This is what spiritual abuse looks like.
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- Ed's 4 hour long church service which this clip came from. The clip I used starts at 30 minutes in. - • PROPHETIC MIRROR SERVI...
You may think I've picked the worst example of Ed's behavior but I really haven't. Ed can be seen doing all manner of far stranger and more extreme things in other videos. I chose this example to offer an analysis of how to identify this kind of spiritual abuse in an effort to help people caught up in it to do two things. First, to get out from under the control of dangerous leaders. Second, to realize that those bad leaders do not represent true Christianity so that people who've been burned by them won't turn away from Christ, the perfectly humble leader, as a result.
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I saw him in Toronto, and he asked me if I wanted a word and I said "Yeah", I guess I wasn't hyped and excited enough like everyone else. So he kissed his teeth and said "Ugh you're not serious" and fanned me off. Immediately after a lady tapped me and said "You have to yell and scream and be very excited for him to share a word with you." That was the dumbest thing I've ever heard. I get a word every moment I open my bible! GOODBYE!
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Right
Did you know anything about this guy before you went there?
The first time I saw him, I knew he's extremely dangerous, controlling and self-aggrandizing.
Amen. God will give a word when it's His Word no matter your facial expression. He looks at the heart.
His maternal grandmother was a high priestess in the Caribbean occult called Santaria. Exposed to the spirits from early childhood. He has deep roots and needs deliverance. He puts on the charm, tries to control people, says horrible accusations. This narcissism, spiritual abuse and self-aggrandizing top the ranks of murderous men, corporate heads and televangelists.
The sad thing is as a Christian therapist who specializes in trauma, many who grew up in this don’t want anything to do with Jesus if they were able to escape this abuse! I work in SoFlo and God has brought many spiritually, emotionally and physically abused souls to my practice. It’s a battle but Jesus holds the victory and is the Wonderful Counselor. Please pray for me as I continue to walk by faith and not by sight while trying to help these hurting souls. 🙏🏽❤️✝️👣🌄
Do you do zoom sessions with clients out of state?
@@tiffjody07 I only hold a license in the state of Florida. In the future when the counseling compact finalizes and if your state is part of it then maybe
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SoFlo as in South Florida?
@@RyanSchulz7777 Yeppers
Christian therapist. What is that?.. counseling good and trusting folks after being traumatized by religion?..
Sincere question
"This however, is the counterfeit that makes the real thing look bad"
You nailed it right on its head brother!
I don’t know whether to laugh, cry or be angry. Sad sad sad.
My heart breaks for anyone who cannot immediately tell that this is spiritual abuse.
I used to think that I was crazy for thinking that I’m being spiritually abused when my parents take me to these meetings. And yes I feel sorry for my family and church were not able to see that this is spiritual abuse because this is all they’ve ever known.
@@anjuphiliphs3617 same for my husbands family. ♥️🙏🏽
It's because they're not reading their Bibles!
All one needs to do is READ HEBREWS!
_“Long ago, at many times and in many ways, God spoke to our fathers by the prophets, _*_but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son,_*_ whom he appointed the heir of all things, through whom also he created the world.”_
Hebrews 1:1-2 ESV
As a former new-ager, these "peacocks" are like "psychics," and are far from what a real contemporary prophet should look like today: simply pastors/preachers who preach Christ/the Word of God/Scripture/the Bible.
*That's it!*
All that "P" alliteration helps to remember this easy discernment of someone who claims they "have a world from the Lord for you," and why I can call myself a cessationist while _also_ believing in prophecy.
Because the "prophecy" I believe in is the Word of God, not this extra-biblical garbage.
Many of them can't tell it's spiritual abuse because most of them are looking for their own benefice not God's I use to follow somelike that and my soul didn't sit well with it because he was always preaching the prosperity Gospel, you are God God will give etc. What really made me say that he is quate is that I ask God for discernment because I'm not in the prosperity Gospel and God just show how violent, unrestrained, always blaming others, lifting himself us by faking and trying to make you believe he is lifting God and every time he was preaching I will test the spirit and one more thing is that he will block people putting bad comments on his page and who were telling him to repent and he will say I can have many wives Solomon had many wives forgetting that we are leaving by grace not in the law and he will add when I gave my life to Christ he didn't convert every part of my body So when I see a beautiful woman I will fall. His poor wife God beat by him and died for nothing in the end today he lives free and with no guilt
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This is heartbreaking. I sat in a church like this for a decade plus. By God’s grace we have been delivered from spiritual abuse.
How old were you when you started attending? What was the initial draw for you (or, if you were a child, for your parents)? What was it like leaving, in terms of backlash and/or shunning from members and friends who remain(ed)?
@@tintinismybelgian I was in my early twenties when I started attending. Someone introduced me. I had emotional experiences that I believed were God. It was difficult to leave and there was backlash from the pulpit made in sly comments. Thankfully most of our friends kept in touch with us.
@@prvbs_31 That’s rare. Most folks are shunned for leaving. I’m glad you got out and are healing now. ♥️🙏🏽
@@jaquirox6579 I agree and have personally experienced it from others who left the church. We had strong relationships with many in the church.
damn 10+ years, that long?
I went to a bible institute that was very similar to this. Their were “healers” like this and crazy talking and yelling. I ran from there after my year was up. They were so awful saying i was running away from God and they were spreading rumors about me. It was so intense and pushed me away from God for years. Praise God for not giving up on me.
Study bible get people to just do bible study GOD use him for ur GLORY. AMEN
Church would do better if we stop doing church ? And just do bible study. For what it really says
@@donnaparks1919 You don't do church. The church is born-again believers.
This wasn’t by chance in Atlanta, was it?
Praise God! Glad that you're back, my sibling in Christ🙏
I am so scared for men like this, how God will punish those who abused his bride for personal gain is a scary thing, pride is such a scary sin.
It’s the ultimate sin . It’s one of the things I realized when I was saved . That rebirth God made very clear what pride is and how destructive it is . I think All sin is birthed from it in one way or the other
@@juanvaldez5422yes blaspheming the Holy Spirit is unforgivable. This guy is a demon.
