It’s like how Conservatives thought “wokeness” started in 2016 and Hollywood went “woke” after hating Trump running for President. They won’t admit that pre-2016 entertainment was always “woke” for some reason. I can’t fathom why.
@@dansaber5853 there's this free AI song creator called Suno and I've made several songs with prompts like "song about Matt Walsh being a closeted homosexual" and "Ben Shapiro and Matt Walsh fall in love". Basically what AI was made for as far as I'm concerned.
Matt Walsh: "Male friendships are dying." Also Matt Walsh: If a male friend exhibited platonic affection towards me, I would be uncomfortable and change the subject.
Saying men can’t be close anymore because WOMEN can see them is absolutely bonkers. Is he insinuating that: A) women are so irresistible that you HAVE to ditch your buddy to hit on a woman who is not attracted to you or B) any woman who so much as SEES you hug another man will scream at you for being gay???? Women now going to previously “men-only” spaces doesn’t mean you cannot spend time with the men who also go there. He’s literally treating it like “No Girls Allowed” treehouse rules.
He’s pretty much in complete denial about his sexuality and is in fear of coming out as gay. Hence why he has to resort to far-right grifting and propaganda.
@@hopefullyhelping6664 I agree! I am not gay, but I have kissed men. I have never heard any woman disliking hearing or seeing that (almost the opposite). These right wing winers are pathetic, and I consider someone that unsecure of his manlyhood being less manly actually. A real man can do what he likes, love the males he has in his life without caring about what other toxic manly men says. Kissing men, confessing my feelings, commununicating, being responsive and caring, HTF does that make me less a male? Jesuses.
"if a friend came over for a beer and sat down next to me on the couch and said 'hey man, i love you, and your relationship is really important to me' I would find it extremely awkward"....wait, what? I don't know any normal secure male who would have an issue with this...Idk anything about matt walsh but the fact he said this makes it seem like he is overcompensating extremely hard for some insecurities...kinda like the anti-gay pastors who always end up getting caught fucking other dudes in some hotel....Like if your response to a buddy telling you he loves you is to get weirded out and assume he's hitting on you, u got some issues bruh
I tell my friends, male or female, that I love them all the time, I even hug them when I tell them goodbye. Why? Because I love my friends and I want to show my affection for them. That's it. I guess telling the people you love that you love them makes you gay, according to clowns like Walsh
@@manelneedsaname1773no, y’all are just cowards. “The left” thinks you should have friends and it doesn’t matter if you’re attracted to them or not, that there’s many different kinds of love like romantic, familial, platonic, etc. and they’re all pretty nice, and that it’s bad that men don’t know how to share their feelings. Conservatives are the ones that decided that men being emotionally vulnerable made them gay AND that being gay was bad, so _they_ get the blame here.
He also thinks it’s impossible for men and women to be platonic friends and implied any time a man hangs out with a woman he will be tempted to sleep with her
Someone trying their damn hardest, "Listen man, I care about you. I love you as a brother, and I'm worried that you aren't able to display emotional honesty." Matt Walsh, "ERMMM, that just happened."
Augustus, the first Emperor, passed a law to raise the birth rate. Higher taxes for men above a certain age that had no children. Elagabulus, the trans emperor, came later when the empire was degenerating. Hadrian is the exception, but you lefties wouldn't like him because he kicked your masters out of their homeland.
@@titanomachy2217Funny, but no. Rome was gayer, but the US and Western Europe generally have much healthier opinions on homosexuality than Romans did. Who basically always related homosexual relationships to power dynamics and shame.
@@ChipCheerio Lol I highly doubt 20% of Roman citizens were "LGBT" like the youth of the West nowadays. Oh, and Gen Alpha is even higher, I think like over half of them say they are LGBT. It's the biggest fad of our era.
“In regard to homosexuality, I must say that I believe this is an attempt to remove oneself from the present, a refusal perhaps to perpetuate the endless farce of earthly life. You see, I make love to men daily, but in the imagination.” I dunno dude. Seems kinda gay.
Anecdotally, as a man in his early twenties in a very progressive part of the world, I see male friends being physically intimate and talking about how much they appreciate eachother all the time. Joking about being gay or fucking eachother is often included, especially when women show up and "steal" one of the friends from the other. And these are genuinely completely straight guys, they're just confident enough in their own masculinity to be able to both make jokes and be real about what they feel and that they look out for eachother. It's not perfect of course and there's a lot of stuff that us guys need to get better at talking to eachother about, but I'm tired of these far-right pundits who were obviously unpopular, genuine fucking losers in their youth talking about that everything is so terrible, and bad, and no one has sex anymore, and no one has friends, and women hate you and bla bla bla. Just because they've got no friends, no sex, and no genuine love from close friends doesn't mean that it doesn't exist for the rest of us. This talk of "male friendships being dead" is horseshit of the highest order. Maybe in emotionally stunted man-children with no friends or wives, or lonely socially insecure 4chan users but in the real world with real, healthy and confident young men they are as real as ever. But those guys are obviously not the target audience lmao.
I go to a college in a town in Oklahoma with about 20,000 people on it and all the guys here are STILL able to hug and be affectionate with each other. Gay jokes with each other are literally like half our vocabulary. Yet, somehow, 90% of us are very straight and masculine.
Lincoln could’ve been gay or bi. There’s nothing concrete to prove that he was straight or queer. Now the president before him, James Buchanan, definitely has more evidence to show that he could’ve been gay or bi. None of this really matters too much in the grand scheme of things, though it is a fun thread to pull at in history. To me, the significance here is showing the perception of sexual orientation in society during different time periods. It’s not “Putting today’s morals on the past” like Matt Walsh says, rather looking at how society oppressed certain groups throughout history.
