I have an 80a alt, Northstar group 24f AGM up front and a single XS Power Titan8 PWR S5 on a Sundown 200.4 and a Deaf Bonce 7900.1. Holds around 12.4v full tilt for a full song before she starts fading.
In my work/ Daily I'm running a stock 150a alt that powers a group 24f AGM under the hood and a D4S LTO 6.0 with a D4S Super capacitor 500 Farads bank.
Thanks for the knowledge JP but some of these viewers questions & comments lead me to think there's a car bbq in their future. A man's gots to know his limitations.
6.0 is great BUT it does not have enough storage capacity for good long loud sessions, dont get me wrong they definitely have their place in the car audio industry but its more or less a juiced up capacitor. Not hate all love💙
I love your videos my friend. I have four rockford fosgate t2 16 inch subs at 1ohm two t2500-1bdcp amps and one 320amp alternator for now. What kind of audio batteries should I get for my system?
You are running a total of roughly 324 cells? so a 4S81P "bank" essentially? Sure you are not mistaken and run 64Ah in a 4S8P configuration with a total of 32 cells?
@@moabs10blowthru41 total of 384 cells, 780Ah and have it in a configuration of 4s8p and have 12 4s8p banks? What are you running my guy? I run 5k Watts on 4s4p(32Ah) and a 500F cap bank, stock 150A alt and stock group 94 agm under the hood. Drop 13.9 to 13.7 full tilt for about a song then I'll drop to 13.4 into the end of the 3rd and lowest I've seen ever is 13.1 after a while only at idle(roughly 30 min). Driving down the freeway i pretty much stay 13.9 maybe see 13.7 if its a chaos song. Granted yes only 5k and only 145db but it's in my daily. My build i have 90Ah Cmax going on a taramps md12k or a dc 10.0k(i have a few amps) on 2 15 NSv3s, charge at 15.5v on a 370 and I'm going to probably add another 370 cause why not, I'll build it and the bracket myself so wont cost much.
I have a question, I recently purchased two LTO's, my plan was to replace a Cyber 12k V1 I bought brand new about 3 years ago. I've asked this question already in other places I want to see if a get some other thoughts. Can I mix the two chemistry's, or better yet can I mix the two LTO'S with my Cyber 12k? I did a bttery delete, under the hood I have a XS power sb500-34.
The answer to your question is a bit more complicated, and requires a more detailed explanation. So long as it is a lithium titanate battery (LTO), yes. Lithium Iron Phosphate (LiFePo4) shouldn’t be mixed without using a battery isolator.
Can I replace my UPS battery with that battery, for more capacity? I have a 600 watts UPS in which I have my computer, 2 monitors and the router plug in. Can I use that battery? Thank you for your time and assistance!
I'm running a Hifonocs Brutus BRX3016.1D amp (Bass) & a Pyle PLA2840 amp (mids/highs). I am running an Optima Red Top battery. What do you recommend the battery best fit to run?
From what I've heard from alot of research you can't. They're mostly use with an isolator and an agm starting battery. The titan8 has a burst discharge but I wouldn't recommend using it for the 300+ amp discharge that a starter has. And titan8s/ lithiums don't like to be continuously charged.
I'm looking to purchase either Limitless or Underground Power. The price for Underground Power is great compared to Limitless. You get more ah for your money. I do like the size of Limitless. Only problem is for what you spend, you can get almost double ah's with Underground Power.
@@jeffschultz1190, I would love to, but a man 's got to know his limitations. Building this is above my skill level. I don't know the first thing to do it safely.
@@62dobie just start watching videos on lto building. It’s super easy, and you can buy kits for it as well. Trust me, it’s easy to learn, and you could do it. That’s a fact, also will save so much money and get such a better product,
Thanks for this vid, alot of good information. From what I'm understanding, I would probably not be able to run a 6.0 as my main battery for my set up in my Slingshot(3 Skar RP-150.4s, and 1 RP-1500.1 on a Singer alt and Vmax battery) as the battery is exposed to the elements under and behind the drivers seat in its factory location. But I don't have enough room for the XS that is made for that application. how sealed wound a enclosure need to be for the battery? Are we talking completely water tight? I'm sure I could fab something up out of abs but I'd be weary of how waterproof I could get it.
