Why Do K-Pop Fans Hate Asians?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 8 มิ.ย. 2024
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So for this video I’m not just calling out kpop fans but also the aggressive kpop antis and really just anyone adjacent to this topic. I think racism comes up a lot in kpop, but it’s mostly how idols themselves are insensitive to other cultures, without touching on how many western fans can also be quite insensitive and borderline racist to koreans and other asians in their support of kpop. this video is mainly about american fans and asian americans, as i myself am american and most of my prior knowledge about asian hate comes from america’s history of it and my asian american friends’ or colleagues’ experiences, etc. this isn’t to say that it doesn’t happen in other countries as well. it’s prevalent everywhere.
This video is not me trying to demonize anyone, and there was actually a section of this video that included a specific incident, but since people would probably guess who the perpetrator was (they’re a kpop stan with a larger following) I cut that bit out for the sake of not starting a hate train against them. Because this isn’t to call out one specific person, this video is trying to make consumers of kpop as a whole think more critically and compassionately in situations, and maybe to encourage some research and education and more unity as a community.
With that being said, here’s the sources i used that helped spark this video. A lot of them are short reads! So I’d definitely encourage checking them out.
ncaatogether.org/2021/03/23/f...
registerforum.org/16653/opini...
www.brookings.edu/articles/co...
news.gallup.com/poll/228050/s...
www.thecrimson.com/article/20...
amp.cnn.com/cnn/travel/articl...
www.pbs.org/newshour/amp/nati...
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You are so right for this oppa thing. it is the same as senpai. I a Japanese and one time during the English conversation with my white friends I referred to my Japanese high school senior as senpai. My white friends immediately asked me if he was my boyfriend. I was confused and explained the real meaning of the word to them. They were so shocked because they literally thought that senpai was daddy in Japanese when it is literally the way we call our seniors. Also for the same reasons the word onii-chan is completely out of my vocabulary. I call my brother by his name since I don't want random white people to associate me with hentai or something
You deserve better. I'm so sorry you have to do this because people can't do simple research
Fr am so scared for other asian languages that have specific words to call someone older or younger to become sexualized in the west
i remember when changbin made the song doodle and he didn't pronounce the L so it sounded (according to some) like "doodoo" and so many ppl made fun of him for it and it made me so sad bc even though I'm not Korean I am Chinese and I, too had an accent when I first learned English and got bullied for it so seeing ppl make fun of him for that was so sad and annoying, I don't think English speakers who aren't parents of immigrants really understand how much people noticing your accent and then pointing it out can make u feel so embarrassed even tho its not something for u to be embarrassed abt
also great video thank you for speaking abt this 🫶🏼💗
That's so crazy to me because it absolutely sounds like "doodle" to me...Making fun of someone's pronunciation in a language that isn't their native tongue is bizarre. Language is difficult, and they're trying. I'm sorry you ever had to go through being made fun of for your accent. Being able to speak more than one language is something to be proud of, even if you don't "sound native" in all of them
@@mlk0-0 its sounds like doodle to me too😭😭 ppl are just so childish
I love that song so much, and as a native English speaker, I too hear "doodle". It just sounds to me like he's spelling it "doo-dull", which is more musical anyway!
i agree that at times the way people talk about idols accents can be rude and misguided even though they dont mean to be
As a Cpop stan, it breaks my heart witnessing the blatant xenophobia for chinese idols. I've seen it since forever, Ive been a Chinese idol fan for a very long time and constantly having people make fun of my idols for being chinese or saying that my interests are "weird" just because of where they are from is disheartening (I live in central america for context). If I remember correctly my favourite ult boy group, which is a group called NINEPERCENT from the chinese idol survival show Idol Producer (the chinese version of prod101). They were in LA for their 2019 (?) promotions and If I recall correctly there was this viral video of the leader of the group, Kun, in the video an american woman asks Kun "You guys are korean right?" and he sternly says "Nope, we are chinese".
