Anakin Skywalker VS Darth Vader Who is Stronger?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 11 มิ.ย. 2022
- Did Anakin Skywalker lose a tremendous amount of power from the injuries he suffered from Mustafar, or is Darth Vader the strongest form of the Chosen One?
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I think Anakin would be much more energetic, but ultimately, Vader’s hate would focus him better. Anakin has the flaw of losing control when pushed a little to far, Vader is laser focused. He’s always angry and full of hate and he knows how to use it.
yep, Vader not only has more control over the Dark Side and his emotions, but the amount of grief and self hate inside of him would give him an advantage in force power, but wether that is enough to counter anakin´s physical advantage i can´t know
@@mauriciojaralopez2878 yep, Anakin would outperform Vader in every physical and power/output related category, however Vader would likely win regardless due to the shocking amount of combat experience he has vs other lightsaber and force users. His utter hated and loathing makes him an unhesitating wellspring of decisive violence, where Anakin is still pretty human and prone to the fleeting doubts that don't apply to the Sith.
Not to worry, Obi Wan: you still have 2/3s of a brother!
Something I would love to watch is Anakin full power vs the Darth Vader we've got. And also Anakin full power vs Vader who didn't lost to Obi-Wan.
Multiverse would give us that. 😬
@This is my country not yurs what does this have to do with anything?
Vader relearned the Force properly aided him to be stronger. Anakin was so gifted he doesn't need to properly hone the Force like any other Jedi, he lacked in technique but is so powerful, it overrode his skills.
that doesn't make Anakin any less powerful. that just means he was effortlessly better than his peers. that means his potential was that much greater and he was on a path to be more powerful than the Vader we know ever could be. you do get the force operates through your living being so him missing limbs is actually a hindrance in addition to his suit.
@@blaze556922 It's been said so many times that Vader is stunted because of his emotions, not because of losing limbs. That's such outdated information.
@@Nezxmi It is correct information. Just because you've heard it before doesn't make it any less accurate.
@@blaze556922 It is not correct. The suit has not hindered Anakin for a long time.
@@Nezxmi It hinders him every time you've seen him Kemper. Please think before you type...
The uniqe thing about the Dark Side is that the power has a power source and that is anger, simply put Dark Side users could become more powerful with the force the more angrier they get. Anakin could not control his anger meaning he would lose control, meanwhile Vader has mastered it and could use it to his advantage while also keeping a calculative mindset.
Ironically in him losing he finally gained the patience obi-wan tried to instill him over the years.
The philosophy "Experience is the teacher of all things." is why I'd give Vader an advantage. Despite Anakin's higher potential strength here. Vaders hits are cold and calculated. Punishing of probing or cockiness almost as if designed to counter his old self. He toys with targets but here I think his self hatred towards his younger form would empower him.
but the question isn't about a young Anakin fighting an old vader. if Anakin did not lose his limbs he would be far more powerful than the Vader we know. so the answer, is yes.
@@blaze556922 It is the question. What are you on?
experience means nothing
@@397llederson6 Yes it does.
@@Godisgoodalways7777 Are any of those Jedi relative to Anakin or have any strength or speed feats to compare
Anakin to the Son, "By becoming a Sith? Never!"
That didn't aged well
Only a Sith deals in absolutes
However, that is also an absolute.
Vader. Lords of the Sith (Canon)
>Without the neural connection to his armor, he was conscious of the stumps of his legs, the ruin of his arms, the perpetual pain in his flesh. **He welcomed it. Pain fed his hate, and hate fed his strength.** Once, as a Jedi, he had meditated to find peace. Now he mediated to sharpen the edges of his anger.
