The SLC 3.0 frame is not yet listed on Winspace's website. Not exactly sure why the decision for this. My guess is so they can do their usual marketing and press release rollout to the media folks. The frame should be up in a couple of weeks. Geometry will be similar to the outgoing SLC 2.0.
This new SLC is an excellent alternative for those looking for a traditional looking frameset. While the idea of benchmarking the SLC3 against the Tarmac SL8 is very ambitious, and probably unnecessary, I can understand Winspace's logic. The SL8 is one of the more popular frames on the market today. As a climbing bike this frame is very well refined. Kudos Winspace.
I have the previous generation Slc 2.0. You can definitely get that bike lighter. I built mine up as a pure climber because where I live is very hilly. Mine built up to 14.7 lbs. with the Lun shallow d38 carbon wheels and same bar. I’ve got about 5-6k miles on it now and it’s been a great bike. Very comfortable and a great climber.
Oh I should make a voting poll on my Instagram, asking people what should be a proper weight for a climbing bike! I'll get some interesting answers haha
@@PatrickLinoyeah 6.8 isn't very light. I have a gravel bike with 45mm tires and cromo saddle, alloy bars and stem and alloy flats and bottle cages that weighs 7.5 kg, that's with 50mm deep wheels too. Just changing those to carbon would make my chunky gravel bike lighter than your climbing bike with almost double the tire clearance and rubber! And my frame is 59 cm
Nice build and once again. Great video. I have ridden climbing bikes almost all of my life. 😂 Since I moved from aluminum to carbon frame. But now I'm moving on and I'm going for an aero bike. I don't know if I'm gonna like it or not. I went for a Merida Reacto. Don't have it yet. But I ordered it. Time will tell. 😁 Ride safe 🙏🏽 greetings from Curaçao 🇨🇼 ✌🏽
Hey Rodolfo - No problems at all. Same on my Winspace T1500 frame. Even aligning the calipers only took about 10 minutes. No creaking press fit bottom bracket. Winspace does a fantastic job on fit/finish quality.
Great review ! Since you tested both the slc3 and the yoeleo r12, which are both frames i'm looking at, how would you say the two compares ? Obviously the yoeleo is a bit more aero oriented, while the winspace is lighter and more expensive. But for an all around bike, how would you say the two frame compare while riding ?
Thanks for watching! While the Yoeleo R12 is an aero bike, the dynamics felt more endurance than race. This isn't a terrible thing if both speed and responsiveness aren't the absolute priorities. Plus it's quite cheaper. The SLC is snappier and you can always use a set of deep aero wheels to regain any aerodynamics loss to its climbing bike design. Personally I prefer the look of the Yoeleo R12. The SLC3 feels more like a modern western bike. If you're in the USA and need a size 56, I have the R12 frame for sale haha.
@@PatrickLino thanks for the feedback, would have been a nice opportunity haha, unfortunately I'm neither in the USA nor am I quite as tall as you :p probably going to wait for some black Friday or Christmas sale to decide
This is a fantastic question, one I forgot to address. These wheels are slightly more comfortable because they don't feel as stiff as the Hyper 2. And the wider internal width means lower PSI. Also means acceleration under hard load could be affected too. I absolutely love the Hyper 2 because they offered a better balance of stiff/comfort.
Great overview! Is the frame compatible with a mechanical groupset- is there space for four cables through the headtube? And could a traditional stem and handlebar combo be installed
So I run a hydraulic brake, mechanic shifting groupset on my T1500. It's extremely tight. This SLC does not appear to have the proper exit port positioning for mechanical.
@@PatrickLino thats cool. Theres a song by him that i absolutely love. And for the life of me i cant remember the name of it. Driving me nuts! Cant find it on hits cause he had a hundred of them. Between him and Herbie Hancock, fusion was made mainstream. Both artists completely changed game. And made metal heads like me think 'damn, thats bad ass'
Man was on a mission from God, for sure. Theres a song by Chic Correa, John Patitucci, and Dave Weckl. Its called 'Got a Match' Man! Check that shit out if you haven't heard it. Its an ass ripper!
