Not Even JOEL OSTEEN Can Copyright Strike This Video: Osteen Misused the Bible 93% of the time.
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- My agenda is just to help you learn to think biblically about everything. I WISH I could share my original, uncut video analysis of a typical Osteen sermon but, for the time being, this will be the best I can do.
I do this for educational purposes.
This is Joel Osteen’s original sermon. I didn’t pick it because it was worse than others he does. I didn’t pick it because it suited my purposes. Back when I started preparing my first video on Osteen this was just the most recent message he had given. My original critique and analysis included a lot more content but I had to cut it down a lot to avoid the copyright claims of Lakewood Church. • Let It Go | Joel Osteen
My website BibleThinker.org
It's interesting how Mr. "Let it go," and "don't take offense" abuses copyright policies to silence honest critics.
Nit-picks one's interpretation as analysis by somehow offering a "correct" interpretation as a devious accusations
@@Immacu_late ,
Would you like to flesh that comment out and maybe include sentence structure and grammar that might allow me to interpret what you are getting at?
I feel like you tried to fit a paragraph into that sentence. It might have made you feel better, which is something I guess, but doesn't do a very good job of communicating.
Great point.
Lol! 😂 That’s so true! He is a fake pastor with fake humility teaching a fake gospel for fake faith!
He didn't practice what he preached
Maybe making a puppet Osteen and doing your best to try speaking just like him while reading his actual words would get us all rolling! Just thinking outloud.
I’m laughing right now!
😂
Lololol a very handsome hand puppet
Hysterical!
I love puppets! & charades!
“Your training people to be selfish in their service of God” I think this pretty much sums up Joel Osteens great error.
Thank you for this thorough breakdown and analysis Mike.
I believe I first got the invitation to give my life to Jesus when I was 16 years old, I remember feeling something and surrendering in my heart to Jesus. The first preacher I came across was Osteen, and never was convicted of sin, never was I told the truth of the gospel. So very shortly after that invitation was extended to me I went straight back into the path I was headed, which was new age practices. About 8-9 years later deeply entrenched in the new age I cried out on the name of Jesus and He saved me. I share this to say that preachers like this are dangerous because they don’t talk about sin, or even why Jesus died on the cross for us. They are using the gospel as some sort of self-development tool. And if Joel Osteen were the only one to have told me the gospel, or the only ‘Christian’ that I had ever come across in my life, then I would not be saved today. It is only by the grace of God that I knew to cry out on the name of Jesus. The fear of God is not in this man, and he is not preaching a saving faith. He needs our prayers.
Agree 100%. I said this about Joel since the beginning. I'm just glad my family finally listened and left Lakewood Church.
*Actually Jesus explained this in the parable of the Sower. Oddly? Joel Olsteen is not mentioned in the parable of the Sower.*
*You just copied & pasted PERSONAL EXPERIENCE & blamed it on EXTERNAL Practice. Essentially, you're looking for someone to blame & Olsteen being presented as a feasible scapegoat becomes the most ACCEPTABLE & available scapegoat in which to hitch your so called 'testimony' to your online affirmation dopamine feedback loop.*
@@thetruthchannel349 No, Joel Osteen's type is mentioned later, in the _Parable of the Wheat and the Tares..._
@@onemorething8175 *Lol*
The steps you are taking to not get take out of context, avoiding copyright strikes, and stay above board are comical. I appreciate it immensely.
Same! It's an oddly "claimed" society we live in, in terms of IP and making content, even though it all feeds on each other
It really is pathetic that Mike has to go to such lengths to avoid all this trouble. But someone will probably now attack him for drawing a humiliating picture of Joel on that piece of paper.
I really enjoyed the Word given. Not only did you point out some problems with Joel Osteen's teaching in a straight on fashion without obvious meanness at heart., you also opened scripture to me personally. Thank you. Only negative is this: when doing Joel's part there is the slightest appearance of condescension, whether actual, or not. Real, or not, it never looks good on a preacher in even the slightest amount. And thank you for sharing God's Word. I believe you are anointed by God to do so. At least in this instance you were. 🙂
@@MrCharlesEldredge Hi. I see that you said he is 'anointed by God'. And so I think God made a slight mistake there as he was working thru Mike (being 'anointed' and all) talking about Joel.
Man, this stuff gets complicated doesn't it❓When you interpret the Bible in literal terms. Those miracles. Y'know, stuff like that. 😳😳😳
Seriously, he is must having a PhD level analysis.. but these days if you have "Logic" it somehow is characterized as "slander"
@@TheDoctor394
Glad you did a 3rd video. Osteen was extremely petty for taking down the first two, using the stick figure is hilarious. If he strike this, I’ll make the “heat piece” 😂😂😂
@Ruslan KD 🤣🤣🤣
Osteen’s pettiness at his sermon’s critique, and Mike’s tenacity at exposing Joel’s hypocrisy will end up bringing MORE attention to the subtle wickedness of Osteen’s Ministry.
Don't fret~ The LORD alone can speak to Hiis heart. to bring repentance!
I remember how Joel jumped on the Kanye train so fast. That didn’t age well.
"I never knew you" Depart from me.
I attended Joel Osteen's church for 4 years, right after his dad died. Joel took over without any succession plan and without any formal seminary training. I got the impression he was winging it, while the church was trying to figure out how to keep his dad's ministry going. So Joel started preaching pretty much the same, simple sermon over and over, kind of a weekly pep talk summarized as, "God loves you, God is for you, your blessings are coming." It took several years for me to admit his teaching was shallow at best, and often outright false. I thank God for the Holy Spirit's genuine discernment, and expository Bible teachers who help us grow in God's ☝️ Word, and identify those Bible teachers who deviate from the truth.
His dad would roll over in his grave seeing how his church is being lead to Hell by this progressive false preacher.
Joel's father was a good preacher he would walk around the side of the podium under a strong anointing as he preached.
@@gracie1598 Joel's father John turned from sound doctrine to the Word of Faith heresy and those teachings produced the rotten fruit of Joel Osteen's teaching.
@TheExastrologer I can only go by the messages I heard him preach on television. Sound preaching if he transfered over to another doctrine, I did not hear anything reflecting that. I'm not disputing what you stated, I just never heard the faith or any other questionable doctrine.
Joel's messages are positive, and I do think they should incorporate more scripture. Currently, I have other preferences in order to be fed the word. Occasionally, ( once a year or more) I check in to see how Joel is doing.
I do get aggreviated; there are a tremendous number of Channels on TH-cam instead of discussing the reality of Christ, his personality character, and the importance of a relationship with him those channels exist to talk negative because it engages people's interest and sells.
None of these Channels on TH-cam are in existence without financial gratuity. Regardless of what they might claim, the channel creators would not invest the time required in order to build a Channel if there were no financial $$💰 compensation. Take care, Best
ANTI GRACE.. sincerity would pray for blessing for JOEL as hevbless's so many.. The Bible is there, their worship songs and private Bible studies and life groups..PICK ON the CULTS JOEL HOLDS THE BIBLE UP TO ALL ..STOP THIS ..
Years ago, I would watch Osteen. The pep talk/sermon would leave one feeling upbeat, but not much else.
After being raised as a JW, I had ZERO knowledge of the Gospel - or the Bible for that matter. Eventually found a church that teaches the Bible, have been Saved and baptized. None of that would have happened had Osteen's sermons been the only ones I heard. Deeply grateful that God kept nudging me towards His word & a solid church family.
And a huge THANK YOU to Pastor Mike Winger! Your videos on JW beliefs have been a huge help in unraveling the biblical disinformation & false doctrine I was raised with. Thank you!! ❤️
The only way to truly appreciate the Gospel is to understand why we need a savior in the first place. God's glory is in his mercy and love in light of His power, justice amd wrath.
"Romans 5:8 ESV
[8] but God shows his love for us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us."
Thanks for sticking with this! Many people love Osteen’s teaching and your analysis is so needed!
Indeed, people need to hear the sly and misguided teachings that are often used. A twist here... and an added implication there..., it's creating complete falsehoods. The false teachers need to stop doing that, instead of trying to silence those(like Mike)who say it is not right and accurate.
They don't "love" Joel Osteen. They just love that they can live how they want even after saying the "sinner's prayer". They love the "freedom" of THEIR individual truths. They love sin. They love their made-up god's. They love their life without the one true God. Joel Osteen is just tickling their ears.
Emphasis on “sticking” (stick figures)
@@Jesussaves8961 The expression "always follow the money" is SO TRUE! Jesus lashed out at the Scribes and Pharisees for using God's house as a way to make a deceptive / wicked living. They were so wicked, they actually thought that they could kill the Son of God. How deceived they were! To even think that they could kill Jesus after he had raised Lazarus!
"Sticking with this?" Pun intended?
To be honest, even though I have heard many people I respect (including my own pastor and you) talk about Joel as being in error in his teaching, I would listen to his sermons and I couldn’t spot the problems-to me, he seemed fairly harmless. Clearly, I have much to learn. Thank you so much in persevering with this video. I get it now, and have learned a valuable lesson in the process: Joel makes it about us, when it should be about God. That may account for his success and popularity but it’s not good teaching.
