Hammerflower: 150 sun cost. Fast recharge. Solos bucketheads. Fishhook Grass: 150 sun cost. Fast recharge. Solos gargantuars. Mangosteen: 150 sun cost. Fast recharge. Solos bucketheads. Tigerstool: 250 sun cost. Slow recharge. Barely kills coneheads. Chinese balancing!
The formula for the Chinese plants seems to be: Plant can do A, but has a chance to do B. As it levels up, the chances for B increase, and at level 5, B is enhanced or it gets C, effectively turning it into an unstoppable zombie killing machine.
I will never take pvz international leveling for granted anymore. At least those kept the plant consistent on what it did. This feels like it adds way to much for a plants and this makes it confusing on what any plant is supposed to do.
@@jossuecabrera8611 The international game may have its flaws with the leveling system, but it’s nowhere near as broken as PvZC, where plants can solo entire levels at level two.
Fairly certain Gardener Grass' attack is also based on a childhood toy called a flywheel toy (and yes, it sounds just as annoying irl) It would also make the costume and cute ish design make sense
The real issue is the fact that they used up all their existing ideas so when they make something “new” it’s just what another plant does but in a different way
@@symlordThe most interesting plants of the video were definitely the Tiger Stool and the Gardener Grass. They were also the weakest but their mechanics looked fun to play with. If only Gardener Grass could stun more Zombies.
Exactly!! I was literally about to say, how many plants have unique plant food effects that isn’t damage in a 3x3 area, credit to gardener grass though at least it’s 2 3x3 areas effectively making it 3x5 (with middle lane doing double)
12:49 The reason why Mangosteen attack 6 times before resting is because this plant needs to attack IN A ROW without left idling for too long (for a few seconds) before the cooldown. If Mangosteen don’t attack in a row, the number of maximum attack require for a cooldown will be reset.
Hello other blu team scout, want to help me get the intel from red, I need you to distract the sentries with bonk and I'll Finnish off the sentries with my direct hit
Fishhook grass honestly sounds super fun imo. I feel like it would be better balanced if the fish hook did very weak damage and the damage from the zombies depends on its toughness so bucketheads would deal more damage than basics
The loud sound effects was definitely one of the reasons I almost never played with sound on. Plants and zombies in the Chinese version were/are either really quiet for me or so loud that your ears would hurt after a couple minutes with seemingly little in-between.
I kind of dig Fishhook Grass' ability. It has knockback, can work around its recharge by stunning at working from long-range, and is kinda like Fisherman Zombie the plant. Mangosteen doesn't seem cohesive at all, but tigerstool and gardener grass are funny, and sound like cool concepts if nothing else.
(I’m judging all of these on their Level 1 versions BTW) Hammer Flower looks like a really good plant, but if it was in the International Version, I don’t really see myself using it much. That’s mainly because outside of Celery Stalker (And to an extent Wasabi Whip), I’ve never really cared about the melee plants that much. Also it’s design is kinda boring (Nothing about it screams “Flower”, he looks more like a beanstalk to me). Fishhook Grass, meanwhile, is a melee plant I vibe with a lot. Has a fun gimmick and I see it being pretty helpful against high HP zombies like Gargs. Mangosteen is a plant I really like on paper, seeing as it’s basically what I wanted Phat Beet to be (A high DPS 3x3 AOE Plant ala Gloom-shroom from PVZ 1). But in execution… yeesh, that 30 second cooldown is a major turn off. I get it’s there to prevent it from being even more broken than PVZ 1 Gloom-sheoom, but I feel like there were better ways to handicap it (Like turning down its damage a bit or completely dropping the stun gimmick). Tigerstool has a fun design and animations, but everything about it just screams “Snapdragon but worse”. Lastly there’s Gardener Grass, and tbh I don’t really know if it’s good or not. That being said it just looks fun to use. The animation of it stunning zombies looks really goofy and I’d see myself running it just for the fun of it.
I would like it noted that I think Tigerstool's level 5 ability, although exceedingly rare, is broken. "10% of the target's max health each second, for 10 seconds" So if this funny little mushroom were to poison a zombie, it's name is already written on a gravestone they are not raising out of.
@@Sunneh2013 It says “ Everytime Mangosteen swears, it is on the condition of being struck by thunder. “ This confirms that plants can talk and say swear words.
Hey also, I just downloaded Chinese version about last Friday, and I don’t know what zombies can do. And I watch your video and it help a lot, so I decided to sub you
Tigerstool probably was made with stacking them next to eachother in mind, essentially making rows and columns of minor stalling and aoe damage in multiple different lanes. So honestly, not bad. Everything looks a lot different until you stack a bunch of them.
