I think the one thing you missed is the update made to transmog in legion. It was really convenient to be able to change the appearance of gear without having to have that gear stashed away in your loot in order to do so. It gave a reason for people to run older content, especially on alts in order to just get transmog gear and be able to change a character's appearance pretty much anytime.
@@Falorin i used to run around all day helping the others on the timeless isle, especially with my motor bike mount on those jumping puzzles. good times.
@@Falorin I actually really enjoyed pvp in Timeless Isle because of the flying restriction and it was usually full of players. Man, watching this video at that segment made me remember a LOT of fun things from that.
I feel like I'm one of the few that actually really miss MoP. It was a ton of fun, every class had a butt ton of abilities, and the PvP was, imo, the most balanced it ever was
@@Daftanemone your comment reminds me that a neat thing about the challenges were that depending of your spec the same challenge would be a bit different. for example I did Xylem with both survival hunter and arms warrior and the second boss which was a burst phase had more health with an arms warrior because arms had more burst while with survival the first boss which was a survive and don't die had more health with survival hunter and so was longer.
one of the most interesting things they have done in recent years… it made me get good at some classes i hadn’t really played. and the rewards were perfect.
I think the achievment system atleast needed a spot on this list, if not the number one spot. For a lot of people this just opens up the game in so many ways! Great list anyway :) love these videos.
6:18 interesting note, Glyph of the Geist for DKs was meant to be a cosmetic glyph, but it made the minion appear instantly, meaning you could macro the Raise Dead ability with Death Pact and get an instant 50% heal. I think the macro went something like this: #showtooltip /cast !Raise Dead /cast Death Pact
same was with glyph of observer for warlock- it replaced felhound(melee pet) for observer which was ranged- didnt have to run to boss, didnt die so often or was not knocked back/stunned so basically it was huge dps buff for pet for what was supposed to be cosmetic glyph
when the mage tower was gone and I couldnt get the druid bear form that I wanted more than anything else it made me feel so bad. normally I accept that a lot of stuff is temporary, but THAT was some bullshit
I did 24 challenges because I either had the class to do it already or found the look amazing. Had to do the last 12 for completionists sake, so I wouldn't end up like you :>
Oh, God, just looking at the Mage Tower rooms make my nightmares come back I want something like that again, but still... I used to legit have dreams with Agatha
Same here. I played WoW from vanilla to end of WotLK and only one free weekend since, but I still love watching all WoW videos that Hiru posts and seeing how the game has changed. Brings me back to the huge amount of fun I had when WoW was basically my second job.
I don't understand why there are no mage tower type challenges anymore. It was one of the best thing ever in my opinion. It was challenging but fair and at the same time rewarding af because those appereances not only was awesome looking but also kinda prestigious.
Thats essentialy what the Horrific Visions were supposed to be. You could progress your legendary cloack, gear up and get cosmetics. Obviusly they wont make anything that is just Mage Tower 2.0 anytime soon, they will make some solo challenge content but with its own twists. Thats what Torghast was supposed to be but currently doesnt live up to the Mage Towers legacy, hopefully they improve it over the course of the expansion
It was balanced and designed around the Legion specs and gear. "Difficult" solo content still exists as Horrific Visions, Torghast, and even the most recent secret mount
They tried to get the same feeling of "hard solo content" with Twisting Corridors but its a joke compared to the Mage Tower encounters, Mage Tower is remembered so fondly because it was a single challenging encounter that was tuned for each class/spec and required you to use most tools your class had available to them. No anima powers, no XYZ, just the player and his character.
OH THEY TRIED but failed greatly, island expeditions, horrific visions and now torghast, but from all of them torghast is the one that can be great but it needs so much fixes, more anima powers, more rewards (cosmetic, pets, anima), no elite mobs, more normal mobs and bigger groups, unbalanced crazy anima power based on class, for example i thought druid could be awesome since relies on shapeforms but there's just two powers that makes you change constantly, the rest are boring or useless, also nerf the scaling for adding players to your group, its literally faster to clear torghast alone than doing it with a group, plus just making one run of torghast for your soul ash, add a list for which anima help you want on each run like that pet or the darkness pot (which i think its awesome and fun) and more achievements because there's basically none, just for clearing each hall and collecting phantasma which no one cares, Torghast could be so great if blizz would just admit that making crazy and unbalanced pve solo- content its good
As someone who joined after MoP I would love to see a Reforging system re-added to the game, many players already have the Yak mount it was used for and sure getting new items would be annoying to deal with getting to a reforger but you don't get gear until the end of a dungeon in M+ so would cause little to no problems there but raids could be a bit of a problem, some raids have limited space where you can mount and would draw out raids if you had to have someone run to that area where you can mount to reforge with the Yak.
Would like to add legion riddles , arenas introduced in tbc , badge of justice system introduced in tbc as well with heroic dungeons, pandaria challenge mode dungeons , dual talent spec in woltk, achievements added in woltk prepatch, dots made able to crit with woltk prepatch as well (locks and shadow priests loved that one) , mini cinematics in raids and quests, transmog system, and the most recent is the chrono babbon to store worlds buffs in classic. A lot more as well I bet
Lowkey mad that I started playing just when Legion was ending. I see all the cool mage tower appearances and I'm super salty that they're no longer obtainable, especially the firey warglaives for demon hunters.
"Technically you can make any boss a hard mode by just doing it wrong." Idk if that was supposed to be hilarious but god damn I was not ready for that.
HIru, you're absolutely killing it with the amount of uploads recently! I've been a huge fan for over six years now but even legends need to take a break every now and then, bro! ;)
Great video! One thing I would add to the list is transmog. I often don't even think of it as an added system because its just become so integrated into the game, but after playing a bit of classic it feels insane that you can't customize your character's gear appearance, you're just stuck with whatever you're actually wearing. It's also a major motivator for people to do content (both old and current), trying to get a specific mog.
Yeah. I liked the visions till i got the 5mask full clear and all achievments. Then i didnt have enough stuff to get to be bothered. A nice feature. Same with twisting corridors. I have high hopes they put in enough effort before 9.2 comes around. Itll keep me suvscrived
@@neelarai971 true. The idea was nice but the incentive to keep doing it was for the wrong reason. A reason majority of people didnt like. I see no issue with a similar system for torghast where you can get class spesific items that is purely cosmetic. Pets and mounts... cool coloring of your armor set or something. It doesnt always have to be dps increasing stuff to get
@@neelarai971 Corruptions were the first time gear mattered, items actually had an impact instead of just being stat sticks. First time WoW felt like an RPG. And 5 masks were an easy way to get them in 20 mins a week.