I tried to watch the last video you put out but it was taken down before I had the chance to watch it. I’m so glad I was finally able to have my questions answered.
Debunking catholicism
I'm more blessed than mary
Proof = Luke 11:27-28
27 And it happened, as He spoke these things, that a certain woman from the crowd raised her voice and said to Him, “Blessed is the womb that bore You, and the breasts which nursed You!”
28 But He said, “More than that, blessed are those who hear the word of God and keep it!”
In Luke 11:27 that random woman LITERALLY said Jesus your mother is Blessed, but are Lord Jesus LITERALLY said Believers are more Blessed than mary. Amen and Amen
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CHRIST alone
John 14:6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.
ACTS 4:12 Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.”
There is only One Mediator between God and men, LORD Jesus Christ= 1 Timothy 2:5
For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus.
Hebrew 9:15 And for this reason He is the Mediator of the new covenant, by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant, that those who are called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance.
Hebrew 12:24 to Jesus the Mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling that speaks better things than that of Abel.
Hebrew 8:6 But now He has obtained a more excellent ministry, inasmuch as He is also Mediator of a better covenant, which was established on better promises.
Ephesians 2:18 For through Him we both have access by One Spirit to the Father
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Work of God =
John 6:28 Then they said to Him, “What shall we do, that we may work the works of God?”
29 Jesus answered and said to them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He sent.”
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1 Timothy 3:2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, temperate, sober-minded, of good behavior, hospitable, able to teach
Paul allows bishops to get marry, but catholic church goes against paul.
Now these catholic will give a Verses from 1 Corinthians7 to say that paul gave the advice to stay unmarried. But they will not tell you that the same chapter they quote says 1 Corinthians 7:28 "even if you do marry, you have not SINNED". The passage literally says "young women, young men" and a bishop is supposed to be a Church ELDER. Mic drop
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Jesus said Matthew 23:9
9 Do not call anyone on earth your father; for One is your Father, He who is in heaven.
And also said Holy Father to Heavenly Father= John 17:11
11 Now I am no longer in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to You. Holy Father, keep through Your name those whom You have given Me, that they may be one as We are.
Jesus said call no one Father but still catholics call *pope holy father.
Sad
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Whenever a catholic argue about mary being the mother of God
Use this to defeat the argument.
Luke 8:21 But He answered and said to them, “My mother and My brothers are these who hear the word of God and do it.”
Matthew 12:46-50
46 While He was still talking to the multitudes, behold, His mother and brothers stood outside, seeking to speak with Him. 47 Then one said to Him, “Look, Your mother and Your brothers are standing outside, seeking to speak with You.”
48 But He answered and said to the one who told Him, “Who is My mother and who are My brothers?” 49 And He stretched out His hand toward His disciples and said, “Here are My mother and My brothers! 50 For whoever does the will of My Father in heaven is My brother and sister and mother.”.
Mark 3:35 For whoever does the will of God is My brother and My sister and mother.”
John 19:26-27
26 When Jesus therefore saw His mother, and the disciple whom He loved standing by, He said to His mother, “Woman, behold your son!” 27 Then He said to the disciple, “Behold your mother!” And from that hour that disciple took her to his own home. ( Jesus basically said John is the son of mary, and mary is the mother of John from that time onwards).
By the way sarah is the mother of all proof=Galatians 4:21-26.
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We should not pray to apostles
Romans 1:25
25 who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.
Acts 10:25-26
25 As Peter was coming in, Cornelius met him and fell down at his feet and worshiped him. 26 But Peter lifted him up, saying, “Stand up; I myself am also a man.”
Acts 14:15
15 and saying, “Men, why are you doing these things? We also are men with the same nature as you, and preach to you that you should turn from these useless things to the living God, who made the heaven, the earth, the sea, and all things that are in them,
Revelation 19:10
10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. But he said to me, “See that you do not do that! I am your fellow servant, and of your brethren who have the testimony of Jesus. Worship God! For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.”
Revelation 22:8-9
8 Now I, John, saw and heard these things. And when I heard and saw, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel who showed me these things.
9 Then he said to me, “See that you do not do that. For I am your fellow servant, and of your brethren the prophets, and of those who keep the words of this book. Worship God."
Colossians 2:18
18 Let no one cheat you of your reward, taking delight in false humility and worship of angels, intruding into those things which he has not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,
You cannot go to Father through saints nor mary, you can only go to the Father through Lord Jesus Christ= John 14:6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.
Ephesians 2:18 For through Him we both have access by one Spirit to the Father.
Holy Spirit intercedes for us=Romans 8:26
26 Likewise the Spirit also helps in our weaknesses. For we do not know what we should pray for as we ought, but the Spirit Himself makes intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
And CHRIST as well=Romans 8:34
34 Who is he who condemns? It is Christ who died, and furthermore is also risen, who is even at the right hand of God, who also makes intercession for us.
Hebrews 7:25
25 Therefore He is also able to save to the uttermost those who come to God through Him, since He always lives to make intercession for them.
It's Christ and Holy Spirit who intercedes for us not apostles
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Apostles are allowed to marry,
1 Corinthians 9:1-5
1 Am I not an apostle? Am I not free? Have I not seen Jesus Christ our Lord? Are you not my work in the Lord? 2 If I am not an apostle to others, yet doubtless I am to you. For you are the seal of my apostleship in the Lord.
3 My defense to those who examine me is this: 4 Do we have no right to eat and drink? 5 Do we have no right to take along a believing wife, as do also the other apostles, the brothers of the Lord, and Cephas?
If Peter (peter is cephas read John 1:42) the so called "first pope" was married, why does the catholic church doesn't allow "pope" to marry?
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The so called vicar of christ/ pope/holy father Peter called himself a fellow elder in 1 Peter 5:1, and as per the qualifications of elder in Titus 1:5-9 the elder is allowed to get married; then why does the "pope" is required to be celibate and catholic? ( when Peter was neither celibate nor catholic).
1)Peter was not perfect human nor was he a perfect disciple
2)He sank down while walking on water
3)Our Lord said to peter get behind me satan
4)Peter reject our Lord 3 times
5)Our Lord rebuked Peter for calling fire from heaven
6)Our Lord rebuked Peter when he cut of the soilders ear
7)Paul rebuked Peter for being hypocrite because he was acting different in front of Jews and different in front of gentiles.
8) Moses messed up, and he was a important part of Bible ( that's why he never entered the promised land),
9)David messed up ( and he has the Holy Spirit),
10)King Soloman messed up,
11) Saul messed up and God regretted the decision (1 Samuel 15:10-11).
Hatrick (Saul then David then Soloman back to back messed up)
12)The apostles run away a day before Lord Jesus got locked up.
13)The early church messed up Rev 2:18-20, 1 Corinthians, Galatians.
14) Apostle John when receiving Revelation worshiped an angel and the angel said "see you do not do that. Worship GOD" Revelation 22:8-9
If these great people could mess up, why do you think the catholic church wouldn't mess up.
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Galatians 4:21-26
21 Tell me, you who desire to be under the law, do you not hear the law? 22 For it is written that Abraham had two sons: the one by a bondwoman, the other by a freewoman. 23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born according to the flesh, and he of the freewoman through promise, 24 which things are symbolic. For these are the two covenants: the one from Mount Sinai which gives birth to bondage, which is Hagar- 25 for this Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia, and corresponds to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children- 26 but the Jerusalem above is free, which is the mother of us all.
Sarah is mother of all, Not mary
Also the Church has many name like Christians, Evangelists, Children of God, Believers, servents of God, bride of Christ, but not once the Church is called catholics
Changed the 10 commandments by deleting 2nd commandment, and dividing the 10th into 2 commandments. Also changing the real Saturday Sabbath to fake sunday sabbath.✝️
This video is excellent. I love how Mike tries very hard to make about principles and precepts and not bashing people and personalities. Good example Bro!
Free at Last, kudos to you as you accept the lessons in discernment from Mike Winger. Many Christians miss out on spiritual growth and depth of faith because they really like the “baby’s milk” of the “feel good” messages. You are showing your hunger for the MEAT of God’s Word and the Gospel of Christ. May God richly bless your desire to grow in Him.
No clearly you DONT have much to learn...any more than the rest of us. The scripture makes for a variety of examples and use your LOGOS (original Greek for the mistranslation of "word" meaning a combination of intellect, morality and intuition) to analyze those aspects of the scripture that do make sense.
@@ebuddha5 sweet encouragement for Free at Last. ❤ indeed, we can all learn much. One of the many reasons I enjoy watching Mike Winger. He is so clear in his efforts to help us all “think biblically”.
I’m a new subscriber because I just watched your 4 hour expose on Benny Hinn (superbly done, btw). I love that you always back up your criticism with Scripture, and not just a verse or 2, but the WHOLE context of the passage. I used to be a member of a church where, although it was doctrinally sound, there was almost a cult-like reverence of the pastor. People were afraid to criticize anything, and NO ONE questioned his behavior and attitude toward his staff. He was abusive and people feared him more than they feared God. I really appreciate these videos! Thank you for the time and prayerful consideration you give to them, and most importantly, ALWAYS using Scripture. The Word of God is all truth, and we are supposed to study to show ourselves approved, rightly dividing the Word of Truth. Be like the Bereans!!! I will never attend a church where the flock is not encouraged to have quiet time alone with the Lord, and to study His Word!
