The sad thing is as a Christian therapist who specializes in trauma, many who grew up in this don’t want anything to do with Jesus if they were able to escape this abuse! I work in SoFlo and God has brought many spiritually, emotionally and physically abused souls to my practice. It’s a battle but Jesus holds the victory and is the Wonderful Counselor. Please pray for me as I continue to walk by faith and not by sight while trying to help these hurting souls. 🙏🏽❤️✝️👣🌄
@@tiffjody07 I only hold a license in the state of Florida. In the future when the counseling compact finalizes and if your state is part of it then maybe 🙏🏽❤️✝️👣🌄
How old were you when you started attending? What was the initial draw for you (or, if you were a child, for your parents)? What was it like leaving, in terms of backlash and/or shunning from members and friends who remain(ed)?
@@tintinismybelgian I was in my early twenties when I started attending. Someone introduced me. I had emotional experiences that I believed were God. It was difficult to leave and there was backlash from the pulpit made in sly comments. Thankfully most of our friends kept in touch with us.
Be sad, be very sad. This reflects on the whole body of Christ in the mind of unbelievers. He is a false shepherd/ teacher / prophet, or whatever he claims to be.
I used to think that I was crazy for thinking that I’m being spiritually abused when my parents take me to these meetings. And yes I feel sorry for my family and church were not able to see that this is spiritual abuse because this is all they’ve ever known.
It's because they're not reading their Bibles! All one needs to do is READ HEBREWS! _“Long ago, at many times and in many ways, God spoke to our fathers by the prophets, _*_but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son,_*_ whom he appointed the heir of all things, through whom also he created the world.”_ Hebrews 1:1-2 ESV As a former new-ager, these "peacocks" are like "psychics," and are far from what a real contemporary prophet should look like today: simply pastors/preachers who preach Christ/the Word of God/Scripture/the Bible. *That's it!* All that "P" alliteration helps to remember this easy discernment of someone who claims they "have a world from the Lord for you," and why I can call myself a cessationist while _also_ believing in prophecy. Because the "prophecy" I believe in is the Word of God, not this extra-biblical garbage.
I saw him in Toronto, and he asked me if I wanted a word and I said "Yeah", I guess I wasn't hyped and excited enough like everyone else. So he kissed his teeth and said "Ugh you're not serious" and fanned me off. Immediately after a lady tapped me and said "You have to yell and scream and be very excited for him to share a word with you." That was the dumbest thing I've ever heard. I get a word every moment I open my bible! GOODBYE!
Did you know anything about this guy before you went there? The first time I saw him, I knew he's extremely dangerous, controlling and self-aggrandizing.
His maternal grandmother was a high priestess in the Caribbean occult called Santaria. Exposed to the spirits from early childhood. He has deep roots and needs deliverance. He puts on the charm, tries to control people, says horrible accusations. This narcissism, spiritual abuse and self-aggrandizing top the ranks of murderous men, corporate heads and televangelists.
I went to a bible institute that was very similar to this. Their were “healers” like this and crazy talking and yelling. I ran from there after my year was up. They were so awful saying i was running away from God and they were spreading rumors about me. It was so intense and pushed me away from God for years. Praise God for not giving up on me.
Mr. Mike Winger, you have been my altime favorite digital pastor. I have grown and challenged my own faith so much through your training of thinking biblically. May the Lord bless you and keep you ministering for him.
I’m half way through this video and I just have to comment. As a teenager growing up in a West African church, we have naturally been conditioned to believe that we are sinning or either going to hell when we challenge a “man of God.” They always use the statement from the Bible, “touch not my anointed” as a shadow of their deceit. I can understand how intimidated Amoa is and most likely, I would have been also, despite my knowledge of the word. This is why I’m skeptical of going to churches that are prophetic based.SMH!!!!
💯 right, this is the sort of thing me and my family grew up in. On another note, Ed sounds West African but I can't find where he's from anywhere! Do you happen to know?
A big name prophestess uses the touch not line often. Manipulation is not becoming of anyone. I stopped following all of them online, there seems to be a nest if them that run in the same circle and defend each other. Such an ugly thing they are doing.
Churches should not be run by prophets, even if they are truly anointed by God, they usually end up hurting people because they are prophets and not pastors.
I grew up in a ministry like this. Praise the LORD that my dad followed the leading of the Spirit to leave and teach us the TRUTH about Jesus and the love of God for us!!! 🙌🏽 I pray that each and every person a part of this ministry will be endowed with knowledge of the truth and the boldness of the Spirit to escape!!!
I've been to services like this years ago when I first became a Christian in the UK. It was a powerful feeling during the meetings... but I always went away dissatisfied. Something always felt a bit wrong. I couldn't always put my finger on it. Experience and good theology eventually helped me.
@ladawg81 Thanks, Idawg81, but I'm already there. This was 30 years ago. I've been through the whole abuse thing and came out of it stronger. Part of the issue back then was that I was a novice Christian and didn't really know better. This sort of thing was on the edges of the Charismatic Movement, but it was where I was at while I assimilated what the Bible was saying. The whole 'slain in the Spirit' thing was common practice but I never found justification for it in the Bible and that is where my disillusionment with it started. Demon possession was also popular... and while there is Biblical precedent, what I saw almost never matched up the with Bible depictions. Thankfully as well as these mad actions, there were plenty of good teachers who taught the truth and I began to discern lots of bad things that happened in the name of 'God'.
@@scottmullarkey4885 Yup, sadly. Sometimes it is people from abroad, but I can think of multiple cases where British leaders have done this sort of thing - maybe not every aspect of it. The Toronto Blessing in the 90's is an example of this that affected a lot of Charismatic churches, though thankfully many overcame their love of the 'experiences' and headed back to following Jesus.
For me visiting this type of church was a terrible experience. It only increased all of my doubts and made me think Christians had most likely brainwashed themselves.
@Keith they have been around forever, it's disgusting the lies, manipulation etc. I'm so grateful to have this foolishness behind me. & follow the true Gospel of Jesus Christ
It’s the ultimate sin . It’s one of the things I realized when I was saved . That rebirth God made very clear what pride is and how destructive it is . I think All sin is birthed from it in one way or the other
the most scary part is this- you go read Exodus, numbers, Leviticus and Deutronomy- and you come away thinking this is a very severe God, that was before He slaughtered His only begotten Son. God help us all!
I'm literally praying for Amoa right now. My goodness, Lord please find Amoa and show him your love and show him who you truly are. 😭😭😭 That this experience may not mark him in a negative way in Jesus' name.
Lol. I did that during Sozo prayer and I knew they were listening to demons…. They said they saw God handing me a wand! I separated and went No Contact with my family because of my mother and her narcissistic control and her occult and WITCHCRAFT she used while going to church and acting Christian!! She even sat me down at 12 and told me my witchcraft lineage and I was the next “chosen one”. NOPE… was already saved and went in and renounced that. Now tell me why some Sozo prayer women came up with God handing me a “wand” if the Bible forbids witchcraft and my background?! Who were they listening to??? So glad I read my Bible as a child and was a stronger Christian. I cant imagine the damage they have done to others… we approached our pastor (this was at our old church) and he would not listen and backed them up even after we presented the info to him!
Yes and no, prophets are not fortune tellers, that is the problem when people use the ministry of prophecy as that. The " prophet" and the person seeking the fortune telling
My sister and I used to be part of a church like this and I can tell it's spiritual abuse just as you said. I was visiting and my sister was a full time member so she was abused more. We were made to believe that serving the pastor and his appointed shepherds was serving Jesus. The pastor would talk about his church in every sermon and how it was a good Godly family and that serving in his church and obeying the leaders would please God, but it was all to get the members to be hooked to the church and also willingly sew seeds. He made serving and please God look and feel easy, cause all you had to do was channel all your admiration, honour, faith and every good thing you had to give God for you being an awesome God, through him. He was very charismatic and would frequently guilt trip everyone into submission, talking about how he had helped many people and making his "appointed shepherds" and some of the old church members talk about what he had done for them during service. His messages were repeated over and over again and he would again guilt trip everyone into listening to his sermons daily. If you were able to quote him or repeat the things he said in his sermons, he would be impressed and everyone was trying to impress him, because that was all part of serving God apparently. Marrying out side of the church was basically illegal and he along with his appointed shepherds would control the dating scene in the church, pairing up whoever they felt would go together and if you didn't like the person you were paired with, well you were going against the will of God for your life. So many of the couples in the church clearly didn't love each other and the one couple that was genuine didn't get married because the pastor told them to. They were basically the devils in that church since their relationship clearly proved that the pastor didn't know best and wasn't really hearing from God when it came to relationships..well and basically everything else. Every sermon was some kind of damage control tool to silence members who had figured him out and to patch up the non-existent relationship between those he had put together. He would even talk about members personal issues(even their sex lives (and yes he knew that much. All couples were to report everything that happens in their lives to him.) through out sermons for some reason. He Frequently cheated on his wife with the church members, took luxurious trips with his shepherds and assistant pastors in the name of looking for a venue for a couples retreat, and did many other shady things all in the name of God. I felt quite stupid for following him and believing that he was a genuine man of God. But I've learned my lesson. Anytime I come across a man of God talking about himself more than about Jesus, my red flags go up. I'm not falling for that nonsense again and neither is my sister. She was abused more because she was a full time member and actually served in the church, but now she goes to a much better church where the pastor is always pointing to Jesus. I follow the new pastors ministry and I've noticed that after listening to his sermons all I think about is Jesus. Not the pastor and not the church.
Don't think this happens in pentecostal type churches. Anytime we give a man too much power , corruption steps in. My husband and I have been watching a very slow downward progression, as the church members are becoming enslaved to the pastor instead of servants of Jesus Christ. We now have a "professional development " class which deacons and leaders are expected to attend. Return on investment is what now drives their decisions. Ordinary people are ignored. My husband and I step in quietly to meet the needs. We try to ignore the nonsense, but the reality is at some point we will need to leave. There are lots of messages about serving the Lord, but very few on witnessing. Lots on stewardship-but no other ministry is reputable and the tithe only belongs to the local church.This is how we are able to raise $ 40,000 to send the pastor on the trip of his dreams- a tour of England to advance his on the side business promoting the KJV. This just a few months after raising tens of thousands for a fesibility study, which anyone with half a brain could see, wouldn't work. My husband respects the pastor for his role and the help he has been to us over the years, but he''s made it quite clear that he serves the LORD not church leadership.
Sounds very much like the church I grew up in, in the former Soviet union Pentecostal, churches we’re doing the same thing, telling people who to marry, or telling people not to marry at all, because Jesus is their bride groom
I like how Mike noticed that most of the people in the crowd were women. We absolutely are more susceptible to deception since we are very emotional beings (while men tend to be more rational). We need more godly men to stand up against things like this that bring reproach to the name of Christ. Thank you Mike for your work and may the Lord bless you!