So none of these litium have any form of protection circuit? No charge controlled? Just raw cells charged by your alternator? I have a lifepo4 its has a charge controller, discharge 100ah and charge at 100ah and fast discharge it charging and they heat up, your batteries can handle 400amp alternator charging it indefinitely? How is that possible? Any lith battery overcharged is proned for explosion. What is the c rating of these batteries? How is the lto6 able to be run with agm? Is there battery isolators used? If i have a mechnan 400amp alt and those wayong i yhink you said (the 2.3v 40ah batreries in a 5p5s configuration. And im driving my grandma's to a resort 4hours away, my grandma hates loud music so i have my radio off. What keeps my battery bank from exploding after 30 minutes? 400amp alt pumpung into a 200amp bank. Means I've got 7 times the amount of power those batteries can hold being linked into them over a4 hour period. Save nothing draining if those extra amps.. no regulator needed, charge controller? This is opposite of everything i know about batteries
I have a 2023 dodge challenger gt I’m try to run xs power 6500 but I want to run the titan 8 but I don’t know what size tho I have a sundown audio 3500 with 2 12s of sundown audio SA what should I do JP
🔴Question 1. Should the D4S LTO 6.0 run directly from my alternator or from my front battery (lead acid or agm) Question 2. D4S LTO 6.0 recommends 3,000 to 5,000 watts, does this mean i can not use it for a 2,000 watt amp. Question 3. Because the ah of the D4S LTO 6.0 is so small does that mean it should only run your system while the engine is running
I was told that lithium will require dc to dc charger this is to ensure the lithium battery and alternator lasts longer.. I hv an agm battery under the hood, can i directly install lithium in parallel with my hood battery with an isolator in between them ( without the use of a dc - dc charger for lithium)
How reliable is that little d4s lithium bat? I'm between that and the titan 8. I've been told the d4s one isn't good and can catch fire. I would like the d4s just cause it's a little cheaper but I don't know anything about the reliability of it.
Weight.... I would need (10x) 50lbs agm batteries to even come close to the output of a 50lb lithium bank . So weight savings and space saving are 2 of the biggest pros . The con is that as fast as it gives out the power it will drain just as fast but if you have alot of alternator power it would charge back up almost just as fast . Kind of like having a shit ton of super capacitors and a little bit of reserve capacity as well all in one battery . AGMs are just a lot of reserve capacity but you can only get a small amount at a time instead of just one big rush and AGMs also take way longer to charge back up . My voltage on 3 agms would drop from 14.8 to 12.3 volts with a high output alternator when I would go full tilt and charge back up in about 30ish seconds. With 80ah of LTO lithium I don't drop below 15.38 and I charge at 15.48 .When it does drop, it recovers within the blink of an eye after bass changes frequencies or stops between beats .
I have a 2014 Mazda cx 5 with a stock 100 amp alt only putting out around 13.8v at idle,drops to around 12 once the bass hits,is it ok to use the titan 8 battery for 12v?
Do yourself a favor and just don't run any battery of any sort under the hood and you will get longer life period. Under the hood is a utterly horrendous environment to live in.
@@bigkato3134 Where are you getting 30k cycles? If done right we don't worry about cycles.You say all other LifePo4, "all other" is non existent unless you are refering to manufactures. as if its not LifePo4, well it is not LPF. LTO is the most safe? The safest chemistry I would argue (Which I do not need to as its proven) that LifePo4 is the winner there, Easiest, Cleanest and no alterations to a vehicles stock electrical system even your stock battery can stay with no isolator needed and can bring a LifePo4 down to 100% DoD and bounce back however not recommended. LTO is a young pup so their life claims are speculation (which really they all are but LTO is a very new chemistry) and all BS anyway as too many factors. "cycle life" is also meaning that the battery no longer is able reach above 70 or 80% capacity, which will still work splendid for us in car audio.
@@lowhertzhighspl agms are meant to go as a normal battery replacement, lithium batteries are meant for car audio so theyre more likely to be abused or used improperly, im guessing thats the reason
Does the (red) charger light for the lithium 6.0 turn green when it’s done charging? And also what is the 2 little fuse things that come in the charger box?
Built a 32ah bank of 38120 HEADWAY cells a year ago for car audio and works great. Pretty save and reliable for pushing only about 3k watts. Can anybody compare the XSpower and D4S LTO packs to the bank I've built? I considered both before building the one I have now because there wasn't much available information on either product being they were just realeased at the time.
LTO banks are higher voltage, you are limited to 14.8 charge, but I suggest 14.6 max. You can also use a AGM under hood as the headway(LifePo4) will play well and headway which is LifePo4 is harder to kill and much more forgiving. If you are looking to upgrade or have any qualms with your electrical, I suggest a bank of caps, 500F(6 3000F cells) will do very well for you. *Edit- I said lead acid, you can use a wet cell battery with LifePo4 however I strongly suggest a isolator relay. AGM there is no need.
@@commonsenseisdeadin2024 actually I have heard several people running headway + agm say that when they disconnected the agm they got better voltage-less drop.
@@LowetheTechGuy I would question their batteries health for sure. I have a group 49 stock ( close to group 31) so I am taking full advantage of that 😂 but I would only see gaining only if the AGM has high resistance and pulling the headway down.
@@commonsenseisdeadin2024 yeah that’s because the AGM pulls the voltage of headways down to that of the AGM, it defeats the purpose of running a lithium altogether
The answer is you can never have to many but I would say with the alternator you have 2. Under the hood you can run what ever I would do a x2 power agm they are sold by batteries and bulbs and made by northstar but at a cheaper price. Also if you are local to them the warranty is a swap out. Size depends on vehicle.
@@OnlySubzz mind diving a tad bit deeper on this topic? I'm currently looking to get the same amplifier but 2 of them.. gonna pair them up to 2 400amp mechman alts.. so that's roughly 16k watts but I'm looking to run a high 14.8v+ system. how many do you think I need to sustain this? and do you recommend LiFeP04, LTO, or AGM??
