NEW! LUN HYPER D67 3.0 *23mm internal rim width*
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I would love to hear your thoughts on these wheels, I think they have come a long way from there original design and also I love the new look of the non butterfly weave, but the price raise does it make them the wheel of choice??? I am excited to see how the wheels perform with the new inner width 23mm. Let me know if you have any questions at all and if you are interested in the wheels feel free to use the discount code for 10 percent off "gcperformance10" at checkout
I think the price increase is a little bit of greed mixed with delusion. Winspace are not quite there with there brand in the west so bumping price up to compete with more well know western brands is not a good move in my opinion.
I have CRW 50/60 and they are far lighter. Should be $1400/1500 wheel market is saturated so much better offerings out there for the money.
Super expensive, even their 2.0 are super expensive now. I think their prices will soon go down, not because of competition from Europe or USA, but because of bigger competition from China. Also, saving of 2.2 watts at 48kph/30mph is so puny, it is not worth the mention.
A lot will depend on the aero data/ride reviews. So far with this set it looks like they actually have seen some aerotesting. Other than PT's tests I am not sure the previous generation did or the CRW's. You have to ask what the go is if brands like Swissside/DT Swiss leverage all their F1 gained engineering knowledge, are out performed by brands the perhaps just ran a few CFD models. Is there a decreased margin somewhere that allows CRW to go lower on weight and spoke counts that other brands both chinese and western won't go to or do they just have better control of the manufacturing process being a Chinese based company?
Not on my list anymore! Sorry, winspace, you've lost it!
All these chinese brands are getting greedy. Winspace have shot themselves in the foot with this price increase.
Roval Bontrager Reserve wheels made in china by these chinese brands and over 3k... who's greedy??
Yeah this was not the move Winspace....CRWs look more appealing for the price.
CRW?
@@Aiden.K Panda Podium CRW CS5060 wheels weigh 1300g though they have a 21mm internal instead of these having 23mm
Based on all my wheels with 23mm internal width, a 28C Continental GP5000 will balloon out to 30mm measured at the tire. These wheels only have a 28.4mm external width. I'm curious why didn't Winspace opt for 30mm external for better wheel to tire transition.
They haven’t heard of the 105% rule from
@@SamuelBlackMetalRiderWhile can’t imagine this being aerodynamically optimized, at least a tire wider than the wheel will protect the wheel LoL
@@PatrickLino some rims with 28mm outer actually have a 30mm wider point. The 28mm is measured at the edges of the rim. And some curve up to 30mm. That’s what I have on my LIGHTBICYCLE on my Venge (gotta upload that Bike check video I shot a year ago!) but still following the 105% rule the rim should be 32mm maximum width for 30mm tires
My thoughts exactly. These should be 32mm at least if they want to keep up with all the others.
bomani PE
I get Winspace has been getting more reputable throughout the years but I would say they’re getting too comfortable charging at the prices they’re charging. I feel like if you’re paying that much a lot of consumers will say “I might as well get a big name brand instead at this point.”
Similar Wheelset with ceramic bearing, carbon spokes, wider rim are 3x the price. Low tier Rovals are about 2k.
For that price, I’ll take the CRW’s
this is why joe at panda podium left winspace
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Velo9 with great hubs cost less than 1000 USD, with promo code around 900. If you want more internal width, go for Velo9 gravel wheelset, 25/26 mm internal width, 45 mm depth, and only 1350 grams. That's without carbon spokes, and good for 15 cm jumps.
I will attest to this. My 9velo gravel rims are awesome and I plan on buying a second set for my road bike to run 32mm contis
@@604idan Same here what a bargain and great performance
Sadly, they have become too expensive to consider.
The irony with Winspace’s pricing of the new wheels is that in some of their recent social media advertising, they point out and attempt to capitalize on the fact that bicycle industry prices have become so inflated! Maybe the new version 3’s should be renamed HYPO-CRIT”.
In terms of pricing, China has been experiencing deflation for a couple of years so in fact, prices should be coming down not going up. I have a feeling that many Chinese companies are going to start pricing themselves out of business.
I honestly dont even believe deflation exists, I wish It was going on over here but I figure once the government and companies see people paying more for things they wil keep the prices up no matter what
Farsports offer a much better value proposition for their carbon spoke wheels with in-house hubs. I have a set of Lun Hyper 23 wheels and I like them a lot, but I wouldn’t pay $1,699 for the new version 3’s even with a 10% discount.