>
>He stared at his reflection a long time. **His injuries had deformed his body,** left it broken, **but they’d perfected his spirit, strengthening his connection to the Force. Suffering had birthed insight.**
IMO, Vader was stronger in the force, but Anakin had the POTENTIAL to be stronger than Vader. Anakin hadn't yet topped out when he became Vader, and as such Vader grew to a much higher power level over time. Unfortunately, his potential was curtailed by things like missing limbs and the constant pain of his suit. Sure, as a Sith, Vader tapped into that pain and suffering he was going through, but his power would have been much higher had he not been defeated by Kenobi.
Anakin did (temporarily) reach his full power when he went to the Mortis planet. He was able to make the Force gods of the Brother and Sister submit to him.
@@TheBigExclusive that wasn’t his usual power
I'd say Anakin had the Strength and Vader had the control/efficiency. Despite Having arguably the greatest force power he didn't really use it all that often because he didn't have great control over it (and he was prone to using darkside moves). Similarly while an excellent duelist he was prone to overestimating his abilities and making mistakes. Vader used his force power's far more direct and efficiently and the same can be said about his calculated fighting style
@@gibio396 that was what could’ve been.
@@Andres_Acosta yeah I know
One of my favorite ideas in Star Wars is "falling" to a side of the force
The most interesting thing anyone in the series ever said about it was Darth Caedus (at the time Jacen Solo, in the "Legacy of the Force" books) he says that you can use the dark side just like the light, as a tool and an ally and that if you have the will, you can avoid falling to either side. It even suggests that Luke has "fallen to the light side". That he's become unbalanced and that he's now shackled by the rigid order and slow moving nature of the light side, not allowing him to take action when it matters.
They even talk about some unknown Sith Lord who Jacen had never heard of and when its asked how he stayed so invisible to history, it's said he didn't do anything evil! He just drew on the dark side like someone who wasn't a LUNATIC! (cough Bane, Sidious, Vader cough) If someone is actually not insane before they start drawing on the dark side, maybe they don't do lots of murders and all that!
Maybe Anakin would have never "fallen" to the dark side if he had been allowed to draw on it. Fueling his power with emotion, but being taught to not fully give in to it.
Kreia made similar points in KOTOR2 with the interesting conclusion that if the force is in effect living and has a will it far too often uses sentient being as pawns in deadly games on a mass scale.
In Obi Wan's defense, he was probably aiming for Anakin's head but because Anakin was spinning (a good trick), he missed and the novelization explains why he didn't kill Anakin while he was down. He effectively decided to leave his fate to the Force
Leaving the chosen one to the will of the force is a dumb idea
@@richardblack3385 not really. Jedi are supposed to trust the will of the Force. For all the harm Vader did, he killed the Emperor and saved Luke. If he had died Mustafar, it’s possible that Palpatine would be ultimately victorious but we can’t know for certain. “Even the wise cannot see all ends.”
@@Trey-dp6tl indeed, we cannot know for certain.
Although it feels most likely that Palpatine would have found another apprentice {Marik, Mara, somebody} to be his enforcer, and ideally Luke would have completed his training with Yoda and handled it.
Who knows, had it been Marik maybe Obiwan and Yoda would have considered it too dangerous to train Luke alone and conspired to train him together with Leia and they would overthrow the empire together
@@richardblack3385keep in mind, it was Vader that had the strength to defeat Sideous, NOT Luke. Luke was crying on the floor like a baby and big papa threw Darth Hideous down a hole. The mercy of obi-wan(a lot like the mercy of bilbo towards gollum) ended up saving the day in a very indirect way.
ALSO keep in mind that order 66 had been done with, so it doesn’t matter if he kills Anakin, Sideous is in charge now and he can find another apprentice whenever. Sideous is also hugely powerful and influential on his own, he was and would be completely fine without Vader. In fact, the chosen one was the only one in the whole canon at that time that did have the power to stop Sideous, so killing him would always be a huge blunder.
Anakin if he reached his full potential.
Which he didn't.
the high ground
Its like comparing #8 kobe and #24 kobe. #8 is more energetic full of promise and potential. #24 is more focused on his craft, went thru devastating injuries but still became great regardless
Kobe found out the hard way about the high ground.
