The Killing Joke ENDING: Movie VS Comic Differences
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- Side-by-side Comparison of The Killing Joke's ending, featuring the differences and similarities between the graphic novel and the animated movie. Clip from the film and graphic novel are compliant under the principals of fair use!
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The ending was meant to be ambiguous in the original, to force the reader to grapple with the implications.
_If_ Batman killed the Joker, then in the end the Joker was right, and the Joker won.
_If_ Batman didn't kill the Joker, then they are doomed to repeat this same song and dance over and over, their co-dependant lunacy a vortex of misery that sucks in everyone close to them.
Both are simply too stubborn to quit or accept help at this point, that's the punchline of the final joke: Batman can't help the Joker, he's just as crazy as him.
yeah and its even worse because neither wants to be who they are, bruce would rather be normal person and still have his family, and this comic(and movie) showed us that the joker doesn't want to be who he is but is too far gone to change. DC at its best imo.
No. The ending never was meant to be ambiguous, it's just that people are dumb.
@@CallOfEuropeanSpirit People aren't dumb. It was left to be a mystery on purpose as to if Batman killed him or not. Most people assume based on where Bruce's hands are placed he choked him to death, specially when considering the laugh continues without Joker following. However, in the comic you couldn't really tell and was left purposely up to speculations. Hence the "did he or didn't he?". We never got a follow up after Killing Joke or least to my knowledge. Even if we did, the ending to Killing Joke was done so well it'd just ruin it more then likely. If you wanted to, you could argue the follow up being in The Three Jokers.
I think with Killing Joke it was meant to show readers the parallel's between both characters and how they are forever in a cat and mouse game until one eventually gives up or one eventually snaps. Bruce needs Joker as much as Joker needs Batman. Both can't co-exist without the other and has been shown time and time again what happens when one or the other is gone. Hence the joke.
@@UrSammich Uh, no. If you read Alan Moore's original script, he never intended that. Or if you knew anything about the behind the scenes, you would know nothing is "vague" you're interpreting it as such for whatever reason, which is fine. The follow-up to the Killing Joke WAS the continuity, because it was already supposed to be in DC's main universe. Batman continues to fight crime, the Joker goes back to Arkham and Barbera became Oracle.
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@@davidsgamingdomain yeah no that’s terrible
Hearing the joker sincerely apologize to Batman, and hearing Batman laugh is the most surreal thing I’ve ever seen
It’s one of those “everybody has found the level only because we’ve hit rock bottom” moments.
It really is the only sincere human moment the two ever have where they are at their genuine selves and are just being real with one another.
*Damn...the joker is a LOT scarier looking in the comic than he is in the movie.*
The movie is horribly animated compared to previous DCU movies unfortunately.
@@HQBaconI think the animation is ok. The reason why Joker looks more menacing in the comics is because of all the dark and bold shadows. While the movie did'nt have those.
In short, I think the artsyle is the reason why joker does'nt look as good. But for me, I think it's good they did this. Imagine them making this with all the shadows like the comics. I would keep being suspicious about the joker assuming he might do something. I would'nt be able to think of him as a human, which the makers wanted to show in this scene, I'd be thinking of him as a suspicious mentally unstable villain that might suddenly just run and start massacreing people.
This is just what I think. :F
The reason I like the animation cause of the voice actor
@@HQBacon Your mom is horribly animated compared to my previous lovers
fortunately.
@@justpotato7101 You mean Mark Hamill? He's amazing what are you talking about. And if you know anything about animation, you should know that the VAs have nothing to do with it
2:41 Here's a nice detail. You can see a yellow stripe in the pannels, but then in the last one it is missing. Just as the Joker said, Batman turned off the light, the "bridge" to salvation.
Yes nice detail
Thanks for pointing that out. Pretty cool
I've always noticed that
I still don't know why Alan Moore hates his most beloved novel. Yes, more beloved than Watched and V for Vendetta combined
@@dannyolortegui3776wouldn’t say that at all, Watchmen and V for Vendetta is just as popular as The Killing Joke on their own!
I love how the lights from the truck turn off in the last panel, it's such a small yet important detail
Agreed. It's a key visual image that I'm surprised was left out of the animated version.
Alludes to the flashlight-bridge.
Yes that's the kind of attention to detail that makes Batman the greatest hero of all time
miamimagicians magician miami yeah that’s uh... stupid, btw. Like, a really dumb comment honestly but k
_I'm Not Loss_ the fuck’s “necroposting”?
It's weird, The Killing Joke is an inherently cinematic comic book.
You'll notice when it cuts from the present to the Joker's 'Origin,' it cuts using the same imagery that exist in both, such as the Joker's reflecting in the water, a hand reaching out.