This is why the best answer to any question a "prophet" asks you is, "you tell me".
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣Correct!
Lol. I did that during Sozo prayer and I knew they were listening to demons….
They said they saw God handing me a wand!
I separated and went No Contact with my family because of my mother and her narcissistic control and her occult and WITCHCRAFT she used while going to church and acting Christian!!
She even sat me down at 12 and told me my witchcraft lineage and I was the next “chosen one”.
NOPE… was already saved and went in and renounced that.
Now tell me why some Sozo prayer women came up with God handing me a “wand” if the Bible forbids witchcraft and my background?!
Who were they listening to???
So glad I read my Bible as a child and was a stronger Christian. I cant imagine the damage they have done to others… we approached our pastor (this was at our old church) and he would not listen and backed them up even after we presented the info to him!
Yeah if God told you, shouldn't you already know?
Yes and no, prophets are not fortune tellers, that is the problem when people use the ministry of prophecy as that. The " prophet" and the person seeking the fortune telling
The best answer is that the prophecy would never go against the Bible's teachings
I've been to services like this years ago when I first became a Christian in the UK. It was a powerful feeling during the meetings... but I always went away dissatisfied. Something always felt a bit wrong. I couldn't always put my finger on it. Experience and good theology eventually helped me.
@ladawg81 Thanks, Idawg81, but I'm already there. This was 30 years ago. I've been through the whole abuse thing and came out of it stronger. Part of the issue back then was that I was a novice Christian and didn't really know better. This sort of thing was on the edges of the Charismatic Movement, but it was where I was at while I assimilated what the Bible was saying. The whole 'slain in the Spirit' thing was common practice but I never found justification for it in the Bible and that is where my disillusionment with it started. Demon possession was also popular... and while there is Biblical precedent, what I saw almost never matched up the with Bible depictions. Thankfully as well as these mad actions, there were plenty of good teachers who taught the truth and I began to discern lots of bad things that happened in the name of 'God'.
Really this happens here in the UK? I thought it was just abroad
@@scottmullarkey4885 Yup, sadly. Sometimes it is people from abroad, but I can think of multiple cases where British leaders have done this sort of thing - maybe not every aspect of it. The Toronto Blessing in the 90's is an example of this that affected a lot of Charismatic churches, though thankfully many overcame their love of the 'experiences' and headed back to following Jesus.
I'm from UK I went to a prophet with my church it was similar to this but on a very small scale
For me visiting this type of church was a terrible experience. It only increased all of my doubts and made me think Christians had most likely brainwashed themselves.
I left a church that wore the pretense of being so "spiritual" and in touch with God. And yet, the pastor deliberately and knowingly made every effort to avoid contact with me, one on one when the opportunity presented itself for him to "love not in word only, but in deed and truth" by engaging me in simple, friendly conversation for a few moments. In those moments following the rejection,, God spoke to my heart and said "you are always welcome in My house" when I was alone and hurting as I sat in my vehicle on the church parking lot, in the process of leaving the worship service.
It just shows me the falseness and hypocrisy of so called spiritual people. Not all, but some.
I pray that Amoa will see through this and use it to become a true leader.
I’m half way through this video and I just have to comment. As a teenager growing up in a West African church, we have naturally been conditioned to believe that we are sinning or either going to hell when we challenge a “man of God.” They always use the statement from the Bible, “touch not my anointed” as a shadow of their deceit. I can understand how intimidated Amoa is and most likely, I would have been also, despite my knowledge of the word. This is why I’m skeptical of going to churches that are prophetic based.SMH!!!!
💯 right, this is the sort of thing me and my family grew up in. On another note, Ed sounds West African but I can't find where he's from anywhere! Do you happen to know?
If your church leaders refuse to reason with you about the Scriptures then run far far far away.
A big name prophestess uses the touch not line often. Manipulation is not becoming of anyone. I stopped following all of them online, there seems to be a nest if them that run in the same circle and defend each other. Such an ugly thing they are doing.
Bro I know your pain, it's wickedness of the highest order
Churches should not be run by prophets, even if they are truly anointed by God, they usually end up hurting people because they are prophets and not pastors.
One word:
Indignation 😡
One condition:
Disgusted 🤮
One grieved:
The Spirit of God 😔
My sister and I used to be part of a church like this and I can tell it's spiritual abuse just as you said. I was visiting and my sister was a full time member so she was abused more. We were made to believe that serving the pastor and his appointed shepherds was serving Jesus. The pastor would talk about his church in every sermon and how it was a good Godly family and that serving in his church and obeying the leaders would please God, but it was all to get the members to be hooked to the church and also willingly sew seeds. He made serving and please God look and feel easy, cause all you had to do was channel all your admiration, honour, faith and every good thing you had to give God for you being an awesome God, through him. He was very charismatic and would frequently guilt trip everyone into submission, talking about how he had helped many people and making his "appointed shepherds" and some of the old church members talk about what he had done for them during service. His messages were repeated over and over again and he would again guilt trip everyone into listening to his sermons daily. If you were able to quote him or repeat the things he said in his sermons, he would be impressed and everyone was trying to impress him, because that was all part of serving God apparently. Marrying out side of the church was basically illegal and he along with his appointed shepherds would control the dating scene in the church, pairing up whoever they felt would go together and if you didn't like the person you were paired with, well you were going against the will of God for your life. So many of the couples in the church clearly didn't love each other and the one couple that was genuine didn't get married because the pastor told them to. They were basically the devils in that church since their relationship clearly proved that the pastor didn't know best and wasn't really hearing from God when it came to relationships..well and basically everything else. Every sermon was some kind of damage control tool to silence members who had figured him out and to patch up the non-existent relationship between those he had put together. He would even talk about members personal issues(even their sex lives (and yes he knew that much. All couples were to report everything that happens in their lives to him.) through out sermons for some reason. He Frequently cheated on his wife with the church members, took luxurious trips with his shepherds and assistant pastors in the name of looking for a venue for a couples retreat, and did many other shady things all in the name of God. I felt quite stupid for following him and believing that he was a genuine man of God. But I've learned my lesson. Anytime I come across a man of God talking about himself more than about Jesus, my red flags go up. I'm not falling for that nonsense again and neither is my sister. She was abused more because she was a full time member and actually served in the church, but now she goes to a much better church where the pastor is always pointing to Jesus. I follow the new pastors ministry and I've noticed that after listening to his sermons all I think about is Jesus. Not the pastor and not the church.
