Wade Mullen on How to Spot Spiritual Abuse
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- Spiritual abuse is wreaking havoc on the church. But because it's hidden and cloaked in spiritual language, it often goes unchecked. In this talk given at RESTORE Chicago, Dr. Wade Mullen explains how to spot spiritual abuse and recover from it.
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Thank you for this. As pastor of a church, I’m dealing with a situation where I’m witnessing everything he’s talking about. I am not the victim, but the victim is in our church. This has helped me realize that I am on the right track with helping the victim heal. Some of these tactics will make you feel as though you’re losing your mind.
exactly :)
This is exactly how l felt when l was with the Jehovah’s Witnesses. Praise the Lord he got me out.
Words that I NEVER want to hear again:
"You are the best" "It's not the same without you" "You are the only one that can do this"
Yes Fernando.......I was groomed by flattery: and love bombed by gifts and compliments......it can happen at any age or any sex......I am a 70 yr old lady love bombed by a 60 yr old lady at chuch.....turns out she was/is a closet lesbian.....i am a hetero divorcee......iit was all new to me....i was v v naive in these matters.
Now I am v wary of making friends.
@@teresadexter9965 whoa
@18:30 My life story for 18 years in a cult, they degraded what little self worth I had left in me. I'm so glad to be free now. Great wording - "curtain of constraint". For the first time in my life, I finally now believe God loves me.
Big Hug to You----- From Australia 💯
Means a LOT to me that I’m Not Healing from This Alone 💯💯💯💯💯
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@@0555pink You are definitely not alone! Big hug right back 🤗
Yes they degrade your self worth and try to keep you down.
I tried to advocate too, which led to being ostracized.......I couldn't remain silent as two people(one of them being .myself), were being emotionally damaged
It greatly affected my mental health and my life is still in turmoil 3 years later.I had to quietly withdraw, leaving the person and her enablers to have victory .
I have the same experience. It is horrible when you want to warn others and you get gaslighted as if you are the problem. God bless you!
Wade is showing how a good church can become a cult!
This happened at Covenant Church in Bucks County Pa.
True 😊
@@johntobey1558are they still culty?
Yes
One of the strategies I've seen is to say that anyone calling out the misuse of scripture to support abuse is attacking scripture.
Flattery could be described as "grooming" or " love bombing "
This is so true.
I think the words on her website of the counsellor he quoted, Dianne Lane berg are disturbing and dangerous and misleading, these are those words: I am convinced that we must start training Christian counselors to work as ‘missionaries’ of post-traumatic consolation and care, able to deliver the comfort of Christ himself to a very needy world.” -Diane Langberg, Ph.D.
No man or woman can deliver the comfort of Christ, The Bible clearly teaches, only Jesus can give the Comfort of Jesus through knowing Christ in the Spirit , and you must know you have the right Spirit, of the one who speaketh from heaven , and not the Spirit of the prince of the world, worried about wordly things. Indeed we should expose this vile evil, but preaching the gospel is clearly a priority so people can be saved, it is the top leaders of the Anglican, catholic and Islamic religions that are not exposing these vile practices and not taking responsibility, in fact they seem quite at ease with these things, why are that leaders of the catholic and Anglican faith praising Islam, when it’s revered prophet shows this vile practice as acceptable? These are the questions that need to be asked, and why are not these leaders actually teaching what the Bible says, and immediately expelling the many in their churches who do this vile thing. I asked a group of Islamic apologists if their books actually say their prophet married a nine year old and had sex with her, they said no, when I asked them why they weren’t reviling the millions of Muslims who accept this teaching, I only got silence. I noted that some literature they gave me said their prophet mohomed , was in the Bible, saying his name was Shiloh, any person with reasonable knowledge of the Bible knows this is an absurd lie, not only did the verse not say he was the last prophet, you only have to lookup the verses that have Shiloh in them, to know those apologists are deceivers.
Sahih al-Bukhari 5133
In-book reference Book 67, Hadith 6
Narrated `Aisha:
that the Prophet (ﷺ) married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old, and then she remained with him for nine years (i.e., till his death
Psalms 78:59
“When God heard this, he was wroth, and greatly abhorred Israel:”
Psalms 78:60
“So that he forsook the tabernacle of Shiloh, the tent which he placed among men;”
Jeremiah 7:12
“But go ye now unto my place which was in Shiloh, where I set my name at the first, and see what I did to it for the wickedness of my people Israel.”