And yet they never use that in the movie. There were many great cuts waiting for them and they didn't take it for whatever reason.
The film was (ironically) a joke made by people who didn't read anything past it than Batman & Joker fighting.
you are so right! that is why i thought the ending in the movie was empty!!
Breaze they even screwed up a lot of the dialogue. They left out one of the most iconic Joker lines, “Madness is the emergency exit” they just screwed up pretty much everything that was “The Killing Joke” about this movie.
I need japanese studio to remake this GOAT panels
The art in the comic is masterful
Even though this film was a trainwreck in several ways, this scene was pretty much almost perfect. Hamill and Conroy are amazing voice actors.
how was it a trainwreck?
+Kyler Zoza batsex...
Stef Tep That isn't a good defense. Just because it happened in one version of a Batman story, that doesn't mean it works in another. The Killing Joke isn't connected to the Adam West show or Batman Beyond. Its its own thing.
Kyler Zoza The poorly done prologue for Batgirl that weakened her character instead of improving upon it, the art style and animation was poor at times, and the actual Killing Joke part of the film came across as rushed. That's just my opinion of course, but there were things I loved about the film (like Hamill's amazing performance).
The art i know from previous DC animated movies is terrific, However I feel that the art style particular to this movie is meant to feel like you're witnessing the comic book come to life. As for the prologue on batgirl........ i agree but then again i found more things to love about the movie such as Conroy and Hamill's performance.
The lowest point a person can be is when he believes that he's too far from being saved. This teared me up. And Joker's voice when he said "I'm sorry" is the most normal and saddest one that I've heard from him.
batman killed joker at 1:00, cuz he made him serious
and joker killed batman at 2:11 cuz he made him laugh
srsly did you ever see serious joker or laughing batman
thats why its called killing joke
Алексей Перкутов why does that make me so sad
Its cause he actually killed the joker. Notice the beam of light turns off. Like the joke that the joker says, "Youd turn it off when I was halfway across." Implying that he'd kill him. Batman starts laughing, then reaches out towards his neck. The laughing stops, and the beam of light turns off. Symbolizing that batman finally broke his golden rule and killed the joker. Hence the title "The Killing Joke."
Batman didn't kill him you extra chromosome bastards. He's alive in under the red hood
@@mr.0lvera922 THANK YOU!!! I finally understand the ending now!!! Thank you!!!
Charles Landrum Of course it was part of the main continuity. If not, then how come barbara remained crippled for the next like 25 years. Explain that .
I like the slow burn they left with the "It's far too late..." line. Really lets the depression sink in.
Just Some Guy with a Mustache. This scene alone is one of many reasons why I love the Batman universe (more than Marvel) so much. It gets really deep at times, but in a good way. In a way that makes you think.
How's just some guy without a mustache?
I love how the joke works, you can think of Batman as the first man or the second. If he is the first, he wants to bring joker out of the darkness into the light but the joker is scared, so Batman offers his shallow offer of help, which in the joke is the flash light beam. We know you can’t walk on light just like we know joker can’t be saved. But both of them think it would be possible to walk on the light, which in Batman and jokers case, they think they could save joker. But joker doesn’t do it, not cuz he thinks he can’t walk on the light, but because he doesn’t trust Batman. Now we can think of this the other way joker is number 1 guy. He jumped past the light into the dark and he is telling Batman to join him, but Batman is scared to go into the darkness, because he is afraid of what he might become. So joker in the joke says he will flash light and Batman can walk on it which shows joker shallow offer of killing him. We know(or at least think, it’s still up to debat) Batman won’t kill joker. They both think it is possible but Batman thinks joker might be tricking him or something like that. So he doesn’t take his offer(or does he?)
Thats the best explanation for the ending I've read so far
This is beautiful
I love this explanation! I would add on:
Even if its the third option, joker just telling a random joke that came into his head, it would still be effective. Because, what better way to show how far gone someone is that in this sort of grim situation, in this heart to heart, the second thought that comes into their head is to tell some random joke.
@@norishimogawa6125 there's a 4th.
That Joker and Batman realized that they know are both insane and that Joker and him do try to help each other instead of one helping the other. As they both know one can't exist without the other so to kill the Joker, Bruce has to Kill the Batman what better than for both to take the steps to help them of their sanity.
Its crazy...
That's why it will work.
1:05 why does Joker here seem so sentimental and 'normal', like he was a very sad and wishing to be good for a moment, it made me feel so bad for him
It`s how he looked in the comic in that part.