Don't think this happens in pentecostal type churches. Anytime we give a man too much power , corruption steps in. My husband and I have been watching a very slow downward progression, as the church members are becoming enslaved to the pastor instead of servants of Jesus Christ. We now have a "professional development " class which deacons and leaders are expected to attend. Return on investment is what now drives their decisions. Ordinary people are ignored. My husband and I step in quietly to meet the needs. We try to ignore the nonsense, but the reality is at some point we will need to leave. There are lots of messages about serving the Lord, but very few on witnessing. Lots on stewardship-but no other ministry is reputable and the tithe only belongs to the local church.This is how we are able to raise $ 40,000 to send the pastor on the trip of his dreams- a tour of England to advance his on the side business promoting the KJV. This just a few months after raising tens of thousands for a fesibility study, which anyone with half a brain could see, wouldn't work. My husband respects the pastor for his role and the help he has been to us over the years, but he''s made it quite clear that he serves the LORD not church leadership.
Don't tell me it's a church in Ghana
Sounds very much like the church I grew up in, in the former Soviet union Pentecostal, churches we’re doing the same thing, telling people who to marry, or telling people not to marry at all, because Jesus is their bride groom
I grew up in a ministry like this. Praise the LORD that my dad followed the leading of the Spirit to leave and teach us the TRUTH about Jesus and the love of God for us!!! 🙌🏽 I pray that each and every person a part of this ministry will be endowed with knowledge of the truth and the boldness of the Spirit to escape!!!
I’m so glad you escaped and found the love of Jesus!
You're very beautiful... don't know if your single.. but hit me up if you are.
"Its hard not to laugh, or cry, or punch a wall" hahaha, well said. On a serious note, I find your teaching very beneficial.
Mr. Mike Winger, you have been my altime favorite digital pastor. I have grown and challenged my own faith so much through your training of thinking biblically. May the Lord bless you and keep you ministering for him.
Mine too! Humble, kind and gentle yet oddly strong in the faith and unyielding to the Truth! Humble
Amen!
Yes. I have been greatly helped too.
Caleb Bailey He's only guiding you further astray.
Digital pastor 🤣
"When you see me you see glory" at that moment when he said that, I would've turned around and walk out the door and not let it hit me on the way out.
my heart felt broken, when the young man said "i have a spirit of confusion", all he needed was some private fasting maybe, close faithful christian friends, maybe professional therapy depending on his real condition and Bible verses:
"God is not the author of confusion..."
"God has not given us the spirit of fear but a spirit of a sound mind..."
And a loving warm-hearted relationship with Jesus!
Of course he has a spirit of confusion .. he’s among this bunch. It’s pitiful
Who wouldn't be confused if a man was screaming questions or things that arent true about you.
I'm literally praying for Amoa right now. My goodness, Lord please find Amoa and show him your love and show him who you truly are. 😭😭😭 That this experience may not mark him in a negative way in Jesus' name.
Amen
Amen❤
The man was humiliated. I hope the Lord finds him and ministers to him for real this time
Amen
Amen
I was taken to events like this as a child. It left me confused and afraid of God and the spirit realm.
I’m so sorry to hear that.
I’m so sorry, dear one. May you find the peace and love of our true Jesus in his Word. 💔
@@Weissguys6 I have indeed. This video just reminded me of how scary this can be for kids.
I was fortunate to have spent my formative Christian years in a church that taught the bible line by line. I only ever visited a pentacostal church later on after having formed a spiritual foundation. I'm sorry for your experience, and I hope that you will come to understand the Lord and His word better through legitimate teaching.
@@SherrellMooreTucker I too had the same experiences when I was a child. I am 42 now and still remember these services and how they scared me as a young girl, I had nightmares and would get terrified by these services. It took me over 30 years to admit this to my mother. I’m Adventist now….no more of this nonsense.
13:04 is where this broke my heart.
I felt the fear, as the victim panicked and replied "No.." after being told that the devil would take him that day.
That is just evil!
I agree. Hard to watch
Ed citronella is a good prophet a matter of fact great, You're the one who's a fake
“I will only minister to this side.” I think I left a church over that phrase before.
Guys like this keep surfacing and people keep following. Biblical illiteracy is a huge issue in the body of Christ.
I've never heard the term "Biblical illiteracy" but wow it's so accurate.
@Keith they have been around forever, it's disgusting the lies, manipulation etc. I'm so grateful to have this foolishness behind me. & follow the true Gospel of Jesus Christ
Biblical illiteracy and immaturity amongst believers. Especially those who want entertainment and (worldly) prosperity
Very true :(
this is a problem everywhere but especially in south america and africa
I actually had an experience like this years ago as a new Christian where I did not agree with the “prophet” when he said I had visions. Thank God the Holy Spirit revealed truth to me and I didn’t get sucked in to this false Christianity. Just Jesus for me nothing else!
What this this alleged spirit specifically tell you?
Just because of one experience with a false prophet doesn't negate the true ones.
I met a true prophet once, and he prophesied everything correctly...I didn't give him any hints, I just said yes or no .. and he spoke of my past, and then my present and then my future. And everything he said, including the prophecies about my future were correct.
Just don't judge someone based on your past experiences...as they say don't judge a book by it's cover
Thanks you I think I’m going thru the same too .
When I realized this sort of stuff was going on at a church I used to go to I was like “I’ve got to get OUT of here. NOW”
This is an example of pure narcissistic abuse in the church .
