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Plot summary: girl who does not conform to the typical standard of beauty does horrible things to her friends but justifies her wrongdoings with her insecurities
Bacon yea I hated the plot it kinda seems like their portraying girls who don’t conform the typical standards of beauty seem like they are some kind of weird psychopath
Literally tho
Liberal thinking.
@@datshookethqueen9706 yea but its generally the pretty popular girls who are portrayed as mean psychos so just because someone is good looking doesn't mean he or she is a jerk
kinda like gaston in beauty and the beast hes the villain because hes a good looking, conceited man
Say it with me kids:
*Insecurities are not an excuse to do something morally wrong, and then play the victim.*
One more time for the people in the back!
*Insecurities. Are. Not. An. Excuse. To. Do. Something. Morally. Wrong. And. Then. Play. The. Victim.*
Sam LOTR-HP preach👏🏾👏🏾🙏🏽
So true - but kids think they have no choice, as in, they see adults do it in real life.
I mean look at Merghan Markle for instance - a malignant narcissistic sociopath, playing the victim non stop (even though she gets EVERYTHING laid at her feet) - she even pretended to cry next to rape victims - and there are STILL some people left supporting her 😨🤢🤮
thank 👏 you 👏
@@lauraveapi3840 I saw her movie with something not inspirational
THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU!! I don’t like that’s she’s portrayed this way as a heavy girl. Insecure girls don’t always act like this, but I’ve seen it! And I’m sorry but I don’t have any remorse for people like that.
This is basically “ it’s not sexual assault when women do it”: the movie
That scene always hurts my soul
Jeez true
Yess I'm a girl and I agree completely! What she did was sex assault! SMH 🤦♂️
Wait, I forget, what was the sexual assault? I must not've been paying attention.
100% agree, cringe worthy in all the worst ways.
@pJ So I don't want to sound rude or ignorant, but that sounds more like catfishing than sexual assault.
"hi"
"hello"
"is this Veronica?"
"uh no"
"are you sure? you gave me your number"
"this is not Veronica"
"ok"
the end
only good girl did that
*Roll credits.........
HAHA i wish lol
What a normal person would do ☝️
We don't do that here
Why do so many of these “romantic” movies paint toxic traits as desirable and cute?
Yeah its really strange and Low key disturbing
For a bunch of very simple reasons.
When it comes to men, there are a couple common tropes found especially in romantic and/or erotic fiction, which are the "bad guy gets redeemed by love" and the "dominant, wild, possessive man".
These tropes are beloved by many readers, perhaps also because strong men are usually portayed as attractive in our society, and if done right can be good, for example in a properly written erotica story, or a story with an emotionally damaged male love interest who actually undergoes a proper character development and heel face turn. The issue is, many, many writers are not actually good at what they do.
This means that many of them, when writing romantic or erotic novels with these tropes, only explored them in a very shallow way, cue results like Twilight (mind, I actually like Meyer's writing style in The Host, and I think she is a lovely person irl, so I think that Twilight was most likely the result of an amateur writing a book about the things her strict education didn't allow her to live) or, even worse, 50 Shades. These books, shows or whatever enforce a new version of the tropes I mentioned at the beginning, to the point where the figure of the dominating man turns into an abusive one, while still being painted as hot and desirable. Now, it wouldn't be bad if it was niche literature. Kinks are fine, and if your thing is reading rape fiction then more power to you. But when it stops being treated as literature for a niche market that is interested in abusive/toxic dynamics and is instead seen as mainstream, then there's a problem. It's also marginally caused by society, but again; most of these writers are women, so I think my analysis is not too far from the truth.
As for women, I think the issue is half to be found in tropes and half in society. The tropes that come into play, again, are the usual, and became mostly famous because of japanese fiction: tsundere, yandere etc, these character archetypes are usually violent women being painted as "quirky" and desirable. However, this time the social conditioning is stronger; in fact, while there is a (relatively) new appreciation for strong female characters in mainstream media, there is also a holyfication of sorts in act, where female characters are assumed to be always in the right. Not only that, double standards come into play with things like harassment and even rape, where male victims usually get portrayed in a comedic way, or are even painted as the ones in the wrong for not accepting the offender's avances.
Last but not least, I feel like a "loser culture" of sorts has been created. It's important to teach kids about bullying, but many movies and books actually present situations that are 1, just plain unrealistic, 2, blown out of proportion or 3, the main character's own fault. This enforces the idea that if the main character is portrayed as a "loser" then they are never responsible for their situation, and that any action of theirs can be excused.
Sorry for the long ass reply, lol.
Sara Bazzone you explained it very well all I would’ve said was “Yeah remember Twilight and fanfics? That’s it that’s the whole reason”
my theory is most people who fantasize a lot about love seem to be the most likely to make movies about love and people who most often fantasize about love have anxious ambivalent attatchment, who base their entire lives around love. this video explains how they are better than I can th-cam.com/video/QP-nPJbTgTs/w-d-xo.html
these are the "nice guys"
Red Dragon WATTPAD
Catfishes guy for weeks,
Kisses him without consent,
Fakes disability,
Hacks somebody's social media,
Cyber bullies friend and ignores other friend throughout movie.