CMAX are designed to be used by a big automobile manufacturer in electric vehicles WITH A CUSTOM TAILORED BMS. all the big electric car manufacturers are using NMC or other very energy dense li-on chemistries (for the most part, Tesla has been known to use LFP but not as much as the more traditional "li-on" cells) essentially it boils down to this.. some chemistries are way more energy dense but are worse at thermal runaway... LTO is NOT very energy dense but is very safe and has very high charge/discharge rates... 99.999999% of car audio users DO NOT use a BMS in their battery pack which is only OK to do with LTO and LFP unless you realllllllly know what you are doing and monitor your pack and all its cells like a hawk. And most people dont... most people dont even have basic understanding of how an electrical circuit works they are simply copying something they read online.. and boom fire. thats all folks have a good day.. Queue comments *now* about how you are a expert battery engineer because you read on facebook how to properly use CMAX.. NEWSFLASH CMAX cells were engineered to be used WITH A BMS and NOT WITHOUT!!! - also to all the people saying D4s and XS power are overcharging their 5s LTO... XS power sells a 6s LTO pack so buy that if youre really that concerned.. but for real LTO can be abused like a mofo.. all youre going to do is shorten its life it aint catching on fire so who cares??
how long lithium and super caps can last? 5? 10? 15 year? because lithium is the most expensive battery. lead acid battery can last about 3 year +/-. how about lithium?
Cut-off discharge is 1.5 and maximum charge 2.7 in a 6 cell setup 9v-16.2v the battery preform better between 80-90 percent state of charge 14.4-15.4 I have 120ah on 10k powerus I don't drop under 14.6 playing full tilt when in demoing I charge 16.2 and I don't drop under 15.6
These batteries cannot stand extreme heat or cold so unless you plan on maintaining these batteries like inside outside storage just go AGM or ultra caps.
I been running Lto lithium 3 year now never had a problem I live in cold ass Chicago it was 5 degrees today and the windchill was -20 and my car cranked up like a champ my voltage was still resting at 15.2 I haven't driven the car over a week
@@bigkato3134, good to know. I'm in Washington State. It gets below 0 degrees. Not often. But it stays in the low teens often. I'm just about to make the switch.
Isolate them. Lithium will charge to almost 13+ while the agm will only go to 12.8 while sitting so it causes some problems. But while the engines running it should be fine
You're comparing a Military AGM? to 96AH of Lithium??? As retired Army, that sounds like something you have to prove to say! At least make a link to where we all can see the battery and its ratings you are talking about thx.
I don't completely understand the question, but your voltage will always go up while driving. A smaller pully on your alternator will make your voltage higher at idle.
Only thing I recommend is a higher output alternator. The only reason it drops is cause your idle amps coming out of your alternator isn't enough to keep up with your system. Also no matter what you're always gonna have a little drop cause your batterys get full while driving then when you idle they run out cause your alternator can't keep up with the drain. Just get an alternator rated at idle for what amperage your system uses and you shouldn't be disappointed. Don't forget a big 3/4 also
I’m just starting my build I have 2 15s on a 3k tramps with 1/0 wire I don’t know how it’s going to preform yet and the voltage it’s going to be on stock battery stock alt going to turn down the amp to sit stable and then start getting agm or titan 8 for under the hood and looking at building a lithium bank but Idk ab all the things ab it so could I run a titan 8 with xs power cells or would be better to get like 2 6.0 batterys and have a titan 8 under the hood I’m new to car audio but love bass
Well i have 2 100ah agms in the trunck and a 60ah up front.Running a bass cleff 4k and a Crescendo Symphony 2k.I have a ces 320 alternator.Thinking of ditching the rear agms and getting the titan 8 s5.I live in Canada so it gets very cold.Anyone know how it would compare to the agms.Will the cold effect it.I would run the titan and the front agm with no isolator.Wondering if this would work.Thanks guys.
I watch this video as i am legitimately building a 45ah cmax bank. I would love to see these constant sightings of vehicles burning? from it, I am not calling you a liar I just do not see nor hear about them anymore, the whole thing as i have personally seen is result of the rumor mill doing what it do best and overreact Also NMC chemistry is not all one in the same. Cmax has a tarnished rep, insight which is identical as they are both panasonic made doesn't have the inherited " personality trait" that of cmax. Also 2 versions of cmax 5ah and 25ah cells are not the same, the C ratings are vastly different and 25Ah usually will not be a good choice typically for those who want to run cmax. any and every diy builder should be knowledgeable.
I looked in to cmax a bunch before going LTO. What made up my mind was the lack of availability of quality cells, the bus bars are way too expensive (for the good ones) and the way they must be compressed was just a few then you have guys making videos of puncturing the cells and volcano like reactions, unlike LTO if punctured them and nothing, nada, zip. I'm not putting you down bro I'm just talking to a fellow bass brother, and it sounds like you know a LOT more than I do and know the differences in Panasonic/cmax and what cells to use, I wish you the best God bless!