I've got a set of the new Elite Wheels Helix 68Ds and they cost $1599. They basically have the same specs interms of spoke thinkness and by the looks of it they have the same bearings and weigh less and for the same money, I can buy Bora WTOs.
For $1700, you're only really getting a wider internal rim width and a heavier wheel in comparison.
FYI - Im in Asia at the moment and the rachet hub is pretty much everywhere and I have a wheel set that has 3.3mm carbon spokes, exact same bearings and hub (52t), 21mm internal, 50mm deep and a 5 year warrenty and they cost me less than $800. I cant see where the extra $1000 is coming in.
I think that with the new products being released out of China, their prices are pushing their products into the range of equipment that is being used in world tour races.
IE: Reserve 52/63 w/DT350 hubs cost $1799.
I think that China wheels as fantastic as the top tier stuff is, they should stay in the $1000 - $1500 range. That is their niche and their niche is the appealing price.
Im not hating on Chinese wheels or frames, I exclusively recommend Chinese frames and wheels to everyone asking about upgrading or wanting to get into the sport. I love Chinese products from the top players in the game.
yea they are getting in price territory of entry level wheels or also used premium products, these wheels are amazing products by all means but there is too much competition at this price point
I'll stick with Elitewheels as my Chinese provider for the moment. 1700 is what I make in 3 months 😅.
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I have a pair of LUN Hyper R45 Rim brake and have been using them for over seven months now. They have been great, no issues at all. I bought them on a Black Friday special, so I'm especially pleased with the price as well. As for the sparse grease found in the free hub during the video, if I was servicing the hub I would be more generous with the grease, however, the ratchet wheels are the only part of the hub that moves so functionally there would be no issues with the ratcheting of the hub and worst case it would need servicing sooner. Also, the bearings are sealed so no grease is needed on the exposed bearing. I'm so happy with my LUN wheels that I will very likely buy a pair of the Hyper3's for my next bike. Obviously a promotion like Black Friday would sweeten the deal, but the discount code in the video is a pretty good start. I went to the websites of the wheels mentioned in the comments and saw none of them that were 23mm internal width. Seems like if a person is going to buy a new set of wheels, getting the most advanced available is a good move.
yea I mean the discount code brings them back down into 1500 realm and also if you are looking for the new 23mm trend and more comfort then this is the way to go
Everyone had to know once they started sponsoring a world tour level team, they werent going to move up in price. They are reliable, have 80 shops centers is the usa, and are well known. I think the chinese market alone is enough to keep them busy and selling wheels. I have 2 road sets, and 1 gravel set. I know are lighter, but these giys make a trusted product.
yea I mean thats the reason why we chose to eb a dealer for there products as well, there products were premium at the budget price point and consumers loved the result but it is hard to stock there product now when they are the same price of our other vendors plus there shipping for us is expensive
Please do a comparison test between CRW and Hyper 🙏🏼 thank you
Price is to high ,I have previous version amazing wheels but cant see me to pay extra 500$ for it , will probably buy CRW instead
In my opinion, the aesthetics are great. Their quality reputation is well established. The quality and components are a very good match for the 'name brands', as is the 'technology'. The price to me reflects the product, in the market today. Summary NICE wheels, but perhaps CRW still has the edge
Well said!
That's good they've increased the internal rim width. That was the only issue I had with my old winspace wheelset.
@GCPerformance18 any Idea why not 25mm internal width like ENVE wheels? Any performance gains between 23mm and 25mm internal width?
I dont know, 25 is big and i think your going to see companies battle for what is the best performance on there, at a certain point you are going to make high end road wheels into gravel wheels with massive 32 tires on there, I think they are trying to find the best balance on there
They were good for quality/price combo, but not anymore.
I own 1 gen of Hypers.
I have the 45 and the 67 I don't see the need to update. Looks good
My gen 1 hpyer rim brake wheels that I've had for 3 years have had to be trued about 4 times now. Not sure if that's normal with any wheels, but I'll be looking somewhere else for my next set. Especially at this price.
I'm getting true with the hyper rim 50 now, low responsive wheel when hard pedaling or sprinting.I think its coming from the spokes.How was your wheels like?