*yOU aRE eXACTLY mY tYPE*
But she wrote a song ;)
it’s fine because she’s insecure
She's a terrible human being
She faked a DISABILITY?!
Which one??
@@lovelycloudyskies being deaf
*So are we just not going to talk about how she was being a terrible friend to her one and only best friend by switching up on him by ditching him and treating him like he is invisible?*
And then doesn’t actually apologize and makes him forgive her and be her friend again
EXO-L!!!!!!!! I love EXO-L and EXO SOOOOOO much!!💜
but all is forgiven because she’s the main character
Terrible friend to one of her 'only' friends, by SWITCHING? up on him, ditching him and treating him like a pariah? That about sum your comment up? If so, That makes no sense to me..... Ive never watched this film personally, My daughter reccomended Alexs channel and I stayed for the animations 🤣
And you didn't even mention how she fakes being deaf with Jamey who actually has a deaf brother
omgthisissoawesome I know that is so wrong
That is so messed up
Right! That was so messed up!
Why is it so bad, I think it's the only mildly funny part
@@muymuy5005 she's faking a disability. that, in itself, is wrong no matter how you look at it in any angle.
Sure, she may have lied extravagantly and went to great lengths to deceive a nice, unsuspecting guy, and may have also committed egregious slut-shaming against someone who trusted her, but it’s okay! Because she’s i n s e c u r e and isn’t traditionally pretty and that makes it completely cool! Right? Right?!?! Y I K E S
Genie Hossain im soo late but bet if it was a pretty girl everyone would call her mean lmao
@@ellamarieparreno4167 *👏THANK YOU👏*
i cant tell if ur being sarcastic...
Look man, she wrote a song, what more do you expect?
@@hafsahparveen1788 she is
This movie could have ended in 20 minutes with a simple "who dis"
In 5 minutes*
*2 minutes*
@@simsim-lj6vo 60 seconds
26 seconds. like all phone calls with dad
“New phone who dis”
I actually really liked Veronica's character development. I'd rather see the story from her point of view lol
Yeah she was way better for a protagonist role
@Sir Remy they wont lol because they could get backlash from people for bullying sierra (she looks like an average person so some pubications could call it fat shaming and things like that). Ik youre kidding but that really would happen :p
@@calisha1889 yah I get it, people complain how the character doesn't get character development but they complain how the character fat shames and don't pay attention to the character development
@@calisha1889 That’ll actually make it more interesting
2k like
I'm concinced Noah Centineo is owned bt Netflix and is tequired to play any romcom love interest at this point.
Whatever pays the bills
He's probably a robot they built.
The only role I think he played well was Peter in To All The Boys. He played Peter really well simply because I think Peter's personality a character similar his own personality
@@miaow0706 Jesus in the fosters was played pretty nicely by Noah Centineo
The victim in the whole story is Jamie, not Sierra
Actually it's the boy he got sexualy assaulted
@@imaunicorninhufflepuff112 jaime is the boy...
@@leticiagomez8594 sorry wrong name
@@leticiagomez8594 I haven't watched it in ages so I forgot the names
Cris Prior I think that actually the victims are Jamie and Veronica
The "mean" girl is actually nicer than the "good girl" wtf
They accidentally made her have an amazing character arc
Not really but ok.
@@itsneverlupus5544 Veronica was a damn bully lmbo. She tormented Sierra constantly. Just by chance they became friends and Sierra did a bad thing and was forgiven. Having an "image" does not excuse bullying. I like how when it comes to overweight people its okay for them to be treated like shite to some.
@@leahunfeigned5955 she started as a bully and became a good human. Story arc.
Sierra started as the fat girl who got bullied, became a sexual assaulter, then ruined the life of a girl helping her. I didn't say Veronica should bully because of the image doofus. I meant Sierra ruined her image infront of 20 thousand people. That's a huge thing. Sierra cant appreciate the damage she did because she doesn't have that image to maintain
@@itsneverlupus5544 The whole movie is based on Cyrano de Bergerac and is about flaws and learning to accept and love yourself. All the characters had to learn that. Sierra made a few mistakes and was forgiven, just like Veronica bullied her for years and was forgiven. They both were imperfect people dealing with baggage and emotional issues. If you can't get that, well, that is unfortunate. Neither one was innocent so stop acting like Veronica gets a pass because of "growth."
At first Sierra was a badass smart girl and I quite liked her character. Andddd then she turned into a jerk.
Same, the beginning of the movie is good but the rest is such a mess
JeRkk
Catzie_ what else did you want me to say, “bitch”? I just didn’t wanna corrupt the children reading my comment lmaooo
@@brooke4608 lmao i wasnt mocking u i was spreading word that she is a jerk. A huge jerk.
Catzie_ oh sorry lmao 😂
I hate how this movie was like: "Hey guys! jamie was sexually assaulted, but it's all good because it was a WOMAN who assaulted him."
“An insecure woman who isn’t considered hot” you mean
nonoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooonnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
Except the movie literally never says that her being a woman has anything to do with it. Watch Revenge of the Nerds and tell me men never get away with worse just because they happen to have some insecurities.