Thank you Mike for this video. Three things:
- I heard this Osteen sermon on XM radio driving to work as I was going through a painful divorce. Osteen’s words were a huge help for me in this difficult time.
- what you pointed out is incredibly important. The danger of allowing charismatic people falsely teaching the word.
- how let down I am with Osteen that he had his people complain to TH-cam to remove your prior video. Today’s video is not offensive in any way. It’s simply teaching the Bible.
When ppl say Joel's message help them YES I'm sure ppl / you could be going through pretty painful time in your life so yes we can be very very open in our pain and grab onto things that can help so yes a motivational pep talk can help but it has nothing to do with him or his message being the gospel which he doesn't it just happens it was Joel you were listening to instead of the other thousands of motivational speakers whom also could have said something for you to grab onto during a very painful time in your life but true biblical hope and motivation based on the foundation of Christ and the help of the spirit surpasses mere motivation talk sprinkled with some scriptures thrown in here and there
Its like the book the power of positive thinking.osteen missed his calling...a sympathic psychoanalist
'The danger of allowing charismatic people falsely teaching the word' *DO you see how many fallacies you made here? I can easily point them out. But CAN you? I'd suggest you analyze what YOU Said here.*
so Joel helped you in a difficult time and now your not happy about it lol.
Man, the determination on this man. LETS GO MIIIKE
Goooooooo ✊ Joel can't stop him now.
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@@akagrace91 Debunking catholicism
I'm more blessed than mary
Proof = Luke 11:27-28
27 And it happened, as He spoke these things, that a certain woman from the crowd raised her voice and said to Him, “Blessed is the womb that bore You, and the breasts which nursed You!”
28 But He said, “More than that, blessed are those who hear the word of God and keep it!”
In Luke 11:27 that random woman LITERALLY said Jesus your mother is Blessed, but are Lord Jesus LITERALLY said Believers are more Blessed than mary. Amen and Amen
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CHRIST alone
John 14:6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.
ACTS 4:12 Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.”
There is only One Mediator between God and men, LORD Jesus Christ= 1 Timothy 2:5
For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus.
Hebrew 9:15 And for this reason He is the Mediator of the new covenant, by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant, that those who are called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance.
Hebrew 12:24 to Jesus the Mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling that speaks better things than that of Abel.
Hebrew 8:6 But now He has obtained a more excellent ministry, inasmuch as He is also Mediator of a better covenant, which was established on better promises.
Ephesians 2:18 For through Him we both have access by One Spirit to the Father
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Work of God =
John 6:28 Then they said to Him, “What shall we do, that we may work the works of God?”
29 Jesus answered and said to them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He sent.”
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1 Timothy 3:2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, temperate, sober-minded, of good behavior, hospitable, able to teach
Paul allows bishops to get marry, but catholic church goes against paul.
Now these catholic will give a Verses from 1 Corinthians7 to say that paul gave the advice to stay unmarried. But they will not tell you that the same chapter they quote says 1 Corinthians 7:28 "even if you do marry, you have not SINNED". The passage literally says "young women, young men" and a bishop is supposed to be a Church ELDER. Mic drop
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Jesus said Matthew 23:9
9 Do not call anyone on earth your father; for One is your Father, He who is in heaven.
And also said Holy Father to Heavenly Father= John 17:11
11 Now I am no longer in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to You. Holy Father, keep through Your name those whom You have given Me, that they may be one as We are.
Jesus said call no one Father but still catholics call *pope holy father.
Sad
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Whenever a catholic argue about mary being the mother of God
Use this to defeat the argument.
Luke 8:21 But He answered and said to them, “My mother and My brothers are these who hear the word of God and do it.”
Matthew 12:46-50
46 While He was still talking to the multitudes, behold, His mother and brothers stood outside, seeking to speak with Him. 47 Then one said to Him, “Look, Your mother and Your brothers are standing outside, seeking to speak with You.”
48 But He answered and said to the one who told Him, “Who is My mother and who are My brothers?” 49 And He stretched out His hand toward His disciples and said, “Here are My mother and My brothers! 50 For whoever does the will of My Father in heaven is My brother and sister and mother.”.
Mark 3:35 For whoever does the will of God is My brother and My sister and mother.”
John 19:26-27
26 When Jesus therefore saw His mother, and the disciple whom He loved standing by, He said to His mother, “Woman, behold your son!” 27 Then He said to the disciple, “Behold your mother!” And from that hour that disciple took her to his own home. ( Jesus basically said John is the son of mary, and mary is the mother of John from that time onwards).
By the way sarah is the mother of all proof=Galatians 4:21-26.
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We should not pray to apostles
Romans 1:25
25 who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.
Acts 10:25-26
25 As Peter was coming in, Cornelius met him and fell down at his feet and worshiped him. 26 But Peter lifted him up, saying, “Stand up; I myself am also a man.”
Acts 14:15
15 and saying, “Men, why are you doing these things? We also are men with the same nature as you, and preach to you that you should turn from these useless things to the living God, who made the heaven, the earth, the sea, and all things that are in them,
Revelation 19:10
10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. But he said to me, “See that you do not do that! I am your fellow servant, and of your brethren who have the testimony of Jesus. Worship God! For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.”
Revelation 22:8-9
8 Now I, John, saw and heard these things. And when I heard and saw, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel who showed me these things.
9 Then he said to me, “See that you do not do that. For I am your fellow servant, and of your brethren the prophets, and of those who keep the words of this book. Worship God."
Colossians 2:18
18 Let no one cheat you of your reward, taking delight in false humility and worship of angels, intruding into those things which he has not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,
You cannot go to Father through saints nor mary, you can only go to the Father through Lord Jesus Christ= John 14:6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.
Ephesians 2:18 For through Him we both have access by one Spirit to the Father.
Holy Spirit intercedes for us=Romans 8:26
26 Likewise the Spirit also helps in our weaknesses. For we do not know what we should pray for as we ought, but the Spirit Himself makes intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
And CHRIST as well=Romans 8:34
34 Who is he who condemns? It is Christ who died, and furthermore is also risen, who is even at the right hand of God, who also makes intercession for us.
Hebrews 7:25
25 Therefore He is also able to save to the uttermost those who come to God through Him, since He always lives to make intercession for them.
It's Christ and Holy Spirit who intercedes for us not apostles
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Apostles are allowed to marry,
1 Corinthians 9:1-5
1 Am I not an apostle? Am I not free? Have I not seen Jesus Christ our Lord? Are you not my work in the Lord? 2 If I am not an apostle to others, yet doubtless I am to you. For you are the seal of my apostleship in the Lord.
3 My defense to those who examine me is this: 4 Do we have no right to eat and drink? 5 Do we have no right to take along a believing wife, as do also the other apostles, the brothers of the Lord, and Cephas?
If Peter (peter is cephas read John 1:42) the so called "first pope" was married, why does the catholic church doesn't allow "pope" to marry?
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The so called vicar of christ/ pope/holy father Peter called himself a fellow elder in 1 Peter 5:1, and as per the qualifications of elder in Titus 1:5-9 the elder is allowed to get married; then why does the "pope" is required to be celibate and catholic? ( when Peter was neither celibate nor catholic).
1)Peter was not perfect human nor was he a perfect disciple
2)He sank down while walking on water
3)Our Lord said to peter get behind me satan
4)Peter reject our Lord 3 times
5)Our Lord rebuked Peter for calling fire from heaven
6)Our Lord rebuked Peter when he cut of the soilders ear
7)Paul rebuked Peter for being hypocrite because he was acting different in front of Jews and different in front of gentiles.
8) Moses messed up, and he was a important part of Bible ( that's why he never entered the promised land),
9)David messed up ( and he has the Holy Spirit),
10)King Soloman messed up,
11) Saul messed up and God regretted the decision (1 Samuel 15:10-11).
Hatrick (Saul then David then Soloman back to back messed up)
12)The apostles run away a day before Lord Jesus got locked up.
13)The early church messed up Rev 2:18-20, 1 Corinthians, Galatians.
14) Apostle John when receiving Revelation worshiped an angel and the angel said "see you do not do that. Worship GOD" Revelation 22:8-9
If these great people could mess up, why do you think the catholic church wouldn't mess up.
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Galatians 4:21-26
21 Tell me, you who desire to be under the law, do you not hear the law? 22 For it is written that Abraham had two sons: the one by a bondwoman, the other by a freewoman. 23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born according to the flesh, and he of the freewoman through promise, 24 which things are symbolic. For these are the two covenants: the one from Mount Sinai which gives birth to bondage, which is Hagar- 25 for this Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia, and corresponds to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children- 26 but the Jerusalem above is free, which is the mother of us all.