I know it seems like a petty or small thing but I can't imagine how weird they felt in the US with the boom of kpop and people constantly going "Oh" at them being chinese, they were probably very disheartened. (And also this is coming from me, a person who witnessed it from the perspective of a fan as they are my favourite boy group since 2018 and I watched them since they were being formed in the show, so I have more of a tender connection to the guys in my mind so it makes me feel worse)
Edit: also the blatant hate towards the fact that the show, Idol Producer is a version of the korean show Produce 101, with articles and netizens critiquing the show as "a cheap trashy copy of prod101"
The shows are similar as they are made by the same people, yet people were trying to hate on the chinese version being "inferior" which is blatantly false. And clearly a xenophobic remark. And incorrect.
it’s so crazy how normalized it is for some kpop fans to mock a kpop idol’s accent and label it as funny and not hurtful.. asians have been mocked and made fun of for years
Thank you for the point about anti-Asian racism being so common yet unnoticed. I remember when COVID broke, and I actually had discssions with people saying that racism towards Asians wasn't a problem, wasn't even a thing. And that's during COVID; imagine how they see things outside of the pandemic.
I think a lot of it comes from a type of narcissism and entitlement, thinking you can get have opinions on Korean society, but they can't talk about ours, or that it's somehow okay to tell an idol to speak English. It also, I think, helps perpetuate the intense hatred for Kpop, K-artists, and Korean people based on the "stealing from American/black culture" nonsense. It's truly tragic.
Covid was just an excuse for people to be openly racist towards Asians, they had that hate in their heart all along. There was such a surge of anti-asian hate crimes in america
I agree
Kpop idols want to get western recognition so bad, so the least they can do is learn english.
@@vixxexo6855 They do learn English. It's taught in schools and at many companies. Doesn't mean they will, should, or should be expected to speak it at all fn times. No, there is no "the least they can do". There's the entitlement
@@vixxexo6855 yes and westerners want their idols to come to their country so the least they can do is to learn korean right ? We could turn the thing into the other thing. Kpop idols don't owe you anything.
Gonna say something unintelligent but I actually clicked on this video because I saw Nayeon on the thumbnail
Anyways, loved this video as always but I love contributing to the discussion by adding my two cents, especially as an Asian myself.
Regarding the infantilization of Asian people, the reason why it happens cannot be solely directed to racism. In Asia, the "cute" aesthetic is supposed to be baby like. In Korea specifically, we have aegyo. So if anyone, including non-asians, say that idols are cute, for the higher ups in the industry, it seems like the idol is doing their job. I have seen this infantilization done more by K-fans and I-fans from Asian countries, whereas I have seen more Western fans defend idols for singing songs about sex because it's much more normalized here.
I don't think you intend to do this but the way this video talks about Asian culture seems to sound like everything is from the Western gaze. Like "Westerners watch Japanese school girls", "Westerners like submissive, Asian girls" etc. No, it is highly ingrained within Asian culture itself and it feels a bit reductive to ignore how these standards are so tightly interwoven. It would have been like this even if you exclude white people from the equation - not everything is about white people.
I definitely agree with the fetishization of Asian people and how they are boxed with Kpop idols. It feels very ugh to me since each country in Asia differs in its cultural practices (there are some dominant traditions and ideologies that are almost ubiquitous but you can't box them together).
The final part I also concur with is how people find the increasing influence of certain countries such as Korea "off putting". Something similar I see that you covered in your video is when Western I-fans shit on k-fans ALL the time - whether it be for drugs, a dating scandal etc. Granted, some of these I feel are justified but they do cateogize k-fans and perpetuate this segregation from themselves and native Koreans, as if native Korean culture is toxic and hurtful to their idols. This, I find, can be racially incentivized in many circumstances.
Another point - regarding the misogyny or homophobia, I have had Korean people tell me not to go to Korea for these reasons (granted I live in Australia so I believe it's a lot better than America in these issues). You mentioned that you have seen racism and homophobia everywhere in the US and people are ignoring that to shit on Korea, however, I think it's important to note that different people live in different cities in the US, where homophobia & racism exist in differing amounts. This means, someone might find that Korea has this problem a lot more based on their own experiences (and Korea definitely does, like most Asian countries). The thing people need to keep in mind is Korea developed RAPIDLY meaning there is a huge, HUGE generational gap between the older gen and the younger gen + older laws and modernity.
Your comment is very interesting thank you !
@@gwenbar8144 Thank you for your kind words :)
Just wanted to emphasize that not everything is about white colonialists and Asian culture tends to infantilize women to begin with as it’s desirable. It’s quite misleading to center white people instead of acknowledging norms in Asian culture. Basically, it’s not Asian people trying to be cute for white people, or trying to be effeminate for them either. They are doing it because those are the beauty standards in many non-white countries
@@bierangtamen Your welcome :-)
I also feel the same way about this type of videos, they always talk about asian countries and Korea especially through the prism of the US, saying that Korea steals the culture of African-Americans, but also centralizing everything they do around the US, when this is not the case at all. I noticed that it was peculiar to Americans to always bring everything back to their country ^^.