Noah Centineo is one of the examples of people who plays the same character in almost every movie
Alicia Kim
That’s cause that’s the only time of role he can play 💀
My friend told me because so many people like Noah and have a celeb crush on him and such. So Netflix will cast an actor that a lot of people like and such so a lot of people will watch their movie or show
Keir Gilchrist does the same thing. He has played so many psychopaths and weirdos.
He’s in every “romance” movie on Netflix
I mean he played a major douche canoe in the shit show movie called swiped?
Honestly, I would actually enjoy it if the movie was about Veronica, her backstory is interesting “ Queen b turns into a lovely person”
Ifkr
Yassss I am the 1000th like😁
Literally the plot of Clueless
Yeah, let’s give this idea to Netflix tho
Whereas Sierra's story was "Bad person gets even worse but uses being fat to play the victim."
Why every popular girl has exactly 2 friends:
-Being popular is like a war.
-The god of war is Mars.
-Mars has 2 moons.
Are popular girls mars
This is deep.
I love this
*"Sierra the sociopath: Movie"*
Movie logic : “pReTtY gIrLs aRe mEaN”
Underrated comment, NETFLIX portraits such bad messages to pretty young public most of the time
Funnily enough this year I’ve read a YA book where EVERY single pretty girl in the book has a nasty personality, and the main girl is “plain, and average” but surprisingly every hot guy is after her even though she has a really toxic relationship with her boyfriend where she gets mad at him for having ONE MALE HETEROSEXUAL FRIEND. (Because he was supposed to spend all his breathing, living time with her)
Ya wanna be friends with someone who's mildly attractive? Nah nah, my friend, go choose the greasiest, most unattractive person. They're the nice ones.
@@miawongmusic lmao 😂😂
Some people irl think 2 like that, they r just bitter and jealos
This movie was so cringey. Honestly, the end of the movie shouldn’t have been her getting Jamey but just her making it up to and apologizing to Veronica because like you said Sierra suffered no consequences.
I cringed the whole entire run time of this.
And she did not deserve the ending she got. At all.
The most shocking thing about the movie was that I ended up rooting for the mean girl about half way through the screaming twins thing.
The whole movie could have ended with a simple delete or wrong number. Don’t text strangers kids because unlike this movie you won’t end up with them!
Yes seven year olds most definitely watch alex meyers
@@th4nky0uf0rth3ven0m not 7 but I'm 10 so still a kid so u wrong
I’m 12 and I watch Alex Meyers
But let us all be honest in real Jamie would still go for Veronica not Sierra
Veronica's the better of the two because even though she started off as a "mean girl" and bully she grew out of it and actually became a nice person. Whereas Sierra's self pitying and whiny and thinks she's hated because of her looks and weight when it's because she's a catfisher who pretended to be Veronica so Jamey would go out with her, pretended to be deaf so she wouldn't have to talk then he wouldn't realise her voice wasn't Veronica's, hid under a car during Veronica and Jamey's date, makes Jamey think she's Veronica and assaults him by forcibly kissing him. Then when her plan backfires because of Jamey and Veronica falling for each other she ruins their relationship out of spite.
@@Xehanort10 yeah but in rom coms jamie: YoU ArE ExSaCtLy mY tYpE
Yeah, he went to her in the first place lol
The victim was Veronica and Jamie not Sierra, Sierra is a brat
Alyina Case Because those two didn’t do anything wrong compared to everything the Sierra kid did.
@Alyina Case Veronica and Jamie were being used. Yes, Sierra and Veronica had a deal, but that deal led to something that could cause potential toxicness and a relationship between Veronica and Jamie. Jamie practically got catfished and Sierra finds it rude of Veronica to have feeling for him even when she was the one going on dates and fooling around with his feelings.
Veronica was mean.
@@leahunfeigned5955 She was still manipulated and used. ◑﹏◐
My Taste In Music So? She was a bully. She went through redemption, sure, but she shouldn’t be called a victim
This is the wrong number
THATS ALL IT TOOK
Sunflower_ Kissed89
The truth
Yassssss
“It’s peter from to all the boys
Except his name is Jamie now “😂😂
Moral of this movie: If you’re really insecure, it’s okay to be problematic. Also, catfishing is okay
Girls imagine a guy telling you: "you're not exactly everyone's type but you're my type" or in other words "you're really not attractive to anyone else but to me you're OK".... Yipi?!
yess,,,,sounded a little gross
That's just plain wrong.
They think it's romantic like, wtf bro no.
She deserved that she was gross
Whether you're a girl being told that by a guy or a guy being told it by a girl that's gonna do a number on your self esteem. Since they're saying they're just settling for you or you're sloppy seconds.
''Sending little flirty animal pictures... "
*fishes kissing each other*
I-... Okay...
Kanna Kamui
WTF NuDEss nO wAy wE sENt FlYRtY anIMal piCTurEs !!!!’
Not even flirty, that is actually a sign of aggression, Lol.
I know it's totally weird and surprisingly aggressive 😂😂(a red flag already)
Ya like in the name of flirting they're just being lame.
*Shamilla has entered the chat*
The whole reason Veronica stole Sierra’s number and held onto it was because she was considering calling her for tutoring help, which I actually think is a good little plot point.