There are two things I fondly remember about the Timeless Isle. First was that if you were a small enough race (IE goblin or gnome) or used a toy to get small enough, you could squeeze through the top of the interactable cave-in to go grab the mallet needed to demolish the cave-in. I would do this so many times while grinding in there, and even told others how it's done. Since the place is abandoned nowadays, you may need to do this to get that event done... Second was grinding in the western side of the Ordon sanctuary, where a bunch of elite mobs were, a chest at the back end of the "room", and sometimes a rare spawn at the entrance to it. As non-rare mobs, these dropped the most rep for Emperor Shaohao, and as a Hunter were not too hard to defeat. I spent countless hours and days grinding up there, and when I finally reached exalted I was so sick I stopped playing for a week or so.
Nazjatar was never intended to be sandbox like Timeless island. Before 8.2 became live, devs said that Nazjatar was a regular zone and Mechagon was the Sandbox zone this time, and they did it well. Mechagagon brought to me many memories of timeless islands: Everyone working together to kill rares and solve hidden events/puzzles, camping rares and many things to craft. Also, you forgot to mention that Mythic+ feature came from Pandaria/WoD challenge mode. In fact, Mythic+ is just a improvement of it.
I love the part where you're talking about how useful mass summoning was while the footage is someone going full-tilt Symmetra troll on their raid group.
Thanks for all the recent content Hiru, I really wish we can have Reforge back, I believe that would make a lot of players appreciate the gear they get a bit more, since there are a lot of secondary stats that are no longer used, so customizing your gear would be a LOT easier
Fun fact: I went to level in Legion, with help from DMF. Completeing the 4 main leveling zones and every sidequest I found *didn't get me to Lv50*; in fact; I had to do multiple dungeons beyond the dungeon quests to even hit 48.
I loved the Classic Dungeons being big. Lower and Upper Blackrock Spire, the Blackrock Deeps, Dire Maul, Maraudon… loved them all so much. It felt like real adventure, not just running through. And you always found something to do or secrets. Now, even when the Dungeons are new and hard, it’s basically just running through.
@@Forendel In a way it was. If blizzard actually put work into it like all the new features they add in every new expac and balance it, it wouldn't be removed
without expertise and hit chance, reforging will create some of the most ridiculous min max, stat capping and some other bs, that IDK if they are healthy for the game. It will be very fun to watch tho, but IDK if it will be ok to play like that
I love this video because at the time of writing, people are are so negative about the game it's hard to even recognize when something is good in game We need more of this XD
Now now, originally Have Group Will Travel worked everywhere, even in raids. What ended up happening was guilds would send a rogue in to skip all the trash and summon everyone to the boss. That did not last long before being nerfed.
Chromie’s timewalking campaigns are great, but the way they suddenly break the level scaling and throw you out at level 50 is such a kick in the nuts. If they can’t let you stick around in old content at 50, they should at least warn you before you miss the opportunity to disable xp.
You may or may not know this, but there are NPC’s you can visit that lock your XP. Visit them right before 50 and you can keep playing through Chromie Time as much as you want. I know the Alliance one is somewhere in SW, but I’m not sure where the Horde one is. Give it a Google and you’ll find what I’m talking about. Obviously it’s not the same as just being able to level all the way to 60 but it’s something.
@@Yomom12388 “If they can’t let you stick around in old content at 50, *they should at least **_warn you_** before you **_miss the opportunity_** to **_disable xp_* .”
I did Fire, Frost and Arcane Mage, and Outlaw Rogue. I'd never properly learned Frost or Arcane until this point, and boy howdy was I in for a learnin'; each one took me 30 or so attempts. I also did my wife's Ret Paladin for her, despite not even having my own Pally. I would have done Assassination Rogue but I could not face the Sigryn fight a third time. I overgeared Fire and was goddamned good at it, and had the Dragon's Breath legendary and crit talent, so wiping out the Imps was effortless. Took me all of twenty seconds lmao
Final Fantasy 14 gear system is similiar to #9, essentially doing any high end content gives you a quantity of something called a Tomestone. You then turn in Tomestones for gear, as high as around 900 Tomes for a chestpiece to around 400 for an accessory. You can then upgrade said gear to higher levels by turning them in with Materials from raids. But raids ALSO give you gear. So your raid group is almost always progressing in inventory upgrading regardless of raid results It's a pretty satisfying system. I hope WoW goes in a similar direction
Yes, I fully agree here. In all fairness, it did have issues in AP and randomly dropping legendaries. But when AP didn't matter and you had all the legendaries, it was a blast. Switching around legendaries mid-dungeon for AoE, single target, survival, utility, specific boss reason was amazing. I remember having too many gear setups for the equipment manager. Also as a good tank you were responsible for your own life, without needing to be suicidal to perform well offensively (looking at MoP and vengeance). Also, the last xpac we weren't gcd-locked constantly (wtb frenzied rejuv off gcd). Mage tower, M+, no need to do pvp to pve
"Even Blizzard thinks they go too far with conveniences added to the game, and will pull them back even if everyone likes it." Was there anyone who didn't already believe Blizz has no problem removing popular conveniences?
You totally skipped the part about Challenge Modes system introduced in Mists of Pandaria which eventually became Mythic Plus system. Give the proper credit where it's due :D
I agree that Mechagon was the closest they managed to re-creating another Timeless Isle, they just seem to not get it at all that the fact it was pretty much a flat terrain made it so much more easier to get around. People really hate annoying and complicated terrains. I think Nazjatar is the best example of what NOT to do. Honestly, before I managed to unlock flying, that zone was a nightmare to get around in if you're stuck on the ground.
Your video makes me realise how good MoP was at intergrating new systems. New Mythic difficulty for raiding and flex raiding, challenge modes being the OG Mythic dungeons, timeless isle, legendary questlines for all classes, your own farm/some sort of player housing, reforging, world bosses as we know them, battle pets and even the green warlock fire quest being more or less the original solo class challenge. I bet I'm missing some but you get the idea
the difficulty with the mage tower was there were some fights that were clearly better for some classes, but the gear progression of the expansion meant that by the end of the expansion you could absolutely get good on a class and do it, but it would still be tough. I remember my pally's dps challenge was extremely tough but the tank challenge turned out to be quite easy
I missed the original glyph system. My main had inscription, and the change seemed designed to make inscription worthless. My jewelcrafter and enchanter could continually make money selling new gems and enchants, but that wasn't possible for my scribe. Making card decks was an RNG crapshoot that took up too much storage and was made worthless with the revamped Darkmoon Faire repeatables.
