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The ending of The Killing Joke has been debated for decades. What really happened on those mysterious final panels? Did Batman REALLY kill Joker once and for all? Or was there something else at play? What if the Dark Knight used one of Joker's own gags against the Clown Prince?! Of course, that's just a theory...
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I always assumed Joker's laughter stopped because he was shocked that Batman was laughing
That's actually a good theory
I thought he stopped laughing because he could relate that’s why it’s so funny so he knew how bad of a day he also had
I actually thought the Same exact thing, because for one the comedian who wasn't funny got a laugh
That would make the most sense since Batman's whole no kill rule
The allegory/Joke with the beam of light is the hope that either asylum mate (Batman and Joker) can convince the other of each others worldview/philosophy and all it would take is a bit of trust on the others part. I believe Batman realizes he can't help or rehabilitate joker at the end and laughs at the joke because he realizes he's about to turn the beam of light out on the Joker (In other words killing him/extinguishing his light). The reason I think that is because in the last panel it looks pretty clear that Batman has the upper hand on Joker, lifting him into the air, choking him out. Perhaps even the Joker has slightly convinced Batman that he has to lose his sanity and as Batman loses his sanity he does an insane thing like killing the Joker instead of bringing him in as promised. That's really my best take from all the evidence provided.
The idea that Batman was somehow pricked by the poison even though he already removed it from the Joker seems a little weak. They probably included that so you might think that was part of Batmans laughter.
Personally, I just like to believe they shared a good laugh, Joker went quietly, and Batman visited him at Arkham for movie night on Saturdays.
Dont see it any other way
Sundays
Bro that totally blows my mind because I was just thinking what if that’s all the joker really wanted was to make Batman his friend
@@matthewrobinett1012 that happened in the Telltale game for batman they became friends then stuff happened and they became enemies
*So the telltale series ending is canon for me*
I always thought Joker stopped laughing because he was so shocked to hear Batman, a dark and brooding person, laugh
Same
Same
@@kastamonuaystokatlayan1824
*Batman Joker laughing*
*Joker stops laughing and stares as bat is still laughing*
Joker: "Errr.... Bats why are you laughing!?"
I thought it was because the police finally arrive so they just simply head on over to them
Same
Seeing as how the DC universe runs on multiverse theory anyway, it's perfectly acceptable to believe he both was and wasn't killed at this point.
like a Schrödingers cat kinda thing? I like that idea a lot.
+lazybricker0247 more like Everett's Parallel Universe
The Dynamic Deist
Deism is awesome.
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Nahhhh that’s a weird explanation
Batman killing Joker is also deeply ironic. It was never Gordon he was trying to push to the edge - it was Batman.
hmm
+GYO-Snakeman no he was trying to push slipknot over the edge
He was trying to push the edge over it's self because someone told him it wasn't possible and he had dreams
There's a wrestler named Edge, maybe Joker was trying to push him over the edge?
He was just push Marhta's corpse over the edge.
SCOTT YOU'RE FORGETTING ABOUT THE JO...wait. Never mind.
Why do people always comment before watching the whole video?!?!?! Haha
*****
You bloody nailed it, mate!
+NerdSync LMFAOO.... seriously !!
YOU HAD ONE JOB !!!!
Mr Sunday Movies lol.
This is what i personally think:
- Batman kicks poison thing away
- in the middle of the fight, Batman looks at his hand, because he sees the poison needle scratched his hand (not stabbing, so the effect would take longer to start). He will die though, and he knows it.
- Later, Batman tries to make the Joker a good person one last time
- The Joker refuses, and explains why with his joke
- Batman now starts feeling the effect of the poison, which causes him to laugh. There's no way a guy like Batman would laugh at a joke like that. It's not funny at all. It's the poison that's making him laugh.
- Batman now has no options left. He knows he is going to die, so he kills the Joker. They both die laughing.
THAAAAANK YOU!!! it was like no body noticed. Batman looks at has hand. Calls himself stupid(in his head) the goes berserk on joker.
Idk man I thought the joke was pretty funny
The battman who laughs is born... not dead...
Meaning this was probably an alternate universe..
What fight are u talking about? Because if your talking about the final battle the joker was going to use it but Batman dodged it. When did Batman see he was scratched? When did he say I was dumb for that?
You're forgetting a core conceit of this story. _The Killing Joke_ was not meant to be an in continuity story. Elements of the story were incorporated into the main continuity after _The Killing Joke_ became popular. So, the Joker could die in this story, and still be okay in the main DC universe.
Thats very true.
But that's exactly what he is talking about in Part 1: th-cam.com/video/eMQqgFmbkus/w-d-xo.html
A strong point. DC would never let anyone kill the Joker, Joker makes them too much money. DC is a business, it's pursuit of profit compromises the art. That's why the killing Joke had to get published without showing Joker dying, otherwise it would not have been printed.
Not at all true: www.cbr.com/comic-book-legends-revealed-585/
Well he tell about this idea on first part and its wrong idea
What if Batman was injected with the joker venom and that is why he was looking at his hand and realizing he was going to die soon. He then became more brutal to end the fight sooner. Then after fighting Joker and the venom in the end he realized there is nothing he can do and laughs along side the joker because the venom is kicking in. The abrupt stop in laughter is Joker seeing Batman die in front of him.
Interesting.
lol
That would be one of the biggest and most badass plot twist ever
He wouldn't have had time to beat the shit out of the Joker then
I like the idea that batman got injected, but not completely. So he wouldn't "Die" but loose his mind (which explains the random laughing). That way the needle would still have some joker venom to stick joker with. The low dose given to batman could have made him loose his marbles long enough to do who knows what to Joker. So maybe they both got injected? Just one a little more then the other. Kind of how they both could be considered crazy, only one (joker) more then the other (batman). You definitely are on to something. That was kinda my hypothesis sorry XD
What if batman DID get stuck by the needle? By the time he is seen only in silhouette and he breaks out in laughter he may have been turned by the venom. What if the light going out was batmans life? What if the first inmate was the joker, free to wreak havoc in the world and the second was batman...afraid to finally make the escape from the rules and laws of society?
A fantastic interpretation!
Oh my God... He wasn't laughing because he thought the joke was funny, he was laughing because the Joker Venom caused him to laugh himself to death...
Mind. Blown.
this is brilliant!