The complete opposite of everything Jesus stands for
My heart absolutely breaks for these people - you can sense the fear in them ! Everyone walking on eggshells
Thank you so much for exposing this Mike
This guy invokes anxiety within me. I could never be in the same room with this insanity. It’s hard to believe people fall for this theatrical nonsense.
Lynn F. It may be theatrical nonsense, but it could be far darker than just theatrics
Because they're hungry and they're needy and want magical answers. They want a vending machine God and these types of prophets provide it. Or at least the illusion of it.
Amen to that. This charade is awful, and makes me feel anxious and nauseous…
Then he would tell you your anxiety is from the demonic and you must be set free!
I have anxiety disorder and that lie irks me to no end.
I used to go to services like these. I always went away feeling anxious and like something was wrong with me. Like I wasn’t a good Christian because I just couldn’t really fall for it. Thankfully I started getting more grounded in the Word and stay far away from the “prophets” I used to follow.
I like how Mike noticed that most of the people in the crowd were women. We absolutely are more susceptible to deception since we are very emotional beings (while men tend to be more rational). We need more godly men to stand up against things like this that bring reproach to the name of Christ. Thank you Mike for your work and may the Lord bless you!
Also that christian women are less likely to challenge christian men, especially a pastor.
And there are more women in all churches.
Amen!!! Godly men, protect your women and children from this nonsense. We need you. ❤️
Respectfully, I don't believe this is biblically accurate, especially in Christ; women are not More easily deceived, rather Eve was deceived. Jesus said we have the same Spirit, and there is no male or female in Christ. When the Lord speaks about the weaker vessel, He is speaking physically.
Women were created for the glory of man.
Furthermore, Eve was not commanded by God directly, but through Adam, therefore it would make perfect sense that Satan went to Eve to deceive her. Especially because Adam and Eve were perfect up until that point, and did not have a sin nature. It's important to note that Adam was next to Eve at some point when she disobeyed. She made a decision apart from her husband, which is probably a more accurate depiction of our female nature and rebellion. They were one and in perfect fellowship as God designed.
I think we often try to reason why women should not lead men when the answer is very simple; God made a Patriarchy, an order to His Creation. Women are not to lead men because they are not the head; not because women are more easily deceived or intellectually inferior because that would disqualify women from leading other women and would make Pauls discipleship of other women in vain!
We are comparable to Christ and the Father when Jesus walked the earth. Just because Jesus could doesn't mean He acted through His divinity rather He submitted Himself completely to the Father because they were always in perfect union.
Jesus was always God and never set aside His divinity, but He humbled Himself when He became a man and did as the Father directed Him; and it was not because He wasn't capable. He completely relied upon the Father by choice.
Jesus created this order in the garden and that's just the way it is. I think that is a dangerous generalization and puts the emphasis on mankind rather than Christ.
Jesus says man is the head of woman, because that's how He created us; a husband is the head of his wife.
It also leaves room for abusive control and spiritual abuse; making women believe they are incomplete in Christ without a man. What about widows? Those who will not marry?
Women are the weaker vessel in the flesh and more prone to emotionality, but that does not equate women being intellectually inferior. I know many women who are rational and self controlled more than the average person by nature, how God created their personalities, therefore in Christ they display such an almost impossible fruit of the Spirit. It's a sight to witness.
This sort of belief just defies the gospel and makes man the mediator rather than Christ.
Also Human behavior is not measured this way, and scripture does not state that women are more easily deceived, rather women are more prone to make decisions apart from the head; independence.
Maybe I am missing something, and I would be happy to receive correction. I just do not see this in scripture rather in fundamentalism.
Amen sister!
I think this is true. Even in secular circles, women are at the forefront of being deceived by the sway of talkshow hosts. Not that men are better, there are other areas where they are more susceptible but in this regard, I think you are correct
I didn't have spiritual abuse like this. But I was said my faith is not enough, I have to increase my faith, I had to take one step forward, "the lord said" something vague, not clear enough for me to understand what exactly God wants me to do. When I went home I only felt worse, more pressure, anxiety I can't explain how terrible it was.
I'm SO glad I watched this video tonight: I forgot to take my antibiotics until I got to the part where he asked him about his medicine!
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What medicine? 😮
I feel sorry for the guy being abused and i hope a real christian reaches out to him.
Yeah. I was thinking the same thing.
Yeah im praying for the same thing for myself. Someone that isn't manipulating me, gaslighting me, denying my reality, discouraging me, isolating me from any and all non-manipulative/non-gaslight individuals that know anything about the psychological abuse and denial of truths and reality...they won't even acknowledge that they are gaslighting me... I pray that Jesus sends information or a person who won't gaslight me. I need help so bad but no one cares
You know what else is odd about this meeting is how God is sovereign over everything and delivers them from everything, except coronavirus apparently. Are the masks "annointed"???
@@dancinina4592 You can ignore all these religious scammers. Yahweh never existed any more than Baal, Asherah, Chemosh, Marduk, Dagon or any of the other gods mentioned in the Bible. It is nothing but a bunch of mythological nonsense written by primitive people. These pastors and youtubers want your tithes and offerings, buy their books explaining this nonexistent deity, and watch and subscribe to their channels for their own benefit.
@@paulallen7962
Did Jesus exist according to you?
It's actually quite impressive that someone can say so much and be saying absolutely nothing! 🤦🏾♂️
FREDERICKSBURG!!
Lol 😆 lol 😆 hilarious and sad
@@keithjackson4985 NOTHING funny about ANYBODY BEING DECEIVED or The DECEIVER HIMSELF. Because ain't NOTHING funny about being lead off into hell....PERIODT 🙅🏽♀️
@@varroz6926 His appearance, is funny. I said it was. Get it.
Every single evangelical church service ever
Please let’s all pray for this young man that is being torn apart. This is heartbreaking.
This is so sad…. Breaks my heart to see this, that awful man. I pray and hope that the young man runs from this and never looks back and that God leads him back to himself away from cults
As a Christian pastor/teacher this is both grieving and infuriating me. Lord have mercy on those who follow this false profit (intentional misspelling).