My thoughts are that the human perspective on sexuality and gender hasn’t changed over time, but the terminology and social dynamics at play have. I think it’s interesting to look at history through a modern lens and see if we can piece together how these things worked in the past. Whether or not Lincoln was gay, looking at the evidence we have and interpreting it through the shared experiences of today is fascinating.
This exactly. No matter what in the end, we have no way of knowing. But i think it’s interesting to look at the past with all kinds of different lenses as long as you acknowledge in the end that its all just ideas
Yeah really, I hate the argument of "putting todays morals in the past" its just a fun theory that barely changes anything, nobody is going to die over this
“Theres no evidence that he was straight” He was married to a woman i’ve honestly never heard that he was gay until now Then again their marriage sounded kind of off
As for Adum asking "Why does it matter?" I think the answer doesn't matter so much as the understanding of how sexuality and relationships were expressed throughout history and Lincoln can be used as a case study because of all the primary and secondary sources of the era. So does it matter if Lincoln specifically was gay or straight? No. But does it matter if (Male in 1850s America) was gay or straight? I think so.
It’s definitely an interesting little tidbit but in the long run this piece of information doesn’t really make a difference. Like you say, it would matter in his time because of how it was viewed.
I think it's especially important for there to be, for lack of a better term, 'proof' of queer people existing considering how frequently people argue that "this queer stuff didn't exist when I was a kid". I can agree that it's less important if it's a president specifically, as much as it, of a person during this time to have existed in such a way.
@@trashfire1025 I guess if you think the Greeks, Romans, and other ancient civilizations were uniquely gay. It even happened in ancient China. That's just off the top of my head, so I know there are many more, but I wouldn't be surprised to learn that it's far older. I'd like to say this all seems like a strawman, but I know the dumb shit people can say, maybe it doesn't deserve equal respect like when people try to say Lincoln was racist, which isn't entirely honest, but I understand the misconception. I just think there's a point where you can start to step into misinformation and revisionism, which is ironic, because it's what a denier would do. This is a general statement, not necessarily directed at you, just wanna put it out there. People can be gay, we have been gay, we will continue to be gay. However, I don't understand why Lincoln's life needs to be scrutinized in this way, what benefit does it really have if we can't even be sure? Lincoln is an important figure for different reasons. Tchaikovsky, Florence Nightingale, Oscar Wilde, Alan Turing? Much more substantial, and much more important as gay historical figures, no? All of them, except for Turing, are around the same time, if not the same place. I might be missing something, but I just don't get it.
Even if he’s talking about like bars or sports games or something, no one is forcing him or his hypothetical brofriends to approach random women. They can still have their male spaces, they’re just making it everyone else’s problem lmfao
So his argument is that men got tired of saying NO HOMO every time they showed affection towards another man, so they stopped showing affection…? Did I get that right?
Historian here: Lincoln’s sexuality has been a topic of discussion since his lifetime. There’s no concrete evidence that he was gay. Sharing a bed with another man was common in the 19th century, regardless of your sexual orientation. Homosexuality was punishable under the law until the mid 20th century (early 21st in some states), so the evidence of same-sex relationships is minimal before the 20th century, even in cases where historians are pretty sure someone was gay.
"We used to have slaves and child marriage it was awesome" I get that it's satire, but I feel like this is something Matt would unironically agree with. Especially the child marriage part.
17:15 this makes me so sad actually. I honestly thought he was going to say this was acceptable because that's the nature of the times, especially how men often can't express this kind of intimacy without alcohol, but he's not even giving men that
I think Matt's just jealous because there's no speculation to be had about his sex life-- he has already told us loudly and proudly that his type is 16 year old highschool girls.
@LezSpringfield genuinely i think its just a cover. he doesn't really care about them, its just so he can do the whole "men need to lead families" and "save the west by having white babies" song and dance.
@@LezSpringfield It's not exactly out of the realm of possibility for a married man to have some... you know, closeted tendencies. Or in Matt's case, ephebophilia
@@LezSpringfield Yeah and he keeps talking about how the solution to teen pregnancy is to let grown men marry 16 year olds before they get knocked up. Being married with kids makes it even stranger.
the fact that the hypothetical declaration of love from a friend was so explicitly platonic/nonromantic and matt walsh still finds himself uncomfortable with the idea says so much more about him than it does about society
17:11 it’s really sad that he thinks it’s weird to say for a man to say “I love you and appreciate our friendship” to another man if they’re not gay lovers but… I doubt this dude can say that to *anyone.*
I find it fascinating how many people connect the daily activity of sleeping in comfortable place with ulterior motives. What's even more fascinating two girls is pretty much never weird, but some guys just assume everyone secretly wants to enter his ass while asleep for some reason.
"Just as we can't prove that he wasn't, as some historians have argued, a vampire slayer" The sentence is so infuriating to me. He's betting on the fact people have heard "Abe Lincoln, Vampire Hunter" before at some point, but don't know the context around it (It's a fiction book, and movie). So then he claims that "historians" felt that it was a legitimate theory, in order to cast doubt over historians and any claim that they make in the documentary. "They thought he was also a vampire hunter, they're full of shit so don't believe anything they say" But it's SO casual and offhand, no one will consciously think about it that way
Honestly after Walsh wanted to lower both the age of consent and age for marriage, while wanting both to not require parent consent or acknowledgment, nothing he says can be taken seriously lmao
Idk why we need to rely on pointing to ancient civilization. We literally observe this behavior occurring naturally among animals *without* the higher order reasoning of the human brain. I know a lot of Christians especially the sad Walsh types are delusional and think humans aren't animals but we are. Nothing about it is unnatural. It's actually more natural than sitting in front of a camera bitching all the time like he does.
