Ed and Ava do journalism, Oli feels inadequate | Podcast #35
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- What's Ed been up to? Do Reform UK present a legitimate threat to the Conservative's vote share? Is it fair that the HMRC is coming for the Depop girlies?
Oli, Ava, and Ed disagree over the answers to these questions - as well as the French, Saltburn, and Woody Allen.
Presenters: Oli Dugmore, Ava Santina, and Ed Campbell
Producer: Laura Beveridge
Sting design: Chris White
Production: Shawnee Linstead
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This is my favourite politics podcast, despite the fact no politics is discussed in more than half the episodes. I also like the nonce disclaimer at the beginning of each episode, as an alarming amount of the conversation is about nonces, even when it's not about politics! Thanks guys x
Nonces? We've got an educated leftist here fellas. A genuine high information voter. What would our wonderful "progressive" society be without double digit IQs like you? Truly, we would be lost.
Sometimes, not talking about politics is the only sane reaction to UK politics 🙂
Im with Ed that sick people should stay at home if they can instead of coming into work to spread sickness.
The amount of social media posts a couple of weeks ago asking if it's fine to hold Christmas together with extended family while having Covid-19 was frightening. A lot of people seemingly don't care about others like that.
Most people can't live off £99 a week from SSP, so if there's no support for people who are unwell. I'm hardly surprised they continue to work
We'd all need sick-pay first. I'm not losing a day's wages because I've got the sniffles, very sorry!
In an ideal world, yes. But employers are increasingly hostile towards staff taking sick days and the SSP isn't adequate. It sucks but we don't have a choice.
Got some bad news for you if you like to eat out. Anywhere that pays by the hour, like pretty much every restaurant, ppl always go to work when they are sick. You don't waste a sick day for anything less than flu.
I used to watch the Tifo football podcast. It was an unhinged hour+ of mates talking rubbish with the occasional steer back to football, but then people complained it was too off topic and so they scrapped the format to be more stale and football-centric. Please ignore any haters and keep up the hectic content
Yeah this podcast definitely has a very similar vibe to how TIFO was, it even has a Scottish one, but god is it so boring now. There's only so much Jon "Dog" MacKenzie I can watch and that is basically zero.
I used to love the Tifo IRL podcasts too.. But towards the end, in its death throes. It became fucking tedious.
But when they were doing day by day coverage of Afcon or the world cup. I'd never miss an episode.
Currently, the pod which scratches that same footie itch is The Football Ramble.
Thank you for the wonderful work you all do. Especially the background staff that have to deal with the triumvirate of chaos.
The "Britain is Full" segment would be Brasseye reincarnate!
We desperately need electoral reform. It's the elephant in the room in so so many conversations and almost always goes unnoticed even by very knowledgeable people.
You may be right BUT - unless better people go into politics, unless better ideas are developed, the method of voting will improve nothing; increasing opportunities for minor parties and disparate individuals will only be useful if those parties and individuals have anything to offer that major parties lack. Having been around the political cycle several times - i.e., being involved for over 50 years in one way or another - I have hardly ever been impressed by independent or small-party candidates, who for the most part would have done better to work within existing parties and trying to change them. PR of course is more than just increasing the possibility of smaller groups or individuals to break through; it makes democratic claims for itself as well: how valid those are depends on the theory that enhancing choice also increases accountability, and ensures better representation. To which "hmmm" seems to be the appropriate response: because so much depends on the form of PR chosen - eg, does it retain a constituency link? And much more - for which this is not an adequate forum.
However - beware voting reform as an answer: it doesn't even address the question, particularly when it becomes one of those "if only we had" points: if only we had PR - what? We'd get better government? We'd encourage less venal people to stand for office? The proof would be in the pudding, but I don't see a logical process in the argument.
@@RobertJonesWightpainti think regardless of eventual impact, the voting system needs to change for one simple reason: 1st past the post is not democracy.
Scotland do this. But then again they’re apparently the wee man in the room that can’t fend for themselves, and need to subsidise rishi’s family 10 years after they told us it’d run out
@RobertJonesWightpaint a lot of that is down to the voting system. The big parties gatekeep who can get near the top, which limits who gets to the top. How many potentially great leaders have been sidelined because they didn't fit the current mold?
With a system that allows more parties to be represented, established interests can't gatekeep like they currently do. It allows challengers to get a foot in the door and grow
I agree about the depop shops being seen as actual businesses however they are the least of our issues. King Charles didn’t have to pay inheritance and dodged paying £24 million, and they don’t have to pay income tax. And what about google, Starbucks etc not paying the correct tax amount. Let’s close those loop wholes and get the actual rich to pay their share. Isn’t that what trickle down economics is about??? Is that the great promise of capitalism???
