Sneakers Didn’t “Ruin” ITZY. Wannabe Did.
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This is my first video using my voice, which I know is annoying and I’m still working out my Mic settings so please don’t mind that 😭
This is a video primarily made to tell the tale of a group who’s audience can never let them release anything other than their magnum opus. The group that everyone dismisses no matter what sound they go for. And the group that in 2022, Kpop fans everywhere decided to throw under the bus.
With that being said, ITZY’s recent comeback already sounds amazing just from the teaser! I encourage you to go support them, as many of their songs arent getting any support since last year’s hate train amplification.
#kpop #itzy
"These girls are simply too talented to be thrown out by the KPOP Community" WELL SAID! Keep it real, their talent is incomparable to other ggs.
Shut up , none of them can really sing
agree like every gg is so talented and i dont get why people hate on ggs so much
People forget why they got so big so fast it's bc everyone could see how talented they were from the jump but now those same people wanna abandon them but would never do the same to a boy group
I don't tink they are as talented in the vocals aspect .
Loona better
I'd say that Cheshire was the right song at the wrong time. It is, in my opinion, their best title track to date. It is simple but fun, the pre-chorus, verses, bridge, everything about it was perfect. Everyone was excited for the royal concept which is why Cheshire should've been released at that time before Sneakers as it could've possibly been even more popular than Wannabe but that's my opinion so who am I to know what's right and what's wrong 💀
Edit: also isn't it funny how even people who hate Sneakers start randomly singing it from time to time 💀
Same Cheshire was really good. I loved Yuna in it.
cheshire is hands down not their best in any way
I STILL SING CHESHIRE LIKE EVERYDAY WHEN IM LIVING MY LIFE... literally lives rent free in my head atp
Actuallt surprised I didn’t realize this till seeing this comment, but if Sneakers wasn’t promoted I guess incorrectly it probably would’ve been better received. It isn’t even that bad too honestly. I do find it interesting how the album Checkmate fits Cheshire a lot more than Sneakers and Cheshire was released right after but eh
I love Cheshire, it was really good. The style suits them so well.
"The problem isn't the group it's the fans." - That's true for all things K-pop . 😭
As I Midzy I stand that I wish we could just reverse everything and all hate that we have said especially to aespa because we ended up harming itzy because of it 😔
itzy is the sole reason why I'm in the kpop in the first place, I will always support them
Same. They brought me to kpop last year
AGREE!
ik i got back into kpop because of them
Saaammee
ITZY is literally "all in us". They will never make a song similar to wannabe again, their title tracks are never similar to one another... and I really dislike that the public doesn't understand that. Their latest two albums are the best in their career and I bet kill my doubt is an even better album, they're doing SO great and I'm so proud of them. They will always be my favorite girls. It's definitely the audience, not them. I hope we as midzys can support them a lot so they can keep rising.
+ they're one of the very few ggs who are still doing real kpop music, a lot of ggs have moved on to make r&b, american-pop-like music, so it's understandable how itzy stands out. And I love them for that.
Well except Dalla Dalla and icy were basically the same song. Pretty much everything besides the first two did switch it up though. Which is why I guess wannabe kinda threw people off (including me) and made us think we were getting a concept change to more mature themes than teen pop but now its mixed with darker colors and less experimental beats but then sneakers fits in more as a sequel to those first two debut songs. The type of music you'd expect perky 16 year olds to do except now we were used to the darker concepts of wannabe, mitm, and loco. It would be like if Twice suddenly released TT after I Can't Stop Me, assuming all else remained in the same order up until that point. It was just such a major shock to many. I think the mv for sneakers had some rlly good potential but it was all wasted on the song that didn't fit into the timeline.
The problem with having nearly all their title tracks sound wildly different is that it robs them of a signature sound. Even if you like one title track, you know the next one is probably not gonna be very similar, and that means lower odds that you like that one, too. The trick is to find a signature sound range and demonstrate variety within that range, so that you don't alienate your own fanbase.
@zibbitybibbitybop yeah I understand your point. However, there's still something about all these tracks that have an itzy feeling. I really don't know how to explain it, but it's happening with cake. If you go to midzy twt we talk about it, we just know this song is itzy in every way possible, but it's not like it sounds like cheshire or wannabe... it's just itzy
@@zibbitybibbitybop they still have a signature theme. even though sneakers and not shy sound terribly different, they still kept their message of self-love. you don't need a signature sound, and a lot of groups don't.
I actually like a lot of parts in sneakers, especially the prechorus abs the chrous was really catchy. I liked the song, so i didn’t understand the hate
To be honest, I absolutely hate sneakers but I do agree that I might have felt differently about the song, if it came out before wannabe. I used to love Dalla Dalla and Icy when they came out and sneakers would've fit well right after icy. They started to go into a mature direction way to fast
I mean Sneakers was meant to be a summer song. So it should have come out after Wannabe. Or as a Summer single. Like It was the way sneakers was packaged. like their first 3 title tracks have connecting storylines so sneakers wouldn't come in between there. Like if sneakers was released and promoted as a pre release or a special Album rather than a regular comeback tt. ITZY wouldn't have got so much hate. Like special summer single would make sense as people would ignore this and not mix it up it what ITZY has been releasing.
It's ludicrous that people are stoopid enough to hate a group due to one not that bad song
@@helixmoore7636 I'm not hating them
@@helixmoore7636 if you read the comment , the person is not hating ITZY. He/she is just saying that sneakers came out at the wrong time . ITZY as a group was too mature for that song. And people hating ITZY was unreasonable, but JYP’s marketing of Checkmate is what made people hate ITZY. If their concept direction was properly planned then ITZY would have been able to release more songs like sneakers as it gives public the idea that This kind of concept is a part of their identity.
