172 Rings You Can Never Collect in Sonic Adventure 2
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 21 พ.ย. 2020
- There's 172 rings you can never collect in Sonic Adventure 2... Which is quite a lot for one single level. So why are these rings inaccessible? Let's talk about that.
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White Jungle in Sonic Adventure 2 has an absurdly high ring count that players can never actually reach. At best, we can only get around half of them. So what gives? Well apparently there's a whole world hidden above the stage that was left behind... Well, more so scraps of a world were left behind. This is mystery of White Jungle's lost rings, so I hope you enjoy!
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Credits and sources:
Thumbnail Sonic render by Nibroc Rock.
Written by SwankyBox.
Filming and editing by Stowgee and SwankyBox.
Original documentation by SPEEPSHighway and Irregular Zero.
Music credits:
Songs from various Sonic OST's
"Chao Garden" - Sonic Adventure 2: Battle
"Mystic Cave Classic Remix" - Sonic Generations - เกม
I guess this level could also be named,
"Shadow and the Secret Rings" *ba dum tisk*
Aigh, time to hang myself
Me to
Isnt it sonic and the secret rings?
You can put this in r/wooosh if you want
@@mewxtherealitygod4706 no i don't think i will
@@BrandonBattleblade well prepare to be put on r/madlads.
Maybe that's where the 4th damn Chaos Emerald is, it all makes sense now.
Sega: Let's hide some Rings outside the death barrier to give completionists a hard time!
Completionist: I QUIT
I think it was more some executive going "What's all this tech doing in this jungle level? Get rid of it!"
But since moving things is easier and more stable than deleting, they just grabbed it all and shifted it out of bounds.
That or maybe it's a relic of an earlier stage design, or a different stage using the same assets not unloading properly.
perfectionists*
completetionists aren't anywhere near this insane.
@@PuffyBuffy25 clearly you haven’t seen Jirard’s Completionist video on Persona 5
(pops action replay disc in game)
I'm sitting your butt down to play some Classic Sonic games, Swankles; mark my word.
Hey charriii5!
Thoose words gotta be marked
What?
Ok
@@PoisonIvory088 SHUT UP
So Sonic and the secret rings was not the actual Sonic and the secret rings because these were the actual rings that were kept secret.
Can't believe sega would lie to us like that
Its sonic and the secret rings but your point still stands
Technically, this is a Shadow level.
So it's "Shadow and the Lost Rings"
Bruh
@@FanofGuardianTales actually the reason the rings are there is because its from a old layout for green forest a Sonic Level so the original comment is still accurate
Underrated
Funny how this level's theme has the lyrics "Oh yeah, hurry to the unexplored land" and there's so much stuff out of bounds from what I can only assume was either a very poor copy and paste job or the level brush being changed partway through...
Wait. I wonder if there is a demo or a prototype of this game, that has the "beta" pathway still intact.
It would be very nice to these artifacts of the past still in play.
Well there is the "Sonic Adventure 2 the trial" were this stage is present as a Shadow level but I dunno if that area exists. You can find it yourself if you want
@@EmanueleX Hah. Neat.
Me: [Downloads Zardy’s maze]
My anti virus software: [Removes it from my computer]
My anti virus software: No need to thank me
Me: Excuse me, What?
maybe it was trying to infect you with BS.exe useless data that does nothing :D Hence BS
I don’t think it wants to be scared
Anti virus can be rude.
I've been working on this for more than a decade now and got nowhere so far, but believe me, I got rings thought to be impossible in this game before, so don't get surprised when I figure these ones out as well.
I won't be able to get all of them, but I'll get at least the first 3
This brings back the memories
0:13 You can just sell an expensive item and reset the game. You’ll still have the item and the additional rings. Rinse and repeat.
Does that work on the Xbox version?
That title reminds of the 23 Coins No One Has Ever Obtained in Super Mario 3D Land, it’s similar in that it’s lost coins that are out of bounds
Seeing this game brings back so many memories
I miss childhood.
Nice
same :( i still play the game occasionally but itll never be the same as when i was a kid
0:02 You can see Sans' face on the left of your screen
Looks more like a generic cartoon skull to me
@@outofthecoral nah that’s sans alright
Sega creating Sans before Sans
Why did I bust out laughing
Perhaps it is possible that the stage for shadow and sonic are in the same worldspace to save data, some objects like ground are rendered invisible or null while the skybox and assets remain. It would make sense for such a large game using certain shortcuts for development time/storage space purposes. The best way to test such a thing would be to splice sonic's stage into shadow's across that area and see if all worldgen object files line up. It might even be possible sonic's stage when placed correctly was meant to be seen along side shadow's as an unfinished "race to the finish" type stage with the rings and enemies being left as an oversight when the stagedata map was deleted? Enemies and objects left around as ghost code as they werent parent/child to the map data and the like.
it's a lot more likely that white forest was just made by copying green jungle and working from there - having the already mostly-finished terrain would mean that the level designer could copy parts of the terrain and either use it as-is, or use it as a base for level geometry with the same aesthetic but a different overall shape. plus it would give 'em a pretty reliable reference for both the aesthetic, flow, and object layout
this wouldn't exactly be a surprise, either - it's a _very_ common method of making levels out of the same "tileset" when the devs are working with, well, things that aren't tilesets. it's so common, in fact, that you often hear the exact same story as to why there's mysterious objects floating in the void that happen to match up with another map's layout: because the layout _was_ there during development, but the level designer forgot to delete 'em when they deleted the reference level's geometry, and nobody caught 'em in testing because they're ... just floating in the void
And it's also likely the levels were prone to being shuffled around a lot due to being two of the three levels where the first mission is timed, so that would need to be taken into account when designing the level layout.