Gardenee grass's rest time is increased after launching a level 5 sawblade bc it starts ehen she trows it not when it expires so she can attack after the normal 5 seconds after it ends
Fun fact: Gardener glass can stun zombies that gain buff from fairytale forest fog which is weird since normal stun won't work for them (sry for rough grammar😂😂😂)
It would be pretty fun to see modders incorporate some of the Chinese plants into their game and see how they balance/rework these plants, especially since I don't like how some plants gain abilities that have a chance to pop up by leveling, especially lv 5 that gives the plant abilities they don't need. Alterniz did a pretty good job with maypop. Maybe one mod could bring the bearberry motar and make it a tap to use plant like cocnut cannon. What are your thoughts?
It's impossible they are way too custom to just do it in a mod but if they did they also have to take account for balancing Some plants would have to be reworked completely lest it be too similar to your average peashooter Also hard-coded stuff is frankly impossible to work around for some of these abilities You'd find more luck with a remade game Or just similar sprites but different abilities because vanilla limitations for custom things
The Chinese version of pvz2 feels like one big public beta testing area, hence why so much seems incredibly janky and broken PS: fishhook grass' mechanic is incredibly goofy and I love it
Feels like they mixed up the growth timer and the cooldown timer on Mangosteen. His growth ignores the resting period yet the growth happens like 3x as fast as the default rest timer. I could see leveling making the plant grow faster so it’s stronger quicker; similar to other multi-stage plants.
I have Gardener Grass, and she is very fun to use lol, I use her in almost all my loadouts for the lols, her sound is horrifying but I play mute most of the time so im fine lol
I'm a Chinese pvz user. The experience of this game is not like this game. When you get more than 100 plants, you will find that your experience will be very stuck, and this game is still very difficult for some zombies in the world. You need to get plant fragments to upgrade to level 3 to level 4 to barely play it. And when there is a game
Tbh I really like hammer plant in theory A high tier melee plant with high dps and some stall Remove the high HP, up the cost, I could see it (even if pokra is insane we don't need compare to that)
15:25 “Every time Mangosteen swears, it gets struck by thunder” Imagine the first time he heard that or the first time he swore lol that would be a very SHOCKING revelation
12:50 I think it’s because the Mangosteen lost its target (it stopped attacking) and then it began attacking again. So it attacked twice, lost target. The countdown resets. Attack 4 times. So you get 6.
PVZ2C's biggest feature is its racing game attributes. In some modes, such as Pursuit mode and Endless mode, the only measure is the fastest clearance speed, so most plants are useless, only those that can quickly hit damage. Or plants that can attack off-site zombies are more popular.
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8:49 I like seeing him explain the absurd knockback fishhook grass gets while the one in the 3rd lane is just 2 shotting gargs
Don't mind me, just going on a casual slaughter over here, pay more attention to my buddy at the bottom
fishhook grass is a mess of bugs. It does provide interesting strategies when you play zombie mode.
Hammerflower: 150 sun cost. Fast recharge. Solos bucketheads.
Fishhook Grass: 150 sun cost. Fast recharge. Solos gargantuars.
Mangosteen: 150 sun cost. Fast recharge. Solos bucketheads.
Tigerstool: 250 sun cost. Slow recharge. Barely kills coneheads.
Chinese balancing!
Mangosteen was very unique but should have been 250 sun which i find stupid
15:14 mangosteen 1 shots garguntaurs at max level
@@zaidtariq8804 …no it doesn’t
@@jwechols86 it did one shot it
@@jacopolopiccolo3977 you can see the gargantuars imp is missing
The formula for the Chinese plants seems to be:
Plant can do A, but has a chance to do B. As it levels up, the chances for B increase, and at level 5, B is enhanced or it gets C, effectively turning it into an unstoppable zombie killing machine.
You forgot that they all have a chance to get plant food when planted too
@@aiopnn427 Well that goes without saying but yes.
I will never take pvz international leveling for granted anymore. At least those kept the plant consistent on what it did. This feels like it adds way to much for a plants and this makes it confusing on what any plant is supposed to do.
Don't forget it has to recharge for 4.2069 seconds before attacking again
@@jossuecabrera8611 The international game may have its flaws with the leveling system, but it’s nowhere near as broken as PvZC, where plants can solo entire levels at level two.