Another reason for sneaker's failure in my opinion was the teasers seemed like it was wannabe 2.0 or a royal concept with a hard hitting song. But instead when sneakers turned out to be different, i remember how everyone was so disappointed and angry.
to be honest i’m not listening to kpop to get replicas of indie/pop songs. what i personally like with nmixx, idle, aespa and itzy is how their songs bring something new to the table every time, none of their title tracks sound like the other and they really have an identity as a group. their songs aren’t made to be « trendable » or simple in a way that they are likely to be loved by most stans.
u said this perfectly! as an nmixx stan i can tell that our fandom is made of actual fans that enjoy them and their music
tbh i actually dont know whats the musical direction of itzy and nmixx like their identity was clear and bold during their debut but idk they kinda shifted to the trendy songs once they couldnt get the attention they want. but its just me..
I love you for this opinion, they are literally in my top 5.
@@charcharancharan2901 tbh yall are just complaining all the time when it gets to nmixx, their whole concept is literally diversity, not because they released a summer song does it mean that they’ve given up on the mix thing. and for itzy, imo sneakers absolutely suited their self love concept, and cheshire was very similar to loco. having an identity doesn’t mean releasing songs that sound alike but i get what you mean with itzy, tho their new title track sounds very « « itzy » » in terms of music.
@@charcharancharan2901it's not you mate. I got all Twice discography. They were able to evolve but without changing their vibe/concepts. Itzy had a great vibe/concept that made them unique. The girls suited it so well (except for Lia that struggle a lot with choreos). same for Nmixx. It's interesting how Weeekly was so Critizaced for change their concept in their last comeback but it's ok for Nmixx to not only change it but just sound like one of the most trendy kpop girl group 😮
It's wild to me that people didn't like Not Shy or Mafia. Not Shy made me actually like this group, and Mafia and Loco cemented that adoration. I wasn't fond of Sneakers, but I mean, I can name at least one song I dislike from each group I'm a fan of. Hearing that Itzy had been getting widespread hate since I started to follow them is just so strange to me.
I have been a following itzys since debut and icy was what made me join the fandom, but mafia was just a whole different level of genius. From the song to the dance to the mv… I was so confused people didn’t love it because i thought it deserved more popularity than even wannabe.
for real It seems so surreal to me that people don't like not shy, mafia and loco when those are really the greatest songs i listened for a girlgroup they are really perfect
I really loved NOT SHY and MITM but Sneakers and Loco? Hard No....
So true! Every group I follow also has songs I don't care for. That doesn't diminish my respect/love for them. That's just part of being an active artist?
@@kim_probable_ this!!!!
Something I’ve noticed is people not understanding the difference between not having a theme for all songs and not having a sound. For example, ITZY has always had the theme of putting yourself first and loving yourself. They might have some odd ones out but they keep that theme of self love. They can show this in different songs and genres and still keep the point there. For example, wannabe and sneakers sound different but still focus on loving yourself for who you are even when it’s hard !!
For nmixx, their theme is that there’s no consistency. You won’t hear the same song twice or the same sound twice, mixing it up. This doesn’t mean every single song is mixing it during the song, it could be one song is rnb another is pop, etc.
It’s just frustrating that when people don’t understand a theme, they think there’s no sound and they’re wish washy which is just strange if any of that makes sense
It's a weird expectation in Kpop in general that people have to stick to one specific theme and sound for their entire careers. With western artists for example, they make whatever song they feel like making. But Kpop fans lose their shit if a group deviates the tiniest bit from their concept. They also complain if a group sticks with their concept for too long tho. You just can't win
Sneakers was actually catchy I never hated it
same like I don't get how so many people hate it?!
@@Itzpurkycplory yes they were temporary stans
They hate it because they thought Itzy will be going into the full royal concept
@@Itzpurkycplorythey hated it because of how they marketed it but the song itself is really catchy
@@swanyvesI don't understand that, the marketing has nothing to do with the song itself. You don't have to like the concept but that doesn't make the song bad
Preach! Cheshire was so freaking good! Not shy & Cheshire are my personal favourites from ITZY. I also don't understand how ITZY got dropped so fast by fans when I see other groups still getting hyped even after underwhelming cbs. It doesn't make sense. Somehow the hate they have received seems so disproportionate.
So called fans aren’t true fans
for real it just breal my heart, they work so hard and receive so much hate because everyon seems to hop on the hate train without even making an opinion on their own and it is just ridiculous at this point. I feel really bad for the girl when their songs is not any less good than other girl group..
This comment perfectly explains it
Every group has had cbs where it wasn't well received at all
Why did itzy fall off so hard
6:17
Totally agree. Cheshire was really the perfect next song after Loco and Voltage.
Sneakers was a good song but it really felt like a regression for itzy.
i agree, i love sneakers but i feel like their other title tracks made kpop stans expectations from itzy higher, both music & choreography wise.
I think the kpop community was expecting more songs like wannabe and choreos like wannabe, dalla dalla, not shy, etc. so when sneakers came out ppl felt disappointed that the song was more of a fun style and that the choreo was simplified compared to their other choreos
hopefully kill my doubt will receive lots of love and support! 😊
Voltage is my favorite itzy song😭
AGREED!! Sneakers feels more like something to be paired with icy
im honestly so excited for kill my doubt... it sounds so itzy but also so fresh ?? to me sonically it really sounds like theyve found a good sound to settle into and what ive noticed is the songs off kmd definitely compliment their natural voices a lot more :))
Agree
sneakers was such a good song, itzy literally has no bad songs at all but people will always hate on a song no matter what cause theres always people having problems with everything
EDIT: I NEVER said that it’s wrong to have opinions. Anyone can have their own opinion on things, wether they dislike it or not. You can stan a group and dislike a few of their songs. I never said those things are wrong but what I’m trying to say is that the majority of people that disliked sneakers HATED on the girls. Even though they didn’t write sneakers people gave them massive hate for it like it was their fault.