GENIUS
You got the joke, BUT the roles of the 2 lunatics seem a little wrong.
Here's my theory.
WATCH AND LISTEN CLOSELY TO JOKER'S "KILLER JOKE" BEFORE READING.
(Batman & Joker. They are both victims of lunacy. Batman with his obsession in dressing up as a bat to fight crime. Joker for losing everything in one bad day. The asylum of which we speak are the limits within one's mind. Our realities. Our so called "norms".)
(This implies that leaving one's realities and limits FREES these lunatics to do as they please and want. Their lunacy is now something they can [from within] accept and let loose. Having no shame concerning the laws, the "standards" mankind have.)
(Obviously, Joker embraced his lunacy and made his jump to the other rooftop and is free to express his lunacy. His crazy side. Batman, on the other hand, was afraid. He still wanted his sanity. He did not want to fall and let his madness drag him to his death. Hence, implies "abyss" throughout the movie and "falling" in the joke.)
(Light is usually coined as "Hope" and solid path. However, Joker meant this light as a false hope. Something to coax Batman into attempting to jump and embrace his madness. Or tricking Batman to embrace his madness.)
(Batman is aware of the risk in listening to The Joker. He is aware that Joker doesn't really intend on helping Batman 100%. Since they are both lunatics, they will have to kill each other eventually. To The Joker[possibly] Why not "help him across" now with false hopes and promises and let him fall into the abyss?)
That is where the joke ends and....
(As the camera draws down, we notice the remaining laughter was Batman's. Why? Because, Batman did fall into this abyss. He walked across the beam of light and fell off of the asylum rooftop that night. Batman died(mentally) because of that joke. [Which is why it's call The Killing Joke] His emotion and principles were shook and he let the darkness embrace him. This lead to Joker's physcial & immediate death, but his life's impact on Batman is so compelling that Joker now lives within him. Batman is in a place where he can no longer come back from. The Joker won. He made his point. We can all go insane. REGARDLESS of how strong you may be in your principles, foundations, values, morals, faith....call it what you will. We all have an insane part of us within. Are you going to embrace it? Or will you try to ignore it and let it eat you up from the inside?)
DAMN. That took a while to type up! :) I hope you all understand The Killing Joke. And no. I haven't read the comics or whatever. This is my own interpretation of this joke. I just have this crazy obsession with The Joker and his perspective when it comes to mankind and so called "sanity".
I understand the idea of the joke explanation you have. However, the main character wasn't Batman. It IS The Joker. The whole story isn't trying to thwart The Joker's ploy to make crime. No. The whole story is focused on how The Joker is attempting to bring Batman to the side of expressing his lunacy freely. Batman has always imprisoned his thoughts with discipline and good mental fortitude, BUT his obsession to stop Joker is something like a psychological disorder. He will stop at nothing to make sure The Joker doesn't hurt people. Batmans' dilemma? He can't kill..........Except when met with complete mental horror. Bat Girl. Commissioner Gordon. Flashbacks of history and even a confrontation with his own morals as a crime fighter were all at risk that night. Batman does his best to escape each trial in the funhouse before meeting Joker. Why? He doesn't want to be reminded. He doesn't have the capacity to control his emotions and his weaknesses like Commissioner Gordon. The Joker's Killing Joke may have costed his life, but WON over Batman by forcing Batman to cross the line he vowed to himself and his life as a crime fighter.
I agree wholeheartedly! Batman's whole thing had been that he (and others like him) are different from the so called "scum" of Gotham. He proves this by not killing. That's his bridge of light. If he kills he passes onto the building. The Joker wants to prove that there's nothing inherent in a person which makes them make that decision.
BTW, I love how the Batman keeps telling the Joker that there are still "good people" that won't resort to killing, not understanding that the whole point is that nothing matters and that if you realize that, you will realize that there is no such thing as "good" or "bad" people, if value is just a creation of the human mind. If you escape those limitations, created by your mind, (go insane, if you will), then you realize that there is no "good" or "bad"!
I like that theory of yours! And I also just became a fan of this and I haven't read the comics yet, also I think this theory might be true or maybe I just didn't get the joke 😅😂
I feel like this angle has been explored to death though. I feel like the "Batman and joker need each other" setup/punchline/whatever has been done to the point of being stale.
It's kind of like watching a children's TV program. You know the types, where they overexplain everything multiple times to the point that even children get sick of it and switch it off? Yeah. That's what Batman's series has become with this "We need each other" angle.
We get it, batman and the joker are no better than each other and each no worse.
Except people who arn't mentally challenged don't really see it that way. That's why there was so much love for the Red Hood in most comic circles. (That I've seen anyways). There comes a time when you have to cut losses. Everyone realizes that except batman. And every sane human being on the planet has to be rolling their eyes any time this "We need each other, you and I / We're not so different, you and I" cliche rolls around inevitably across any game or movie or series or comic book run.
It's trite. It's not the way people function. Batman's angle is that he never kills people, except when he does (And often it's innocent people) in order to "Stop" the person who is mercilessly killing innocent people because he doesn't want to let the world know that....wait. What exactly is batman trying to prove?
Because even Robin in the latest Injustice game puts it bluntly. "You're okay with giving a cop life-long trauma and brain injuries but you arn't okay with killing?"
Batman assaults police forces, lets innocent people die, has done things to people that can ONLY result in death but writes it off as a knockout, gives people life-altering beatings such as strikes to the spine or broken limbs, turns to drugs when he can't buy his way out of a situation and even when all is said and done, he can't even say that he proved anything because in reality all he ever did was hurt Gotham more than he helped it. He may not want to believe it but there's more blood on Batman's hands than there is on the Jokers. I guess that's what he's so proud of. Being the real antagonist all along.
Pearl Mas I enjoy it when comics flirt with the concept of good and evil because it’s true that they’re both social constructs and both think they are doing the right thing and are the protagonist of their own story
Batman isn't necessarily the first inmate who got away. The Joker says throughout the book that sanity was basically a prison and insanity was the escape. The beam of light being shown is representative of an individuals "perspective." Both Batman and The Joker are shining a light beam for the other to follow. You can't walk across a beam of light in the first place so the first inmate is crazy to suggest it and the second inmate is crazy because he thinks he'll die (not from the fact that you can't walk on a beam of light) the first can't be trusted to guide him over unharmed. Neither of them are sane enough to help the other escape from the "Asylum" that one bad day stuck them end. That's THE KILLING JOKE! The first inmate can shine the light beam for the second to cross or turn it out half way across, in either cause they will kill the other! We don't know who will play what role in the end since their both equally crazy with valid perspectives.