"20 000 followers, following zero" lol don't you have any friends??
Also, no memes?? Literally none?!?!
explore page or alt account
"Back when I was a 21 year old high school student.."
*THE SHADE.*
Honestly i missed him saying that every time lmao
This movie should be called "Veronica is a better person than you think" or "Sierra has psychological issues" 😂
I almost spat out milk after reading the second one. 😂
No lol. Veronica went along with the catfishing. Any normal person would consider that fucked up. Veronica also allowed the sexual assault to happen
@Kermit Da Frog Oof it cant be a joke because the underlying premise is false
Or"(Big title)CATFISH(Little subtitle)But it's done by a girl,so it's all right".
faxxx
"the only teenager who doesn't obsess over her looks" the first line I heard from her and I can already tell she's probably one of those people who think showering and taking care of yourself and just generally loving yourself is a bad thing.
fr
If someone unironically calls herself that, she actually does obsess over looks but is going for a negative reaction instead of a positive one.
The victim is Jamie. And blame is on veronica. AND SIERRA IS THE BAD GUY
Movie Summary: Netflix approved Catfish and Sexual Assault
It's for a test of the viewer that they knew that all of you gonna react like this to distinguish good & bad.
But then, how if the viewer can't distinguish that kinda thing and being delusional? ._. idk
Fr. I watched this and wanted to throw up. Like I was so pissed that I wasted 1hr and 45min of my life on "sEiRrA bUrGeSs" and her messed "rOmAnCe".
honestly, just switch the genders and it'll totally be a scandalous movie
...and the fact that it's *not* scandalous with the non-switched genders is a problem.
@@Nicamon yup that's what i mean
@Liss2271 You're absolutely right. Really surprised that I haven't seen this comment sooner. There was a pretty good/funny movie from the '80's called "Roxanne" starring Steve Martin, and Darryl Hannah, that is based on the play. In it, the woman ends up sleeping with the good looking guy she thinks is the man she's been writing to, and talking with, which is shitty too. No matter how you look at it, it's deceiving someone, and taking advantage of them sexually. Really awful message to glorify for a teen, and preteen audience.
@@mariannecontrino6297 Yup, Imagine if you were about to kiss a girl you liked and then you open your eyes to fine someone else! Its literally a crime of some sort. If the genders were swapped feminists would be all over this.
@@mariannecontrino6297 Well to be fair the 80s is a whole lot different than it is now
I never thought I would want the "mean girl" to end up with the guy in a movie like I did when I watched this one.
are we just going to forget the scene where sHE PRETENDS TO BE DEAF
I KNOW
I keep wondering how the kissing scene went from the writers to the producers to the director to the actors and no one mentioned something like "HEY THIS IS ASSAULT, let's maybe not do it"
probably because it's a girl doing it and I can guarantee the writers, producers, directors and actors are left wings or just didn't care at that point
Given Sierra playing the victim and whining that people only hated her because she was fat the writers were probably convinced she was entitled to a relationship because of that even though she wasn't.
The uproar if it was a guy doing this. Im so sick of these double standards. It's actually just hurting our men.
@du lügner this is such an incredibly misguided comment that prevents men from reporting abuse/assault. Disgusting comment.
@du lügner see: how a man let himself get assaulted. Seriously? That's adding to the problem. He didn't let himself get assaulted. For years women have been told they let themselves get assaulted by putting themselves in bad situations. Today, we know that's called victim blaming. Let's not let another few hundreds years go by before we realize the same should be extended to men. We should let men know right now, they are not to blame when they are the victim. Again, your comments are so misguided and gross.
I ended up wanting veronica to be with Jamie for real lmao
Veronica has a way better character arc too. She was better in every aspect and I was really rooting for her.
Same lol
Jaime is pretty dense tbh so it’s even more frustrating at the end.
Tova Reardon True
Same!
So basically she catfishes him for weeks and he didn’t even get mad wow
"Hmm, how to get yourself a boyfriend?"
Google: Try to be more sociable and confident.
Bing:
Sierra logic:
1- Lied to Jamie about who she was
2- Bullied Veronica on social media
etc
But guys, it's completely fine because she's chubby!
Right! Like, come on! Being chubby is not the end of the world nor is it an excuse to be a trash person.
Chubby? She fat !!
Well yeah that's the message of the movie
honestly the movie would have been waaaay better if it had just an extra 10 minutes. Sierra apologizes to Veronica. They realize each other's growth throughout their friendship. eventually jamey shows up and bla bla you know the rest. like honestly, only Veronica had a major character arc in this movie and she quickly became the one I rooted for.
Dizney exactly. It had a lot of potential. It started out so great. But it was super super rushed at the end with no moral whatsoever. Also the ends weren't tied up.
Agree with both of these comments completely. After the ending, I thought "That's it?! What?! There should be more!"
Dizney i agree
Nah, the fact still remains that catfishing is illegal & totally not cute.
Noyonika WHO CARES. It's a movie. Relax.