I just have high expectation after loco. They just have strong cb after cb with 10/10 besides. So sneakers onward just fall flat in term of title track n besides.
@@sowhat1674the quality of the song sucks 🤮
Sneakers is good?😂
Itzy has no bad songs?😂
Delusional
@@Castformsupremacyyea ur just too picky
@@Jisubxrryso is the mass majority picky too?? You just settle for trash music
What made me fell in love with ITZY was actually not "Wannabe", it was actually "Not Shy" and "Mafia in the Morning" 🥰 i loved the sound they had. I guess for me i prefer more powerhouse songs than very cutesy songs. But Wannabe is also a great title track as well. The album i loved most was i would say LOCO for sure! They really made great bops with that album and really had their own personalities into their music and it was great! I loved checkmate album as well and really all of them tbh 😂❤
This is me, exactly. I think Not Shy and Loco was the only song I listened to for months when they released xD
@@iGotBulletproof-Insomnia same, i genuinely dont see why those two songs are not as popular or didnt blow up. I fkin love those and it literally made itzy my top artist for a couple of years simply because of how much i listened to those songs and the albums
Daaaamn! Me too Mafia in the morning got me on hooked, after that loco got me crazy, after that I try to listen wannabe and not shy! I have no comments on sneakers but Japanese comeback with Voltage such a good distraction lol
They still have lots of potential, just give them another chance instead throwing stones and voicing flop to them!
Loco is also my favorite album aswell it just fit them so well . Swipe is always on repeat for me
It took me a while to come around to 'Wannabe' too! My favourite title track of theirs is the first one I heard, 'Icy' 😊 I totally agree that their songs are awesome, I'm sad to see them getting so much hate
As someone who discovered Itzy during their Wannabe era, I just want to say that I hate how much people have dissed on them. Was Wannabe iconic? Yes. Absolutely. It's the whole reason I got into Itzy. Was Sneakers their best song? No. But it's okay for a group to change. It's so frustrating to see all the hate that they got. Sneakers wasn't that bad of a song. And I personally love Boys Like You AND Cheshire. Like you said, I just felt like people exaggerated how bad they felt the songs were.
Unrelated but ,,, Why do some kpop fans crap on a song they dislike so much? I didn't like sneakers but it felt like the song personally offended some people. as if it was pure torture to listen for longer than 2 secs 😭 was it that serious?
Right, like they can just skip it? Not listen to it.
all of a sudden there’s a concept change and so many stans hate it. i love the change honestly. the chill summer vibes of “none of my business” is so great. not every gg is gonna stay the same with the theme and concepts of each comeback. gotta switch it up sometimes.
That's because the fans of Itzy has loved the concept. They were fans who prefer certain concepts. And it was the company's fault for introducing a concept that fits the girls, that fits the fans' preferences only to change it with no warning. Not everyone is gonna be like you who has zero preferences and accept just about anything.
That’s a b-side though. People who don’t stan the group typically don’t bother with b-sides. They’ll listen to cake and decide if they want to continue or not. If the title sucks, why would I bother with the rest? I personally like “Cake” but the point is they won’t see those sides if they don’t like the title track
Wannabe set a standard for ITZY songs at that moment, due to how iconic it was, and it really solidifie their concept about being themselves. If it was that iconic, i dont think anyone wanted a chance in direction.
Not even mentioned how amazing the album of checkmate is, itzy has some of the best Bslide tracks in kpop and it’s wildly un talked about
And it’s their FIRST and ONLY million seller!!!!
ikr! to say their music has gotten worse since sneakers is just wrong because checkmate’s bsides are infinitely better than it’z me imo.
@@CC-bs2xlcheshire is million seller too
i think its because after wannabe came out some midzys thought every song would follow the same path as wannabe. sneakers is a good song, its so catchy but ppl have to find stuff to hate on and that is itzy. if people didnt had such high expectations they wouldnt be so disappointed. the point is after the checkmate pics got published people got excited, and then got disappointed bc it was a fun summer theme not something like royal, and mature themed
0:59 I’m so glad I clicked on this video, finally someone who does not dislike “Sneakers” or “Boys Like You” or any other track by ITZY 🥰🥰🥰
I love boys like you it's fun and simple with a nice meaning
just say u want someone to not have taste
@@speedypanda4169different taste than you ≠ bad taste. didnt we learn this in kindergarten??
@@topiaryyt considering majority of people disliked the song...i think its safe to say its bad and u have bad taste from ur other choices if u like the qorst songs if 80 out of 100 dislike it then its clearly a u thing, ntm they said or any other track like if u dislike even one its a prob
@@speedypanda4169idk where you got that information but liking or hating a song is ONLY up opinion and nothing else. So what, many people didn’t like sneakers but many people liked it too. Sneakers was a bop in Korea and Koreans loved it. Not to forget that during sneakers era lots of people became midzys and broke lots of their old album’s records
as someone who has been here since dalla dalla i can confirm that itzy didn’t get a single break from bashing since their debut even though it was viral it took a week or two for people to genuinely like it. it was compared kinda like (but not really) nmixxs debut people didn’t enjoy the song and conpared it to older JYP debuts and said it was a bad song and for me this kinda is the popularisation of the term “noise music” in 4th gen. icy was bad as well the fact adios by everglow was released on the same day or umpah umpah by red velvet i can’t remember didn’t make it better. i agree with your video as soon as itzy dropped wannabe (i myself as a midzy it would usually take me 3 listens to like the song) it just hit at first listen and that’s what i heard a lot from wannabe they haven’t replicated that “charm” where you just get the song at first listen and i myself would say up to not shy it did feel like itzy’s sound and concepts would align with each other from song names to lyrics it just kinda got lost in mafia in the morning
Exactly, Dalla Dalla - Not Shy also seemed to replicate a similar sound (loud, noisy, in-your-face Teen Crush). MITM was where their sound started to throw me off, although I personally think that Sneakers aligns incredibly well with their earlier sound.
