The Ultimate Car Audio Battery- The Power of Titan 8’s
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#Lto battery #lto #titanate lto battery #lithium titanate cells #Watt test #car audio #spl #car audio fabrication #how battery works #car battery - ยานยนต์และพาหนะ
It's really amazing how far battery tech has come in the last 15 years.
It truly is - I remember all there was , was “deep cycle” 😆
@LivinLoudwithAndy got a question so I have a taramp smart 8k bass and it's clamps at 1ohm 11,234 watts burp and playing music over 10k I have a separate high output alternator just for the sounds 250 amp going up to 370amp and I have 2 titan8 s5 batteries getting a 3rd one which will put me at 30ah in batteries will that be more than enough power to keep my voltage from dropping to 11 voltage when playing?
Video turned out awesome Andy! Great comparison between the two in this scenario! 💪🏼💪🏼
Thankyou @4xspower 🙌🏼 Excellent little batteries you have here 👊🏼
Another banger vid Andy! And always bringing the LOUD!
Thankyou Dubby❤️❤️❤️ Always 🔊
Great video Andy, keep up the good work. When the time comes I might just look into the Titan.
Thankyou JAM! It’s a solid investment 100%
So much power for being so small 🔋🪫
If that battery is rated for 5000 watt i would suggest getting 2 of them otherwise you are killing that bro
Absolutely- both will be installed from here on out
That quad box is hungry 🤤 🤣
awesome , would you leave a agm in the engine bay, should now try adding a power cap in the engine bay and then see what happens.
@@CRXUGLYKIDas soon as you said power cap I knew you had no idea what you were talking about.
@@brianrich7828 I guess you've never heard of UltraCaps lol. Those are actully pretty good caps if on a low budget, but still would reccommend lithium over it.
Thanks for the great info Andy ✌️
This is amazing! I remember running 4 agm group 31s in my tahoe for 1500 watts. It made a huge difference but man this is so much smaller.
Smaller and stronger 👊🏼
Agms are great if your comfortable in the 11s
AND having a back brace after installing 😉😅
Great video Andy, you just gotta love the kiddies.
Thanks JT! Them darn kids 🙂😅
I know about you!!! I’ve seen your Cookie Monster build all over the internet. Loved it!
So cool!!! So glad you found the channel man 🍪❤️
I been shopping for batteries for my bass 5k so this video helped out thanks...
Happy to help how I can ! 🙌🏼 thanks for watching!
In same exact boat with needing a passenger/kid friendly truck.. funny I was looking at doing the single run setup too cause it would fit behind my rear seat wo issue which is where my amps are anyways. I don’t have enough clearance for the titans.. they are a bit too thick cause my box goes all the way to the back of the cab.. I’m looking at getting two of the xp680’s as they will just fit above the box and as the seats taper back..
I actually could pull my center console and I think I could fit a Titan under there but there is a lot of metal under there and I really don’t want to have a mishap where I end up with 200amps running through my butt checks while driving lol..
I really like the idea of the covered connections though.. especially since it’s inside a metal box hidden out of sight.
holy cow your system is awesome dude
Thankyou Alex 🔥🍪🚀
Put them together show what a good combo does..
Definitely will ! Stay tuned 👊🏼
I have a RSV-S6. 14V LTO for the win. I love it and have it matched up with a 14v lto 60ah Ioxus IX-3160 and then a XS Power SB630.
Good info here thx
Thankyou Nick!!
great video I like these, I will like to see you test the lto 6.0 by D4s
I’ll put that on the bucket list ! Good little battery as well 🙌🏼👊🏼
If I have a GM in the front and lithium in the back would it be okay to hook my mid and high amp up to the ATM it's a 400 w amp and then hook my 3000 w sub amp up to the lithium?
I have 2 renogy 100ah lithium batterys. Are those any good for caraudio? Should I get something else?