Jeremiah 7:14
“Therefore will I do unto this house, which is called by my name, wherein ye trust, and unto the place which I gave to you and to your fathers, as I have done to Shiloh.”
Jeremiah 26:6
“Then will I make this house like Shiloh, and will make this city a curse to all the nations of the earth.”
Jeremiah 26:9
“Why hast thou prophesied in the name of the LORD, saying, This house shall be like Shiloh, and this city shall be desolate without an inhabitant? And all the people were gathered against Jeremiah in the house of the LORD.”
Galatians 1:12
“For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.”
Ephesians 1:17
“That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him:”
1 John 3:24
“And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.”
1 John 4:21
“And this commandment have we from him, That he who loveth God love his brother also.”
1 Corinthians 2:14
“But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.”
Hebrews 12:25
“See that ye refuse not him that speaketh. For if they escaped not who refused him that spake on earth, much more shall not we escape, if we turn away from him that speaketh from heaven:”
John 4:24
“God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.”
John 4:23
“But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.”
1 John 3:24
“And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.”
1 John 4:13
“Hereby know we that we dwell in him, and he in us, because he hath given us of his Spirit.”
1 Corinthians 2:4
“And my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man's wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power:”
1 Corinthians 2:5
“That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.”
1 Corinthians 2:11
“For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.”
Yes!
@@garyjaensch7143I think you need to read the Gospels again. Christians have the love of Christ, are His hands and feet, and do deliver the comfort of the Comforter. It is not us, but the Holy Spirit in us. What you said reflects hardness of heart.
This was an excellant presentation highlighting in detail what I have experienced for five years. The abuse was so bad I was forced to leave the Church.
I'm happy you left.
Me too! Spoken as if he lived my entire experience. I feel validated.
I feel sorry for anyone trapped in such a situation.
This is a wonderful presentation. I so appreciate the work that Mr. Mullen and Julie Roys do!
KEEP AT IT WADE & JULIE!!!!! KEEP SPEAKING TRUTH!!!!
This is excellent. Quite well developed, this is how Cults work.
My pastor used a ton of flattery on me in a group. Really felt uncomfortable at the beginning because I didn't really know much about him. The church then pushed this 60 day worship class that involved all the groups and people had to sign up. The fact the kept promoting it, and pushing it at us made me not want to do it. I didn't sign up, and if it excluded me from bible study then I'd see them when this 60 day class was over.
I was instantly excluded from the group texts. He then texted me randomly asking me if I wanted to volunteer during the work day...I politely said no because I was working but I'm still with God and things are good.
He has since ignores me at church, and a woman I was dating ( who admitted having a porn addiction constantly leading me on for sex) I stopped seeing probably didn't say good things about me.
I go to another recovery group ( I had co dependency issues) and I just hear how men are constantly being abused by their wives.
Im the end I still go to church with a smile because I just hold myself accountable to God and that's it. Let them talk...I don't care.
I went through this with these religious people and have been attacked by the church then told it was because of disobedience and also demonic doors open.
The best ways to recognize spiritual abuse is to study God's Word because the Word says !! YOU SHALL KNOW THEM BY THEIR FRUIT. Abusers are like trees with BAD roots and produce rotten fruit and they move around like a bad smell.
I thank God there are many people who are sharing their practical experiences for the edification of the Church. I need to share this, too. Somebody somewhere also needs just this kind of message.
I hope you have a conference soon in Pennsylvania. We are helping the victims of this in Philly and uts suburbs. KEEP UP THIS great ministry.
Now my colleague Phil Monroe Psy.D.is speaking at this year's conference. I applaud Julie Roy's decision to recuse herself from speaking this year. Please hold the conference on the East Coast like Philadelphia, Pa. This speaker I believe lives in Pennsylvania amd teaches at nearby Lancaster Bible College. Perhaps a conference at Cairn Univ. In Lanhorne Manor, Pa.
This was super powerful and insightful. I'm going through a situation in which this talk just enlightened a whole lot in a PCA church.
Thank you so much for this presentation.
A vulnerable church member of any age, will usually be sucked in by flattery ......it's not only children who can be groomed in this way
Yup! Yup! Yup! I kept saying as I went through this. I had a narcissist sociopath for a boss in a non profit Christian organization. They refused to deal with him. They kept saying there was not enough proof even though a person who was head of our denomination said that sounded exactly like him. I finally could not take it anymore because the board refused to deal with him or find ways to make sure I was telling the truth. The ultimate insult came when they published an article written by him in our denomination magazine on love! I did not know whether to laugh or cry.