Yh I get what you mean by Wannabe having that first listen charm that lots of Itzy songs don't replicate as well especially Icy and Dalla Dalla (even though I think I prefer those two above Wannabe) Wannabe doesn't have that initial 'wtf did I just listen to' vibe that Dalla x2 and Icy has that grows on you, Wannabe is deffo the most likable upon first listen of Itzy's song catalogue.
Also yes, (and i'm overjoyed you brought this up) Umpah Umpah by RV did come out on the same day as Adios, I remember it so vividly being a Forever and Reveluv, not to mention both songs snatched my wigggg. Although was a tad crazy as Adios got more views than Umpah Umpah in the first 24 hours and I was shook as it was their first comeback, I remember Everglow used to pull massive streaming numbers and how Dun Dun's sound went viral on tik tok. But I also love the Reve festival series so much (I know its still technically ongoing) but the cohesion and storyline was *chefs kiss*. 2019 feels so far away now but Kpop is still sooo good.
Honestly not shy is the sound the should have stuck with. Idc what anyone says but a lot of people started listening to them when that song came out. Internationally
Honestly the way you said everything and explained it makes so much sense. This really opened my eyes. I think that I try to say I dislike sneakers because I know if people find out they’ll think I’m weird. So I try to say I don’t like it but I don’t actually hate any title tracks to. Good job on this vid!
don't care what other people think, if you like it you like it, it's just music
What killed ITZY's fandom was the promo cycle for Sneakers, not sneakers itself. The elegant/dark/royal concept was released and EVERYONE was losing it, possibly even overblowing it on social media so much so that when the first audio snippets dropped those people didn't want to look goofy and doubled down convincing everyone that it was a "switchup" and so genius and "just wait". Like this was a HUGE topic in the kpop news cycle at the time.
This garnered attention from haters who would otherwise have been neutral and minded their own business. So when Sneakers actually dropped it was SO wildly different than the expected dark concept and the haters clowned on those fans who were so loud bragging about a switcheroo concept. Those fans, their feelings hurt and feeling dumb, turned on itzy and now are using their feelings to enact a vendetta against everything Itzy does because they "let them down". They aren't going to let go regardless of what Itzy releases. They just need to be silenced and discredited.
I do have to say I was disappointed in Sneakers though. We got Weapon and Voltage which were loved in SK and Itzy was really gaining traction. I remember looking into the Checkmate concept switcheroo and seeing something about a title song last minute switch? I just really think there was an internal mess up that happened where they lost that song's rights and had to go forward with Sneakers. Because if Itzy had teased a bright summer comeback then none of this hating would have happened. TBH where do I sign up for a protest truck against Div2 lol..
I have been staning ITZY since WANNABE and even since then, ITZY never made bad songs even looking back to their old songs. ITZY are such talented girls and they are amazing!!! As a MIDZY, l'll continue to support them ttill the end! Love ITZY 🥰
Personally i just listen to itzy because their music makes me feel better. When im stressed or unhappy I just put the itzy discography on shuffle, i never have to skip songs so for me they are the best group. Any other groups i will occasionally even skip the songs i love. Itzy is special, so much talent in such a small group.
This so well thought out, I honestly agree with every point you made. I wonder what their trajectory could've been like if they followed up Wannabe with the same style, and really honed in on that for maybe one or two more comebacks before slowly shifting into the girl-crush/badass realm. If I was their management, I think this is what I would've done after wannabe:
Combeack 2: Wannabe
Comeback 3: iD (b-side from Not Shy, more in line with their early style sonically, but a slight shift lyrically, I think it would've worked well as the introduction of love into itzy's concept)
Comeback 4: LOCO (skipping mitm because of the polarizing concept. I think if LOCO had some production changes to make it less dated, and some lyric changes to make it sound more like "I love you cause I'm confident" like Not Shy, it would've been a better transition out of the love-myself concept and into girl-crush)
Comeback 5: Voltage (On social media I see nothing but international fans praise this song, it would've worked so well to keep international fans interested after LOCO. It's like a 2.0 of that song except WAY more hard hitting and with better raps, production, and choreography)
Comeback 6: WHAT I WANT (b-side from Checkmate. I think with some rearranging this song could be a title track, I'm not too familiar with the Checkmate album but from what I can tell, this song would've worked well as a way to transition out of the hard-hitting girl crush thing with Voltage and LOCO, and into a more trap inspired sound, which it seems like they're doing with Cake. I think I'd also replace the chorus and make the current one the post-chorus)
Comeback 7: CAKE (after WHAT I WANT as a transition into a more trap-oriented sound, I think Cake would seem less polarizing. No way to tell though until the song is fully out)
I honestly couldn't find a way to fit Cheshire in here. Its a great song, but sonically it doesn't really nestle well between any of these songs. Maybe it could be the English debut instead of Boys Like You?