I don't know what it is about all the rings floating in midair leading to nowhere but I find that incredibly creepy
there is another strange area in the early game, a location in the city level with shadow. if you use moon jump you can just spot an area where there is an upgrade that cannot be reached, and an area shadow cannot get to. and yet it is there in the level.
3:51 "Ensign, set a course heading 251 mark 3, warp 6. Engage!"
I remember this driving me insane as a kid. I could not comprehend where I wasnt searching.
For those of you coming down to the comments section, I highly recommend watching SpeepsHighway if you're interested in cut, unused or prototype content in Sonic Adventure 1 and 2. They have a ton of videos on the subject, and they are all very cool!!
Thanks for this! This mystery used to really bother me as I tried to figure out why I never came close to the ring count.
seems even my favorite videogame still hides things from me I've not discovered. Thank you for showing me more SA2 stuff swanky!
the find the chao objective in City Escape was the easiest and quickest way to get a lot of rings. I remember just reaching the max amount of rings, completing the objective, then redoing it.
That's what I used to do as well. Also iron gate which is eggman's first level on hard mode is the easiest for farming chaos drives because within the first hallway and first room you encounter nearly 20 enemies and it takes all of maybe 20 or 30 seconds
Abstract thing in video game: exists
Swanky: allow me to introduce myself
You should do a video on Gex 3: Deep Cover Gecko. Theres 2 things you could cover:
1. These weird floating squares with photos on them. So far only 2 were found. 1 out of bounds and the other mysteriously appeared in a level during a speedrun.
2. The massive amount of cut levels from the prototype released. Only 1 the cut levels can be hacked into in the final release.
I've seen hidden rings in certain stages like Pyramid Cave, but nothing like this. Being someone also obsessed with these weird statistics, I really want to know how many other stages are like this, and try to work my way towards the PERFECT ring tally in each stage.
I've seen something similar in the multiplayer version of cosmic wall; in the background, if you use some super jump code, in the direction of the asteroids, i've seen what looks like the single player cosmic wall level, minus collision detail.
My guess is white jungle and green forest initially had very similar layouts but over time they got changed to what they are ingame and the spare assets were moved out of sight to save on time instead of just deleting them.
I thought this was going to go through and list all of the hidden and/or unobtainable rings in all the levels. White Jungle isn't the only one that has them. They're all over the place. Same with Sonic Adventure 1. I think it's a really common thing in games with collectables to remove unused objects by swapping them out with a collectable and moving them out of bounds instead of actually deleting it. Super Mario 64 does it a lot as well, having individual coins out of bounds.
Neat explanation! Thanks for uploading!
Ah, how I love watching content on the best 3d sonic ever, sonic adventure 2battle
My theory is they left the same stage for both shadow/sonic but changed the level layout a tad, for some reason? In doing so they accidentally left the rings for each others paths.
Good video! Shame that I already watched Speepshighway's video on this. Would love a bit more on stuff like this
I wish that Sega would authorize an official 3D game to be released with tons of secrets like this - but with legitimate, albeit obscure in-game means of reaching them.
Me watching this whilst farming rings in Sonic Adventure DX to raise the perfect Chao: pretty much go back to Chao garden every year.
Nice, now i can bet people they can't collect all rings in that stage and never lose
even more interesting than the coins in mario galaxy you couldn't collect either
This honestly really ticks me off! I've never been good the chaos emerald hunting levels and feel that it's primarily based on what. So I decided I would take my time with finding them and simply collect all the rings. Color may surprise when I got to the end of the mission only for the ring count to merely doubled because apparently the number of rings goes up if you dig up rings and it's specifically the physical ring on the ground and in capsules that you have to pick up.
That's really weird, and frustrating for completionists
Dame now i gotta brake out my game cube and start playing with my chao again
Reminds me of how in Sonic 2 you can't get a perfect bonus (the bonus for collecting all rings) in every stage, because some stages have rings in unreachable areas
I thought this was a Game Theory vid at first cause the thumbnail style XD
I see what you mean lol
Yes a sonic mistery video nice vid keep up the good work!!👍
I’m pretty sure the reason for this is that they directly copied green forest’s file for white jungle and just forgot to delete a few things.
you just need to open the console and type "sv_cheats 1" and "noclip"
I've never played this game and likely never will, but I still love hearing random trivia about it.
so mario,luigi's mansion and sonic all have impossible coins/rings tht we can never collect,this makes me wonder about other games,like banjo-kazooie and banjo-tooie,and crash bandicoot games,spyro and other collective games we have,you should do that swankybox,if anyone can figure that stuff out,it's you
I can only assume that some developer accidentally made a mistake with copy/paste in the level editor, and no one ever noticed.