Fairly certain Gardener Grass' attack is also based on a childhood toy called a flywheel toy (and yes, it sounds just as annoying irl)
It would also make the costume and cute ish design make sense
While these plants are cool, the issue I find most common in all of them is the plant food, they just do a generic "damage in 3x3 area" thing
the main game is at fault with this too, with very few plants having a power up that doesn’t amount to screen-clear or effective lane clear
The real issue is the fact that they used up all their existing ideas so when they make something “new” it’s just what another plant does but in a different way
@@symlordThe most interesting plants of the video were definitely the Tiger Stool and the Gardener Grass. They were also the weakest but their mechanics looked fun to play with. If only Gardener Grass could stun more Zombies.
@@symlordIt’s actually hardcode, apperently.
Exactly!! I was literally about to say, how many plants have unique plant food effects that isn’t damage in a 3x3 area, credit to gardener grass though at least it’s 2 3x3 areas effectively making it 3x5 (with middle lane doing double)
That Gardener Grass looks good for Frostbite Caves tbh, even without fire, it can free itself making it immune to freeze, literally.
how? it can only unfreez it self if it was attack which will likely not happen bc it will get snip
@@noooo2310 chopping ice?
mangosteen looks adorable and we must protect him at all costs
The smeeper
what a beauty are these plants!exception for the fishing hook plant
Why
But he's dangerous
12:49 The reason why Mangosteen attack 6 times before resting is because this plant needs to attack IN A ROW without left idling for too long (for a few seconds) before the cooldown. If Mangosteen don’t attack in a row, the number of maximum attack require for a cooldown will be reset.
I like how they gave extremely boring plants stupidly strong abilities.
how the hell did they think 150 sun for the first two were balanced
@@passtheapplejuice2619 and too salt to injury they gave the plants with the really bad DPS a higher price
Idk I like it
Hello other blu team scout, want to help me get the intel from red, I need you to distract the sentries with bonk and I'll Finnish off the sentries with my direct hit
bruh, the original pvz 2 recent updates also boring
They made Fishhook a plant that is at it's strongest when it is unable to perform its main ability.
Fishhook grass honestly sounds super fun imo. I feel like it would be better balanced if the fish hook did very weak damage and the damage from the zombies depends on its toughness so bucketheads would deal more damage than basics
The Tigerstool looks so goofy, I love it
It looks like it's the worst plant to spam visually, but practically, is only good if spammed.
@@mkks4559 its like lighting reed. Bad alone, strong in number
@@KinDiedYesterday but almost all plants if spammed is good..
@@Serving_Cvnt we dont talk about this. Lighting reed user need their coping mechanism available
It makes me think of Happy Tree Friends for some reason
The loud sound effects was definitely one of the reasons I almost never played with sound on. Plants and zombies in the Chinese version were/are either really quiet for me or so loud that your ears would hurt after a couple minutes with seemingly little in-between.
"Monkey's head mushrooms"
"Lion's mane mushrooms"
*They make it a tiger*
Inb4 "chinese year celebration", they could've chose an another plant
@@burner555 They already had a Monkey's Head Plant, so honestly it's not an issue.
I kind of dig Fishhook Grass' ability. It has knockback, can work around its recharge by stunning at working from long-range, and is kinda like Fisherman Zombie the plant.
Mangosteen doesn't seem cohesive at all, but tigerstool and gardener grass are funny, and sound like cool concepts if nothing else.
When we needed him most, he finally returned! I missed this series buddy!
It has been a month but sure
@@Circle2947 a month, 4 weeks, 30 days, 730 hours, 43829 minutes, 2629743 seconds, 2.62974383 × 1027 zeptoseconds, a lot of time
Npc
@@Berlinh2 you wot, mate?
@@Berlinh2 you're one to talk. Hypocrite.
You make me very happy when you upload this series
And I'm happy to hear that :)
I love watching gargs die in two hits over and over while the clip was focused on the fishing guy’s knockback at max level
9:06 very interesting, but I can’t help but notice that they are 2 shot gargs like it nothing.
(I’m judging all of these on their Level 1 versions BTW)
Hammer Flower looks like a really good plant, but if it was in the International Version, I don’t really see myself using it much. That’s mainly because outside of Celery Stalker (And to an extent Wasabi Whip), I’ve never really cared about the melee plants that much. Also it’s design is kinda boring (Nothing about it screams “Flower”, he looks more like a beanstalk to me).
Fishhook Grass, meanwhile, is a melee plant I vibe with a lot. Has a fun gimmick and I see it being pretty helpful against high HP zombies like Gargs.
Mangosteen is a plant I really like on paper, seeing as it’s basically what I wanted Phat Beet to be (A high DPS 3x3 AOE Plant ala Gloom-shroom from PVZ 1). But in execution… yeesh, that 30 second cooldown is a major turn off. I get it’s there to prevent it from being even more broken than PVZ 1 Gloom-sheoom, but I feel like there were better ways to handicap it (Like turning down its damage a bit or completely dropping the stun gimmick).