While this is how I would've managed them, there's obviously a reason JYP didn't pick this sort of trajectory for the girls. I feel like it has something to due with Twice's skyrocketing fame internationally, and I feel like they wanted to re-secure a spot domestically with the girls after LOCO.
That’s such a good list, i think that would’ve worked better because a lot of their B sides are so beloved by their fans they probably would’ve faired better with the casual fans that only listen to title tracks!
stoppp I have THE exact same thoughts as this especially with iD and What I Want.
I also think they shoulda had a original English single when they released the English album after not shy 3:44
My favorite thing about ITZY is that i never know what music to expect from them. I love everything they come out with and its always a unique suprise ❤️ They give every concept their all and put in a lot of work, and thats why its always great to listen to their songs and watch them perform.
i still think to this day that the problem of these ppl in sneakers era is the radical change of concept when they released the concept photo teasers because it's very different from the checkmate trailers which is why some of midzys are disappointed and expected the concept to be something like elegant and matured-looking concept.
exactly. there’s nothing wrong with releasing a fun summer song regardless but they way it was a bait and switch made a lot of people think they purposely wanted people to expect a mature sound so instead of thinking of Sneakers as a fun comeback they thought of it as their disappointment from losing whatever “royal” concept they expected.
Partially true
I just dont like it and that's it why is ut so hard to understand that a change in artist direction may lead to unfollowing the artist
“why sneakers isnt the title track?”
It was a royal concept in it, and the lightening in the teaser photos matched the mv. We were just in the wrong mindset
@@topiaryytHowever, when Idle dropped Allergy everyone also was waiting for something as deep and mature as Nxde. Then Queencard was released as the most camp, lightheaded song and it still was a bop that charts extremely well. Why didn't this problem touch Gidle?
people hate on itzy and nmixx because that's what's "cool" rn. nobody actually hates them, and their music is quite popular. they just wanna drag them down because they know that none of the other ggs debuting rn (except aespa) are even COMPARABLE to nmixx's vocal prowess and itzy's dancing prowess.
I feel like sometimes, the KPOP community forgets that the members of many groups are from other places and as artists they have every right to make music for their culture/consumers as well. Boys Like You was a BANGER and shined better globally than in Korea and that is okay. Not every song needs to appeal to everyone! Sneakers -the girls were so excited to have a song where they can smile and have fun, so the community turning their back on them is also the reason why there is so much pressure for them now :( CAKE sounds like its going to be great (another song that sounds more western) but netizens should take opportunity to EXPAND their musical taste instead of hating on idols for not appealing to what YOU want. Its not your career nor is it your music to make!
pre-sneakers i thought itzy were already in an awkward position as each comeback was less popular than the last one in korea, their biggest hit was still dalla dalla (their debut song, and not wannabe as opposed to the international side) which was bad. so when they released sneakers, i thought that jype was trying to aim to the korean gp with a "fresh" "easy to listen" song which worked (after chaeryeong went viral) but most of the international general public hated it. besides, although it performed well on koreans charts, that didn't translate into the korean gp becoming more interested in the group. so when they released cheshire, the gp wasn't tuning in so it flopped in korea, and because the international general public were fed up with sneakers and boys like you, most of them didn't care that they came back with another song. what's worse is that all this happened when ive, lesserafim and newjeans were freshly new. so people had even less interest in itzy. anyways, i feel bad for them because it seems like jype is confused with what to do with them.
I actually love Boys Like You as they recorded an English song, which is a very fun song. I dont have a problem with Sneakers, but its still my least played song by ITZY. I do, however, dont think it deserves the hate it got. There is a lot of exaggeration that some ppl in the K-pop fan community do, such as get on the bandwagon hate train. I truly think that a modt hyped song hy a group can be a factor of some K-pop fans dislkiking a song that doesn't fit in that same concept. I feel too that JYP has a weakness with promoting certain groups and how they execute concepts.
I think one of the problems with sneakers was the ads JYP did where it seemed it was gonna be a mature and "queen like" song and then it ended up being the opposite. I was definitely dissappointed but I still check out every comeback and love itzy despite one song being a miss for me. People are overly judgemental of kpop in general. If a popular western artist released sneakers it wouldve charted
Thank you for finally giving them a positive unbiased review!! Many say they are flopping but when I see their concerts, fansigns and YT views, they seem to be doing something right! ITZY, MIDY, Fly High!!
It's honestly so nice to see that so many other people actually enjoyed Sneakers too and I'm not the only one. It really sucks that lately it has felt like no matter what they do, they just can't win. I absolutely loved the whole Checkmate album, it's probably my favorite release of theirs to date.
I think the problem that I personally had was that I was worried that were putting out so much in such a short span of time last year. They came out with Checkmate, then a couple months later they came out with Boys Like You (which I admittedly had to warm up to, it's not my favorite but it's not the worst song ever), and only another couple months later they came out with Chesire, at which point I was not at all expecting them to be having another comeback already. And it's no secret that JYP groups tend to get overworked, so I was just concerned for the girls and felt it was maybe too soon for them to still keep doing MORE promotions.
I'm very glad that they've gotten a lot of time between now and the last comeback, I hope they've been able to rest and relax and recuperate and I'm SO ready for this comeback! I absolutely love Bet On Me, it's the perfect song for Itzy with a beautiful and positive message and I really like None of My Business now as well, I love chill summer vibe songs and it's already stuck in my head! Looking forward to Cake and I already know that they're gonna kill me with Killshot 😅
What’s worse is the amount of people who ridicule those who do like Sneakers. I remember seeing Midzys getting bullied FOR LIKING SNEAKERS
everyone talks about how sneakers doesnt fit itzy at all but i think it literally is one of the most itzy songs itzy has ever made
Right? It seems to align perfectly with their earlier songs from Dalla Dalla to Not Shy. Concept-wise, sound-wise, lyric-wise.
