller to a KBM for comfort as well, but some games are naturally intense or have really spastic controls so KBM tend to be better in that situation. More often though I switch to KBM if a game has lousy sensitivity like Cyberpunk 2077 where you either get granular and slow or fast but inaccurate. Feel it has to do with games that don't allow you to mess with the turning delay or camera acceleration. On KBM zero acceleration feels perfectly 1:1, on a controller, it feels really jarring.
But yes, as a whole I use controllers over KBM. Hell I'm much better with gyros and a controller than a KBM. My control scheme of choice. Shame most games still don't use it, and on PC while normally you could now that games are locking you to KBM or controller you can't in those either. Sucks as it feels so good.
Alex man, you gotta take a breather every now and then. You just talk and talk without separating each subject and everything your trying to talk about just blends together
Honestly I am extremely happy how my 400$ PS5 Digital runs the game with those graphic settings. In my country a RTX3090Ti costs as much as 6 PS5 digitals. id Software are true wizards.
Exactly. Your flat out getting a low end GPU for the cost of a series x in Australia 🇦🇺
Should've went with XSS or Disk edition mate.
@@K.R.X nah I would take a PS5 digital over a xss any day. I would take a xsx over a digital PS5 but ultimately I would take a regular PS5.
@@rockettbuggey5990 You're wrong mate. You're ending up paying way more than you'd have ever paid if you went with XSX. I can explain if you want❤️.
@@K.R.X it turns out people have preferences and are competent enough to know what their individual value levels are.
It's not always about resolution especially at the expense of realism. I'd rather have RT on with a hit to shadow resolution because of the minutia that the brain can make out as realistic vs fake.
and because almost noone understand ppi pixel density... the fact 4k 24 inch monitors exist. ppl have 50 inch 1080p still and that is the equivalent of 4 50 inch tvs at 4k for the same ppi... so dont ever buy into 8k has being even slightly worth it, its the tv market trying no to die
@@simlife445 Yeah, even gaming 4k on a 27 / 32 inch monitor is very pointless to me.
3840x1600p on my 38" ultrawide is a fantastic ppi ratio and I don't think I'll ever need to go any higher.
@@MrMrTravman my ps5 is hooked up to a 32" 4k hdr 400 monitor and I think it look pretty good. Switching between performance and quality mode i definitely notice a difference in clarity
@@MegaLPlover Most PS5 games dont display 4k. And thats my point. At 1800p or whatever it looks great. 4K is overkill on smaller screens...
Look up the definition of PPI
@@simlife445 I think the people who buy 50 inch 1080p TV's just want a bigger tv and don't know anything about Pixel Density
wow you used my suggestion of doing ping-pong loops for comparisons!
It is important to have highest fps possible in this game and i was amazed how my 3080 managed to easily maintain 144 fps with everything on ultranightmare + rt ON, insanely good job by developers, game looks stunning with rt!
Keeps up with with my native 165 Hz too! 1440p. This game has always been amazingly optimized. It already looked stunning, but RTX really puts a cherry on top.
@@Prizrak-hv6qk same, it's insane
I am glad because I have an RTX 3080 as well and a nice OLED display
Well, I can't physically get 4k 120 hz because my tv does not support it, all I can do is 1440p 120 hz, and 3080 is enough to cover it, but I simply prefer 4k with game mode on, it is first game I enabled it for, but still no need for more than 60 fps.
"2060... very low end GPU".
My 2060 is very offended
that when it took it personally
How much does one of those things cost?
i think he meant when it comes to raytracing the 2060 is at the lower end of the power spectrum.
@@kpag3030 my gf bought hers for 300, but that was more than a year ago
Don't be, he was talking RT GPUs.....
DLSS is the best thing to happen to games in a long time.I love it.
11:14 Can someone tell me why on earth they would use low AF on consoles?? In almost every case, it is not heavy on performance, maybe like 1-2 fps at most, but it makes such a huge visual difference.