There’s a concern that straight pull spoke with no retainer will detach from the hub when experiencing sudden loss of tension. But hopefully all gors well with you
Their marketing should have been a more agressive aethos for those that love to climb with a bit of areo flair. I like the idea of this bike. I hope thier next bike mixes what theyve learned from this one and the t1550 gen 2 and truely makes an SL8 competitor. Just like specialized took lessons from the aethos, sl7/sl6, and venge to make a well designed SL8.
🤔.. thanks much .. because I have the Hyper 2023 D67s right now and I love them .. they’re super fast and was thinking of another set for climbing and or with flats
I doubt it. UDH has to be originally designed in the frame itself. Apparently you can put an adapter on a UDH frame to have a « classic » derailleur hanger but not the other way around. It sucks ´cos I exactly want to do that on my ENVE MELEE 1x but it seems impossible. 1x with 13s for road would be the dream
@@SamuelBlackMetalRiderwow great minds think alike. I have been lusting over this hypothetical build thinking I was the only one. The Parlee does what I want pretty close with the udh integration but I don’t like that they use a weird seatpost. The great thing about the bike in this video and the enve melee is that with a 27.2 you can run a dropper seatpost
@@theinstigatorr proprietary D shape seatpost on the Melee: th-cam.com/video/OxbYeB9F8_o/w-d-xo.htmlsi=TANPx8EqXTHV3RSc 👀 I’m running 46t front & 10/36 back and it can do almost everything. If I could put that 13th bigger 46t in the back? PERFECTION
Patrick, How do you define "Refined"? What carbon is the frame made with, T800 and T1000? I have the SLC 2.0. As you mentioned, I wish the front brake cable was able to be internally routed. I am contemplating upgrading to the SLC 3.0. I'm much older than you and need all the help I can get. My build: (less $$$$ than the Aethos S-Works and Pro) Dura Ace group and crankset 52/36 11-34 Assioma pedals Two bottle cages KOM Garmin mount Easton Handle bar Omni racer BB86 and stem (out of Texas) BALUGOE Carbon Ultralight Road Bike Saddle 110g 9Velo 35 wheelset 7.2 kg
@@PatrickLino Do you know what level of carbon fiber is being used for the frame? Do you do your own builds? Was it hard to feed the brake line through the head tube and frame? Did you weigh the components, frame, seatpost, fork? Do the component's weights match the Winspace claimed weights? What parameters do you use for choosing the frame size?
@@jkotsche7035 Welcome to my channel. Happy are you here! I have been building all my own bikes for the past 4 years. Everything from $500 Velobuild frames to $3500 Tarmac SL8 frames. And everything in between. Please check out my older videos on previous bike builds. I think I've done about 15 bikes now, That will give you a good sense of the questions you are asking about above. Videos and reviews on each frame. Thanks for watching!
@@PatrickLinogotta change that previous gen FORCE crankset. You can shave 200g moving to SRAM RED (even the D1 gen) and any Alugear/Garbaruk/PassQuest direct mount chainring. Also the cassette. Big savings there to be made
Heavier than my Elite Drive 50s that cost 1000 Dollars with a code. Dont see any upside on the Hyper ones. 23 vs 21 internal width doesnt motivate me to spend 700 $ more.
I have a request. If you were to get your hands on hyper3 d67 would you share the widest rim width. Wanted to see how it stands to 105 rule, winspace never replied me on this.
28.4 at the widest. Technically a 28c tire that stretches to 30 at the rim means it would fall outside the 105 rule. However, modern testing has shown that the 105 rule doesn't really hold up. YMMV
@@PatrickLino would you mind directing me to the test you read? wanted to understand better myself, i know winspace tested their wheels at JP aero facility but didn't disclose wheel size used. thanks!😀
@@pskonejott2568 Howdy. What is it you really want to know truthfully? I think clarifying your needs openly will help get the information you're looking for. Thanks! ❤
With pedals and cages it's around 16 lbs yes people that is a very light bike. With any stupid light parts. People like to talk. Without spending 10k plus very impressive build.
I've a Winspace SLC 2.0 (rim brake) that weights 6.6 kg (14.6 lbs) with pedals, bottle cages, GPS support... You can build those bikes dirt cheap with mechanical groupsets (lighter and more affordable). It's a climbing machine!
I was 185lbs when I started cycling 4 years ago. Then dropped to 160 by the end of summer, but had no power at all. These days I'm around 170 which feels like the "correct" weight for my fitness and style of riding.