Apologies if this has been mentioned already- on the topic of tax on second hand sellers , a point which has not been mentioned anywhere is that some items appreciate in value and are even seen as an investment - such as luxury handbags .this is therefore not a one size fits all policy coming from the free economics party in government…. I don’t think this policy is tackling the right issues … eg we could be making sure huge companies pay their fair share instead of once again slamming the lower and middle class…
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Re Depop & Vinted: There is absolutely nothing incorrect with taxing these people. They profit off of websites like these by depriving their communities of cheaper, decent charity shop clothing, simply so they can flip a profit. And this is all because they know brand prices better than those working in charity shops. Frankly, I'm surprised anyone would support such leeches in the first place - they are completely unproductive in our society, and serve only to extract capital for themselves for no greater purpose than being that of a middle-man. They are the second hand clothing equivalent of landlords.
Just for clarity, I see nothing wrong with selling your own clothes for profit if, for whatever reason, it is possible and desirable to do so, and that was not your original intention behind buying the clothes in the first place. Plenty of people have years of clothing that is still high quality enough to be sold as second hand, and I see nothing exploitative when this is simply on an individual basis.
That said, clothing is one of the most exploitative businesses in the world, with clothing prices high enough and these petit bourgeois app users only serve to the detriment of the interests of the majority of the British public by fuelling cost inflation and depriving those who need decent clothing the most - those who are unable to afford it. I understand that charity shops have plenty of clothes for all due to the lack of dearth in donations, particularly during and after COVID, however vendors like these often purchase what they believe to be the most likely to generate a profit, i.e., the most fashionable or highest quality or best in value. Their desire to accumulate capital exists in direct opposition to the purpose of charity shops: to help the needed. Instead, they treat charity shops as wholesalers for their clothing non-businesses and damage the comfort, appearance, and ultimately wallet of some of our society's most in need.
Does my head in, the people online who see something worth £100 at a car boot sale, they're asked for a fiver, and then haggle them down to get it for three quid!
You're making nearly a hundred quid man, just let em have the fiver, surely.
You can avoid the tax by not selling it for profit. Sell it for what you paid. We've been conditioned to think that an item is worth whatever people will pay for it, but it's really only worth whatever you sell it for.
Did I not just watch an hour long version of this, or was it a fever dream? There was talk of fighting lobsters in Fridges, so it could have been...
I think Ava was way off at the end. The story of someone buying a Burberry jacket for £10 and selling it for £1000 is just so rare and fanciful that its not worth mentioning
That was an extreme example, but the £1000 allowance is on gross income, so when eBay report the £1010 sale to HMRC you’ll be flagged for self assessment. It doesn’t matter if you paid £10 or £1000 pounds for the coat. Or if it came from a charity shop or your wardrobe. And it’s an annual allowance so you only have to sell £1001 worth of goods over the year to be flagged.
I think Ava missed the ball massively on the £1000 sales tax. Basically the only people who will be affected are scalpers (think PS5s and similar). The example of finding a £10 deal on a £900 jacket, is so extreme that it demonstrates how difficult a threshold it is to meet by chance. If you make £1000 profit reselling, you absolutely should pay tax on it. Such a strange strawman argument
But you only have to sell £1001 worth of stuff over the year to be flagged for self assessment. So it could mean a lot of people having to register for and fill in a tax return just to declare a tiny profit, or people just not bothering to sell their stuff because they don’t want the bother of self assessment. That’s where the harm is. If it means more stuff goes to charity shops then I guess that’s fine, but I suspect a lot will go to landfill instead
@@pete1942 I get the argument that the government, as usual, are doing anything they can to avoid taxing the wealthiest percentiles appropriately. I guess if you're selling things like furniture, electronics, or expensive instruments etc. it's likely to be included...
I think I might have jumped the gun just because the argument itself was pretty poor 😅 I saw a few articles on my professional network from accountants that argued it wouldn't impact the vast majority of people, but I'll concede the flagging for self assessment point. It would also be pretty brutal if you need to keep receipts and evidence for all expensive things you own just incase you sell them later down the line...
it's a very simple and short online form these days @@pete1942, especially when you only have to put a couple of things on it, and they'll notify you beforehand. Also, sell it for cost and the form gets even simpler (0 profit on everything)
Ava: “he had it up and I was like wow 😯 “ (pause 😂)
Oli: “that is good 😮”
Ed: “it became a weird sex thing”. 2:29
43:12 I get what Ava is saying: you get proceeds from selling an item that you own as second-hand (and you’re not running a second-hand clothes business), that money _is_ “income”-but it _could_ be exempt from taxable income (or an exception to taxable income) as a matter of environmental policy because that’s a form of re-use. (There’s no additional carbon footprint as there would be if a new item were produced and someone bought it.) Just saying “It’s income” doesn’t address the policy issue.