The wolves are taking over the church..... Sadly. We need to speak out and be open.
Ezekiel 34:21. Another insidious characteristic of these abusers is the pressing down on the most lowly, and humblest sheep. We didn’t even realize it till we (my daughter and I) left, and were able to see clearer what we were under!
Yes, I see leaders that are described in Ezekiel 34 everywhere. They are so cunning till you realize that you have been had! I studied that passage. I'm so thankful for all of Gods warnings.
@@kidluvzdrumz1950 this is so! It’s all in the word for us to live by, guard, protects, and so on. I’m glad too!
Yes so true
I love Gods word- he just recently pulled me and revealed to me the abusive church or cult I was in and by his word he revealed to me - JOHN 10 & EZEKIEL 33 & 34 …❤
@@LetsTalkGodPod Praise God! He is ever faithful to lead His dear children along!
One of the most harmful things I think the church that is abusive teaches, is the idea that our hearts are deceitfully wicked, and that we can't listen to our emotions! I think our emotions can mislead us, but I also believe God has given us our gut feelings to help us see red flags and institutions and relationships. my journey out of abuse has included, finding my self-worth and self-love under God. For my whole life, I ignored myself completely, because I felt like it was selfish and not godly at all. I this was a huge misleading! I am under the belief that if we don't love ourselves, and actually think we are a worthless piece of crap, like a lot of churches teach, we can't fully love the people around us as God intends us to. it was finding my self-worth and self-love that got me out of a highly abusive and toxic marriage that included all forms of abuse. Praise God in the highest for this conference, and the fact that it is available to all of us here, online!
Powerful and without bitterness. Clean. Biblical❤
Our Pastor is now preaching a series on spiritual abuse. I think historically, religion that is led by man and not God has the tendency to be abusive. Like the old saying" power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely" Jesus is the only power that can keep us free!
Keypoints
Notice their language. Charms: flattery, gifts, help (often excessive), and alliances (you and I have many things in common). Flattery: You are the only person who can do this; God has anointed you". See their response if the flattery is not returned. Dismantling: using fear to control, isolation, teasing, bullying, lots of rules. Constantly renegotiating boundaries, having inordinate control of the community, forcing secrecy on their victims, no accountability, supplication (playing victim), excuses to justify their actions, fake apology (actually, we are not like this etc)
I was gathering a Church here in Aberdeen, Scotland... I received an invitation to have dinner on Christmas with an old couple, instead of speaking about the Gospel, they were speaking about scary things and rejoicing or double checking how sick they were making me... I spent 3 days on a row having nightmares... At Church itself there were always confused looks, dirty looks, unwelcoming looks... The Lord was good to me and I started getting on youtube home information about narcissists abuse... I didn t open it at the beginning, yet they would continue sending them... When I started reading... Everything matched what I was going through... The Lord is kind... After that I discharged contact with all of them... Now I pray at home, or on youtube in spirit and truth... We pay a high price trying to find some friends
Being slandered is so TERRIBLE!
Notice the emphasis on the defense of the needy
He describes abusers as deceitful and as deliberately targeting people, but I think probably a lot of abusers in the church genuinely believe they are serving God. Where is the line between being a sucky leader who unwittingly hurts people and being an abuser?
Abusers absolutely know and have pleasure with their abuse.. Like the crocodile who cries after devoring a prey
Some abusers do believe their lies. But if it’s abusive, it’s abusive.
That's always a question for every kind of abuse. It's on a continuum and often it starts at one end and moves slowly to the other. Abuse always involves a power dynamic. One person has more power because of position, gender, status, job etc. When abuse has happened the consequences are what follows: severe confusion, worthlessness, lack of a voice, loss of agency and of ability to know own thoughts and make own choices, difficulty in relationship with God.
That’s pretty much what I’m dealing with to where I’ve kind of isolated myself because I believe if I start talking about the constant problems and bring the people involved, they really won’t be a true reconciliation and it will just be very odd fellow shipping with said persons. I mean I don’t know till I do it but it’s at a point where I have a lot going on in my life and trying to be the spiritually mature person has been very taxing to me. It has seriously racked my brain for weeks on end.
@@salparedo I'm sorry to hear you're going through that. I experienced something similar a few years ago. There really wasn't a silver lining to the situation. For what's it's worth, I think it was definitely the right choice for me to leave.