Call at 716
One question, are you healing people and casting demons out through The Lords name and giving glory to Jesus? I think a pastor can have these gifts. If you’re not, then why aren’t you doing it? People are using these things as an excuse to teach that God can’t heal nor set people free.
Ya I feel both sadness/grief and extreme anger - I want to run in and stop him.
I see what ya did there. Smart move.
@@revivalist_avivador_Jad I do those things, but I don't point people to myself, but to the Lord Jesus.
Love this. And I'm also from West Africa (Liberia). Someone said in the comments and I'll say it again, Mike Winger and others like him are my favorite online pastors: Christ-honoring, Bible-believing, truth-telling, uncompromising, humble, consistent, relatable.....Pastor Mike, I pray your messages reach all 8 billion of us on this planet so no one will have the excuse of not hearing the true Gospel of Jesus Christ. I also pray your success in ministry never gets to your head. By your demeanor, I don't think it ever will - but you never know.
We all need to pray that we don't get puffed up because we have the truth. We should pray for ourselves just as much as the lost so that we don't fall into temptation.
Is there not demon possession going on in your country???
Is he from west Africa? What country?
I think the part of this video that made me the saddest was when Mike said, "This is not normal," and I thought back to my childhood and the churches we went to and how this was made to *seem* normal by nearly all of them.
...That was hard to digest. But it also explains why I felt weird attending those places.
My husband went to one church like this one day they send one guy to block him outside and pretend he was new to the church to ask my husband his name and many other thing so pastor can use it to prophesy but unfortunately for him my husband gave him wrong name and wrong info. When they went in here comes the pastor calling him out with those fake names my husband did not answer then he came and pull my husband up and start giving all the fake info my husband gave to that man lol. My husband said to him that all those stuff he mentioned about him is not true them that man looked at the guy that brought the fake info. So the man starts pretending lol. But my husband left the church immediately before they harm him that’s what they do if you get them.
This type of spiritual abuse is demonic and right out of the pit of Hell. Pure evil. This give me righteous indignation.
It's demonic and stupid. And the shouting makes it more stupid.
As a Nigerian. I approve this message. Too many spiritual abusers exist here.
How did this Prophet Prophecy about my Mothers miscarriage
So right..
@@honeycomb4286 He is not of God and another spirit can give you information.
I've heard, in Kenya
There are stronger churches
Independent Baptist who push reading bible
So I just came from a Ed Citronneli ministry service in Arlington, Tx. I left in tears and I’m literally in tears listening and seeing your video. My husband and I have been praying that God would lead us to a diverse, small, Christ filled church, focused on the teaching of the gospel, and one we can call our home and church family. We went there to see if this was the one God would lead us to. It is not!! I can’t tell you how disappointed and heartbroken I am to see such a lost group of people. We spent over an hour at more of a concert type atmosphere, standing the entire time. We kept waiting for Gods word to be preached, and after an hour of bright colorful lights, band playing, people dancing, singing, still no opening Bibles to worship God through His word! I saw us all hearded in like cattle to our seats. I witnessed one usher being rude to an elderly lady with a walker, telling her she couldn’t sit up close to the front. They made her sit on the back row. One usher asked my husband “are you a man of God?” When he said yes, she sat us on the front row. We waited as long as we could to see if the singing would stop and the preaching would begin, and when we started going into the second hour of band playing, singing, flashy strobe lights, it was obvious to us, this is NOT a Christ filled, God humbling, reverence worshipping, gospel teaching church we hoped for. We walked out and have no plans on returning!! We pray for every lost soul who supports this ministry. Christ, and only Christ, is what brings true salvation of our souls. If you do not have a PERSONAL relationship with Christ, then you are a lost soul!!
Daughter of God sorry this happened to you and your husband
So sorry to hear about your experience. You may want to check the corner of Fielder and California Ln at 9am on Sunday. ;)
@@djwildness thank you. What is the church name and I’ll look into it.
@@sistercowgirl3159 The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. I went there for about 6 years before I moved for work. It's a small congregation. However, some of the most amazing and caring people I've ever met were there.
@@djwildness thank you
Yes. This is what spiritual abuse looks like, but most often it is much more subtle.
I always love when you post content randomly! 10 minutes in and this makes me angry...but grieves my heart even more. God bless you & your ministry!!
Forgive, for he knows not what he does. Forgiveness ends anger. It allows us to teach people to let go of their anger. Only forgiving people are good teachers and happy people.
You lasted longer than me. The pastor shoving a mic in that boy’s face and wondering if that kid will escape these damaging doctrines…
Same here, chick! I’m so upset & saddened by this. I’m glad Mike is EXPOSING it, though! I hope tons of people get to watch this.
Frustrating! Fake!!!! False!!! Matthew 7:15
Robert Douglas,
I fear that the “prophet“ knows exactly what he’s doing. He is a lying thief scamming gullible people.
That is in no way Christian!
That was beyond sad and disturbing. You can see the fear in that kids eyes. The screaming and mob mentality made me cringe.
Praying he leaves that “church.”
I appreciate what you are doing. A biblical breakdown of all thing is great.
This is so scary and sad that this goes on. 🙄 Thank you for this message.
This is so sad, and hard to watch. I pray these people leave this abuse.
"It's hard not to laugh. It's laugh or cry or punch a wall. Those are the options."
This is by far the most iconic thing Mike has ever said.🤣🤣
I’m glad I’m not the only who found this hilarious. This had me rolling 💀😂😂😂
I said I was going to remember that quote. 😅😅😅
One of the most powerful ways to avoid such abuse I've heard, and have heard it a few different times by a few different people. Was not to look for the fraud, or imitation, but to recognize, and intimately know the authentic. As is done with money. It's easier to spot the fraud in knowing the authentic, than spot the authentic, by knowing the many forms of fraud.
Thank you so much for sharing this with believers. I was a part of a church like this for 8 years. Thank God He set me free. 🙌🏾
Amoah is an incredibly common west African last name. Ghana in particular - my dad grew up there. It’s like asking someone called O’Kelly who in their family is from Ireland.