Best/challenging mage tower fight was for the protection paladin. The class and spec with the lowest single target DPS in the game was given a DPS race against not one but two bosses, and during the entire fight you would have to deal with instant death mechanics from multiple mobs at the same time (you'd get knocked out of the arena and die if you got hit by any of them). It was a massive mess that you couldn't just outgear, and it was so much fun.
The Mage Tower was probably my favorite thing to ever be put into Warcraft. I loved the Holy Paladin and tank challenges! I remember enjoying the Isle of Thunder more than the Timeless Isle but both were awesome.
Hit caps 'without' reforging made gearing more interesting. You had to somewhat think about your upgrades beyond just ilevel. Reforging and to a lesser extent gems are what made hit cap (and gearing generally) into busy work, because there was no scenario were you weren't meeting it. It went from a meaningful factor in choosing upgrades, to a little chore you did after every piece of gear you picked up.
Reforging was also used to get casters to hit their haste soft-caps or hard-caps exactly and then switch to whatever stat they value most after that e.g. crit. That way their main filler spell would be at the minimum 1 second cast (soft-capped), or their GCD would be at 1 second (hard-capped) and they would not be wasting stats through overcapping haste.
While not a "system" so I get why it's not on the list, the warlock green fire quest was the most fun I've had solo on WoW. I hope more difficult class quests make it into the game one day.
24:00 the true issue with Cataclysm's dungeon difficulty was that stat rating scaled so bad at the beginning of the expansion that unless you were in full dungeon gear, dungeons were brutal, to heal especially. Haste was so little and mana regen was so slow that every pull felt like Mythic 10 trash. I personally despised it, I admit.
I was that person summoning 39 others to kill the King of SW, oh it felt so good. Made the For The Horde/Ally achv so much fun. 2 groups 80 people with 2 button clicks.
I honestly think one of the big reasons people loved the Timeless Isle was that it was pretty. It was genuinely pleasant to spend time there; it was beautiful. Tanaan Jungle? Argus? Being in those places is depressing. I wanted to get my shit done and leave. What I would LOVE would be say, the Dragon Isles in a Timeless Isle sort of sandboxy, do what you want because it all rewards you, _beautiful_ minizone.
the key to the timeless isle was the amount of interesting things they added to it… and the biggest thing was the fact that you could earn gear for you alts on your main, in korthia you can technically do that but it costs stygia and it’s not exact pieces, the implementation of that system makes absolutely no sense.
Future features people are going to love: Unyielding characters, you can make a character where all quests and open world content is an order of magnitude harder, items drop a lot less common but once you complete a zone with the character you unlock an "unspoiled bounty" buff which allows you to get MUCH more loot from open world zones you completed with your Unyielding character. This is to breathe air into older content by not only making it difficult, but also giving an incentive to do it. Fresh servers: Most people can't imagine playing a new character, but on these special realm groups everything is 100% completely fresh, not a single characters exists on them and you can only play with other people from that realm group, creating a brand new economy with a ton of new challenging goals and incentives. Hardcore Characters: The much liked challenge of levelling a character without dying just got serious, can you do it officially? If you do your reward will be your name in the ledger of legendary characters (a bit like how the Wintergrasp book kept track of wins / losses), and a toy where you could summon a copy of the ledger for people to read.
I think it was created as an answer to oQueue, a tool that had similar functionality to the modern group finder. Blizzard likes to take inspiration from the addon creators. Equipment manager, r.io score, oQueue, gear score, etc. Not saying it's a bad thing, when things become a necessity set by the community, might as well have it as a built in functionality.
The best system is flex raiding, before flex my guild would always struggle to get enough for 10 man and when we did get more, people had to be benched, after flex people turned up more as they always got a spot.
Ohhhhhh! A good system that I think was added was the whole scaling in raids, flex raids I think it’s called? To where you can have 15 if you want or 30 if you want, instead of a boss tuned to 10 or 25 as far as difficulty and drops and such. It’s pretty nice to now be able to pick up a person or two if they log in late or still be able to do a guild run without having to pug 5 people, even if it’s only useable for normal/heroic raids.
I was on a PvP server when the Timeless Isle was put in. It was fun despite being killed by other players farming the Blood Coins. I also did enjoy being able to gear up so easily yet having to deal with several really tough elite NPCs.
Mythic+ was a ton of fun when it came out in Legion. It was new and gave you something else to do while getting gear and just chilling out. Now I loathe Mythic+, the toxic min/max attitude around it, and repeating the same dungeons for the same loot for the rest of the game. Plus now it seems like they are creating dungeons with MDI in mind more than anything else. Maybe its nostalgia but i miss challenge modes and the unique gear that you could get from them. I think limited unique gear/appearances have more incentive to do them like the mage tower proved (though the fact the mage tower was hard for each spec also made them super fun).
I think they might be able to hit another timeless Isle right this expansion, given they have far more options to go with given the shadowlands is supposed to be infinite.
"Have group will travel" actually worked in the instance you did not have to run out. You just needed to stand close to the entrance portal. IMHO they should just nerf if that you can use it only near raid entrances so you can no longer port entire raid to opposite faction capital.
Mage tower was so amazing, i wish it eas added thru chromie just for fun, not asking for the wep skins, just do it for fun, maybe some toys. I did it back then on every class / spec in the game. So much fun.
Reforging was so cool. An engi item would have fixed the problem of not equipping a new item instantly. Or make reforging a part of jewelcrafting to begin with.
17:13 For me and Arcane Mage challenge, the hardest part was not to blink through the golden wall and accidently reset the encounter. It happened so much for me that I almost gave up half way through and screamed how is it even possible that you can blink through that wall.
The Prot warrior challenge was one of the hardest things I ever did in wow. That was after (I think) the first set of nerfs to the tank challenge. When I did it a year later on a friends undergeared alt (similar gear to what I had back then), the challenge was a shell of its former self and I was able to completely steamroll through it only resetting the health reduction once.
Though debatable as to whether it led to mythic+, challenge mode was a tier of harder mode (above heroic) that was introduced in WoD (pre-cursor to Legion which started the mythic+'s). To me, the challenge mode was blizzard prototyping/testing for mythic+'s
I totally agree with Mythic+. One system that's really loved and isn't included here is Transmog, and especially since Legion with the Appearance collection. It's responsible for so much play time, re-invigorated RP-ing nd character fantasy, and made old content relevant. Also the Brawler's Guild is excellent. It's fun solo challenges with other players watching so it's a community experience too, talking between matches, betting on each other, etc.