@@scottiffanimccord1509 the safest is LifePo4 (LFP) as well as the most fool proof (not fully nothing is), LTO is safe too but much easier to kill cells. Cmax is dangerous, absolutely, and I would never trust just letting a rookie run it. However it still has a tarnished name because idiots either used the wrong cells or not enough cells with very poor or no compression (casing) on top of it. It's a powerful cell and ran by many people with no issue whatsoever and I've yet to see a halfway decent compressed pack in the failed photos. I don't recommend Cmax to anyone as who asks don't know, i always recommend red headway cell if any. I just hate the misinformation surrounding it. lithium is a huge factor moving forwards, not just in audio but everything. I think everyone should be informed and educated in all types of Li-Ion and Li-Po. Most do not understand that last sentence yet every laptop, phone, any electronic wireless device has the potential or the ability to catch fire and explode. Charging is when all batteries are the most dangerous. Bass on!
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I run 4 D4S lto backed up by mechman alt. Voltage stays solid.
When hooking it up do i need to run a power from the 6.0 to regular battery upfront
@@GotALeakilltakeAPeak I have an isolator in between my front battery and lto. That’s because, I have an agm under the hood.
How many watts of power do you have amplifier
So how do you charge those extra batteries
Can you delete the front battery?
I’m running a bank of death bounce lfp-300p. I was kinda disappointed that you do didn’t mention these batteries. Best lithium in the business!!
I'm glad you have that DB lfp-300p. Just curious how does it hold up what kind of alternator do you run? I was thinking about getting the same.
I don't mind spending my money here! Keep keeping it Real!!!!
I’ve missed the boat on all this Lithium stuff.
I have an 80a alt, Northstar group 24f AGM up front and a single XS Power Titan8 PWR S5 on a Sundown 200.4 and a Deaf Bonce 7900.1. Holds around 12.4v full tilt for a full song before she starts fading.
Yiu need a isolater using agm with the titan lithium. I have a xsd3100 under my hood and wNt to put a lithium next to my amp
In my work/ Daily I'm running a stock 150a alt that powers a group 24f
AGM under the hood and a D4S LTO 6.0 with a D4S Super capacitor 500 Farads bank.
I’ve been watching for years I love the work
Thanks for the knowledge JP
but some of these viewers questions & comments lead me to think there's a car bbq in their future. A man's gots to know his limitations.
Running xs d3400 up front and two ioxus Ultra Cap banks in the back for two jp23s strapped with a jp234 and a mechman 370.
Nice setup. ✌️
Pushing what ?? zv5s?
Right now running two 15 inch emf banhammer v1. Soon getting two emf banhammer 15 v2s. Waiting on preorder.
Lto is good. 10c rating means 10x a discharge. Got myself a 650ah unit
650ah?
@@lowhertzhighspl gonna be 960
6.0 is great BUT it does not have enough storage capacity for good long loud sessions, dont get me wrong they definitely have their place in the car audio industry but its more or less a juiced up capacitor. Not hate all love💙
Bc it’s only 5cells🤣
Oh thank you for not telling us the battery not to buy
Just look up safest type of lithium tests
which lithium type are you talking about to not use, LiFePO4? 18650s?
I love your videos my friend. I have four rockford fosgate t2 16 inch subs at 1ohm two t2500-1bdcp amps and one 320amp alternator for now. What kind of audio batteries should I get for my system?
I run headway lithium,about 650 amp hours and it's 12volt system.
You are running a total of roughly 324 cells? so a 4S81P "bank" essentially? Sure you are not mistaken and run 64Ah in a 4S8P configuration with a total of 32 cells?
@@commonsenseisdeadin2024 12 packs of 32 cell per pack 64 amp hours per pack
@@moabs10blowthru41 total of 384 cells, 780Ah and have it in a configuration of 4s8p and have 12 4s8p banks? What are you running my guy? I run 5k Watts on 4s4p(32Ah) and a 500F cap bank, stock 150A alt and stock group 94 agm under the hood. Drop 13.9 to 13.7 full tilt for about a song then I'll drop to 13.4 into the end of the 3rd and lowest I've seen ever is 13.1 after a while only at idle(roughly 30 min). Driving down the freeway i pretty much stay 13.9 maybe see 13.7 if its a chaos song. Granted yes only 5k and only 145db but it's in my daily.
My build i have 90Ah Cmax going on a taramps md12k or a dc 10.0k(i have a few amps) on 2 15 NSv3s, charge at 15.5v on a 370 and I'm going to probably add another 370 cause why not, I'll build it and the bracket myself so wont cost much.
@@commonsenseisdeadin2024 running two EMF 12ks on 4 X15s with two 370 elites
@@moabs10blowthru41 well there's no way you're dropping
I have a question, I recently purchased two LTO's, my plan was to replace a Cyber 12k V1 I bought brand new about 3 years ago. I've asked this question already in other places I want to see if a get some other thoughts. Can I mix the two chemistry's, or better yet can I mix the two LTO'S with my Cyber 12k? I did a bttery delete, under the hood I have a XS power sb500-34.
Can I run the D4S LTO 6.0 in the trunk with the Titan 8 under the hood ? Since they are both LTO ?
Have 5 XsPower D3100 with a Mechman 320A
Can I run a xs power battery as my main battery then run it back to a lithium battery then to my amp?