Tigerstool has a fun design and animations, but everything about it just screams “Snapdragon but worse”.
Lastly there’s Gardener Grass, and tbh I don’t really know if it’s good or not. That being said it just looks fun to use. The animation of it stunning zombies looks really goofy and I’d see myself running it just for the fun of it.
It's funny how at around 2:46, the word balanced is flying out of view, which would mean the joke of Hammer Flower's balancing being out of the frame
21:53 bro really pulled a Black Knight "Tis but a scratch"
Flag, this series always makes my day better. Thanks so much for the great content. Keep it up!
Is that
@@corrupie HI MR CORRUPT FROM GEOMETRY SUCKS 7
@@Scribblemations NO I AM NOT
Legends says the bug bot is still stunned
YESSS... ive been waiting for this video for so long!!
love your videos so much,keep em up!
I really like the sound design on hammer flower, it sounds like they literally just dropped a rock on the floor and used it.
I would like it noted that I think Tigerstool's level 5 ability, although exceedingly rare, is broken. "10% of the target's max health each second, for 10 seconds" So if this funny little mushroom were to poison a zombie, it's name is already written on a gravestone they are not raising out of.
Does this work on bosses? Please say it does not.
@@Thiago_Rodrigues30 Honestly, knowing this game? It probably does.
Is nobody gonna talk about how Hammer Flower just summons Thor's Mjolnir for his Plant Food? This dude is cookin' 😂
Lol
Are we gonna talk about Mangosteen’s description though?
@@carbonfibereaterwhat about it?
@@Sunneh2013 It says “ Everytime Mangosteen swears, it is on the condition of being struck by thunder. “ This confirms that plants can talk and say swear words.
@@carbonfibereater "i hope you get no water" -Mangosteen
9:00
This feature reminds me of one particular level in Just Shapes and Beats...
Gardener Grass sounds like she would go great with Mega Gatling Pea and Iceweed!
and inferno!
And almost any other plants
Gardener Grass could also work well with any good melee plant.
Been a while since you did one of these
Glad that we got another overanalyzing video
Been waiting for this thanks!
Edit:I love your videos
The fishhook grass is as powerful as the fisherman zombie
Awesome
19:10 This looks so cute, even though the attack type is buzzsaw
All plants that i wanted to see grouped up in one episode, nice
It is always a good day when a new overanalysing video comes out.
PART TEN LETS GO
True
Hey also, I just downloaded Chinese version about last Friday, and I don’t know what zombies can do. And I watch your video and it help a lot, so I decided to sub you
Glad I helped!
Gargantuars: I fear no man, but that THING… *insert Fishhook Grass here* It scares me.
The Mangosteen is so fucking cute for some reason 😂❤
I just love the cute attack animation
Can't believe we're already this far into this series.
Tigerstool probably was made with stacking them next to eachother in mind, essentially making rows and columns of minor stalling and aoe damage in multiple different lanes. So honestly, not bad. Everything looks a lot different until you stack a bunch of them.
Gardenee grass's rest time is increased after launching a level 5 sawblade bc it starts ehen she trows it not when it expires so she can attack after the normal 5 seconds after it ends
19:12 that conehead be hittin the griddy tho
Thank you again for these videos and for putting so much effort into them.👍
Fun fact: Gardener glass can stun zombies that gain buff from fairytale forest fog which is weird since normal stun won't work for them (sry for rough grammar😂😂😂)
Huh thats good to know
Fun fact: According to mangosteen's almanac description, plants know and can say swear words
“He’s mildly annoyed.”
-Flag Zombie, 2023
He's angery but not really
Yoo, every episode of overanalyzing is awesome :D
I think the reason they nerfed Gardener Grass' Sawblade ability is due to how she would kinda spam it for every 5 seconds.
7:25 Other plants: well thank you...😐⚰️
This series is super addicting ! Keep up the good work .
2:05 must of been able to finish it this time
Wait, I thought it was mangostein tbh, Since yknow the whole coil and lightning thing comes from frankenstein and I thought it was a play on that
Omg just perfect timing it came out love your content 😊
*sees Tigerstool* I liked it when plants vs zombies was about... You know... Plants and zombies...
It would be pretty fun to see modders incorporate some of the Chinese plants into their game and see how they balance/rework these plants, especially since I don't like how some plants gain abilities that have a chance to pop up by leveling, especially lv 5 that gives the plant abilities they don't need. Alterniz did a pretty good job with maypop. Maybe one mod could bring the bearberry motar and make it a tap to use plant like cocnut cannon. What are your thoughts?