@Milky_Mercy matt doesn't know anything expect that he has to repeat what all other conservatives say and that it'll make him money he can use to buy cheese pizza
This whole thing is Matt Walsh admitting he doesn't have friends. XD The male friendship is dying, men don't have friends anymore....no mate..you just dont have friends XD Men still have plenty of friends, men still go out drinking and so on, i guess no one asks him out XD
That statement of spaces being "abolished" due to woman coming in them is so reminiscent of public spaces being defunded or demolished when desegregation happened as in "government done gave the public pool to the blacks"
the way he equates "old" and "historical" with "conservative" is so f..king ridiculous. "obviously people in the past had conservative values, if they hadn't they would have lived in the present."
Okay. Swamp. Dark Ritual. Dark Ritual. I play "Gay Obama", discard 1 for cost. Response? Okay, so I take seven when it comes into play. ... ...and Pass.
The Critical Drinker is saying the same thing, they all got the memo. "I used to be able to enjoy Frodo and Sam!" Gay jokes made by insecure men also existed back then, the world didn't start in 2015.
"hey I love you man" Matt Walsh: ok... *awkwardly uncomfortable* I have friends who say that to me, not weirded out btw I have a strong feeling matt walsh (allegedly) hates gay people because he's a Christian
The idea that it’s weird to say you platonically love a friend is so oddly defensive, especially in the context of having close friends over for a beer
it's quite telling that matt walsh would think its weird that friends tell him they love him is a weird thing for people of the same sex to do. I tell my friends I love them all the time lol.
For people asking what the importance of it is it's important because it just proves a point against people who try to act like being gay trans Etc is a trend and not something that humans have been experiencing since humans have existed
People know gay people have existed for a long time just as much as any other crime or promiscuity. No sensible person would think otherwise so taking non Christian fringe opinions is silly, it's literally viewed as a sin in the Bible obviously LGBT existed for millenia.
Those people's heads would explode if you tell them what men did to each other during the Roman times. Yes, I know there's a difference between that and being in a romantic same-sex relationship, but I get the feeling that they would hand-wave it as "the wokes" rewriting history.
Well, we know humans experienced it since forever. Everyone heard about Ancient Greece, for example. Why does it matter if this specific person was gay or not? And why are right-wingers trying so hard to prove he wasn't? Literally, who cares?
@@Yor_gamma_ix_bae I would be inclined to agree with you but also like if you're a dude that fucks another dude and you only do it with other dudes I'm inclined to say you're gay
"If a friend came over and said 'I love you and our relationship is meaningful to me' would be weird" Says everything you need to know about Matt Walsh when it comes to how he views relationships with other people
at first I was like "oh that seems like a reasonable exploration with evidence and historical context, I wonder what Adum has to criticize of it?" and then the """Debunking""" happened...
As a huge commie, I hug all my friends, and tell my closest friends that I love them. Nothing sexual about that, and it's absolutely f***ed that Walsh is reinforcing this toxic, isolationist understanding of masculinity to his audience of mostly 14 year old boys.
People seem to forget that there's four primary kinds of love. Love is not exclusively romantic or sexual. It just means you care about that person deeply.
I love Matt Walsh saying his response to a hypothetical scenario in which a buddy is at his house and says their friendship is important to him is "cool did you watch the game?"
The problem I have with this kind of historical discussion is that it tends to only look at gay or straight as possibilities rather than the spectrum. Lincoln had 4 children. That seems like decent evidence that he enjoyed his time with his wife, regardless of how much he enjoyed his time with dashing young men.
Repressed gay men can have children. A decent chunk of homophobes hate gay people because their parents got a divorce because one of them stopped repressing it.
dude, it's been forever since i've heard matt walshes voice, why does he sound like a news anchor who smokes a pack a day? (also i think he'd throw a fit if he learned about sappho of lesbos)
"They don't have any evidence for this" mf that's a *trailer*, not the actual documentary. The evidence will be in the documentary, of course they're not going to show it all in the trailer
Matt Walsh is a clown but the person in the documentary saying you "couldn't have a political career without a wife" is incorrect. Buchanan, literally the president right before Lincoln, never married.
When he talks about women invading male spaces, "we lost our masculine spaces where we can be men >:(" it reminds me of the long history of men fleeing from occupations, hobbies, names, even favourite colours because a woman likes it, is named it or partakes in certain activities. The reason for that is directly tied to the fear of being perceived as feminine or gay, anything that man does that is considered stereotypical for women to do it labeled gay, like talking about your feelings with your friends. It's not asking the question could this person have been gay that's the problem, it's the fact that anything that doesn't solely fit in the rigid box of masculine is considered something to be ashamed of, or something is wrong with you as a man
Right. When you get down to the core, the base-fear is not being "treated like you're gay". The base-fear is "being treated like a woman". That is the standard they're measuring themselves against, and it's what frightens them.
A couple of historical things to bear in mind: sharing a bed was much more common in "ye old days". Beds were expensive, nights were cold, the notion of the need for privacy was different, and people liked the company. The idea that homophobia is a modern invention comes more from ideology than fact. What is modern is that legislation came in to shore up longstanding prejudice.
As the woke left, I apologize for my actions, look, I didn't mean to make Matt a homosexual, it just sort of happened, you know? Like forgetting to signal before a turn, it wasn't done out of malice, but out of sleep deprivation and carelessness.
If you look at photos of Lincoln, you'll notice his arms are always covered. He hid his skinny arms because he was 2gay2lift.
He was strong as fuck tho. He just had BAD GENETICS.
Nah. Lincoln had a bod. I know it.
"Sic semper tyrannis! Also, do you even lift, bro?"
He was known as a great wrestler so he was probably jacked
Abraham Twinkin
I don't care about Lincoln's sexuality, but since Matt Walsh is really into him being straight, I'm going to say he wasn't.
