VCHA/A2K Isn’t THAT Bad…
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 3 ต.ค. 2024
- Hello!!
I’m making this quick lol unscripted video to comment on the new JYPE Group, VCha!!
I don’t think the doomposting is very fair, all things considered. There’s a reason American fans have been drawn to Kpop, and VCha still fits in with what a lot of stans enjoy. I think if they continue doing the songs we’ve seen predebut they may draw a more eastern audience along with a younger american one, but if their sound changes once they debut, much like Niziu and Twice’s did after their survival shows, I think they could draw a more mainstream American audience.
I’d honestly love to see groups rise in popularity in America again, and the popularity of Kpop in America might be able to make that happen. Especially since other companies like HYBE are making more Western groups, I think the trend might go in that direction in America soon. Especially since we aren’t seeing many breakout solo stars (at least not to the level of Britney Spears or Madonna like in years past.)
But I can’t predict the future, and a lot of the is will depend on their marketing!
Ciao for now!
Topiary 🎧
Idk why they were so hated, sure some things could've been avoided but these young girls are pursuing their dreams and seeing all these people bringing them down is so sad
It's the trend to hate on JYPE groups especially GG's... TWICE in late 2010's , SKZ early 2020's , NMIXX on debut , Itzy for the past year and now Vcha. The receipts are all out there.
Aren't all new girls in Kpop chasing their dreams?
1. They're American (Camila is French-Canadian but close enough)
2. They're rep'd by JYPE, and since NMIXX's debut last year it's been open season on all the company's groups, especially the girl-groups, _especially_ from YG stans (Blinks plus whatever Babymonster fans are called)
American music is either depressing, all about love, all about heart break or all about sex, I needed this refreshing breath of fresh air so badly, just empowerment and tons of fun! People have tried these kinds of things in the past but they just didn’t have the budget or training necessary to REALLY succeed. I’m excited to see how far they will go with a Kpop system
I'm really bored with solo artists, too. Korean variety shows are such a blast and I hope we get more things like that with Vcha.
I like them myself personally. It would be fun to watch these girls grow. Besides which, our famous pop stars are now all in the 30s age. Would be good to see new blood. I don’t think Americans dislike groups as much as companies don’t want to touch them. Why pay several people and have to risk disbandment when one wants to leave or has controversy.
Also Fifth Harmony and Spice Girls were huge.
@@vixxexo6855 Fifth Harmony 😢
I’m hoping that they target the tween market with this group. There’s been a lack of teen/tween directed content in many years and it could give young kids someone to look up to outside of Olivia Rodrigo, Billie Eilish, Ice Spice etc. We haven’t had a wave of groups or teen idols since the 2010s.
I was sceptical at first how this would even turn out, especially with Kendall and KG, but they fit the group so well I love the lineup. I really love their pre-debut song and their vibe, they just feel so current and it makes sense debuting them soon. K-pop is growing still and there's space for so many types of groups, I can't wait for their debut!
Kendall and KG seem to be on the same level as the rest of the girls. Kendall especially, I think she’s improved every time we see her. Her vocals in the predebut live stages are perfect I was shocked
@@9cloudrachel207 Seriously. When I heard Kendall in that first pre-debut stage (didn't watch A2K except for bits) my first thought was, "Wait, THIS is the girl everyone hates? But she's good." Okay no, she isn't Lily but NO ONE can be Lily, not even Lily can be Lily…
Knowing JYP groups from before, they tend to have something of a "slow burn". At least with Twice, they hit it big in Korea with Cheer Up; then a few years later they blew up in Japan with Candy Pop, but it's really only recently that they've been hitting the American Market, and selling out tours.
I don't think we can expect VCHA to hit "homeruns" right out of the gate, but if JYPE and Republic are putting money into this group, I also think they'll be around for a while, and they can grow and evolve during that time. I really hope that they find a "sound" that is comfortable for them.
I'm imagining "early ITZY" as a good route for them to go down: inspirational, youthful, and full of attitude; songs similar to Dalla Dalla, Icy and Wannabe.
It would also suit Kaylee well since she's a 2009-liner.
I was honestly skeptical if Kaylee would make the group, and I'm generally against idols debuting in their early teens (16 at the earliest is my general opinion).
But watching the show, seeing her growth, her skill in both singing and dancing, her intelligence, and her maturity, I eventually became more "okay" with her debuting sooner rather than later. And like you said, she is a great asset to the team being fluent in Korean.