I think it's something to do with how consoles share memory, so maybe a bandwidth limitation
On a DF article speaking to Marco Thrush, CTO and owner of Bluepoint Games - "The amount of AF [anisotropic filtering] has a big impact on memory throughput," Thrush says. "On PCs, lots of memory bandwidth is usually available because it's fully isolated to the graphics card. On consoles with shared memory architecture, that isn't quite the case, but the benefits you get from having shared memory architecture far outweigh the drawbacks."
AF is one of those settings that I always manually change to 16X in every game possible because it is so noticeable compared to other settings.
Console memory bandwidth is a bottleneck
@@MediaBrad but doesn't the Xbox Series X/S use a split pool memory system. On the X it's 10 GB for graphics and 6 GB for everything else?
8:09 NO! Not you too, why does everybody assume the wrong thing? THINK! 2Hx2V Resolution=4x Pixel Count! 1080p is 25% of 4K. 8:13 please make this stop. Ok, 4K/2/4 is 4K/8. 1/8th of 4K is 764p, very HD. That's with DLSS and low reflections combined. Low reflections would just be 1080p while DLSS with High Reflections looks worse due to DLSS being a 2nd layer on top of the reflection's resolution scale.
11:36 PS5 is sharper than Series x
The number of people who have just learned to point out things like trained chimps playing where's waldo without understanding what is going on is too high. He's literally talking about VRS on the Xbox. VRS makes the image softer. That's how it works. It's not rocket science. Of course the PS5 without VRS is sharper.
@@krazyfrog that's why there are monkeys making fun of vrr not available on ps5
@@krazyfrog The only *"chimps"* were the one's who hyped up VRS without knowing what it was like a bunch of morons screaming FULL RDNA 2.0
Why do current gen consoles still have shitty Anisotropic Filtering when it literally doesn't cost shit on PC.
this
I need answers
Af?
Because the tech is dated and under powered at launch
@@frankthecat1660 anisotropic filtering
@@floatinggoose9197 how are they underpowered?? their equivalent hardware is WAY better than what most PC players have
Why do consoles still use low AF settings? It something that barely affects performance on PC
I always find this weird too. They probably look at it like they know people tend to sit much further back when playing consoles so any nip and tuck that can be made without seemingly changing things to make games look too poor is fine. I mean, we notice this stuff because Alex is zooming in super far anyway. At normal tv viewing distance, those low quality textures, especially at those weird oblique angles, won't have much of a difference than the higher settings and it might give an extra frame or two during gameplay.
I think it has something to do with the RAM and VRAM being shared memory and it makes AF more expensive, or at least it used to.
On a DF article speaking to Marco Thrush, CTO and owner of Bluepoint Games - "The amount of AF [anisotropic filtering] has a big impact on memory throughput," Thrush says. "On PCs, lots of memory bandwidth is usually available because it's fully isolated to the graphics card. On consoles with shared memory architecture, that isn't quite the case, but the benefits you get from having shared memory architecture far outweigh the drawbacks." (I copied this comment from another thread, original commenter - Scarlet Villain)
I have a feeling the AF is actually a carry over from last gen builds.
consoles are non-numa, unlike PC which are numa, which just means separate banks of memory, its has benefits, one being bandwidth is not shared so even AF16X is not a problem for even a 1050ti, but consoles can't do it cause of shared bandwidth(even some first party games)..
Doom runs so smooth/fast. I'm not even sure if you notice the reflections
Once in a while RT helps in combat when I see an enemy or a projectile in reflection.
I just stick with the 120fps mode on Series X
@@yeruschmift8422 it really doesn't lol, you should have spatial awareness to know where important enemies are in the first place, a freaking reflection is not going to save you if you position yourself wrong or let a cacodemon roam around for too long.
@@steel5897 you can't deny RT brings in greater awareness.
One example of how RT genuinely helped is when I saw a demon out of sight enter staggered state through a reflection after I fired a grenade.
There's downtime between combat encounters, which is when I like to peep at the reflections
Nintendo potentially using DLSS for the Switch successor should make things very interesting.
