Evolution of Obi Wan Kenobi's Lightsaber Form and Philosphy
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We take a look at Obi Wan Kenobi's lightsaber style and philosophy and how it has evolved over the years.
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Can you make a video of Darth Vader's lightsaber form
Obi-Wan: "Jedi do not use blasters."
Also Obi-Wan: "So anyway I started blasting."
Sometimes Jedi must be uncivilized to survive
What's really crazy is that obi wan's mastery of soresu was so amazing that mace windu and many other jedi considered him the be THE master of the form. And the reason count dooku caught obi wan off guard with the force in revenge of the sith was because he found that he couldnt penetrate obi wan's defenses anymore they were too good at covering his precise strikes leaving very little openings. This is even the case in the novelization of the movie but I dont think that's canon anymore. So since dooku had no options and anakin was about to be breathing down his neck he had to separate them, and since obi wan was weaker in the force and a but older he focused on him with the force. So it's actually quite impressive that count dooku someone who's whole style is poking holes in defense couldnt do it to his pupil's pupil.
I had a weird dream last night where episode 4 consists of Vader getting frustrated with Kenobi's weakness in the Force and decides to train Kenobi back up to fighting shape again because he wants a proper revenge.
But Vader is shit talking Kenobi the WHOLE time as if they were master and learner, but the roles are reversed.
Imagine a mental image of Kenobi pinned to the floor with the Force with a large, heavy torso sized rock sitting on Kenobi's chest and the only way to move it is the Force.
"Your powers are weak old man."
Or Vader beating the ever living shit out of Kenobi with practice wooden lightsabers.
"What's wrong Kenobi, get gud noob!"
When they last met on Mustafar Vader was but the learner now HE'S the master.
lol
I kinda want to see this now. Animated, fan film, I don't care.
@@GenerationTech where did you get your lightsaber fro id love to know where you bought yours so i can buy my own can you give me a link i hope thats not asking for too much
Yo, you're on to something. I like how you think. Lol!
Soresu is so cool I think minimum effort maximum defense is such a smart way to base your fighting style around when your trying to block projectiles
Forms 3, 4, and 5 (djem so) are my preferred lightsaber combat styles.
@@crusader2112 7 is the best.
4 looks coolest
@@crusader2112 I'm a fan of luke's medium style as well
During the dark times, even a civilized person like Obi-wan Kenobi has to be quite... uncivilized to live.
Now say it again but like Yoda 👀
@@the_sun_god6197 why?
@@Unknownrandomdude because it would be cool
@@the_sun_god6197during dark times uncivilised, even a civilised person like Master Kenobi, must be. Hmmm.
We need all Obi Wan vs Vader duels analyzed after the show
Second!
Hardly a duel. That mf got owned and a half
@@Devon.with.an.i like on Mustafar they're trading wins
Obi-Wan's greatest weapon wasn't his lightsaber but his mind
That's why he's so rusty in the new series. His mind is not a very happy or healthy place at the moment, understandably.
And the high ground
I hope we see an episode where Quinlan Vos meets with Kenobi to send him through a trial similar to that of Luke going into the cave. In this scene it would be awesome to see an older Kenobi have to face mirages of combatants he’s faced in his youth like Maul. We would get to see him conquer his traumatic stress of years of war and relationships ravished. By doing so Kenobi could reconnect to the force stronger than before. An event like this could lead to a more stoic and confident Ben Kenobi we remember seeing in A New Hope.
That would be a great new episode for Kenobi. To see how he will/would change from the cowardly and stressed Kenobi we see at the beginning of the show into the confident and knowledgeable hermit we see in a new hope would be great
Something we talk about in boxing is boxing IQ. I think Obi-Wan has a seriously high fighting and dueling IQ. He was a padwan seeing his master die and he didn’t freak out. And manage to get the surprise on Maul even while Maul had all the advantages. Against Dooku he knew not to charge him. I’m 100% sure he had the master plan to defeat Dooku the second time. Clearly the smartest Jedi to live.
I have always thought Jedi who trained during and went through one of the major wars in the universe were different than Jedi who trained during a more peaceful time and never had to fight in any kind of major war or conflict.
Have you noticed one interesting detail in 4th episode of Kenobi? When he was fighting stormtroopers he was using moves from the first Shii Cho form. Since he wasn't in a good shape due to lack of practice he couldn't use Soresu.