The Mage tower was so good. I had not really played my druid since TBC heavily, but I had to have that guardian druid skin. Was fun getting good enough to earn it. Mage tower type incentives need a return.
One quick thing... Raid finder was relaesed in Dragon soul. It came out in two parts weeks apart. I remember it well and with shudders travelling up and down my spine....Great video!
Please bring back mage tower 2.0, I still have my profile picture of getting my mage tower appearance I just noticed. That shows alone how happy I was and how enjoyable / rewarding completing a hard challenge like that is, I think they could even possibly create a Mage tower + where it's like a solo m+ keystone except its just some bosses designed for your class and you can keep upgrading your level whenever you want similar to m+. (Side note I only just came up with this idea and i think it's brilliant, If this had a similar Raider.io system attached it could help prove potential for a lot of players since it's Solo content)
"Technically you can make any boss a hard mode by just doing it wrong" my guild killed Council of Blood in such a weird order that was way harder than what most people were doing, literally a hard mode for no reason lolol finally someone was like uhhh you know we don't have to kill them this way right
Just wanting to add some clarity: a lot of the points you made about Leveling changes with Chromie Time were actually fixed with the world scaling added in 7.3.5 (end of Legion). The scaling added was what allowed you to pick and play through your favorite zones with a much larger level range and scaling mobs. Chromie Time actually limited some of the freedom of the previous system by forcing you to go through a specific expansion instead of being able to freely pick zones once you reached the minimum level. Chromie Time definitely improved a lot of the experience and was more recognized by the community (having an actual name helps too), but the 7.3.5 change was what actually fixed most of the problems you listed (i.e. Silverpine and Hillsbrad)
Not really. I leveled a bunch of characters in BFA but prior to Chromie Time and while it was better after Scaling at the end of Legion, you still would move on from zones and continents well before you were finished. WOD is a great example, you would do 10 levels there in only the Starting Zone (Shadowmoon for Alliance, Frost Fire Ridge for Horde). You would finish 10 levels in Legion with just opening your Class Hall and finishing 1 zone. None of it was remotely cohesive an must have been incredibly jarring to a new player. The starting Island and Chromie Time is a massive improvement.
@@andrewshandle I wasnt saying that Chromie Time isnt definitely better. But my point is that you could always finish entire zones if you wanted. Maybe not WoD Nagrand because of min level, but every other zone could be completed without leveling out of the zone.
@@Neomagam So you still needed to get to level 110 before going to BFA content, and so while Legion scaling might have helped levels 1-60, it didn't help 60 - 110 at all, and honestly 1-60 was easy. Chromie Time fixed 60-110, and debatably helped 1-60 a lot too by replacing 1-20 with the New Character Island (the name escapes me at the moment), gets you a mount and a full set of gear, then sends you on your way.
Yeah so we were doing Ulduar with our casual 10 man raid guild not realizing we were triggering hardmode on Flame Leviathan and XT. Still managed to kill them, then we actually decided to look up some in-depth tactics
"Technically you can make any boss a hard mode by just doing it wrong" probably the best quote ever in one of your video
do it again, do it wrong
Story of my life
Lfr in a nutshell
I think the one thing you missed is the update made to transmog in legion. It was really convenient to be able to change the appearance of gear without having to have that gear stashed away in your loot in order to do so. It gave a reason for people to run older content, especially on alts in order to just get transmog gear and be able to change a character's appearance pretty much anytime.
Transmog in general was afaik very well accepted. The collection tab was just a nice convenience.
Omg yes. I remember that!
My bank and void storage is to this day filled to yhe brim with transmog items. I cant throw them away either because I get sentimental lol.
@@muskeldundret Lmfao literally same
"Technically you can make any boss a hard mode by just doing it wrong" LOL. oh geez.
I see he has met my guild lmao
A full raid of DPS survival hunters 💪😏
Like first boss of ICC, don't kill the spikes.
I miss dungeon hubs. A themed area with multiple 5-man's and sometimes a raid tied to it. Scarlet Monestary, Tempest Keep, Ulduar, etc...
"Technically you can make any boss a hard mode by doing it wrong"
And I took that personally
God, Timeless Isle was so beautiful and funny, the music was great, the lore, EVERYTHING!
whats the piece of music? its beautiful!
Maaan i looove the timeless isle, i used to spend entire days just killing rares and doing pvp, just the best alt gearing system imo
@@Falorin i used to run around all day helping the others on the timeless isle, especially with my motor bike mount on those jumping puzzles. good times.
@@Falorin I actually really enjoyed pvp in Timeless Isle because of the flying restriction and it was usually full of players. Man, watching this video at that segment made me remember a LOT of fun things from that.
I feel like I'm one of the few that actually really miss MoP. It was a ton of fun, every class had a butt ton of abilities, and the PvP was, imo, the most balanced it ever was
The mage tower challenges single handedly made me an altoholic.
Yeah I played classes that I never try before
yeah I main a monk and last time I touched my tank spec was for the mage tower lol
It was so fun as a survival hunter.
@@Daftanemone your comment reminds me that a neat thing about the challenges were that depending of your spec the same challenge would be a bit different. for example I did Xylem with both survival hunter and arms warrior and the second boss which was a burst phase had more health with an arms warrior because arms had more burst while with survival the first boss which was a survive and don't die had more health with survival hunter and so was longer.
one of the most interesting things they have done in recent years… it made me get good at some classes i hadn’t really played. and the rewards were perfect.
I think the achievment system atleast needed a spot on this list, if not the number one spot. For a lot of people this just opens up the game in so many ways! Great list anyway :) love these videos.
you're on fire with these videos lately, well done hiru
I try my best
But please drink water
@@Kluki13 mmMMMmmMM woter
@@Kluki13 or as Bruce Lee would say... “WOTAAAAAAAH”
6:18 interesting note, Glyph of the Geist for DKs was meant to be a cosmetic glyph, but it made the minion appear instantly, meaning you could macro the Raise Dead ability with Death Pact and get an instant 50% heal.