Love the show but you guys really need to sort out the microphone hum/feedback/whatever that sound is buzzing away in the background of the whole episode
I love this podcast
I love this podcast, because you know you're getting real discussion of honest opinions. Let's face it, if you were going to manufacture a discourse, it wouldn't come out like this! (That's not meant as a dis!)
You are all getting that cold. It's like everyone had it over Christmas/New Year. Good luck Ed.
0:53 *Oli Dugmore:* Listeners of the podcast won't be familiar with the office politics of Ed's militancy when it comes to people who coming into the office who are sick. Maybe you should explain your position…
*Ed Campbell:* I think it's insane and selfish…
I absolutely agree. People who are sick _should stay home._ (That’s in principle. I realize in some places, such as the US, sick leave policies-or, really, the absence of sick leave-might make that very difficult for the person who is sick to stay home.)
[Adding:] _The Telegraph_ reports (8 Jan 2024):
“Parents will be told to stop the COVID-era practice of keeping children off school with sore throats and runny noses as part of a government push to tackle soaring absenteeism.”
It's not about geography, if you're hourly paid you are definitely going to work when you're sick. Might as well get paid when you feel awful. Think - people handling your food 👍🏾
On the tax thing anything over £1000 in sales has to be declared, not £1000 profit
Happy New Year gang
Ed’s next show, is liking woody Allen more or less acceptable at the highest town and is the UK full?
Could you cover all the party's political "plans/promises" and compare them like Pokémon cards... After the wonderful nonce waffle, obviously 😅
Would love to see Oli interview Grian Chatten and Loyle Carner this year on Unfiltered
Enjoy the banter from USA, Georgia.
Send Ed to the fishiest place in Britain
Tax is paid on profit/added value only, hence previous taxation not being relevant here, as you deduct this from purchasing cost… I think, please correct me if I’m wrong…
Oli is bang on, on Littler and the age gap.
Wrong is wrong
Ava's take on the climate policy tax in relation to selling or re-selling second-hand goods was very good.
I realised that it's weird hearing a Fraser Nelson accent saying nicer things.
43:01 Ava is wrong on this one. People should pay tax if they're making profit from buying and selling goods online, they should pay their taxes, as should Amazon, eBay etc.
Prison interview with Daniel Khaliffe when?
Surely you should go to the lowest place below sea level and ask about flooding? Where I live atm is being constantly flooded and I wonder whats being done about it
Right at the start: Ed sounded like the obvious answer sound on QI
I don't like to sound like one of the tin hat brigade but I was just reading about a high school shooting in Iowa, USA. It says there were multiple victims and that it happened at 7:40am US time. From my experience of school the caretaker would just be arriving to open the gate around that time, so how then was that school filled with students ?
Ava really didn’t like them disagreeing on the Depop tax thing!
Ava is defending robbing Caner Research of £990 then robbing the state of the tax that should be paid on those profits 😂😂
I don't want anyone's cold either
Watched Saltburn last night...... It is a very good film, though I was glad I'd eaten beforehand and not during.....😳
interview with Daniel Khaliffe when?
Agree Annie Hall, I love that film but I challenge you to get through 10 minutes of Manhatten without feeling unclean!
Strongly agree with Ed
Perfect thumbnail
Can we please get an earnest review of Saturn by this group
Ed finally getting his own back making spurious claims about Ava, Dragon Boi rises
Apropos of nothing, Burnistoun is the best comedy on television. Highly recommended.
is this a studenty place
I love Burnistoun - did we inadvertently reference on pod? -Ed
@@PoliticsJOE No, I have just watched a few episodes last night and a couple of clips on You Tube today. Someone who lives in Scotland says below the line that the mad uncles sketch is like a documentary, which is funny and I assume tongue in cheek! I once met a vet in the middle of nowhere in France who had taught himself English by reading novels and is a huge Burnistoun fan. I have never understood why it did not take off UK wide. The occasional Burnistoun reference in Politics Joe in 2024 would be fun. Keep up the good work and happy New Year!
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There’s still nae rolls the day in Burnistoun.