Yes.
Yes
The answer to your question is a bit more complicated, and requires a more detailed explanation.
So long as it is a lithium titanate battery (LTO), yes. Lithium Iron Phosphate (LiFePo4) shouldn’t be mixed without using a battery isolator.
Great information thanks JP
I got 128 ah of headway lithium with an auto tec alt 370 on a 12k @.5 ohm
Aren't your D4S banks overcharged?
Got 1 oddesey agm plated battery under the hood and a optima red top in the back trunk both connected together
I know I spent over 4k on agms a year ago... wishing I had done lithium I feel so outdated
Only difference is the weight agm is heavy but juice is juice!
220ah LTO CES, 2 270 CES, building for 8 Nsv3 Retro 18’s, have 1 SALT 12k and buying another soon!
Can I replace my UPS battery with that battery, for more capacity? I have a 600 watts UPS in which I have my computer, 2 monitors and the router plug in. Can I use that battery? Thank you for your time and assistance!
Don’t let your Hooptie burn down, buy your batteries from John, lol
I got a zv6 12 d1 and a rp4500 at .05ohm and 96ahr headway
Are you talking about CMAX catching on fire?
yes... good cells but people like to use wood compression
@@loganmilam4065 I just bought 125ah cmax. And it’s in a wood box. Getting it out of there and compressing then the right way.
I'm running a Hifonocs Brutus BRX3016.1D amp (Bass) & a Pyle PLA2840 amp (mids/highs). I am running an Optima Red Top battery. What do you recommend the battery best fit to run?
What ever became of the limitless lithium battery you set on fire at the sky high show. any word on when those will be available
Can you use the Titan 8 lithium battery to replace your factory battery under the hood? Or is it a secondary supplemental battery for under the hood?
As far as I know you can, just go with the 12v one. ✌️❤️
From what I've heard from alot of research you can't. They're mostly use with an isolator and an agm starting battery. The titan8 has a burst discharge but I wouldn't recommend using it for the 300+ amp discharge that a starter has. And titan8s/ lithiums don't like to be continuously charged.
@@carter4627 where was that info @?
How r u JP, just wanted to know when u gonna upgraded the Web-Site. It looks a little outdated.
Question can you connect this lto 6.0 with a Xspower 6500 AGM battery togther in the trunk as secondary batteries?
Definitely need the d4s lto 6.0
Lithium batteries get damaged quickly in the cold. So up in WI where it's currently ‐4 it would be a bad purchase.
They make space heaters for a reason and cab heaters to
Can i run the titan 8 with the d4s lto ?
Lto for the win. I wish I had lithium but I have 3 energie. 2 ER 2400s and 1 PR 2400
I'm looking to purchase either Limitless or Underground Power. The price for Underground Power is great compared to Limitless. You get more ah for your money. I do like the size of Limitless. Only problem is for what you spend, you can get almost double ah's with Underground Power.
Both trash, do diy LTO, safest, strongest, and easiest battery you can do.
@@jeffschultz1190, I would love to, but a man 's got to know his limitations. Building this is above my skill level. I don't know the first thing to do it safely.
@@62dobie just start watching videos on lto building. It’s super easy, and you can buy kits for it as well. Trust me, it’s easy to learn, and you could do it. That’s a fact, also will save so much money and get such a better product,
@@jeffschultz1190, I'm willing to learn and try. O just don't want to burn down my new car. 😁
The ces 40 ah and 80 ah lto batteries are good options. I’m running the 40 ah
pwr5 runs a Korean 2k on stock alt with no drop at all full tilt.
Where’s the Limitless?
I bought the Limitless lithium Cyber12 from you guys...
How do I like it I just bought one?
I think he was referring to cmax.
What battery?
Thanks for this vid, alot of good information. From what I'm understanding, I would probably not be able to run a 6.0 as my main battery for my set up in my Slingshot(3 Skar RP-150.4s, and 1 RP-1500.1 on a Singer alt and Vmax battery) as the battery is exposed to the elements under and behind the drivers seat in its factory location. But I don't have enough room for the XS that is made for that application. how sealed wound a enclosure need to be for the battery? Are we talking completely water tight? I'm sure I could fab something up out of abs but I'd be weary of how waterproof I could get it.
They have sizes for every car, you just need to cross reference your vehicle battery type with the lithium replacement.
My electrical is a Titan 8 w/ a Mechman 320
So none of these litium have any form of protection circuit? No charge controlled? Just raw cells charged by your alternator? I have a lifepo4 its has a charge controller, discharge 100ah and charge at 100ah and fast discharge it charging and they heat up, your batteries can handle 400amp alternator charging it indefinitely? How is that possible? Any lith battery overcharged is proned for explosion. What is the c rating of these batteries? How is the lto6 able to be run with agm? Is there battery isolators used? If i have a mechnan 400amp alt and those wayong i yhink you said (the 2.3v 40ah batreries in a 5p5s configuration. And im driving my grandma's to a resort 4hours away, my grandma hates loud music so i have my radio off. What keeps my battery bank from exploding after 30 minutes? 400amp alt pumpung into a 200amp bank. Means I've got 7 times the amount of power those batteries can hold being linked into them over a4 hour period. Save nothing draining if those extra amps.. no regulator needed, charge controller? This is opposite of everything i know about batteries
I have a 2023 dodge challenger gt I’m try to run xs power 6500 but I want to run the titan 8 but I don’t know what size tho I have a sundown audio 3500 with 2 12s of sundown audio SA what should I do JP
🔴Question 1. Should the D4S LTO 6.0 run directly from my alternator or from my front battery (lead acid or agm)
Question 2. D4S LTO 6.0 recommends 3,000 to 5,000 watts, does this mean i can not use it for a 2,000 watt amp.