He sort of is, the guy is just a deformed man who has nothing to lose nor gain, so his only motive is to show others how he feels.
yeah but that behavior doesn't quite seem like Joker to me, showing his vulnerability
It wasn't his original intention to show his vulnerability, it's just something that ended up happening
Does Batman being afraid of bats seem in character? Of course it is all because you know his origin so well. That's why this feels off for the Joker. In the spotlight of his origin, which would have to add layers, it won't show what you normally think of as Joker.
I really like how the only thing joker can take seriously is Batman trying to help him, because that’s the only thing he can respect with his new mindset, everything else seems meaningless to him. Joker understands that Batman and him were in the same boat, and that he understands Joker.
Batmans laugh is creepy
Batman isn't laughing because it's funny.
It's the tension building off.
It's heavily implied he killed this joker after.
+lloydgush I always thought about it that way, but I wasn't sure that he killed him afterwards, is there any official confirmation that that's what really happened?
+André Muñiz no it was like an open-ending.
what does any of this have to do with my comment?
As far as am aware there never was any confirmation though there is deep implication, certinely in this case it's sound of batman laughing by himself as the joker suddenly remains quiet.
It’s really creepy when batman laugh alongside joker. Even more creepy that batman’s still laughing when joker stopped and we don’t know what’s happening because it’s off screen.
its because he choked Joker to death. That's why they showed batman grabbing him
We know what happened... but Batman purists who get hard for his "one rule" don't like to admit it...
@@thisisnotachannel idk i always thought he kidnapped him as a kid
@@BudTezzy2345 dammit, the creator of the book already debunked that.
One of the most well done scenes ever. It's just insane, Joker being as twisted and sadistic and chaotic as he is, showing exhaustion, some regret, sadness, Batman laughing heartily, the ambiguous nature of the end, one of the best moments ever put to comics or animation. Better in the comic version, but still good in the movie version.
1:00 - 1:20 The most sane moment in jokers history
The police siren lights and sound was an important element that got cut. I can't believe they did that. You're supposed to hear the laughters fading into the police sirens as for batman and joker into the police car light in order to REALLY create the ambiguity of not being able to know what happened while you couldn't see or hear them anymore.
Apart from the beginning of the film, this was fantastic. The fact they got Conroy and Hamill to recite their roles in this poetic scene of two well known characters having a heart to heart is just, wow. In my head canon I like to imagine they're both in the booth and they just take a moment to respect one another for the time they spent with these characters and the history they created in animation. Thank you Mark Hamill and Kevin Conroy for voicing out childhood
M(ARK) (HAM)ILL
O_O
I have been living in a lie!!
nice.
OH MY GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD
Mill???
Last panel shows how the light, in relation to the joke, is shut off. Implying something like, "you can't help an insane man."
Or... implying that it was "lights out" for the Joker.
Batman strangled his ass....
1:06 Damn... It is incredible to see some humanity in the joker in that panel, the drawing of the expression is loaded with sadness, joy, regret ... damn
Batman from Arkham City: "I still would have saved you."
Batman from The Killing Joke: "Let me help you."
Batman from Return of The Joker: "I'll break you in two."
Batman from Batman 89: "I'm gonna kill you!"
Batman from The Dark Knight Returns: "I'm through playing, Joker."
Batman from Under the Red Hood: "All I've ever wanted to do was kill him!"
I love how Batman goes from wanting to save Joker in one version, and then wants to murder his ass in another version.
You're missing the point. Batman feels both of those things completely. It is the contradiction of his belief that anyone can be saved and the desire to protect people from a person as deadly as the Joker.
Batman kills joker at the end
Well he wants to help him because he believes in redemption but also wants to kill him for what he has done. Tho in '89 he straight up just kills him without even offering redemption lol.
@@TheCapedArtist 89 movie is shit
@@idealism1447 ye
In the end, the "line" that separates the two of them is gone and it turns into one rainy blur. Such a brilliant comic with tons of interpretation
To be honest : it all makes sense to me now. Batman is the 1st jumper and the joker is the 2nd jumper.
Batman want to think her can help joker, but joker knows its futile, for his one bad day gave him a lifetime of misery and insanity. Batman (the 1st jumper: offers a helping hand to other guy,trying to set him free of his pain . While the joker(2nd jumper: knows that it's fruitless, and how off into the DEEP END HE Really IS IN. Think about the joke, ONE: he isn't confident enough to think he can change and be someone better. TWO: how sane is a person who thinks that his friend would cut off the FLASHLIGHT BRIDGE making him fall to his death?
Joker know that he is gone off deep end, and Batman kinda pick up on it, especially in the scene, where Batman offers a type truce to the fake joker. He(Batman) gave off that last warning shot ( ESPECIALLY AFTER YOU KNOW THAT JOKER KILLED JASON TODD BEFORE THIS INCIDENT WITH BARBARA, HOW MANY WARNING SHOTS DOES ONE GUY NEED?) Batman tried talking to joker, but in the end both know how far gone joker really is
oh shit thanks now it makes sense :)
I've been thinking recently how it was the other way around. Let's imagine Batman is the 2nd Jumper, while Joker is the 1st.