I totally agree. 😂
Yeah, Matt Walsh is definitely SUPER straight. Not even a little gay.
@@TangWuSnake Honestly, I hope Matt Walsh is straight. The gay community does not need a blemish like Walsh.
Gay.
It's like he thinks homosexuality was invented in 2015 or something, feels like I'm in a fkn alternate dimension or something
It’s like how Conservatives thought “wokeness” started in 2016 and Hollywood went “woke” after hating Trump running for President. They won’t admit that pre-2016 entertainment was always “woke” for some reason. I can’t fathom why.
Smh everyone knows only gay people exist in June, and its October now, so there arent any homosexuals anymore
Matt Walsh may eventually come out
@@dansaber5853 there's this free AI song creator called Suno and I've made several songs with prompts like "song about Matt Walsh being a closeted homosexual" and "Ben Shapiro and Matt Walsh fall in love". Basically what AI was made for as far as I'm concerned.
@@kwk111 yes these personalities won't withstand what AI can infer about them
Matt Walsh: "Male friendships are dying."
Also Matt Walsh: If a male friend exhibited platonic affection towards me, I would be uncomfortable and change the subject.
If Matt Walsh felt any kind of affection he would freak out, as it would be the first time ever he felt such a thing in his entire life.
the weirdest part of the video was when matt walsh just started reciting every state's age of consent idk how he knows that by heart
He and Onision need to collab.
*Matt:* "Hey, do you know what the age of consent is in Ohio?"
*Me:* "Who the f**k starts a conversation like that? I just sat down!"
@@michaelstrong5383
MAP: it's 16 and I say that's too high
Yes, you do.
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So much of this is just Matt Walsh saying he's never had a strong male friendship in his life.
dude straight up admitted he doesn't have meaningful relationships and thought it was a flex
Are we surprised that Matt Walsh has no friends
@@ahand091 Ben shapiro is better at making friends than him lmaoooo
Well, Matt Walsh isn't human, so it makes sense he can't connect with anyone. He even admits he has no soul. I take him at his word there.
Tbf he probably isnt trying to make friends with guys his age but instead goes for girls half his age- fuck I mean BEFRIENDS them
''Places men used to gather have been invaded by women''
Walsh is trying so hard to deny his screaming inner gayness in this vid.
Saying men can’t be close anymore because WOMEN can see them is absolutely bonkers. Is he insinuating that: A) women are so irresistible that you HAVE to ditch your buddy to hit on a woman who is not attracted to you or B) any woman who so much as SEES you hug another man will scream at you for being gay????
Women now going to previously “men-only” spaces doesn’t mean you cannot spend time with the men who also go there. He’s literally treating it like “No Girls Allowed” treehouse rules.
He’s pretty much in complete denial about his sexuality and is in fear of coming out as gay. Hence why he has to resort to far-right grifting and propaganda.
@@hopefullyhelping6664 Matt just wants to bring back the He-Man Woman-Haters Club 😤
@@hopefullyhelping6664 I agree!
I am not gay, but I have kissed men. I have never heard any woman disliking hearing or seeing that (almost the opposite). These right wing winers are pathetic, and I consider someone that unsecure of his manlyhood being less manly actually. A real man can do what he likes, love the males he has in his life without caring about what other toxic manly men says.
Kissing men, confessing my feelings, commununicating, being responsive and caring, HTF does that make me less a male? Jesuses.
He was gay though, I saw him kissing Gandhi once
I know that reference!
Yeah everybody at school saw it too
Hope Abe didn't catch anything... hear Ghandi had something
I think the question Matt Walsh should be asking is not "Am I racist?" but "Am I gay?"
From the creator of “What Is A Woman?”, here come “What If I’m Gay?”
He’s known for donning wigs to own the transes-next he’s going to have sex with men to own the gays
I think he's just projecting at this point. Matt should just admit he's gay already
How about "Am I A Sicko for still thinking that girls are most fertile at 16?"
I would have to disagree with you about Matt being a closeted gay man. Have you heard his extremely troubling comments about underage girls?
"if a friend came over for a beer and sat down next to me on the couch and said 'hey man, i love you, and your relationship is really important to me' I would find it extremely awkward"....wait, what? I don't know any normal secure male who would have an issue with this...Idk anything about matt walsh but the fact he said this makes it seem like he is overcompensating extremely hard for some insecurities...kinda like the anti-gay pastors who always end up getting caught fucking other dudes in some hotel....Like if your response to a buddy telling you he loves you is to get weirded out and assume he's hitting on you, u got some issues bruh
It’s honestly really sad, but they’re republicans for a reason. Emotional vulnerability isn’t a strong suit of theirs
It’s honestly really sad, but they’re cons for a reason. Emotional vulnerability isn’t a strong suit of theirs
When Matt is told "I love you" by his mom I imagine him cringing and going "ew mom, don't be gross", so that tracks.
I tell my friends, male or female, that I love them all the time, I even hug them when I tell them goodbye. Why? Because I love my friends and I want to show my affection for them. That's it.
I guess telling the people you love that you love them makes you gay, according to clowns like Walsh
I've been there, and my response was "is everything okay? I love you too bro" hug
It explains a lot about Matt Walsh that he thinks it's strange to tell your platonic friends that you love them
But also that the left made It weird
He thinks it's strange to tell your children that you love them, so.
@@manelneedsaname1773no, y’all are just cowards. “The left” thinks you should have friends and it doesn’t matter if you’re attracted to them or not, that there’s many different kinds of love like romantic, familial, platonic, etc. and they’re all pretty nice, and that it’s bad that men don’t know how to share their feelings.
Conservatives are the ones that decided that men being emotionally vulnerable made them gay AND that being gay was bad, so _they_ get the blame here.