Sarah is mother of all, Not mary
Also the Church has many name like Christians, Evangelists, Children of God, Believers, servents of God, bride of Christ, but not once the Church is called catholics
Changed the 10 commandments by deleting 2nd commandment, and dividing the 10th into 2 commandments. Also changing the real Saturday Sabbath to fake sunday sabbath.
I am rooting for you, Mike! Joel should have treated you like a Christian brother!
@@mynameis......23
Friend, as much as I want people to be drawn out of Catholicism, it’s poor etiquette to copy paste the same, long comment on everyone’s comments. If you could, could you just post it in the main comment section-and only reply to comments with things related to their comments?
My brother, you take the undue attacks in stride, and still maintain humorous positivity! You are a blessing!
"Positivity" isn't Bilbical, just fyi
One of the most humble teachers of the Word!!!
it definitely shows something on osteens side, just how the kings or people would try to kill Gods prophets to shut them up, osteen is doing something wrong here...
@@DiggitySlice Debunking catholicism
I'm more blessed than mary
Proof = Luke 11:27-28
27 And it happened, as He spoke these things, that a certain woman from the crowd raised her voice and said to Him, “Blessed is the womb that bore You, and the breasts which nursed You!”
28 But He said, “More than that, blessed are those who hear the word of God and keep it!”
In Luke 11:27 that random woman LITERALLY said Jesus your mother is Blessed, but are Lord Jesus LITERALLY said Believers are more Blessed than mary. Amen and Amen
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CHRIST alone
John 14:6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.
ACTS 4:12 Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.”
There is only One Mediator between God and men, LORD Jesus Christ= 1 Timothy 2:5
For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus.
Hebrew 9:15 And for this reason He is the Mediator of the new covenant, by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant, that those who are called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance.
Hebrew 12:24 to Jesus the Mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling that speaks better things than that of Abel.
Hebrew 8:6 But now He has obtained a more excellent ministry, inasmuch as He is also Mediator of a better covenant, which was established on better promises.
Ephesians 2:18 For through Him we both have access by One Spirit to the Father
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Work of God =
John 6:28 Then they said to Him, “What shall we do, that we may work the works of God?”
29 Jesus answered and said to them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He sent.”
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1 Timothy 3:2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, temperate, sober-minded, of good behavior, hospitable, able to teach
Paul allows bishops to get marry, but catholic church goes against paul.
Now these catholic will give a Verses from 1 Corinthians7 to say that paul gave the advice to stay unmarried. But they will not tell you that the same chapter they quote says 1 Corinthians 7:28 "even if you do marry, you have not SINNED". The passage literally says "young women, young men" and a bishop is supposed to be a Church ELDER. Mic drop
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Jesus said Matthew 23:9
9 Do not call anyone on earth your father; for One is your Father, He who is in heaven.
And also said Holy Father to Heavenly Father= John 17:11
11 Now I am no longer in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to You. Holy Father, keep through Your name those whom You have given Me, that they may be one as We are.
Jesus said call no one Father but still catholics call *pope holy father.
Sad
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Whenever a catholic argue about mary being the mother of God
Use this to defeat the argument.
Luke 8:21 But He answered and said to them, “My mother and My brothers are these who hear the word of God and do it.”
Matthew 12:46-50
46 While He was still talking to the multitudes, behold, His mother and brothers stood outside, seeking to speak with Him. 47 Then one said to Him, “Look, Your mother and Your brothers are standing outside, seeking to speak with You.”
48 But He answered and said to the one who told Him, “Who is My mother and who are My brothers?” 49 And He stretched out His hand toward His disciples and said, “Here are My mother and My brothers! 50 For whoever does the will of My Father in heaven is My brother and sister and mother.”.
Mark 3:35 For whoever does the will of God is My brother and My sister and mother.”
John 19:26-27
26 When Jesus therefore saw His mother, and the disciple whom He loved standing by, He said to His mother, “Woman, behold your son!” 27 Then He said to the disciple, “Behold your mother!” And from that hour that disciple took her to his own home. ( Jesus basically said John is the son of mary, and mary is the mother of John from that time onwards).
By the way sarah is the mother of all proof=Galatians 4:21-26.
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We should not pray to apostles
Romans 1:25
25 who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.
Acts 10:25-26
25 As Peter was coming in, Cornelius met him and fell down at his feet and worshiped him. 26 But Peter lifted him up, saying, “Stand up; I myself am also a man.”
Acts 14:15
15 and saying, “Men, why are you doing these things? We also are men with the same nature as you, and preach to you that you should turn from these useless things to the living God, who made the heaven, the earth, the sea, and all things that are in them,
Revelation 19:10
10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. But he said to me, “See that you do not do that! I am your fellow servant, and of your brethren who have the testimony of Jesus. Worship God! For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.”
Revelation 22:8-9
8 Now I, John, saw and heard these things. And when I heard and saw, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel who showed me these things.
9 Then he said to me, “See that you do not do that. For I am your fellow servant, and of your brethren the prophets, and of those who keep the words of this book. Worship God."
Colossians 2:18
18 Let no one cheat you of your reward, taking delight in false humility and worship of angels, intruding into those things which he has not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,
You cannot go to Father through saints nor mary, you can only go to the Father through Lord Jesus Christ= John 14:6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.
Ephesians 2:18 For through Him we both have access by one Spirit to the Father.
Holy Spirit intercedes for us=Romans 8:26
26 Likewise the Spirit also helps in our weaknesses. For we do not know what we should pray for as we ought, but the Spirit Himself makes intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
And CHRIST as well=Romans 8:34
34 Who is he who condemns? It is Christ who died, and furthermore is also risen, who is even at the right hand of God, who also makes intercession for us.
Hebrews 7:25
25 Therefore He is also able to save to the uttermost those who come to God through Him, since He always lives to make intercession for them.
It's Christ and Holy Spirit who intercedes for us not apostles
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Apostles are allowed to marry,
1 Corinthians 9:1-5
1 Am I not an apostle? Am I not free? Have I not seen Jesus Christ our Lord? Are you not my work in the Lord? 2 If I am not an apostle to others, yet doubtless I am to you. For you are the seal of my apostleship in the Lord.
3 My defense to those who examine me is this: 4 Do we have no right to eat and drink? 5 Do we have no right to take along a believing wife, as do also the other apostles, the brothers of the Lord, and Cephas?
If Peter (peter is cephas read John 1:42) the so called "first pope" was married, why does the catholic church doesn't allow "pope" to marry?
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The so called vicar of christ/ pope/holy father Peter called himself a fellow elder in 1 Peter 5:1, and as per the qualifications of elder in Titus 1:5-9 the elder is allowed to get married; then why does the "pope" is required to be celibate and catholic? ( when Peter was neither celibate nor catholic).
1)Peter was not perfect human nor was he a perfect disciple
2)He sank down while walking on water
3)Our Lord said to peter get behind me satan
4)Peter reject our Lord 3 times
5)Our Lord rebuked Peter for calling fire from heaven
6)Our Lord rebuked Peter when he cut of the soilders ear
7)Paul rebuked Peter for being hypocrite because he was acting different in front of Jews and different in front of gentiles.
8) Moses messed up, and he was a important part of Bible ( that's why he never entered the promised land),
9)David messed up ( and he has the Holy Spirit),
10)King Soloman messed up,
11) Saul messed up and God regretted the decision (1 Samuel 15:10-11).
Hatrick (Saul then David then Soloman back to back messed up)
12)The apostles run away a day before Lord Jesus got locked up.
13)The early church messed up Rev 2:18-20, 1 Corinthians, Galatians.
14) Apostle John when receiving Revelation worshiped an angel and the angel said "see you do not do that. Worship GOD" Revelation 22:8-9
If these great people could mess up, why do you think the catholic church wouldn't mess up.
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Galatians 4:21-26
21 Tell me, you who desire to be under the law, do you not hear the law? 22 For it is written that Abraham had two sons: the one by a bondwoman, the other by a freewoman. 23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born according to the flesh, and he of the freewoman through promise, 24 which things are symbolic. For these are the two covenants: the one from Mount Sinai which gives birth to bondage, which is Hagar- 25 for this Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia, and corresponds to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children- 26 but the Jerusalem above is free, which is the mother of us all.
Sarah is mother of all, Not mary
Also the Church has many name like Christians, Evangelists, Children of God, Believers, servents of God, bride of Christ, but not once the Church is called catholics
Changed the 10 commandments by deleting 2nd commandment, and dividing the 10th into 2 commandments. Also changing the real Saturday Sabbath to fake sunday sabbath.
@@DiggitySlice it is
Philippians 4:8. Finally, brothers and sisters, whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable-if anything is excellent or praiseworthy-THINK ABOUT SUCH THINGS.