Just ordered an XS Power PWR S5. Question, stock alternator is 210 amps and resting voltage at my amplifier is 14.9v, which XS states in the manual to not go over 14.4v. I emailed XS tech support, but want guidance if this resting voltage is bad for LTO batteries? Diode isolators cut voltage 0.7v or so, but do not want to go that route due to amperage limitations on those, and DC to DC chargers at high amperage are very costly. Any help/tips would greatly be helpful. Thanks!
I got a 1000-watt system rn, and I got a 150 amp alt. While playing, my voltage drops enough to make my signal clip. Need a small enough battery to fit under my driver seat, but keep my voltage around 12-13, got any recommendations?
Great video, Andy. "How long can it keep it up?"... exactly. How well has it worked listening to music bumping down the road? For BASS HEAVY, Livin' Loud bass music (which I enjoy when on main roads, not neighborhoods) was there any noticeable drop-off with repeated low bass hits? Have you been able to road test it yet? I'm asking because of the greater discharge of the power series... the charge time I know is in m/s but curious. I like to 'buy ahead' with components because it's too expensive to "save" a couple hundred $$$ just to buy the 'better' component in a year (for me). Thanks!
Thankyou ! With this set up I noticed less output from hot coils more so than voltage drop
It does drop but almost a brick wall around 11.3-5
Compared to AGMs I’ve ran where it would see 10s to 9s on the same power and input applied
With the right alternator it would stay steady 12.4-12.8 if not more 🙌🏼🔥
@@LivinLoudwithAndy Thanks, Andy. For me, it checks all of the boxes, Cost-Available Power 'Spike (function/performance)'-Size-Weight-Reliability :)
@@kjata77 it’s honestly an awesome battery for the size ❤️🔥
Im running a js 320 alt all welding cable 0 gauge and a down for sound lto 6.0 with a jp 43 and the voltage recovers fast but isnt strong enough cause ill drop from 14.2 -12.2 full tilt my plan is to get the xs power 500farad super cap bank that is made to run with the lto and hopefully that keeps me at 13 volts until i can get a titan 8 under the hood 04 camry
How do these little lithium batteries function in vehicles with ecm controlled alternators that have charge voltage higher than rated voltage of lithium batteries? My 06 Dodge 2500 charges 14.8-14.9 above 40°F. Pushes 15.1-15.3 when temperatures approach 0°F. Short of completely redoing the electronical(not interested) id like to add 1-2 lithium batteries but not uf over charging is going to damage them. Current set up will be utilizing JP77 which pulls a 3000 watt rms. With 12k winch and accessory lighting, i want have ample safe power but unsure how to incorporate lithium. Can you shed some light on this? Thanks again Andy
So these need no charge out the box? Ive been looking at getting 2 of these or the package from D4S that has the 2 LTO 6.0s with charger. What is your opinion?
I am running 3 titan8 6s on a jp83 pushing 4 12 inch Solo X's. Only drop .2 at full tilt. XS FTW!!!!!!!!
Now that … is AWESOME 🔥
Thankyou for sharing 🔊🔊🔊🔊
Great video very helpful for us beginners. I have a jl audio XD600-1V2 with a CLS10"W7 and XD600-6V2 powering Focal es165kx2 Mechman alternater 240 amps yellow top battery do I need a secondary battery?
Thankyou !!!
With having that set up - the alternator will do 90% of the work
If you do plan on upgrading to say a 2000w system for the bass
Then add something to help spread the load 🔥👊🏼
Ive seen videos of a 4k amp running with only a 240 alt and 1 lto 6.0 and staying at like 13.8 so im wondering if my alt is actually putting out good power and my amp is turned down
Great video! I’m really thinking of getting a couple of the pwr s5 for my jp83 amp. I already have 2 d3400’s under my hood. My concern is my voltage is around 15-15.2 on a cold day start up, but drops to mid 14’s when warm. Will that still be ok for these batteries? Thanks!