Finally someone who gets it
Why would they kill each other if they both crossed?
The allegory/Joke with the beam of light is the hope that either asylum mate (Batman and Joker) can convince the other of each others worldview/philosophy and all it would take is a bit of trust on the others part. I believe Batman realizes he can't help or rehabilitate joker at the end and laughs at the joke because he realizes he's about to turn the beam of light out on the Joker (In other words killing him/extinguishing his light). The reason I think that is because in the last panel it looks pretty clear that Batman has the upper hand on Joker, lifting him into the air, choking him out. Perhaps even the Joker has slightly convinced Batman that he has to lose his sanity and as Batman loses his sanity he does an insane thing like killing the Joker instead of bringing him in as promised. That's really my best take from all the evidence provided.
The idea that Batman was somehow pricked by the poison even though he already removed it from the Joker seems a little weak. They probably included that so you might think that was part of Batmans laughter.
I don't know if either perspective is valid, in fact I'd say they're both equally invalid as Batman isn't justice as much as he is vengeance.
The killing joke is referring to the guy's fear of the other turning the flashlight off halfway through and causing him to fall to his death, Joker is afraid to fail and thinks that Batman will just stop helping him when he's halfway there. There's also their entire relationship depending on Batman being Batman and Joker being Joker. In White Knight, Batman had gone missing and the Joker regained his sanity because there just was no Joker Without Batman. He ended up suing Gotham and winning
Involving the joke part: what if the first patient was joker and the second was batman? And the asylum is about sanity? Joker escaped sanity while batman is on the brink of going insane? And batman killing the Joker (stinger or otherwise) is the other patient crossing the "bridge" to insanity.
hmm
+Jon Snow don't act like you know what's going on, you know nothing Jon Snow.
Interesting theory
Slick just blew my fucking mind O.O
Tiddly Winks stfu
Pretty sure they started making out in the ending
Gg
#BatSex
Batnips ftw
This fanfic was made in a collab of Harley Quinn and Barbara Gordon
so true...not making mortal enemies is a good policy. leaving someone to shoot your love ones is very questionable
i say he didn't kill him, the point was they shared a laugh together and had one moment as friends or closes they can come to it knowing they can't ever actually trust each other or be friends so you see batman laugh so much he holds onto joker, you see "hahaha" representing joker and "hehehe" representing batman, you see the police lights approaching represented in circle lights, both still laughing, then it scrolls down and the lights are next to them represented with the line light, then the lights are gone and you only see batmans laugh, meaning they both laughed the police came they still laugh police get joker and leave and you only hear or see batman still laughing by himself after joker gets taken in, the point Gordon made was take joker in the right way showing him no matter if a person is pushed to the edge of insanity, they can still prevail with a justice system, there's a theory that the police arrive to take jokers dead body and batman to the station but they leave when you see the lights are gone and batman is still there so they don't take batman and also that completely goes against what Gordon and batman tried to show joker, anyways this isn't right it is just my opinion.
Jokers point is all it takes is one bad day. Him raping Barbra after shooting her was to prove a point, that Batman can be broken or driven mad, because he's already crazy as the joker realistically and that's why they're infatuated with eachother. Gordon telling Bruce to bring him in by the books shows nothing but the fact that Gordon couldn't be broken or driven mad. Batman laughing at the joke shows he's crazy as the joker and shows they have a common ground, but Bruce knows what must be done and the joker accepts his fate knowing that he's proved his point, and is strangled to death. Just my theory but sounds better. If the women I loved was paralyzed from fighting crime with me and then raped in that state, id think it would drive most people mad enough to end things
What? He did not rape her! Aslo.. killing joke is cannon.. and joker is not dead in later books. At the end he is not grabbing him by the neck but by the shoulder. And the way i see it.. idea of batman killing joker completley misses the point of the book.
Seriously. People are reading WAAAAY too much into things. If the Joker had done that, it (like her spinal injury) would've been mentioned by the doctor giving Bats a rundown of her injuries. Also, I don't buy this so-called "theory", that Batman murdered the Joker.
BboyZoinks they're was a podcast and the writer/author for many Batman comics, Grant Morrison explains that Batman reaches out to The Joker and breaks his neck..thats why The Joker's laughing suddenly stops and lighting fades out.
Aki Henri Petteri Alaraatikka thats just like saying in the comics its only been said that bruce's parents being murdered is his origin, but its not dont make it the definite origin of batman. If something is heavily emphasized in canon material, unless said otherwise then it may as well be true. The comic or text is making you beleive that for a reason.
i love the idea that they just share a laugh
I've never considered those last 3 frames to be the laughing ending. That "eeeeeeeee" is the siren of the approaching police car.
You are not the only one. Actually that's the main point against morrison's and other's 'death' interpretations, is that Joker usually gets taken away or escapes the clutches of death in many other comics.
or eees jokers laugh and when the lights are gone the esss are also gone because they took the joker in still alive maybe
Right, the "EEEEEEE" is undoubtedly the sirens. It's written in the script explicitly. But there are also "HAHAHAHAHAH"s going on in those same panels that just stop.
Its not a joke if you have to explain it. XD
Its for the people who didnt get it.