2:47 Back to the main topic of this video:
Alan : Obi-Wan is a little rusty
Darth Vader : Laughs from episode 3 of the series
I lost it at the "hot potato with detonators. " lmfao.
I wish he read excerpts of Dooku final thoughts on Kenobi swordplay. Even Mace was impressed by Kenobi’s Soresu calling him “The Master of Soresu” while also mastering Ataru and Shi Cho.
10:59 Users of slugthrowers: "Parry this, you filthy Jedi casuals!"
you saying "Hey Steve" actually scared me
Love your work you make me still remember why I’ve loved Star Wars all my life
I really like form 3, it's a very "No flips, just fists" style. It's like sports, fancy aggressive plays look good but defensive play wins championships :)
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Kenobi started strugeling to become padawan and ended up becoming one with the Force unlike most of the Jedi and Sith. His lightsaber dueling had the best defense in all of Star Wars history. His inteligense made him one of the best generals in Clone Wars. His character made him one of the best Jedi ever. His only weakness is his force sheeld. He has one of the best character developmeni in fiction.
I love talking about different lightsaber forms. This is my new favorite video
Alan your awesome bro don't ever stop! Would love you hear you rant on what if theories!
And then this character-defining defensive fighting style will be completely forgotten in the last episode of Kenobi. I couldn't believe it when they made Kenobi defeat one of the most aggressive fighters in Star Wars with pure aggression. What a betrayal of the character
Hey Alan. People call me Steve.
😂 Really enjoy your videos. Enjoy the rest of your day my friend.
Great episode!!! Comedic drops on point!!!
fuckin love the way alan starts all of his videos, i love the way he describes star wars lore stuff too cuz its easy to understand, genuinely favorite star wars youtuber.
My name is Steve and you legit scared the shit out of me!
Man its been a long long time since I cant stop thinking about Star Wars, that episode 3 of Obi Wan.... ive been waiting 17 years for a follow up to ROtS and its FINALLY HERE
I was astounded about your knowledge! I miss the old Battlefront game online, the 1st one, it was sooo fun!!
"He lost his belt shortly after"
That was hilarious!
What is the form called where you just get force choked and run away? Form 8… Disnejitsu?
i love your videos!!
Not to creep you out but I saw you in Manhattan by city hall yesterday, I was working I couldn’t be fan boy 😂 Great video as always 👍🏻 keep up the good work 🙌🏻. Still till this day my favorite video was the star-wars currency 💵💪🏻.
Interesting Disney Cannon is opposite to legends. in legends Obi Wan was almost not chosen as a padawan and was struggling to keep up with his peers. He even was bullied for being weaker than the others and had to put in a lot of effort.
I like legends. It’s the old story of hard work pays off. And set up Anakin as the talent that gets beat when it doesn’t work hard.
7:49 - His biggest accomplishment, winning from the low ground.
0:51 Yuengling. America’s oldest Brewery. Pottsville born and raised
The beginning after he said “hi Steve” I did totally say “hello there” 😭✊🏼
crazy good vid
I would love to see you guys do this for Anakin, Luke, Ashoka, and other saber wielders.
when qui gon jinn got killed by maul, for obi wan it wasn't rage he felt but determined justice. its the same concept as electric judgement. which can be confused with sith force lighting,which is focused from hate and anger. where electric judgement can only be activated when the jedi is extremely compelled to enforce justice.
thru the entire fight gin and obi used a non lethal light saber form moves meant to subdue, disarm and capture maul alive, but maul was a master of all 7 forms, so good he could take on a master and soon to be jedi. then when he knocked obiwan off the cliff his emotions were filled with joy, pride. so he lost his sharp focus, that the sith get from anger and hate. then when obi one summoned the force, grabed gins light saber, maul was expecting obiwan to use the same basic self defence form and anticipated a disarming strike. but the light side of the force itself guided obi-wan to perform a killing blow. because there was no way to capture him alive, his master was dead. obi wan would of died he fought toe to toe and in an equal fight, and there would of been no justice at all for the Jedi maul killed. so the force guided obi-wan to strike a killing blow at the very exact moment he would of only have been able too.
which is parallel to luke putting away the guiding system when he took the shot at the death star. he had to forsake all conventional thinking from past, experiences and training, and truly let go and let the force guide him to perform a very precise action.