Wow. I had so much to say after this video - especially after reading some seriously thoughtful back-and-forth commentary from about a year ago. So, I typed & edited & quoted ... but by the time I was almost done, I was in tears (due to reflection) and I couldn't really even remember what my whole point was ... so I deleted it ... except to say, "Thank you!" to you Pastor Mike and to all the seriously thoughtful students of your ministry here on the Tube. (Oh, and maybe just challenge my ability to create the most excruciating run-on sentences.) Mostly, thank you for reminding me it's just not "about me", not in the little picture of the day-to-day, nor the big picture of my "goals & achievements" & "what am I here for?"s
Now, I MUST go back & re-read the books of Samuel. ❤😊
Thank you, Brother you were mild and honorable in your presentation. Thank you, I stop listening to Joel years ago when I was following along in my Bible and he misquoted scripture. From that point on I never looked at ministers the same. Brothers and Sisters, I can't express enough how important it is for you to know the Bible for yourself. The Holy Spirit will guide you through it 🙏🏾
I find it rather odd that Osteen tells us to "let it go" but yet he himself refuses to "let it go."
@@kolo2888 he didn't belittle him in words, but he most certainly did in actions.
@@scotthewins5341 That's not belittling. You listen to Wringer too much. You've adopted his habit of publicly criticizing a minister based on flimsy allegations. Read Roman's 14 and Titus.: Don't be factious and don't be criticizing someone not in your lane.
@BitsyBee seriously? Ever listen to Osteen for more than 2 sermons, I mean motivational talks? The gospel he shares is not found in the Bible. It's self centered, not Christ centered.
@@BitsyBeeFlimsy? If you read your Bible, you would be appalled at Osteen's teaching.
@@kolo2888Osteen can't belittle anyone because it would discredit his own false teaching that everyone is good.
I feel so sad. Not of anything against your video, but because through hearing and watching your biblical analysis I realized how easy it has been for me to blunt the gospel in my times of instructing others. How easy it is to be just the life coach instead of really unashamedly teaching the gospel, including the calls to repentance and self sacrifice. Thank you for persevering to release this video. I have a lot to think about.
I feel the same. Gotta keep the standard held very high when it comes to preaching and teacher. There will be great judgment for those who don't.
Plus, it makes one a much better/ effective witness to accurately explain the Scriptures.
@justin Lee, this is why I’m not a fan of this particular video. I’m a huge fan of Pastor Mike but it seems you have inferred the same thing I did from Pastor Mike which is expository preaching is the only way to preach everything else is diluting the gospel. I’m not sure that is accurate. If we can not take the word and apply it to our own lives how are we to use the Bible to change the way we are thinking, how are we to walk in right standing. If we take this approach on all of scripture than the majority of the Bible is mostly only telling us history and we should not infer any personal revelation on how we can better live more like Christ. I mean in this thinking the whole Old Testament is doing nothing more than teaching us what happened because most things in there doesn’t speak to us directly. I think it is a slippery slope when we say you can not infer other meanings and revelation from the text besides the literal translation. If that’s the case no one should have any opinions and when they preach they should only read the word out loud and keep their on thoughts out of it. That means most christian books are worthless if it’s not an expository communication of biblical meaning. I love Pastor Mike but I’m on the fence with this one.
I agree. I’m a fan of Ps Mike’s analysis of the Bible and in some cases “prophetic ministries.” I also agree that self-help ministries can often do the opposite, where Christians are strung along by the notion of a Santa Claus God. However… Ps Mike you opposed Osteen’s teaching when he said “If David had stuck around to argue with his brother he would have missed his destiny. (Paraphrasing).” Yet later you did the same thing when you said had David not been a Shepard he wouldn’t have wrote “the Lord is my Shepard.” Jesus was a carpenter but so many of his stories were about shepherding, not carpentry. I think it’s okay to make observations about life, and enjoy how the Bible might apply to these human insights and the human condition. In another place you opposed Osteen implying that Peter was known to be cantankerous. But there was no evidence biblically to substantiate that. Then later you mentioned how Peter was crucified upside down and Paul was beheaded “according to tradition”. Surely we can afford the same thing to Osteen. This video did feel like an argument about the trees and missing the forest.
In any case, I agree with the general thrust of your message, and I’ve seen first hand the damage that can be caused from lifestyle teaching, and dangling “breakthroughs” in front of people in pain. I’m glad you made this video, and persevered. But do let the stories breathe a little. We humans enjoy a good parable, and we look for the insights, not the verbatim.
Final example, I also lost a baby. And the story of David in the Bible grieving actually helped me with my grieving process. I also questioned whether my sins were the cause (obviously not, but when you’re grieving everything goes through your mind.) If I had watched this video before that time, I would have “surgically removed” God’s healing message for me.The Body of Christ needs its own checks and balances which is what Paul did for Peter, and you are doing for Joel. So I hope that this comment and the comments of others, does the same for you. My regret was that I had not written an affirming comment first, because your ministry has brought much healing and learning to my walk. Love you man.
@@ej7830 In your comment, you pre-suppose that we can change ourselves. We can't. We are who we are and only the spirit of the Lord can change us even slightly. Therefore, yes, we should infer no other meaning on Scripture than what it says but is says a lot. If one would read the historical Books with the understanding of their context -- which requires the study of ancient history -- one will realize that Biblical history really is teaching us ethics -- what is right, and what it wrong. If 'X' is done, 'Y' is the outcome, people in power usually serve themselves before others, and injustice is the norm in this life, but God condemns it. By knowing this, one has the opportunity to make wise decisions in every area of one's life that please the Lord and are to the person's and society's benefit. However, not all of the Bible is about History but morality -- on how we should then live. The big lie that Osteen and other preachers like him perpetuate by misappropriating Scripture is that "you have a destiny," "you have a purpose," "God is all about fulfilling your dreams," etc.. This sort of rubbish does nothing but cause dissatisfaction with one's life. We subconsciously think, "If I do what he/she says, I'll be rich and happy like him/her, and wear expensive clothes and jewelry, and people will come after me to learn how I got where I am, too, and my life will count!" -- as if one's life doesn't matter if one isn't rich, famous and well-traveled, with the movie star looks, and that's not true at all. In a nutshell, we're called to obscurity, quietness, and the mundane living of everyday life fulfilling the demands of each day with grace, love (look at what that entails!), humility, and the fear of the Lord.
@@vocalpelican I can appreciate your response but it seems to be contradicting itself.... In the beginning of the statement, you say "we can change ourselves" ......Then two sentences later you say " Biblical history really is teaching us ethics -- what is right, and what it wrong. If 'X' is done, 'Y' is the outcome" ....Which implies if we do X then we get a Y result.... So we have the power to change ourselves and our situation from positive to negative.... Look i understand what you are saying but the reality is we play a role in changing our lives. Now God is the one with the power but we are the ones with the choice to choose that power or reject it. SO no we dont have the power to change ourselves but we play a part in the change.
Also you made my point with this statement "By knowing this, one has the opportunity to make wise decisions in every area of one's life that please the Lord and are to the person's and society's benefit. " This is the inferring I am speaking of. God doesnt speak to our specific situation but through the history of the text, we can infer what to do or not to do based on the lessons we have learned from scripture.
What does the bible say about how to use social media? It doesnt say anything dire.... Does that mean we dont have an answer? Well according to your logic of "we should infer no other meaning on Scripture than what it says" Then that means we cant answer that question directly but we can infer what we should do based on the history of the text and the life of Christ. This is all I am saying. We need to leave room for interpretation and if there is no room for interpretation then whats the point of Pastors or teachers or apostles ....3/5 of the 5 fold ministry would be useless because we would just say read the book.
Thank you so much Pastor Mike! This video is greatly appreciated. Joel Osteen, unlike his Dad John Osteen who was a bible based preacher, has sadly embraced this New Age/Life Coach stance and rather than preach what the bible actually teaches us, he resorts to being a motivational speaker on a Sunday morning, with just a little addition about accepting Jesus as your personal Savior at the end of his speech. This trend has taken off with many other 'life coach preachers' who are in actual fast motivational speakers, cheering their audience on to achieving their own dreams and goals, the focus on self rather than on God, and HIS will and plan for your life and living in obedience to what He has called you to do. Joel takes the safe path, to please his audiences (both onsite and online) and to show them how they can achieve more for themselves, and the bible is just another 'motivational book' to support his presentation. This half baked, diluted, watered down 'gospel presentation' is highly dangerous and I am so glad I have walked away from speakers like him and others, and now only listen to bible based preachers who present the gospel as it is in the bible, and use it to help us to become God-focused. God bless you, your ministry and thank you for taking the time to present these videos.
I’m only 14 minutes into this & getting sooo much out of this !! I have to backtrack & make notes of the integrity of God’s word for personal application. There is a fine line when interpreting & applying scripture correctly - & it’s vitally important to get it right !!! Thank you Mike for all the effort you put into this 👍💝
Take notes, BTWN and Doctrinal Watchdog! This is how you do REAL discernment teaching.
The guy behind Doctrinal Watchdog has made racist statements before and did not repent... I wonder if BTWN knows who he is in bed with
Yes!! This how it should be done.
WORD! 👏 💯
You do understand mike considers these false teachers his friends and brother. Like you understand that right? Do you not understand that Paul commands us not to this?
YES, THANK YOU
Wow....this is why we need to read the Bible for ourselves
And work out our own SALVATION WITH FEAR AND TREMBLING OF THE LORD.............WITH FEAR AND TREMBLING OF THE LORD.......