@@foreverneverlandblink4304no dance break no edge no power sorry nah
@@Jjangbunbun I don't really care for dance breaks (or choreography, for that matter) in general, tbh. I just like to listen to good music, I am not that much into dance since I am not a dancer. I can appreciate a cool dance but I'd always put the song first
@@JjangbunbunDalla Dalla and Not Shy have no dance break
Well said, people complained yg for giving Blackpink repetitive songs but yg was smart. Blackpink songs were always well received my general public since debut, but their break out song was ddu du ddu du and YG and teddy was smart enough to know what to do next. Blackpink B side are always new very different from each other because that’s where they experiment, so Kill This Love’s Bside were also different but the title track Kill This Love was very similar to ddu du ddu du and same goes for How you like that. And now that they have a dedicated loyal strong boosting fan base they can experiment with their title track too. Their Title track Lovesick Girls, Pink Venom and Shut down all have different sound and more experimental then their title track before.
I really never thought that way. I totally agree with you like with the fact that any new itzy song gets directly compared with wannabe and that's why fans feel disappointed.
as an NSWER, THANK YOU FOR STANDING UP FOR NMIXX! they get so much unnecessary hate because people don't understand their concept
right 😭😭😭 it’s so sad they dropped their iconic mixxpop bc western audiences couldn’t handle it 😞
@@meatballzlover they actually still have it!! Just in a form that’s more appealing to the public (ex: lmlt is a mix of hip hop and r&b sounds!! There isn’t a harsh mixx like in dice or o.o (brief intermission before a quick switch into an almost if not entirely contrasting genre)). The current version of mixxpop they’re using is more suited to the general public’s taste, but still mixxpop regardless.
To summarise: They’ve switched from a harsh mixx to a subtle one, where they keep the same sound fused out of two or more genres almost if not the entire song.
I completely agree with your opinion. Sneakers and boys like you weren't my favorites at first, but i didn't hate them like some people did. The songs just had to grow for me.
Everything you said is exactly how I've been feeling about Itzy! I love Cheshire so much... and it hurts to see Kpop community not even giving it a chance all in the name of 'sneakers was kids bop.'
well said!! i’m not surprised when u r a stay that always respectful, careful with their words n having jutdae when it’s come to music n fellow stay hereeee!
i just found out about your channel while my yt feed always get filled by ytbers criticised them. thank you for speaking about this n my mind was blown away when u said about the timing of releases which i never think of it n as a midzy since dalla2, i never feel itzy is straying away from their concept teen crush or generally, their colors n when the girls said sneakers giving the similar vibe as dalla2 icy n they love it, ik i should trust these girls
I love the experimental songs from jyp groups it gets me excited to see what's new that's why jyp is my favorite company when it comes to music itself.
God forbid a kpop group is versatile, and has many songs that are different from each other 😭 never understood the hate Itzy got and still gets the band wagon hate train is insane
This is where "majority is not always right" happens. Thank you for defending ITZY
I have liked itzy since right before wannabe came out, and it was revolutionary to me. I didnt know girl groups could dance like that and the song was so good. I have loved every single title track until sneakers. I hated sneakers. Crazy in Love coming after their no skip mini album "guess who" was simply amazing. Both of those albums are still in rotation to this day. I truly think a lot of the issue with itzy is simply jyp not knowing how to market and promote them. Marketing and promotion is so crucial and it literally isnt itzys fault. I wish they were treated better.
Appreciate your take and perspective! I can see why the royal concept combined with the bubbly-ness of Sneakers threw people off, but they didn't deserve as much hate as they got.
Well said! It always bothered me that a lot of people miss remember the amount of hate ITZY got even before sneaker. Just because a group switches up their concept doesn't mean the entertainment forced them to. It's sad that people aren't willing to see that.
I like playing songs/MVs for my friends who aren't k-pop fans, as they typically have refreshing/positive reactions that make me rethink my own opinion. For example, my older sister and her partner loved all of Aespa and "Sneakers", whereas I had felt pretty negative about them. It really flipped my opinion and made me realize how closed minded I was being. It's easy for me to get caught up in comparisons (both between groups and within a single group's discography) and forget to enjoy a song on its own. Now I quite enjoy "Sneakers" and obnoxiously sing it every time my boyfriend puts his shoes on...
Something no one talks about and no one will (except me)
It's the fact ITZY is a group JY Park formed with the idea of showing people talent and attitude is more important than high beauty standards we see in Kpop, and also to show people that beauty is not something you can fit just one set of features, because beauty comes in many types.That's why they choose girls with so unique and strange (in a good way) visuals
The thing is, JYP gave the world this empowered girl group to deiver this message and no matter what they do, they'll never be in the spotlight, 'cause people really cares about image. We all know Lia, Chaeryeong, Ryujin and Yeji have suffer that a lot. Yuna too, but at least she receive positive comments most of the time, 'cause her visuals fit a bit more with the standards.
ITZY is doing great, and they have lots of fans, but don't expect ITZY to be at #1, because that's really hard for the group and we know you don't reach #1 positions, fame and glory just with talent, you need other things, and image is sadly one of those things
I lowkey feel like jyp is trying to pull a twice w itzy by shifting their song vibes as they get older but it’s not working
I loved sneakers I was so shocked when ppl said it sucked I loved it since it came out 😭
I've never agreed to an itzy video essay more!!!
I became a midzy in not shy era and LOCO is my fav song.
Loco is also my favourite song from Itzy.