If nvidia is able to make dlss run on low power chips they should abuse the fuck out if it and integrate it into their mx lineup of cards which runs at 10w and 25w and are mostly in ultrabooks to render integrated gpu completely obsolete
@@GemayelDaniel Thats on Nintendo for dumbing down the switch its is essentially a sh**ty Nvidia shield
@@KyleScene what no no, i am not talking about how nintendo could not put a better cooling in the switch and therefore had unded up underclocking the shit out of the tegra x1. Am talking about nvidia not having any of their low powered chips family that support dlss yet.
Their current lineup of low powered chips are the tegra and the MX.
If they actually end up adding dlss to those, it would open up a whole new market for them (nvidia) in the ultrabooks and mobile devices area to sell them in
@@GemayelDaniel i gotcha homie
Ehh, Nintendo tends to lowball the FUCK out of their hardware meanwhile DLSS requires tensor cores, and a decent amount of them at that. Furthermore, the lower native resolution is, the worse DLSS is. It's not magic after all.
This game is generally running so fast, you won't even notice most of these effects.
yep,... every time combat started I ended up switching to 120fps,... after the fight,... back to Raytracing to look at the pretties lol
Exactly. All the minuscule differences Alex pointed between consoles and PC are completely unnoticeable 90% of the time unless you stop to do an in-depth analysis like he did
@@alexsilva28 I hope that makes you feel better about your console lacking behind an rtx 2070. PC has 120fps and ray tracing thanks to dlss something you'll never see
@@theanimerapper6351 dlss? Lol amd is implementing there own version as well which Xbox is getting too,
Also console have a much longer lifespan than pc, try playing a game like red dead redemption 2 with a setup from 2013 or 2015 like Xbox and ps4 can.
"This is a 120fps with ray tracing on a _very low end_ GPU" *cries in out of stock*
is 2060 a very low end Gpu now?
@@insatiateire4784 it's the lowest tier of RTX series but that doesn't make it a 'very low end gpu'
Out of context, Alex is talking RT GPUs.
@@TheT0nedude okay context police.
If you have poor performance when starting up the game with ray tracing and DLSS, where it locks to around 24-26fps, just set the texture pool to medium, _wait 10 seconds_ (important) and it will rev up to a normal fps. You can set it back higher after that.
Yes the waiting part is important. I was also having issues initially until I realized it takes some time to sort itself out after changing the texture pool size and then it runs fine.
Similar issue I found in Mechwarrior 5
Thank you 👍
Really appreciate the tips at the end Alex, will be making those tweaks myself for sure!
It's so fascinating how good id had optimized this game to look great while run great.
its good that you need to stand still to see any of this, because I often do that in Doom Eternal, its so peaceful.
wow, ty for the console commands, it looks AWESOME on my 3090, great job as always.
When I heard RT was introduced for DOOM Eternal, I thought uh oh. My poor little 6800XT will go from 165+ fps steady on Ultra Nightmare preset @1440P down to probably 50 fps. Decided to try it anyway. Much to my suprise it does not! At least in the first 3 levels I am steady 150+ fps at all times. I am very pleased. Unlike my experience in Cyberpunk 2077 with RT where fps tanked with max RT. The engine for this game is gold level optimized to say the least! Might play through again.
Ok not a fair comparison my dude. Cyberpunk is open world and is a lot more comlplex too when talking about the world that is.
I genuinely cant notice when RT is on when playing the game- its so fast paced. I prefer to play on 120fps mode. Playing on series x
As cool as RT can look from a technical perspective, in a sense it looks pretty weird because metal is never that polished. Everything looks like it has Vaseline on it, and IMO reflections look especially weird when there is no RT-GI. It makes it look like the reflections don't belong when the GI doesn't match. I think games should always prioritize RT-GI over RT reflections.
Same here, I like the look of Ray tracing, but if the game is super fast paced, that super high framerate takes main priority
on pc you can have both; 120 with RT
@@heikoguckes5693 yes, PC is always Better. But you have to Pay twice the price and only to have a rtx 2060 lol
FPS > RT
Alex is officially a computer genius.
I experienced the same bug (17:30) with my laptops rtx 2070. (+ new drivers) Once rt is set to on framerate was terrible for a while. Switching some settings on and off like you did helped to get rid of it.