He also thinks it’s impossible for men and women to be platonic friends and implied any time a man hangs out with a woman he will be tempted to sleep with her
Someone trying their damn hardest, "Listen man, I care about you. I love you as a brother, and I'm worried that you aren't able to display emotional honesty."
Matt Walsh, "ERMMM, that just happened."
I just suppressed my emotions; with my frickin' mind. :D
These are the same people that glorify the Roman Empire without acknowledging that they're the gayest empire of all time.
This!!
Nah, that's definitely the current internationalist empire we call "the West".
Augustus, the first Emperor, passed a law to raise the birth rate. Higher taxes for men above a certain age that had no children. Elagabulus, the trans emperor, came later when the empire was degenerating. Hadrian is the exception, but you lefties wouldn't like him because he kicked your masters out of their homeland.
@@titanomachy2217Funny, but no. Rome was gayer, but the US and Western Europe generally have much healthier opinions on homosexuality than Romans did. Who basically always related homosexual relationships to power dynamics and shame.
@@ChipCheerio Lol I highly doubt 20% of Roman citizens were "LGBT" like the youth of the West nowadays. Oh, and Gen Alpha is even higher, I think like over half of them say they are LGBT. It's the biggest fad of our era.
Of course he had to call Barack Obama the first possible gay president
I mean what is this James Buchanan erasure?
Black gay muslim non-american born Obamna?
“In regard to homosexuality, I must say that I believe this is an attempt to remove oneself from the present, a refusal perhaps to perpetuate the endless farce of earthly life. You see, I make love to men daily, but in the imagination.”
I dunno dude. Seems kinda gay.
What is this? George Washington erasure?
Thanks Obama.
Anecdotally, as a man in his early twenties in a very progressive part of the world, I see male friends being physically intimate and talking about how much they appreciate eachother all the time. Joking about being gay or fucking eachother is often included, especially when women show up and "steal" one of the friends from the other. And these are genuinely completely straight guys, they're just confident enough in their own masculinity to be able to both make jokes and be real about what they feel and that they look out for eachother.
It's not perfect of course and there's a lot of stuff that us guys need to get better at talking to eachother about, but I'm tired of these far-right pundits who were obviously unpopular, genuine fucking losers in their youth talking about that everything is so terrible, and bad, and no one has sex anymore, and no one has friends, and women hate you and bla bla bla. Just because they've got no friends, no sex, and no genuine love from close friends doesn't mean that it doesn't exist for the rest of us.
This talk of "male friendships being dead" is horseshit of the highest order. Maybe in emotionally stunted man-children with no friends or wives, or lonely socially insecure 4chan users but in the real world with real, healthy and confident young men they are as real as ever. But those guys are obviously not the target audience lmao.
I go to a college in a town in Oklahoma with about 20,000 people on it and all the guys here are STILL able to hug and be affectionate with each other. Gay jokes with each other are literally like half our vocabulary. Yet, somehow, 90% of us are very straight and masculine.
7:05 Adum falling to the floor after hearing Matt Walsh say ‘Barack Obama’ is incredible
"Suddenly they are going after Lincoln" Ive been hearing about Lincoln possibly being gay for at least 20 years, This isnt new.
In my defense I only heard this about twice before
Ah yes, the nefarious THEY ...
There's a fucking American Dad episode about it. EARLY American Dad.
@@Manticorn Different "they" than the "they" that totally wants to murder trans kids?
@@Lex-dw7ng Simpsons too, Ghost Lincoln was telling Homer how he and the missus have an "understanding"
Lincoln could’ve been gay or bi. There’s nothing concrete to prove that he was straight or queer. Now the president before him, James Buchanan, definitely has more evidence to show that he could’ve been gay or bi. None of this really matters too much in the grand scheme of things, though it is a fun thread to pull at in history. To me, the significance here is showing the perception of sexual orientation in society during different time periods. It’s not “Putting today’s morals on the past” like Matt Walsh says, rather looking at how society oppressed certain groups throughout history.
My thoughts are that the human perspective on sexuality and gender hasn’t changed over time, but the terminology and social dynamics at play have. I think it’s interesting to look at history through a modern lens and see if we can piece together how these things worked in the past. Whether or not Lincoln was gay, looking at the evidence we have and interpreting it through the shared experiences of today is fascinating.
This exactly. No matter what in the end, we have no way of knowing.
But i think it’s interesting to look at the past with all kinds of different lenses as long as you acknowledge in the end that its all just ideas
Yeah really, I hate the argument of "putting todays morals in the past"
its just a fun theory that barely changes anything, nobody is going to die over this
I support James “I have gone a wooing to several gentlemen” Buchanan as first gay president
“Theres no evidence that he was straight”
He was married to a woman i’ve honestly never heard that he was gay until now
Then again their marriage sounded kind of off
As for Adum asking "Why does it matter?" I think the answer doesn't matter so much as the understanding of how sexuality and relationships were expressed throughout history and Lincoln can be used as a case study because of all the primary and secondary sources of the era.
So does it matter if Lincoln specifically was gay or straight? No. But does it matter if (Male in 1850s America) was gay or straight? I think so.
It’s definitely an interesting little tidbit but in the long run this piece of information doesn’t really make a difference. Like you say, it would matter in his time because of how it was viewed.
I think it's especially important for there to be, for lack of a better term, 'proof' of queer people existing considering how frequently people argue that "this queer stuff didn't exist when I was a kid". I can agree that it's less important if it's a president specifically, as much as it, of a person during this time to have existed in such a way.
@@trashfire1025 I guess if you think the Greeks, Romans, and other ancient civilizations were uniquely gay. It even happened in ancient China. That's just off the top of my head, so I know there are many more, but I wouldn't be surprised to learn that it's far older.