Question 3. Because the ah of the D4S LTO 6.0 is so small does that mean it should only run your system while the
engine is running
I’m using limitless lithium 15 ah with stock alt running 2000 rms no sweat.
did you replace your vehicles battery with the limitless 15ah battery?
@@ZackyesRno no. I just added as a secondary battery. I don’t think these are safe under the hood.
I'm running 6k limitless lithium in my build
I was told that lithium will require dc to dc charger this is to ensure the lithium battery and alternator lasts longer..
I hv an agm battery under the hood, can i directly install lithium in parallel with my hood battery with an isolator in between them ( without the use of a dc - dc charger for lithium)
What’s the best battery for a 2022 Ryker rally canam
Im running the winston lithium battery lt-lfp 300p
How reliable is that little d4s lithium bat? I'm between that and the titan 8. I've been told the d4s one isn't good and can catch fire. I would like the d4s just cause it's a little cheaper but I don't know anything about the reliability of it.
How often you need to charge it??
Why Lithium and not AGM battery? Is their a big difference between the two technologies?
Weight.... I would need (10x) 50lbs agm batteries to even come close to the output of a 50lb lithium bank . So weight savings and space saving are 2 of the biggest pros . The con is that as fast as it gives out the power it will drain just as fast but if you have alot of alternator power it would charge back up almost just as fast . Kind of like having a shit ton of super capacitors and a little bit of reserve capacity as well all in one battery . AGMs are just a lot of reserve capacity but you can only get a small amount at a time instead of just one big rush and AGMs also take way longer to charge back up . My voltage on 3 agms would drop from 14.8 to 12.3 volts with a high output alternator when I would go full tilt and charge back up in about 30ish seconds. With 80ah of LTO lithium I don't drop below 15.38 and I charge at 15.48 .When it does drop, it recovers within the blink of an eye after bass changes frequencies or stops between beats .
Soo i can run a yellow top battery in the front along with this LTO battery in the back with my amps without any trouble?
So you're saying LiFePo batteries are bad?
Where can I find some brackets for my 2003 Ford expedition to add alternators
dancing! Really need to know what battery I can put under my hood and make it I'm the summer in Phoenix.
Xs d3400 they have top or side panels
Can I run one in my Prius
I have a 2014 Mazda cx 5 with a stock 100 amp alt only putting out around 13.8v at idle,drops to around 12 once the bass hits,is it ok to use the titan 8 battery for 12v?
Yes they have a 12/14/16 volts models.
@@anthonyicenhour8046 can I have this as my primary battery under the hood?
So a battery like the titan 8 that is designed to be used under the hood, how long should this last if maintained correctly?
30,000 cycles =30 year Lto lithium last l 10-15 times longer than all other lifep04 lithium and it the most safest
Only a 1 yr warranty whereas their AGMs came with a 3 yr Although LTO is expected to last way longer. Odd.
Do yourself a favor and just don't run any battery of any sort under the hood and you will get longer life period. Under the hood is a utterly horrendous environment to live in.
@@bigkato3134 Where are you getting 30k cycles? If done right we don't worry about cycles.You say all other LifePo4, "all other" is non existent unless you are refering to manufactures. as if its not LifePo4, well it is not LPF. LTO is the most safe? The safest chemistry I would argue (Which I do not need to as its proven) that LifePo4 is the winner there, Easiest, Cleanest and no alterations to a vehicles stock electrical system even your stock battery can stay with no isolator needed and can bring a LifePo4 down to 100% DoD and bounce back however not recommended. LTO is a young pup so their life claims are speculation (which really they all are but LTO is a very new chemistry) and all BS anyway as too many factors. "cycle life" is also meaning that the battery no longer is able reach above 70 or 80% capacity, which will still work splendid for us in car audio.
@@lowhertzhighspl agms are meant to go as a normal battery replacement, lithium batteries are meant for car audio so theyre more likely to be abused or used improperly, im guessing thats the reason
Could I run that titan 8 with a cyber 12k battery ?
I have 2 D4S Lto in trunk. Can i add titan8 under hood?
Does the (red) charger light for the lithium 6.0 turn green when it’s done charging? And also what is the 2 little fuse things that come in the charger box?
I have a 12v agm up front. And a 12k Brand X as my 2nd battery. I need a better way to keep it charged at 15v. It's frustrating.
Built a 32ah bank of 38120 HEADWAY cells a year ago for car audio and works great. Pretty save and reliable for pushing only about 3k watts. Can anybody compare the XSpower and D4S LTO packs to the bank I've built? I considered both before building the one I have now because there wasn't much available information on either product being they were just realeased at the time.