I think the macro went something like this:
#showtooltip
/cast !Raise Dead
/cast Death Pact
same was with glyph of observer for warlock- it replaced felhound(melee pet) for observer which was ranged- didnt have to run to boss, didnt die so often or was not knocked back/stunned so basically it was huge dps buff for pet for what was supposed to be cosmetic glyph
Was a FAT heal in Cata, little know Blood DK macro except for people that were in the raiding scene
when the mage tower was gone and I couldnt get the druid bear form that I wanted more than anything else it made me feel so bad. normally I accept that a lot of stuff is temporary, but THAT was some bullshit
I did 24 challenges because I either had the class to do it already or found the look amazing. Had to do the last 12 for completionists sake, so I wouldn't end up like you :>
I think the first iteration of a "mage tower" challenge was the warlock quest for the fel fire
Well, there was also the Hunter and Priest quest from classic. But yes you could try it as often as you want and nobody could interrupt you.
Oh, God, just looking at the Mage Tower rooms make my nightmares come back
I want something like that again, but still... I used to legit have dreams with Agatha
I really love what you're doing Hiru, I recently quit again and have no interest of playing but I always come back for these vids.
Same. Wow will forever have a special place in my heart but I don't wanna play it any more. I enjoy watching videos like this instead.
Fucking same. Most likely I won't play WoW again, but I still pass the time watching Hiru and T&E videos.
Same here. I played WoW from vanilla to end of WotLK and only one free weekend since, but I still love watching all WoW videos that Hiru posts and seeing how the game has changed. Brings me back to the huge amount of fun I had when WoW was basically my second job.
I don't understand why there are no mage tower type challenges anymore. It was one of the best thing ever in my opinion. It was challenging but fair and at the same time rewarding af because those appereances not only was awesome looking but also kinda prestigious.
I have a feeling they're gonna turn torghast into something mage towerlike
Thats essentialy what the Horrific Visions were supposed to be. You could progress your legendary cloack, gear up and get cosmetics. Obviusly they wont make anything that is just Mage Tower 2.0 anytime soon, they will make some solo challenge content but with its own twists. Thats what Torghast was supposed to be but currently doesnt live up to the Mage Towers legacy, hopefully they improve it over the course of the expansion
It was balanced and designed around the Legion specs and gear. "Difficult" solo content still exists as Horrific Visions, Torghast, and even the most recent secret mount
They tried to get the same feeling of "hard solo content" with Twisting Corridors but its a joke compared to the Mage Tower encounters, Mage Tower is remembered so fondly because it was a single challenging encounter that was tuned for each class/spec and required you to use most tools your class had available to them. No anima powers, no XYZ, just the player and his character.
OH THEY TRIED but failed greatly, island expeditions, horrific visions and now torghast, but from all of them torghast is the one that can be great but it needs so much fixes, more anima powers, more rewards (cosmetic, pets, anima), no elite mobs, more normal mobs and bigger groups, unbalanced crazy anima power based on class, for example i thought druid could be awesome since relies on shapeforms but there's just two powers that makes you change constantly, the rest are boring or useless, also nerf the scaling for adding players to your group, its literally faster to clear torghast alone than doing it with a group, plus just making one run of torghast for your soul ash, add a list for which anima help you want on each run like that pet or the darkness pot (which i think its awesome and fun) and more achievements because there's basically none, just for clearing each hall and collecting phantasma which no one cares, Torghast could be so great if blizz would just admit that making crazy and unbalanced pve solo- content its good
As someone who joined after MoP I would love to see a Reforging system re-added to the game, many players already have the Yak mount it was used for and sure getting new items would be annoying to deal with getting to a reforger but you don't get gear until the end of a dungeon in M+ so would cause little to no problems there but raids could be a bit of a problem, some raids have limited space where you can mount and would draw out raids if you had to have someone run to that area where you can mount to reforge with the Yak.
Would like to add legion riddles , arenas introduced in tbc , badge of justice system introduced in tbc as well with heroic dungeons, pandaria challenge mode dungeons , dual talent spec in woltk, achievements added in woltk prepatch, dots made able to crit with woltk prepatch as well (locks and shadow priests loved that one) , mini cinematics in raids and quests, transmog system, and the most recent is the chrono babbon to store worlds buffs in classic. A lot more as well I bet
Lowkey mad that I started playing just when Legion was ending. I see all the cool mage tower appearances and I'm super salty that they're no longer obtainable, especially the firey warglaives for demon hunters.
That might change now
Its fitting that the Timeless Isle is the best, and is also called, the Timeless Isle, truly is timeless
"Technically you can make any boss a hard mode by just doing it wrong."
Idk if that was supposed to be hilarious but god damn I was not ready for that.
HIru, you're absolutely killing it with the amount of uploads recently! I've been a huge fan for over six years now but even legends need to take a break every now and then, bro! ;)
Great video! One thing I would add to the list is transmog. I often don't even think of it as an added system because its just become so integrated into the game, but after playing a bit of classic it feels insane that you can't customize your character's gear appearance, you're just stuck with whatever you're actually wearing. It's also a major motivator for people to do content (both old and current), trying to get a specific mog.
They did try to make a new Mage Tower Challenge. Horrific Visions and the special Torghast wing.
Yeah. I liked the visions till i got the 5mask full clear and all achievments. Then i didnt have enough stuff to get to be bothered.
A nice feature.
Same with twisting corridors.
I have high hopes they put in enough effort before 9.2 comes around. Itll keep me suvscrived
@@TheRealHanzan Getting 5masks on as many alts as I could was a fun pastime for me. Too bad there was no per-class cosmetic reward.
5 masks were nice to do until it was like "okay gotta do my 5 mask for the week, if I don't get any infinite stars go bitch on the forums"
@@neelarai971 true. The idea was nice but the incentive to keep doing it was for the wrong reason. A reason majority of people didnt like.
I see no issue with a similar system for torghast where you can get class spesific items that is purely cosmetic. Pets and mounts... cool coloring of your armor set or something.
It doesnt always have to be dps increasing stuff to get
@@neelarai971 Corruptions were the first time gear mattered, items actually had an impact instead of just being stat sticks. First time WoW felt like an RPG. And 5 masks were an easy way to get them in 20 mins a week.
Damn I miss Timeless Isle, so much PVP fun
There are two things I fondly remember about the Timeless Isle. First was that if you were a small enough race (IE goblin or gnome) or used a toy to get small enough, you could squeeze through the top of the interactable cave-in to go grab the mallet needed to demolish the cave-in. I would do this so many times while grinding in there, and even told others how it's done. Since the place is abandoned nowadays, you may need to do this to get that event done...
Second was grinding in the western side of the Ordon sanctuary, where a bunch of elite mobs were, a chest at the back end of the "room", and sometimes a rare spawn at the entrance to it. As non-rare mobs, these dropped the most rep for Emperor Shaohao, and as a Hunter were not too hard to defeat. I spent countless hours and days grinding up there, and when I finally reached exalted I was so sick I stopped playing for a week or so.