@@cantgofast My rear wheel was not straight, not sure how it got like that. They adjust some spokes, I had to buy spare spokes from winspace and my mechanic replaced the bad spokes. I also just replaced rear freehub as well with replacement from the winspace website, super smooth again! My old hub was worn out, by putting a lot of power down, and had some marks on the body from the chainrings.
I love my Gen 2 D67's, but with the price increase, I'd probably be going with Zipp or Enve just for the local dealer support at this point.
I have a set of the original Hyper 50s, they are a great wheel .. 28k on them & still run perfectly well. Love the new upgrades & looks but not their crazy overloaded price tag 😢
I would have liked to know if the spokes locked in position to prevent twist. At the hub flange and rim. And that they didn't contact where they cross.
All spokes contact at their crossing points. The size of the hub flange and whether the nipples are at the rim bed or if they're external nipples like on this wheelset will determine the angle.
Not worth it
I crashed my first gen hyper and I wrote it off as a loss. I spent a little more on Zipp in case of that happening again. These would standout if they were 29 outer and 23 inner rim break wheels on the market which will make them one of a kind but they went away from that old tech too like the big brands.
Have you heard if this type of wheels are taking market shares from big names as the quality has increased so much ??
So you get a $1700 wheelset that immediately needs to be serviced with grease🤷🏻♂️
yea I mean grease but yes this is true
And 99 % ppl dont open and look for this before use also. Ppl assume they are ready to roll.
I'm still enjoying my 2nd gen R45 Hyper wheels that I've purchased for 1,200 USD, worth IMO, I'm looking to Buy another set but 1,700 is too much, I'd be happy with buying the 2nd gen but those are a little too pricey as well now, it's disappointing, I may have to look elsewhere.
Hey buddy,
I own two pairs of wheels: a Fulcrum Racing Zero carbon Disk 30mm and Campagnolo Bora WTO Disk 45 mm. Do you really believe that these Chinese wheels (Winspace, Elite, Craftwork, Farsports,...) are up to the task and in terms of quality, performance, efficiency, guarantee... Only Italian wheels? Thank you for your attention.
kind regards.
Alain
yes, I have been pretty much only running china wheels now for the past year, with no issues on them.... the brands are becoming much bigger and have great support and the tech behind whatever wheel you are looking at is what is popular in the grand tours, I promise you whatever brand wheel yopu are looking at they are a nice quality... winspace, elite, craft works, 9velo are all good wheel options
Christ. I can't keep up with all these new carbon wheels since I bought the original hypers a few years ago. Looks like chinese wheel companies have gotten too comfortable with pricing. I'd rather get mainstream wheels that offer lifetime warranty for the same price.
yea they are pumping them out every year it seems
people are complaining about the price increase and saying then for that money they can buy big western named brands... what they dont see is, the quality of those wheels. Winspace have been always top of the range wheels quality wise. And yes, they are pricey but atleast, they have the quality to back up the prices, although below 1400€/$ would still be fine. Enve/Zipp/Princeton etc. are not better quality wise
Let's go CRW bois
I'm sure these are good, but that's a lot for Chinese direct wheels.
They are still behind the times: Enve, Zipp, and Reserve has been at 25 mm internal for years (and the last 4 Grand Tours at least have been won on this width).
except i wouldn’t touch enve and zipp with a 10-foot pole and reserves are lovely wheels but heavy
Yet AG2R are having a stellar season with claims their equipment 'package' is really fast and they have Swisssides with about a 20mm internal width.
External is more important
Zipp wheels cant even keep tires from blowing off lmao great point.
yea I do not know if hookless has to do with that, I am not a fan of the hookless wheels
not wide enough external... this is 2024 Lun
So no more rim brake wheel updates :(
Nope seems they are going on disc brake route
GC are they hooked? Wheels…?
Don’t think so, I’ve never seen a Chinese wheel set that are hookless
Yes they hooked I have previous version great wheels however price now 1700$ think is too high
they are hookoed yes
They are no longer budget wheels, winspace sponsored woman continental team now and as what other manufacturers do, the price will started to increase across all sku.
Le problème c’est qu’en France on trouve des dt swiss arc 1100/swisside hadron et Roval rapide cl pour 100€ de plus et ce sont des roues exceptionnelles ! De plus c’est valorisant pour la revente,mon amis a fait reprendre un wilier zéro slr Astana dessus il y avait des hyper et personne n’en voulait alors qu’il aurait eu une marque plus connue ça se serait fait rapidement. On est une niche de passionnés à bien connaître ces roues mais les cyclistes lambda pour eux c’est méfiance .