Both of them are trapped in this asylum, and it's bad enough that they both want out. Obviously, Batman has had a particularly rough day, on top of a normally bad life, so anything to make it better would be great; but for Joker, the asylum, the idea of trying to return to reality, it's not what he wants, either. He doesn't want to be normal, he wants to be free.
The 1st jumper is, much like the Joker, someone who finds crossing over is simple. It's just one leap away, just "one bad day" from happening. The 2nd jumper is terrified of falling, though; he's afraid of falling into the gap, the abyss that leads to nothing. That's Batman: he won't allow himself to fall, to join Joker's batch of madness. He even admits to the horror of facing the abyss, where nothing matters, hope is gone and madness is so close. Madness which, from Joker's monologue on memories, is freedom from reality - from the pain and hardship that it burdens everyone with, how it keeps building until people are "one bad day" away...
So Joker, as the 1st Jumper, offers Batman a way to cross over to madness, to not have to fall into the abyss while crossing over. But Batman, the 2nd jumper, is refusing. Not because the idea of crossing over light is impossible, no. The 2nd jumper doesn't question the logic of crossing the light; he just thinks the guy will double-cross him when he does. But that's mad; the both of them broke out together. Much like the second jumper, Batman doesn't argue with Joker's logic; he just believes Joker couldn't be trusted, even if he were to go down the path of madness together... but how illogical does that sound? That after all the Joker does to try and push Batman to madness, he would end up back-stabbing him before he reached it? You would have to be... mad.
And that's why Batman laughs. No matter which jumper he is - whether he's the 1st offering the light to the 2nd, or the 2nd refusing to trust the 1st - he's still insane. Joker is right, no matter which side you pick.
+CalvinDWalker damn that could also work, is it supposed to be left ambiguous? Left to our own interpretation?
+CalvinDWalker true true, but i think thats why Batman the first move.(at arkham dealing with the fake joker: he wants to AT LEAST TRY to solve this issue) but yea we're right the joker is FAR TOO GONE (to atleast make some type of rational decision: whether being the 1st jumper or the 2nd jumper, whinin either of our scenarios).... but nice analysis, very interesting
Yes, it's up to interpretation.
Batman cares for joker
exactly, because when it all boils down to it they're the same
batman cares for all his villain because he knows how they feel
+chris20364 he cares also because he helped create them, one way or another
for sure
+iHaveOneArm they had bad days
Supposedly canonically the Batman DID NOT kill the Joker in this scene
Source: some guy told me
Perfect source
Олександр Запорожченко thanks, I tried really hard
You're correct. Joker was trying to show that everyone is only a hairs breadth away from being just like him. Batman needed to prove to him that he was wrong. Hence why he says "I'm doing this by the book." Killing the Joker would be completely antithetical to that. It would be proving Joker right, that all it takes is a little push to make someone just like him, and Batman NEEDS to prove him wrong. This is why he actually tried to help him instead of just beating him up and throwing him into Arkham.
comicbook.com/news/the-killing-joke-script-proves-batman-didnt-kill-the-joker/
No it's true. He did not kill him. Could've left it open ended and up to interpretation, but they decided to make this story canon to the main DC comics universe. And since joker is still alive and kicking, it means that all this did happen, and Batman didn't kill him.
2:09 The joker could be crying right here and we don't know because is raining.
If you look at 2:05 they drew his eyes in a way where you can see the sadness
I think the point of the joke is, two things:
1. Two Asylum Escapees, Batman and The Joker - so Joker is acknowledging that they are both crazy.
2. The gap between the building is narrow, so while the first escapee is trying to help the second. The problem isn’t that he can’t physically get across, but that even though the gap is narrow, that mentally the distance is too vast for one of them bc he doesn’t trust the first escapee to help him all the way through. Batman doesn’t see Joker as Crazy but Joker is saying he’s already too crazy, bc while for Batman the gap is narrow enough to jump across, to the Joker who is way crazier, the gap is like a mile long.
Nothing makes me happier than hearing Batman and Joker laughing together.
Josh Got Bored he strangles him
I mean if you like the Batman laughing you are one scary guy
@@danatedawg1018 is just a theory
Anyone else think the Joker jumps to the punchline too quickly?
YEEEES! I thought it was just me!
yeah,they ruined it,all in this movie happens to quick,it lacks pacing.
Yep. Most of the important parts of this movie were done too quickly, I think... I was expecting better. But yet again, DC somehow has managed to let me down.
nah. i honestly laughed.