@@logansmall5148 you underestimate his power
I like thinking of the light side as a fire (calm but powerful) while the dark side as an explosion (quick, extremely powerful and destructive, impossible to maintain) yet both are addictive, just one gives a stronger "fix"
Actually, George said that the whole point of his injuries. Was to cripple his mediclorean count and his abilities.
This can be confirmed in Clone Wars with The Ones. He is comparable to them. The dude can transfer a soul and life force. He communicated with the conduit planet, spinning it. And the Father asks him to take his place.
In legends its established Annakin thought of the force as a perk in battle. He loved dueling more than using the force.
Anakin would be too fast for Vader with the same ability to enhance himself
'Dismembered' is the word you were looking for. Great video, as always.
I think if both went at each other at full power, it would be pretty close. (I do think that Anakin would win tho)
But I think we can all agree that had Anakin not lost his lower half, he would’ve been TERRIFYING.
I want to see a What If Star Wars series that follows that because it would be cracked.
I don't think it'd be that close tbh. Vader was way stronger than Anakin in ROTS.
Rage and cybernetics will do that to you. Look at Grievous.
@@dixonb.tweenerlegs4225 You underestimate Skywalkers rage.
@@chevalier6149 Not really. I think it's moreso fans overestimating ROTS Anakin and his rage. His rage wasn't even shown to be past Maul's, who was just in a rage 24/7. And not only is Anakin behind in power to Darth Vader, but Vader has way more rage than Anakin anyways. Vader's rage is just more controlled, harnessed and weaponized than Anakin's. Just because he doesn't go into a lightsaber frenzy with a scrunched up face doesn't mean Vader doesn't hold a lot of anger in him. He just uses his anger more efficiently than Anakin did.
They are both as equally as strong as each other and are both burdened by flaws
Lol, no they aren't. It was confirmed that Vader is stronger than Anakin.
@@dixonb.tweenerlegs4225 Not the Anakin if he reached his full potentiel.
@@shadowslayer9988 Anakin never reached it.
@@shadowslayer9988 Yeah he never did.
@@dixonb.tweenerlegs4225 No. George Lucas said that Vader "lost power". Also, Anakin was stated by Nick Gillard to be "up there with Sidious", and GL said that Vader was 20% weaker than Sidious.
Seems like there's a Robot Chicken "deleted scene" waiting to be made that explains how Darth Vader draws his strength from the anger of seeing Obi-Wan collecting and juggling limbs: "Darth, can you give me a hand?", "Darth, this may give you a leg up in life under the Emperor", thus triggering the iconic "I HATE YOU?"
Power comes from four areas:
Strength (including physical, abilities, speed, flexibility, etc.),
Skill,
Experience,
&
Motivation.
Vader is so amazingly complex because he is always at different levels based on when in his story he’s at.
During the Clone Wars: he had massive strength (especially in the Force), and motivation to protect his soldiers and his wife. However, he had no need to be skilled, seeing as he was so strong, and he was actively gaining experience, meaning that the Vader during Order 66 had massive power in three areas.
After he got his armor, his strength was massively dropped, and his motivation crumbled without his wife and (theoretically) dead children, leaving him essentially crippled.
Between that and his next appearance: he had to re-train himself to be far more skilled than ever before, and use his pain and rage to substitute his motivation. He also learned to apply his new mechanical strength and remaining force strength, and of course: getting bonus experience; meaning that when we see him during Fallen Order, Rebels, and Obi-Wan, he’s really freaking powerful with all four.
However, after Ahsoka “dies” and he drops Obi-wan, his motivation crumbles. He mostly just hangs around his castle in his bacta tank, just waiting for orders and otherwise not doing anything, essentially crippling him again, as his negative score in motivation offsets his moderate Strength, impressive skill, and absolutely massive experience.