Jenny was quoting season 4 episode 21 of "Batman: The Animated Series" titled "Mad Love", it was the episode where Harley Quinn trapped Batman and was about to kill him for the Joker using one of his failed plans that she modified, it was a very good episode, then again so is the whole show
+Alex Bernal no problem sir
This is actually pretty deep
+Ace Knight it's from the animated series
The joke told at the end is a reference about Batman, and the Joker. But the punchline "What do you think I am crazy? You'll just shut the light off when I'm half way across!" That is Joker letting Batman know that he doesn't trust Batman's offering. Getting hope, and a helping hand from Batman is just as crazy of an idea as walking across a beam of light from a flash light. The last line "You'll just shut it off when I'm half way acroos" That is Joker saying I like your idea, and I want to be rehabilitated. He just doesn't trust Batman. So he laughs, and Batman laughs, and they share a brief moment. Then the joker shuts up ,and becomes rigid. That is Joker (well that Joker) finally having a break down, break through, realization, acceptance. What ever you want to call it. That is that Joker finally getting serious, and accepting Batman's helping hand. The reasons we don't see that is 1. They wanted the ending to be vague to draw more attention to it, and to make it more artsy/fartsy 2. Everything about the true origin of the Joker has always been hidden in mystery. His true name, family members, life experiences. Even the origin this story gives for the Joker in later comics it's stated some of it maybe lies, some parts might be true, it might be a colaborated story of the 3 known Jokers, it might be totally made up, or a true origin of a Joker not yet known about. Nobody really knows. One thing I know for sure though. If the Joker after Batman finished laughing stated in a serious voice "My name is James Marsden I was a shoe salesman in the mall. I had a wife who left me for my boss. Could you get me some help? I'd really like to see my daughter." You can't end on a boring note that closes a book on a character. Cause it's boring, and nobody would like it. Batman didn't kill him. He earned his trust. Allowing the joker to finally get serious.
I like your interpretation of the joke; the idea being that the lunatic who made it across is Batman, and the lunatic who is stuck on the other side, is the Joker.
But I do feel it's less about the Joker's trust for Batman, and directed more at Batman himself. Batman is no less crazy than the Joker for thinking that he can help bring him to the good side, as shown by the idea of the lunatic believing a beam of light as a bridge can help him.
And it's at this moment Batman embraces this idea as shown by his laughter, accepting that the Joker was right; he was insane for ever believing he could bring him to the good side/ save him.
And after Batman breaks out in laughter, alongside the Joker, signifying them as the two lunatics, Batman comes to terms with what must be done; his beloved rule must be broken. And as Grant Morrison brought up, the light in the rain symbolises the torch light the lunatic (Batman) offered as a bridge to the other lunatic (The Joker), as it slowly dwindles away, showing that any opportunity for Batman to help the Joker has now been lost.
But this is just my interpretation of the story... I do like the idea that it was left ambigous as it gets people talking about a great story, and it's nice to hear different peoples interpretation of the story itself.
that would make sense. In the joke, the man who doesn't want to walk on the flashlight knows that it will be turned off halfway across, and that's exactly what happens in the comic. The Joker starts walking, and the light shuts off instantly, letting him fall to his doom.
Bryon Turner it's also a very very old parable. Read the scorpion and the frog. Same joke, except, it's not a joke, nor funny. Aesop's fables I believe I read it in.
Finally someone didn't say anything about batman + joker being gay! Thanx buddy
Joker saying what you quoted about being James Mersden would have been awesome actually.
I just thought he was holding on to joker's shoulder...
I thought joker poisoned Batman with laughing gas....
@@Titanoooo I thought so aswell
But hey... That's just a theory. A COMIC theory!
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I like to think batman did kill joker and this is a separate universe
Its in the main universe though
+Peter Quill I think you miss his point.
+Peter Quill Shush.
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Peter Quill ya but I like to imagine it that way
Your final synopsis I would say is spot on. The light going out symbolizes Batman's realization that the Joker cannot be rehabilitated. The laughter stopping comes from the reality settling in the Joker that he truly cannot be rehabilitated. He knows Batman is right about their suicide course and up until then a piece of him hoped that Batman was right that he was somehow able to be rehabilitated, but hoping is for children. That's why he responded verbally the way he did. If you noticed the whole thing really for a second took him aback unlike anything I have ever seen take the Joker off guard. He didn't immediately begin maniacally laughing at such a notion, because for a split second that notion wasn't so ridiculous. He seemed hopeful, then immediately regretful, knowing that it will eventually end with one or both of their deaths. The last piece of him that was that grieving father and husband, that wishes he wasn't who he was, effectively died.
I think Batman's laugh started to creep the Joker out so he just abruptly stopped laughing.
"Uh..batty..you feelin alright..?"
I feel like this ending is for some to interpret their OWN ending. Books or stories that have endings like this are always fascinating because people have a wide imagination and there's just no end to the ending.
P.S. What I feel like happened is that Batman is having a flashback and he remembers laughing with the joker, who probably died somewhere in between "the killing joke" and his flashback.
What if bat man was stabbed. He quickly realized he was going to die however the effects would take longer due to some (bat) training. But he was still going to die. This was the end. Everything came to this. He would soon die, leaving behind Gotham, his mission, his friends. He was going to die and the joker was going to live. He was enraged at the thought of the joker getting away. In his anger he began to fight. Joker said the (killing) joke and laughed. But then Bruce began to laugh uncontrollably. He knew his time was up. He knew he would die letting the joker get away with paralyzing Barbra and all of his unspeakable acts. So he used his last strength to murder a laughing Joker while laughing. Bat man killed the joker stopping Joker's laugh. Then Batman's laughter stopped.
Nope bat training can't help you
But the park owner didn't laugh when he died
@@someone0 you dont know that it only showed a panel of joker shaking his hand then he died and when he died he was pretty far from joker meaning he could have laughed on his way back to his car then die
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damn thats deep and dark
the three jokers story is stupid as hell
Since we haven't even seen that story yet, I'd say your judgment is premature.
The premise is dumb. That better?
I agree, it's just dumb that there's 3 jokes
may be that's why he thinks he has so many different pasts "multiple choice" because he's heard so many stories about the other jokers past along with his and all of them seem so real that it confused him
Well, there are more than 1 Batman. Dick Grayson and Jason Todd for example and the Batman Beyond.
Isn't killing joke a one-shot? It's just a batman story. Never thought or heard that it was canon.
no its not a one shot...its canon..
Pretty sure it was originally a one-shot, but then they canonized it later.
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because of the popularity, huh?
Sarafan Dumah after the killing joke u never saw barbara as batgirl right? she was still paralyzed...it was a continuity from the start...maybe during its initial publications it was meant to be one shot but it is canon now
It's not canon
You know who I think is the real focus of the story should be? Not Barbara, not Batman, not even Joker. It's Commissioner Gordon. Think about it in his point of view. A monstrous psychopath escapes from his asylum, the psycho barges in, shoots his daughter right in front of him, paralyzingly her, can't even fight back as he is knocked out, kidnapped and taken to a carnival of Hell, wakes up to the sight of three disfigured freaks stripping him naked, shackle him, take him around to see the psycho taunting him about how he is going to drive Jim insane, pushed on to a roller coaster, sees images of his naked daughter, lying on the floor bleeding, (and for all he knows, possibly raped), and has to hear Joker mock him with a song. THEN when the ride ends, is locked up in a cage to be laughed at and humiliated by circus freaks. When he is rescued by Batman, who might I remind you is someone who's real identity he might not even be sure of, he tells Batman to bring Joker in by the book.