"Everyone hates me because I'm chubby and quirky and certainly not because I'm a manipulative and selfish douche who toys with people's feelings and never faces the consequences of my acts. People sucks"
This movie should be renamed "Sierra Burgess is an incel" or "Incel:the movie"
Mean girls in movies: has 2 friends
Mean girl in my class: has pretty much every student as a friend except me and MY 2 FRIENDS
You sound like a main character to me
omg same hahaha
noah’s whole personality is being physically attractive. it’s kinda sad he has no diversity in his roles.
i know! in every movie hes just an attractive guy with 0 personality at all
Try watching him in “the fosters” as Jesus. Jesus gets a TBI and Noah pulls it off really well and has some really deep scenes.
He was sort of cute at the start but now I'm kind of over him. Newsflash: there are other attractive, cute boys his age that can actually act really well and are nice people (Joshua Bassett for example)
@@altynai4175 ...!? What is t h a t ! ?
@@DeeFightingDreamer how do you know this actor isnt a nice person?
1. Terrible example this movie is setting
2. That kiss was 100% assault/sexual assault
3. How do you not know how to sign your own name? That’s important.
4. I want to see the same movie but switch the genders, then see how people react.
5. I saw some girl posted about how SBIAL was better than the Kissing Booth & TATBILB, and I was like “woah woah hold up there is NO possible way that a movie about catfishing is better than actual love stories”
Maybe that girl is the one played sierra 😂
The kissing booth is bad but not SBIAL bad
And to to all the boys i loved before is awesome
None of them is to be compared to the garbage that is SBIAL
I agree with everything but she could’ve just turned deaf recently so she doesn’t know sign language yet.
I completely agree. I found the way this movie presents cat fishing and the kiss (sexual assault) as acceptable and insignificant to be extremely problematic as it suggests unequal standards because I think the reaction and outcome would be completely reverse should Sarah have been a boy. It’s just a dumb kid movie but if we’re dissecting it, the movie just kind of backpedals gender equality progression a bit in my opinion🤷🏼♀️
Funny you should mention re-doing this movie with a boy, because this was actually a gender-switched, modern day, teenage, very lousy adaptation of Cyrano de Bergerac.
netflix all you had to do was tell a love story with a plus size actor AND YOU GIVE US THIS?
But it fits in with our culture of cat fishing and social media.
Ikr? The one romcom with a person who isn't skinny and the plot turns her into a desperate monster lol
"Barb from Stranger Things is in a Marching Band"
I can't stop laughing
This guy is really making the most out of his Netflix bills.
CheesecakeLasagna jajajajjjja for real
😂😂😂😂😂👏👏👏👏👏👏👏That's the most honest thing I've heard all day 👌🙌❤️
wheres eddy
He probably makes more money from Netflix than Netflix does from him.
She catfished a guy but it's fine, she kissed a guy without his consent but it's fine
She bullied a friend in social media but it's fine
This movie sucked
*Edit: HE GAVE CONSENT TO BE KISSED BY VERONICA NOT SIERRA AND BOTH VERONICA AND SIERRA DID WRONG. that's basically the whole debate on the replies, saved you time, you're welcome*
Shitty plot with an irredeemable character. Yeah, this movie sucked.
Yeah, definitely not my cup of tea
I watched about 3 minutes and was like oh fuuuuuck this
hey you she also pretended to have a disability
... also She threw her long-time best friend by the wayside but it's fine.
Ugghh
honestly has anyone noticed how Noah Centineo in all his Netflix movies he is in some sort of fake relationship?? (that usually turns into a real one by the end...) to all the boys he is in a 'save-face' relationship, sierra Burgess its he thinks its someone else, in swiped and perfect date its a dating/hookup app that makes him or others date random people (basically not a real relationship) has no one else noticed that or...?
Omg for real
And the other one with Laura
9:49
This was so FUCKED UP tbh
Jeimy: ur not everyone's type, but you're MY TYPE
Sierra: Ok ??
Jeimy: you're EXACTLY MY TYPE
Like come on, who tf made the script lmao
Who's your type homie? The psychopath? Yeah, yehhh that's fucked up
I wish this was about Veronica, her life seems interesting.
Me too
🤢
@S’aint Subliminals Yesssssssssssssssssssss
It kinda is but Netflix thought that this title will get more views
It’s honestly like the TH-cam said Netflix thought they could bring in big bucks because Sierra is slightly bigger than normal and had a “hard life” but Veronica was such a victim she was used for s*x and seen as stupid was used as a catfish and humiliated for no good reason.
Veronica was the real main character to be honest.
She and Jamie are the only good characters
Lowkey think that Jamey and Veronica would have gorgeous children
@@lethumthiyane5245 they definitely would have made a better couple than the one we got in the movie that's for sure...
Error I like Sierra’s best friend. 😂
sounds familiar
big ol' red flag: the movie
She should have just corrected him when he called her Veronica and explained what happened
Same
Then the movie would be much shorter than it was
@@arian1115 not necessarily. If you’re a good writer you could find away to make it so Jamie still wants to talk to her and develop things from there
Alex: "You guys ever notice that the popular girls always come in groups of three?"