I hope she's protected from the worst parts of being an idol for as long as possible, and I hope she's treated as an exception in the industry, rather than a "green light" to debut even more idols at 13. 😖
Over all, I'm optimistic with this group: the members have real talent, and from A2K it seems like they get along really well, so they have a really strong starting foundation. I'll be following their career with great interest. VCHA fighting!
Edit: I previously said Kaylee was born in 2010, that was incorrect, she's born in 2009. Thanks to everyone who pointed it out.
I think their parents are with them along the journey. Christina's mom put out a memo thanking fans and said she was there the whole time, she also hinted that what was portrayed isn't what she experienced. Which of course is no surprise
@nonhlenk9962
Really? I thought she was 12 during the LA Bootcamp, which took place in November 2022? And then by the time of the Korean Bootcamp in May(ish) of 2023 she had turned 13.
JYP even made a point to bring it up when they met in Korea: "you've turned 13 now right?"
I _could_ be wrong, but the math of that only checks out if she was born in 2010.
@@JokerCroweKaylee's birthdate is November 24, 2009
@@JokerCrowe the LA bootcamp was filmed in October 2022 and was only a week long, but they stretched it out a lot (iirc in one of the eps she says she'll turn 13 in a month)
@@uhmmmmmwhat
Okay, I've seen now that she's born in late November 2009, I'll edit my first comment. Thanks for pointing it out.
These girls are very likable and I believe A2k helped in that aspect. Those who loves them felt a sense of connection with each members on a more personal level by watching them week by week to their final line up. They are very relatable because like what you said, each girls are like the girl next door. Their success however is going to depend on the marketing and choices in music the company puts out and I hope they don’t mess that up. I see potential though.
8aqàq yeah, totally agree. Unfortunately, it's cuts both ways. I think that connection fans have is also driving some of the hate when their bias didn't make the team.
I feel like people hate them way too much already. They haven't even fully debuted yet!
Ngl they are eating up the performances!! The predebut was soo good and south koreans and japanese love them!
I got really attached to them watching the show
same
Same i was lowkey crying when mischa and gina got eliminated
@@amalio_3098 samee
I love these girls because of the show. Seeing each one of them grow and the team work they have is very giving.
@@nasmx1692 exactly
Im rooting for Vcha. The show did so much to attach me to the members. The amount of early on hate they recieve just seems totally unwarranted and its like other people are just jealous really. I hope they just get to be happy
I am American and I am sooo happy having this new fresh air that Vcha brings to the industry. The industry is so toxic that I will rather listen to K-pop than to American pop
vcha가 미국에서 사랑받기 위해서 중요한건 멤버들 국적이나 색깔이 아니고 좋은 음악이 있어야 함. 난 솔직히 잇지나 엔믹스 노래가 니맛도 내맛도 아닌 것 같음. 트와이스 때와는 다르게 잇지 엔믹스 노래는 다른 어떤 그룹이 불러도 전혀 위화감이 없을 것 같음. vcha y.o.universe는 메세지가 좋았음. 앞으로 계속 일관성 있고 특징적이고 마음을 움직이는 노래를 들고 와야 함. jyp는 최근에 좀 혼란스러운 거 같고 최근 노래들 중에 감동적인게 별로 없었음. 그게 제일 큰 문제임.
I agree, lots of recent JYP songs haven’t been very good..
I feel like ITZY and NMIXX have been getting the worst songs.
I feel like jyp is now trying to find they’re footing with nmixx even tho the mixx pop concept isn’t loved they r doing better but they r doing absolute trash with itzy
몇달 전에 엔믹스 노래와 믹스팝에 대해 좋지 않은 평을 했었는데 이번에 나온 앨범 전곡을 들어보고 생각이 크게 바뀌었습니다. 이번에 감동을 받아서 다음 앨범도 다 들어보게 될 것 같습니다. 한번 들어보시길 추천드립니다.
So good to finally see a positive Vcha opinionated vid on TH-cam because some people are hating on them too much. Also wanted to talk about their improvement, I became a stan after the 1st episode and I can say they improved alot. I love them so much❤
I think they might do well but I feel like marketing would have to be really well thought out imo since it’s most likely there going to a western market cause rn there whole vibe feels K-pop-y to me I will give them the benefit of the doubt since they just debuted but the song and overall vibe reminds me of K-pop which is fine but I wonder how that’s gonna translate in America to the general public who don’t care for K-pop if that makes sense but I definitely think American groups can be successful like I luv FLO’s music
Flo isn't American, it's British 😂
Thank you! It’s a breath of fresh air to see someone who is being positive
Lexi is Hmong which is pronounced as “mong” with silent H
Seeing the predebut song gave me a bit of relief tbh. At least (I hope) they’ll keep it age appropiate for the members bcs, again, I feel that Kaylee and KG are way too young for anything other than the concept they just gave us. I don’t really trust JYP with minors (or any other kpop company tbh), but if they keep it as it is I’ll be very glad.