Could you cross reference the 50,000 people who listened to the LPs with the Epstein list? 🤣
When I lived in Japan we used to go karaoke with US marines from Yokota air base, and a lot of their songs were on the karaoke machines. The American and Japanese fans had no clue what had happened. It'd be interesting to see if the listeners on Spotify were mostly Brits
Thing I thought about with regards to taxing through selling old items on ebay what then becomes business deductibles? Do the new clothes you by to replace the ones you sold tax deductibles? How will hmrc define what is and isn't. Someone could by something now for £40 and then sell for £20 5 years down the line how will hmrc check this.
I know next to nothing about how ebay works, but would a simple solution not be to have the transaction take place on ebay's side? They increase their take of a sale by the amount required to cover the tax and pass it on to HMRC. The individual is still the one who's paid the tax, but ebay deals with the admin side of it.
I knew Ava would have a dreadful take on reseller tax
I read 'Oli feels inadequate' as 'Oil feels inadequate' like 5 times... Safe to say I was confused the conversation didn't turn to Saudi or something similar, for quite a while 😅 I need more sleep.
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ed is SOOO wrong about the depop tax. he's a flipping NUTTER, scarily easy to make 1000£ of profit on apps!!!
About the tax on Etsy sellers.. ed and Ollie your not seeing that skilled craftspeople on Etsy are spending a lot of there free time hand making things to make ends meet, this tax just damages people who need the money the most.. yous guys are usually way more thoughtful for the little guy.. but have been noticing a tilt to the centre with the channel, I hope you guys keep delivering journalism from the left
Hard disagree that the left position is that "skilled craftspeople" don't have to pay tax on the work they do. In fact I would say the position of low/no taxes (aka everyone for their own self interest) is the centrist/Tory position.
@@Surlish any one who buys of Etsy there money has already been taxed, so why should they be taxed again.. also how about the Tory gov taxing the big corporations over the people earning smaller amounts and spending what that have in the country unlike the rich just buying up assets
@ Ed - is that your Dad on the thumbnail for this video?
Ed can like clothes all he wants but he knows nothing about shoes. Par. Anyway regarding forget about clothes for a second. Collectable trading cards or even trainers you could resale later but now your getting mad tax. Sorry ed but your a neek here
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I lost my vgnty with 21year old at 16😊
DJ Erick Morillo same sort of conflict great artist lots of sexual assault allegations.
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About the tax: Ava is right, the boys are wrong. Any discouragement of a secondhand consumer goods market and clothes especially should not exist.
Ava shouldn't be shy about bringing up the point of the giant corps avoiding tax (specifically defined as not a crime when, in most cases, it should be). Oli's weak-ass "well they're not registered here..." is a horrible defence.
Just think of the cost of this! Jesus. I love taxes but private individuals who are trying to reduce waste shouldn't have any more, at least like this, levied on them
They absolutely should. They’re a business, any other business operating on their own platform would have to pay the tax, so why shouldn’t they pay on depop?
Olis defence is shit, but so is the defence that “well big businesses don’t pay their taxes so why should I pay mine?” - you should both be paying taxes.
@@j-wizzy You're right. Everyone, including businesses, should pay tax the correct taxes, of course. I was referring to the self assesment trigger for individuals as poorly implied by my 3rd paragraph.
I think the larger part of the story was the 1k trigger for everyone. Which is silly
Corporation tax is a problem but I think Ed's point that you need to make a grand in profit won't effect that many people
@@evileye6432 But it will affect those who already have little incentive to re-sell clothes. The sort of people buying hella expensive clothes will mostly have little incentive to re-sell and this deterrent feels capricious. Another example of laws shitting on poor/er/ individuals while ignoring egregious greed by more powerful entities.
I agree tax dodging is bad, but the threshold is ridiculously low. At 1k it's not catching any meaningful fraud, but will discourage resale and reuse, which just encourages more landfill and waste
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I normally really enjoy the pod, I like the humour and the little bits of politics covered. I like Ava. However, in my opinion, the stuff about pdfs went too far in the ep. It’s literally the next morning and I’ve come back to comment. The ‘lost prophets’ comments, after what Ian Watkins was convicted of? It was too far. Not funny. Watkins has victims who survived his illegal and traumatising acts. It could be construed you are laughing at those survivors. I got a bit of push back on live, ppl saying ‘lighten up’ and I can be ‘light’ and laugh but what these predators did to little vulnerable children and babies… what is ‘funny’ about that? It’s not politics as such, it’s not a joke at all. I really hope the pod will improve and be more self aware, less mocking and belittling of infant survivors and victims of violent crimes. Thanks.