Yes!
Joker's last joke was more than that. It was a metaphor for the two of them, and Batman offering Joker his "freedom" from "insanity" by offering "a light" (at the end of the tunnel?) to "walk across" and "join him."
But the Joker is so insane, so far gone, and so beyond trusting people, that he can't believe that anyone would do anything other than play a joke on him, by cutting it off halfway across. A _cruel_ joke.
Batman doesn't laugh initially because he gets it, and it hits hard, and heavy. But he realizes that, in the end, it's just a joke, and he was supposed to laugh. So he does.
Because laughing is the only thing that could even remotely come close to "helping" the Joker right then.
its sad a part of the joker wants to go with batman but his insanity wont allow it and he knows. he gave up on fighting his insanity a long time ago
The light in the puddle in the final panel can be interpreted one of two ways:
1) the line that separates the two of them is gone now, and they both admit that they're exactly like each other.
2) Similar to the joke, the light that was intended to be his bridge to salvation is gone because he refused to cross it.
I liked the movie. The beginning part with Barbara was a little slow, though. I could have done without it.
then the movie would've been too short and people would've had more reasons to hate on the movie. i personally loved the movie, it was nice seeing the comic book come to life.
Batman is no jackrabbit.
Yeah I didn't like the beginning at all. It was too slow. Having not read The Killing Joke beforehand I kept asking where the Joker was. That Barbara stuff just seemed to go on FOREVER!
That's depressing. There is that last shred of humanity left in him that knows he's too far gone. :/
That was a awesome way to compare the movie and book! If we get anymore movies based on graphic novels could you format it like this again?
Batman why you snap neck
+AM Keefer you sure about that?
+Sexyrubberducky well technically the story is cannon so it would be impossible for batman to have killed the joker since he is alive in newer comics. but everything points to batman choking joker to death, so it's very confusing and that's why I love it!
Maybe Batman did choke Joker out to the point of passing out but not to the point of death by asphyxiation.
Percy Jackson
Look how desperate Joker’s eyes are in the comic at 2:07. He’s torn apart that he can’t go with Bruce, but he knows it’s the right choice
“You wouldn’t get it”
Uhh he did get it though, the meme failed bruv
When Joker rejected Batman's offer, he looks normal for a second. He can't control himself because of that acid. It was too late when not even the asylum fixed him. Harleen Quinzel couldn't fix him either. You can clearly see how he tries to fight the craziness inside him so he gave up after Batman's offer because he thought it wouldn't work. It's so depressing to see Joker sad.
Some say that this is a quiet way that Batman ends the jokers life in a subtle yet powerful way in my opinion, some say he’s still alive but I think this was the movies way where Batman finally killed off the joker thus we only hear his laughter
Joker became serious for the first time and batman laughed for the first time
I read the full comic, and what's it scary as a kid is that the born of Joker really feels like a nightmare. At least the comic is still cool tho
The joke explained their relationship so well.
The comicbook has an added scene where it mentions the sirens getting louder and the jokers laugh getting quieter. This is why its called the killing joke.
its weird seeing joker and batman laugh with eachother
thing is i think the point of the joke, is that Joker wants to try but he's afraid of falling back into this and prolonging the cycle, he'd rather just run it's course to death
The way you've cut this makes me wish Hamill and Conrey had just read the comic book, accompanied by the original panels from the book. Like an enhanced audio book or something. That would have made me happier then what we got with this movie.
Batman doesn’t want to let loose and go insane because he is sure that he was real close to the edge of no return due to his dreadful past. Joker doesn’t want to be sane anymore since his past is also traumatic, being crazy is much better than reliving the pain again.
Pretty sure that joker sees himself as the second guy in the joke. No matter what he does, he knows it ends one way. I think when the joker tells Batman no, the joker is really trying to save Batman from what the joker sees as a lost cause, namely himself...
The perfect ending would have been that the Joker accept Batman offer.
Maybe the answer to riddle that was the ambiguousness of the ending was right there in front of us all along: “Killing Joke.”
i feel like that joke was the jokers way of saying (me and bats are the 2 freinds escaping to freedom) and i want to cross to the otherside with you but when i get halfway there your leave me.
the laugh from batman at the end almost sounds like he is crying ;-;
They didn't have time for the full dialogue but they spent the first 30 minutes with Batgirl's pointless subplot?
tbh i liked the dialogue better in the animated movie but that batgirl batman subplot was an abomination
1:07 Joker finally becomes human again and says he's sorry... WOW
They laughed together almost like they were friends.
I love this scene they are enemies but they laugh together like family
I think the first guy is joker and the second is batman, and the part where batman stops is his point of no return ex: killing criminals.