Swanky and one of my alltime favorite game? Count me in.
That feeling when you grind the sonic and shadow final ark battles for 999 rings only to find out they didn't count. :
I can't remember , but I know Thier a mod that restores the lost paths and properly integrate them, I think it's a mod called white jungle alternative paths.
What a great topic for a video
Thanks guy!
How does this video not have WAY more views?! QUICK MAKE MORE SA2 VIDEOS, SWANKY!
The real white jungle mystery is why it's called white jungle if it's not white
Alright, you have to play the entire classic series, 100% (Including Mania).
Nice. Never knew this until now. Also, does anyone know exactly where the final ring in Radical Highway's first mission is? Cuz there's 330 rings in that mission but only 329 are available to collect and the final ring can't be collected without hacks or a GameShark. Does anyone know exactly where it is? Cuz I'd like to know if at all possible
Sonic Adventure 2 is great best sonic story ever did not know this fact until know intresting
Speak engleesh plaese
I don't recall how, but I did City Escape as a young child, and my cousin and I got to 999 rings before finishing. I even recall making an invisible chao, I have my handwritten book on how somewhere in storage in the basement.
Now I'm curious to see how this would vary on various different ports and versions of SA2. I remember watching a video about the Minus World in Super Mario Bros. being different across numerous versions, so I always wonder how such programming oddities similarly vary across their own ports.
So now it makes sense.
Interesting how they're way out there, never removed but just there. (Like other things.) I've never played Sonic Adventures 2 but it would have also made me wonder about that as well
Isn't White Jungle also the level with the oddly placed omochao on the same island as the goal ring, I've never understood why it was there since 1 of 2 ways onto that island pretty much launches you into the ring.
Wait, so nobody did ever collect all the rings in all SA2 levels? Imagine if there's some unlockable content by doing so but nobody has discovered it yet...
whoaa when i used to use action replay i discovered those too! :D
God I love these videos man. First Mario and now sonic adventure 2?? I subscribed to the right channel
Ever think about all the pain your character goes through when attempting glitches like this
Well I mean most videogame protagonists are incredibly powerful, I don't think running up against a wall would harm them that much.
I guess sega liked sonic more than shadow
This video reminds me of the other SwankyBox video, of the uncollected coins in Super Mario 3D Land
The comments are just fucking flooded with Sonic and the Secret Rings jokes lmao
Its sonics unloaded level. They were originally going to combine their levels but changed their mind
Nvm you highlighted that
I never even knew white jungle had a ton of missing rings.
I guess i never played the shadow stages much.
I played phantasy star online before I played this Sonic as a kid and they had a whole chao thing which big confused me at the time
Before I watch, I'm gonna assume this is the set of rings from an early version of green forest found in white jungle thats been documented for a good long while now
Edit: yep, these rings are from an early prototype version of green forest from Sonic's story. If I remember correctly it doesn't fit the final version's layout however, but I think speepshighway made a remake
Edit 2: Guess you found that out, should've kept watching haha
Who else remember Alfred that voiced German from fandub
Thanks, Now I know it's impossible to get them all…
Sonic adventure 2 was my first sonic game
I see the title, all I can say is
W H I T E J U N G L E
I watched it without volume did not fail to amuse me
I wonder why they would have green forest beta in white jungle. That’s so interesting!
I love PopEyes.
The thumbnail on this vid looks like a gametheory thumbnail
there are actually alot more stages with missing rings. i cant remember most off the top of my head but speeps documented one about green forest
Given that these two levels are timed by default it's highly likely they went through a lot of balance revisions...
Damn now I really want to replay this game
Scrambled Shadow The Egghog!
this is like the lost goomba/coin
"Gotta Get Em All!"
Sonic Rings!
That's the first stage I tried getting all Rings, for no reason at all besides liking the stage, and for obvious reasons, I was quite frustrated
Nice job swanky you make great content and it awsome have you ever consider doing an0ther challgen video
Awesome Video
Shadow and the secret rings
The lost mission.
My favorite game. Love it
This doesn't look like breaking mario with lots of enemies
If I remember correctly city escape has more rings in the level than the counter says
Hey Swanky i have an idea for inaccessible coins in super mario galaxy 1, the question mark shaped planet on the way to Major Burrows in Gusty Garden Galaxy, do you think the spikey bushes on that planet have anything?
0:08 you never know how much is wrong with the game untill someone shows you (i.e Sonic's hand)
I've spotted the floating platforms before but never could reach them lol
Hopefully they fix it in the remake
i would love some videos on wario world. its such an obscure game
I remember first playing this on my GameCube. Now all these years later, the cheapest copy I can find is $30 at a vintage stock in texas 🤣