There's a video untitled "the self-fetishization of asian countries" I haven't watched it yet but I think it echoes what you're saying.
Thank you for this counter perspective. As I am not Asian, I’m an outsider observing. But it’s been bothering me for quite some time how Americans subject Koreans to the standards of their own culture. Americans are quick to shame Korean cultural norms, without learning why the norms are held in the first place. What’s oppressive or regressive to Americans may be liberating or necessary to Koreans. I wish we all took the time to learn.
That’s also totally valid, and it’s definitely a massive part of asian cultures to be cute in a way that it’s not in the US. But westerners bastardized that in a way to excuse infantilizing all asian people. I mainly centered this around the US because I am from there, and I was more trying to direct this message at the non-asian viewers of kpop, as most asian viewers (as in ones who live in asia) wouldn’t be aware of how a lot of western fans view them. things like westerners watching japanese schoolgirl p*rn are issues that westerners created, so westerners have to solve them, if that makes sense.
This video is short and efficient.
It always makes me hallucinate to see people accusing idols of racism without even trying to understand that korean people are not aware of most of the issues black people face because the majority of them don't even know one black person, but they think because THEY are always watching korean videos and that kpop groups are getting more and more famous worldwide idols and korean also know about problems of other countries, which is not the case. Especially when most of us misunderstand korean culture.
Also the sexualisation and infantilization thing is super annoying. Like, Jungkook is a baby cause he's the "maknae" but Bang Chan who's the same age is "Daddy"? 🤡
I also had a friend who was into kpop when we were in middle school, and she tried to learn korean and told everybody that she was korean when she's literally french, with maybe a little bit of spanish blood 💀 and now she's learning Russian and takes Putin's side in the war with Ukraine (well this girl is just crazy)
i think everyone should at least try to make an active effort to understand other cultures and people, especially if they’re trying to give opinions about them. There really isn’t a negative, anyway: you gain more knowledge and more compassion and can help others if you learn the history and context behind their perspectives!
@@topiaryyt I totally agree with you ! Thank you for your video, it is really interesting
Thank you so much for such an informative video - I was aware of some facts you stated but thankfully you made me reflect on my own behaviour towards asian eventhough I never intented to disrespect them for who they are when I might offended someone at that same time. Hopefully more Kpop lovers click on your video. Thank you once again!
thank you for being receptive! I’m definitely not perfect either, but I think at least trying to understand different groups of people will only make the world more compassionate and helpful to one another!
I accidentally clicked on this video, but what a happy accident it was. Great video and I will be checking out more.
While i agree with what you're saying, kpop male idols feminized themselves in the eyes of the viewer in more ways than not. Especially if you look them in variety shows. They would express things in a feminize way which could give an impression to viewer that that's how they're. And i think to certain extent even companies want this, because it allows them to capture massive audience of all spectrums and ages. Also, not researching the history of the culture seems to go both ways. Neither the fans or idols look into the history of the ppl whose art or cutlure they're trying to associate with.
I don’t even think feminizing yourself is a bad thing. Feminine and Masculine, in my opinion, should be held to equal standards.
It becomes an issue when someone doesn’t want to be masculine or feminine and are forced into that role by other people. Which is something that among racial groups in the US, has been taking precedence over the views of the actual person and how they want to be perceived. If an idol wants to be more feminine, good for them, but if that means more americans start seeing every asian person as feminine, that will harm the asian people who want to present as more masculine and are now hindered by how people view their race. It should all be up to individual expression! 💜
For South Korea "Stop South Asian Hate !!"
Not relevant to the video but nonetheless a great take
It also applies to south east asians - check how they react to Filipinos
But there's a different level of misogyny, homophobia and racism in Korea than in the west. It took time for many countries to change, with Korea's rapid progression some things like government/laws which take time to change are still behind. This doesn't mean every Korean is misogynistic, homophobic or racist but it does have an effect on Korean society and its people. For me it can be hard to support kpop with this knowledge because every dollar supports a system that I do not agree with. The kpop machine is a reflection of Korean society and is a representation of a lot of good but also a lot of bad.
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I was told before that my race is disgusting since I was from China, particularly Dalian. When I moved to America, those Westerners think like I’m an inferior race since I’m not Korean.
I mean like if you