But then he finds out Luke is his son. Guess who becomes more dangerous than any other point in his history? But then he starts to question his path, thanks to Luke. And which part of his power do you think starts to waver, leaving him weakened once more?
The Obi-Wan vs Anakin fight scene stills ends chills down my spine when I watch it. Definetly one of the best fights in fiction and the best music
It's the longest in Cinematic history at 7 plus minutes.
Vader would win, for two reasons:
First, he knows anakin, but anakin doesn't know him
Second, there's nobody in the galaxy Vader hates more than anakin
Another banger as always
vader has the advantage of not holding back and all the raw anger and rage power that gives him more strength
I think Anakin is the one who doesn't hold back. He's more impulsive and prone to going in a frenzy. Vader is more controlled and calculated. So Vader would win because of that (and due to the fact that Vader is just flat out stronger).
As captain Rex said: in my book, experience outranks everything. So I think Darth Vader would win as he sort of “relearned” how to use the force and he also learnt some valuable lessons from his defeat on mustafar.
Speed, strength, potato, and skill!
I really wish you would've used the novelization (which is canon) to explain what Obi-wan was trying to do. He wasn't actually attempting to cut off Anakin's limbs. In reality, he was expecting Anakin to strike and used a DEFENSIVE strike that was attempting to parry Anakin's blade. Unfortunately, he ended up cutting off both legs and his remaining organic arm as he swung his saber around into a guard.
LMAOOOO that typo in the thumbnail might not be a typo at all. 😉
The word you are searching for, is "dismember". Love this video, BTW. Great contrast between both Anakin, and Vader.
Can you please continue the separatist alliance vs earth series please
I have seen a lot of videos about this and I never get tired of them. Good work as always
PD: The loss of a arm causing loss of force conection is not just a theory but it is true that it wouldnt be to serious to Anakin/Vadef with enogh practice and ability
"A prosthetic arm. Yoda felt his spirits sink, although he'd been expecting the
news. A Jedi's connection with the Force flowed through the midi-chlorians in
his blood. The loss of a limb had been known to affect a Jedi's powers. True,
Anakin Skywalker possessed more midi-chlorians than any Jedi in history, but
even so..."
Star Wars The Clone Wars book: Wild Space
That says nothing about the loss of the limb being the literal reason for a loss in ability, only tangentially, which makes sense because losing a limb would hurt a Jedi's ability to be at peace. They would feel negative emotion, some type of loss of confidence, possibly even attempts to seek revenge. Aka exactly what happened to Anakin. It is not because of some arbitrary loss of midichlorians, it is the result of suffering.
Such a great vid! I really want to see what it would have been like if Annie won on Mustafar & kept his limbs
Anakin with no injuries and if given enough time would beat any force user no question. So if you had Vader aged 30 vs Anakin aged 30 Anakin wins. If you had Vader from a new hope vs Anakin from revenge of the Sith I think Vader would win as Vader would be more used to the suit and be a much wiser fighter.
Beautifully crafted video. Confirm what I thought about who was more powerful.
Oscar Goldman : "We can rebuild him. We have the technology. We can make him better than he was. Better, stronger, faster"
Good stuff
This was a well researched and presented video. Thanks a lot! I think to an extent a battle between Anakin and Vader would come down to motivation. If Anakin had someone he wanted to protect enough he would win. In the end during Return of the Jedi Anakin did finally win the mental battle against Darth Vader inside of him in order to save his son Luke. In Revenge of the Sith Anakin only overpowered Dooku after Obi-Wan who at this point was still his brother and father figure was rendered unconscious. Sure Dooku then taunted him but I always thought protecting Obi-Wan was still a big factor in Anakin's win here as he was unwilling to leave Obi-Wan after the battle carrying him on his back saying "his fate will be the same as ours" so he was clearly on Anakin's mind during the battle. At least that's how I interpreted it LOL
“Undersand” is like Vader Kryptonite, like sand that forfeits the high ground by default
I think that Vader knows his limitations and specifically retooled his style to compensate for that. He adopted techniques for all of the styles including Form 2 Makashi, Form 3 Soresu, in addition to all the other major forms. I think he is intimately familiar with Anakin Skywalker's Fighting style and tactics. He would be prepared for anything Anakin would try and has already thought of how to employ his strengths while taking advantage of any of Anakin's weaknesses to overcome him. He is without doubt the greatest Jedi Hunter/Killer the Galaxy has ever seen. Anakin would prove challenging but I believe Vader would prevail.