I don't care what you say about how Barbara gets treated and doesn't get real development in the story, at least everything afterword showed how tough she was by making her Oracle and a stronger character. Jim Gordon, however, got little development afterword. He just stayed Jim Gordon, gruff and stern police commissioner who's friends with Batman.
I would definitely recommend checking out Darius' book that I mentioned in the video. Goes into more detail about Gordon's role. Super good!
+NerdSync thanks! I might check it out!
that was one my complaints about the movie adaption... besides it just being not great, the adaptation should have been used to give us Gordon's POV. Huge missed opportunity on all fronts
+Harry Wompa Oh well I kinda liked the film.
Maybe Batman did kill Joker. But he doesn't mention it because he promised Comissioner Gordon he would do this one by the book.
mika perzyna nope he didn’t kill him the script proves it.
@@joshuaagee-bass4049 Death of the author, babyyy
mika perzyna also if he did kill Joker the cops must surely would have mentioned as they were right there. Explain that huh? He didn’t kill Joker Alan Moore confirmed this get over it.
@@joshuaagee-bass4049"Explain that huh?
Do you have any idea how cringey you sound? You're replying to a comment I made 3 years ago and expecting me to debate you on a fan theory about a comic from the 80s. Get a life.
mika perzyna nope you are just upset you are wrong.
The Spanish translation of the movie ruined the joke, they hired the original voice actors for Batman and the Joker, but the word "beam" was translated as a wooden construction beam instead of the beam of light, ruining the joke and therefore the ending.
NOW THAT’S FUNNY
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@@ls200076 It was Venezuelan dubbing/translation
Had it been a Mexican dubbing, they should have added some mexicanismos, as the recurring voice of the Joker in Mexican dubs is the same actors who does Deadpool and James from Team Rocket.
They were both laughing. Batman didnt say he wouldnt kill joker, he said he would try not to. The police would not turn off their headlights, unless there was no trouble.. In the jokers joke, the asylum is also not literal. They are not both insane, maybe they are escaping grief? Life? They dont like living normal lives. The batman is not afraid of falling, etc failing, because he never does. But joker does all the time. Joker knows his family dies because of batman, but does batman? Why does everyone say he snapped his neck?? if you choked someone, they wont make a sound, especially if you are strong a batman. There are many dc universes and different versions, if not then why not throw joker over a cliff etc. like batman does early on. There were many jokers. Maybe this wasnt the first one he absolutely had kill. Just had to make sure they wouldnt rejoin as a robin.
Jacob First nope if he killed Joker he would have referenced that in a later books and the cops would have referenced that too.
There's no theory to try to prove. The book ends there. You can interpret it how you feel like it. That's why it's success.
It’s the Schrödinger’s cat of comics. Nobody will ever know. And it will always be that way. Which is why it’s my favorite comic of all time.
personally i believe the light represents the “help” they’re talking about and the first inmate is batman. since both patients are insane the first inmates may or may not know that u cannot walk on a beam of light so he insist on the help to kill him, but the second inmate obviously being more insane of the two says you’ll just turn it off halfway. i think this represents the insanity and mistrust of the joker, while the deception and false help of batman, by getting help he means just putting him back in the asylum
*A COUPLE THINGS*
For all you saying that The Killing Joke was never meant to be canon originally, make sure you watch the first video in this series. In fact, it was meant to be canon since day one. th-cam.com/video/eMQqgFmbkus/w-d-xo.html
I found this theory while doing research on the last Killing Joke video. It was formulated by Julian Darius in his amazing book _And The Universe So Big_ which you should *absolutely* check out! Link in the description!
Also, sorry for anyone who may be tired of all the Batman videos lately. We do have more coming up, so also apologies in advance for that. Wasn't intentional. Except October. October was always meant to be *Bat-tober: The Long Halloween!* So look forward to that!
What's up with your beard, man?
Don't you think that laughing could have stopped because the police men bring the joker into the car therefore stopping the laughing. It's kinda anti climactic but could it be possible?
Can't wait for battober
basically what happened in tim burtons batman
jokers wife didnt die
we never saw a body
joker was told on the phone
she was pregnant
they had no money
and they were in det
so could she return? and if so how would the joker react to this?
"The ending of The Killing Joke has been debated for decades"
Ehm yeah or like 3 years since Grant Morrison made it up.....
The comic was publish in 1988...
Grant Morrison popularized one theory, but there are many that have been around since the comic was published.
did you watch the video? or even read the comic?
Brenda R. Souza Yes and the theory was made on Fat man on batman 3 years ago"
No one taked about it or made videos about it before then.
NostalgiNorden They did, but I don't think they post it on internet in that time though
I think the point of the joke is, two things:
1. Two Asylum Escapees, Batman and The Joker - so Joker is acknowledging that they are both crazy.
2. The gap between the building is narrow, so while the first escapee is trying to help the second. The problem isn’t that he can’t physically get across, but that even though the gap is narrow, that mentally the distance is too vast for one of them bc he doesn’t trust the first escapee to help him all the way through. Batman doesn’t see Joker as Crazy but Joker is saying he’s already too crazy, bc while for Batman the gap is narrow enough to jump across, to the Joker who is way crazier, the gap is like a mile long.
Tbh i find it sweet how they are both laughing at the end becuase thats a great way of ending. Its a great twist for their relationship. It sums up everything they have been through within a joke. I don't think the joker dies either. Maybe batman became crazy too while laughing.
I love your videos, you can actually learn a lot.
Thank you so much! :)
how about this: batman DID intend to kill joker by using the venom but joker knows it wont kill him. he finds the idea of it so funny that he starts to laugh. this way it also mirrors the joke. when batman finally tries to make the jump, tries to walk on the light,the joker turns it of. when the laughter stops batman has realised the poison didn't kill his lifelong enemy and now he has to live with the idea that he 'crossed the line' and it didn't even matter... it was all a joke.
niels adriaensen ooh i really like that theory
thanks!