Hyper pourra mettre facilement ce genre de prix qd ils équiperont une équipe world tour.
Certains disent les CRW sont mieux…non elles sont plus légère mais visiblement elles ne sont pas top en vent de travers et sont moins rigides que des Roval rapide à rayons acier,le poids n’est pas tout je préfère des hyper ultra solide et tranchantes au niveau de la direction en descente pour 200gr de plus. Je roule les Roval rapide et leur 1530gr dont une rigolade à emmener même sur du 15%.
Je pense les hyper à la hauteur de leur prix mais il faut absolument qu’ils équipent une équipe pro pour que tout le monde pense celà ,les consommateurs sont comme ça.
Je parle d’une équipe pro masculine car malheureusement le cyclisme féminin n’est pas encore très populaire
yea I agree there are a ton of options right now that are competiting with these price points and trhey are out pricing themselves, the wheels are without a doubt an amazing wheel to ride and respond so well, but people will always look at name brand
The Reserve Wheels are just €200 more expensive.
rovals rapide cl are 1750
1700$ turnoff
winspace have priced themselves out of the market. Especially with that weight, they have nothing going for them
Magene exar ultra d508 the win.
magene has been coming on strong lately
For $1700, you’d think that’d buy you some grease in the ratchets. 😂
With those prices, at least, in Europe, does not make sense to be considered as a good deal. You can find top models from known brands such as DtSwiss or similar. They will need to reduce significantly the prices or include wind tunnel test and more data about efficiency.
Nice wheels. How’s their balance?
looks Disc only? Goodbye Rim brakes then :|
Don't think the hub sounds better than the previous versions.
13:20, is the TH-camr hype suddenly ending?
they are stil great wheels i mean coming from what wheels were 5 years ago the price is super nice but the competition is getting harder and so many companies are pushing the envelope
I went to the Elite wheels website and got a virus. I'm leaning towards Hunt. In case things go down and I can't get parts from China. My budget is 1200. 1500 is just a stretch. I'm sure hell am not pay 3 grand for a gravel wheelset though too 😂
lmfao, I wopuld stay away from hunt, I do not like there hubs there are far better options out there
I have hyper 23 se d45 and it was 810 usd last black Friday and I love it. It is stable in wind and roll fast. The hyper 2023 for 1500 (1350 with discount) was already too $$$ for me as the difference is almost none. Hyper 3 is just too much and most of the ppl who look at winspace wants great products for less.
yea that is a great price point
Way to much money, i think winspace are trying to capitalise now they have been excepted into the market. Unfortunatly my experience has been mixed. I supported the brand as they catered at what i beleive is a fair / value product but there bearings are crap, the hubs do not provide adaquate protenction for any bearing when wet so your lucky to get more that 1k miles before replacing, winspace offer to replace them foc but want the consumer to cover shipping which is more that buying a premium enduro or ntn bearing locally. I wont be buying any winspace products again im sorry!
The white logos 🤢, weight & price 🤦♂️
18gram only
I’ll stick with Hunt, good price and includes lifetime crash replacement.
$1444 with Fathersday coupon.
hell yea!!!!
2024, the bare minimum internal rim width is 25mm imo. Not a fan of the carbon spoke.
You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain.
my thoughts exactly
Ask Scooter what *Hyper Hyper* means😂
These wheels are wack.
Extremely heavy for a carbon spoke wheelset, it's easily 100-200g too heavy before even starting to compete with the lightest hoops, and it's extremely overpriced. You can contact any OEM like Farsports, yuanan, carbon speed, and a solid other dozen, get exactly the spec you want, and it will cost you potentially HALF, AND weigh less.
It's actually shocking.
yea thats what I was shocked by but last gen models as well had carbon spokes and skinnier rim and they were in this realm, I get it this is almost a 70mm depth wheel in the rear but companies right now with 50 front and 60 rear are in the realm of like mid 1300s I think these wheels need to be like 1425 for the set
Huge missed opportunity here. They should have gone to an external width of at LEAST 32mm. By increasing the internal width it just means a tyre will come up a bit bigger than before and therefore reduce the aerodynamics.
CRW or Exar look a better bet than these.
Winspace ain’t it anymore. 9Velo is way better value.
the black finish is so boring...
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