They have a 14 volt model . 12, 14, 16
I have 2 of the pwr titan 8 5000 on a Crescendo 6k on 2 xv3 15s and man i love them they recharge super quick i didn't want to spend that much but i wanted a piece of mind and easy plug and play when i disconnect them to charge separate from my agm battery under the hood xs power for the win 🎉
Couldn’t say it better !!! Easy and effective 🔥🙌🏼 XSFTW
With stock alt or that's upgraded too ? I'm asking because I have a 320alt and it's not enough for a jp 43 and I can grab 1 of these titan 8s today for 250$
@@NickVaughn-en9bbyou can run that jp43 with 320alt and you can still get a titan 8 just upgrade your electrical and you should be good I have a 270 in my Jeep with 2 of them
GTFTW keep up the great work pro and know you are appreciated. You reallyly making me considering going h that routers lol
Thankyou Roger !!! Doing my best for you guys 🚀🙌🏼
They are solid batteries 🔋💯 easy and reliable
I have a s5 on a 2500 sia it holds voltage without charging 12.7 12.8 for 3000 watts total with voice and stock alternator it can hold well . When it charges it stays 14.3-14.0
Heck ya ! Those are the ranges they really succeed in voltage wise 🙌🏼
No reason to stress equipment like this tho it is cool to see their limits 🔥👊🏼
So the titan how many would I have to run for a 3000watt amp I’m not able to run the subs at 1 ohm pulls too many amps with 3 agms 105 amp hours at 3600 watts so I’m stuck at 4 ohms also this is on my pontoon so I can’t install an upgraded alternator for an outboard motor. So Batteries are the way to go. But I don’t want all that extra weight. It slows you down. I would like a lithium set up. I just don’t know exactly what I need to keep me bumping for 10 or so hours
I agree about commercial drop in solutions in that they are just convenient in being plug and play, after doing the proper charging routine of course.
I will gladly pay more in knowing that I will have support AND a warranty, after the initial purchase. Any DIY equivalent solution has you pretty much on your own.
We appreciate the effort you put into these kinds of demo/comparison explainer vids. Team Green FTW! 🔥
Absolutely! Paying for Trust and reliability
No strings attached always sounds good in the beginning 😉
Thankyou Baba! More to come too 😊
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There's so many diy with full vid instructions by a lot of installers. You can get so much more power. Diy is called diy for a reason 😅
@@imfrom210texas While true... there are risks associated with the DIY choice of assembling, charging and installing a lithium bank. Some people have the dexterity and aptitude to follow a video along and build one themselves. Other folk are more comfortable in using a ready made commercial application for plug and play ease of use. It all depends on the individual. And besides, some of us are just friggin lazy TBH. 😆
Ya my heart rate the first time was thru the roof because I know the consequences if I mess up 😆
Some people don’t even know the possibilities and that’s when you hear the horror stories of cars catching fire or injury while assembling without the prior experience
Not gonna be fore everyone
But everyone at some point of their experience in the hobby !
@@LivinLoudwithAndy This also doesn't account for the occasional mistake that can happen from being inattentive or tired. Sometimes people forget to remove a fuse or hot power run before manipulating their setups, so worst case scenarios can happen. Bass Dad had a perfect video that illustrated this. He posted his mistake as a public service announcement for awareness and public safety.
Is there any testing footage for the Critical Mass Kinetik 6,000?? (CM-LB 6000)
Not yet but if I get my hands on one there will be 🙌🏼🔥
So final verdict. Which one is better to keep in your car the reserve or power series? I know we can build better lithiums but i like that this battery is good to go out of the box and has a nice casing. Im just running a system with 5k watts total of anplifier power. 1-2 of these with a d2400 and 320 amp alt should be sufficient.