So you're implying Batman was the one to cross the beam of light, and as he was halfway across, the Joker turned out the light.
Nice.
Oooo brilliant!
The killing joke wasn't made to be canon, but people liked it so much that dc made it canon
I believe that the Joker is the first guy because he knows everything is fake and is super sane. And batman is stuck not believing the super sanity of Joker.
someone watched Imaginary Axis ... ^___^ lml
That's the meaning of the joke and the whole story mentioned that one of them is crazier than the other. But who?
i like this guy s interpretation
I dont because he says that this comic carries on to hush which so batman couldn't possibly have killed him is ridiculous because the killing jokes story ended there because it was never meant to be a continuation so there really is not a theory batman killed joker and ir doesnt really matter because it doesn't affect dc comics because it isn't na continuation
Crese 1947 nope he didn’t kill Joker Moore confirmed this. You are just ignorant.
I think that's the best interpretation of all-- so simple and works on all levels. Batman finally attempts to end it all, even believes he has, but the Joker ultimately pulls through.
Mysterys like this are like abstract art
Cool theory with him looking at his hand - although the simple explanation is that in the previous panel, his hand was in the same position fixing his cowl. The panel where he blocks Jokers blow happens a second later, and he is simply lowering his hand. Check the book.
As much as I'd love for there to be some shocking ending, I always took it that Batman just grabbed Joker and knocked him out. To leave for the arriving police to deal with.
Interesting thought, I never saw that before but it really makes a lot of sense.
Yeah. It's super interesting.
+NerdSync your so cool
My theory on the killing joke is that the two insane prisoners do represent Batman and Joker, with the first one being Batman who makes it across the roof into the “civilization” (the acceptance of society).And the one who stays on the other roof too scared to jump is Joker. Then, the whole walk across the beam of light is a ridiculously insane idea batman proposes thats meant to represent him offering a hand to the joker to cross into the civilization (acceptance of society), possibly in good heart and thinks it will work; because again, they are both insane. He thinks he is helping Joker by insisting that idea not knowing that it was never an option because joker knows he will never be accepted by society and probably doesn’t even want to. I believe that because he doesnt trust anyone and proves it with his lack of trust in batman offer. He thinks batman will give up on him and lose hope (turn off the light off halfway) So, instead of taking a leap of faith to avoid falling to his death he decides to stay on the roof (avoid seeking help and accept his insanity) I hope that makes sense to anyone out there let me know what you think! Oh and btw at the end where they are laughing and jokers laugh stops i dont think batman killed him i think he just stopped laughing because he realized he will now be going back to arkam asylum to continue this cycle with batman over and over.
Maybe Batman's tone shift is him intoxicated enough and it's Batman laughing and realized everything... Batman knows he's gonna die and laughs as they both die!
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I think Batman was checking if the was blood on his glove, because Joker had jabbed Batmans eyes
I don't see his hands killing joker. At his back there's a triangular bit. That's his other elbow. I think he was putting his hand on the Jokers shoulder.
Not to stab him. To Get him to calm down. And so that joker can go back to arkham. And after the joke they kinda became friends.
Really
+Mckinnell Family Trio no just no
+ThatOneIrishDarragh why not?
Mckinnell Family Trio Because Joker Would Not Calm Down He's Crazy
Awesome video. I needed clarification with this ending cuz it bugged me awhile
I liked that video a lot more than the first part.
You did a WAY better job at underlining the fact that The Killing Joke was probably written to be vague, and that is the main reason we love it.
I also love the fact that first you absolutely demolished the popular theory without telling us what you would do next.
What a good surprise to see you destroyed it to bring us your own theory on that ending.
All that to say, at first I thought that you only were seeking to find what is truly canon instead of trying to understand the message and motivations of the authors.
I'm simply glad to see I was wrong.
Well the title of the comic is:
The KILLING joke
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Mika-Animations Vidz it killed Batman’s hopes of saving Joker. If Morrison hadn’t brought the theory up you wouldn’t be mistakenly assuming Joker died.
My theory is batman laughing at the end because when he fell he fell on the needle that's why he looked at his hand, maybe the venom took a little longer because it was in batman's body
I like this, he's batman so he wouldnt die as quick as most people. In his final moments he snaps Jokers neck, before succumbing to the Joker venom and falls dying that's why the light goes out!
Your theory is perfect...you effing neeeeeeeeeeeeerd. Loved that interpretation. I really like this channel...a little bit.
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Yes please
Ha!
I want my nigga HARAMBE with that.
I'll take twenty syrups, please!
Sure
Scott, I personally think that Batman reached out to kill Joker and Joker simply was startled and stoped laughing. I don't really have any evidence, it's just what I think.
Fair enough!
Your theories are always great. Keep up the amazing work.
I Always felt that the joke and the ambiguous ending more reflected that the first inmate(Batman) didn't actually make it out of insanity either. You cannot walk on a beam of light only the crazy would even suggest it was an option. I think Joker and Batman realize that they each need the other to perpetuate their own crazy and secretly hope the other will eventually end their torment. I always thought that after sharing a laugh the 2 just went home to fight another day.
Great video.
I love this series and made me want to actually read the comic
Have you read it yet? its great
anybody else have an issue with audio sync?
Yep
Yes
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I've noticed this on a lot of different videos lately from different channels is it youtube thing or what?
yes
This was really fun. Very fun!
Love the Ramona flowers drawing scott did next to the X
He didn't kill him
They kissed.
#BatmanRuined
Ellie In Boringland Batman is hardcore for kissing AND laughing at the same time.
Ellie In Boringland in that ending, Batman probably did accidentally stab himself with the poison, but jokes prob didn't refill it yet, he has oh so much on his mind, and Batman only got a tiny dose. But enough to flip him into a cackling, hyena laughing maniac! I mean, bats is really freaking droll, for him to just break down and laugh his ass off, well it would have to be much much funnier than the joke he told. So maybe that small scrap of poison finally hits his brain, that's y he doesn't laugh right away after the joke's told, it's not funny.... until you are a raving lunatic. I wanna read that comic, joker and bats, side by side, ruling the underworld like complete psychopaths! And yea, if he's nuts, well it goes without saying he kisses him in the ending there, I mean, what better joke about how long he tried to stop him, when he now realizes that he should have helped him, so he kisses jokes and makes a smart quip, then they both crumble into hysterics, laughing while they pass Gordon, bat cuts his throat with a batarang. Hahahaa,
Ellie Luna laughing at the same time? lmao
*Plot twist comes in*
The reason why Batman could have killed the Joker is becuse The Killing Joke was not supposed to be canon.