Vielen Dank für die großartige Tech-Analyse! Wie immer auf höchstem Niveau. ;)
My first 120 FPS experience. Makes 30 feel like mud…
same! tried to go back to playing PS4 at 30 FPS... it was a bit rough :D
@@LeoStep93 Doom eternal ran at 60fps on last gen or did you mean another game?
@@Tyranniod yeah, tried different game that runs at 30 (fallen order)
Thanks for the tips Alex. I'm getting amazing performance on my 3060 TI at 4k with your suggestions.
"RTX 2060" "Extremely low end GPU"
While nearly everyone is still sitting on their GTX 1060 and RX 480
Technically it is..lowest end available gpu that has Ray tracing capabilities.
I suppose some people still think the 1060 / 480 is "mid range"
The RTX 2060 is the extremely low end for ray-tracing. There's no card below it with RT capabilities.
Yeah that statement while factually correct but overall… silly
that's Alex Battaglia for you, he is an elitist
@@cayo3351 I guess. But RT in general is high end to me.
Very nice video. Now I will get back to playing DOOM Eternal on my Nintendo Switch in handheld mode.
Cyberpunk developers: please take note about being able to see your character reflected!
So true
That was one of your best videos yet. I especially liked the tips for getting better than max ingame settings quality.
Ray tracing is honestly amazing, and I am surprised at how quickly it's being adopted, the consoles surprisingly handle ray tracing great while keeping good resolution and frames, particularly the series x. But.... doom is so action packed and fast paced will it make a difference? Guess I'll have to reinstall and find out! Lol.
dude you def notice the difference
Ok that's nice, I'm gonna play the game now in fast pace.
ID tech has always been insane. This is still the best looking game ever, IMO.
A bit off topic but I reinstalled Cyberpunk to try out DLSS 2.2 with it having not played since launch. Got a RTX 3080 and play at 4K, I cranked all the settings up to max and set a 40fps frame cap for a smooth experience with DLSS set to Performance so 4K reconstructed from 1080p. And wow if it isn't the best looking game out there and I include Rift Apart. Absolutely breath-taking and it wouldn't be possible today without the massive improvements Nvidia have made to DLSS as well as their great ray tracing performance.
Cyberpunk doesn't get enough credit for the visual marvel it is on PC. I hope the devs know their work is appreciated and I look forward to seeing what they come up with next!
Been waiting for this, I waited to play this on the Series X for this upgrade and I've been blown away. Can't wait to jump into the dlc, they did a great job here and far more impressive then I expected
Me too!! Man is it just me or is this the best looking game on next gen systems and it's so kick ass and brutal!
DLSS is amazing but real time actual Ray's of light is more impressive to me
@@j_dun4830 I've been waiting for more games to give me a wow factor and impress me for the next gen and this one really hit the mark which is surprising since it's just an upgrade and not made for this engine
@@TGravy-wp4rc yea the lighting really makes a difference I'm playing it on the LG CX and the lighting has me stopping to appreciate it after clearing the area. Usually indifferent on cutscenes but I was wanting a few more here
@@LonghornsLegend haha I have a 55 inch CX too! Amazing as I'm sure you know!
May have to kill count it again with these awesome shiny reflections!
Consoles still using lower than 16x anisotropic filtering has me puzzled... 🤔Shouldn't this be maxed out before touching any other settings (since they can absolutely handle that without any significant performance impact)?!
I think game devs do it cause most people play on consoles with their TVs and sit far away. Its a minimal performance benefit but also something that's hard to notice on even big 4k TVs when you're sitting far away.
It's actually bandwidth heavy when it comes to APUs.
Unfortunately
@@nighttimestalker huh, that's interesting. I've always used a dGPU and couldn't even measure a difference with a GTX960M (GTX 750Ti performance). 🙃
@@MLWJ1993
It's still odd yeah. They could at least do 8x.