2:30 I believe the word you were looking for is "dismember."
Vader: You Gotta Be Sh*tting Me
Anakin: I Don’t Like Sand
Vader: Yeah I Know, I Know
🤣🤣 I understood that reference
Without watching the video I’m gonna say in force powers Anakin is stronger (because he has more limbs hence a higher m count) but as for pure strength Darth Vader (he’s half man half machine he is literally Cybernetically enhanced
Speed, Strength, Potatoe?? and Skill. Is what was said, because that is what I heard. 11:11
1:08 I LOL'D so hard on that part 😆😆😆😆😆
I believe had Anakin never suffered the injuries he ultimately still wouldn’t be as powerful as Vader. Vader was forced to learn from past mistakes in his injuries were a constant reminder plus the pain in fact it made him a stronger Sith than he could’ve ever possibly been. He still out classes most sith while retaining less than half of his original body.
What are you on?
@@Godisgoodalways7777 they might not be wrong, Anakin never took the Force particularly seriously.
Without Sidious to guide him and left to his own devices, Anakin might have never surpassed the level of Windu or Yoda for lack of effort.
Talent is good, but it takes hard work to make the most of talent.
Here's how I rank them:
1. Anakin at his theoretical full potential
2. Darth Vader with all of his injuries
3. Anakin as he was during Revenge of the Sith
Anakin is like a football player with unlimited stamina yet he lacks the finishing touch to score the goal, Vader on the other hand waits and almost disappears from the field and as soons as you forget about him he scores lol
Vader had less, but trained the muscle far greater.
I guess it is about density Obi wan says that he has more than 20k/per cell this is a density measurement, if this was true you could get fatter and get more powerful since you have more mass
The Dark Side is just flat out better for a 1v1 duel. We've seen that countless times - the only Jedi who actually beat Palpatine in a fight was Windu, who had learned to channel the Dark Side via his new lightsaber form. Maul and Dooku both regularly took 2v1 or worse odds, and even Savage ran through Jedi like tissue paper. Vader claps Clone Wars Anakin, though a hypothetical fully realized Chosen One Anakin would be on another level of power.
I can picture Anakin and Vader somewhere off playing Spectral Chess somewhere is what I got from the title anyways
Undersand : The opposite of having the high ground.
Anakin: has the power two control literal gods.
Darth Vader: killed by static from an old man.
I don’t know who IS stronger?
Edit: I guess I’m not as familiar with comics. Vader apparently ripped open the dimensional rift in space time.
Vader could make them bow to him too. Them Gods can only be made bow by the chosen one which Vader is . Vader is also stated to be stronger. I can paste the text here if you like
You know Vader ripped open a dimensional barrier in the canon comics, right? He did die from force lightning, yes, and his suit was vulnerable to electricity, but he was not weak in his feats of strength and power!
@@SWDude2710 🤓🤓🤓🤓
@@hamster1748 not sure if you're being rude or not, but I can't say for sure.
You do realize that old man was the most powerful being in SW, right? Also, the books already confirmed that Vader is stronger than Anakin. Obi-Wan in A New Hope said Anakin had only gotten stronger as Vader in the novel.
What's funny to me is that the Jedi and Sith are essentially 2 sides of the same coin, because they were so stringent about their way being correct that there was no possible way, in their minds, that the other side could possibly be right.