They later made it canon but it wasn't the case when Alan Moore wrote it.
Not true. Make sure you watch the first video in this series. It was ALWAYS meant to be canon from day one. Not sure how the idea that it wasn't was spread around. If you have sources, let me know. I presented sources in part one that shows the opposite. th-cam.com/video/eMQqgFmbkus/w-d-xo.html
exactly all the issues with the theory are solved by taking this into account.
Ok if a put it this way.
I personally don't belive Moore meant to kill the Joker but the case can be made.
If Alan Moore would have want to kill The Joker he would have made it ambigous. Knowing that DC would never let him kill off the Joker.
Sure. Like I said in that last video, there's no evidence to support the idea that Moore did in fact want to kill the Joker. And there's no evidence to support the idea that Killing Joke was never meant to be canon.
Great video! nerdsync is the best comic channel on youtube!
I never once thought about the Killing Joke as Batman giving up hope on Joker ever being rehabilitated, but after hearing your interpretation it sounds amazingly fitting for the tale. This my new head canon now. Thanks for sharing.
Alan More even said himself, that this is INDEED Batman killing Joker. He said it's basically all in the title. Look up Kevin Smith - Alan More interview, it's all there.
that wasn't Alan Moore , it was grant Morrison. Alan Moore never said Batman killed the joker and never intended it
You are right sir. I guess I was just remembering Kevin Smith's reaction, my bad.
Alan Moore spoke up to specifically clear up this point. He said that Batman did *not* kill the Joker at the end.
I like to think the ending is symbolic to their struggle of order and chaos. Batman tried to get Joker on his side as Joker keeps doing the same to Batman, and both refuse because they're on two completely different buildings; if they attempt to leave them and cross they'll fall into the abyss. They laugh together because they finally know where they both stand, the light of hope fades with their fates sealed forever.
Art is a collaborative process between artist and audience. Without an audience, it's just a hobby, a craft. To make it art, you have to engage with an audience, and part of that engagement is filtering the original work through the audience members. Letting them find their own personal meaning in the work. Yes, authorial intent is important, but a good author will use that relationship with the audience to let them fill in their own blanks.
And when you both end up on the same page, it's like discovering a hidden treasure. Like the theory about the shopkeeper in Aladdin actually being the Genie. Or some of the theories surrounding FNAF. Even when it isn't what the author intended, it can make the original story even better, like having Jar Jar actually be a Sith Lord.
And when you get down to it, we read these for our enjoyment, and if a certain theory makes the experience better for you, it's not like the author can force you to think what they want you to. Mass Effect 3 was a depressingly bad ending, which is why I shut the game off and wrote my own. It allows me to be satisfied with my experience, and no one can take that from me.
LET ME EXPLAIN : The Title Of The Comic/Movie Is The Killing Joke The Joke That Joker Said At The End Had A So Deeply Dark Meaning That Killed Batman From Inside And Forced Him To Laugh And Break His Rule Batman's Rule Is To Be Serious Everytime And Joker's Rule Is *"Why So Serious ?"* Because When He Was A Normal Human He Was A Lame Comedian That Tolled Very Deep Jokes That If You Think Deeply Then You Will Understand But The People Never Did That Much Effort To Understand The Jokes And He Had Only One Question Why Are They So Serious Why Don't They Put A Smile On Their Faces And That Is Why Joker Was Forced To Do Drug Smuggling To Feed His Wife & Upcoming Child They He And His Wife Were Sad In Everytime , Everyday , Everynight So His Goal Was To Put A Smile On Their Faces But The Red Hood Gangsters Killed His Pregnant Wife To Force Him To Lead Them So If They Were Caught They Could Blame Him For The Crime That He Was Leading Them But After Having An Effect Of Ace Chemical Drug He Became Crazy That He Will Die Laughing He Will Always Live Laughing And Make People Laugh If They Will Not He Will Force Them To Laugh By Deadly & Dangerous Ways He Made Many People Laugh But Not Normal Laugh That Dangerous Laugh But In So Many Years He Could Never Make Batman Laugh So he Decided To End Up The Never Ending Loop That He Will Kill People Batman Will Capture him He Will Go To Asylum Again This Will Happen But In A Different Way So He Planned & First He Injected The Drug On Batman That Will Affect Him Slowly Then He Will Think A Deep Joke Matching Their Situation Because Batman Is Also A Detective So He Will Think The Joke Deeply And He Will Understand It Because Of The Drug He Will Be Forced To Laugh Remember When Batman Discovered The Element In The Ace Chemicals Drug And That Element's Symbol Was *"Ha"* So My Theory Is That Joker Became Crazy After Seeing Batman Laugh And Suddenly Jim Gordon Came There Arrested Joker But Remember There Are Three Different Souls In Joker's Body So One Of Them We Saw In The Killing Joke Died And Joker Became The 2nd Type Of Joker And Batman Gets In The Batmobile Gets To Batcave Heals Himself Has Bed Rest For A Week Then After Nightwing Comes New New Adventure Begin's THE END
I cant read this with every single word written big. Its confusing.
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Quite the accomplishment! Thank you!
the joker is super sane that's the joke that is the joke that joker whats ever one to see
+NerdSync No, no Scott. It seems like no one is getting what happened in Rebirth but me. When Dr. Manhattan, Barry Allen or Brainiac from Convergence (ugh, DC'S ever growing convoluted plot-hoes and storylines) messes with time or rebooting the world they caused characters from pre-crisis and pre-new 52 characters to be stuck in the New 52 Earth hence is why we see pre-new 52 Superman, Wally West, Kent Nelson and Ted Kord in the universe and more will pop up later on like the JSA and the 3 Joker's which, are pre-crisis Joker, pre-new 52 Joker and New 52 Joker (and he's the one that's dead however you want to interpret that Batman "killed" in Endgame. I also I'm think that perhaps the reason why Ozymandias is saying that pre-new 52 Superman isn't the true Superman is because the pre-crisis Superman is here as well and it could be the true Superman he's talking about because he is the very first one which can be who knows the Clark Kent we see in Action Comics.