*Heathers has entered the chat*
Because of the dad joke: what do girls travel around in odd numbers? Because they can’t even
Yaaaaaaaaaassssssssssss
@@harlow8563 yeah, and one makes her look lonely but having five people in your friend group doesn't make it look "elite" enough
@@harlow8563 lmao
*Schuyler Sisters have left the chat*
I was more emotionally invested/interested in the relationship between the girls, than I was with Sierra and Jamey.
I don't know. By the time Sierra and Jamey meet and get together, it wasn't really romantic. It was weird.
Just my opinion though.
yeah and idk i feel like Sierra and Jamey dont have chemistry ...?
Bipidee Bopidee Boo Towards the end, I actually started shipping the girls 😕
YESSSSSSSS ME
Same
Bipidee Bopidee Boo SAME OH MY GOODNESS
The more realistic ending would have been Jamie confronting Sierra and telling her what she did was messed up, he’s not interested in her, and to never contact him again. Then he spends more time with Veronica and they fall in love.
the reason that popular girls always travel in groups of threes is because there is always a dominant girl. the leader. having two friends allows her to not only be desirable to normal people but to cause her two friends to grapple for the title of "best friend" It also means that one girl feels left out and powerless half the time to remind her who the boss is. plus it looks really cool to walk around in a triangle formation.
My middle school experience in a nutshell
Sierra Burgess IS a loser and it has nothing to do with her looks or popularity. What she did to both Jamey and Veronica was effed up, and I can't believe they both forgave her, especially after all she did was write a song. I didn't hate the movie, but there were just so many issues with it and I don't think it deserves all the positive attention it's been getting.
not to mention the song was just moping about how "you wouldn't pick me if I way myself and thats why I had to do all these horrible things to you"
Era Reads nobody called her ugly or anything. She never cared about her looks and basically tried to look bad. She knew her plans backfired and saw her looks as an opportunity to make an excuse. That’s honestly one of the worst things about this movie
Literally she used her looks for an excuse for everything even though no one really mentioned her looks
The song however was just a pity song for herself! Not a single line apologizing for the fucked-up actions she took! Lying to Jamey and not only dragging Veronica into it, but shaming her bad in front of every one for something SHE made her do! But all's good because she's fat and society should close an eye on her, or else they're being "judgmental" and bully!
"You think I'm mean? You should check the mirror, because your looks are the least ugly thing about you."
-Veronica
"No one wants to hang out with a sociopath"
*_Could you say it again for the people in the back?_*
I mean Spongebob still hung out w/ Patrick in the middle seasons despite Patrick's socipathic tendencies.
SOCIOPATH BURGESS VERONICA DESERVES BETTER
"NO ONE WANTS TO HANG OUT WITH A PSYCHOPATH"
ah shit, that explains a looot
He said that the second I read this comment 💀
this plot could be easily fixed if Sierra didn't knew that Jamie thought he was talking with Veronica, Sierra's deal with Veronica could've been like "I'll help you seem smarter and you teach me how to flirt" or whatever, then cut the problematic kiss and by the end Jamie's line about how she is the girl for him would've been so much more impactful
Also I think if it started without him sending a selfie. Because I feel like the message was supposed to be like "its what's inside that counts" but she was literally about to tell him he had the wrong number until he sent a selfie and she found him hot. So, kind of undercuts the message that she was mainly into him FOR HIS LOOKS.
"you never have to face consequences for anything you do no matter how creepy and/or illegal it may be" - Logan Paul (this detail is the best)
Imagine if it was a guy kissing a girl who thought he was someone else... the cops would come over quicker than someone can say "sexual assault"
Yeah, pretty much.
It's so annoying, who the hell decided guys can't get assaulted?!
Ik, girls shouldn’t be assaulted, and it’s a big problem in our society, but there should be an equal, where roles reversed it would be the same good or bad consequence
@@kiwibanana7590 Feminists.
Afro Wit no one ever said that we-
Cuz it would be sexual assult.....
I really wanted Veronica and Jamey to end up together.
Raechel Verghese same
Raechel Verghese
Me too
It just took Veronica giving Jamey her number
Finally! Someone spells Jamey's name how it's spelled in the movie.
Sierra is a bitchy asshole she sucks and veronica deserves better
same this movie was so bad
This movie made me extremely uncomfortable.
Sierra is a manipulative person who assaulted a guy. Also can we all go on the fact on how she never properly apologized.
Veronica started out as terrible but became way better later on and stood up to her terrible mother.
However I just had to sip my tea with Jamie. His brother was deaf however Jamie was born with some type of mental disorder. This fool was cat fished and when he found out and got ticked rightly so Sierra rather than apologizing said do you ever just feel like the world is... and I had to pause the movie on how she basically acted as the victim and she got the guy. Jamie was the worst and I refuse to spell it with a ey instead because that’s dumb
Candy man no one molested anyone ?
She molested him by kissing him when he thought he was kissing the popular girl
@@cjanunobi1800 I think that's assault. Molestation has a different nuance.
Oop I’ll edit
Yeah...this movie is all kinds of twisted.
Who really loved veronica and didnt really like sierra
Yup
Me. I thought Veronica was a good character but I hate Sierra. They should've removed her from the movie.
me
Stefania Ogun meeeeeee!!!!!
Stefania Ogun me
veronika can i take your number?
veronika: hell no
the end.