Respectfully, I don't believe this is biblically accurate, especially in Christ; women are not More easily deceived, rather Eve was deceived. Jesus said we have the same Spirit, and there is no male or female in Christ. When the Lord speaks about the weaker vessel, He is speaking physically. Women were created for the glory of man. Furthermore, Eve was not commanded by God directly, but through Adam, therefore it would make perfect sense that Satan went to Eve to deceive her. Especially because Adam and Eve were perfect up until that point, and did not have a sin nature. It's important to note that Adam was next to Eve at some point when she disobeyed. She made a decision apart from her husband, which is probably a more accurate depiction of our female nature and rebellion. They were one and in perfect fellowship as God designed. I think we often try to reason why women should not lead men when the answer is very simple; God made a Patriarchy, an order to His Creation. Women are not to lead men because they are not the head; not because women are more easily deceived or intellectually inferior because that would disqualify women from leading other women and would make Pauls discipleship of other women in vain! We are comparable to Christ and the Father when Jesus walked the earth. Just because Jesus could doesn't mean He acted through His divinity rather He submitted Himself completely to the Father because they were always in perfect union. Jesus was always God and never set aside His divinity, but He humbled Himself when He became a man and did as the Father directed Him; and it was not because He wasn't capable. He completely relied upon the Father by choice. Jesus created this order in the garden and that's just the way it is. I think that is a dangerous generalization and puts the emphasis on mankind rather than Christ. Jesus says man is the head of woman, because that's how He created us; a husband is the head of his wife. It also leaves room for abusive control and spiritual abuse; making women believe they are incomplete in Christ without a man. What about widows? Those who will not marry? Women are the weaker vessel in the flesh and more prone to emotionality, but that does not equate women being intellectually inferior. I know many women who are rational and self controlled more than the average person by nature, how God created their personalities, therefore in Christ they display such an almost impossible fruit of the Spirit. It's a sight to witness. This sort of belief just defies the gospel and makes man the mediator rather than Christ. Also Human behavior is not measured this way, and scripture does not state that women are more easily deceived, rather women are more prone to make decisions apart from the head; independence. Maybe I am missing something, and I would be happy to receive correction. I just do not see this in scripture rather in fundamentalism.
I think this is true. Even in secular circles, women are at the forefront of being deceived by the sway of talkshow hosts. Not that men are better, there are other areas where they are more susceptible but in this regard, I think you are correct
I was fortunate to have spent my formative Christian years in a church that taught the bible line by line. I only ever visited a pentacostal church later on after having formed a spiritual foundation. I'm sorry for your experience, and I hope that you will come to understand the Lord and His word better through legitimate teaching.
@@SherrellMooreTucker I too had the same experiences when I was a child. I am 42 now and still remember these services and how they scared me as a young girl, I had nightmares and would get terrified by these services. It took me over 30 years to admit this to my mother. I’m Adventist now….no more of this nonsense.
This is an example of pure narcissistic abuse in the church . The complete opposite of everything Jesus stands for My heart absolutely breaks for these people - you can sense the fear in them ! Everyone walking on eggshells Thank you so much for exposing this Mike
I actually had an experience like this years ago as a new Christian where I did not agree with the “prophet” when he said I had visions. Thank God the Holy Spirit revealed truth to me and I didn’t get sucked in to this false Christianity. Just Jesus for me nothing else!
Just because of one experience with a false prophet doesn't negate the true ones. I met a true prophet once, and he prophesied everything correctly...I didn't give him any hints, I just said yes or no .. and he spoke of my past, and then my present and then my future. And everything he said, including the prophecies about my future were correct. Just don't judge someone based on your past experiences...as they say don't judge a book by it's cover
Love this. And I'm also from West Africa (Liberia). Someone said in the comments and I'll say it again, Mike Winger and others like him are my favorite online pastors: Christ-honoring, Bible-believing, truth-telling, uncompromising, humble, consistent, relatable.....Pastor Mike, I pray your messages reach all 8 billion of us on this planet so no one will have the excuse of not hearing the true Gospel of Jesus Christ. I also pray your success in ministry never gets to your head. By your demeanor, I don't think it ever will - but you never know.
We all need to pray that we don't get puffed up because we have the truth. We should pray for ourselves just as much as the lost so that we don't fall into temptation.
Forgive, for he knows not what he does. Forgiveness ends anger. It allows us to teach people to let go of their anger. Only forgiving people are good teachers and happy people.
I left a church that wore the pretense of being so "spiritual" and in touch with God. And yet, the pastor deliberately and knowingly made every effort to avoid contact with me, one on one when the opportunity presented itself for him to "love not in word only, but in deed and truth" by engaging me in simple, friendly conversation for a few moments. In those moments following the rejection,, God spoke to my heart and said "you are always welcome in My house" when I was alone and hurting as I sat in my vehicle on the church parking lot, in the process of leaving the worship service. It just shows me the falseness and hypocrisy of so called spiritual people. Not all, but some.
As a Christian pastor/teacher this is both grieving and infuriating me. Lord have mercy on those who follow this false profit (intentional misspelling).
One question, are you healing people and casting demons out through The Lords name and giving glory to Jesus? I think a pastor can have these gifts. If you’re not, then why aren’t you doing it? People are using these things as an excuse to teach that God can’t heal nor set people free.
Yeah im praying for the same thing for myself. Someone that isn't manipulating me, gaslighting me, denying my reality, discouraging me, isolating me from any and all non-manipulative/non-gaslight individuals that know anything about the psychological abuse and denial of truths and reality...they won't even acknowledge that they are gaslighting me... I pray that Jesus sends information or a person who won't gaslight me. I need help so bad but no one cares
You know what else is odd about this meeting is how God is sovereign over everything and delivers them from everything, except coronavirus apparently. Are the masks "annointed"???
@@dancinina4592 You can ignore all these religious scammers. Yahweh never existed any more than Baal, Asherah, Chemosh, Marduk, Dagon or any of the other gods mentioned in the Bible. It is nothing but a bunch of mythological nonsense written by primitive people. These pastors and youtubers want your tithes and offerings, buy their books explaining this nonexistent deity, and watch and subscribe to their channels for their own benefit.
@@keithjackson4985 NOTHING funny about ANYBODY BEING DECEIVED or The DECEIVER HIMSELF. Because ain't NOTHING funny about being lead off into hell....PERIODT 🙅🏽♀️
my heart felt broken, when the young man said "i have a spirit of confusion", all he needed was some private fasting maybe, close faithful christian friends, maybe professional therapy depending on his real condition and Bible verses: "God is not the author of confusion..." "God has not given us the spirit of fear but a spirit of a sound mind..." And a loving warm-hearted relationship with Jesus!
My heart also went out to Amoa.. He was so intimidated by that guy.. however, he was compelled to participate as he did not want to be handed over to Satan.. that is spiritual abuse and much more.
This guy invokes anxiety within me. I could never be in the same room with this insanity. It’s hard to believe people fall for this theatrical nonsense.
Because they're hungry and they're needy and want magical answers. They want a vending machine God and these types of prophets provide it. Or at least the illusion of it.
I used to go to services like these. I always went away feeling anxious and like something was wrong with me. Like I wasn’t a good Christian because I just couldn’t really fall for it. Thankfully I started getting more grounded in the Word and stay far away from the “prophets” I used to follow.
I didn't have spiritual abuse like this. But I was said my faith is not enough, I have to increase my faith, I had to take one step forward, "the lord said" something vague, not clear enough for me to understand what exactly God wants me to do. When I went home I only felt worse, more pressure, anxiety I can't explain how terrible it was.
I grew up in a Pentecostal church. Saw a lot of stuff over the years. I believe God can move in miraculous ways, but not when played out like this. The enemy can and will mimic the authentic. You made some fantastic points here. Hopefully someone will be delivered by watching it.
My mama was raised in a Pentecostal church, my daddy was raised in the Baptist faith. He insisted we all go to a Baptist church, so we only went to the pentecostal church a few times when my granny would invite us. All i remember is being a little kid and me and my cousin sitting there and everyone in the church was standing and crying loudly and a couple were even talking funny. So me and my cousin were only about 6/7 yrs old and i looked at her and whispered "why are we the only ones not crying?" And we giggled . We couldn't understand this. I was never afraid of any of it, because the people there truly were the nicest people and they believed in helping each other and others. And i loved my granny of course. But, i stuck with my baptist church more because it always felt like that. It felt really awkward being the only one not yelling, crying, etc. Now I'm sort of non denominational i guess, since idk where i really fit in. But still saved and still know Jesus saved me.
ALSO..in book of Acts, there are dispensations. In the beginning of Paul's ministry, he was able to heal Later, he couldn't even heal Timothy stomach problem
That was beyond sad and disturbing. You can see the fear in that kids eyes. The screaming and mob mentality made me cringe. Praying he leaves that “church.”
Thank you for this video Mike! I spent a large part of my childhood in churches like this. I knew something wasn't right. I would ask about things and be told I have demons or a religious spirit on me. But God was louder than them, and I left. Happy to be part of very genuine, humble and down to earth church. I pray that others would be given the same discernment.
Amazing you left! When I was first saved, I too was invited to a church very similar to this but worse: the "pastor" was a woman. 🤦🏻♀️ But then I started actually reading my Bible! If only more Christians just faithfully read scripture and prayed for wisdom, they too would discover freedom out of these false churches! All one needs to do is READ HEBREWS! _“Long ago, at many times and in many ways, God spoke to our fathers by the prophets, _*_but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son,_*_ whom he appointed the heir of all things, through whom also he created the world.”_ Hebrews 1:1-2 ESV As a former new-ager, these "peacocks" are like "psychics," and are far from what a real contemporary prophet should look like today: simply pastors/preachers who preach Christ/the Word of God/Scripture/the Bible. *That's it!* All that "P" alliteration helps to remember this easy discernment of someone who claims they "have a word from the Lord for you," and why I can call myself a cessationist while _also_ believing in prophecy. Because the "prophecy" I believe in is the Word of God, not this extra-biblical garbage.
@@jessitabonita so true thanks for saying this. I believe in deliverance that people practice now, although there are people who just do it for money, But in my experience, if I did have demonic influence before I was saved it went away with a prayer and me truly accepting Christ and repenting. I’ve seen people pay money for this which is very dubious. I listened to a baptist preacher in California preach against this and I was kinda on the fence although I do know there is spiritual abuse from this because of evil intentions.
My mom did that to me to control me and she would try and convince me I had demons… blamed me for demonic stuff in house when she was the one I found out was involved in the Occult and witchcraft all while I got saved and was reading my Bible. It got hard but glad I escaped when I did… Truly spiritual abuse
13:04 is where this broke my heart. I felt the fear, as the victim panicked and replied "No.." after being told that the devil would take him that day. That is just evil!