More and more games are doing decent with filtering and Xbox even forced 16x on all back compat games
Consoles have a unified pool of memory that's fast (especially in the new generation of consoles) but not quite _that_ fast - the issue is that the VRAM in PC GPUs is dedicated to texture data and the memory controllers are completely optimized for texture access in a way that makes 16x anisotropic filtering only a moderate load. On the other hand since consoles don't really have VRAM, but instead use a generalized version of VRAM with memory controllers that need to access that memory both in bulk (for the GPU) and granularly (for the CPU), 16x AF represents a real load on the memory bus - a bus that could probably be better used for something else at that moment.
I was waiting for this video. Ray Tracing transforms Doom Eternal into a visual masterpiece. It's absolutely insane how seamlessly the technology works.
What? It barely makes a difference, at least I could barely tell it was on in most of the areas I played, and when you're in combat it's completely pointless.
@@DSP_Visuals your supposed to watch the video. Literally shows you what your simple mind couldn’t comprehend
I never seen a console generation more focused on one gimmick like reflections
Uh... the PC Master race people have been going nuts for RTX for years now..
I think the world is lucky to have a person like you who is willing and loves doing analysis like this Alex this is a hell of a lot of work but is a great and informative production, great work.
I love how he compares the console and says it's worse image quality. But your eyes can't see it if you're sitting eight feet away from your TV.
Alex wears 400% glasses. Because it’s the only time you notice half of what he talks about
Well I play games on a monitor and I definitely see the drop in picture quality.
There is the same amount of pixels on a TV & monitor. However, they are far larger on 70' TV than on a 27' monitor. Plus, you really aren't that much further away (4 to 5 feet more). You actually notice a worse image more on a TV, than on a monitor.
@@V1CT1MIZED The zooms are meant more for those people watching the video in lower resolutions. For example a comparison between two systems at 4K, will look almost exactly the same, if you are watching the video on a 1440p/1080p TV/Monitor or 720p Smart Phone. Even if one was substantially worse than the other. For obvious reasons, you cannot view a 4K image, in all it's glory on a 720p Smart Phone. It would be missing hell a lot of pixel data to be able to tell any differance. So, the only way you can really show them any difference, is too zoom in on both the images.
@@Hoomi1504 Exactly. I can instantly notice the difference in any game, even dropping from Ultra to Very High. Ultra to Medium is usually a world apart.
I only have the XBOX ONE version...It still plays well and looks really good.
I'm happy that we got RT at all but when id teased that they wanted to add ray tracing, I was expecting way more ray traced effects than just reflections. There's so many areas of this game that could benefit from more ray traced effects. There's so many lights in this game that don't cast shadows, and just adding some bounce lighting could go a long ways...
This video is gold.
We've got an already stunning wonderfully optimized game adding yet more eye candy, then this guy comes in with his no all killer no filler guide on how to get even more out of this. The texture pool settings and the console commands max out RT tricks are the icing on the cake. I salute you sir
he makes the game look much worse. like a house of mirrors. in what way is that better than what it was before? the world is matte, dude.
@@GraveUypo but that's the beauty of having options to tweak on PC, play the game how you'd like to. And hey if he's giving us more options to play with then that's a win in my book!
I’ve been so excited for this analysis! Doom looks so good on my PS5.
I couldn't believe how great doom eternal looked and ran on my One X when it came out, and I recently found a Series X so now I gotta jump back in.
@@guybrushthreepwood8174 It looke absolutely incredible on the Series X. I spent a Cpl hours last night just walking around looking at the environment lol
Just wait n see how good the next Doom will look on your ps5!
@@thirtythird985 Mmm... No more Doom on PS 😂 So enjoy this one
@@guybrushthreepwood8174 I had the One X as well and it did look incredible even then. That was such an awesome console, I’m glad I upgraded to it when it came out.
PC will always be at the top, cutting edge of quality and performance 💪
Sure, but you have to pay for that quality and performance. I could buy a PS5, Series X, a Switch and some games for the price of a PC that can outperform nextgen consoles. I think for the price of consoles you're getting excellent performance and value. I mean you can't even begin to build a PC for $399 that can match a PS5 Digital. The graphics card alone would cost you $399 and that's if you find it for MSRP.