Sierra got everything she wanted without any work on her part
i can't believe that you didn't mention the part when sierra pretends to be deaf lmao
Exactly! That was so cringey and unnecesary and I also found it disrespectful 🤔
IN FRONT OF HIS DEAF BROTHERS
Brother*
I laughed so hard at that part lol
Compare to the rest of the movie, that one is just nothing. She faked being deaf so that he wouldn't reconize her voice, but then she screwed up because he knew sign language, but is deaf brother was also there. I guess it was "offensive" but it was more of a misjudgment and a "oh fuck what do I do" type of thing you know.
Veronica had more character development than the main character :/
Sierra was just making excuses for her behavior.
I’m ok if he forgave her but yes she is lame. Because she catfishes someone and just excuses her behavior
Yeah, i wished they focused more on Veronica and her friends. They were much more interesting
@@DavidMartinez-ce3lp ikr, she would have saved this movie, and actually would have redeemed Netflix in the teenage rom-com
Cant believe they made sierra the victim like Veronica is 10x more interesting and Jaime is also a victim of sexual assault if you think abt it
There is alway three mean girls because the “main mean girl” pits the other two against each other, the main meanie manipulates them into not liking each other and competing for her attention. Trio friendships groups are nightmare. Avoid at all costs. It also ensures the main girl always has someone to hang out with if one of the girls pisses her off.
Why is Noah in almost every.single. NETFLIX MOVIE/SERIES
My friend told me because so many people like Noah and have a celeb crush on him and such. So Netflix will cast an actor that a lot of people like and such so a lot of people will watch their movie or show
Maddie I’m not even a fan of him, but even I can admit that he’s really cute
Maddie and the way he talks makes it seem like his breath smells... if you get what I mean
noah went
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Maddie true,plus he kinda looks like the thumb guys from spy kids 🤭
"You're not a lot of people's type....but you're *my* type.....you're my type"
*what*
they give noah the cringiest lines i stg
I thought that just goes for everyone. Even the "hottest" person on this planet isn't hot to everyone. Everyone has a different type. I don't see why they thought that line was necessary to put in there though. Kind of rude to tell your partner, or future partner.
I don't know how she's his type when he asked for Veronica's number. Does he even get to know Sierra in the movie? Like her personality or anything aside from her creepy catfish side?
Grim Reapers Hat I think it´s one of the main phrases of the movie "He likes me. All these words are mine" (I watched the movie in a different language so I don´t know if these were the exact words but it should be close enough) which indicates that he likes her personality. We all know what she did was stupid and she should have been honest from the start but other than that she seemed to be herself while texting him so I would say Jamey knows her personality and might have fallen in love with that.
who is you righttttt
7:22
YOU DIDN'T PUT THE VACUUM INNNNN
She takes literally no responsibility, plays the victim all the time, and cannot see how her actions hurt others. This shit is narcissism
Wouldn't them switching places to kiss be considered sexual harassment in some way? Imagine two guys doing that to a girl, she would be disgusted
Meowandforever it’s assault but it’s cool cuz it’s a fat, ugly chick doing it
i reckon it would be shown the same way, like sierra is basically one of those self proclaimed 'nice guys' who think they deserve a hot girlfriend because theyre awkward and 'not like other guys'
This is equally gross - that's the movie's main problem, that it pretends it is okay and acceptable because "she is unpopular and doesnt look like a model". Um okay. Just like at least 80% of high schoolers.
@@alicec2405 fuckn EX A C T L Y
@@tamarat9735 wOrd!
Also, side note, at my school most people are attractive and it's really intimidating
There's NO way this would have ever worked out like it did in the movie. Seriously dumbest movie ever! Plus Sierra ended up being a way worse person than Veronica. She basically cyber bullied Veronica AND lied to/kissed a guy who had no idea. There's just noooo way he would have been like "oh yeah forget all that stuff I want you oh baby oh baby." I realize they made him out to be a nice guy and all but that was such a stretch.
was that oh baby oh baby reference from 10 things i hate about you
Right and she never told him. After they kiss the second time he goes have we done that before and she giggles. Like no bitch that was harassment. She was a horrible person. She even took her hatred for her looks out on her mom. So much for being the girl that don’t care.
thats why its a movie
Wish thanos appeared and snap his finger....The end
In some circles, what Sierra did to Jamey with the kiss could be viewed as sexual harassment.
Dont forget she pretended to be deaf and wrote a song
veronica grew so much as a character. wish they focused on that
I feel like Sierra didn’t learn any lesson or have any type of growth. Veronica became a much better person and I feel like she should’ve ended up with Jamey because she ended up being WAY more mature.
Tessa Hartman I couldn't have said it better myself. Veronica definitely changed the most out of all the characters, and I feel that she deserved more than she ended up getting. Sierra's relationship with her successful parents and always feeling overshadowed by them could have made for a compelling subplot. But the issue is that it's only really addressed towards the end, and never comes up again after the scene where Sierra has an emotional breakdown in front of her parents.
Tbh I dont think either of them should be with Jamey. Let's not forget Veronica agreed to trick him with the video chat, pictures and the date. She even helped Sierra sexually assult him.