this also shows that qui gon jinn did his duties as a teacher masterfully, as he had to meditate to connect to the force, where obi wan was able to summon it in the very moment he needed it most. Obiwan had surpassed his master which is the hallmark of a great teacher. in that instance he had also been able to technically disarm maul by cutting his dual saber in half.
this is what confused maul because he was a sith and did not expect this padawan to deal a killing blow in the end, when every move he used before was from a pacifist form. since maul could of never grasped the concept of determined justice. also he did not understand how the Jedi draw there use of the force. where the sith it just pure tenacity,grit, hate and focus. with the jedi it a sudden burst of genius focused in a single blow at the most important time, hidden/disguised, backed up behind natural jedi tenacity and grit.
later obi wan would learn form 3 which was the most effective ultimate self defense form. to gauge his opponent and to tire them out, then when the time was right he would in n instant become one with the force, which would guide him to make a decisive move needed to win the fight. form 3 was his bead and butter but becoming one with the force and improvising a move guided by the force was his ace in the hole.
Watched Part 3 of Kenobi. "Rusty" doesn't seem to do justice to Obi-Wan's diminished abilities.
Episode 3 was quite shocking to me. We have NEVER seen Darth Vader like that! Granted, Vader has been healing himself and hating Kenobi almost exclusively for all this time since their battle on Mustafar...
Obi-wan in the Revenge of the Sith novel out dueled Dooku. After He and Anakin were using a planned attack on Dooku that lured Dooku into a false sense of security, Kenobi and Anakin switched to their normal lightsaber styles. It was at this point that Dooku's Form 2 was no match for Kenobi's perfected form 3 and it sent terror through Dooku. Dooku then had to catch Kenobi off guard with force tactics.
Qui-gon was a well HUNG man!
Can you please continue the separatist alliance system earth series please
"There's no such thing as luck"
*Casually says one of the luckiest Jedi in Star Wars*
can anyone confirm the name of the Jedi shot by Jango (@12:35) -
"skilled Dino master Callme Trevour"
or is that why I like the humour of gen tech!
Dolphin!
Fun fact: Obi-wan's absolute mastery of Soresu is what allowed him to defeat Anakin/Vader on Mustafar.
On paper Anakin was more powerful than Kenobi at the time of their duel, Anakin's power was even further boosted after his fall to the Dark Side. However Kenobi's mastery of Soresu, along with his intimate knowledge of Anakin's fighting style and personality, made him the perfect foil to Anakin's rising power, allowing Kenobi to (barely) keep Anakin at bay until he could take an advantageous position. Much like Windu's Vaapad made him the perfect foil against Darth Sidious, who's power technically eclipsed all of the Jedi.
Not really related but I was wondering if you could do a video about why the 3 laws of robotics do not apply to the Star wars universe. Or if they do could you explain how? Love your channel!
Form III, also known as the rope-a-dope style.
I love obini
1. Awesome
2. Awesome
3. Coward
4. Legend
You should read the novelization of Revenge Of The Sith. It shows that Count Dooku feared Kenobi because of sorisu
yo this came out on my birthday
I want a series about the Jedi Logistics Division.
I want a series about them realizing they've been robbed and quitting en masse. Maybe Palpatine makes them an offer.
The broom sound effect I laugh every time
It is funny how Kenobi tends to forget to Force shield himself (the term used to keep Jedi and Sith from throwing each other all over the place). Maul, Dooku and now Vader have all tossed him around with the Force. I think Eleven would mop the floor with him.
It’s not a much that he forgets it’s that he is not especially strong in the force compared to people like Anakin or Dooku, he more than makes up with it in skill though
Can see his post Original Trilogy style as something akin too:
Obi: " Man it's a hot one in the desert today.. if only could keep my hit window open enough to cool stuff off a bit.. just need to prop it open awhile... Hello there."
*Finds old lightsaber, wedges under raised window*
"Ah... Perfect"
Based off what's been shown an said about his series so far this is about a realistic scenario
Obi’s greatest weapon is the high ground.
It doesn't matter if Makashi welders dual wield or not it all depends on how patient you are and besides dial welding you can disarm people twice as fast
Well, just look at Ventress. She was a Makashi dual welder.
Dukoo sliced around your defenses while anikan wanted to smash through
Always trips me out for a second when Adam says my name💀
You must master the flick before the push/pull
“When a force sensitive baby is first stolen… (no wait) taken… (uh no) gift! (Yh thats better) is **taken** to-“ LOL so much for rephrasing
14:52. Are you sure Obi-Wan is all Form 3? In that scene with Ventress. Obi-Wan is blocking her attacks with one handed. Must have picked up Form 2 from Dooku awhile back.