Agree with you 💯%
Go ahead, start your own tax free tithing!!! Church!
My son read the whole Bible as a teenager. We are no religion. He was just curious and he's very intelligent. Now, at 48 years old, it's fascinating to hear him respond to people who use it to justify their evil politics. He's very patient and kind. I'm so proud of him.
And find out how SEXIST it is. How scary it is and not so HOLY!
Wow! This is insaaaane! So telling of where we are as a society. As a baby Christian it is so easy to fall for these feel good types of things. It's sad because even if you can't put your finger on why it's wrong, you can still sense its off somehow, at least, if you know the Bible at all.
Thank you so much for putting this up the third time, so very succinct and puts the finger right on all the wrong things!
I used to love to listen to Joel but it dawned on me one day as I was listening that he's a motivational speaker. He's not really preaching but telling his congratulations what they want to hear as opposed to what they need to hear. Thank you for your analysis of his sermons.
I mean congregation not congratulations.
@@normaferguson5924Norma you can edit your original post by touching the three dots to the upper right of the message you wrote, then correcting the word "congregation" and then you can delete the additional correction note... God bless you!
*Joel team seeing his pic in the thumbnail *
SLAPS THE COPYRIGHT CLAIM BUTTON
Please no!
They can try 🤣
Someone needs to sue him
No, it’s not boring to read scripture. Thank you Mike for what you do.
Agreed! Never boring!
You’re so right! I used to think it was “boring”. Like a textbook. I just didn’t understand how to properly study & once you do it’s amazing!
For most of history, humans were killed for even believing the Scriptures….only for most people not to open the Scriptures
@@Turtle42082~🕊⚘🌿Amen, God is awesome and if you can receive it, he has a great sense of humor as well!🥰❤🙏🏽🤣
I did notice that Joel takes a chapter and speaks about it, but he doesn't explicitly mention any verses.... he refers to them.. This is the opposite of Exigesis , but its just another way to interpret the bible... I think there needs to be a healthy mixture of taking the bible literally, and then taking the bible broadly.
I haven't even got through the intro and I am already excited about the many people this teaching is going to help Pastor Mike. You're truly gifted and we need your teaching and preaching in these times of confusion and misuse of the Holy Bible, Jesus' teaching and God's commands. I am praying for this video to stay put (love the stick figures by the way) and help others like me out of deception - your commitment to preaching the truth has been instrumental. Expose this darkness to the light of our Lord and Saviour. Your humility, genuine humour and love for Jesus are so evident. Now I'm going to watch, probably see Moxy, pray for Mrs Mike and the team and be bolstered by your encouragement and faith in Jesus' mighty name, amen.
Sooo... Joel Osteen teaches about always being forgiving, about not harboring grudges, about letting resentment go - and then tries to shut up and take down anyone who's critical of him.
*No. Thats not how that works. See? Mike Winger is doing the VERY thing he is accusing Olsteen of doing. The way this copyright strike thing works is you have a few large umbrella firms that use AI to search YT for anything that looks like it might be a Copyright violation & then those firms file copyright strikes. Why? To stay in business because its the service they offer. Olsteen had nothing to do with this.*
I understand what you're saying & yes that's exactly what Osteen does. Hypocrisy is running rampant in the church
@@elained7006 rubbish.
I have attended Lakewood off and on for many years. After viewing your first video it really opened my eyes to how his teaching isn’t teaching. I’ve had issues with it before, but couldn’t explain it or see it the way you explain it. I truly appreciate all the videos you have done on this topic.
Same here! And no one could tell me why he was a false teacher they just said he’s too positive, without any details and breakdown! 👏🏼👏🏼
Joel Osteen is nothing more than a motivational speaker. He preaches the prosperity
" gospel".. meaning if you have enough faith and send me money, God will bless you!! When actually, you'll be lining my pockets with all your money, and you'll still be poor, probably even poorer, and i will become insanely rich!!!. He and other TV personalities don't care about people on a personal level. It's abhorrent that they do this and have no concern about it. God will not be mocked and they will be judged for leading people astray!! 🙏
Your comment blessed me. Thank you and praying for continued spiritual blessings. Praise the Only Living Elyon.
"pure positivity is like eating sugar for dinner...it's going to get you sick." Nice!
AGREE😂
Absolutely….SO TRUE! 🙌
Too funny, it took a minute when you held up stick Joel O, but that made my day.
On a serious note, I have issues with forgiveness, I sometimes give feedback to people who have CPTSD, about different symptoms (for lack of a better description) on how it is impacting their life. These are usually on secular formats, which some prohibit any discussion of religion bc some have become victimized at the hand of man, male or female, using the veil of religion improperly.
My stance has always been, you are not required to forgive, but you do need to find a way to let go of the situation, so you don't dwell on it, where it interferes in your life.
Some see forgiveness as I can't have hurt, anger etc about a situation. But I did have anger about someone trying to kill my father, trust me I thought about the best ways to hurt them for years. Then a good friend, who was a former vet turned police officer, told me "having to kill someone isn't all it's cracked up to be". I was in the military for over 20 years, so I understood what he meant. Killing in revenge, hurting people in revenge doesn't right a wrong and doesn't heal what you have been through. I have had my own traumas which I am not discussing here, I will just say having dreams of someone trying to kill you 3-4 nights a week, as a fourteen year old, for over a year wasn't fun.
Thank you for the brief discussion at the beginning about forgiveness, it brought out another point about forgiveness and what it should be about.
I have prayed about this over the years, it has been a long process. But I am coming closer to that true forgiveness. After 55+ years, my CPTSD seems better also, hopefully that is permanent.
I am very grateful to have had a chance to see this video today. *** While i have been wary of Mr. Osteen for some time, i really appreciate how you took the time to pull out each verse and demonstrate how it was in context, and how it was misused. Thank you brother.
Totally watching this for the third time just to watch you reading Joel's quotes (and for the algorithm). Only slightly disappointed you didn't try to read them in Joel's voice.
Me, too!
Well Mike did change his inflection so I think he was trying some 🤣
😂
Heehee
I know, right? A Joel Osteen mask or wig would have really set this off.
I admire that you take your experience, mixed with a little humor, and allow God to give you wisdom to defend the faith and glorify Him. Thanks for your persistence to get this message out.
Do you know his heart? How do you know he let's God give him wisdom?
Thank you! That ending was hilarious! I was listening to pastor Osteen’s messages but they never seemed to settle well in my head. I have started reading the Bible my self and WOW it is definitely changing my life.
Thank you for your persistence!
This reminds me of when I was reading books to my preschoolers and sometimes the "story with a lesson" books were really horrifying. The lesson would be, "I share my toys with my friends so that they will share with me" or something along those lines. It seemed so mercenary and unlike real friendship.
I ended up crossing out words and changing to something like, "I share my toys with my friends, and my friends share their toys with me. It's fun to play with friends." Which takes the motive out altogether and is more "here's what reality looks like".
👇This many people appreciate Mike's determination and not backing down.
I used to be an elder at a church and I learned much about being a pastor. It is not only a good message on Sunday, it includes visiting the elderly, the sick, the homeless, the hungry. Sometimes a pastor will neglect these things. I feel these are more important than a good sermon.
Nothing will help if the Gospel preached is false.
Amen. You on to something major the Church needs to grasp. How can a church of 100-150 have 4 "pastors" and all want to preach and go to retreats and mission trip, but no one wants to visit or call newcomers....and the elderly and disabled just expected to keep up or watch online. One must scan in when in attendance surrounded by serious-faced security guards (2-3) too.
(man, times have sure changed...
so many think this normal and a-okay)
Every Christian is supposed to care for the poor, sick, hungry and homeless. A pastor can not do his own job and the job that his church is supposed to do.
There is such a thing called "servant leadership" and it is exactly what Jesus did.
@@timothy6828 We are all the church and we are all called to be ambassadors for Christ. The pastor may have a calling to be able to speak and be understood in a way that you may not, but his role is the same as yours none the less; to spread the Good News and to be the hands and feet of Jesus.
Grateful you are trying to keep this analysis up, Mike.
I am so happy this video is still up! I have been able to share with several associates that watch Joel on a regular basis.😖
Mike, I hope this one isn't taken down. But if it is, my vote is to next time use puppets. It'd be poetic justice.
Puppets!! 😂😂
Or Joel face cut outs 😂
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I wasn't able to get to watch the other two videos before they were taken down. So I knew I had to jump on this one real quick. Haha
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When you’re reading Osteen’s material you got his voice’s lilt and cadence down perfectly. Don’t know if it was intentional, but you nailed it.
Great work Mike. I thought it funny though that the further into this it seemed you started sounding more and more like Joel when reading his part.
I LOVE when you show us the verses in the BIBLE 💕 Thank you for your teaching. I pray that you stay humble, loving, bold and for our Lord to keep giving you guidance and wisdom!
I do too
Glad you're keeping at it!
Let them play their own silly copyright game, you keep being a great example of faithfulness to the Scripture.
What struck me about Osteen's copyright game is how it demonstrated his worldliness...