This guy gave me chills and not in a good way. This is absolutely unsettling.
Very unsettling
He gets alot of money by doing all this. You should see his posts.
This just makes me realize how privileged I grew up being grounded in the word and having Biblical mentors in my life. This was always obvious lunacy to me. But I understand these people just don’t know any better….
Amen Mike, absolutely perfect breakdown of what was really going on here. God bless.
Handled with much grace. We checked this guy out last night after seeing your Facebook post. My husband couldn’t get through four minutes without sobbing. I found myself after two minutes trying to get farther and farther from the computer. It is so grievous. I don’t know how you managed to watch it all.
What shameful displays, hard to watch this without physically cringing away from the screen.
The amount of research and time , snd love you put into this topic.!! … well I’m enriched and have learned so much ..
Thank you SO much for making this review...it had to be said!
I wish most African churches would see this. Thank you for this message.
It’s really a big issue in most Christian african countries
Sadly. Same with Hispanic churches.
99% of them have the same model - so sad
I grew up in a Pentecostal church. Saw a lot of stuff over the years. I believe God can move in miraculous ways, but not when played out like this. The enemy can and will mimic the authentic. You made some fantastic points here. Hopefully someone will be delivered by watching it.
My mama was raised in a Pentecostal church, my daddy was raised in the Baptist faith. He insisted we all go to a Baptist church, so we only went to the pentecostal church a few times when my granny would invite us. All i remember is being a little kid and me and my cousin sitting there and everyone in the church was standing and crying loudly and a couple were even talking funny. So me and my cousin were only about 6/7 yrs old and i looked at her and whispered "why are we the only ones not crying?" And we giggled . We couldn't understand this. I was never afraid of any of it, because the people there truly were the nicest people and they believed in helping each other and others. And i loved my granny of course. But, i stuck with my baptist church more because it always felt like that. It felt really awkward being the only one not yelling, crying, etc. Now I'm sort of non denominational i guess, since idk where i really fit in. But still saved and still know Jesus saved me.
ALSO..in book of Acts, there are dispensations.
In the beginning of Paul's ministry, he was able to heal
Later, he couldn't even heal Timothy stomach problem
The word evil continually comes to mind watching this "service."
Thank you, Mike. I've learned so much from your channel. You have such a sincere loving spirit that comes across to everyone. Thank you for covering this topic of Spiritual Abuse. I have been a victim in the past. You're right on in your analysis.
The deep loud breathing in is also for effect. It raises the heart rate of everyone in the room, with out people realizing it's anxiety not the Spirit of God. It also wraps the "prophet" in the idea of how hard he's laboring for God. It's all a show.
😂😂😂 never thought about it like that. Makes sense though. These so called prophets are just attention seekers.
Absolutely
How God Almighty doesn’t just strike some of these people down just shows how long-suffering and wonderful his mercy is and yes I agree this is absolutely heartbreaking for the people involved
I say this all the time ..it literally shows how YAHUAH his merciful and as you stated long -suffering ..you can see how God’s wrath is righteous when you see how patient and forgiving he his. But God will not tolerate a consistency of willful disobedience and manipulating his word .
We are in the period of mercy and grace… when the judgement come and the tribulation… I think that grace period will be coming to a close.
Eventually His mercy and grace will only be eternal for those who chose Him and serve Him
Spot on!
Count yourself in. You're not an angel either. So thank God that he didn't strike you down. Everyone of is guilty before God.
THIS IS VERY SAD!!
I PRAY FOR THE HEALTH AND HEALING FOR THAT YOUNG MAN!!
I had a service where a so-called prophet and “prophesied”. I’m glad that I didn’t fall for the tricks like in this service but I do pray that my brothers and sisters will recognize that not every prophet we come across is true. And I pray for my church that has allowed this kind of spiritual abuse to repent and heal from this horrible situation.
"Don't go messing up the flow." Sounds a lot like... "Touch not the Lord's anointed" being taken out of context with different words.
Meaning like you depicting the scenario with that phrase reminded me of that other thing.
I came from a spiritually abusive church like this, they said doctors were for people without faith and watched me die of cancer without treatment. It’s prevalent in Africa but it’s here in America too. No words can describe the devastation this evil sham causes
Do you know the name of the group?
You died of cancer? Did you get better?
@@crb2061 I had cachexia when the body shuts down to prepare to die. I know what it physically feels like to die, and according to my medical records, should not be alive. I got better but still have cancer after many failed treatments
@@kristinamedinaagee3452 oh wow. I'm glad you are ok. It can be pernicious that religious leaders warn against life saving medical treatments. Medicine, including medications and surgery can be quite risky and should be avoided when possible, but sometime the benefit (staying alive) outweighs the risk. However we should also be wary of being too afraid of death. It is a fate no one can avoid after all.
It can also be much more subtle. I grew up with fire and brimstone style preaching in a pentecostal AOG church. I was exposed to harmful spiritual preaching and attitudes starting at age 7. It destroyed my childhood and almost destroyed me.
I ended up in a nondenominational charismatic church that also turned out to be harmful. The harm really started for me when they brought in inner healing ministries like Elijah House, then Restoring The Foundations (RTF). It took my faith off of Christ's finished work and put my eyes on the work of dealing with the roots of sin in my life and self effort, etc. It took me to a very dark and horrible place with almost deadly physical consequences and great harm to relationships. It's God's mercy that I haven't lost everything, the least of which is my job.
I'm still struggling with the consequences today, praying and struggling for deliverance. Last I heard from this church that I stopped going to 5 years ago was them emailing me, asking for a financial commitment to their building campaign.
You should avoid sin bro
@@worm_and_no_man I didn't say or suggest otherwise.
Elijah House teaching has people looking inward and digging for sin. Doing the work of the holy spirit which is to convict us of ongoing sin so that we would repent.
Is that in Nigeria because AOG in the west are not that bad .
@@samchs222 no, Fredericksburg assemblies of God in VA. I guess in part it depends on the preacher and local congregation.