LTO banks are higher voltage, you are limited to 14.8 charge, but I suggest 14.6 max. You can also use a AGM under hood as the headway(LifePo4) will play well and headway which is LifePo4 is harder to kill and much more forgiving. If you are looking to upgrade or have any qualms with your electrical, I suggest a bank of caps, 500F(6 3000F cells) will do very well for you.
*Edit- I said lead acid, you can use a wet cell battery with LifePo4 however I strongly suggest a isolator relay. AGM there is no need.
@@commonsenseisdeadin2024 actually I have heard several people running headway + agm say that when they disconnected the agm they got better voltage-less drop.
@@LowetheTechGuy I would question their batteries health for sure. I have a group 49 stock ( close to group 31) so I am taking full advantage of that 😂 but I would only see gaining only if the AGM has high resistance and pulling the headway down.
@@commonsenseisdeadin2024 makes sense
@@commonsenseisdeadin2024 yeah that’s because the AGM pulls the voltage of headways down to that of the AGM, it defeats the purpose of running a lithium altogether
80ah headway on a iraggi 320 powering 8k
(10)D4S LTO 6.0’s on (4)Sundown Salt 4k’s
How’s it holding?
got a Mechman 370, how many 6.0 would i need for the JP83? Also what should I go with under the hood?
The answer is you can never have to many but I would say with the alternator you have 2. Under the hood you can run what ever I would do a x2 power agm they are sold by batteries and bulbs and made by northstar but at a cheaper price. Also if you are local to them the warranty is a swap out. Size depends on vehicle.
@@OnlySubzz mind diving a tad bit deeper on this topic? I'm currently looking to get the same amplifier but 2 of them.. gonna pair them up to 2 400amp mechman alts.. so that's roughly 16k watts but I'm looking to run a high 14.8v+ system. how many do you think I need to sustain this? and do you recommend LiFeP04, LTO, or AGM??
Get the jp40 and delete the under hood battery.
@@kkiidd77 Get the jp40 and cut out the need to buy a ton of batteries
CMAX are designed to be used by a big automobile manufacturer in electric vehicles WITH A CUSTOM TAILORED BMS. all the big electric car manufacturers are using NMC or other very energy dense li-on chemistries (for the most part, Tesla has been known to use LFP but not as much as the more traditional "li-on" cells) essentially it boils down to this.. some chemistries are way more energy dense but are worse at thermal runaway... LTO is NOT very energy dense but is very safe and has very high charge/discharge rates... 99.999999% of car audio users DO NOT use a BMS in their battery pack which is only OK to do with LTO and LFP unless you realllllllly know what you are doing and monitor your pack and all its cells like a hawk. And most people dont... most people dont even have basic understanding of how an electrical circuit works they are simply copying something they read online.. and boom fire. thats all folks have a good day.. Queue comments *now* about how you are a expert battery engineer because you read on facebook how to properly use CMAX.. NEWSFLASH CMAX cells were engineered to be used WITH A BMS and NOT WITHOUT!!! - also to all the people saying D4s and XS power are overcharging their 5s LTO... XS power sells a 6s LTO pack so buy that if youre really that concerned.. but for real LTO can be abused like a mofo.. all youre going to do is shorten its life it aint catching on fire so who cares??
JY80 = 🔥
What cells are in JY80 ?
@@JohnG1000 LiFePO4 I believe
how long lithium and super caps can last? 5? 10? 15 year? because lithium is the most expensive battery. lead acid battery can last about 3 year +/-. how about lithium?
What's the fully charged voltage on one of those lto 2.3v cells ?
Cut-off discharge is 1.5 and maximum charge 2.7 in a 6 cell setup 9v-16.2v the battery preform better between 80-90 percent state of charge 14.4-15.4 I have 120ah on 10k powerus I don't drop under 14.6 playing full tilt when in demoing I charge 16.2 and I don't drop under 15.6
These batteries cannot stand extreme heat or cold so unless you plan on maintaining these batteries like inside outside storage just go AGM or ultra caps.
-58°Fahrenheit to +148°Fahrenheit seems pretty extreme to me 🤔
I been running Lto lithium 3 year now never had a problem I live in cold ass Chicago it was 5 degrees today and the windchill was -20 and my car cranked up like a champ my voltage was still resting at 15.2 I haven't driven the car over a week
@@bigkato3134, good to know. I'm in Washington State. It gets below 0 degrees. Not often. But it stays in the low teens often. I'm just about to make the switch.
Just what I needed to know
stop stating false stuff bro not coo , to lto d4s owners .
Lishen 18ah 2.5v cells.
Best to stick with agm
its cmax lol, im repping a 90ah at 15.8v
That cmax voltage is beast.
@@dabeardsmen3621 you just gotta treat them right
But can you run the titan 8 with agm batteries
Isolate them. Lithium will charge to almost 13+ while the agm will only go to 12.8 while sitting so it causes some problems. But while the engines running it should be fine
But do Any of them fit in a group 75 slot? I like the ability to keep under the hood.