There’s a concern that straight pull spoke with no retainer will detach from the hub when experiencing sudden loss of tension. But hopefully all gors well with you
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The SLC 3.0 frame is not yet listed on Winspace's website. Not exactly sure why the decision for this. My guess is so they can do their usual marketing and press release rollout to the media folks. The frame should be up in a couple of weeks. Geometry will be similar to the outgoing SLC 2.0.
Brother no disrespect but if you really want to be an influencer know the basics of cycling. 27.2.
@@edwardtsilker1204 Tell me all the basics of cycling. Every one of them. Your opinion is extremely valuable.
Love it big boy.
Love you tooooooo!
Doesn't matter how thin the tubes on the frame are, aero wheels are a must. best looking bike i ever had was my old steel bike with 88s
"aero wheels are a must" - This is all I need to hear from trusty friend Galen!
This new SLC is an excellent alternative for those looking for a traditional looking frameset. While the idea of benchmarking the SLC3 against the Tarmac SL8 is very ambitious, and probably unnecessary, I can understand Winspace's logic. The SL8 is one of the more popular frames on the market today. As a climbing bike this frame is very well refined. Kudos Winspace.
SLC stands for Super Light Climber. The name says it all!
Great to see standard 27.2 seatpost used on high end frames! GOT TO SAVE MONEY WEREVER POSSIBLE!
SAVE YOUR MONEY!
Great video - covered all the points we wanted to know and no filler !
@@gren509 thanks Gren!
I have the previous generation Slc 2.0. You can definitely get that bike lighter. I built mine up as a pure climber because where I live is very hilly. Mine built up to 14.7 lbs. with the Lun shallow d38 carbon wheels and same bar. I’ve got about 5-6k miles on it now and it’s been a great bike. Very comfortable and a great climber.
Wicked build mate 🫶
Thank you kind sir!
Love your videos Patrick. But IMO anything heavier than 6.8 kg shouldn’t be labeled a climbing bike. Although that is a sharp looking bike.
Oh I should make a voting poll on my Instagram, asking people what should be a proper weight for a climbing bike! I'll get some interesting answers haha
@@PatrickLinoyeah 6.8 isn't very light. I have a gravel bike with 45mm tires and cromo saddle, alloy bars and stem and alloy flats and bottle cages that weighs 7.5 kg, that's with 50mm deep wheels too. Just changing those to carbon would make my chunky gravel bike lighter than your climbing bike with almost double the tire clearance and rubber! And my frame is 59 cm
Meh…my 10 kilos gravel bike climbs better and faster than my 7kg road bike. It is all about the gearing..😂
Watching from the 🇵🇭
The love looks beautiful and looks so Fast. Wish I had that bike..
Keep on uploading this kind of videos.
thank yooou!
Thanks for the video 👌🏻 Could you tell me the exact size of the frame please? You say large size 56 but there are 53 L or 55 XL 🤔
Size L - Full specs and frame geometry is now available on Winspace's website 👍🏾
Nice build and once again. Great video.
I have ridden climbing bikes almost all of my life. 😂
Since I moved from aluminum to carbon frame.
But now I'm moving on and I'm going for an aero bike. I don't know if I'm gonna like it or not.
I went for a Merida Reacto.
Don't have it yet. But I ordered it.
Time will tell. 😁
Ride safe 🙏🏽 greetings from Curaçao 🇨🇼 ✌🏽
Send me pic bro when you receive your frame!
Great review
When I move to a city thats more bike friendly, I'll consider getting a beast of a bike like this or tackling a 1rst build
Thanks for watching!
Nice bike yo. Much respect from the Southside of Chicago.
Ayyyye I appreciate the support. Thanks bro. Northside over here lol
Did you have any build problems ? Like rubbing spacers, bottom bracket problems, headset…
The bike looks amazing
Hey Rodolfo - No problems at all. Same on my Winspace T1500 frame. Even aligning the calipers only took about 10 minutes. No creaking press fit bottom bracket. Winspace does a fantastic job on fit/finish quality.