Sure her character arc was great and she's a waaay better character than Sierra however to say she deserves to have a romantic relationship with Jamey is a no for me.
oh shoot i completely forgot about that kissing scene somehow, yeah i take that back. i'm not going to defend veronica's actions because what she did was wrong, but her intentions weren't selfish like sierra's. yeah she originally helped sierra to become smarter for a guy, but the video chat and letting sierra kiss him were done to help sierra out because she was a friend. that doesn't make it right, but its better than sierra who's only motivation throughout the movie were all based on selfish needs. then to think veronica easily forgave sierra after she leaked that picture to the whole school. that's why i think veronica is much better and should've ended up with the guy, not jamey, but maybe a guy.
@@tessahartman7870 Agreed.
Tessa Hartman i agree
IT 👏 SHOULDVE 👏 BEEN 👏 JAMEY 👏 AND 👏 VERONICA 👏 she may have started as a mean girl but SHE CHANGES! Sierra LITERALLY catfishes this guy for MONTHS, even pretending to be DEAF when he was around her! Not only that, but when she saw Jamey kissing Veronica, she ATTACKED her on social media! But Veronica was the girl Jamey thought Sierra was! Sierra DID NOT deserve anyone’s sympathy! This movie makes me so mad I stg
Sam that’s what I’m saying!!
Agreed
AGREED!! Sierra did NOT deserve to end up with Jamey and I think he and Veronica would have been great together. She really became a better person while Sierra literally just...became an buttface.
That's why I don't watch original teen movies of Netflix (or TV shows most of the time).
I just wait to see Alex Meyers' reaction about them.
1 # Haha, nice. The only original teen movie I actually enjoyed on Netflix was “To All the Boys I’ve Loved Before” but all the other ones are pretty dumb.
This story should’ve ended where Veronica shows up to Jamie’s house and takes him to homecoming. Maybe as friends, maybe as more than, and shows him that she’s not just pretty, but she is a good person. Perfect match right there. Sierra doesn’t deserve that happy ending, and it is totally unrealistic. Jamie would hate her if this was in real life, and so would Veronica. Sierra didn’t even apologize to Veronica, and suddenly they’re okay again??
They messed this up big time. Jamie should have found her and told her, who you are would've been exactly my type if you just stayed true to yourself, then leave her for being despicable. Then she would've had to face the fact that her looks was never an issue her bad ways were. If they wanted to be cliche, she should've gotten suspended for cyberbullting and apologize properly at prom for being awful. Worked for mean girls
if the roles were reversed and it was jamie and his male friend pulling this whole deception game on either veronica or sierra (especially with that kissing scene) this whole show would be classified as Sexual Assault Culture 101. but it's cool here, because it's a chubby girl!
(note: I have nothing against fat people. I just hate it when body size is made an excuse for horrible behaviors towards others)
it's not the body size that's being used as the defense, it's gender. in a Comedy you can have women do a lot of rapey things and shrug them off as jokes because society as a whole doesn't see them as threatening enough to warrant any outrage.
It actually feels like a combination of the two. The whole movie is Sierra whining about how ugly she feels and trying to use it as justification for her actions. And then there's the societal influence of her gender as well, brushing off her creepy behavior and borderline sexual assault.
Zizi Jun yes you are right about the sexual assault thing...but back in the day there was “revenge of the nerds” where the nerd tricks the pretty girl into thinking he was someone else to have sex with her. Pretty gross, but I think it was years before the current social climate so nobody really worried much. Either way it was creepy then and is creepy now.
@@account_nameonline6420 oh absolutely. There's even the more modern take of "oh those weird nerdy people! Lol!" With Big Bang Theory. They do some pretty creepy shit there and it's blown off as jokes because they're non-threatening.
This is actually a modern retelling of a French play, where the two main characters are guys.
the kissing scene was g r o s s
It wasnt a kiss it was rape
@@salehc7594 not rape assault
@@salehc7594 yeah, that was definitly sex without consent, you get it
saleh ali sexual assault
Really was I felt sorry for Jamie
Okay, but Veronica getting dumped for being stupid is actually pretty funny, especially when you think of how ironic it is😂
Lmao seriously lol. 💜💜💜
Honestly, i might need that therapy session after seeing this monstrosity of a movie 💀
Honestly Veronica should end up with Jamie in a realistic world. He fell for her, as much as the movie thinks he fell for Sierra. Veronica deserved better #justiceforVeronica
Veronica wasn't into him, though. She was into Spencer, and he dumped her during the climax of the film, there were still no signs of her being interested in him. She's even the one who urged Sierra to kiss Jamey when he though he was kissing her. So in a realistic world, Jamey deserved better than either of them.
Veronica also took part in the catfishing plan
Well actually he was into Veronica's looks and Sierra's personality. I don't think neither one of them should end up with him.
Veronica is a fucking bully
Celestial War justice for barb is no longer a thing now haha
"Back when I was a 21-year-old high school student..." Hahahaha!
6895Anna I read this as the vid said it
Sierra is one of those kids who neighs and/or hisses at people in the corridors and complains that no one wants to talk to her💀
Did no one really think this was creepy while working on it?