What scene is that from the beginning? I don’t remember that in the movies?
What did he say at 11:14? There’s no way he said potato! 😂
He still had 20,000 per cell but lost a chunk of his ability or ability to access them. That’s why he couldn’t do force lightening. The force gets stronger in you as you age and if you lose limbs you can’t tap powers that come with it.
Anakin can’t understand vader as a different person. Anakin and Vader are ONE
Darth Vader if he didn't get burned would be levels stronger but he lost a lot of his force power on Mustafar. However he then got trained by the emperor and is a Sith which naturally made him stronger than a Jedi Padawan in my opinion
In legends, he lost a lot of his potential! In canon, he's just more powerful and hasn't lost his potential, which I honestly prefer as legends kinda makes him seem a more pathetic in comparison, especially because of his inconsistent power levels, of which I've heard someone mention.
@@SWDude2710 it dont make sense, canon makes sense as midihlorians per cell is what is measured soo
@@Capitulated000 point taken. Though, I'm still glad he didn't loose his power regardless in canon.
@@SWDude2710 good job
@@SWDude2710 : Even in Legends, Vader in the suit is still strong enough to beat any Jedi. Initially he was weaker than Obi Wan Kenobi and Yoda, but later Kenobi and Yoda became old and weak.
Vader is a fine crafted tool. Anikan while stronger is cocky which could lead to a loss against Vader.
Before watching the video I’d like to say I feel they’re pretty equal Vader gots a fuckton of experience along with a lot of power but got fucked by palps intentionally crippling him while Annie gots power, not being crippled but not as experienced as Vader but if they fought on Tatooine they’d both lose to the almighty sand dunes
Hey Allen I'm pretty sure Vader lost like 20% his force power but anakin never really used the force too much Vader focused on using it alot so ofc he is gonna have more powers once he's vader
I think Vader would have ultimately won if they both faught at peak levels. Anakin was just too hot headed for a light side only user and sure anakin had battle experience. But Vader has literally the exact same experiences plus soooo much more. And if Vader knew it was his younger self (assuming he does) he would know exactly how he used to fight.
I'd like to add the rules and laws of predators here. A predator has the luxury of showing vulnerabilities or creating vulnerabilities simply because they are stronger and skilled enough to cover up those vulnerabilities in an instant once an attack or a threat occurs. Prey do not have that luxury. Prey use an extreme amount of energy in order to prevent the creation of any vulnerabilities, simply because of the fact that they know that they must be in the moment of readiness when an attack occurs just to be able to survive. Predators and prey move in different ways. Anakin always impulsive and going with the initiative is a result of him always thinking that he is not good enough, his lighting attacks and hyper speed maneuvers is a result of him feeling like he needs to be more predatorial in order to overpower his opponent. A real predator with real skills and strength does not do this. Predators play with their prey.
5:46 the key word here is density. It doesn’t matter how many midiclorians you have throughout the body, it’s the density; ie the count of midiclorians per cell. If it was midiclorians throughout the entire body that determined force sensitivity then that would make an elephant more force sensitive then a mouse because of size. But that’s not the case.
To me there are three versions of Anakin. The light, the dark, and the sith. I felt that there was something along these lines when I played the Episode 3 playstation game and saw the what if scene where he beat Obi-wan and then proceeded to kill Sidious and claimed control of everything.
The Jedi only needed to teach Anakin some anger management techniques like breathing in and out.
And also sidisas or however you spell his name gave him weaker Cybernetics on purpose and made sure that Vader was weak and vulnerable to force lighting so that Vader couldn't attempt to overthrow him
Vader would defeat the Anakin we saw in clone wars and revenge of the sith. But if Anakin retained his full body and became a sith he’d be infinitely more powerful then that of Vader
Im not sure what i think, we've seen Anakin go all out in fights against Dooku and obi wan (im gonna call that anakin because he wasnt in the suit), but in all of the fights so far, vader has been either toying with someone, like in the kenobi show, or trying to turn them to the dark side, like in ROTJ/ESB, so I don't know what his power cap is
Yeah it depends when you play EA Battlefront 2 playing either Anakin Skywalker or Darth Vader in a 1V1 Lightsaber duel on that game.