You just gotta look at it this way … The Titan power will drop less voltage compared to the reserve
Tho it will eventually drop down to the voltage the reserve drops to and then some
I think two power series would be equivalent of play time as the one reserve
But have a lot less drop 👊🏼
Two reserves will last even longer
But have a greater drop than the two powers
Give and take 👊🏼🔥
So xspower series better than d4slto6 ? The d4s supposedly good for cars that can't change alternator like mine. I have a jeep wrangler jl 2.0 turbo with etorque. It foesnt have a alternator. It has a generator and a 48v lithium bank under the jeep help regenerating the battery to Stay at a 14.3 to 14.8v. What would you recommend. I'm pushing (2) ds18 gfx3k-2 totaling 6000watts for my subs and 3200 rms for mids highs. Was going with 3 agm odyssey extreme xtr3100 batteries but that's ALOT of weight. Thanx until the next video
Appreciate the feedback!
The D4S is semi similar to the Power series
It has two banks of 2.9ah 75c cells
Think of 6x75 so an estimate of 450a of peak discharge for a few seconds
The Titan power is one bank of 10ah 75c
So roughly 750a of peak maybe more
That being said the Titan has more potential power but the price reflects that
I would recommend in laymen’s term … 1 Titan for every 3 AGMs you normally would be using
If you want steadier voltage with longer play time on the limited power supply then running two would be beneficial 🙌🏼
What program and tools do you use to hook, up your computer, I need a good set up to read my car. Any suggestions and things to avoid
Click the “Next USB w/ 2 sensors! livinloudwithandy.com/spl
This is the best bang for your buck with all the stats you’ll need to know with testing your system 🔥👊🏼
Say know more...good that u putting him on.....
Bro I didn't know you had a TH-cam channel you should have told me I would have subscribed a long time ago
All good man! Glad you’re hear now! Hope all has been well man 👊🏼👊🏼👊🏼
I was looking at titan 8 3400, however I went with an Underground Power 40ah bank. I have a JS 370 alternator. Deaf Bonce AAK-2000.5 I can go full tilt for about 25 minutes straight before hitting 13.0. Just running 2 10s wired at 1 ohm. Those cxa 1800.1s arent gna put out any more power than u clamped at 3500~ watts. Need bigger amps. Which is why you werent seeing more power on the amp side.
True those amps were pretty much tapped - make really good power down to 12v too
That UG 40ah is a 6s LTO bank as well
Slower discharge and recharge values and twice the space
Good batteries tho - nice for that single 1800.1
Had a DIY battery of the same, on this set up and it did very well ! More fuel in the tank but less horsepower per pound available in a sense👊🏼
Scratch that - that Underground battery is LFP
Different chemistry - will do more than fine tho regardless
I'm gonna switch from headway to yinlong. I've got a 320a alt. How much would I need for a daily 8k system? Like 40ah?
You could get away with one bank but will probably damage the cells from over discharging and/or limited run time
I would go with 2banks just so you can cover that discharge and have more capacity to play longer and hold voltage 🙌🏼
If I install a HO altenator in my hyundai sonata hybrid 2.4L 2012, how much would it effect the fuel efficiency? or for any car.
There is a way to break it down and with efficiency losses but …
If you look at power as just watts - 746w =1hp
Obviously nothing is 100% efficient but even if it was … let’s say 5hp loss
To figure out mpg - that’s above me but there is math you can do to get an idea
Tbh nothing noticeable - maybe a difference of .1 mpg 👊🏼🔥
@@LivinLoudwithAndy thanks man
I like the battery 🔋
Thanks man! Thing is a tank 🙌🏼
Super expensive. I'd just make a lithium pack, but it's kinda cool
Time is money but yes DIY when done right can be fruitful 🔥🙌🏼
Can I run the titan s6 on a 12v system . I have a 270 amp alt, will i get a fully charged from it?
If you charge above 14.4 when the car is warm then yes
I’ve ran them on 13.8v charging and results were close to the same as a 5s battery
Was the Titan or RSV used by itself or in conjunction with a regular car battery as a supplemental battery?
In conjunction- small stock lead acid up front
That’s what I recommend using these with !
How is this easier than the LTO6? It’s like identical in install but gives another 1000 watts of juice. I’m just genuinely curious.