@@PatrickLino thanks for answering. Love the channel
This SLC 3.0 is 1 real hot looking package ❤
The proportions are really good ❤️
Great review ! Since you tested both the slc3 and the yoeleo r12, which are both frames i'm looking at, how would you say the two compares ? Obviously the yoeleo is a bit more aero oriented, while the winspace is lighter and more expensive. But for an all around bike, how would you say the two frame compare while riding ?
Thanks for watching! While the Yoeleo R12 is an aero bike, the dynamics felt more endurance than race. This isn't a terrible thing if both speed and responsiveness aren't the absolute priorities. Plus it's quite cheaper. The SLC is snappier and you can always use a set of deep aero wheels to regain any aerodynamics loss to its climbing bike design. Personally I prefer the look of the Yoeleo R12. The SLC3 feels more like a modern western bike. If you're in the USA and need a size 56, I have the R12 frame for sale haha.
@@PatrickLino thanks for the feedback, would have been a nice opportunity haha, unfortunately I'm neither in the USA nor am I quite as tall as you :p probably going to wait for some black Friday or Christmas sale to decide
Do you think the wheels are any more comfortable than the previous generation? And what about stiffness on them?
This is a fantastic question, one I forgot to address. These wheels are slightly more comfortable because they don't feel as stiff as the Hyper 2. And the wider internal width means lower PSI. Also means acceleration under hard load could be affected too. I absolutely love the Hyper 2 because they offered a better balance of stiff/comfort.
aww man, your videos make me want to fly over to the USA for a ride through Chicago!
@@ollien3359 let’s goooo!
That bike is sick looking!!
Black is the new black!
Great overview!
Is the frame compatible with a mechanical groupset- is there space for four cables through the headtube?
And could a traditional stem and handlebar combo be installed
So I run a hydraulic brake, mechanic shifting groupset on my T1500. It's extremely tight. This SLC does not appear to have the proper exit port positioning for mechanical.
The SLC 2.0 is an option. Not much written about that bike but my friend have it. Definitely look good.
ce vélo est très beau , et les performances font rougir certains Italiens , félicitations pour cet achat , have fun bro
Thank you sir!
Sunshine of my life!! Love it 😊 Sic bike dude!!!!!
Did you see the braille on the album cover? 👀
@@PatrickLino thats cool. Theres a song by him that i absolutely love. And for the life of me i cant remember the name of it. Driving me nuts! Cant find it on hits cause he had a hundred of them. Between him and Herbie Hancock, fusion was made mainstream. Both artists completely changed game. And made metal heads like me think 'damn, thats bad ass'
@@universe-juice I think about all the musicians those dudes inspired. Incredible.
Man was on a mission from God, for sure. Theres a song by Chic Correa, John Patitucci, and Dave Weckl. Its called 'Got a Match' Man! Check that shit out if you haven't heard it. Its an ass ripper!
Took them cage bolts out huh... love it, looks sick
haha every gram (or lack of) counts 🤣
Awesome build and video
Thank you!!
There’s a concern that straight pull spoke with no retainer will detach from the hub when experiencing sudden loss of tension. But hopefully all gors well with you
Are you personally concerned?
Great video as usual.
Many thanks!
That bike looks siiiiiiiccckkkk!!!
Agreeeeed.
Still need your 2024 wheel showdown!
Fall 2024!
@@PatrickLino 🙌🙌
Great review 😊
Thank you!
I will buy the tarmac sl 8, it exceeds this bike in every way, comfort and speed. Only cost is the con
The Tarmac SL8 costs over $1500 USD more than the SLC3. It should perform better. As an owner of the SL8...
Good review. Thx!
Thanks for watching!
Their marketing should have been a more agressive aethos for those that love to climb with a bit of areo flair. I like the idea of this bike. I hope thier next bike mixes what theyve learned from this one and the t1550 gen 2 and truely makes an SL8 competitor. Just like specialized took lessons from the aethos, sl7/sl6, and venge to make a well designed SL8.
This is a well thought out and reasonable comment. I really hope Winspace reads this and takes note. Thanks for chiming in.
SL8 are aero optimized for high speeda (45kph+) and below this speeds is słower than SL7
@@Pablo_Coach Interesting...
Very cool, feel free to link some articles always love to read about the nerdy aero stuff 😊 @@Pablo_Coach
I don’t see this frame on their website has it been released?
Not yet
But Patrick wouldn’t that 30mm 28 tires work against aero with only 28.4 mm internal ??
the 105% rule has recently been debunked. It's going to be insignificant.