I literally just got back from watching this in the cinema. i was hoping to see batman lose it and snap his neck... but by god the Joker is sick.
Batman never snapped his neck
comicbook.com/blog/2013/08/17/the-killing-joke-script-proves-batman-didnt-kill-the-joker/
+tokyorider2019 thank you! someone who realizes it
N E V E R H A P P E N E D! :D
Things change from script to actual production of the comic.
Alan Moore has LITERALLY said it's ambiguous, up the readers to decide.
Guess what loser? Most readers decided Joker was killed. It makes the most thematic sense in regards to the story and Batman's final monologue. Now stop crying kid.
Things change from script to actual production of the comic.
Alan Moore has L I T E R A L L Y said it's ambiguous, up the readers to decide.
Guess what loser? Most readers decided Joker was killed. It makes the
most thematic sense in regards to the story and Batman's final
monologue. Now stop crying kid.
How does that make the most thematic sense? Batman outright says he's "doing this one by the book", which would mean he's not gonna kill him, he's not gonna hurt him in any way, as he's trying to make one final appeal to Joker to change things before it is too late for both of them, as they both know that if nothing changes, the only outcome will be their mutual destruction. Joker turns it down as he feels he's too far gone for redemption, the cops pull up, and we see the beam of light in the reflection go out as any hope for an alternative outcome is lost.
That many readers have decided to interpret it differently isn't evidence to the contrary, but rather a show that many feel Joker's immunity to death should run out as he has long since passed the point of anything less feeling "right" to the fandom. Whether or not you agree with that, that's entirely on you, and you're entitled to that view. But putting someone else down for choosing not to see things that way isn't exactly going to win you or your views any points of favor.
Alot of people interpret Batman killing the joker here because the joker stopped laughing. I always saw it as Batman crossing the bridge into the jokers world. Trying to understand him. Which is why he puts his hands on his shoulder. The joker is then shocked and stops laughing. I'm not sure I'm nesssiarly right but i always thought this
Probably the only complaint I had was that it felt like the joke was rushed. I remember reading this comic back in college and what really stuck out to me was that the first and last lines spoken are the joke he’s telling. If they would’ve let Mark just slow down and really enjoy or savor what he’s saying, that would’ve made the ending more of a gut punch
Why does no one get his joke!
First guy offer was to WALK on the beam of light. It’s not possible! The joke was, second guy should point this out because it was a crazy idea to help him get accross the building. He instead told the first guy that he might just turn it off halfway accross which is crazy too!
That was the joke! They were both crazy. So one crazy guys can’t offer help to a crazy guy too. And yes, a metaphor to their situation.
Geez.
the truth is........
comic ver. is waaaaaaaaaaay more better than this attemp of animated version.
the truth is........it's just your opinion.
the truth is......that Alvaro is right because in the comic they just share a laugh and we can hear the cops getting closer
Except Flashpoint
@@jurassicpark1fan920 and thats also your opinion
Batman turned off the flashlight halfway through
This is my favorite part of the film other than Joker One Bad Day speech and the last between Joker and Batman
I notices around 2:42 there is a line between batman and the joker but as we move across the page the line disappeared along with batman laugh. Could that represent batman finally crossing the line, killing the jocker; or the line between right and wrong is fading away.
or i'm i reading to much into this lol
Wow I'm slow. I only ever saw the movie, rewatched this scene for kicks and now I get the joke. I think I was so perturbed by Batman laughing along after everything that had happened that the joke flew right over my head. The Joker's saying they're both crazy, they're the lunatics. Specifically, Batman is the one with the flashlight and Joker is the one who's _afraid of falling_ . He's afraid he'd accept Batman's help all for Batman just to abandon him halfway through and let the Joker plumet even further into madness.
Holy crap that's deep. It's like...the Joker understands he's balls to the walls, bag of cats crazy, but he doesn't understand how to be anything else. More over, he's not sure he wants to be anything else. That's why he keeps his past optional, never the same story twice, he can't cope with the atrocities that made him who he is, the Joker is literally a shield he (the man the Joker was) uses to protect his.....I don't know, last vestige of humanity or sanity?
I'm not good with metaphors.
Also how sane is the person offering a flashlight bridge to cross. How could a insane person save another it was delusional in the first place
The joker knows that batman will kill him and this is why he lauf. Joker beleive in the absolute love and liberty a world with no problems so he loves it when batman kill him and let him back to his shit
WELL, DO YOU NOTICE THAT IF JOKER STARTS LAUGHING IT TAKES A LOT OF TIME TO STOP, IN THE LAST PART OF THE SCENE, HIS LAUGH WAS SO SHORT !!! I GUESS BATMAN KILLED HIM WHEN HE PUT HIS HAND IN HIS SHOULDERS.. THERE MIGHT BE SOME SHARP WEAPON IN BATMAN'S HAND.. OR HE MUST HAVE CHOCKED HIM TO DEATH WHEN THE THE PICTURE OF THE MUDDY ROAD WAS SHOWN... BUT I AM SURE THAT SOMETHING MUST HAVE HAPPENED TO THE JOKER....