As compensation for this 9.1 delay, they should give us mage towers in the meanwhile waiting for 9.1.
Nazjatar was never intended to be sandbox like Timeless island. Before 8.2 became live, devs said that Nazjatar was a regular zone and Mechagon was the Sandbox zone this time, and they did it well. Mechagagon brought to me many memories of timeless islands: Everyone working together to kill rares and solve hidden events/puzzles, camping rares and many things to craft. Also, you forgot to mention that Mythic+ feature came from Pandaria/WoD challenge mode. In fact, Mythic+ is just a improvement of it.
I love the part where you're talking about how useful mass summoning was while the footage is someone going full-tilt Symmetra troll on their raid group.
4:20 Hiru taking shots at Wowhead / US general forums daaamn
Thanks for all the recent content Hiru, I really wish we can have Reforge back, I believe that would make a lot of players appreciate the gear they get a bit more, since there are a lot of secondary stats that are no longer used, so customizing your gear would be a LOT easier
Fun fact: I went to level in Legion, with help from DMF. Completeing the 4 main leveling zones and every sidequest I found *didn't get me to Lv50*; in fact; I had to do multiple dungeons beyond the dungeon quests to even hit 48.
I loved the Classic Dungeons being big. Lower and Upper Blackrock Spire, the Blackrock Deeps, Dire Maul, Maraudon… loved them all so much. It felt like real adventure, not just running through. And you always found something to do or secrets.
Now, even when the Dungeons are new and hard, it’s basically just running through.
god I just want reforging back
nah, it was too op
@@Forendel In a way it was. If blizzard actually put work into it like all the new features they add in every new expac and balance it, it wouldn't be removed
without expertise and hit chance, reforging will create some of the most ridiculous min max, stat capping and some other bs, that IDK if they are healthy for the game.
It will be very fun to watch tho, but IDK if it will be ok to play like that
Reforging was just the answer to the problem of hit/expertise. It made sense that it got removed when hit and expertise did
I just want mists back
I love this video because at the time of writing, people are are so negative about the game it's hard to even recognize when something is good in game
We need more of this XD
Now now, originally Have Group Will Travel worked everywhere, even in raids. What ended up happening was guilds would send a rogue in to skip all the trash and summon everyone to the boss. That did not last long before being nerfed.
Chromie’s timewalking campaigns are great, but the way they suddenly break the level scaling and throw you out at level 50 is such a kick in the nuts. If they can’t let you stick around in old content at 50, they should at least warn you before you miss the opportunity to disable xp.
I wish you could just do them until max level and then start on the covenant stuff.
You may or may not know this, but there are NPC’s you can visit that lock your XP. Visit them right before 50 and you can keep playing through Chromie Time as much as you want. I know the Alliance one is somewhere in SW, but I’m not sure where the Horde one is. Give it a Google and you’ll find what I’m talking about.
Obviously it’s not the same as just being able to level all the way to 60 but it’s something.
@@Yomom12388 “If they can’t let you stick around in old content at 50, *they should at least **_warn you_** before you **_miss the opportunity_** to **_disable xp_* .”
chromie time is arguably my favorite feature period. i love having a different leveling experience every time i level an alt
I did Fire, Frost and Arcane Mage, and Outlaw Rogue. I'd never properly learned Frost or Arcane until this point, and boy howdy was I in for a learnin'; each one took me 30 or so attempts. I also did my wife's Ret Paladin for her, despite not even having my own Pally. I would have done Assassination Rogue but I could not face the Sigryn fight a third time.
I overgeared Fire and was goddamned good at it, and had the Dragon's Breath legendary and crit talent, so wiping out the Imps was effortless. Took me all of twenty seconds lmao
For some reason, this video makes me want to repurchase my WoW subscription and start playing again. Nice video.
Final Fantasy 14 gear system is similiar to #9, essentially doing any high end content gives you a quantity of something called a Tomestone. You then turn in Tomestones for gear, as high as around 900 Tomes for a chestpiece to around 400 for an accessory.
You can then upgrade said gear to higher levels by turning them in with Materials from raids. But raids ALSO give you gear. So your raid group is almost always progressing in inventory upgrading regardless of raid results
It's a pretty satisfying system. I hope WoW goes in a similar direction
This system was in WoW. Where do you think FFXIV got it from?
proof that legion was the best expansion ever.
Yes, I fully agree here. In all fairness, it did have issues in AP and randomly dropping legendaries. But when AP didn't matter and you had all the legendaries, it was a blast. Switching around legendaries mid-dungeon for AoE, single target, survival, utility, specific boss reason was amazing. I remember having too many gear setups for the equipment manager. Also as a good tank you were responsible for your own life, without needing to be suicidal to perform well offensively (looking at MoP and vengeance). Also, the last xpac we weren't gcd-locked constantly (wtb frenzied rejuv off gcd). Mage tower, M+, no need to do pvp to pve
Wrath was the best expansion ever (for me) so many new things added in that were awesome like achievements/hard modes ect
no man shadowlands and bfa are totally the best expansions ~litterally nobody
"Even Blizzard thinks they go too far with conveniences added to the game, and will pull them back even if everyone likes it."
Was there anyone who didn't already believe Blizz has no problem removing popular conveniences?
#3.1: Warlock's green fire questline
You totally skipped the part about Challenge Modes system introduced in Mists of Pandaria which eventually became Mythic Plus system. Give the proper credit where it's due :D
I agree that Mechagon was the closest they managed to re-creating another Timeless Isle, they just seem to not get it at all that the fact it was pretty much a flat terrain made it so much more easier to get around. People really hate annoying and complicated terrains. I think Nazjatar is the best example of what NOT to do. Honestly, before I managed to unlock flying, that zone was a nightmare to get around in if you're stuck on the ground.
7 years, 10 months, 13 days since timeless isle was released, truly timeless
Your video makes me realise how good MoP was at intergrating new systems. New Mythic difficulty for raiding and flex raiding, challenge modes being the OG Mythic dungeons, timeless isle, legendary questlines for all classes, your own farm/some sort of player housing, reforging, world bosses as we know them, battle pets and even the green warlock fire quest being more or less the original solo class challenge. I bet I'm missing some but you get the idea
upgradable gear that you could farm currency to make your gear better.