The attitude among many church leaders in America today: "I have a title and a shingle and preach some technically accurate things. Everything I say and do is the pure Mediation of Christ so I am an unquestioned authority. Pay up on the authority of the Word." ... here are the words of a REAL leader ... Col 1 : 24 "I now rejoice in my sufferings for you, and fill up in my flesh what is lacking in the afflictions of Christ for the sake of His body." This and many other verses where church leadership is validated by sufferings have been driven to the perimeter of the preaching as men strive for control of a microphone and a narrative.
So good. Thank you for posting!!
Paul summarizes much of this in Acts 20 ...
"For I know this, that after my departure savage wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock. 30 Also from among yourselves men will rise up, speaking [h]perverse things, to draw away the disciples after themselves. 31 Therefore watch, and remember that for three years I did not cease to warn everyone night and day with tears."
He goes on ...
" I have coveted no one’s silver or gold or apparel. 34 [i]Yes, you yourselves know that these hands have provided for my necessities, and for those who were with me. 35 I have shown you in every way, by laboring like this, that you must support the weak. And remember the words of the Lord Jesus, that He said, ‘It is more blessed to give than to receive.’ ”
More verses left out of the preaching or minimized by skimming over during the "expositional" preaching.
Thank you for sharing.
Incredible talk.
i belong to the catholic church in australia, if only I had known this, years ago, so many pedophiles have behaved like this for years and this talk means the institution must change.
Wow! That was Awesome!
Excellently explained my brother! Thank you!!
Actually I'm a sister in Christ and a warrior. I've seen it all!
💜💜💜... with heartfelt gratitude
Thanks, needed this today. 😢
You are a genius you are so intelligent in other words they try to bring you down to humiliate you even in public. At least your not stupid and you can see what truly is exactly going on. You happen to be the one who can see the truth. Excellent preaching !!!
Whether religious or not, these master manipulators all use the same tactics. They have it down to a science. It's really sick and twisted.
How true. Very powerful words but deceiving at the same time.
Excellent video 👍🏼👍🏼
Wow. I experienced this in a few churches early on 😢 It's very painful! This also describes many friendships I had in the last, before I healed. 😮
He needs to put this into a book...
Yes I agree!
Thus needs to be published in a book.
His book is called "Something's Not Right: Decoding The Hidden Tactics Of Abuse- - and Freeing Yourself From It's Power. It's on Amazon.
His book is called, "Something's Not Right: Decoding The Hidden Tactics Of Abuse- - and Freeing Yourself From It's Power. It's On Amazon.
Exactly my experience when telling my experience with leaders.
Thank you
Thanks!!
Greetings from Malaysia
I would add to this list: sandbagging and demanding that you meet at their facility rather than in a more neutral place or even in your home.
Wow! I would love to speak with him!
My question and or statement: I don't think spiritual abuse only comes from false teachers but also from true christians from leaders who have the Spirit of God in them. Can this be true?
I believe that somebody can be very well intentioned, and genuinely believe they are following the lead of the Holy Spirit. And perhaps that person can perform acts that suggest the power of the Holy Spirit. But these spiritual "credentials" if there is abuse, that is NOT from the Holy Spirit.
Yes Carla....there is a false H Spirt......causing deception., which is why we need ďiscernment.....keep close to H Spirit n He will give u discernment in these matters.....We have an enemy who is sly and double minded.....we need wisdom ....heavenly wisdom to spot evil within our churches.
Blessings frm UK
Honey, believe me, when the Holy Spirit takes over after the Word of God is spreaded... If you didn t clean your impurities deeply before... The opposite happens, you feel sick and strange and according to Paul in Acts, there was a couple who lied to the Holy Spirit and they even died... Personally, I have seen it also, where people start feeling bad... If the whole Church is totally without the Holy Spirit... You even have nightmares at night... Reason why that s a good parameter to know where you are standing... Modern Pharisees...
Yes it can As evidence, James 3:16 & Job 36:13
We are supposed to be all (3) as in Mark 12:30. Spiritual leaders that are abusive are missing one of Luke 10:27.
Wow. Amen.