What kind of car
@@juniorstws 2000 gmc jimmy
Idk if it’ll work for u my car is a 75 but took a 78 optima yellow top
I have the cyber 12k
The jy catches on fire its not in a tough shell
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thats so old
The infamous mustache....JY
Idk bro i got a military AGM that can hang with my 96ah headway bank i promise
You're comparing a Military AGM? to 96AH of Lithium??? As retired Army, that sounds like something you have to prove to say! At least make a link to where we all can see the battery and its ratings you are talking about thx.
What battery is J.P. talking about that catches your car on fire I would like to know so I don’t buy it.
i have a xs power 3400 for main and a limitless 12k for amps. At idle 13.6 volts but driving goes up to 14.6. What can i do to keep voltage the same?
From what I’ve heard an Isolator, or do a battery delete and run on Lithium only
I don't completely understand the question, but your voltage will always go up while driving. A smaller pully on your alternator will make your voltage higher at idle.
@@ditto_75 exactly it happens all the time no matter the battery.
Only thing I recommend is a higher output alternator. The only reason it drops is cause your idle amps coming out of your alternator isn't enough to keep up with your system. Also no matter what you're always gonna have a little drop cause your batterys get full while driving then when you idle they run out cause your alternator can't keep up with the drain. Just get an alternator rated at idle for what amperage your system uses and you shouldn't be disappointed. Don't forget a big 3/4 also
Alfredo! What Josh Burts said is the best answer to your question!!!
So what's this I hear about the D4S LTO 6.0's catching on fire? Was this an isolated case or the norm for this battery?
Would be great if D4S would comment on this to educate us on this question.
CMAX CMAX CMAX CMAX BURN BABY BURN - *Queue hater comments* about how you are a battery engineer and know how to safely use it.. starting NOW!
I don’t think technology was the word you were looking for JP, I think you were looking for chemistries. Not trying to be a smart ass. Honestly.
I’m just starting my build I have 2 15s on a 3k tramps with 1/0 wire I don’t know how it’s going to preform yet and the voltage it’s going to be on stock battery stock alt going to turn down the amp to sit stable and then start getting agm or titan 8 for under the hood and looking at building a lithium bank but Idk ab all the things ab it so could I run a titan 8 with xs power cells or would be better to get like 2 6.0 batterys and have a titan 8 under the hood I’m new to car audio but love bass
Upgrade the alternator. Do a big 3 and get the titan 8. You should be good with that.
Well i have 2 100ah agms in the trunck and a 60ah up front.Running a bass cleff 4k and a Crescendo Symphony 2k.I have a ces 320 alternator.Thinking of ditching the rear agms and getting the titan 8 s5.I live in Canada so it gets very cold.Anyone know how it would compare to the agms.Will the cold effect it.I would run the titan and the front agm with no isolator.Wondering if this would work.Thanks guys.
10 banks of Yinglongs in my car
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bro called out cmax hard XDDD
Headway lithium
Some people cannot afford those expensive lithium batteries. AGM batteries are solid and budget friendly as well.
I watch this video as i am legitimately building a 45ah cmax bank. I would love to see these constant sightings of vehicles burning? from it, I am not calling you a liar I just do not see nor hear about them anymore, the whole thing as i have personally seen is result of the rumor mill doing what it do best and overreact Also NMC chemistry is not all one in the same. Cmax has a tarnished rep, insight which is identical as they are both panasonic made doesn't have the inherited " personality trait" that of cmax. Also 2 versions of cmax 5ah and 25ah cells are not the same, the C ratings are vastly different and 25Ah usually will not be a good choice typically for those who want to run cmax. any and every diy builder should be knowledgeable.
I looked in to cmax a bunch before going LTO. What made up my mind was the lack of availability of quality cells, the bus bars are way too expensive (for the good ones) and the way they must be compressed was just a few then you have guys making videos of puncturing the cells and volcano like reactions, unlike LTO if punctured them and nothing, nada, zip. I'm not putting you down bro I'm just talking to a fellow bass brother, and it sounds like you know a LOT more than I do and know the differences in Panasonic/cmax and what cells to use, I wish you the best God bless!
@@scottiffanimccord1509 the safest is LifePo4 (LFP) as well as the most fool proof (not fully nothing is), LTO is safe too but much easier to kill cells. Cmax is dangerous, absolutely, and I would never trust just letting a rookie run it. However it still has a tarnished name because idiots either used the wrong cells or not enough cells with very poor or no compression (casing) on top of it. It's a powerful cell and ran by many people with no issue whatsoever and I've yet to see a halfway decent compressed pack in the failed photos. I don't recommend Cmax to anyone as who asks don't know, i always recommend red headway cell if any. I just hate the misinformation surrounding it. lithium is a huge factor moving forwards, not just in audio but everything. I think everyone should be informed and educated in all types of Li-Ion and Li-Po. Most do not understand that last sentence yet every laptop, phone, any electronic wireless device has the potential or the ability to catch fire and explode.
Charging is when all batteries are the most dangerous.
Bass on!
@@commonsenseisdeadin2024 Thx bud
Cmax
Just build your own kids! Do some research