In my opinion challenge modes are also up there. The first type of challenge in dungeons in wow and the true original version of what is m+ today
As someone that sold 100's of CM carries and did realm best times I miss CM's :( pretty much all I did in WoD.
the difficulty with the mage tower was there were some fights that were clearly better for some classes, but the gear progression of the expansion meant that by the end of the expansion you could absolutely get good on a class and do it, but it would still be tough. I remember my pally's dps challenge was extremely tough but the tank challenge turned out to be quite easy
"and fitting the currently existing armor to the races"
As a pandaren main I can tell you right now blizz doesn't really care about that
MoP had Challenge Mode dungeons, which you could say were the predecessor to Mythic dungeons.
i really enjoyed these, ideally i mained a Warlock so i had the Felfire questline too in that expansion.
I never had as much fun with the game as I did with Timeless Isle. It was pure sandbox joy. It was like a small town full of rilvalries and trolling.
I missed the original glyph system. My main had inscription, and the change seemed designed to make inscription worthless. My jewelcrafter and enchanter could continually make money selling new gems and enchants, but that wasn't possible for my scribe. Making card decks was an RNG crapshoot that took up too much storage and was made worthless with the revamped Darkmoon Faire repeatables.
Best/challenging mage tower fight was for the protection paladin. The class and spec with the lowest single target DPS in the game was given a DPS race against not one but two bosses, and during the entire fight you would have to deal with instant death mechanics from multiple mobs at the same time (you'd get knocked out of the arena and die if you got hit by any of them). It was a massive mess that you couldn't just outgear, and it was so much fun.
The Mage Tower was probably my favorite thing to ever be put into Warcraft. I loved the Holy Paladin and tank challenges! I remember enjoying the Isle of Thunder more than the Timeless Isle but both were awesome.
I miss Mage Tower :( So many cool transmogs to get are lost :(
Yea, especially when u play other classes you didnt play back then.
Would love to have myself a Disco Kitten Druid but.. sadly not.
years of regret not getting the guardian druid one :(
Hit caps 'without' reforging made gearing more interesting. You had to somewhat think about your upgrades beyond just ilevel. Reforging and to a lesser extent gems are what made hit cap (and gearing generally) into busy work, because there was no scenario were you weren't meeting it. It went from a meaningful factor in choosing upgrades, to a little chore you did after every piece of gear you picked up.
Reforging was also used to get casters to hit their haste soft-caps or hard-caps exactly and then switch to whatever stat they value most after that e.g. crit. That way their main filler spell would be at the minimum 1 second cast (soft-capped), or their GCD would be at 1 second (hard-capped) and they would not be wasting stats through overcapping haste.
While not a "system" so I get why it's not on the list, the warlock green fire quest was the most fun I've had solo on WoW. I hope more difficult class quests make it into the game one day.
Chromie-time (along with the level squish) is imo the best feature of Shadowlands.
24:00 the true issue with Cataclysm's dungeon difficulty was that stat rating scaled so bad at the beginning of the expansion that unless you were in full dungeon gear, dungeons were brutal, to heal especially. Haste was so little and mana regen was so slow that every pull felt like Mythic 10 trash. I personally despised it, I admit.
Not sure if it counts as a system, but the ring of blood has always been one of my favorite parts of the game.
It stuck for 3 expansions so it had a decent run, but i wish it stayed around for longer.
Back View I think it was around in a form until legion (bfa had the characters in the pirate dungeon that announced shark puncher)
Its also kinda got a form in the SL world quest in mald, just without wodin and gurgthok
This video made me happy and sad, lots of great memories of all the best things to be added in this game
I was that person summoning 39 others to kill the King of SW, oh it felt so good. Made the For The Horde/Ally achv so much fun. 2 groups 80 people with 2 button clicks.
I honestly think one of the big reasons people loved the Timeless Isle was that it was pretty. It was genuinely pleasant to spend time there; it was beautiful. Tanaan Jungle? Argus? Being in those places is depressing. I wanted to get my shit done and leave. What I would LOVE would be say, the Dragon Isles in a Timeless Isle sort of sandboxy, do what you want because it all rewards you, _beautiful_ minizone.
I miss the Mage Tower every day
Same, I'll probably never get over the fact that there are 17 super cool weapon transmogs that I won't ever have.
the key to the timeless isle was the amount of interesting things they added to it… and the biggest thing was the fact that you could earn gear for you alts on your main, in korthia you can technically do that but it costs stygia and it’s not exact pieces, the implementation of that system makes absolutely no sense.
Future features people are going to love: Unyielding characters, you can make a character where all quests and open world content is an order of magnitude harder, items drop a lot less common but once you complete a zone with the character you unlock an "unspoiled bounty" buff which allows you to get MUCH more loot from open world zones you completed with your Unyielding character. This is to breathe air into older content by not only making it difficult, but also giving an incentive to do it.
Fresh servers: Most people can't imagine playing a new character, but on these special realm groups everything is 100% completely fresh, not a single characters exists on them and you can only play with other people from that realm group, creating a brand new economy with a ton of new challenging goals and incentives.
Hardcore Characters: The much liked challenge of levelling a character without dying just got serious, can you do it officially? If you do your reward will be your name in the ledger of legendary characters (a bit like how the Wintergrasp book kept track of wins / losses), and a toy where you could summon a copy of the ledger for people to read.
Okay so, where is "Group Finder" system? It was one of best system they ever added to the game back in WoD
I think it was created as an answer to oQueue, a tool that had similar functionality to the modern group finder. Blizzard likes to take inspiration from the addon creators. Equipment manager, r.io score, oQueue, gear score, etc.
Not saying it's a bad thing, when things become a necessity set by the community, might as well have it as a built in functionality.
The best system is flex raiding, before flex my guild would always struggle to get enough for 10 man and when we did get more, people had to be benched, after flex people turned up more as they always got a spot.
What I miss the most are Challenge modes from MoP. Those were the best fun I had in wow....
Ohhhhhh! A good system that I think was added was the whole scaling in raids, flex raids I think it’s called? To where you can have 15 if you want or 30 if you want, instead of a boss tuned to 10 or 25 as far as difficulty and drops and such. It’s pretty nice to now be able to pick up a person or two if they log in late or still be able to do a guild run without having to pug 5 people, even if it’s only useable for normal/heroic raids.
I was on a PvP server when the Timeless Isle was put in. It was fun despite being killed by other players farming the Blood Coins. I also did enjoy being able to gear up so easily yet having to deal with several really tough elite NPCs.