Oh for sure, they could’ve pulled a Min Heejin and so far they’re not doing that which is a relief 😭
I mean, I feel like ITZY music has stayed age-appropriate.
i feel like in terms of companies, jyp has the best treatment of idols. was a fan of wondergirls which had some minor members, and they still respect jyp to this day.
i cant with some ppl the girls already have haters and they didn't even debut but its gonna be fun watching the girls grow and i cant wait for them to have like their own little show like other kpop idols have for example twice has time to twice idk how to explain well srry
I must surf in a different ocean, because I have not seen any hate towards the group, but I 'm sure there are plenty of haters out there who hate on everything. I enjoyed the A2K show a lot and will support VCHA!
What ocean are you in can i join 😭 I really like vcha but all i've seen on yt and twitter is hate, hate & hate
Twitter and youtube have been miserable.
Twitter, tiktok, Reddit the hate is everywhere
@@exoticeditz8863 Reddit is 50/50 imo. There is def more rational thought than the others.
i was hoping they make music similar to like NMIXX’s Roller Coaster
Hmong is pronounce Mong. The H is silent. 😊
It's so interesting to see the double standards in K-pop these days 😂😂😂
Haters hating on Kendall and kg while these two almost had the best improvement of all time😭
It isnt bad at all
i also find that kpop fans feel more comfortable hating on western idols or mixed idols that dont look that asian, maybe cuz they see them as equal so they feel comfortable just being nasty, i will be supporting them and i hope they do well, i also saw that division 3 that work with twice are working with vcha so i belive they are definitely going the twice route and i agree that their targeted audience its younger tween girls that really dont have a pop group or artist targeted to them
Yeah, I remember Alexa calling out these types of fans. They constantly asking idols to speak english but then when you have a fluent native speaker they think they are cringe and hate on them (prob it got too real). I think this happens more to north american idols since most native english fans are from that region. Never have heard an aussie idol speaking english be called cringe because an aussie accent is "cool".
@@RockinFootball_23 Lily would like to have a word with you. Yes people love her accent but she gets a LOT of hate in Korea for being mixed -- I've seen lots of Korean boys/men say her face looks like a pig's…
Even South Koreans are insanely racist and xenophobic (for North Korea it's baked into the "culture")… remember how nasty they were to Twice's J-Line…
Ilove them idc
Stop being a hater. VCha has too much talent.
except the rank 6
@@RIQS-f8u I don't think an untalented person can judge a talent. ;)
I love VCHA and I’m a stan already
It was injustice that Gina and Cristina got dropped. Many fans of the audition process....stopped watching/following after that incident. It was just so adrupt ....how someone comes 2nd ranking prior to the final performances.... doesnt ultimately get chosen. The music also is hard for the ears. Go Getter is the only decent/listenable track imo. JYP needs to give them heavyweight tracks like Love me like this or Back door. But probably wont... due to un popularity for now. They are in a tough spot.
What I see is that all the girls are really talented no doubt, the problem is that they don't have chemestry as a group.
it's not about nationality it's just something there. That's what I think that group will fail in the future. I hope kaylee improves, and savanna don't see it as a kpop artist, for me she''s a dancer. The other girls are Amazing outstanding.
i get why they’re hated but also not because its different and also a hard theme for a lot to like for their pre debut album but the songs aren’t terrible and catchy and the m/v fits and theme worked a lot better
by the time they debut kaylee would be 14 Jung kook debuted when he was 15(13 international age). So if they go by korean age Kaylee is 15 lol
Korean age no longer exists legally (thank the gods) -- they're finally doing away with it and getting in sync with the rest of the world but it will take time to trickle down through society
there a kid who age 13 in that group......they gonna sing disney song all the way for the first 6 years of their career ...kpop fan will like it for sure but i dont know about the global listener thou....cuz global like something like little minx or pussycat doll....i feel like they more like `blackswan' in the kpop world compare to being the little minx, jyp just want to kpopfication the whole globe rather then creating a group that cater for global audience and not just kpop fan
As a fan who watched them from the 1st episode. VCHA is actually one of the most talented 4th/5th gen gg's I've seen, with stable vocals, great sp etc.