Resting voltages - parasitic draws when ran with different chemistries
Being 5s these will pull off your AGM or stock battery
Rather than your stock battery pulling off your expensive batteries
Technically if you never shut your car off - it wouldn’t matter
But also charging range
To get the complete capacity of the 6s you need to charge to 15.7
The 5s only 13.5 really …
You will drop lower but have more capacity per cell
Pros and cons with each 🙌🏼
Such as remembered/"Such as described (with exclamation point .
Interesting...so my battery in my Chrysler 300 comes in the trunk stock...would i just take one of these and replace my regular Agm battery and be fine?
Absolutely! Or just add to it !
@@LivinLoudwithAndy OKAY COOL! Ill definitely need to do some research on how to add the battery but this is exactly what i need
What is the minimum alternator, can you use to change that battery?
Well depends how fast or slow you want to charge back to full
No real limit on minimum
I have a around 9000w and a 200amp altenator. Could i use 1 or 2 of this titan8. Whats you'll recomend to me?. Nice videoo
Easily 2!
One since you gave an upgraded alt - just to see the biggest results
And secondly to have more reserve and discharge
Two of these would be perfect on a 10k amp
All comes down to how much you actually clamp and for how long
@@LivinLoudwithAndydo you have an upgraded alt? if so what size
@@SEABASS05 stock for this build! 110a
@@LivinLoudwithAndy thanks man 🤙🏽
So I’m clueless with extra batteries. For a 2-2.5K system, what rating must an alt have to charge another battery?
Can be any size - just how long it will take and how the battery takes that charge it’s being sent
For example a Titan reserve will take longer to charge from dead but give you more play time
With my 100a alt and how those fluctuate with actual current
I can get fully charged from dead in 5-10mins
But discharge time depends how long I’m playing and how much the alternator is keeping up with that demand from the amp
Smaller alt - less time before you’re out lol!
Appreciate your comment!
@@LivinLoudwithAndy Thanks man! Crystal clear explanation.
What’s your thoughts on headway?
Good stuff man! I run a lot of LifePO4
Tried and true 👊🏼 Seen so many good results for the performance for its price 🔋
@@LivinLoudwithAndy thank you for the quick reply :~)
I got a 192ah headway on a 370 singer and a 270 Ohio Gen alts running a Bass 20k and a HD3k and at full tilt I see 12.5-12.9 after back to back full tilt songs.
Most times it holds 13’s solid.
People say 12.5v and up is acceptable.
You agree? Asking because you seem very knowledgeable.
Thanks bub :~)
If i want just 1 to power 6000rms do i want the power or reserve with a 220 amp alt
I would go with the power series for that high output alt
Are you running lead acid or agm under the hood
@@LivinLoudwithAndy agm
Run the Titan PWR6 then showtimeelectronics.com/products/xs-power-pwr-s6-titan8-14v-lithium-2000a-144-energy-wh-battery-for-6000-watts
@LivinLoudwithAndy that one says it's for 14 volts don't I need a 12 volt?
Does this battery do okay in freezing weather conditions?
Google: LTO 10ah 2.3v cells ,operating temperature range of -40°C to +60°C.
That’s quite a range ! I would assume yes 👊🏼🔥
That's awesome news thank you!
I guess you have a stock alternator???
So if you upgrade to around (240A - 300A ) you should be fine with one battery
Yes this build is a stock one
If you’re running only one Titan8 I would recommend only a stock alternator so you do not over charge/heat it
Two or more it’s fine
I’m sure you can do it but damage can be done over time 👊🏼
What we need to know is what batteries are they using inside those.. ?????
10ah prismatic LTO cells 75c
20ah prismatic LTO cells 30c
Power and reserve respectively
Looks to be a quality balance board as well to keep the cells at the same voltage throughout 🔥🙌🏼
@@LivinLoudwithAndy Okay yeah so those small size LTOs, I've seen those before. But I would think that means you are not charging them to full capacity Right?
good test, good info! pricy stuff though
Does titan8 come with BMS?