I'd like to say this all seems like a strawman, but I know the dumb shit people can say, maybe it doesn't deserve equal respect like when people try to say Lincoln was racist, which isn't entirely honest, but I understand the misconception. I just think there's a point where you can start to step into misinformation and revisionism, which is ironic, because it's what a denier would do. This is a general statement, not necessarily directed at you, just wanna put it out there.
People can be gay, we have been gay, we will continue to be gay. However, I don't understand why Lincoln's life needs to be scrutinized in this way, what benefit does it really have if we can't even be sure? Lincoln is an important figure for different reasons.
Tchaikovsky, Florence Nightingale, Oscar Wilde, Alan Turing? Much more substantial, and much more important as gay historical figures, no? All of them, except for Turing, are around the same time, if not the same place. I might be missing something, but I just don't get it.
Im curious what hypothetical "male spaces" have been invaded and thus prevented the forming of male friendships in Walsh's fantasy-land.
Even if he’s talking about like bars or sports games or something, no one is forcing him or his hypothetical brofriends to approach random women. They can still have their male spaces, they’re just making it everyone else’s problem lmfao
there was a girl at his favorite gay bar, and he got mad
@@madeofmeats "they're just making it everyone else's problem" sums up Walsh's whole video
So his argument is that men got tired of saying NO HOMO every time they showed affection towards another man, so they stopped showing affection…? Did I get that right?
Cant kiss the homies goodnight anymore because of woke 😔
my friend always says "no homo" after he spills his load on my back
"we're the party of lincoln!"
yes, the gay guy who freed the slaves and who you'd be running attack ads against if he were in politics today
The Rumor Come Out, Does Abraham Lincoln is gay?
Bruno Mars and Abe
I don’t know, does he?
Fellas, is it gay to have emotions?
Historian here: Lincoln’s sexuality has been a topic of discussion since his lifetime. There’s no concrete evidence that he was gay. Sharing a bed with another man was common in the 19th century, regardless of your sexual orientation. Homosexuality was punishable under the law until the mid 20th century (early 21st in some states), so the evidence of same-sex relationships is minimal before the 20th century, even in cases where historians are pretty sure someone was gay.
I wanna ask Lincoln if he was gay so bad, that would be so hype
If only some one had a time machine preferably in the shape of a warm bath or maybe a hot tub.
@@pikapowns I know this is a refrence but why would you want a hot tub time machine over a delorean, or a tardis?
@zacbrown3797 hot tub & phone booth > tardis and delorean
@@zacbrown3797 people will look at me weird if I get out of a car or phonebooth naked, obviously.
"We used to have slaves and child marriage it was awesome"
I get that it's satire, but I feel like this is something Matt would unironically agree with. Especially the child marriage part.
Sorry this has literally nothing to do with the vid but I'm obsessed with your icon it's SO CUTE
He's literally said the second part (the child marriages) is something we should do again. So yeah you kinda hit the nail on the head.
@@TheBonkleFoxWHAT
@@Milky_Mercy I looked it up and yah, he wanted 16 year olds to be able to be married. He believes at thst age is when the girls are more fertile.
@CyrusLagom it is so, so nasty to hear dudes like Walsh call women "fertile"
17:15 this makes me so sad actually. I honestly thought he was going to say this was acceptable because that's the nature of the times, especially how men often can't express this kind of intimacy without alcohol, but he's not even giving men that
"Was Lincoln the first Log Cabin Republican?" That's.... that's literally the origin of the term, Matt.
He likely never graduated high school.
I played with "Lincoln Logs" growing up.
@@AvengerAtIlipa
I always thought they were
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“What Abe did wasn’t considered gay, but if a friend did it to me, it would be, but even if it were gay, it wouldn’t be _that_ gay.”
"Also, I like sports--any sports. Sports aren't gay."
I think Matt's just jealous because there's no speculation to be had about his sex life-- he has already told us loudly and proudly that his type is 16 year old highschool girls.
doesn’t he have a wife and kids
@LezSpringfield genuinely i think its just a cover. he doesn't really care about them, its just so he can do the whole "men need to lead families" and "save the west by having white babies" song and dance.
@@LezSpringfield It's not exactly out of the realm of possibility for a married man to have some... you know, closeted tendencies. Or in Matt's case, ephebophilia
@@LezSpringfieldYeah, I feel sorry for those kids btw.
@@LezSpringfield Yeah and he keeps talking about how the solution to teen pregnancy is to let grown men marry 16 year olds before they get knocked up. Being married with kids makes it even stranger.
If I told a friend I love them and they were that repressed I would not be their friend
9:51 Adam, a gay man, has kissed more women than me. Radical.
I didn‘t believe it until he tried debunking it
the fact that the hypothetical declaration of love from a friend was so explicitly platonic/nonromantic and matt walsh still finds himself uncomfortable with the idea says so much more about him than it does about society
we sadly live in a time where scoot couldn't find out that not only was Abe gay but also a vampire hunter
Wasn't there a big movie about Lincoln hunting vampires quite a few years ago
We don't know if Scoot saw that.
17:11 it’s really sad that he thinks it’s weird to say for a man to say “I love you and appreciate our friendship” to another man if they’re not gay lovers but… I doubt this dude can say that to *anyone.*
He probably can't even tell his wife he loves her. It's sad to see how emotionally constipated these far-right men are.
Walsh literally did "They were just a roomates that slept in same bed".
@@dramatickesneni o my god they were roommates
I mean, that was more of a thing in civil war America, as opposed to Ancient Greece.
People did share beds a lot more in the past. Save money, share warmth, have some company. It wasn't seen as automatically sexual, the way it is now.