@@03chrisv the cost of consoles are hidden first off they loose hundreds on each console and while you pay more for games you pay to play online you pay you pay you pay the console makers nickel and dime you in the long run you would be surprised how much you really pay on console they ain't loosing hundreds on each console without knowing dam well they can make up for it
@@WASD-MVME That's a tired old argument that doesn't hold any water. Console games can be bought during sales or second hand, not to mention PC games cost just as much as console games when they first come out, like RE Village for example. Paying for online isn't that much ($60 a year for PS Plus) and they regularly include free games. I've downloaded so many free games from PS Plus that it more than made up for the small yearly fee. Also free to play games don't require an online subscription.
PC gaming is simply more expensive, there's no sense arguing that it isn't. If you want to say PC gaming offers the best technology and versatility that's fine, but you can't also go around and say that it's cheaper in the long run or offers better value. That's you trying to have your cake and eat it too.
@@03chrisv you pay for it through the games, that's why the Consoles are cheap. PC games are typically significantly cheaper.
@@Saif0412 PC games are not typically way cheaper. All new games are usually the same price as console versions. Maybe you can find deals on Steam or the Epic store after a game has been out for a while but the same holds true for console games, especially if you prefer physical copies many retailers will sell games at discount or you can buy games used for a good price. This narrative of PC games being way cheaper is just misinformation and a straight up lie.
diggin the background music
It’s truly amazing how much more natural ray tracing makes everything look.
Not really, it looks like glossy cartoonish garbage
@@wallacesousuke1433 With the right smoothness setting, it looks great.
@@nickmotsarsky4382 regardless, it's barely noticeable and only serves to destroy the frame rate.. I won't care at all about raytracing until 5 or so years from now, when it finally gets properly implemented
@@wallacesousuke1433 lemme guess you are running a 970
Good to know my i9-11900k and MSI Suprim X RTX 3090 should run it fairly well...EDIT: Yeah 4K at Ultra-Nightmare settings with RT on and DLSS set to quality. I locked it to 60fps and while playing it the GPU utilisation didn't go above 48%, so a big margin of power not being used....it didn't break a sweat.
Playing it on XSX it just crazy
I was more impressed with the 120fps mode. When there is intense moments going on with Ray tracing on, the frame rate isn't the greatest. Thanks to game pass I was able to give it a go on the series x, but I much prefer the 120fps mode, it's crazy smooth. I have a 2070 Super so I think I will stick to the PC version in this case with Ray tracing on as it looks a lot better and my frame rate is in the 100's at 4K.
More like is just meh when at 144Hz with DLSS and ultra RT settings on PC.
If you didn’t zoom in 400% imwouldnt have noticed a difference. I find the doom games have some of the best image quality on console
I find the RT to be fairly lackluster on PS5. I prefer the resolution or performance modes by a long shot, I feel like the increased resolution just looks better than the way RT was optimized. This is pretty much like Control again, the RT is fun to play around with for 30 minutes, then I switch to the better option when the novelty of reflections wears off.
Metro Exodus though, wow. That game is stunning on PS5. I honestly can't believe that was a free upgrade, if any game deserved a $10 fee it was that one. I highly doubt Ghost of Tsushima will even come close.
@Lov Mir I doubt it
Never played eternal, only doom2016. But now with rtx I have a good reason.
Well. I finally traded in my 1080ti and got myself the behemoth that is the 3080ti. So much power I honestly am impressed.
I will be going back to Doom Eternal with new eyes and will be taking all your settings into account. I'm excited to play it again now.
I turned my internal native cerebral settings to max, yet could still only understand 7% of this video. 😔🥴🤯🥺 I still liked it though. 😬
lol to this man 👍👌😂😂😂
(Same here)
7%! Look at mister smarty pants over here
@@iplaygamesnude-5683 Hahaha 👍😂
Haha, beat you, understood 9% of the video, had to overclock my cerebral clock speed tho.
@@batnigga2862 lol 👍😂
120 fps mode is the way to go if you have supported screen on Series X/Ps5
Facts
@@glenmcl: Myths!
Nah I'd rather play at 240 fps
This game does not need 120fps.
It's already super fast and smooth at 60fps.
undoubtedly.