I like many others here could never quite put my finger on what felt off about Osteen. Excellent analysis! So appreciated.
Honestly the first half of the video I was kind of struggling to understand what you meant or how you were interpreting the verses differently but by the second half I definitely got the theme and feel a touch more confident that I could identify this sort of distortion on my own in the future.
By the last 5 minutes and the conclusion points you make it's really quite clear.
As others mentioned I love that there's no attack in the video and you're perfectly comfortable saying when he does things well and even welcoming people to disagree with you.
This to me is the mark of real confidence and faith
Thank you for this deep dive.
It's important to know who is teaching these sefl-affirming, self-indulgent, word of faith, law of attraction type of messages.
Love your persistence Mike! These are warnings and cautions that believers need to be aware of.
As a fellow pastor, I say a big "Amen" to your teaching, Mike! Superb job!
I bet you have a little congregation and most of them drink alcohol and are sleeping around.
Yay! I'm glad to see this video is still up! Just had to check. 😅
Mike, thank you for posting this re: Joel. It’s our job as disciplines to warm the people of these wolves in sheep’s clothing. I will say I was on the Osteen bus when he first started…I can’t call it a ministry bc he’s never gone to seminary. I soon got ran off that bus..I read the Word of God for myself. If I wanted to stay listening to messages like Joel’s, I would have stayed a Catholic.
And, since then..Joel, too, lost me bc I have a hard time listening to a pastor/ preacher who’s had so much cosmetic surgery. Maybe, it’s just me but I think men need to look like and act like real men…like my hubby, Dad, brothers and sons. Again, it’s just me.
Dear brothers and sisters be more careful with whom you are having lead you in the Word of God…read the Word for yourselves.
God bless..pray we meet in heaven! 😀🙏❤️
I'm not a Christian, but I'm a strong defender of free speech and freedom of religion. Rooting for you, Mike!
Thanks for being here and defending his and our freedom of speech.
I’m glad you’re watching bro! God Bless you in the name of Jesus!
Glad your here God bless you I pray the Lord opens your eyes ❤
Join us! Trust in Jesus as Savior!
Believe on the Lord Jesus! He is mighty to save. What have you got to loose but for your burden of sin?
It's a blessing in disguise to be redoing this video. We're watching the same topic in 3 different ways and learning so much about discernment. Thanks for being such a great sport!
I did the first with you. I enjoyed our evaluation together. I hadn't heard him preach so playfully I evaluated with you. We were surprised at the time.
I keep coming back to this video to see if this video was pulled... Glad it is still here 12 days later!
This is hilarious! I want to say that I can't believe that a church or pastor can be so petty, but based on my own church experience I can. Unfortunately this is another sign of extreme narcissism within church organizations.
Yes and in a way isn’t it an admission that he knows what he’s teaching is wrong?
Exactly.
The church is already a great thing if done right, but when you see how much it can be messed up you’ll probably appreciate a good church so much more
Churches are led by and filled with flawed humans.
Are you referring to Pastor Mike as petty?
It is amazing to me that he is so popular and beloved. People really do want a positive message, instead of the truth.
Yes, we are blinded to how positive the truth really is
Because many who preach the truth don't say it lovingly.
Itching ears
I am always convicted of the truth when I hear something from him. Not sure what you mean by that.
The first I listened to by myself was recent and I've heard bad. But there were a few problems. Not many. It was about how satan attacks our self esteem. He tells us we are nothing and more. He is the oppressor...truth a d wish I knew years and years ago. He tells us mostly a way to fight back with outloud true scripture. I am a royal priesthood. But I had to write down more he didn't give us scripture truth everytime. PLUS I know he told us about reaching our destinany everything. God has plans for us and 1st to share the Good News. But so for to what I've listened too. He never says what our destinany might be?? I guess the JEREMIAH PLAN TO prosper US.. verse.. Which may or may not be for us now. But there are more.
Thanks for making such an effort on putting the Truth out there! God bless you all!
truth lol. please grow up.
Well, you not only nailed the look when playing Osteen -- orange is the new black -- but when you were quoting him you captured his cadence, too. Very funny! Poignant video well done. Good job!
Ohhhhhh, I can't WAIT to share with my husband when he gets home. We were just talking about this yesterday. Proud of you, Mike! God bless you.
This is so good. This is one of a few videos that you have done that I wouldn't have caught the subtlety of the error in teaching or the abuse in some of the Charismatic preachers who are using signs and wonders for bait.
Absolutely! I thought I knew the Bible quite well, and many of the ploys of false teachers, but still couldn't get exactly WHY some of the Osteen quotes were so very wrong and deceptive.
The serious level of commitment is awesome. I watched both the other videos but hoping to help the algorithm for this one as well!
Thank you for taking the time todo this, Brother! I appreciate you and love you so much! I pray God's favor, grace and mercy to you. Be well!
It’s honestly slightly hard to take you seriously when your holding the Joel Osteen stick figure sign 😂. I love your perseverance and your willingness to go out of your way to make these videos within the copyright laws!
Your videos and podcast have been a huge blessing to me! God bless you Mike!
Truth. He makes it a sarcasm hahah
I'd of done it while imitating Osteen. Badly, but still doing it.
You as Joel and Victoria with your paper signs are so perfect 😆 I’ve watched every iteration of this video and this is actually my favorite lol Good work! This is discernment ministry as it should be
I was hoping for a high pitched voice when he held up the Victoria sign 😂
I am enjoying your videos. I used to be a member of an evangelical church that embraced the likes of Osteen and Hinn and was part of a megachurch. I only left when they rejected me as not being as "Christian" as they were. It took me many years after that, and the intervention of my son who was a missionary in Africa for a few years - to see the distortions for what they were - and there is no worse evil - for its effects - than throwing lies into basic truth.
Please keep exposing these weaknesses in Christian ministries. Hopefully enough people will stop fearing the consequences of thinking for their own selves and questioning their leaders - and in particular, the understanding of "prosperity" as set out in the Bible vs a belief system that says that the more members you have and the more money the members send, the more praise the ministry should receive from God. Jesus spoke to the hearts of individuals, and God is not the promoter of mass marketers. Service to others, sacrificing through works, and not by the giving of $ alone, is true service to God's Heart.
Prosperity ministries misinterpret the scriptural reasons for God's granting of prosperity to His People. Jesus said the greatest commandment was to "Love the Lord thy God with all they heart, soul and mind and love thy neighbour as thyself". I do not believe prosperity ministers understand what that means. Biblical prosperity if NOT found in money. Prosperity is the "wealth" within - and its fruits - a loving family and friends, in a framework of service to others - being an example of how we as God's children are supposed to live our lives. Prosperity if found in the example we are to others, on a daily basis - being nice to the clerk in a store, helping our neighbour bring in her groceries. It is NOT found in just giving away money - even to a ministry that does good to strangers.
Job is a good example of someone who lost all but did not lose his faith. Would he have given in to prosperity ministries and donated all or most of his money to be right in God's Eyes? NO. In fact, God took his financial prosperity as well as his own family away so that he would understand the true Message.
My prayer is that more Christians will be able to separate the wheat from the chaff, as I try to do in my own imperfect life. Hinn and Olstein are still locked in a belief system that Jesus spoke against were He on earth today. (He turned over the tables of the money changers in the Temple.) I pray that Christians see that these ministries have mixed too much of the worldly into the Truth that Jesus preached. Watering down the truth that Jesus spoke and became Christianity through Paul, Peter and James, is worse than rejecting Jesus.
I can't say that I was able to watch the first two attempts even though I was subscribed when they came out but I am glad I watched this one. I knew I could come for a fair Biblical analysis no matter if you had Joel's clips or stick figure Joel lol, I just didn't watch watch the first two attempts. This is probably the most fair Biblical analysis of Joel and his teaching. Most would have kept it at 10 minutes, called him a heretic and been done with it. I appreciate the in depth look and fairness. Those two things are hard to come by in a video about someone's teaching these days.
Stick figure Joel 🤣
@@akagrace91 😂 Yeah that was a creative way to make sure no one could accuse Mike of affirming Joel’s words.
I thank God for giving me the eventual maturity in my faith in Him to finally ask Him to please bring someone into my life who rightly divides the Word. I prayed to discover this person, this teacher for several weeks (not long in terms of God's time). I finally came upon your videos. God is great, His Word is perfect and I'm thankful to know you Pastor Mike. Your servitude to our Lord is the good stuff. Thanks brother.
Your other vid was good, I'm sorry it got taken down 🙏 my family has loved him since I was little. All his books around the house growing up.
From an old subscriber you are a great teacher! Don’t think I missed a video from you! Your my inspiration! Love you pastor mike
18:00 - I watched the second version of this video. The way Mike quotes JO is more clear than when JO speaks himself. That clarity reveals the muk JO stirs. The soft soothing voice that can convince anyone of whatever he says. The tone communicates more positivity than clarity. "He must be right and good because his tone is good and speaks to me." This is the subconscious attitude of people who accept his teachings.
🙌 Glad you're redoing this, Mike.