@@ThreadBombsure buddy
I find it fascinating how many people connect the daily activity of sleeping in comfortable place with ulterior motives.
What's even more fascinating two girls is pretty much never weird, but some guys just assume everyone secretly wants to enter his ass while asleep for some reason.
Matt Walsh: It's not because of toxic masculinity.
Narrator: It was, in fact, because of toxic masculinity.
"Just as we can't prove that he wasn't, as some historians have argued, a vampire slayer"
The sentence is so infuriating to me. He's betting on the fact people have heard "Abe Lincoln, Vampire Hunter" before at some point, but don't know the context around it (It's a fiction book, and movie). So then he claims that "historians" felt that it was a legitimate theory, in order to cast doubt over historians and any claim that they make in the documentary. "They thought he was also a vampire hunter, they're full of shit so don't believe anything they say"
But it's SO casual and offhand, no one will consciously think about it that way
I didn't even hear about the theory of Lincoln being gay until the Simpsons joked about it in one of their (later) Treehouse of Horror episodes.
I had no idea that was even a theory until just now, with this video. Lmao
This is the very first I am hearing about it. I knew about the theories about Hamilton being gay. Just not Lincoln
Even with that Treehouse of Horror short, I never knew it was an actual theory, but just a joke the writers made
Honestly after Walsh wanted to lower both the age of consent and age for marriage, while wanting both to not require parent consent or acknowledgment, nothing he says can be taken seriously lmao
Even funnier that he calls LGBT “groomers” and spreaded lies about the Trevor Project being full of predators.
I will never understand the people that say that being gay is a new thing. Like wdym? Gay people existed in ancient Egypt.
Not if I close my eyes, plug my ears and scream “LALALALA I CANT HEAR YOU” everytime someone presents me with a new piece of information
Right? Like, the Greeks invented kissing boys.
Idk why we need to rely on pointing to ancient civilization. We literally observe this behavior occurring naturally among animals *without* the higher order reasoning of the human brain. I know a lot of Christians especially the sad Walsh types are delusional and think humans aren't animals but we are. Nothing about it is unnatural. It's actually more natural than sitting in front of a camera bitching all the time like he does.
Does he know about Alexander the Great?
@Milky_Mercy matt doesn't know anything expect that he has to repeat what all other conservatives say and that it'll make him money he can use to buy cheese pizza
This whole thing is Matt Walsh admitting he doesn't have friends. XD
The male friendship is dying, men don't have friends anymore....no mate..you just dont have friends XD Men still have plenty of friends, men still go out drinking and so on, i guess no one asks him out XD
I can't imagine why a PDF like him doesn't have any friends, he's so charming and lively, and injects joy into everything.
@@princesspupcake1269
A real life of the party
why would they? all he talks about is age of consent laws, trans penis and underage masectomies, probably ruins the mood
Not surprised, considering that he thinks it’s impossible for men and women to be platonic friends
That statement of spaces being "abolished" due to woman coming in them is so reminiscent of public spaces being defunded or demolished when desegregation happened as in "government done gave the public pool to the blacks"
the way he equates "old" and "historical" with "conservative" is so f..king ridiculous.
"obviously people in the past had conservative values, if they hadn't they would have lived in the present."
Paradigms and their shifts is a foreign language to this people.
The fact the VERY idea that your male friend might come up to you and say "I value our relationship" is gay according to Matt is so fkn wild.
Anything that makes Matt Walsh angry makes me happy
"my friends don't tell me they love me" imagine telling on yourself like that
Somehow I knew Obama would come up, but I didn't expect it to be the turn 1 play.
Okay. Swamp.
Dark Ritual.
Dark Ritual.
I play "Gay Obama", discard 1 for cost. Response?
Okay, so I take seven when it comes into play.
...
...and Pass.
He can’t be gay he’s American 🇺🇸
It's the opposite of is he gay or european it's is he straight or American
The good old U-S-GAY
I believe Lincoln was actually born in Kickassia.
On the contrary, because he is American that would point more towards being gay than not.
"I thought you were American"
"If you're going to theorize a US President was gay, why not start with Obama?"
"Sir, I just need to know if you want fries or salad."
you can feel walsh's desperation to say the f-slur
Man, Matt Walsh is so insecure with himself that he wouldn't accept a homie saying he loves him as a friend.
Well, that'll never happen to him
"George Washington? America's first gay president."
-- Nandor the Relentless
adum: 'there's no evidence I'M gay'
adum, please, PLEASE
The Critical Drinker is saying the same thing, they all got the memo. "I used to be able to enjoy Frodo and Sam!" Gay jokes made by insecure men also existed back then, the world didn't start in 2015.
drinker is just another pathetic grifter with no real skill or talent in, well anything, but especially not in media analysis.
TV stations made romance drama trailers for when the LotR films came to the silver screen for the first time
This was literally an episode of American Dad like a decade ago. Conservatives will be mad at this kind of thing forever.
"hey I love you man"
Matt Walsh: ok... *awkwardly uncomfortable*
I have friends who say that to me, not weirded out btw
I have a strong feeling matt walsh (allegedly) hates gay people because he's a Christian
5:45.
Yes, my least favorite part of grad school was when we had to pick a historical figure and make them gay.
What a maroon
Why does Matt Walsh look like he has his beard taped on to his face
He completely lost me with that whataboutism.
He probably eats crayons and doesn't wanna openly admit it.
The idea that it’s weird to say you platonically love a friend is so oddly defensive, especially in the context of having close friends over for a beer
I cant belive Matt came out as a Harry styles x Obama truther
it's quite telling that matt walsh would think its weird that friends tell him they love him is a weird thing for people of the same sex to do. I tell my friends I love them all the time lol.