How God Almighty doesn’t just strike some of these people down just shows how long-suffering and wonderful his mercy is and yes I agree this is absolutely heartbreaking for the people involved
I say this all the time ..it literally shows how YAHUAH his merciful and as you stated long -suffering ..you can see how God’s wrath is righteous when you see how patient and forgiving he his. But God will not tolerate a consistency of willful disobedience and manipulating his word .
We are in the period of mercy and grace… when the judgement come and the tribulation… I think that grace period will be coming to a close. Eventually His mercy and grace will only be eternal for those who chose Him and serve Him
Handled with much grace. We checked this guy out last night after seeing your Facebook post. My husband couldn’t get through four minutes without sobbing. I found myself after two minutes trying to get farther and farther from the computer. It is so grievous. I don’t know how you managed to watch it all.
Thanks for doing this, Mike. I lived under this type of mess for several years as a new Christian. I would, however, like to point out to viewers that this is an overt example of spiritual abuse. There is covert spiritual abuse that is just as egregious that takes place in churches where never a tongue is spoken nor a prophecy given. It uses the same dynamics - gaslighting, groupthink, and authoritarianism - but it is done through peer pressure and church politics. It is more subtle but much more prevalent.
They are all scammers, Yahweh never existed any more than Baal, Asherah, Chemosh, Marduk, Dagon, Moloch, or any of the other gods mentioned in the Bible.
@@lavenderflowers1075 I wish it were that easy to undo religious brain washing. There are currently 3 billion Muslims and Hindus in the world that prove people will believe anything. It requires a great deal of thought, reading and studying the OT, and education about older myths to see it as the primitive superstitious nonsense it really is. In my experience, most people are unwilling to do these things.
This is so sad…. Breaks my heart to see this, that awful man. I pray and hope that the young man runs from this and never looks back and that God leads him back to himself away from cults
This is hard to watch especially as a charismatic (with a seatbelt, The Bible). Many of my reformed brothers and sisters will look at this as a reason that the gifts have ceased or that demons no longer need to be cast out, or that God does not heal through the prayers of his children. It was a good video, thanks for sharing! :)
Amoah is an incredibly common west African last name. Ghana in particular - my dad grew up there. It’s like asking someone called O’Kelly who in their family is from Ireland.
The deep loud breathing in is also for effect. It raises the heart rate of everyone in the room, with out people realizing it's anxiety not the Spirit of God. It also wraps the "prophet" in the idea of how hard he's laboring for God. It's all a show.
I think the part of this video that made me the saddest was when Mike said, "This is not normal," and I thought back to my childhood and the churches we went to and how this was made to *seem* normal by nearly all of them. ...That was hard to digest. But it also explains why I felt weird attending those places.
Thank you for exposing spiritual abusers like this. These practices are so evil. They are crushing for babes in Christ who trust every voice in the pulpit 😥😰💔
THANK YOU, for addressing this issue! Jesus warned us several times, NOT to be deceived. I find that it helps me to question the motive of a teaching, to see if it's godly or not. If the motive is selfish, then it's not godly/righteous. Thanks for sharing your wisdom with us, Pastor Mike. ❤🙏😊
This is a more serious example of violating "You shall not use The Lord, your God's name in vain". Thanks for making this video Mike, discernment is very important :)
*" I will spit you out of my mouth"* comes to mind, I had a bad experience with the church in Seattle that this reminds me of, it's really sad I guess we need to pray up on things. Thank you Mike for feeding God's flock God bless you your loved ones and the body of Christ.
This man has taken cue from Nigerian “Pastors”. The choice of words, incantations,tying your family name to a tree, witches meeting on a tree. These are usually talking points for Nigerian “Pastors” trying to break you from “generational curses”. They usually take ideas from the practices of the Yoruba religion. He could have easily guessed he was from Ghana. I’m not Ghanian, but grew up around a lot of Ghanaians that I can tell a Ghanian name from a mile away. Using that as some sort of prophetic moment is truly just pathetic. This is type of rubbish is so rampant in Nigeria now, it’s puzzling. Most Nigerian “churches” preach the prosperity gospel and spread the word of faith movement and very few actually preach the true gospel. It is the “mainstream” gospel and people who hold to true Orthodox Christianity and its doctrines, are seen as being “Holier than Thou” and they will quote “touch not the Lord’s anointed” to them more times than you can count. This is truly so sad 😞.
Yup some people mix paganism with Christianity. It’s really sad. Even in my parent’s country this is the case. Others are real Bible believers When you get rid of generational curses you don’t use witchcraft to fight witchcraft
At 21:00 you hit the nail on the head and said something that I have tried and failed to say the right way for years. Every time family members are "oh this guy or that guy" or "you have to come see so and so" I always have tried to explain that it doesn't really matter to me who the pastor is. I can like a pastor, but I don't follow them. I'm not baptized or saved or blessed in the name of pastors. It bugged me that I could never think of it the way you explained it. But that's exactly how it is.
1 Corinthians 1:10-17 is pretty applicable here. Paul says that everyone keeps going around saying "I follow Paul," "I follow Apollos," etc, and that they are very foolish for doing that, because Paul himself doesn't want them following him, but Jesus.
This is embarrassing and I feel sorry for this guy. If he doesn't see the errand of what he's doing before it's too late, there is a place waiting for him. I never heard of this false teacher and I humbly pray for those who attend his "church" to recognize his false teaching, and run, not walk, away.
Sadly he is not alone, I've come across this multiple times in the last 30 years, more so at the beginning of my walk with God before I learned to avoid such things.
I hear you there Vicki. After awhile as you know the Scriptures you really don’t have to even spend your time testing. It’s like counterfeit money. You don’t need to know all the fake bills. Just know the genuine and it’s easy to spot the fake. Once you know Jesus and his grace and mercy, this stuff just looks as ugly and deceitful as it is. If Gods not big enough to speak to me directly, if he has something to say to me, he’s not much of a god. I say that not looking or even considering if he has something to say. He has spoken to me through his son. I can never be grateful enough for his word. Shalom
@@youknowitstrue3826 so says the guy outside of the family. Lol. It's OK, I didn't always believe. I mocked and ridiculed Christ. And then even after I believed I turned my back on him. The love of God to save sinners through Christ Jesus is beyond my natural mindset. May the Holy Spirit open the eyes of your understanding to comprehend His love and grace and mercy. There's nothing better my friend than having peace with God. But we do it His way or we stay outside the family. Don't hesitate to long though, the days get shorter and shorter. Shalom
This is Narcissistic Gaslighting in full swing! I have a great concern how many “powerful” spiritual leaders suffer from mental illness (in most cases narcissism) but it is “covered” by words like anointing or gifting etc. it would be an interesting discussion to have about the influence of mental illness in spiritual abuse.
I came from a spiritually abusive church like this, they said doctors were for people without faith and watched me die of cancer without treatment. It’s prevalent in Africa but it’s here in America too. No words can describe the devastation this evil sham causes
@@crb2061 I had cachexia when the body shuts down to prepare to die. I know what it physically feels like to die, and according to my medical records, should not be alive. I got better but still have cancer after many failed treatments
@@kristinamedinaagee3452 oh wow. I'm glad you are ok. It can be pernicious that religious leaders warn against life saving medical treatments. Medicine, including medications and surgery can be quite risky and should be avoided when possible, but sometime the benefit (staying alive) outweighs the risk. However we should also be wary of being too afraid of death. It is a fate no one can avoid after all.
I had a service where a so-called prophet and “prophesied”. I’m glad that I didn’t fall for the tricks like in this service but I do pray that my brothers and sisters will recognize that not every prophet we come across is true. And I pray for my church that has allowed this kind of spiritual abuse to repent and heal from this horrible situation.
Praying the Lord will deliver his children from these “churches.” This is so difficult to watch, hard to understand how people get sucked into this, but sometimes it’s just a lack of knowledge of the truth. Which is why we who love Christ and the truth of Scripture must be vocal! How beautiful are the feet of them that bring good news! 🥰
Honestly, this is what I have been dealing with for the past year now. My family is convinced that people like this are from God, but when I line up scriptures with these types of people it’s holes. I am 16 years old and I know what God wants me to do; He wants to use me to clear this illusion . Although I am afraid of being rejected from my family and becoming an outcast. I know Christianity is about being rejected from this world and following God. But as of now, I am struggling to pick up my cross. Please pray for me🙏
I will pray for you, Jeremiah. I pray God will use you, just like your namesake. Remember that your family is in spiritual danger, and you are in a position where you can help them. Don’t take the responsibility all on yourself… just do your duty, pray, and trust God. “And everyone who has left houses or brothers or sisters or father or mother or children or farms for My name’s sake, will receive many times as much, and will inherit eternal life” (Matthew 19:29). “Whoever loves father or mother more than me is not worthy of me, and whoever loves son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. And whoever does not take his cross and follow me is not worthy of me. Whoever finds his life will lose it, and whoever loses his life for my sake will find it” (Matthew 10:37-39).
Jeremiah I will also be praying for you. The Lord will keep you and equip you. He will be your comforter and prepare a table for you in the presence of your enemies. He will never abandon or forsake you. He will go on to continue every good work he has begun within you.
Honestly, I’ve been feeling the same way about this but in particular it’s my mom. She’s really into the charismatic movement (Ed, Vlad, Isaac, Jesse, Kevin, etc.) and has been talking about weird stuff that I used to just accept and fear about when I was a kid. (Demon possession instead of just my sin filled fleshy desires that we struggle with, honestly it’s kinda of a lazy way to blame everything and every sin on these principalities) When the new year came around I really committed to reading my Bible (and I mean REALLY) and have been getting new revelations about this way of thinking. The funny thing I found out was none of this lined up biblically…it’s so messed up how these people are leading their “(lost Christians) followers” away from the true Bible and true doctrine. Honestly I see it as a huge money grab and a disservice for people who are actually struggling.
Oof you are bold, I'm 31 and I'm trying to do the same thing, I'm so glad I'm not married because I've been slowly breaking away, and throughout my life I've been reading what was contrary to prosperity gospel Preaching, so I've always been skeptical and I've never spoken in fake tongues or falsely fallen under annointing. but only last year did I start redeveloping divine hatred for this stuff. Now, after seeing how deeply entrenched my family is and someone saying it took their family 22 years to get out, I'm imagining having to pull my family, a husband my own kids, his own family etc out of this crap. Cos I might have ended up meeting "a man of God" in one of these gatherings. I didn't choose which family I was born in but thank God I'm delivered before even my chosen family is riddled with this poison. For that is what this bastardisation of the gospel is. Poison. It poisons how you raise kids, what you tell them in times of suffering, this video but majority of the 365 days of your life. The children will grow up thinking their parents and the "godly" authorities in these gatherings is what God is like.
Pastor Mike, when that man said “what medication?” I about fell out! Thank you for sharing, thank you for your wisdom, thank you for your commentary and once again helping us think biblically about dad situations like this.