Well, it was separate before it sold so well that it became cannon,and he did snap his neck originally
@@aprofessionalgamer5355 no, he didn't. Try not to pull things out of your ass when you don't know what you are talking about and thousands of people are here that actually know lmao
Its too late when people cant trust you anymore.
I really forgot the whole first half they added with Batgirl. Didn’t understand it, made jokes about it like with other things, and the rest was a really good one to one. Especially the “Here’s to Crime” Scene(No pun intended). The Dramatic build as she realizes who she opened the door for us just chilling.
The worst thing they have done. What did they think when they made it?
"Lets give Batgirl more character. More to do. What could we put into the movie to accomplish that goal. Hmmm.
Well, she is a woman...so let her f**k Batman. Thats what the story is missing!"
I know it's left ambiguous, I personally feel like after realizing joker knows he's too far gone and just wants to have fun with it before he's gone. Batman realizes he's in the same situation, just on the opposite side of the law. The sick twist in irony was so much for him that he just felt like he needed to laugh, combine that with a dark but fitting joke from the joker perfectly fitting their situation I doubt bats could hold it in. It may seem like Batman just strangled him or joker simply stopped cackling; However my own personal belief is that mid laugh joker realized he finally did it. He finally got Batman to break character and show under all that goth drab joker had finally hit a point with Batman, which most likely stunned him into silence probably just to enjoy listening to his nemesis/best friend laugh away some of the pain he's been carrying for so long. That's why joker will always be one of the greats to me.
Given how Joker's broken the 4th wall before, I believe he knows that should their conflict end, so would the series, and therefore so would he. When he says he's "afraid of falling", my interpretation is that he isn't afraid that society will reject him or that he doesn't believe in himself, it's that he's afraid of being cancelled. He's afraid of *dying.*
That ending audio combined with the comic imagery makes it look like they both had a good laugh and nothing else.
The only (and essential) beat that the movie ending missed was the light beam in the puddle breaking and disappearing in the final four panels. It's the end of the joke. The end of their story.
can someone explain to me the killing joke ending joke
the joke is a metaphor for Batman's offer. Batman is offering to rehabilitate him, and take him under his wing. The Joker provides a story of two people (Batman and The Joker) breaking out of an insane asylum, insinuating that's where they both belong. The idea of the story is that one guy makes it across (Batman), and The Joker is scared to make the jump to sanity. Batman has a flashlight to help guide The Joker to sanity, but The Joker says the guy didn't jump because he feels the one already across (batman) will stop shining the light as soon as he jumps. It's a metaphor that Batman won't really help The Joker, or aid him back to sanity, and this fear of his causes The Joker to refute his offer. Hope this helps.
+Slcmof well fucking done sir. This was masterfully edited.10/10 Ign .Which is not an insult in this case
+Slcmof oh wow how sad thanks I was trying to figure it out
The joke is that the beam of light wouldn't let the second guy go across at all. It shows that the second guy didn't get that, and he said, "...you'll get turn it off *half way* "
I agree except for your last point. The Joker doesn't think Batman is gonna turn off the light and not help him so to speak. It's just that he believes the beam of light is pointless, because obviously nobody can walk on light. He believes that he is far beyond saving. That's why before the joke he says "Far too late for that"
Scary how Joker was the first to stop laughing.
Did you use Final Cut Pro for this?
yes (:
does it have green screen capabilities?
+Slcmof I watched the movie and agree with you , don't like first 30 minutes
im sorry but i don't really get the joke here please tell me whats soo funny
+jenovacorporation I GET IT its that barman is the first guy and and joker is the sec. guy and so the first guy jumps (barman) and he did perfectly fine the sec.guy(joker) said he can't do it the first guy said yes you can I will flash a flash light soo you can walk over, so what its saying is that barman is ok get help he can do thing without hurting his self so barman jumps and so joker can't jump because he hurt his self with killing and he knows that he can go to jail so barman say I can help you with all this problem but joker don't believe that batman cant help so joker dont jump or walk and stay there own slides
Imagine if they spent the money on the coloring and angles of this film rather than that WEIRD and Uncomfortable first 30 minutes of the movie, we could've has the Darkest and most unsettling Batman movie ever.