What’s maypop
@@grapeguy6843 a custom plant from a mod of pvz 2 that works differently than its Chinese version.
It's impossible they are way too custom to just do it in a mod but if they did they also have to take account for balancing
Some plants would have to be reworked completely lest it be too similar to your average peashooter
Also hard-coded stuff is frankly impossible to work around for some of these abilities
You'd find more luck with a remade game
Or just similar sprites but different abilities because vanilla limitations for custom things
@@LUCAS420BLZ honestly, reworking a plant from the ground up seems like a better idea from a coders perspective.
The Chinese version of pvz2 feels like one big public beta testing area, hence why so much seems incredibly janky and broken
PS: fishhook grass' mechanic is incredibly goofy and I love it
Feels like they mixed up the growth timer and the cooldown timer on Mangosteen. His growth ignores the resting period yet the growth happens like 3x as fast as the default rest timer. I could see leveling making the plant grow faster so it’s stronger quicker; similar to other multi-stage plants.
I'd say Tigerstool's poison attack is actually pretty balanced, being really powerful, but also really rare
Hammerflower Lv.5 be like: "Haha et buried again lol"
he always come when least expected - Flag Zombie... with another nice video!
Cool video as always 🎉
Your dedicated to your work as I can see…I respect that
I have Gardener Grass, and she is very fun to use lol, I use her in almost all my loadouts for the lols, her sound is horrifying but I play mute most of the time so im fine lol
how do you get the china ver?
I would just like to compliment your exquisite music taste
Thank you!
Thanks for these as always , never fail yo entertain me ^^
Gardener Grass goess BRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
best pvz channel. Also you gotta love the music!
Thank you!
I'm in love with the hammer flower sound effects
I for one think sawblade grass (flower? Idk) is fuckin hilarious
The sound and animation are comedy gold
Gardener's grass Just straight up makes the zombies twerk
I'm a Chinese pvz user. The experience of this game is not like this game. When you get more than 100 plants, you will find that your experience will be very stuck, and this game is still very difficult for some zombies in the world. You need to get plant fragments to upgrade to level 3 to level 4 to barely play it. And when there is a game
I was excited to see the Rubble Trubble theme, love it!!!
21:46 "But his hate didn't let him go"
Tbh I really like hammer plant in theory
A high tier melee plant with high dps and some stall
Remove the high HP, up the cost, I could see it (even if pokra is insane we don't need compare to that)
21:56 this is normal. Hunter zombies are just like this.
I swear some of these plants can survive like 10 waves without dying
15:25 “Every time Mangosteen swears, it gets struck by thunder”
Imagine the first time he heard that or the first time he swore lol that would be a very SHOCKING revelation
This series is amazing and so addicting ❤
12:50 I think it’s because the Mangosteen lost its target (it stopped attacking) and then it began attacking again.
So it attacked twice, lost target. The countdown resets. Attack 4 times. So you get 6.
YAY!! I MISSED THESE TYPES OF VID OF URS!!💚💚💚
I'VE BEEN WAITING FOREVER FOR THIS VID
3:39 *will die if it is buried 4 times in a row*
BRO THEY ALREADY DIE TO 4 HITS OR LESS
You know it's a good time when you post❤
tbh the fishing hook grass should be called the fishing reel
Pvz chinese IS more alive than pvz2....
Tigerstool looks so hilarious!
PVZ2C's biggest feature is its racing game attributes. In some modes, such as Pursuit mode and Endless mode, the only measure is the fastest clearance speed, so most plants are useless, only those that can quickly hit damage. Or plants that can attack off-site zombies are more popular.
mangostem seems like it could be a pretty cool plant with rebalancing
Finally another overanalysing video!
Honestly these plants animation feel more pvz2 than pvz2 nowadays
Gardener Grass and Fishook Grass are very unique plants instead, nice work China
Are you chiense?
@@anonymousplayer8174 No, i just really like the designs and think they are unique
@@KraylebStudios they sure are, and it seems that Chinese people care more about the game than Americans
@@anonymousplayer8174 There are more people in the world than just Chinese and American people
@@KraylebStudios But I'm saying Chinese people were the ones who created pvz C and Americans create pvz international
Mangosteen ability is same as Electric tea, but take higher damage
9:58 Sunday Edition got a mind of its own thanks to Fishing Hook Grass. XDD
How did they get away with making hammer flower’s plant food literally summon mjolnir
This game is clearly the pinnacle of hame design with mo broken features or broken features whatsoever
I'm so glad you have music to cover the absolutely disgusting sound Gardener Grass makes
Hammer flower literally summons Thor's hammer💀
If Mangosteen is called "Mangostun" instead it suits it better