Our old pastor was prideful and I think a bit self righteous too.
He also taught the damnable doctrine of "no such thing as once saved, always saved" which he repeated frequently enough along with warning about backsliding.
He also set himself up as an untouchable "man of God", telling how several banking individuals involved with granting the church a building loan working suffered severe consequences as punishment from God when they changed their minds on allowing the loan to go through. He also had the nice back story of how his mother promised to give God a preacher if He would allow her to conceive and give her a son. Of course the pastor rebelled in his young adulthood until "God got ahold of him".
They also practiced supposed "speaking in tongues" and interpretation which I now doubt had anything to with God. He didn't bestow much grace either.
So at a young age I began fearing going to hell because God would send me there if I messed up and sinned and happened to die before repenting. That turned into constantly praying for forgiveness, then other OCD behavior, anxiousness and depression, setting the stage for a wretched, lonely, dark childhood.
It took God 2 decades to walk me out of that, then I became ensnared with the false teaching of the inner healing ministries at the charismatic church of my adult years.
@@chris2790 I see. I believe in the gifts of the spirit. I believe that we have our heavenly father - God the Creator and His Son Jesus Christ and the holy Spirit that Jesus promised to be with us and live in us after he ascends to heaven.
Pastors are not perfect and it's interesting that some may claim to be untouchable. This seems to be getting more common in Pentecostal circles. Nonetheless, God works with us based on our knowledge. Both can be true that he is not perfect person but God still uses him and his doctrine were not 100% correct.
However, "once save always saved doctrine" is usually preached that you can commit sin which to ordinary person means live in sin and still be saved. No once saved, you should live as saved and if you fall into sin, ask God for forgiveness. If not, you are not exercising your redemption rights and you will get an outcome equal to never saved.
Hi Mike, I actually watched a bit of this video when it first came out and I was still a part of Ed’s church. I quickly dismissed what you were saying and counted it as persecution against a man of God. It’s incredible how perspectives change. I am watching it now and am no longer a part of his church. I was so blinded and deceived. And yes. A LOT of spiritual abuse happens in that church. Every service there is someone who is embarrassed by him in front of the whole congregation. It’s disgusting how he allows people to put money on his feet for a prophecy and kneel before him. And yes, people are conditioned to go along with acting all excited, jump, shout and to stand up every time the “prophet” walks by you because you have to honor him. But anyways, everything you’re saying is spot on. Thank you for what you do.
This is hard to watch especially as a charismatic (with a seatbelt, The Bible). Many of my reformed brothers and sisters will look at this as a reason that the gifts have ceased or that demons no longer need to be cast out, or that God does not heal through the prayers of his children. It was a good video, thanks for sharing! :)
Yes and the knee-jerk reaction of no spiritual gifts is now hurting the Western Church!!
I agree
This is a surprising video, but definitely not unwanted! God bless you, Pastor Mike :)
Thank you Mike Winger for your great and blessed work for the kingdom of God!
This is so sad! Thank you for this information.
40 yrs ago, I went to a " healing meeting " years ago. The "Healer" called me to stand up and started "prophesying ". I stopped her and said I am not here for me, I'm here for my son. She was embarrassed, then came down asked about my son, I said he's deaf, she yelled in his ear and walked away to her next victim. When she laid hands on the person and pushed the man down, my 3 yr old daughter yelled, "mama..why did she scream in beans ear and push that man down? 🤣 I laughed...we left and told others they should follow.
Just because someone is not operating according to scripture does not negate scripture. JESUS is the Healer. And there are people that are authorized to have access to the Lord that you may not understand carnally. Prophecy is real. Word of knowledge is real. Healing is real. Sad you don't believe in it because I've been healed in 4 parts of my body.
@@puritywins2826 that's not what i said at all. I was talking about false "prophets". On the contrary, my moma was born at home dead. My grandparents prayed, moma flopped like a fish outta water. Her name was Faith. The Dr and midwife gave their lives to Jesus.
@@spinderellas6272 Yup, it's Just in these times there will be people coming out who appear and move annoited but are using demons.
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I love your original comment and your mum flopping like a fish out of water 😂 You're great with descriptions
I’m 13 minutes in and I can’t believe the abuse. “The devil will take you”?? So sorry for God’s children.
Love your ministry Mike, God bless you😊
I love you Pastor Mike and team!!! ❤❤❤❤
Thank you for this video Mike! I spent a large part of my childhood in churches like this. I knew something wasn't right. I would ask about things and be told I have demons or a religious spirit on me. But God was louder than them, and I left. Happy to be part of very genuine, humble and down to earth church. I pray that others would be given the same discernment.
I had a similar experience you had and now I go to a small Bible preaching humble church. God is faithful.
Praise God that you were able to walk away from that experience with your faith in Jesus intact.
Amazing you left! When I was first saved, I too was invited to a church very similar to this but worse: the "pastor" was a woman. 🤦🏻♀️
But then I started actually reading my Bible!
If only more Christians just faithfully read scripture and prayed for wisdom, they too would discover freedom out of these false churches!
All one needs to do is READ HEBREWS!
_“Long ago, at many times and in many ways, God spoke to our fathers by the prophets, _*_but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son,_*_ whom he appointed the heir of all things, through whom also he created the world.”_
Hebrews 1:1-2 ESV
As a former new-ager, these "peacocks" are like "psychics," and are far from what a real contemporary prophet should look like today: simply pastors/preachers who preach Christ/the Word of God/Scripture/the Bible.
*That's it!*
All that "P" alliteration helps to remember this easy discernment of someone who claims they "have a word from the Lord for you," and why I can call myself a cessationist while _also_ believing in prophecy.
Because the "prophecy" I believe in is the Word of God, not this extra-biblical garbage.
@@jessitabonita so true thanks for saying this. I believe in deliverance that people practice now, although there are people who just do it for money, But in my experience, if I did have demonic influence before I was saved it went away with a prayer and me truly accepting Christ and repenting. I’ve seen people pay money for this which is very dubious. I listened to a baptist preacher in California preach against this and I was kinda on the fence although I do know there is spiritual abuse from this because of evil intentions.