Just got back from watching this, I loved it! my friends seemed slightly annoyed at the sudden ending but they came around after we talked about it. Definitely one of the best Batman / Joker stories.
As most people have realised already, Batman and joker represent the escapees that joker mention in his joke and that Batman jumped the gap and jokers too scared to join and refuses his help but notice In the last few panels of the comic it shows truck lights making a bridge of light separating Batman and joker and then light turns off after joker denies Batman’s help of rehabilitation, and saying he’s “too far gone”
This shows the difference between joker (at least this one) and the rest of the common criminal. Most criminals are highly manipulative and would have taken that chance to either find out a secret about Batman or try to trick him. But joker is just destructive, sadistic, and most likely vengeful. There is a technique called "gaslighting" we're a manipulative person will try to convince you that your perception of reality is incorrect. They do this by drawing you into a long conversation with them and just keep denying what you "heard" or "seen" as many times as they can. They seed into your mind doubt and hope it will grow with time. I'm saying this because this shows you don't even need any reasonable stances to manipulate someone. That's how weak humans are to manipulation.
Hearing both kevin and mark voice overlapping with the comic panels are so great and I wish they could do more with the animation *sigh*
I understand that joke now... Joker knows that deep down, batman want to kill him, and batman knew that too when he heard the joke. That is why batman killed joker
Batman and Joker are soulmates.
Daniel Aldrete Wait, people SHIP Harley and Joker?? They're like.. The textbook definition of domestic abuse
This is and will most likely be my favourite comic book story line i ever read. I used to think the joker was overrated but when I read this I understood he wasn’t just a clown killing for the hell of it, it showed even he was tired and wanted a way out but he couldn’t do it willingly so batman had to do it
Anyone think we will get to see Leto and Afleck do this scene?
I normally don't complain about this kind of stuff but I feel like the way that version of Joker looks would ruin it. Can't really give an opinion on the acting part of it since that movie isn't out yet. That being said, seeing a live action version of this would be pretty sweet.
I dont see afleck and leto being able to execute this scene, their style of batman and joker is'not serious and realistic but rather, power and more of comic, I see Ledger and Bale styles of batman and joker doing this but Ledger died. who knows whatd happen.
Hopefully not
Odd as this sounds...I could see this scene between Amy Adams's Lois Lane and Margot Robbie's Harley Quinn.
Yes
Totally forgot how awesome the art work looked, and damn, never noticed how old Mark Hamil sounded in this movie
I feel this movie missed out on some visuals that could've blown the other DCAU films outta the water
I really love this film. Never had read the graphic novel but defiantly heard of it. The ending with Batman and Joker gave me chills. Love the ambiguity of the situation. On the whole Batgirl prologue, sure it was unneeded besides making the film a full length feature and to make the audience feel more for Batgirl but the whole thing with Batgirl and Batman didn't bother me because it has been done before the DCAU before. I'm glad it didn't last there and believe it won't last in this continuity either.
When I read the comic I thought batman grabbed the Joker and strangled him in the air :P
Someone made a nice pov about the asylum joke, i cant recall their user name but they explained how they percieved it as the joker jumped across the gap, into the world of insanity and batman hanging on to the sanity he has left was the one afraid to jump and the constant fight will be him risking that flash light bridge. They explained it far better. Usually people see it as batman jumping the gap and joker not trusting batman to free him which a can make sense too, just was an interesting take on the joke. And i can see that cuz one of the biggest obsessions the joker has for bats is making him realize hes crazy too, just a vigilante that tries to avoid killing.
It is batman as jumper 1 and joker as jumper 2. Batmans offer of rehabilitation is the light between the gap, and the Joker won't take it because he won't trust Batman.
Ha So There Both Laugh At The Killing Joke. Love This Relationship.
Kevin Conroy laughing sounds like Adam West and I can’t get it out of my head.
So did he kill the joker? His laugh faded before Batman's. It would make sense since its called The Killing Joke
Yes. He killed him
@Týr yes.
Grant Morrisons' take on it. "That’s why it’s called 'The Killing Joke.' The Joker tells the ‘Killing Joke’ at the end, Batman reaches out and breaks his neck, and that’s why the laughter stops and the light goes out, ’cause that was the last chance at crossing that bridge. And Alan Moore wrote the ultimate Batman/Joker story - he finished it."
If you now that the Joker is super sane and knows this is a comic book, he just woke up Batman with that they are in a comic book, if you look at the comic pictures you notice they both disappear
This honestly makes me sad for some reason
Can you imagine Kevin Conroy doing a voice for Batman Who Laugh? That would be terrifyingly awesome
I had to hear that joke 5x until I got that the “beam” was a light beam from the flashlight. Hope this helps all you slow people like me 🤷🏻♂️