First of all, I’ve never seen a church where there is not boat loads of critics and criticism. Secondly flattery. Honor is an important part of any healthy church culture that will be a truly affective organization, because most people are not paid for what they do. Honoring each other , seeing the gold not just the junk is important .There ought to be a balance between the two. To speak the truth in love is the biblical way. Third “the pastor doing what ever he wants “ and boundaries set by the organization. Again a balance , a visionary leader will have a vision, that ought to inspire the people to accomplish the fulfilling of the great commission. That’s not abuse. Jesus did not take a vote to go to the other side of the lake. Fourth, the board “ watch the Pastor to protect the church.” Any church and pastor, or board and pastor relationship that is built on that sort of miss trust is doomed and I feel sorry for the leader who attempts to lead under that. Trust is essential and must be a willing endeavor on the part of the followers. Love thinks no evil . Good steps to avoid abusive leadership, is a clear understanding of church boundaries set by the church on the leadership, and a signed commitment of the leader to follow the guidelines when he excepts the leadership role. Secondly separation of the leadership from the money. Third the pastor to be a part of a confidential accountability group, of strong leaders, other pastors who have permission to ask each other the hard questions on behavior. Who, the representatives of the board have access to for any grievance. One thing often not talked about is abusive boards and churches. This has led to the destruction of many leaders, innumerable I’m sure. Many pastors and families, especially in smaller churches have suffered greatly under abusive boards and church members with no recourse but to leave or just be fired. Great mental anguish and broken hearts. One of the main reasons for short pastoral tenure, and great exodus from ministry. A safe leader, A man whose heart is for Christ glory and honor alone, who really understands life is short and that he must give account before God for how he or she handles the church Jesus suffered and died for and entrusted to their leadership. Very sobering indeed.
Jesus served us... Pastors are there to serve... Those are modern Pharisees, not servants of the Christ. They follow a satanic model of domination and suppression... The Holy Spirit don t dwell in such places...
To add to my distress, just 2 days ago, (3 years after the bullying and scapegoating ended when I left), an innocent lady who now attends this church and so will be completely unaware that one of the music leaders is a covert manipulator, posted on the church website, a beautiful post, stating how she loves her church and how wonderful its leaders are.
This was a massive trigger for me....these leaders have lied and enabled abuse to continue causing two of us to break down and to feel suicidal.....the rest of the church are indeed kind and genuine, completely unaware of this hateful episode, because it has been brushed under the carpet.....we victims are merely collateral damage I suppose. There is nothing we can do as the abuser is a compulsive liar.....using crocodile tears and playing the role of victim whereas in reality she is just a clever actress.....a covert sexual preditor .....a perpetrator of emotional abuse and manipulative bullying....although a v gifted lady who has very cleverly made herself indispensible and greatly admired by the whole church .....its dangerous and very scary ,that a mature pastor and his wife have allowed themselves and their church, to be so deeply deceived.
I highly recommend you Meredith Miller... She helps victims to heal...
"Merely collateral damage": what Ahab and Jezebel thought of Naboth. He just _got in the way_ of their "taking possession of the land" (vineyard given by God to Naboth) that "thinking big" had caused them to desire, so he had to be "thrown under the bus" (by the hired _sons of Belial)_ to _open doors_ for the "dream" to be realized!
Just like Jim Jones in the 1970s I was about 11 years old when this went on and I heard about it when I was older but the time that Jim Jones was doing this I was about 11:00 he's a good example of one of those people
Is there a transcript of this, or lecture notes that can be made public?
Is there?
@@conniebraziel1140 I don't know about a transcript but looks like he has a book called "Something's not right"
there are closed caption
Very good and accurate presentation.
Another reason why I left the church 10 years ago & Thank God I did because it's only gotten worse ! But, I know where the bodies went to & why they left the ARC churches very disillusioned & depressed 😢😢😢
Yes yes yes
I suffered the same
Story of my life. Monster like that and whole church who are in fear from him are totaly ruin my life and family. I know it is not right but I want them to suffer like that. Its hell
Your not wrong, God feels the same, that's why He is going to avenge. His will is for the abusers to repent but if they refuse His loving offer then they want hell! Hell is what they will get and sometimes here on earth before judgement day. They will reap what they've sown. It may take a while but God is real cool and His timing is right on!
You're not wrong! God feels even more pain and wrath then us by what they've done to us. That's why He is going to avenge at just the right time. Be of good cheer and hang on to Jesus. It will be over soon.
They came. We did not go seeking for them. Then when we went finally, they turned idiotic monsters.
Two words: Mormon Church!
Two more words: Jehovah's Witnesses!
Two more words, ALL churches! These days we have to search for the true sheep in Christ's house. The wolves are causing confusion and taking over. Not an easy task.
@@kidluvzdrumz1950”All Churches” You are lumping them altogether which is unfair. Have you been to every church in the world?