"There's no evidence that I'm gay!" - Adum
For people asking what the importance of it is it's important because it just proves a point against people who try to act like being gay trans Etc is a trend and not something that humans have been experiencing since humans have existed
People know gay people have existed for a long time just as much as any other crime or promiscuity. No sensible person would think otherwise so taking non Christian fringe opinions is silly, it's literally viewed as a sin in the Bible obviously LGBT existed for millenia.
Those people's heads would explode if you tell them what men did to each other during the Roman times. Yes, I know there's a difference between that and being in a romantic same-sex relationship, but I get the feeling that they would hand-wave it as "the wokes" rewriting history.
Well, we know humans experienced it since forever. Everyone heard about Ancient Greece, for example. Why does it matter if this specific person was gay or not? And why are right-wingers trying so hard to prove he wasn't? Literally, who cares?
Is someone trans or gay even if they don’t identify as such?
@@Yor_gamma_ix_bae I would be inclined to agree with you but also like if you're a dude that fucks another dude and you only do it with other dudes I'm inclined to say you're gay
"Matt, you are my best freind and I love you."
"... Did you see that ludicrous display last night?"
It’s like matt walsh heard of dry humor but didn’t realize you had to actually be funny too
Man, I felt really sad for Matt when he said he'd be weirded out by a male friend saying he loves him
"If a friend came over and said 'I love you and our relationship is meaningful to me' would be weird"
Says everything you need to know about Matt Walsh when it comes to how he views relationships with other people
what is wrong with telling the homies that you love them and value their friendship? It should be common
Matt's gonna be big mad if he ever finds out Lincoln also regularly exchanged letters about socialism with Marx.
The only reason Matt cares about whether Lincoln was gay or not is because, by Matt liking him, that might mean he's gay.
Olivia, you deserve all the likes and comments
0:42 YMS Brown over here
the barack obama line made me cough lol
tbh it was silly of me to expect matt walsh to even know what debunk means.
at first I was like "oh that seems like a reasonable exploration with evidence and historical context, I wonder what Adum has to criticize of it?" and then the """Debunking""" happened...
Side note: this guy sounds like me when I had to write papers in college
Adum laughing so hard he falls out of frame is perfection.
16:50 I bet Matt Walsh dad never said "I love you" to his son... that's sad
As a huge commie, I hug all my friends, and tell my closest friends that I love them. Nothing sexual about that, and it's absolutely f***ed that Walsh is reinforcing this toxic, isolationist understanding of masculinity to his audience of mostly 14 year old boys.
People seem to forget that there's four primary kinds of love. Love is not exclusively romantic or sexual. It just means you care about that person deeply.
I love Matt Walsh saying his response to a hypothetical scenario in which a buddy is at his house and says their friendship is important to him is "cool did you watch the game?"
missed the opportunity to call the doc Gaybraham Lincoln
Gayberham Twinkoln
it's really weird how Matt confirms he's a teenager in an adult's body.
Explains why he likes 'em young...
That would explain his stupidity, except worse.
Literally the only instance Matt Walsh would ever defend Abraham Lincoln
The problem I have with this kind of historical discussion is that it tends to only look at gay or straight as possibilities rather than the spectrum. Lincoln had 4 children. That seems like decent evidence that he enjoyed his time with his wife, regardless of how much he enjoyed his time with dashing young men.
Repressed gay men can have children. A decent chunk of homophobes hate gay people because their parents got a divorce because one of them stopped repressing it.
the real issue is the trailer isn't in 4K
“ I have never gay.” Abraham Washington
Being Matt Walsh must be such a depressing existence.
Adum crumpling to the floor with all the clinking sounds at the mention of Barack Obama absolutely sent me
THEYRE GONNA TAKE AWAY LINCOLN'S PRESIDENT AWARD😮😮😮
dude, it's been forever since i've heard matt walshes voice, why does he sound like a news anchor who smokes a pack a day? (also i think he'd throw a fit if he learned about sappho of lesbos)
Seriously, I can think of questions that are less important than "Was Lincoln gay?" but there are only few 😂
He was shot dead watching theater. Of course he was gay.
"They don't have any evidence for this" mf that's a *trailer*, not the actual documentary. The evidence will be in the documentary, of course they're not going to show it all in the trailer
Matt Walsh is a clown but the person in the documentary saying you "couldn't have a political career without a wife" is incorrect. Buchanan, literally the president right before Lincoln, never married.
ofc lincoln was queer he was an aquarius
When he talks about women invading male spaces, "we lost our masculine spaces where we can be men >:(" it reminds me of the long history of men fleeing from occupations, hobbies, names, even favourite colours because a woman likes it, is named it or partakes in certain activities. The reason for that is directly tied to the fear of being perceived as feminine or gay, anything that man does that is considered stereotypical for women to do it labeled gay, like talking about your feelings with your friends. It's not asking the question could this person have been gay that's the problem, it's the fact that anything that doesn't solely fit in the rigid box of masculine is considered something to be ashamed of, or something is wrong with you as a man
Right. When you get down to the core, the base-fear is not being "treated like you're gay".
The base-fear is "being treated like a woman".
That is the standard they're measuring themselves against, and it's what frightens them.
7:00 LMFAOOOO
A couple of historical things to bear in mind: sharing a bed was much more common in "ye old days". Beds were expensive, nights were cold, the notion of the need for privacy was different, and people liked the company.
The idea that homophobia is a modern invention comes more from ideology than fact. What is modern is that legislation came in to shore up longstanding prejudice.
I can’t believe the woke left made Matt Walsh gay.
As the woke left, I apologize for my actions, look, I didn't mean to make Matt a homosexual, it just sort of happened, you know? Like forgetting to signal before a turn, it wasn't done out of malice, but out of sleep deprivation and carelessness.
i mean....there is some evidence that I'm gay....on the internet...