Someone finally made this video, YES, sneakers is the itzy's concept just like dalla dalla, icy and (with what we see) cake.
THANK YOU for this v sensible analysis. It's almost like Itzy's suffering from their earlier success. People think the group 'fell off' just because their next title tracks didn't go as viral as the first one or two. Also, people are so inconsistent with Itzy, if they go for a different concept, people criticise them for changing it. If they stick with a similar one, people call them repetitive. With that being said, I hope JYPe is able to find Itzy the right sound because I know they've been pretty experimental with BLY, then Sneakers, then Cheshire, even though i love all of those songs.
I’m subscribing, your opinions and arguments actually make sense and you actually have proof of things (like tweets). I’m tired of the Itzy/Nmixx hate train because both groups are more talented than a lot of the industry
Wannabe, Loco and Cheshire is my favorite..i even pun wannabe as my ringtone at some point, for 1-2 months I think. I'm not a die hard fan of ITZY and definitely not a midzy but I can definitely agree that they are a very talented group and I still listen to their songs sometimes, just not everyday like I previously would. Anyway, I will still support ITZY just like I always did to other group that I liked.
Having followed Itzy since debut, but having lost interest around Loco, Sneakers felt like a return to form to me. The fact that it got so much hate is wild
I’m a super casual American Itzy listener, and I loved Sneakers! Probably my favorite title track from them since Dalla Dalla.
I think I was getting so burnt out on the saturation of girl crush type concepts at the time that I really appreciated Sneakers just being that simple but fun kind of song to freshen things up for me.
I just stumbled upon your channel from a KIOF video and now I'm slowly making my way through everything... first of all, thank you for mentioning GOT7!! Second of all, my actual comment: Boys Like You is what brought me BACK to Itzy after tuning out a few comebacks. So many international fans thought it was boring or silly or something but I personally thought it was SO fun, like a throwback to the kind of pop I grew up with. Talk about Y2K concepts, that was exactly the Y2K sound! But honestly I think the biggest issue is the constant marketing swivel between East and West - at this point, I think they've established a solid enough base that they'll be fine, but it's that whiplash that is giving international fans the confusion.
You made so many great points! I also want to add that I think no matter what Itzy releases from now on, it won't be received very well. Girlgroup fans are very fickle and quick to turn on groups. They don't have the same loyalty as boygroup fans. Now that people have made up their mind that Itzy are "flops" and release "bad music", they'll stick with that no matter what. They're doing the same thing with Nmixx and Twice. Other groups like Le Sserafim, NewJeans, Blackpink, Stayc, etc. can get away with releasing mediocre, repetitive, questionable, "noise" music (although I like all of them!). But it becomes an issue when JYP's ggs do it. Itzy, Nmixx, and Twice get hate no matter if they stick to their concept or change their concept. Their recent releases have all been great but people love finding groups to hate on. Like I promise if Cheshire, Snowy, Bet On Me, None of My Business, Love Me Like This, Roller Coaster, Set Me Free or Moonlight Sunrise were just released by other ggs, people would eat them up. And if any JYP gg released songs like Super Shy, Unforgiven, ETA, Teddy Bear, Pink Venom, people would say it was bad and the group is flopping. Anyway rant over lol
this is a refreshing take after getting so many recommended videos that just trash their comeback when it hasn’t even come out yet.
this was a very refreshing take on this whole very tiring situation w itzy, thank u for saying it !!
They would have slayed with "Shhh". I highly anticipate "Cake" as they finally got B.E.P. to write something for them (thanks, STAYC!) ITZY is my all-time number one, and will always be. 🥰😍😘😚😙
Shhh is KIOF’s debut song wdym?
@@Isvhwv What do I mean? “Shhh” is an R&B House groove. The message is very much an ITZY message, and with ITZY’s top level dance, it would be chart-topping. Not knocking Kiss-of-Life, they have established themselves with that tune, but can you imagine the dance break for that with ITZY?
Choi Sanghyeok helped compose “Love Dive” as well as “Shhh”. It would be great if he put together a tune for “all-in-us”!
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for realll
im tired:( my girls dont deserve this
I usually stay out of kpop video critiques because they tend to be too toxic for me, but I watched yours. All i have to say is that kpop fans can be very brutal when it comes to "trying something new." You can chase trends all you want, but I'll always applaud trying something different. No surprise that I'm a Signal fan and I loved Mafia in the Morning. I'm not a fan of sneakers, but I welcome different sounds and concepts. Trends come and go but being solid to your identity as a group will last forever and keep fans, which is why I'm still a proud Midzy. They still continue to be the badass group that I fell in love with since Dalla Dalla, and many midzy agree. Fans should worry less about numbers and what people say, just support your group if you love them and don't hate others.
what’s crazy is that i remember ppl complaining abt MITM but then praising it after LOCO was released? personally MITM was a grower for me as it was a massive switch from Not Shy imo but I loved LOCO at first listen & it was my favorite TT from them for awhile. I rlly think Sneakers might b my fav TT from them as i can resonate with the lyrics more just like DALLA DALLA❤ (i started stanning bcuz of Wannabe choreo but bcuz of Not Shy EP)
THIS!!!! The title tracks after Wannabe have ALL been hated and then when a new song is released you’ll have people saying it’s their absolute favorite.
thanks for this, i absolutely agree with everything. it's been really frustrating to see people complain about everything when it comes to itzy, and it felt great to hear that im not the only one who thinks the problem isn't with itzy. i love itzy so much and i know they put their everything in each album, i will always be rooting for the girls especially with kill my doubt around the corner
oh my god thank you so much for this video, i cant stand people who trash itzy esp those who just talk about sneakers. i love itzy with my whole heart, and ive stanned them since wannabe, but i cant lie its sometimes unfortunate how big that song got because it obviously sets them up to be compared to it forever. And oh my god yes the thing about cheshire is SO TRUE. That song is the definition of what kpop stand want from them yet the timing of when it came out was when so many kpop fans were hating them just to hate. Its so sad and it breaks my heart to think about how if their songs were released in a different order that thing may be different.