I didn't know who JO was. I wasn't a Christian. One day I was channel surfing and for some reason I stopped on a JO sermon. I don't recall him asking for money, but I do recall him saying, find an evangelical, bible-based church. Later that week I was driving down the road and heard, as clearly as if someone were in the passenger seat, a voice say you're going to that church on Sunday. I looked to my passenger seat where the voice came from and out the window was a church I had never noticed set back from the road. I went home and told my husband, we're going to that church Sunday. We went and my journey to/with Jesus began that day. It is an evangelical, Bible based church. I accept that JO and the prosperity gospel are not of God, but the sermon that day spoke to something in my heart and today, I'm proud to claim myself a slave of Christ Jesus.
Mike...thank you for the immense amount of work you put into these videos to keep God's word the focus. This was seriously excellent 👏 I gained a lot.
That's a perfect ending summary of the danger of seeking life coach principles from the Bible -- making us "allergic to the Gospel."
Great content as always! Thanks Mike for your careful analysis! I've been trying to watch this video for a while now; I'm glad I got to listen and learn from it.
Hey Joel,. Don't let Mike's video sour your day. Learn to let it go.
This. :)
Lollll
Brilliant! I hope the Joel accent came with that! 😂
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Very good Mike. Please continue to do what you do, it's a great blessing to me!
THANK YOU for making this video. This helped me so much in discerning a lot of the confusion I was feeling in listening to teachers like Joel Osteen. There is a “life coach” gospel going around that affirms personal ambitions rather than knowing and honoring Christ. This was the clearest teaching I have ever heard separating a “feel good” gospel from the true teachings in scripture.
Pastor Mike, God has blessed you with so much creativity. Excellent work, praise the Lord!
Here's the idol example
The parts of reading scripture were most exciting to me. Thank you for including straight up reading the Bible in this video.
Yes! That’s what I love about these Bible guys who do these critiques. They read so much Bible and show and teach. Love it. So edifying ❤
Ruslan brought me here. I have a lot to learn but I'm optimistic. God bless you sir for your work. Liked and subscribed.
Thank you so much for showing us how to listen to messages with more discernment!
Love the Osteen Voice when you are “reading”
Thank you for insisting on getting this out there!
I think Joel really needs to "let go" of your critique of his sermon!!! 😁
LOL! Yeeees 🙌
EXACTLY! 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
I would never listen to Joel when I wanted to learn deep Bible truths but I have never been encouraged by anybody when I was in the depths of despair like I have Joel.
Same. Joel is the go to preacher during hard times for millions of people. Joel's minsitry is encouragement and love and he stays in his lane. He doesnt try and be anything else.
This was awesome! The clarity and examples, in full, from the bible directly, not in a "relatable personal story" or "interpretation that fits a narrative". Also, I've come to know - if people are trying to shut your rebuttal or questioning, of them, then their words hold no weight.
The truth doesn't need to be defended because it speaks for itself. If his teachings were to the bible, he'd have no fear of someone questioning them.
Also, can you imagine how much $$$$ that takes to fight in legal fees. Good thing he has "donors and offerings" to fund this
Praise God for you Pastor Mike.
Hi Pastor Mike,
Thank you for all of your work on this. I truly appreciate it. Years ago I had watch Joel a few times. Although I was a Christian, I wasn’t as knowledgeable about scripture but something about him didn’t sit well with me. I live in north Texas and I remember that he and his wife would make the news occasionally concerning some of the things that they did which also sent up red flags for me. All of that never made sense to me so I would change the channel when his tv program would air. After watching your video, I understand why I probably felt conflicted about him. Thanks again.
...l used to watch him before l got saved. I believed but I was not yet a Born Again, truly regenerated Christian. As soon as l got truly saved ( l was deceived) God showed me all those T.V. evangelist's were false teachers, except Dr. Charles Stanley. But when you are truly saved, l believe you desire real preaching, not a motivational speaker. He mentions God, but there's nothing of substance coming from Joel. And Victoria has said Blasphemous stuff about God. We love them when we are still dead in sin, but Born again, now we can no longer stand them. Seeing as they make merchandise of us, like Peter said. God Bless...📖🌷
Excellent video, Mike! I have a thought that I would ask that you consider - In 1 Samuel 17:39, the NKJV says: David fastened his sword to his armor and tried to walk, for he had not tested them. And David said to Saul, "I cannot walk with these, for I have not tested them." So David took them off." We always seem to read into this that David was too small for the armor but that is not said anywhere in the passage. Saul was the king and by all accounts, at this point, there is no reason to think he would make a ridiculous offer - like to offer his armor to someone it would never work for. We know that Saul was a big man. The passage doesn't comment at all on David's stature, just that he is a "youth" which doesn't necessarily mean he was a "boy". In fact, we can assume that David was quite a strapping young man after how he told his story of killing bears and lions. He is incredibly strong - just not battle seasoned because he is a shepherd. So Saul, a big man, sees fit to offer his own armor to David - quite an honour and not at all meant to be a silly gesture - as it would have been if David was small. The passage doesn't say "and the crowd rolleth their eyes, for the king could not discern David's size". No, the offer was appropriate and David's reason for rejecting the armor was not that it didn't fit. He never said that. He said "I cannot walk with these, for I have not tested them". In other words, David didn't have a chance to try it out and get used to it. He was a shepherd, not a soldier, so armor would have just slowed him down, messed up his agility. This is the guy who told us he fought bears and lions with his bare hands. He was slight - he was used to just wearing his own clothes and now was not the time to start learning how to work in armor :) God prepared David for this fight. No one in the crowd said he was too small. The reference was to his "youth". He was the youngest brother. We don't even know his age. But we have to assume that he was a big, strong guy who battled lions and bears with his bare hands while wearing his own clothes :) God bless you, Mike! I'm so glad I found your channel!
Thank you so much - I loved that you put the Bible on the screen so we can see it. Excellent job on calling out Obsteen !
You can do all these things that you dream of doing you just can't do them on TH-cam. TH-cam is the belly of the beast
It’s the only way to reach people though, all other platforms are inferior, nobody uses them.
TH-cam is tricky, sure, but calling it the belly of the beast is a bit much. It's worth being here, because this is where the people are.
Thank you, Pastor Mike, for your unwavering desire to speak the truth in love. This series of events has proven to me that you will not back down due to some major inconveniences, and you always manage to be very funny and lighthearted throughout the whole process. The fruit you bear is very noticeable, and your teachings will forever be a part of my history with Jesus. Thank you!
The little stickman you drew looks a lot like Joel! Same smile... Good critique Mike. Thumbs up
I agree with everything Mike says in this video and I especially liked the ending!
On the other hand I want to mention that God seemingly used Joel Osteen & Joyce Meyer in my salvation. I was practicing new age spirituality and law of attraction and I met a Christian who listened Joel & Joyce. I told my friend I believed ALL paths lead to heaven ; she said "That’s not what the Bible says." So I ended up investigating Christianity, making Jesus my Lord & Savior & denouncing the new age. I found out later from listening to Doreen Virtue (and later, Mike) about the false teachings of prosperity gospel/WOF. What about Philippians 1:17,18? Doesn't that basically mean that even though some people preach about Jesus for selfish ambition, Paul still rejoices because they are at least spreading information about Jesus. So can we point out false teaching, but at the same time acknowledge they do have some value and not be too critical of the individuals?
I'm actually grateful to Joel because I was attracted to his messages since his teaching is similar to law of attraction. There is NO GOSPEL at all in the new age arena and I wouldn't have had the opportunity to be saved if it weren't for the bridge to the Bible that Joel and Joyce provided. Just saying...
My problem here is his treating forgiveness as simply not caring. Whether you feel offended or not, others can sin against you. A person tempting you may seem very helpful to you. It’s not about how you feel. It’s about the sin. Forgiveness isn’t letting it go. It is remembering that this person is not a sin, that they deserve love. The sin must never be forgiven, but the sinner always. Loving your neighbor and forgiving them go hand in hand. It’s not enough to let things go. You must love them as yourself.
It seems that Joel needs to practice what he preaches. He gets pretty offended by any criticism!
Agreed. It appears Joel doesn’t want anyone criticizing him.
Beautifully done Pastor Mike!
I don’t know if you read the “extremely” long commentary that I left you six months ago concerning the video you posted titled, (“Why I am NOT suing Joel Osteen - Final update on my copyright strike and a personal message to Joel.”), but I must say that I am very pleased that you finally “put litter in its place” concerning Joel Osteen’s very harmful debasing of The Holy Scripture’s, without falling all over yourself trying to appease and reason with this man to get him to contact you.
Joel Osteen is NOT a pastor, but rather a great motivational, prosperity speaker, who is on the “other side” of God’s purpose for His true followers of Jesus Christ.
May God have mercy on Joel Osteen’s soul!
God Bless you Pastor Mike! You are a wonderful teacher!
I love this! The first time he took your video down I thought it would be great if you played his part and answered that, this works too!!! Lol
Osteen’s words sound like a fortune cookie 😂
This has had me cracking up 😂 so true.
“Good fortune will come your way if you forgive the offense” thanks Panda Express
Good one… so true!!😅