This just makes me realize how privileged I grew up being grounded in the word and having Biblical mentors in my life. This was always obvious lunacy to me. But I understand these people just don’t know any better….
I've been in churches similar to this most of my life, growing up in Zimbabwe then moving to the UK and having similar experience. Only in the last few years have I been seeking more expository churches. The Bible is more than enough.
11:37 you stated you believe they indeed think they are led by God. I appreciate you saying this. That reality is what let me actually feel pity for the one that perpetrated spiritual lording over the congregation I was in. I had to leave, but I didn't doubt his sincerity or "commitment" to the "truth" he held. Which just magnifies the simple mystery of how we can be "in the word" for many many years and still slip into such a mindset. Sobering reality. I greatly appreciate your ministry. I'd not learned of you till after leaving that context. You've been a reasoned voice in the waters of pain and confusion.
I’m thankful that you’re showing this and explaining what is taking place. That being said, because I have experienced spiritual abuse, I feel sick to my stomach and my heart is breaking for these innocent people. 😢 so I can’t watch anymore right now-wow the emotions just come flooding back so clearly. Thank you, God please protect people who are trying to find you.
"Don't go messing up the flow." Sounds a lot like... "Touch not the Lord's anointed" being taken out of context with different words. Meaning like you depicting the scenario with that phrase reminded me of that other thing.
Thanks for this video @Mike Winger. Unfortunately this kind of abuse is commonplace in many African churches. I was personally part of this type of church a few years ago but God opened my eyes to see the deception and abuse that was taking place there.
I don’t EVER comment on videos but it breaks my heart to watch/hear people being criticized without ever having met them or had a conversation with them or have gone to their church. I was invited to this church by a friend and went 2x and met this man in person. Although his preaching style was very different than what I am used to, I totally disagree with the ASSUMED narrative given in this video. Ed is not mad, and he is not bullying, this is his preaching style. I personally know people that he has prayed and prophesied over and got free by God through Ed using this same method. I’m not sure how this isn’t biblical Christianity since Jesus himself say said that THESE signs will follow those that believe: in My name they will cast out demons; they will speak with new tongues; they will take up serpents; and if they drink anything deadly it will not harm them; they will lay hands on the sick and they WILL recover. I went to church where we sang songs and heard a “biblically sound” message for years and never got free. I visited Ed’s church in NY 2x (no seating assignments by the way) and he told me all about out a demonic attack that was on my life that tormented me for over a decade and no one knew how much pain and torment I was in. Ed called it out and Prayed for me (in a very similar way to how he did in this video and it was after service NO CAMERAS OR CROWD)and I was totally delivered that day from a spirit of suicide. It has been almost 3 years and I have NEVER even had a single thought of suicide ever since! I have so much more I would like to say in response to this video. But I wanted to just share my testimony and remind others that just because it’s not the way we would do it doesn’t necessarily mean it’s wrong. Yes, he has a congregation that comes every week and pays tithes just like every other church in America. In the account of Jesus casting out the spirit in the young boy in Mark 9 it says “after crying out and throwing him into convulsions it came out of him” and when John told Jesus that they tried to prevent someone who was casting out demons in Jesus’ name because he was “not following US” Jesus replied …”do not hinder him….whoever is not against us is for us.”
This is blatant sin in the name of our Holy God! Absolute self-serving, ridiculous insanity! If you think this is Biblical or Godly in any form, you are apparently still being deceived! So wrong and definitely NOT normal!!! 😮😢
He's very dynamic. That can be attractive to people. The deception is obvious to those of us in traditional Christianity, but those swept away by it need our prayers.
@@paulallen7962 it should be done prayerfully, humbly, with Scriptural foundation, and in love, but yes, we should warn others who say they are Christians but follow these kinds of men.
@@paulallen7962 as believer I believe we have moral responsibility to let them know they are in bad company, God has called us to be the salt and light of the earth, (Mt 5:13) . Both to speak the truth and living with that truth. But of course they always have their choices not forcing them to believe what we believe. If we win them praise the Lord, if not still thanking God for giving you the courage to tell them the truth.
As an Assemblies of God Pastor for 22 years.....thank you for this video....though it is painful, to keep seeing all these....cult-of-personality leaders....it really makes people shy to real miracles...God still heals, and delivers....seen many in those 22 years.....Don't let false teachers discourage you....This is only going to get worse until the Lord returns....falling away and false teachers....
Ooh pastor Mike,this is common here in Africa....This style of doing church is now mainstream.We see this daily and has become acceptable as the norm.Anyone who feels contrary,is branded a rebel or opposer of God's work. Ed was groomed and continues to be mentored by a false prophet in Africa called Jeremiah Omotoh....Then he imported what he learned to the U.S.This commentary is very helpful
This is my story ! I was ridiculed in my former church ( an African initiated church in Belgium). But... the Lord is in control. There still IS a remnant ! God be praised.
This makes me cry! I want to find that young man and TRULY pray with him and introduce him to the REAL Jesus. I will be praying for him and for God to convict Ed
A faith healer came to our Vineyard church when I was a teen, and he tried to push me down to be “slain in the spirit,” but I stayed up and it made him mad. After the service I never once heard the name of Jesus, just the healer being praised and glorified be everyone. To me, that was the biggest sign that this man was a false healer, and I left that church.
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The sad thing is as a Christian therapist who specializes in trauma, many who grew up in this don’t want anything to do with Jesus if they were able to escape this abuse! I work in SoFlo and God has brought many spiritually, emotionally and physically abused souls to my practice. It’s a battle but Jesus holds the victory and is the Wonderful Counselor. Please pray for me as I continue to walk by faith and not by sight while trying to help these hurting souls. 🙏🏽❤️✝️👣🌄
Do you do zoom sessions with clients out of state?
@@tiffjody07 I only hold a license in the state of Florida. In the future when the counseling compact finalizes and if your state is part of it then maybe
🙏🏽❤️✝️👣🌄
SoFlo as in South Florida?
@@RyanSchulz7777 Yeppers
Christian therapist. What is that?.. counseling good and trusting folks after being traumatized by religion?..
Sincere question
This is heartbreaking. I sat in a church like this for a decade plus. By God’s grace we have been delivered from spiritual abuse.
How old were you when you started attending? What was the initial draw for you (or, if you were a child, for your parents)? What was it like leaving, in terms of backlash and/or shunning from members and friends who remain(ed)?
@@tintinismybelgian I was in my early twenties when I started attending. Someone introduced me. I had emotional experiences that I believed were God. It was difficult to leave and there was backlash from the pulpit made in sly comments. Thankfully most of our friends kept in touch with us.
@@prvbs_31 That’s rare. Most folks are shunned for leaving. I’m glad you got out and are healing now. ♥️🙏🏽
@@jaquirox6579 I agree and have personally experienced it from others who left the church. We had strong relationships with many in the church.
damn 10+ years, that long?
I don’t know whether to laugh, cry or be angry. Sad sad sad.
Be sad, be very sad. This reflects on the whole body of Christ in the mind of unbelievers. He is a false shepherd/ teacher / prophet, or whatever he claims to be.
My heart breaks for anyone who cannot immediately tell that this is spiritual abuse.
I used to think that I was crazy for thinking that I’m being spiritually abused when my parents take me to these meetings. And yes I feel sorry for my family and church were not able to see that this is spiritual abuse because this is all they’ve ever known.
@@anjuphiliphs3617 same for my husbands family. ♥️🙏🏽
It's because they're not reading their Bibles!
All one needs to do is READ HEBREWS!
_“Long ago, at many times and in many ways, God spoke to our fathers by the prophets, _*_but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son,_*_ whom he appointed the heir of all things, through whom also he created the world.”_
Hebrews 1:1-2 ESV
As a former new-ager, these "peacocks" are like "psychics," and are far from what a real contemporary prophet should look like today: simply pastors/preachers who preach Christ/the Word of God/Scripture/the Bible.
*That's it!*
All that "P" alliteration helps to remember this easy discernment of someone who claims they "have a world from the Lord for you," and why I can call myself a cessationist while _also_ believing in prophecy.
Because the "prophecy" I believe in is the Word of God, not this extra-biblical garbage.
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How did he Prophecy about my Mothers miscarriage
I saw him in Toronto, and he asked me if I wanted a word and I said "Yeah", I guess I wasn't hyped and excited enough like everyone else. So he kissed his teeth and said "Ugh you're not serious" and fanned me off. Immediately after a lady tapped me and said "You have to yell and scream and be very excited for him to share a word with you." That was the dumbest thing I've ever heard. I get a word every moment I open my bible! GOODBYE!
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Right
Did you know anything about this guy before you went there?
The first time I saw him, I knew he's extremely dangerous, controlling and self-aggrandizing.
Amen. God will give a word when it's His Word no matter your facial expression. He looks at the heart.
His maternal grandmother was a high priestess in the Caribbean occult called Santaria. Exposed to the spirits from early childhood. He has deep roots and needs deliverance. He puts on the charm, tries to control people, says horrible accusations. This narcissism, spiritual abuse and self-aggrandizing top the ranks of murderous men, corporate heads and televangelists.
I went to a bible institute that was very similar to this. Their were “healers” like this and crazy talking and yelling. I ran from there after my year was up. They were so awful saying i was running away from God and they were spreading rumors about me. It was so intense and pushed me away from God for years. Praise God for not giving up on me.
Study bible get people to just do bible study GOD use him for ur GLORY. AMEN
Church would do better if we stop doing church ? And just do bible study. For what it really says
@@donnaparks1919 You don't do church. The church is born-again believers.
This wasn’t by chance in Atlanta, was it?
Praise God! Glad that you're back, my sibling in Christ🙏
Mr. Mike Winger, you have been my altime favorite digital pastor. I have grown and challenged my own faith so much through your training of thinking biblically. May the Lord bless you and keep you ministering for him.
Mine too! Humble, kind and gentle yet oddly strong in the faith and unyielding to the Truth! Humble
Amen!
Yes. I have been greatly helped too.
Caleb Bailey He's only guiding you further astray.
Digital pastor 🤣
I’m half way through this video and I just have to comment. As a teenager growing up in a West African church, we have naturally been conditioned to believe that we are sinning or either going to hell when we challenge a “man of God.” They always use the statement from the Bible, “touch not my anointed” as a shadow of their deceit. I can understand how intimidated Amoa is and most likely, I would have been also, despite my knowledge of the word. This is why I’m skeptical of going to churches that are prophetic based.SMH!!!!
💯 right, this is the sort of thing me and my family grew up in. On another note, Ed sounds West African but I can't find where he's from anywhere! Do you happen to know?
If your church leaders refuse to reason with you about the Scriptures then run far far far away.
A big name prophestess uses the touch not line often. Manipulation is not becoming of anyone. I stopped following all of them online, there seems to be a nest if them that run in the same circle and defend each other. Such an ugly thing they are doing.
Bro I know your pain, it's wickedness of the highest order
Churches should not be run by prophets, even if they are truly anointed by God, they usually end up hurting people because they are prophets and not pastors.