Mythic+ was a ton of fun when it came out in Legion. It was new and gave you something else to do while getting gear and just chilling out. Now I loathe Mythic+, the toxic min/max attitude around it, and repeating the same dungeons for the same loot for the rest of the game. Plus now it seems like they are creating dungeons with MDI in mind more than anything else. Maybe its nostalgia but i miss challenge modes and the unique gear that you could get from them. I think limited unique gear/appearances have more incentive to do them like the mage tower proved (though the fact the mage tower was hard for each spec also made them super fun).
I remember swimming to the timeless isle on my level 85 character at the time to farm grubs to power level. Went from 85 to 90 in two hours lmao
I think they might be able to hit another timeless Isle right this expansion, given they have far more options to go with given the shadowlands is supposed to be infinite.
The mage tower was easily my prime of WoW. Getting 36/36 is probably my best ever achievement to date.
I'd like to point out that the grand majority of these are gone.
Figures.
I came to say the same thing
And the current systems are universally hated for at least expansions in a row.
transmog and the collection tab. Being able to empty my bank and inv was so wonderful
The mythic dungeon system didn't start in Legion. It was first tried in MOP.
Their was challenge mode back in MoP and WoD their was pretty fun to do, where you get cool tmog
"Have group will travel" actually worked in the instance you did not have to run out. You just needed to stand close to the entrance portal.
IMHO they should just nerf if that you can use it only near raid entrances so you can no longer port entire raid to opposite faction capital.
Require a meeting stone in a certain vicinity. That's stupid simple since they'd till put those by all dungeons and raids
Transmogrification is one of the best things ever added to WoW imo
Mage tower was so amazing, i wish it eas added thru chromie just for fun, not asking for the wep skins, just do it for fun, maybe some toys. I did it back then on every class / spec in the game. So much fun.
I’d love to see a top 10 oldest npcs lore wise
Reforging was so cool.
An engi item would have fixed the problem of not equipping a new item instantly. Or make reforging a part of jewelcrafting to begin with.
Or maybe a mount like say a yak that can transmog and reforge while mounted. Oh wait.
17:13
For me and Arcane Mage challenge, the hardest part was not to blink through the golden wall and accidently reset the encounter. It happened so much for me that I almost gave up half way through and screamed how is it even possible that you can blink through that wall.
The Prot warrior challenge was one of the hardest things I ever did in wow. That was after (I think) the first set of nerfs to the tank challenge. When I did it a year later on a friends undergeared alt (similar gear to what I had back then), the challenge was a shell of its former self and I was able to completely steamroll through it only resetting the health reduction once.
Though debatable as to whether it led to mythic+, challenge mode was a tier of harder mode (above heroic) that was introduced in WoD (pre-cursor to Legion which started the mythic+'s). To me, the challenge mode was blizzard prototyping/testing for mythic+'s
System that I would consider as one to be candidate for top of this list is dual spec. For sure it is thing I miss most in classic.
Brawler's Guild, Horrific Visions and Torghast are all great solo(or co-op with friends) content.
Imo torghast starts to become cheeks to solo past like 5, maybe it's cause I'm a solo player so my gear sucks.
I totally agree with Mythic+. One system that's really loved and isn't included here is Transmog, and especially since Legion with the Appearance collection. It's responsible for so much play time, re-invigorated RP-ing nd character fantasy, and made old content relevant.
Also the Brawler's Guild is excellent. It's fun solo challenges with other players watching so it's a community experience too, talking between matches, betting on each other, etc.
The Mage tower was so good. I had not really played my druid since TBC heavily, but I had to have that guardian druid skin. Was fun getting good enough to earn it. Mage tower type incentives need a return.
I'm sad I missed that
One quick thing... Raid finder was relaesed in Dragon soul. It came out in two parts weeks apart. I remember it well and with shudders travelling up and down my spine....Great video!
Brooo the amount of uploads and quality is insane!
Please bring back mage tower 2.0, I still have my profile picture of getting my mage tower appearance I just noticed. That shows alone how happy I was and how enjoyable / rewarding completing a hard challenge like that is, I think they could even possibly create a Mage tower + where it's like a solo m+ keystone except its just some bosses designed for your class and you can keep upgrading your level whenever you want similar to m+.
(Side note I only just came up with this idea and i think it's brilliant, If this had a similar Raider.io system attached it could help prove potential for a lot of players since it's Solo content)
"Technically you can make any boss a hard mode by just doing it wrong" my guild killed Council of Blood in such a weird order that was way harder than what most people were doing, literally a hard mode for no reason lolol finally someone was like uhhh you know we don't have to kill them this way right
Why didn't council have a hard mode trigger? I really have to wonder now that you mention it
I’d love reforge to come back it was my favorite. And the old school talent system vs the new talent system.
We got half of it brother
Just wanting to add some clarity: a lot of the points you made about Leveling changes with Chromie Time were actually fixed with the world scaling added in 7.3.5 (end of Legion). The scaling added was what allowed you to pick and play through your favorite zones with a much larger level range and scaling mobs. Chromie Time actually limited some of the freedom of the previous system by forcing you to go through a specific expansion instead of being able to freely pick zones once you reached the minimum level.
Chromie Time definitely improved a lot of the experience and was more recognized by the community (having an actual name helps too), but the 7.3.5 change was what actually fixed most of the problems you listed (i.e. Silverpine and Hillsbrad)
Not really. I leveled a bunch of characters in BFA but prior to Chromie Time and while it was better after Scaling at the end of Legion, you still would move on from zones and continents well before you were finished. WOD is a great example, you would do 10 levels there in only the Starting Zone (Shadowmoon for Alliance, Frost Fire Ridge for Horde). You would finish 10 levels in Legion with just opening your Class Hall and finishing 1 zone. None of it was remotely cohesive an must have been incredibly jarring to a new player. The starting Island and Chromie Time is a massive improvement.
@@andrewshandle I wasnt saying that Chromie Time isnt definitely better. But my point is that you could always finish entire zones if you wanted. Maybe not WoD Nagrand because of min level, but every other zone could be completed without leveling out of the zone.
@@Neomagam So you still needed to get to level 110 before going to BFA content, and so while Legion scaling might have helped levels 1-60, it didn't help 60 - 110 at all, and honestly 1-60 was easy.
Chromie Time fixed 60-110, and debatably helped 1-60 a lot too by replacing 1-20 with the New Character Island (the name escapes me at the moment), gets you a mount and a full set of gear, then sends you on your way.
Yeah so we were doing Ulduar with our casual 10 man raid guild not realizing we were triggering hardmode on Flame Leviathan and XT. Still managed to kill them, then we actually decided to look up some in-depth tactics