I have weird performance issues when turning RT and DLSS on. I have to restart the game and sometimes lower all my settings to Low and then raise them back up one by one or else the performance tanks
i have the same issue. Once i left the game alt tabbed for several hours, and when I came back to it, it's as if DLSS and native were both being rendered at the same time. like I had a smaller rectangle with a replica of the game in the corner, and the whole thing was flashing awfully.
most of the time, when I launch the game, I have to alt+enter a few times before I get the feeling that DLSS actually kicks in properly. it's very odd.
Have you tried turning off Steam overlay? That fixed performance issues completely for me!
It's weird af though. Steam overlay on? 20 fps, consistently terrible. Steam Overlay off? 144+ fps no problem.
Though this was an issue for me even before RT was implemented
They also released a driver hot fix for this release. Have you already tried that?
Sounds like vram issues.
Same with me and many nvidia users, i hope they'll solve it very soon cause it's really annoying.
I bought an RTX 4070 last year and recently reinstalled Doom Eternal. The ray tracing really does look very nice in this game. Playing the game with 4k resolution, maxed out graphics settings, and ray tracing is a real treat for the eyes. Gorgeous game.
ID makes some of the best looking games in the industry, as well as the best performing.
Will be interesting to see how well the consoles do once they have FidelityFX support, atm I'm stuck with the 1080ti so my only source of ray tracing in on my Series X xD.
To be honest the consoles already have better solutions then Fidelity FX is offering.
I don't have high hopes from what they've shown so far. FFX didn't look that great on the details
Maybe some more time to mature then but I think when the quality is on par or close with dlss they would be crazy not to use it, would give such a performance buffer for other details, mainly raytracing.
@@93836 not what i've been reading. i've been reading devs saying that at high resolutions they prefer fsr over dlss because it has less artifacts, and that the adoption over time should be massively in favor of fsr. and they're implementing it in the console version of their game. i can't find the quote right now and i don't even remember which game it was, but that's the gist of it.
Game looks really good on Series X and PS5. I’ve enjoyed it on PC hut gonna double dip on my PS5
Just plug in your controller. :)
Why? Is your PC weaker or stronger than the PS5?
@@nickmotsarsky4382 does how I spend my money trigger you?
@@teddyholiday8038 no it just wouldn't make sense
@@NexGenTek Makes perfect sense since like the majority of PC gamers. Probably doesn't have a RT supported GPU.
I dindn't even noticed the resolution downgrade in the RT mode when i tried doom for the first time bc of RT mode.
It’s still 1800p, 1800p is fine with RT
@@teddyholiday8038 yeah that's still pretty damn crisp
(Edit: punctuation)
Even in RT mode on XSX, you’re only losing 360 pixels of a true, native 4K resolution, which is unnoticeable sitting 6-8ft from the tv. id tech is the best tech when it comes to a graphics engine!!! Crazy what they were able to do with this optimization.
@@ZByrdman89 *Insomniac Games enters the chat*
Honestly, the first game to showcase the power of my Series X since November, lol!! Never thought it would have came from a patch on a game that released 8 months before the hardware even released!!!!
Honestly thank you guys for the fast afford and work you do I enjoy almost every video from this channel thank you all of you!!
I still don't understand how a game can look so freakin incredible and run this fast at the same time? what type of hellish magic is this?
it's funny, Doom is such a fast pace game that you'll rarely appreciate the added RT reflections. The RT add-on generally needs to be in your face, and affect the overall look of the game, not something that'll be difficult to spot unless you stop and look for it.
Completely misunderstanding the point of these improvements in being that even if they are hard to see they are still there and overall enhancing player experience for those who can afford it
@@NEEDFORSLEEP213 I can afford it but it really doesn't improve jacksquat for me. Doom Eternal is an amazing game, you really don't need raytracing to have a "Great Experience"
Even if you don't "see" it, your brain does.
I have no problem clearing the game at Ultra Nightmare difficulty with 100FPS, no idea why you would need to run the game at higher FPS by sacrificing visuals.
If you don't like pretty looking game, just play some 2D games LMAO
@@MaxIronsThird no not really. it's like listening to a CD vs. a high bitrate MP3 with the same headphones.