I grew up in a ministry like this. Praise the LORD that my dad followed the leading of the Spirit to leave and teach us the TRUTH about Jesus and the love of God for us!!! 🙌🏽 I pray that each and every person a part of this ministry will be endowed with knowledge of the truth and the boldness of the Spirit to escape!!!
I’m so glad you escaped and found the love of Jesus!
You're very beautiful... don't know if your single.. but hit me up if you are.
I've been to services like this years ago when I first became a Christian in the UK. It was a powerful feeling during the meetings... but I always went away dissatisfied. Something always felt a bit wrong. I couldn't always put my finger on it. Experience and good theology eventually helped me.
@ladawg81 Thanks, Idawg81, but I'm already there. This was 30 years ago. I've been through the whole abuse thing and came out of it stronger. Part of the issue back then was that I was a novice Christian and didn't really know better. This sort of thing was on the edges of the Charismatic Movement, but it was where I was at while I assimilated what the Bible was saying. The whole 'slain in the Spirit' thing was common practice but I never found justification for it in the Bible and that is where my disillusionment with it started. Demon possession was also popular... and while there is Biblical precedent, what I saw almost never matched up the with Bible depictions. Thankfully as well as these mad actions, there were plenty of good teachers who taught the truth and I began to discern lots of bad things that happened in the name of 'God'.
Really this happens here in the UK? I thought it was just abroad
@@scottmullarkey4885 Yup, sadly. Sometimes it is people from abroad, but I can think of multiple cases where British leaders have done this sort of thing - maybe not every aspect of it. The Toronto Blessing in the 90's is an example of this that affected a lot of Charismatic churches, though thankfully many overcame their love of the 'experiences' and headed back to following Jesus.
I'm from UK I went to a prophet with my church it was similar to this but on a very small scale
For me visiting this type of church was a terrible experience. It only increased all of my doubts and made me think Christians had most likely brainwashed themselves.
Guys like this keep surfacing and people keep following. Biblical illiteracy is a huge issue in the body of Christ.
I've never heard the term "Biblical illiteracy" but wow it's so accurate.
@Keith they have been around forever, it's disgusting the lies, manipulation etc. I'm so grateful to have this foolishness behind me. & follow the true Gospel of Jesus Christ
Biblical illiteracy and immaturity amongst believers. Especially those who want entertainment and (worldly) prosperity
Very true :(
this is a problem everywhere but especially in south america and africa
I am so scared for men like this, how God will punish those who abused his bride for personal gain is a scary thing, pride is such a scary sin.
It’s the ultimate sin . It’s one of the things I realized when I was saved . That rebirth God made very clear what pride is and how destructive it is . I think All sin is birthed from it in one way or the other
@@juanvaldez5422yes blaspheming the Holy Spirit is unforgivable. This guy is a demon.
the most scary part is this- you go read Exodus, numbers, Leviticus and Deutronomy- and you come away thinking this is a very severe God,
that was before He slaughtered His only begotten Son. God help us all!
I'm literally praying for Amoa right now. My goodness, Lord please find Amoa and show him your love and show him who you truly are. 😭😭😭 That this experience may not mark him in a negative way in Jesus' name.
Amen
Amen❤
The man was humiliated. I hope the Lord finds him and ministers to him for real this time
Amen
Amen
This is why the best answer to any question a "prophet" asks you is, "you tell me".
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣Correct!
Lol. I did that during Sozo prayer and I knew they were listening to demons….
They said they saw God handing me a wand!
I separated and went No Contact with my family because of my mother and her narcissistic control and her occult and WITCHCRAFT she used while going to church and acting Christian!!
She even sat me down at 12 and told me my witchcraft lineage and I was the next “chosen one”.
NOPE… was already saved and went in and renounced that.
Now tell me why some Sozo prayer women came up with God handing me a “wand” if the Bible forbids witchcraft and my background?!
Who were they listening to???
So glad I read my Bible as a child and was a stronger Christian. I cant imagine the damage they have done to others… we approached our pastor (this was at our old church) and he would not listen and backed them up even after we presented the info to him!
Yeah if God told you, shouldn't you already know?
Yes and no, prophets are not fortune tellers, that is the problem when people use the ministry of prophecy as that. The " prophet" and the person seeking the fortune telling
The best answer is that the prophecy would never go against the Bible's teachings
My sister and I used to be part of a church like this and I can tell it's spiritual abuse just as you said. I was visiting and my sister was a full time member so she was abused more. We were made to believe that serving the pastor and his appointed shepherds was serving Jesus. The pastor would talk about his church in every sermon and how it was a good Godly family and that serving in his church and obeying the leaders would please God, but it was all to get the members to be hooked to the church and also willingly sew seeds. He made serving and please God look and feel easy, cause all you had to do was channel all your admiration, honour, faith and every good thing you had to give God for you being an awesome God, through him. He was very charismatic and would frequently guilt trip everyone into submission, talking about how he had helped many people and making his "appointed shepherds" and some of the old church members talk about what he had done for them during service. His messages were repeated over and over again and he would again guilt trip everyone into listening to his sermons daily. If you were able to quote him or repeat the things he said in his sermons, he would be impressed and everyone was trying to impress him, because that was all part of serving God apparently. Marrying out side of the church was basically illegal and he along with his appointed shepherds would control the dating scene in the church, pairing up whoever they felt would go together and if you didn't like the person you were paired with, well you were going against the will of God for your life. So many of the couples in the church clearly didn't love each other and the one couple that was genuine didn't get married because the pastor told them to. They were basically the devils in that church since their relationship clearly proved that the pastor didn't know best and wasn't really hearing from God when it came to relationships..well and basically everything else. Every sermon was some kind of damage control tool to silence members who had figured him out and to patch up the non-existent relationship between those he had put together. He would even talk about members personal issues(even their sex lives (and yes he knew that much. All couples were to report everything that happens in their lives to him.) through out sermons for some reason. He Frequently cheated on his wife with the church members, took luxurious trips with his shepherds and assistant pastors in the name of looking for a venue for a couples retreat, and did many other shady things all in the name of God. I felt quite stupid for following him and believing that he was a genuine man of God. But I've learned my lesson. Anytime I come across a man of God talking about himself more than about Jesus, my red flags go up. I'm not falling for that nonsense again and neither is my sister. She was abused more because she was a full time member and actually served in the church, but now she goes to a much better church where the pastor is always pointing to Jesus. I follow the new pastors ministry and I've noticed that after listening to his sermons all I think about is Jesus. Not the pastor and not the church.
Don't think this happens in pentecostal type churches. Anytime we give a man too much power , corruption steps in. My husband and I have been watching a very slow downward progression, as the church members are becoming enslaved to the pastor instead of servants of Jesus Christ. We now have a "professional development " class which deacons and leaders are expected to attend. Return on investment is what now drives their decisions. Ordinary people are ignored. My husband and I step in quietly to meet the needs. We try to ignore the nonsense, but the reality is at some point we will need to leave. There are lots of messages about serving the Lord, but very few on witnessing. Lots on stewardship-but no other ministry is reputable and the tithe only belongs to the local church.This is how we are able to raise $ 40,000 to send the pastor on the trip of his dreams- a tour of England to advance his on the side business promoting the KJV. This just a few months after raising tens of thousands for a fesibility study, which anyone with half a brain could see, wouldn't work. My husband respects the pastor for his role and the help he has been to us over the years, but he''s made it quite clear that he serves the LORD not church leadership.
Don't tell me it's a church in Ghana
Sounds very much like the church I grew up in, in the former Soviet union Pentecostal, churches we’re doing the same thing, telling people who to marry, or telling people not to marry at all, because Jesus is their bride groom
I like how Mike noticed that most of the people in the crowd were women. We absolutely are more susceptible to deception since we are very emotional beings (while men tend to be more rational). We need more godly men to stand up against things like this that bring reproach to the name of Christ. Thank you Mike for your work and may the Lord bless you!
Also that christian women are less likely to challenge christian men, especially a pastor.
And there are more women in all churches.
Amen!!! Godly men, protect your women and children from this nonsense. We need you. ❤️
Respectfully, I don't believe this is biblically accurate, especially in Christ; women are not More easily deceived, rather Eve was deceived. Jesus said we have the same Spirit, and there is no male or female in Christ. When the Lord speaks about the weaker vessel, He is speaking physically.
Women were created for the glory of man.
Furthermore, Eve was not commanded by God directly, but through Adam, therefore it would make perfect sense that Satan went to Eve to deceive her. Especially because Adam and Eve were perfect up until that point, and did not have a sin nature. It's important to note that Adam was next to Eve at some point when she disobeyed. She made a decision apart from her husband, which is probably a more accurate depiction of our female nature and rebellion. They were one and in perfect fellowship as God designed.
I think we often try to reason why women should not lead men when the answer is very simple; God made a Patriarchy, an order to His Creation. Women are not to lead men because they are not the head; not because women are more easily deceived or intellectually inferior because that would disqualify women from leading other women and would make Pauls discipleship of other women in vain!
We are comparable to Christ and the Father when Jesus walked the earth. Just because Jesus could doesn't mean He acted through His divinity rather He submitted Himself completely to the Father because they were always in perfect union.
Jesus was always God and never set aside His divinity, but He humbled Himself when He became a man and did as the Father directed Him; and it was not because He wasn't capable. He completely relied upon the Father by choice.
Jesus created this order in the garden and that's just the way it is. I think that is a dangerous generalization and puts the emphasis on mankind rather than Christ.
Jesus says man is the head of woman, because that's how He created us; a husband is the head of his wife.
It also leaves room for abusive control and spiritual abuse; making women believe they are incomplete in Christ without a man. What about widows? Those who will not marry?
Women are the weaker vessel in the flesh and more prone to emotionality, but that does not equate women being intellectually inferior. I know many women who are rational and self controlled more than the average person by nature, how God created their personalities, therefore in Christ they display such an almost impossible fruit of the Spirit. It's a sight to witness.
This sort of belief just defies the gospel and makes man the mediator rather than Christ.
Also Human behavior is not measured this way, and scripture does not state that women are more easily deceived, rather women are more prone to make decisions apart from the head; independence.
Maybe I am missing something, and I would be happy to receive correction. I just do not see this in scripture rather in fundamentalism.
Amen sister!
I think this is true. Even in secular circles, women are at the forefront of being deceived by the sway of talkshow hosts. Not that men are better, there are other areas where they are more susceptible but in this regard, I think you are correct
I was taken to events like this as a child. It left me confused and afraid of God and the spirit realm.
I’m so sorry to hear that.
I’m so sorry, dear one. May you find the peace and love of our true Jesus in his Word. 💔
@@Weissguys6 I have indeed. This video just reminded me of how scary this can be for kids.