Double nil...no one.... both personalities getting their own way😂😂😂😂
Tough call. The Skywalker way is to feel a pull towards the Dark and the Light. I think without his crushing defeat, Anakin would’ve been more indecisive about choosing dark or light. But Vader spent years with the dark fueled by his hate after being maimed. Anakin potentially could’ve been more powerful and balanced in the Force but his conflicted nature. Look at the fights Kylo Ren lost to his struggles with dark and light. Commitment matters
Makes me wonder why didn't Obi-Wan tries to reason with Anakin.
Then I remember a what if video.
Kinda hard to reason with a man who just offed some kids, choked out his pregnant wife and is now constantly twirling a laser sword at you.
Speed, strength, potato?
Potato?
could please make a video about vladilena milize from anime 86
Honestly Vaapad if mastered would have been the perfect outlet for Anakin
I am amazed You guys manage to stay with the franchise.I, for the life of me cannot. Nothing in the Star Wars universe is making any sense any more. Every time Disney touches Star Wars, something breaks. This is worse than McAffee Antivirus ever was. -That speaks immensely about how poor Star Wars has become. For instance, if I had kids, I would never have let them watch Kenobi. I saw three episodes and faded out. I don't even play SWTOR or Empire at War anymore. I find it off-putting every time my mouse hovers over the icons.
He lost the majority of his power on Mustarfar, hence why he never challenged palpatine for leadership
Vader defeating Anakin as he was when he was cut down VS now than sure. However if you took an Anakin and Vader at the same age then I would imagine Anakin would win hands down. Pinning Vader against Anakin now as Vader went on to become as strong as he did and leaving Anakin right where he was when he was cut down then Vader obviously wins. But an experienced Jedi Master Skywalker against an experienced Sith Lord Darth Vader would be more of a fair fight however as I just said I believe Anakin would be far more powerful than Vader could ever have hoped to become. Stronger than Darth Sidious The Emperor or Grand Master Yoda and yes even stronger than Grand Master Luke Skywalker.
Luke would still body him. Luke is confirmed the most powerful at full potential by the creator.
Isn't vader older than anakin? Depending which era of vader we're taking about this might be a significant factor
Vader in both his prime and at his oldest was still stronger than Anakin. The only case you could make is saying the very moment Vader first got his suit, he probably was weaker than Anakin due to shock.
To be fair to Obi Wan, at the point he delimbed him and left him burning on the side of a lake of lava Anakin had marched on the Jedi Temple ( which was full of the very young, the very old, and the wounded and little else ) and killed everyone there, personally slaughtering children that were looking to him for help ( something he got to see a recording of straight from the security feeds ). Then when they get to Mustafar Anakin force choked his very pregnant wife and didn't seem to care in the least as he went to go attack Obi Wan.
He had no idea Anakin would survive, or that Palpatine would get to him so quickly ( seriously, just how close are Corsucant and Mustafar? Injuries like that don't leave you living very long )
As to the question from the vid? I'd give the fight to Vader. He might have taken a bit of a hit in raw power, but then Obi wan was weaker in terms of raw power and still left Anakin extra crispy. Vader is far more focused and less reckless and has spent years honing his skills specifically to hunt down other force users and kill them, one at a time or in groups. Anakin would be toast ( again )
Normally those injuries don't let you live long but the Dark side is good at keeping people alive through any injury that isn't immediately fatal. Like when Maul was cut in half and fell down a hole.
Anakin would be the better duelist but Vader is more skilled and powerful in the force and he has more focus and control.
Is there an estimare of how many clones and jedi were at the jedi temple?