People are hating on them too early.. They haven't *officially* debut yet
There is an hater channel @the k-pop spy. Or something like that. She really hates A2K huh? Calling the name VCHA horrible but don't even know the meaning. People are hating on them when they didn't even debut yet.
But I just wanna say... Netizens & fans are really hating/criticizing companies for debuting minors. For example:
Hyein, Eunchae, Leeseo, Kyujin
I mean it was their choice to debut right? Why would fans hate on the companies?
They hate everything lol. Don't take what they say seriously.
It's kind of weird that haters were bashing JYP for opening A2K to younger contestants, but now those same people are bashing VCHA for being too cutesy. But haters gotta hate. If VCHA had done an edgy song, those same people would be attacking JYP for sexualizing them.
Kpop fandom is massive - it's not what it used to be. Why judge it as a monolith when different groups have different opinions? What makes you so sure those against young idols debuting are hating the cutesy concept? If anything people who promote appropriate ages in kpop favour cutesy concepts for minors as it's more appropriate than mature concepts or s--ual concepts like cookie. I hate people generalizing without even taking a second to think bc the lack of logic couldn't be more clear. Clearly people who hate cutesy concepts are young teens, people of similar age to these girls and whom the group is targeted for. It would be weird seeing adults to want young minors do more mature concepts
Its gonna be hard to compete in the western music market. The girls are still young, although they're under JYP division 3 I still wish that Republic Records will get them and train them for 2-3 years more until their vocals are good to go. Besides, RR can push KG and Camilla as soloist first since they knoe how to write a song, compose and produce but the best thing for now is for RR to adopt these gurlies and train them 3 years more.
Gina should be chosen instead of kaylee, she is too kiddie for US market...n jyp seems like dont understand that things need to get faster these days, having kaylee will takes 4 or 5 years for them to have mature concept which is fit a lot in US market...just look at bp n twice, bp goes straight to mature concept n that givin them beneficial for getting a lot of recognition ahead of twice despite for bein so bad at performing on stage with lazy issues n bein inconsisstent...if this group stay in asia it might be work but for US , with this line up??? Hell no, they already failed ...jyp biggest problem is that they like playing save , so their group was hardly seen as a breakthrough...only stray kids so far that offer new flavour in jyp as a " boring" agency...n fyi twice got popular instantly in korea n asia compare to bp, but they got slower recognition internationally compare to bp due to jyp always giving them cute songs
I also agree, Gina should be chosen but when I talk about gina, some ppl arguing with me about Gina age, Gina's age is not far from Kaylee's age 😅
@@RIQS-f8u yes but she looks way pretty n more skillfull than kaylee n she also looks mature
I'm a little tired when people say "I don't understand why nordays they are debuting girls so young" - BOA was 13 when she debutted in August 25, 2000, like many others in 1st and second gen, this is part of the K-pop system. No surprise here.
They look pedestrian… that’s the word “ PEDESTRIAN” .
You're spot-on when you said "American Girl dolls". I honestly thought JYP might pick a name like that for the group.
I thought they weren't that bad.. Till I saw the Dream Academy girls performances.
They look like a bunch of tweens cosplaying as kpop idols 😂 the group has no chemistry
Everyone was hating on Kendall for no reason because jyp pick her but not gina or Christina they have to make a decision. It's not her fault they gave to pick her no, she's getting more hate for no reason
I didn't watch A2K because I automatically assumed, being Americans (I'm one too) that it would be a total trainwreck -- even with JYP's involvement (man has a serious eye for talent), I didn't have high hopes. So when I saw their first stage on MBS, I was pleasantly surprised. The girls are still raw -- fine in Japan, but Korea demands perfection -- yet I can see they have potential to be a great group as they continue to grow (in every sense of the word)
I personally wasn't invested in A2K, mostly tuning in to keep up with the current news, so the line-up didn't really bother me. Despite that, I was hoping that Lexus would debut and thankfully she did, and well deserved too. Despite the popularity they got from being in a big3 company, I don't think that will do much in a global sense, as most people in the West don't support minors debuting in such a toxic industry. Also, their concept isn't mind-blowing and seems to be catered to K-pop fans instead of a Western audience. I really don't think they'll break through to the Western market, as this seems to feel like another K-pop group that just happens to have foreign members. I wish them the best, but JYPE doesn't seem to know what they are doing and I feel like they should've focused on the groups they have now instead of constantly debuting new ones.