A balancer yes
BMS are limited unfortunately
I'm thinking of connecting 10 pieces in parallel.
Is a retrofitted BMS necessary?
Let me buy them "old" yinlongs now that you upgraded 😅
I’d hold onto em for the dyno but they’re his lol 🥲
Ur easy drawing 400 500 amps of power when u have ur system going hard u gotta be touching 150 db ive come to love that quad box i think it was a bold statement by kicker.
After watching I was right I ran 2 cvx 1800.1 T also ran the kxa 2400.1 many other kickers
I was interested by the compact size but then I kicked on the link 😬 too much
They are on the expensive side but takes the workmanship out of doing a DIY build
The integrated input terminal’s definitely help make the price make sense 👊🏼
I putting two of them in my truck
Excellent you’ll be happy!
Great video! I am a beginner to car audio. I have a an amp running at 3000 rms watts, and a 4 channel running at 100x4 and an epicenter. Stock alternator. Running 1/0 sky high wiring and an oddysey agm battery. What would you guys suggest i do so i can play my system for long periods? ANY SUGGESTIONS welcomed thanks
Thankyou !!! Happy to help where I can!
Alternators are more difficult but when done can fix a lot of wrongs ..
Without doing that you are playing on borrowed time honestly - whatever the battery can discharge and it’s capabilities
Bring 3000w rms you probably draw 2-300a so most batteries will work and be beneficial
If your sticking with the titans I would run the RSV version for longer play times and something that can take that power
Other options are LFP batteries and there are a lot to choose from
More one on one questions join my live or email me at livinloudwithandy@gmail.com
Appreciate ya!
Very expensive also $750.00-800.00 per battery (😢😢😢😢)
True but for those who have no clue on DIY - it’s worth it
Also warranties are a big plus and a “No questions asked” warranty .. even better
It's all kids that are nuts
Big believer on that 😆
haha trade them kidz in
Dude I wish ! 😅 Walmart won’t take em back 😆
🔥🔥🔥. Don't put your friends down are us his name now because you got a sponsor..you should just just unhook it.... You don't put friends up under bus ... Social media hold on to names ... Messing up clientele
He’s my best friend … I’m allowed lol
I want him to be known - he’s a great builder 👊🏼
imagine if it was 6s
You missed the end 👀
we have a 6s option coming that is 1/2 the price !
@@mazda2284 Link? Cost?
@@mazda2284- 6s for half price, with the same Ah, and C rating?
Glowe voltage is better and cheaper for $500 supports up to 12k buying titan 8 ur paying for a name
LFP has its pros and cons as well
Prismatic LTO is THE safest lithium chemistry out there
I’ll pay extra for that and a warranty
I have my own DIY banks too - headaches compared to clicking a button then simply waiting for it to arrive and install
Pros and cons everywhere ❤️👊🏼
Ps -that “12k” is not a realistic rating
Those are good for 700a down to 12v
That’s 8,400w of battery power
Amplifiers are usually 75-80% efficient
So roughly good for 6,500w Stand Alone
Add 1,400w for every 100a of input you have 👊🏼
Power cap come on man
Had to eliminate all other factors for a proper test! Did about the same as the yin long with UC cap !
Better off with 12 10ah lto prismatics.
The power series uses those cells
Tampons in the door lol
Those are scib cells in there and they are ran in 5s configuration which is under charging the cells which also means the cell life is shortened, scabs are ment to be ran in 6s. Garbage battery
Unfortunately I only charge to 14 - mostly 13.8 under normal conditions
Not for every set up - great for vehicles with low charging systems
Not garbage
That's cute he says he has alot of power with 2 1800.1 amps lol 😁 shit that's just my 6x9's
Who uses 6x9s in a big build 🫠
We're so happy for you, Sparky. 😂
I know he likes kicker and all. But their amps are not it . What is their biggest amp 2400 Watts LOL