When I was a 16 year old I had a relationship with a 29 year old lady, she was someone I met on a night out and I am now fine 🤭
usual Corbyn/Camden Council fan club meeting
If this ever becomes a primarily political podcast I'm going to stop listening. I can and I will!
I still regularly listen to the lost prophets. I like the music too much not to.
I came for the usual depraved filth but staid to be entertained by the little people discussing tax on their tiny earnings. Such fun.
Why bother coming to the comments if you’re just going to insult everyone 😂 go outside mate
You sad bastard, having money and watching TH-cam! Get out there and taste the world for us peasants.. because one day we will eat the rich or yous will be king of the ashes 🖕🏼
@@hollymcgugan4538 I'm immensely sorry that I've offended you, and can but offer a loud whoosh in recompense.
@@RandallSlick your negative comment shows your offended. Now fuck off
I think it's hardly the end of the world that young lad being 16 and his girlfriend 21 in a wider sense. Not the same exactly to some but 26-31 or 36-41 etc would be nothing at all. I would also add that the BBC used to send a car to pick up a 16 year old girl for Russell Brand and that was brushed off as being "legal". My personal opinion and preference in this case are just that I say get off the girls back as she is certainly not like Brand and Schofield !!
In Littler's girlfriend's defense, prove that fat, balding bloke Luke Littler is not 26 instead of 16.
He does not ever look 16.
I'm still furious with Ed for the ridiculous video he did about how successful multi culturalism is in Leicester. A city that had nightly race riots between Pakistani and Indian youths less than a year ago. A city which is divided from West to East on religious/racial grounds.
Do some content about the record numbers of legal and illegal immigration over the last two years, how the Tories have lied about immigration since David Camron's tenure and stop gaslighting working class people's legitimate concerns about it. The left need to provide direction or Reform will take the lead in the debate.
Still angry with Ed.
That's not the full story though, is it? You're not mentioning how public figures from the different cultures came together in calling out the riots, helping end them. And that video shows that the event isn't a spectre hanging over the city.
@@django3422 Clearly its hard to tell the whole story in one short TH-cam comment. But the self appointed community leaders you mention still needed three days to come to grips with the cultural/ethinic/sectarian violence in the Leicester community. Doesn't sound very successfully intergrated to me.
My point was that Ed's puff piece deliberately set out to suggest that public's concerns over the social/economic costs of accomodating large numbers of asylum seekers plus record levels of recent immigration (legal and illegal) were unfounded. He trivialised a very serious debate. Politics Joe shouldn't be doing it. It will be a major factor in the next general election and the left need to define what they have to offer to deal with it, not to simply ignore it and gaslight the many people who are justifiably concerned about it.
@@PWMoze Except the gaslighting is effectively what you're doing. People are telling you it's not their major concern but you're rejecting that and insisting that it is...
@@django3422 What people? The young African guy who thinks white people all imagine he likes rap music, the elderly Indian lady who wants Sunak to be more like Modhi, the young man who thinks everyone in the world has the right to seek their fortune in the UK, the man with the tattooed neck who can't imagine an ethnic group that might not share Western democratic liberal values? Of course they are not concerned, they are precisely the groups for whom immigration is not a concern: first or second generation immigrants.
I would suggest that as a demographic they are probably not the most suited to being the most objective. Their age or how recently they have arrived in the UK makes them less likely to have observed the long term changes that high levels of immigration may have brought to their own or any other local community.
But nevertheless they were treated with respect in the edit, while the two middle aged, bald white guys were edited to look as paranoid, reactionary and ill informed as possible, with the potential racist implications of anything they might have to say put in mind from the outset.
Its what's known as a stitch up. Its not balanced. The two white guys were gaslit, the others (even the mad old Indian lady) were not. Go back and have a look.
@@django3422 'People' are not saying that they are satisfied with levels of migration/numbers of asylum seekers/the failures of multiculturalism at all, only the carefully selected group chosen to be in the Ed's video.
In fact it is quite the contrary, and has been since the Cameron era and especially during the whole Brexit debate, which is why I am suggesting Ed's video was obviously biased.
People like Politics Joe need a frank and honest debate from the perspective of the left, not a puff piece saying "Everything's fine, nothing to see here...think about all them lovely restaraunts and move on"
Too much Ganja you guys. HOW do you expect anyone to take you seriously?
I feel like this podcast is not for you if you are looking for a serious programme.
Ah yes. Ava clearly giving the ‘lets take this seriously’ New Stateman vibes.
And I think you're right.
@@davepaterson935 oke cool. Byeee