If they dont want to fail they need to, get people in Korea to like them, for example making Korean songs etc, because they can't just go to America and come back to Korea and expect everyone to just like them
Dream academy mission 3 November 17,2023 who can the bet final lineup in 6 members.? Vcha korean has debut single become the soon???? small marketing?
I really thought Kaylee would end up like Chaeryeong or Lily and be given time to train and grow up.
Maybe the LA bootcamp should have been longer so Yuna could make it, or they needed to audition in more cities. Debuting a minor just to have an Asian is kind of ick.
P.S. I actually like the first 3 songs, toxic fans please relax.
Yeah if they wanted to find a Korean American it's not like they'd be struggling to find one when a big 3 company has the money and resources to have a long period of audition and scouting and they've had auditions in so many big cities too... even if JYP groups don't have as much fans as YG, hybe, and SM it's not a reflection of how many people are willing to audition for jyp
Putting in someone who was practically 12 (at 13 still looking soo young and small) is giving me an ick too. How long do they expect to be doing pg13 content?
idk how to feel about them, honestly i listen to kpop because its different and VCHA debut was all in english and i think their songs are going to be, and i dont feel interest in them :/.
They got invested from US agent company they do it anyway by using the power of huge investment.
The height not balance..
😂😂
All the things people criticize about this project has nothing to do with these girls. Should they have had a training period? Prob yes. Should they have given kaylee another 2 yrs? Prob yes. Was Kendall uwarrantedly favorited? Uh yeah. Is their music campy as hell? Very yes. Is their name a confusing choice? Very very yes. But ALL the girls have great talent and potential and seem like genuinely sweet and hard working kids. People need to let them do their art and enjoy it or move on. But blaming them for the decisions of JYP and co. is kinda silly. They’re kids!
I’m surprised you mentioned XG because they are the only group I care about :) because every other group feels like carbon copy of each other.
I’m definitely interested to see where the new market in kpop goes and if there are more groups that have something unique about them, especially since so many companies are trying to expand globally!
Well jyp announced that their in the same division as twice (third division not gen)
Pls someone tell me why there songs dont have korean part 😢😢😢😢
This just doesn't feel organic but wanna-be kpoppers. So, I'll pass.
Omg did you say hmong???
Yeah, Lexus' last name is Vang.
JYP asked her about it, and she said she's Hmong. 😊
I dont follow this show so idk if this a global group like Dream Academy or not but if so they have too many asian members to be a "global group"
This group isn’t really diverse. Asian and white girls are well represented, but the other girls are multiracial/Latin and very racially ambiguous and VERY light complexion. Seems like they used Korean and American beauty standards to do the bare minimum with diversity
It isn't their responsibility to be diverse, they are picking everyone based on their talents and not nationality and skin colour. If you can't understand that you are racist
@@AndjaDanja A) I didn’t say I expect nor demand diversity from anyone. I know that the K-pop community has a lot of colorist and racist idiot stans , like yourself, who are so obviously against true diversity because you like to gatekeep - so calm down.
& B - Z) obviously they were casting for LOOKS before talent since all the girls are as close to the Korean and racist American beauty standards, as I’ve pointed out, and are very low skilled - by American performing arts standards. I’m sure there were way more talented girls they skipped over because they weren’t white or Asian or just “too dark” in complexion and wouldn’t market well to racist/colorist fans, like you - those who don’t care about diversity and get mad when people point it out.
What matters is talent….
racist
@@AndjaDanja there a black that was very talented. I wonder why she didn't make it 🤔
If youre not gonna talk about your cats then why did you bring it up? Just sayin
Not impressed. The only thing unique about them is that they are a multiethnic and multinational group by JYP. That's all. Otherwise, their talents are mediocre, at best.
I want to like them but I just can't
Why
This mean you know them I’m ok with that 😂
You don't have to lol, just don't spread hate and it's all fine
Then don't, nobody is forcing. No need to go on their videos just to tell us that
thats fine, just let the others who do like them, to enjoy them. ❤
Fail or not who know. You? So funny 😅
not interested.
Amm honestly the pre debute release was really bad .......
Like it did not look like that JYP vibe ,,....,,
It looked like a company that had like no experience in handeling trainees..
Lets see
@tropiary What negative you saying all i read for pre debut is all positive your just a hater...