18:53 Did you just call the RTX 2060 a “very low end” GPU?
Yeah, my 2060 Super is feeling a bit demoralized after this video. I know he just means for Ray Tracing but still
very low end RTX GPU, thats what he meant
@@eaglepower463 I hope to God that’s what he meant, but he hasn’t clarified that or corrected himself at all. From where I am standing, it looks very dishonest from Alex.
This is great. Shame we're not going to get the Invasion mechanic.
Invasion was cancelled? sad
@@jess648 Yes, Marty Stratton wrote a message to the community about it just recently.
Basically, all things considered*, it was deemed a new horde mode would be better appreciated by the community as opposed to invasion.
*Working from home, the amount of work it would take to implement either mode weighed with how much the community may appreciate/use either, etc.
While I am excited for the new mode, the Taras Nabbad Master Level is showing me I probably wouldn't last long, hah!
Yea that feature sounded really fun I would have been ok with a huge delay at least.
I've been waiting for this analysis... Thank you, Alex your hard work is beyond appreciated 😊
Great video Alex, it was lovely hearing both the OG Doom ost AND the OG DF Comparison music, very nostalgic.
Nice comparison, but how many consoles can you buy for the price of one graphics card? 5?
I don't know if idtech has done some extravagant optimizations with this game. But playing this on a 6600XT at 1440p I can basically run the game at high settings, with reflections set to normal I get around 80-90fps. With DRS I can lock it to 120fps without much scaling at all. On AMD GPUs it makes sense to lower settings which won't result in any reasonable visual impact since their RT performance is shared with rasterization performance. "High" basically looks indistinguishable from "Ultra Nightmare", often it just has to do with draw distance, and at "high", that draw distance is really far away already.
I'm super happy that my rtx2060 is keeping strong 💪 in this game :-)
2060(S) gonna be good for a while
@@Jetanium 2070 much longer hold imho
@@Jetanium I don't think so, even when this crypto shit will be over, Nvidia will release the new series, they waiting in the BC.
Just see how many gamers sitting on old cards...they never want to buy an overpriced shit, when a new series can come in any moment...Some retards buying cards while it was overpriced, but this isn't normal at all, or not standards...
This happened after the FIRST in 2018 december, then they released 16xx cards+2xxx cards after that just small time difference.
So, 2060S/5700 is medium card, its like an RX580 at that time.
Outdoing yourself Alex! Pleasure watching all that beautiful b-roll!
It's insane to me that I can run this game in 4K (DLSS quality) with max setting + ray tracing and get ~120FPS
So… if I spend 2500.00 on a rig I can get slightly better quality that is mostly only noticeable at 400x zoom, than a PS5, or I can spend 500.00 and get a PS5… when it’s available again of course. Lol.
It’s a no brainer for me.
But you will have a, “very low-end system”! Alex and his PC Master Race cronies will be angry!
Noice! Now hopefully RDR2 DLSS 2.2 comes out soon and my summer replay plans will be complete.
Is DOOM Eternal using DLSS 2.1 or 2.2 ?
@@rajatmadan360 2.1
@@rajatmadan360 2.1 for now. The only title I'm aware of that's using 2.2 natively is Lego Builders.
Just started playing this game for the first time on PS5 with the update at 120 fps. It's fucking insane.
Enjoy the last Doom title on PlayStation
@@SophisticatedAss :(
@Y94R because Xbox owns Bethesda
@Y94R minecraft is an outlier, look what happened to outerworlds 2 and hellblade 2 😂
@Y94R minecraft was on PlayStation before Xbox bought them use your brain. Starfield is exclusive to Xbox, redfall is exclusive to Xbox and on a recent IGN podcast Ryan said Phil spencer said ES6 will basically be exclusive. You’ve got to be a dumbass to think the next doom won’t be
love the OG doom music in the background. Time to replay eternal so I can see how the doomsayers face looks in the reflection of demonic blood whilst ripping and tearing
But its funny how in the glass reflexion the slayer is agitated and moving the gun up and down while the actual player is moving it side to side