I was fortunate to have spent my formative Christian years in a church that taught the bible line by line. I only ever visited a pentacostal church later on after having formed a spiritual foundation. I'm sorry for your experience, and I hope that you will come to understand the Lord and His word better through legitimate teaching.
@@SherrellMooreTucker I too had the same experiences when I was a child. I am 42 now and still remember these services and how they scared me as a young girl, I had nightmares and would get terrified by these services. It took me over 30 years to admit this to my mother. I’m Adventist now….no more of this nonsense.
This is an example of pure narcissistic abuse in the church .
The complete opposite of everything Jesus stands for
My heart absolutely breaks for these people - you can sense the fear in them ! Everyone walking on eggshells
Thank you so much for exposing this Mike
I actually had an experience like this years ago as a new Christian where I did not agree with the “prophet” when he said I had visions. Thank God the Holy Spirit revealed truth to me and I didn’t get sucked in to this false Christianity. Just Jesus for me nothing else!
What this this alleged spirit specifically tell you?
Just because of one experience with a false prophet doesn't negate the true ones.
I met a true prophet once, and he prophesied everything correctly...I didn't give him any hints, I just said yes or no .. and he spoke of my past, and then my present and then my future. And everything he said, including the prophecies about my future were correct.
Just don't judge someone based on your past experiences...as they say don't judge a book by it's cover
Thanks you I think I’m going thru the same too .
One word:
Indignation 😡
One condition:
Disgusted 🤮
One grieved:
The Spirit of God 😔
"This however, is the counterfeit that makes the real thing look bad"
You nailed it right on its head brother!
So true, I do believe God does speak to his people, through his words of the bible...
Love this. And I'm also from West Africa (Liberia). Someone said in the comments and I'll say it again, Mike Winger and others like him are my favorite online pastors: Christ-honoring, Bible-believing, truth-telling, uncompromising, humble, consistent, relatable.....Pastor Mike, I pray your messages reach all 8 billion of us on this planet so no one will have the excuse of not hearing the true Gospel of Jesus Christ. I also pray your success in ministry never gets to your head. By your demeanor, I don't think it ever will - but you never know.
We all need to pray that we don't get puffed up because we have the truth. We should pray for ourselves just as much as the lost so that we don't fall into temptation.
Is there not demon possession going on in your country???
Is he from west Africa? What country?
I always love when you post content randomly! 10 minutes in and this makes me angry...but grieves my heart even more. God bless you & your ministry!!
Forgive, for he knows not what he does. Forgiveness ends anger. It allows us to teach people to let go of their anger. Only forgiving people are good teachers and happy people.
You lasted longer than me. The pastor shoving a mic in that boy’s face and wondering if that kid will escape these damaging doctrines…
Same here, chick! I’m so upset & saddened by this. I’m glad Mike is EXPOSING it, though! I hope tons of people get to watch this.
Frustrating! Fake!!!! False!!! Matthew 7:15
Robert Douglas,
I fear that the “prophet“ knows exactly what he’s doing. He is a lying thief scamming gullible people.
That is in no way Christian!
I left a church that wore the pretense of being so "spiritual" and in touch with God. And yet, the pastor deliberately and knowingly made every effort to avoid contact with me, one on one when the opportunity presented itself for him to "love not in word only, but in deed and truth" by engaging me in simple, friendly conversation for a few moments. In those moments following the rejection,, God spoke to my heart and said "you are always welcome in My house" when I was alone and hurting as I sat in my vehicle on the church parking lot, in the process of leaving the worship service.
It just shows me the falseness and hypocrisy of so called spiritual people. Not all, but some.
"Its hard not to laugh, or cry, or punch a wall" hahaha, well said. On a serious note, I find your teaching very beneficial.
As a Christian pastor/teacher this is both grieving and infuriating me. Lord have mercy on those who follow this false profit (intentional misspelling).
Call at 716
One question, are you healing people and casting demons out through The Lords name and giving glory to Jesus? I think a pastor can have these gifts. If you’re not, then why aren’t you doing it? People are using these things as an excuse to teach that God can’t heal nor set people free.
Ya I feel both sadness/grief and extreme anger - I want to run in and stop him.
I see what ya did there. Smart move.
@@reedemed_caleb I do those things, but I don't point people to myself, but to the Lord Jesus.
I pray that Amoa will see through this and use it to become a true leader.
I feel sorry for the guy being abused and i hope a real christian reaches out to him.
Yeah. I was thinking the same thing.
Yeah im praying for the same thing for myself. Someone that isn't manipulating me, gaslighting me, denying my reality, discouraging me, isolating me from any and all non-manipulative/non-gaslight individuals that know anything about the psychological abuse and denial of truths and reality...they won't even acknowledge that they are gaslighting me... I pray that Jesus sends information or a person who won't gaslight me. I need help so bad but no one cares
You know what else is odd about this meeting is how God is sovereign over everything and delivers them from everything, except coronavirus apparently. Are the masks "annointed"???
@@dancinina4592 You can ignore all these religious scammers. Yahweh never existed any more than Baal, Asherah, Chemosh, Marduk, Dagon or any of the other gods mentioned in the Bible. It is nothing but a bunch of mythological nonsense written by primitive people. These pastors and youtubers want your tithes and offerings, buy their books explaining this nonexistent deity, and watch and subscribe to their channels for their own benefit.
@@paulallen7962
Did Jesus exist according to you?
It's actually quite impressive that someone can say so much and be saying absolutely nothing! 🤦🏾♂️
FREDERICKSBURG!!
Lol 😆 lol 😆 hilarious and sad
@@keithjackson4985 NOTHING funny about ANYBODY BEING DECEIVED or The DECEIVER HIMSELF. Because ain't NOTHING funny about being lead off into hell....PERIODT 🙅🏽♀️
@@varroz6926 His appearance, is funny. I said it was. Get it.
Every single evangelical church service ever
my heart felt broken, when the young man said "i have a spirit of confusion", all he needed was some private fasting maybe, close faithful christian friends, maybe professional therapy depending on his real condition and Bible verses:
"God is not the author of confusion..."
"God has not given us the spirit of fear but a spirit of a sound mind..."
And a loving warm-hearted relationship with Jesus!
Of course he has a spirit of confusion .. he’s among this bunch. It’s pitiful
Who wouldn't be confused if a man was screaming questions or things that arent true about you.
My heart also went out to Amoa.. He was so intimidated by that guy.. however, he was compelled to participate as he did not want to be handed over to Satan.. that is spiritual abuse and much more.
This guy invokes anxiety within me. I could never be in the same room with this insanity. It’s hard to believe people fall for this theatrical nonsense.
Lynn F. It may be theatrical nonsense, but it could be far darker than just theatrics
Because they're hungry and they're needy and want magical answers. They want a vending machine God and these types of prophets provide it. Or at least the illusion of it.
Amen to that. This charade is awful, and makes me feel anxious and nauseous…
Then he would tell you your anxiety is from the demonic and you must be set free!
I have anxiety disorder and that lie irks me to no end.
I used to go to services like these. I always went away feeling anxious and like something was wrong with me. Like I wasn’t a good Christian because I just couldn’t really fall for it. Thankfully I started getting more grounded in the Word and stay far away from the “prophets” I used to follow.
As a Nigerian. I approve this message. Too many spiritual abusers exist here.
How did this Prophet Prophecy about my Mothers miscarriage
So right..
@@honeycomb4286 He is not of God and another spirit can give you information.
I've heard, in Kenya
There are stronger churches
Independent Baptist who push reading bible
I didn't have spiritual abuse like this. But I was said my faith is not enough, I have to increase my faith, I had to take one step forward, "the lord said" something vague, not clear enough for me to understand what exactly God wants me to do. When I went home I only felt worse, more pressure, anxiety I can't explain how terrible it was.
This is so sad, and hard to watch. I pray these people leave this abuse.
I grew up in a Pentecostal church. Saw a lot of stuff over the years. I believe God can move in miraculous ways, but not when played out like this. The enemy can and will mimic the authentic. You made some fantastic points here. Hopefully someone will be delivered by watching it.
My mama was raised in a Pentecostal church, my daddy was raised in the Baptist faith. He insisted we all go to a Baptist church, so we only went to the pentecostal church a few times when my granny would invite us. All i remember is being a little kid and me and my cousin sitting there and everyone in the church was standing and crying loudly and a couple were even talking funny. So me and my cousin were only about 6/7 yrs old and i looked at her and whispered "why are we the only ones not crying?" And we giggled . We couldn't understand this. I was never afraid of any of it, because the people there truly were the nicest people and they believed in helping each other and others. And i loved my granny of course. But, i stuck with my baptist church more because it always felt like that. It felt really awkward being the only one not yelling, crying, etc. Now I'm sort of non denominational i guess, since idk where i really fit in. But still saved and still know Jesus saved me.
ALSO..in book of Acts, there are dispensations.
In the beginning of Paul's ministry, he was able to heal
Later, he couldn't even heal Timothy stomach problem
“I will only minister to this side.” I think I left a church over that phrase before.
That was beyond sad and disturbing. You can see the fear in that kids eyes. The screaming and mob mentality made me cringe.
Praying he leaves that “church.”
Thank you for this video Mike! I spent a large part of my childhood in churches like this. I knew something wasn't right. I would ask about things and be told I have demons or a religious spirit on me. But God was louder than them, and I left. Happy to be part of very genuine, humble and down to earth church. I pray that others would be given the same discernment.
I had a similar experience you had and now I go to a small Bible preaching humble church. God is faithful.
Praise God that you were able to walk away from that experience with your faith in Jesus intact.
Amazing you left! When I was first saved, I too was invited to a church very similar to this but worse: the "pastor" was a woman. 🤦🏻♀️
But then I started actually reading my Bible!
If only more Christians just faithfully read scripture and prayed for wisdom, they too would discover freedom out of these false churches!
All one needs to do is READ HEBREWS!
_“Long ago, at many times and in many ways, God spoke to our fathers by the prophets, _*_but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son,_*_ whom he appointed the heir of all things, through whom also he created the world.”_
Hebrews 1:1-2 ESV
As a former new-ager, these "peacocks" are like "psychics," and are far from what a real contemporary prophet should look like today: simply pastors/preachers who preach Christ/the Word of God/Scripture/the Bible.
*That's it!*
All that "P" alliteration helps to remember this easy discernment of someone who claims they "have a word from the Lord for you," and why I can call myself a cessationist while _also_ believing in prophecy.
Because the "prophecy" I believe in is the Word of God, not this extra-biblical garbage.
@@jessitabonita so true thanks for saying this. I believe in deliverance that people practice now, although there are people who just do it for money, But in my experience, if I did have demonic influence before I was saved it went away with a prayer and me truly accepting Christ and repenting. I’ve seen people pay money for this which is very dubious. I listened to a baptist preacher in California preach against this and I was kinda on the fence although I do know there is spiritual abuse from this because of evil intentions.