My mom did that to me to control me and she would try and convince me I had demons… blamed me for demonic stuff in house when she was the one I found out was involved in the Occult and witchcraft all while I got saved and was reading my Bible.
It got hard but glad I escaped when I did…
Truly spiritual abuse
This man has taken cue from Nigerian “Pastors”. The choice of words, incantations,tying your family name to a tree, witches meeting on a tree. These are usually talking points for Nigerian “Pastors” trying to break you from “generational curses”. They usually take ideas from the practices of the Yoruba religion.
He could have easily guessed he was from Ghana. I’m not Ghanian, but grew up around a lot of Ghanaians that I can tell a Ghanian name from a mile away. Using that as some sort of prophetic moment is truly just pathetic.
This is type of rubbish is so rampant in Nigeria now, it’s puzzling. Most Nigerian “churches” preach the prosperity gospel and spread the word of faith movement and very few actually preach the true gospel. It is the “mainstream” gospel and people who hold to true Orthodox Christianity and its doctrines, are seen as being “Holier than Thou” and they will quote “touch not the Lord’s anointed” to them more times than you can count.
This is truly so sad 😞.
Truly sad. Nigerian here and everything you said is true.
As a Nigerian myself, I regret to confirm that you're right. This is truly a plague here.
@@mobolajiade-aina8643 I would be interested to know if you include Arome Osayi in that category? My girlfriend is obsessed with him,
Yup some people mix paganism with Christianity. It’s really sad. Even in my parent’s country this is the case. Others are real Bible believers
When you get rid of generational curses you don’t use witchcraft to fight witchcraft
@@crb2061 I'm not really familiar with him or his teachings,so I can't say
A faith healer came to our Vineyard church when I was a teen, and he tried to push me down to be “slain in the spirit,” but I stayed up and it made him mad. After the service I never once heard the name of Jesus, just the healer being praised and glorified be everyone. To me, that was the biggest sign that this man was a false healer, and I left that church.
No words. I have no words for what I just watched. This man will pay greatly for the reprehensible deeds he has done in this life.
Thanks for doing this, Mike. I lived under this type of mess for several years as a new Christian. I would, however, like to point out to viewers that this is an overt example of spiritual abuse. There is covert spiritual abuse that is just as egregious that takes place in churches where never a tongue is spoken nor a prophecy given. It uses the same dynamics - gaslighting, groupthink, and authoritarianism - but it is done through peer pressure and church politics. It is more subtle but much more prevalent.
They are all scammers, Yahweh never existed any more than Baal, Asherah, Chemosh, Marduk, Dagon, Moloch, or any of the other gods mentioned in the Bible.
@@paulallen7962 verify your claims.
@@lavenderflowers1075 I wish it were that easy to undo religious brain washing. There are currently 3 billion Muslims and Hindus in the world that prove people will believe anything. It requires a great deal of thought, reading and studying the OT, and education about older myths to see it as the primitive superstitious nonsense it really is. In my experience, most people are unwilling to do these things.
So true!
T H I S!!!
This is so scary. My heartbreaks for all those wounded hearts that are searching, but ending up with deceitful individuals.
I can't continue to watch this, Im from pentacostal church and it hits a little close to home, really scary.
I agree 😢 so sad
Thank you for exposing these evil false teachers. They abuse so many people and we need to stand up against these individuals!
The wisdom from above is first of all pure, peaceable , gentle, wow anything but here
This is a more serious example of violating "You shall not use The Lord, your God's name in vain". Thanks for making this video Mike, discernment is very important :)
Seriously, I HAVE walked out of these quack service's.
In fact, one time as I was leaving one of these services, the evangelist went to put his hands on me, till I went to double up my fist, he backed up, I left.
Unbelievable! 😿
Another time, I made the FATAL mistake of visiting a pentecostal service. I was wearing a prayer shawl, the first thing the Pastoral Lunatic did was literally rip the prayer shawl off my head, while accusing me of being a witch. THEN, 4 other men surround me. At this point, I'm PISSED and frightened. They are, I guess, praying for my deliverance. Touching me in places they had no business going!
Like I said, Unbelievable!
No wonder people hate going to Church!
BEWARE of the crazy Churches in the Bible Belt.
The loudest cheer went to the mention of money.
Thank you for exposing spiritual abusers like this. These practices are so evil. They are crushing for babes in Christ who trust every voice in the pulpit 😥😰💔
This is Narcissistic Gaslighting in full swing! I have a great concern how many “powerful” spiritual leaders suffer from mental illness (in most cases narcissism) but it is “covered” by words like anointing or gifting etc. it would be an interesting discussion to have about the influence of mental illness in spiritual abuse.
Right on 💯
11:37 you stated you believe they indeed think they are led by God. I appreciate you saying this. That reality is what let me actually feel pity for the one that perpetrated spiritual lording over the congregation I was in. I had to leave, but I didn't doubt his sincerity or "commitment" to the "truth" he held. Which just magnifies the simple mystery of how we can be "in the word" for many many years and still slip into such a mindset. Sobering reality. I greatly appreciate your ministry. I'd not learned of you till after leaving that context. You've been a reasoned voice in the waters of pain and confusion.
It's upsetting to see people being exploited like this. Thank you Mike!
*" I will spit you out of my mouth"* comes to mind, I had a bad experience with the church in Seattle that this reminds me of, it's really sad I guess we need to pray up on things.
Thank you Mike for feeding God's flock God bless you your loved ones and the body of Christ.
Pastor Mike, when that man said “what medication?” I about fell out! Thank you for sharing, thank you for your wisdom, thank you for your commentary and once again helping us think biblically about dad situations like this.
It would make the perfect meme! 😄😄
@@jacqjacq5920 oh yes lol in my deebo voice
Wow this is really good. Thanks for this breakdown
I feel a mix between sadness and disgust watching this, sadness for them being lead astray and disgust that they let themselves being lead astray by simple material gain.