@@PatrickLinobecause I’m thinkin of getting the same Hyper 3 D45 but don’t want it to be like a light bulb 🤷🏽♂️. So you think it’s still ok ?
My bad I meant 28.4mm EXTERNAL
@@cyrilmartinez523 100% not a light bulb my friend, as you can see in the video.
🤔.. thanks much .. because I have the Hyper 2023 D67s right now and I love them .. they’re super fast and was thinking of another set for climbing and or with flats
It looks really REALLY like Canyon’s ULTIMATE more than anything.
How much longer are the Winspace one piece bar/stem combo Patrick over a conventional stem for eg your sworks stem?
About 10mm longer than a conventional stem measured at the same length.
looks sick
If I wanted to get this bike with a SRAM udh derailleur hanger so I can run SRAM 1x with their new gravel group set would that be possible?
Might be best to contact Winspace. I don't know how derailleur hanger cross compatibility works, sorry.
I doubt it. UDH has to be originally designed in the frame itself. Apparently you can put an adapter on a UDH frame to have a « classic » derailleur hanger but not the other way around. It sucks ´cos I exactly want to do that on my ENVE MELEE 1x but it seems impossible. 1x with 13s for road would be the dream
@@SamuelBlackMetalRiderwow great minds think alike. I have been lusting over this hypothetical build thinking I was the only one. The Parlee does what I want pretty close with the udh integration but I don’t like that they use a weird seatpost. The great thing about the bike in this video and the enve melee is that with a 27.2 you can run a dropper seatpost
@@theinstigatorr proprietary D shape seatpost on the Melee: th-cam.com/video/OxbYeB9F8_o/w-d-xo.htmlsi=TANPx8EqXTHV3RSc 👀 I’m running 46t front & 10/36 back and it can do almost everything. If I could put that 13th bigger 46t in the back? PERFECTION
Patrick,
How do you define "Refined"?
What carbon is the frame made with, T800 and T1000?
I have the SLC 2.0. As you mentioned, I wish the front brake cable was able to be internally routed.
I am contemplating upgrading to the SLC 3.0.
I'm much older than you and need all the help I can get.
My build: (less $$$$ than the Aethos S-Works and Pro)
Dura Ace group and crankset 52/36 11-34
Assioma pedals
Two bottle cages
KOM Garmin mount
Easton Handle bar
Omni racer BB86 and stem (out of Texas)
BALUGOE Carbon Ultralight Road Bike Saddle 110g
9Velo 35 wheelset
7.2 kg
Refinement is a feeling of riding dynamics out on the road.
@@PatrickLino So it's subjective.
@@jkotsche7035 what is it you really want to ask me? I’m here to help!
@@PatrickLino Do you know what level of carbon fiber is being used for the frame?
Do you do your own builds?
Was it hard to feed the brake line through the head tube and frame?
Did you weigh the components, frame, seatpost, fork? Do the component's weights match the Winspace claimed weights?
What parameters do you use for choosing the frame size?
@@jkotsche7035 Welcome to my channel. Happy are you here! I have been building all my own bikes for the past 4 years. Everything from $500 Velobuild frames to $3500 Tarmac SL8 frames. And everything in between. Please check out my older videos on previous bike builds. I think I've done about 15 bikes now, That will give you a good sense of the questions you are asking about above. Videos and reviews on each frame. Thanks for watching!
Nice bike!
Thank you!
When are the aero bottles selling? You should try Trek's new aero bottles to see if you save some watts.
"When are the aero bottles selling?" - clarify this question.
@@PatrickLino just joking as to when will aliexpress would be selling something similar to trek's aero bottles.
Hi P It’s not on their website and
Is the geometry the same as the specialised SL8
Soon come for the public.
What is the max tire width clearance for the frame?
32
How this bike compare to new Madone ?
I haven’t ridden a Madone
Which one is better compared to giant TCR ?
Haven’t ridden the TCR sorry. I have the Propel.
If the seatpost clamp was hidden, it'd be perfect. IMO, it just looks a little old school nowadays.
@@WhatTheFlipOfficial I like it. Plus you can use aftermarket clamps that come in a variety of different colors.
Nice looking bike however pretty average weight especially for a "climbing" bike.