My mom did that to me to control me and she would try and convince me I had demons… blamed me for demonic stuff in house when she was the one I found out was involved in the Occult and witchcraft all while I got saved and was reading my Bible.
It got hard but glad I escaped when I did…
Truly spiritual abuse
13:04 is where this broke my heart.
I felt the fear, as the victim panicked and replied "No.." after being told that the devil would take him that day.
That is just evil!
I agree. Hard to watch
Ed citronella is a good prophet a matter of fact great, You're the one who's a fake
So true..
This guy gave me chills and not in a good way. This is absolutely unsettling.
Very unsettling
He gets alot of money by doing all this. You should see his posts.
How God Almighty doesn’t just strike some of these people down just shows how long-suffering and wonderful his mercy is and yes I agree this is absolutely heartbreaking for the people involved
I say this all the time ..it literally shows how YAHUAH his merciful and as you stated long -suffering ..you can see how God’s wrath is righteous when you see how patient and forgiving he his. But God will not tolerate a consistency of willful disobedience and manipulating his word .
We are in the period of mercy and grace… when the judgement come and the tribulation… I think that grace period will be coming to a close.
Eventually His mercy and grace will only be eternal for those who chose Him and serve Him
Spot on!
Count yourself in. You're not an angel either. So thank God that he didn't strike you down. Everyone of is guilty before God.
"When you see me you see glory" at that moment when he said that, I would've turned around and walk out the door and not let it hit me on the way out.
I wish most African churches would see this. Thank you for this message.
Sadly. Same with Hispanic churches.
99% of them have the same model - so sad
This type of spiritual abuse is demonic and right out of the pit of Hell. Pure evil. This give me righteous indignation.
It's demonic and stupid. And the shouting makes it more stupid.
Please let’s all pray for this young man that is being torn apart. This is heartbreaking.
Handled with much grace. We checked this guy out last night after seeing your Facebook post. My husband couldn’t get through four minutes without sobbing. I found myself after two minutes trying to get farther and farther from the computer. It is so grievous. I don’t know how you managed to watch it all.
Thanks for doing this, Mike. I lived under this type of mess for several years as a new Christian. I would, however, like to point out to viewers that this is an overt example of spiritual abuse. There is covert spiritual abuse that is just as egregious that takes place in churches where never a tongue is spoken nor a prophecy given. It uses the same dynamics - gaslighting, groupthink, and authoritarianism - but it is done through peer pressure and church politics. It is more subtle but much more prevalent.
They are all scammers, Yahweh never existed any more than Baal, Asherah, Chemosh, Marduk, Dagon, Moloch, or any of the other gods mentioned in the Bible.
@@paulallen7962 verify your claims.
@@lavenderflowers1075 I wish it were that easy to undo religious brain washing. There are currently 3 billion Muslims and Hindus in the world that prove people will believe anything. It requires a great deal of thought, reading and studying the OT, and education about older myths to see it as the primitive superstitious nonsense it really is. In my experience, most people are unwilling to do these things.
So true!
T H I S!!!
When I realized this sort of stuff was going on at a church I used to go to I was like “I’ve got to get OUT of here. NOW”
What shameful displays, hard to watch this without physically cringing away from the screen.
The wisdom from above is first of all pure, peaceable , gentle, wow anything but here
This is so sad…. Breaks my heart to see this, that awful man. I pray and hope that the young man runs from this and never looks back and that God leads him back to himself away from cults
This is hard to watch especially as a charismatic (with a seatbelt, The Bible). Many of my reformed brothers and sisters will look at this as a reason that the gifts have ceased or that demons no longer need to be cast out, or that God does not heal through the prayers of his children. It was a good video, thanks for sharing! :)
Yes and the knee-jerk reaction of no spiritual gifts is now hurting the Western Church!!
I agree
Amoah is an incredibly common west African last name. Ghana in particular - my dad grew up there. It’s like asking someone called O’Kelly who in their family is from Ireland.
I appreciate what you are doing. A biblical breakdown of all thing is great.
This is a surprising video, but definitely not unwanted! God bless you, Pastor Mike :)
The deep loud breathing in is also for effect. It raises the heart rate of everyone in the room, with out people realizing it's anxiety not the Spirit of God. It also wraps the "prophet" in the idea of how hard he's laboring for God. It's all a show.
😂😂😂 never thought about it like that. Makes sense though. These so called prophets are just attention seekers.
Absolutely
I think the part of this video that made me the saddest was when Mike said, "This is not normal," and I thought back to my childhood and the churches we went to and how this was made to *seem* normal by nearly all of them.
...That was hard to digest. But it also explains why I felt weird attending those places.
Thank you for exposing spiritual abusers like this. These practices are so evil. They are crushing for babes in Christ who trust every voice in the pulpit 😥😰💔
THANK YOU, for addressing this issue!
Jesus warned us several times, NOT to be deceived. I find that it helps me to question the motive of a teaching, to see if it's godly or not. If the motive is selfish, then it's not godly/righteous.
Thanks for sharing your wisdom with us, Pastor Mike. ❤🙏😊
I love you Pastor Mike and team!!! ❤❤❤❤
I’m 13 minutes in and I can’t believe the abuse. “The devil will take you”?? So sorry for God’s children.
This is a more serious example of violating "You shall not use The Lord, your God's name in vain". Thanks for making this video Mike, discernment is very important :)
I'm SO glad I watched this video tonight: I forgot to take my antibiotics until I got to the part where he asked him about his medicine!
😅😅😅
What medicine? 😮
lol
This is so scary. My heartbreaks for all those wounded hearts that are searching, but ending up with deceitful individuals.
*" I will spit you out of my mouth"* comes to mind, I had a bad experience with the church in Seattle that this reminds me of, it's really sad I guess we need to pray up on things.
Thank you Mike for feeding God's flock God bless you your loved ones and the body of Christ.
"So no man shall boast" ALL GLORY TO GOD! 🙏🙏🙏 THANK U FOR ALL U DO CALLING OUT THE RISE IN FALSE TEACHERS❤❤
This man has taken cue from Nigerian “Pastors”. The choice of words, incantations,tying your family name to a tree, witches meeting on a tree. These are usually talking points for Nigerian “Pastors” trying to break you from “generational curses”. They usually take ideas from the practices of the Yoruba religion.
He could have easily guessed he was from Ghana. I’m not Ghanian, but grew up around a lot of Ghanaians that I can tell a Ghanian name from a mile away. Using that as some sort of prophetic moment is truly just pathetic.
This is type of rubbish is so rampant in Nigeria now, it’s puzzling. Most Nigerian “churches” preach the prosperity gospel and spread the word of faith movement and very few actually preach the true gospel. It is the “mainstream” gospel and people who hold to true Orthodox Christianity and its doctrines, are seen as being “Holier than Thou” and they will quote “touch not the Lord’s anointed” to them more times than you can count.
This is truly so sad 😞.
Truly sad. Nigerian here and everything you said is true.
As a Nigerian myself, I regret to confirm that you're right. This is truly a plague here.
@@mobolajiade-aina8643 I would be interested to know if you include Arome Osayi in that category? My girlfriend is obsessed with him,
Yup some people mix paganism with Christianity. It’s really sad. Even in my parent’s country this is the case. Others are real Bible believers
When you get rid of generational curses you don’t use witchcraft to fight witchcraft
@@crb2061 I'm not really familiar with him or his teachings,so I can't say
At 21:00 you hit the nail on the head and said something that I have tried and failed to say the right way for years. Every time family members are "oh this guy or that guy" or "you have to come see so and so" I always have tried to explain that it doesn't really matter to me who the pastor is. I can like a pastor, but I don't follow them. I'm not baptized or saved or blessed in the name of pastors. It bugged me that I could never think of it the way you explained it. But that's exactly how it is.
1 Corinthians 1:10-17 is pretty applicable here. Paul says that everyone keeps going around saying "I follow Paul," "I follow Apollos," etc, and that they are very foolish for doing that, because Paul himself doesn't want them following him, but Jesus.
Thank you so much for sharing this with believers. I was a part of a church like this for 8 years. Thank God He set me free. 🙌🏾
This is embarrassing and I feel sorry for this guy. If he doesn't see the errand of what he's doing before it's too late, there is a place waiting for him. I never heard of this false teacher and I humbly pray for those who attend his "church" to recognize his false teaching, and run, not walk, away.
Sadly he is not alone, I've come across this multiple times in the last 30 years, more so at the beginning of my walk with God before I learned to avoid such things.
You feel sorry for someone that willingly leads people to hell?
@@turtleneckferret yes, because the worst parts of hell are reserved for them. May they repent of their wrong doings
This video is disturbing on so many different levels. Really appreciate you sharing it Pastor Mike.
Yes. This is what spiritual abuse looks like, but most often it is much more subtle.
It took me many years to understand that everything I read and hear must be tested by God’s word. That changed everything for me.
Amen
I hear you there Vicki. After awhile as you know the Scriptures you really don’t have to even spend your time testing. It’s like counterfeit money. You don’t need to know all the fake bills. Just know the genuine and it’s easy to spot the fake. Once you know Jesus and his grace and mercy, this stuff just looks as ugly and deceitful as it is. If Gods not big enough to speak to me directly, if he has something to say to me, he’s not much of a god. I say that not looking or even considering if he has something to say. He has spoken to me through his son. I can never be grateful enough for his word.
Shalom
@@MrPawPaw Hey Gregory. The fake money is a good analogy. We are both blessed to know God🌾
@@MrPawPaw The absolute irony when Christians can't even tell one God from three or God from man. You are the counterfeit money.
@@youknowitstrue3826 so says the guy outside of the family. Lol. It's OK, I didn't always believe. I mocked and ridiculed Christ. And then even after I believed I turned my back on him. The love of God to save sinners through Christ Jesus is beyond my natural mindset. May the Holy Spirit open the eyes of your understanding to comprehend His love and grace and mercy. There's nothing better my friend than having peace with God. But we do it His way or we stay outside the family. Don't hesitate to long though, the days get shorter and shorter.
Shalom
This is Narcissistic Gaslighting in full swing! I have a great concern how many “powerful” spiritual leaders suffer from mental illness (in most cases narcissism) but it is “covered” by words like anointing or gifting etc. it would be an interesting discussion to have about the influence of mental illness in spiritual abuse.
Right on 💯
This is so scary and sad that this goes on. 🙄 Thank you for this message.
I came from a spiritually abusive church like this, they said doctors were for people without faith and watched me die of cancer without treatment. It’s prevalent in Africa but it’s here in America too. No words can describe the devastation this evil sham causes
Do you know the name of the group?
You died of cancer? Did you get better?