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Obi-wan just needs to sharpen his skills.
I thought kenobi didn't fully adopt sorisu until after dooku completely demolished him. Never before had he felt soo powerless and incapable, dooku literally toyed with him so he had to switch up his combat strategy as to prevent that from happening again.
Lightsaber styles are so cool. Too bad Disney seems to have forgotten they exist.
Well, they were never actually mentioned in any of the movies. Nick Gillard who choreographed the prequels, didn't do it according to the "lore". Lightsaber style lore was written around his choreography. So in a way, Lucas never cared for lightsaber styles.
Second actually there's very interesting swordplay in the last duel in Kenobi. Aside from using his iconic stance in the beginning of the duel, Obi Wan uses his standard Soresu but also goes back to using his aggressive Ataru and incorporates many Makashi style one handed techniques including thrusts and parries.
Course, if all you're doing is being focused on being a hater, you would never realize that.
""and yes you can even customize your first offucer waifu" how intresting how very intresting this is
Darth maul had actually killed at least one jedi and one non-jedi force sensitive before his duel with obi-wan and qui gon
The biggest reason Darth maul lost is because Maul was sadistic he loved nothing more than slowly killing jedi he loved taunting and making you suffer and instead of staying on the attack and finishing the job he chose to toy with Kenobi and darth maul never learned from this
He's Sith. Comes with being on the the Dark Side. It's like a drug feeding on and enhancing negative emotions.
Kenobi is the perfect general for the dolphin empire
Does Cal also use form 3?
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Any other Steves's/Steven's/Stephen's freak out due to the intro? I know I slowly rolled my chair away from my computer a couple of inches lol.
Do Vader and Anakin next
Can you do Anakin/Vader too?
Can you please do vaders/anakins next
I think geetslys did a break down of form 5
Damn im early
Does anyone know what each form is and what they do? I do like to perform a wait and see approach, to know someone, find out if someone is worth me getting to know before i proceed. Is there a Jedi form like that?
That sounds like form 3 soresu which is exactly what obi uses, it's basically defense until you see a opening (which is how obi beat grevious) but I think Gen Tech actually has a video covering all forms of lightsaber combat
All hail Kenobi
Obi wan: (blasters) "how uncivilized"
Also Obi wan: "well if there doing it"
It also helps that he HAS THE HIGH GROUND
Ok, so now I am wondering, what DOES happen to those who don't become padawans? Are they just sent away from the temple, young teenagers who have the ability to use the Force, but no longer have any familial connections either with their blood family or the the ones who raised them? Because that just seems like a recipe for falling to the dark side. I genuinely don't know the answer, so I'm open to hearing what it is?
The 3 rings of defense weren’t around during his lifetime, it was invented by Luke Skywalker’s Jedi order
Maybe I was just a boring teenager... Okay I definitely was, but I never wanted to do anything risky as a kid. Motorcycle? No way. Skateboard? Absolutely not, I might fall and that would hurt. Tricks on my bicycle? Nope I like my wheels on the ground. Front flips on a trampoline? The one time I tried it, I literally almost broke my neck when I landed on the top of my head, with my body straight vertical above it. I vastly preferred safe, solitary, mostly indoor pastimes. Video games, books, movies, etc. It also didn't help that I was never particularly athletically inclined.
Do we ever hear what happened with dolphins? Running joke's funny but I'm wondering what the hecc just happened
Just a comment for the algorithm
What if you ignite a youngling lightsaber in front of the belly of someone,is it going to pierce through the belly?
Ah yes, I remember being a yuengling XD
THAT, was NOT his knee...
Hello there...
4:25 I thought obi wan did a terrible job in his early training? Or was that qui gon? I remember they were getting ready to throw one of them in the farmer fields or something with all the other weak force users. I forgot though I ain't read the book in 10 years
We all need to see Vader kill riva for losing obi wan, or obi wan dis*arm* her then Vader kills her later for failure
How important was this department for Force sensitive plants *really* ?
I mean, after order 66 there was no one to take over the Jedis role, no?
Hi, hi, hi, there my little droogies!
I wonder if someone's name really was Steve watching this
Why would you frighten at 12:18 like that?