+NerdSync I also forgot pre-new 52 Lois Lane and Jonathan Kent is stuck in the universe as well.
+Esteban Lora I thought watchmen was a one-shot and apart from other comics.
Maybe batman had an uncomfortable sex scene with the joker
Well the story did say they need each other...
+Aaron Robair Lmfao
+Aaron Robair Alison in the dark knight returns, the joker calls him darling meaning something happened
+Munjee Syed NEVER!
D.C 'Batman The Killing Joke' was a 'what if' or 'alternative' story and put into mainstream Batmans background years later. Joker dying was the real intended ending. D.C changing it was just to fit an alternative story into mainstream years later.
Eh no
You may think you are wrong but I don't think so.I actually think you are spot on right on the money this is one of the best theory's I have heard in years and better then what I have ever come up with for the end of killing joke.Very well done and a sub earned my friend.
its revealed in the movie that they are just sharing a laugh
And that's because Batman accidentally poisoned himself a tiny tiny bit. But enough to become a total lunatic! Let's face it, Batman has about 0 sense of humor, so for him to start laughing fits, the joke's gotta b a hell of a lot funnier than that 1. My view, he's just lost it, and they laugh
If you listen in the movie, Joker quits laughing. But batman continues to laugh. It leaves room for speculation
VaderTron 2112 and there is no necks map nor is Joker kicking his legs to indicate he is being strangeled.
I think batman is the first prisoner offering the second prisoner a way out (even tho that way was fake; you cant walk across light just like the joker cant be rehabilitated.) The Joker then is the second prisoner thinking the 1st prisoner (Batman) was lying not because of reality (light cant be walked on) but because of his believe that Batman is trying to trick him by offering him help just to take it away ( turning the flashlight off). The joker turned down Batman's offer because he thinks Batman is going to turn off the light. Batman Knows the Joker is too far gone but still offers to try and save him. Honestly i think they both live and they continue their cycle...... But that's just what my drunken self think
7 years ago this video was made and now, on a cold Tuesday morning April, 9th, my brain is itching with this question
I love your analysis. It's the killing of Batman's hope for Joker. His line to Batgirl about her never being pushed to the edge- to the Death Of Hope
okay .but if batman kills the Joker how does he become imune years later?
I think batman originally was going to kill the the joker in the killing joke but it became a canon because it got popular, and in the comic police lights came so that could refer to the police taking batman away
Crese 1947 the police lights were always there. Batman never killed Joker.
what if he just stopped laughing at the joke ?
y u overtink tings :/
You must be new here. Haha
+NerdSync im a long time fan
im just saying what if for a small moment he found his sanity :0
you don't go from laughing histerically to silence in less than a second
+Manatee Man unless you're the joker
they are, every other interpretation is from dumb people that didn't understood the comic.
now i can feel Alan Moore's pain.
What's with all the video glitches and audio lag? It's most noticeable on the fast transitions.
Batman just stared his hands to check if theres blood from the hit on his head he got from Joker. That's a reaction always done in movies (and maybe comics?).
personally i still believe batman killed joker
Same.
he did. he even killed him in every movie that joker appeared in... and it's not like we can say
(((Oh! the Joker might still be alive because we didn't see him die on camera))) ... but in every film we Do see him die on camera. but there is a theory that there's actually 3 Jokers which I really don't believe
+eYeDoNtKnOw201 Tell me... when exactly does Joker die in Dark Knight?
+eYeDoNtKnOw201 Thats not true, Joker has survived in most of the films he appears in. And the "3 Jokers theory" isn't really a theory; it's something that DC has teased for Rebirth in one of their Justice League books a few months ago.
+Phantom Prism He was Dashed by Batman too off camera
suffering the same fate like his Creation,Two Face
did batman kill the joker?? is that why its called the killing joke?
no...
I think it's called the killing joke because first of all its the joker and he kills people. 2 he went into crime bc people wouldn't laugh at his jokes so it's the 'killing joke'? You get it?
On that part where they are laughing for me it just looks like Batman grabs Joker's shoulder. :P
In my opinion, the last three pictures of the comic show Batman and Joker laughing, and apart from that, I think, it shows the arrival of the police cars and the " weeeeeeeeeeeeeee" sound probably is the sound of the sirens. The police are called by Gordon. And as is custom, Batman probably used an electromagnetic pulse or something to take out the lights to disappear. That's why the sound abruptly stops and the lights go out. This, in addition with the fact that these moments are the beginning of Batman and Joker's fatal relationship and the symbolic going out of the lights, perfectly explains it all.
what if the killing joke happens after everything that comes after
Thunda1986 are you stupid? How is Barbara in a wheelchair if it comes after? Why does Batman reference Joker paralyzing Barbara in books like Batman:Hush? Joker did not die.
I love how you can choke and kill someone by just grabbing their shirt
Hey Nerdsync love your Chanel!!!! I have a question about the killing joke could you please explain the end of the killing joke? I'm talking about the scene where a guy wearing glasses decides to kill Batman who is this guy??? Plz answer as soon as possible thank you ;)
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You got the joke wrong. Batman is the one who is scared to leave the world of sanity and join Joker in his insanity. That's why Batman and the Joker were laughing.
Flawed theory. There is no real evidence at all that Batman got the needle. In fact him looking at his hand is probably just him finally fixing his cowl.
Every theory about this book is flawed in some way. It's left completely up to everyone's interpretation. But if you look at those panels, his cowl was already fixed. And yet he continued to stare into his hand for some reason.
i like to think that the light going out symbolises the end of their friendship and the start of a much darker rivalry because out of all the comics that have ever came out they only cemented the fact that the joker and batman are the closest thing they can have to a best friend, a worst enemy
I always imagined the Killing Joke as a standalone Story
The story is not considered cannon so Batman could have killed Joker.
It became cannon watch the first part
The story is cannon, at least in the pre-New 52. But hey, do whatever you want in your head canon, you do you.
It was always canon ....before the N52
so the story was originally considered a none cannon story, thats why they could go into the past of the joker, and why they could leave the ending of the story ambiguous for readers, but it became so popular among fans that it actually became cannon as a story, so both of the people starting out are right
I stand corrected. Thank you all.
Like if you don't want the Joker to die