@@crb2061 I had cachexia when the body shuts down to prepare to die. I know what it physically feels like to die, and according to my medical records, should not be alive. I got better but still have cancer after many failed treatments
@@kristinamedinaagee3452 oh wow. I'm glad you are ok. It can be pernicious that religious leaders warn against life saving medical treatments. Medicine, including medications and surgery can be quite risky and should be avoided when possible, but sometime the benefit (staying alive) outweighs the risk. However we should also be wary of being too afraid of death. It is a fate no one can avoid after all.
at 13:08 when the young guy said no in almost a scared tone, made me tear up. to think this was his presentation of Christ.. 💔
I had a service where a so-called prophet and “prophesied”. I’m glad that I didn’t fall for the tricks like in this service but I do pray that my brothers and sisters will recognize that not every prophet we come across is true. And I pray for my church that has allowed this kind of spiritual abuse to repent and heal from this horrible situation.
"It's hard not to laugh. It's laugh or cry or punch a wall. Those are the options."
This is by far the most iconic thing Mike has ever said.🤣🤣
I’m glad I’m not the only who found this hilarious. This had me rolling 💀😂😂😂
I said I was going to remember that quote. 😅😅😅
Praying the Lord will deliver his children from these “churches.” This is so difficult to watch, hard to understand how people get sucked into this, but sometimes it’s just a lack of knowledge of the truth. Which is why we who love Christ and the truth of Scripture must be vocal! How beautiful are the feet of them that bring good news! 🥰
Thank you SO much for making this review...it had to be said!
Honestly, this is what I have been dealing with for the past year now. My family is convinced that people like this are from God, but when I line up scriptures with these types of people it’s holes.
I am 16 years old and I know what God wants me to do; He wants to use me to clear this illusion . Although I am afraid of being rejected from my family and becoming an outcast.
I know Christianity is about being rejected from this world and following God. But as of now, I am struggling to pick up my cross. Please pray for me🙏
I will pray for you, Jeremiah. I pray God will use you, just like your namesake. Remember that your family is in spiritual danger, and you are in a position where you can help them. Don’t take the responsibility all on yourself… just do your duty, pray, and trust God.
“And everyone who has left houses or brothers or sisters or father or mother or children or farms for My name’s sake, will receive many times as much, and will inherit eternal life” (Matthew 19:29).
“Whoever loves father or mother more than me is not worthy of me, and whoever loves son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. And whoever does not take his cross and follow me is not worthy of me. Whoever finds his life will lose it, and whoever loses his life for my sake will find it” (Matthew 10:37-39).
Jeremiah I will also be praying for you.
The Lord will keep you and equip you. He will be your comforter and prepare a table for you in the presence of your enemies.
He will never abandon or forsake you.
He will go on to continue every good work he has begun within you.
You lose nothing by obeying the Lord. You will gain everything. So do it. Praying for courage on your behalf.
Honestly, I’ve been feeling the same way about this but in particular it’s my mom. She’s really into the charismatic movement (Ed, Vlad, Isaac, Jesse, Kevin, etc.) and has been talking about weird stuff that I used to just accept and fear about when I was a kid. (Demon possession instead of just my sin filled fleshy desires that we struggle with, honestly it’s kinda of a lazy way to blame everything and every sin on these principalities) When the new year came around I really committed to reading my Bible (and I mean REALLY) and have been getting new revelations about this way of thinking. The funny thing I found out was none of this lined up biblically…it’s so messed up how these people are leading their “(lost Christians) followers” away from the true Bible and true doctrine. Honestly I see it as a huge money grab and a disservice for people who are actually struggling.
Oof you are bold, I'm 31 and I'm trying to do the same thing, I'm so glad I'm not married because I've been slowly breaking away, and throughout my life I've been reading what was contrary to prosperity gospel Preaching, so I've always been skeptical and I've never spoken in fake tongues or falsely fallen under annointing. but only last year did I start redeveloping divine hatred for this stuff.
Now, after seeing how deeply entrenched my family is and someone saying it took their family 22 years to get out, I'm imagining having to pull my family, a husband my own kids, his own family etc out of this crap. Cos I might have ended up meeting "a man of God" in one of these gatherings. I didn't choose which family I was born in but thank God I'm delivered before even my chosen family is riddled with this poison. For that is what this bastardisation of the gospel is. Poison. It poisons how you raise kids, what you tell them in times of suffering, this video but majority of the 365 days of your life. The children will grow up thinking their parents and the "godly" authorities in these gatherings is what God is like.
Pastor Mike, when that man said “what medication?” I about fell out! Thank you for sharing, thank you for your wisdom, thank you for your commentary and once again helping us think biblically about dad situations like this.
It would make the perfect meme! 😄😄
@@jacqjacq5920 oh yes lol in my deebo voice
This just makes me realize how privileged I grew up being grounded in the word and having Biblical mentors in my life. This was always obvious lunacy to me. But I understand these people just don’t know any better….
I've been in churches similar to this most of my life, growing up in Zimbabwe then moving to the UK and having similar experience. Only in the last few years have I been seeking more expository churches. The Bible is more than enough.
Expository preaching is best..going THRU the Bible..
Many of those type of churches tend to be independent Baptist types..but not all are baptist
The spiritual manipulation of these people infuriates me! Thank you for this video!
11:37 you stated you believe they indeed think they are led by God. I appreciate you saying this. That reality is what let me actually feel pity for the one that perpetrated spiritual lording over the congregation I was in. I had to leave, but I didn't doubt his sincerity or "commitment" to the "truth" he held. Which just magnifies the simple mystery of how we can be "in the word" for many many years and still slip into such a mindset. Sobering reality. I greatly appreciate your ministry. I'd not learned of you till after leaving that context. You've been a reasoned voice in the waters of pain and confusion.
I’m thankful that you’re showing this and explaining what is taking place.
That being said, because I have experienced spiritual abuse, I feel sick to my stomach and my heart is breaking for these innocent people. 😢
so I can’t watch anymore right now-wow the emotions just come flooding back so clearly.
Thank you, God please protect people who are trying to find you.
"Don't go messing up the flow." Sounds a lot like... "Touch not the Lord's anointed" being taken out of context with different words.
Meaning like you depicting the scenario with that phrase reminded me of that other thing.
Thank you Mike Winger for your great and blessed work for the kingdom of God!
I feel bad for the people at this church. Pray they find truth.
Thanks for this video @Mike Winger. Unfortunately this kind of abuse is commonplace in many African churches. I was personally part of this type of church a few years ago but God opened my eyes to see the deception and abuse that was taking place there.
They learned it from American churches!😢😢😢
I don’t EVER comment on videos but it breaks my heart to watch/hear people being criticized without ever having met them or had a conversation with them or have gone to their church. I was invited to this church by a friend and went 2x and met this man in person.
Although his preaching style was very different than what I am used to, I totally disagree with the ASSUMED narrative given in this video. Ed is not mad, and he is not bullying, this is his preaching style. I personally know people that he has prayed and prophesied over and got free by God through Ed using this same method.
I’m not sure how this isn’t biblical Christianity since Jesus himself say said that THESE signs will follow those that believe: in My name they will cast out demons; they will speak with new tongues; they will take up serpents; and if they drink anything deadly it will not harm them; they will lay hands on the sick and they WILL recover.
I went to church where we sang songs and heard a “biblically sound” message for years and never got free. I visited Ed’s church in NY 2x (no seating assignments by the way) and he told me all about out a demonic attack that was on my life that tormented me for over a decade and no one knew how much pain and torment I was in. Ed called it out and Prayed for me (in a very similar way to how he did in this video and it was after service NO CAMERAS OR CROWD)and I was totally delivered that day from a spirit of suicide. It has been almost 3 years and I have NEVER even had a single thought of suicide ever since!
I have so much more I would like to say in response to this video. But I wanted to just share my testimony and remind others that just because it’s not the way we would do it doesn’t necessarily mean it’s wrong. Yes, he has a congregation that comes every week and pays tithes just like every other church in America. In the account of Jesus casting out the spirit in the young boy in Mark 9 it says “after crying out and throwing him into convulsions it came out of him” and when John told Jesus that they tried to prevent someone who was casting out demons in Jesus’ name because he was “not following US” Jesus replied …”do not hinder him….whoever is not against us is for us.”
Marks long ending is not really there.
Then you can raise the dead drink poison serpents ect not just one thing
This is blatant sin in the name of our Holy God! Absolute self-serving, ridiculous insanity! If you think this is Biblical or Godly in any form, you are apparently still being deceived! So wrong and definitely NOT normal!!! 😮😢
He's very dynamic. That can be attractive to people. The deception is obvious to those of us in traditional Christianity, but those swept away by it need our prayers.
Thank you Ps Mike for exposing this kind of deception... Felt sad why some people allowing themselves to be deceived!
Is it more moral to tell someone they are being deceived or not? This is something I struggle with.
@@paulallen7962 it should be done prayerfully, humbly, with Scriptural foundation, and in love, but yes, we should warn others who say they are Christians but follow these kinds of men.
@@triciaburcell3241 That makes sense, thank you!
@@paulallen7962 as believer I believe we have moral responsibility to let them know they are in bad company, God has called us to be the salt and light of the earth, (Mt 5:13) . Both to speak the truth and living with that truth. But of course they always have their choices not forcing them to believe what we believe. If we win them praise the Lord, if not still thanking God for giving you the courage to tell them the truth.
As an Assemblies of God Pastor for 22 years.....thank you for this video....though it is painful, to keep seeing all these....cult-of-personality leaders....it really makes people shy to real miracles...God still heals, and delivers....seen many in those 22 years.....Don't let false teachers discourage you....This is only going to get worse until the Lord returns....falling away and false teachers....
Ooh pastor Mike,this is common here in Africa....This style of doing church is now mainstream.We see this daily and has become acceptable as the norm.Anyone who feels contrary,is branded a rebel or opposer of God's work. Ed was groomed and continues to be mentored by a false prophet in Africa called Jeremiah Omotoh....Then he imported what he learned to the U.S.This commentary is very helpful
Hey fellow "countryman"🇰🇪. Indeed this is very sad to see as it's very rampant here.
Rev Lucy Natasha was also with them in Nigeria and at Ed church in New york.
We should expose this charlatans.
I've seen this kind of thing word for word in South Africa too. I actually thought it was in South Africa with all the Indian folk there 🤣.
This is my story ! I was ridiculed in my former church ( an African initiated church in Belgium). But... the Lord is in control. There still IS a remnant ! God be praised.
This makes me cry! I want to find that young man and TRULY pray with him and introduce him to the REAL Jesus. I will be praying for him and for God to convict Ed
Amen
♥️I agree 😭 Heart breaking
A faith healer came to our Vineyard church when I was a teen, and he tried to push me down to be “slain in the spirit,” but I stayed up and it made him mad. After the service I never once heard the name of Jesus, just the healer being praised and glorified be everyone. To me, that was the biggest sign that this man was a false healer, and I left that church.
That poor, poor young man Amoa. My heart is broken over his abuse by this man. May Jesus reveal Himself to him personally and grant him true peace. 🙏
Amen Karen, I agree in Jesus Name
I agree in Jesus' name. Amen