Anakin also went to the temple and killed and help kill hundreds of Jedi. By Mustafar he was more than just a Dark Jedi. He was a heartless killer. He had it coming.
Did he say Anakin has "potato"?
Another most mysterious question about Star Wars: Why don't Obi-wan just Force pushed Anakin into the river of lava?
Covered in the excellent RotS novel;
Obi-Wan saw Anakin writhing, engulfed in pain, fear and fire
…it would have been mercy to kill him…
…but after seeing Skywalker slaughter younglings, betray their religion and even almost kill Anakin, and thus, their unborn child…
Obi-Wan was not feeling merciful
I figured it was just because they didn't want to get sued by Tolkiens estate.
He was too emotionally conflicted to fully kill him.
He had places to be and stuff to do.
I also think it’s against the Jedi code to kill the unarmed.
Remember Anakin saying that is wasn’t the Jedi way when he killed Dooku and didn’t allow Mace to kill Sidious.
Obi wan was a Jedi and thinking he would have died.
That’s my interpretation of it
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I was just thinking about how Mace Windu did a lot of things that Anakin did, but was praised for them. For example Mace Windu frequently used the dark side but no one batted an eye. Anakin used the dark side and killed the Jedi's most powerful enemy at the time in Count Dooku, yet wasn't given the rank of master. Mace Windu was the youngest Jedi to be put on the council and Anakin was supposed to surpass his record because he was the chosen one and just killed Count freaking Dooku. The Jedi then order him to spy on his friend after denying him mastery and don't explain why very well. They treated Anakin like shit and with every else that was going on his life its no wonder he trusted Palpatine more than them.
Density isn't total. He would still have a lot of midicolorians per square inch. Per say but he would have much less square inches in total.
The word you’re looking for is ‘dismember’ - (cutting off limbs).
I don't think that the loss of limbs would lower Midichlorian count. That means Yoda would be much weaker in the force than a Wookie Jedi. The percentage per liter of blood should be what matters.
Couldn't agree more. And yes I point to Yoda as an example too. The main thing keeping him below Sideous was his internal conflict that held him bach Force-Wise.
It really depends on which anakin we are talking about like anakin as (pre Vader and darth Vader) powers fluctuate because of his emotions . If anakin was full blown light or full blown dark side he would of beat/killed Obi wan easily and really any force user. So it’s really a toss up like anakin is definitely stronger then Vader but darth Vader isn’t a push over and has done some extreme stuff especially in the comics
I'll help you out ,it's not call de-limbing it's called dismemberment
What was that Potato? what style was that?
I think in a lightsaber battle Anakin would win but in a pure force battle the odds are stacked against Anakin, mainly because of the punishment Vader can take and the fact that Anakin did not use sith lighting
Anakins speed, strength, ingenuity, his mastery of djem so, his latent force potential. He outclassed vader in every way. Hatred and pain are the only things that keep vader in the fight against anakin if they were separate beings. Anakins only downfall would be hubris.
Vader is stronger, physically anyway due to his cyber implants, plus he’s stronger in terms of power and is a master in multiple different saber combat forms.
In canon anyway, in Legends I agree Anakin takes it.
Vader losing midichlorians after his injuries on mustafar isn’t a theory, it’s a fact. Vader at his peak power was only 80% as powerful as Palpatine where before he would eventually become twice as powerful and possibly beyond, and a part of Vader’s surgery into his suit there was a massive concern over preserving the midichlorions still alive in his
body. His last remaining natural limbs being cut off and the burns all over his body destroyed a pretty decent chunk of Vader’s midichlorion count and potential in the force.
I think Anakins anchor to the light side was Ashoka
Anikin is more talent. Vader is more controlled
Anakin had more potential but at their realized peaks Vader would win b/c he wont hold back, isn't as conflicted, and learned a great deal from his loss against Kenobi. 🔥
The "Ying & Yang" of it, If you will .