The frame weighs 800 grams
@@PatrickLinogotta change that previous gen FORCE crankset. You can shave 200g moving to SRAM RED (even the D1 gen) and any Alugear/Garbaruk/PassQuest direct mount chainring. Also the cassette. Big savings there to be made
@@PatrickLino Riders ride a bike not just a frame!!!
@@gavinsenior4795 I ride frame only!
Give me an 8.5 kilos bike 46-33/30 front to 36 cassette and watch me dissapear in the distance 😂😂😂 Gearing is WAAAAAY more important than weight.
The colour scheme of your shorts should be on the frame. I want colourful frames 🎉😊
Hahaha now that’s an idea. Reminds me of my T1500 color
Stevie 🙌
Heavier than my Elite Drive 50s that cost 1000 Dollars with a code. Dont see any upside on the Hyper ones. 23 vs 21 internal width doesnt motivate me to spend 700 $ more.
The hubs, but not worth 700 😂
I LOVE my Hyper gen 2 wheels.
Stevie the funkmaster.
Favorite Stevie song? And go....
@PatrickLino How can anyone pick one? A masterpiece amongst a gamut of masterpieces. A true genius.
BTW, love the stealth frame.
Great content!
Thanks Mitch!
I have a request. If you were to get your hands on hyper3 d67 would you share the widest rim width. Wanted to see how it stands to 105 rule, winspace never replied me on this.
28.4 at the widest. Technically a 28c tire that stretches to 30 at the rim means it would fall outside the 105 rule. However, modern testing has shown that the 105 rule doesn't really hold up. YMMV
@@PatrickLino would you mind directing me to the test you read? wanted to understand better myself, i know winspace tested their wheels at JP aero facility but didn't disclose wheel size used. thanks!😀
@@pskonejott2568 Howdy. What is it you really want to know truthfully? I think clarifying your needs openly will help get the information you're looking for. Thanks! ❤
like the beard you should keep it
8 months and counting.
That fork clearance tho..😂
I know right!? Can probably fit 38c tires 🤣
@@PatrickLino Just saw on their website that they position it as do-it-all frame, so more generous clearance makes sense.
With pedals and cages it's around 16 lbs yes people that is a very light bike. With any stupid light parts. People like to talk. Without spending 10k plus very impressive build.
This man gets it!
@@PatrickLino I spent way too much on mine to get just under 16 lbs with everything on it.
I've a Winspace SLC 2.0 (rim brake) that weights 6.6 kg (14.6 lbs) with pedals, bottle cages, GPS support... You can build those bikes dirt cheap with mechanical groupsets (lighter and more affordable). It's a climbing machine!
Can you install 37cc tires? Great vid.
Stevie Wonder can see ill die on this hill
Dude I just noticed this LP cover has braille on it! Talk about attention to detail.
3:47 - Like Stevie wonder, no I cant.
Hello brother, I am an official staff member of Pass Quest. I saw that you are using our disc. Can you share your feelings
It works as intended ❤
Helmet colour 😂😂😂
No comment hahaha
Quanto sei alto che taglia hai preso saluti dall’Italia
183cm / Size large ❤️
@@PatrickLino si ma size large quale la 550?
The year is 2035 and we are now weighting bikes without handlebars....
Or frames...
Costo totale della bici in euro
Are you blood type O? mosquitos...
Bloode type B...for black.
How much price Continental?
Come again?
@@PatrickLino yes sure
😂😂😂
is it me or standing next to that skinny frame is making you look beefy
I was 185lbs when I started cycling 4 years ago. Then dropped to 160 by the end of summer, but had no power at all. These days I'm around 170 which feels like the "correct" weight for my fitness and style of riding.
Seems more like a TCR than anything else
Also an acceptable answer haha
shill
I'm the biggest one on TH-cam!
Your audience is American yet you refuse to give a bike weight in pounds. Sad. 😞
@@IronHorsey3 Thanks for watching. Every single view helps the algorithm.
Entitled?
I’m from Aus, KG is a big 👍 Pat .. Love your work buddy 👌
@@NotElvis Be nice to IronHorsey3 lol
There’s a concern that straight pull spoke with no retainer will detach from the hub when experiencing sudden loss of tension. But hopefully all gors well with you