Some evils are in black, all darkness and black, some are like normal beings, others disguised as good.
Is there a transcript of this somewhere?
There is closed caption.
Just like domestic violence in a dating relationship or married relationship and I was one of those victims yep it sounds just like that except you're in a church
People aren’t taught properly about who they are in Christ and what is their spiritual inheritance as a son or daughter of God
the leaders who have the resources and the power to stop these vile practices, but do not , the pope, leader of the Catholic Church, King Charles leader of the Anglican Church , and the leaders of Islam . These are the questions to ask, The Bible says God is to be worshipped in the Spirit, perhaps reading the Bible like a workman is truly what is needed?
1 John 3:24
“And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.”
1 John 4:21
“And this commandment have we from him, That he who loveth God love his brother also.”
1 Corinthians 2:14
“But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.”
Hebrews 12:25
“See that ye refuse not him that speaketh. For if they escaped not who refused him that spake on earth, much more shall not we escape, if we turn away from him that speaketh from heaven:”
John 4:24
“God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.”
John 4:23
“But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.”
1 John 3:24
“And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.”
1 John 4:13
“Hereby know we that we dwell in him, and he in us, because he hath given us of his Spirit.”
1 Corinthians 2:4
“And my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man's wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power:”
1 Corinthians 2:5
“That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.”
1 Corinthians 2:11
“For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.”
Another good question average Muslims, Catholics and Anglicans might ask, why are their leaders praising Islam?
Sahih al-Bukhari 5133
In-book reference Book 67, Hadith 6
Narrated `Aisha:
that the Prophet (ﷺ) married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old, and then she remained with him for nine years (i.e., till his death
I'm glad the church sees that's people in the church are no good not all but a lot .
Hope Center ministries to a T.
Wade hit the nail on the head - the church twist scripture to serve their narrative.
Come out of her (the church) my people
Isaiah 52: 11
Church is a religious system created by Satan
Jesus did not go to church why do we think we should?
Read Ezekiel 34
This is a description of Christianity in all forms.
Jesus is our only shepherd
John 10: 9+10
Jesus is that keystone not ministers
Evil pure evil
Can Wade discern between abuse and true spiritual conviction of sin from the Holy Spirit and the nudging to repent from one's sins? Lots of tells in this video that he may not understand salvation in Christ and the need to be born again.
I must admit that i don't see how what you are saying relates to what Wade is saying?
It's obvious that he is saved or he wouldn't give a rip about those who have been preyed upon and destroyed at the hands of wolves. Only the wolves are interested in the coerced repentance of the manipulated innocent sheep, all the while they cover up their sins and never see anything wrong with breaking every command of Jesus! Who needs to repent!?! His judgement and wrath is burning HOT against all liars and fake converts. Times running out.
You sound like someone who might abuse the word of God to get someone to apparently repent and say a three point sinners prayer without any discernment as to Wade's humility and ability to be vulnerable and honest in his walk with God.
Probably a good testimony but I wish this guy would look at the audience more. He really needs to take some classes in public speaking.
This man has been a victim of spirit destroying abuse and there is lots of risidual shame that accompanies that. It's hard to hold your head up under deep shame even if it's been artificially produced.
Dude! It's the MESSAGE, not his stage performance. Anybody who hears something with any value isn't even looking at how pretty the act on stage is. I'm nauseated and many feel the same with all the prideful stage strutting. Just give us what's real and what's going to help and feed us.
@@kidluvzdrumz1950 great point. Jesus is looking at character, not great orators with great gifts to be those we listen to. That's the essence of where spiritual abusers are platformed.
I'm sorry, but what is this guy doing in a church? He is basing NONE of this on the Gospel, and ALL of it on pop "psychology", even deferring to Diane Langsberg, instead of deferring to the word of God.
You have either never experienced this type of abuse or you are an abuser. This is absolutely full of truth and wisdom from the spirit. I honestly question if you even have access to the holy spirit if you don't recognize that.
@@rachey638 Definitely doesn't have the Holy Spirit to know light from dark.
What the what???
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Aren't you aware that the Bible warns against flattery? Doesn't the Bible warn against those who do these things? Definitely the Psalms and prophets did, but the NT too. Didn't Jesus warn against blind guides, wolves in sheep's clothing, hirelings who run when the wolf approaches, whited sepulchers, and other serious warnings against forms of spiritual abuse? If the people Jesus described weren't spiritual abusers,what would you call them? Wolves eat sheep. That's where they get their "clothing"..