THE THUMBNAIL SAYS IT ALL. It’s not them and nots the songs they come out wit it’s THE AUDIENCE.
I think chasing the more childish style just seems like a mistake. I don't think sneakers is even musically that far from songs like Queencard and Spicy, I feel like the main difference and the thing that bugs fans is the lyrics just seem so childish. It just seems like they could be really easily pleasing both audiences with only the slightest change. It's not like Spicy and Queencard were too mature for the general public, both did just as good if not better than Sneakers.
I think that you’re right that that was the reason but the fact that people were coming after them for the perpetual girl crush concept and then they screamed the second they tried something new 🥲
well if u listen to the three songs, u will actually get why spicy and queencard was popular.. while sneakers sounds more like a children song tbh and it was generic tbh. PLUS, midzys expected it to be s royal concept which made the song do worse
@@charcharancharan2901 well i love it so
thats definitely another good point, the “putting your shoes on” thing could’ve been executed better. the actual meaning of the song was really cool, but no one cares bc they’re too focused on the lyrics it was written with
The lyrics are similar to queencard and allergy with the weirdo stuff so idk
I saw the title and thought "ohh that's an interesting take, let's check it out" and I honestly agree 100% with your thinking here. I never though I could ever say that a song (or an era) was actually TOO GOOD. I still think they did a lot of damage control with Cheshire though
That’s an interesting point and I agree with you. I still think that some K-pop fans are too hung up on that royal concept they’ve never got to give Sneakers a chance. I love the song and more so the album it is on. Like the other songs are fire and it’s all just so Itzy. I can’t wait for their next comeback. I already love the pre release singles.
6:15 this is SO TRUE, if cheshire was released after loco it would have been very well recieved in fact if the comeback isn't better than the popular one they are going to hate on it just like girls, set me free etc.
took the words OUT.OF.MY.MOUTH💫
I personally think its because of how sneakers is promoted at first. Because of their badass songs and girl groups around them that come out with that kind of concept. We naturally thought the sound would not be bright and up beat. If they just shoved it right to us instead of playing around the royal concept people might have just enjoyed it as a summer song..😌
I think Cheshire had a ton of potential to become an itzy staple, but given it was released after sneakers in December while they were on tour this little promotion, it was not given its proper flowers. Honestly, Snowy and Freaky are some of itzy’s best bsides. I feel like if they would have promoted Cheshire with the same energy as Sneakers earlier in the year, and then released Sneakers later on things could have went differently for them. Sneakers is a fun song and it’s catchy and good, I just think that choosing such a different sound from what they had been moving towards to promote their first world tour was a poor decision. It’s not their fault, they did what they were supposed to do. I am so sad to see how people have been treating them. They have the talent, the personalities, and the work ethic to stay on top. It just seems that JYPE have the wrong vision for them.
The real problem is their division. I’m an ahgase and witnessing GOT7 going through the same sort of treatment a few years ago was so heartbreaking. Ahgases were even warning midzy’s when itzy debuted that they would face the same issue down the road because Division 2 is good for nothing.
I knew Itzy from wannabe because my cousin and I were learning the dance but after hearing that song I became a huge fan and boys like you is one of my favourite songs and I love all their songs so I don't get why anyone wouldn't like them
I'm with you, they don't deserve this hate train and I hope the comeback will be successful
For me, mafia in the morning was pretty unlistenable and ever since I've been mostly unimpressed with their comebacks
I've never disliked an itzy title track, my favorites being chesire, not shy, loco and mitm. I also adore nmixx and the switch ups in genres! The hate train that people call criticism, groups change find something you like theres no need to hate on it, its not your favorite? no need to say anything. Itzy isn't falling off, people are just blowing it up which caused others to jump on the hate. I totally agree with this video, it is very hard to recreate a song, i get you like the song, so keep listening to it, or find others like it dont hate on the new ones just cause it doesnt sound like wannabe
you mentioned got7 and I started crying 🥺 I can't take jype's management anymore, I'm too traumatized... but I really like itzy, I wish them the best 🤧🤧
I used to fake that i hate it because of social pressure, but not anymore 😼😼
I wish everyone could watch this video !!! Completely agree with everything you said, the kpop community is really so fickle and overcritical. I love all of ITZY's title tracks and I really enjoyed Sneakers, it reminded me of early ITZY sound and was so fun and cute for the summer. we midzys will keep supporting them and I hope they'll continue to grow and succeed !!!!!
i think i’ve figured out the difference between the success of a girl group vs a boy groups success. boy groups heavily rely on a strong and dedicated fan base to succeed in the industry (examples being army, stay, exo-l) but girl groups rely heavily on the success of their music with general public and the moment there’s a new shiny thing to look at, all of a sudden the older groups are shoved off and torn down. of course there’s exceptions but this is what i’ve noticed throughout my time as a stan.
I cant believe there are people who call themselves a fan of any group but don't support them after one 'bad' song..
I think itzy’s sound is supposed to be what many people identify as kpop music. Maybe not a bright, but bubbly, refreshing, with edm bass sound, that fits the style of the song rather than to fit a particular concept of a comeback.
Dalla Dalla is a perfect example of that, including Icy, and even Wannabe and all of the b-sides. I would even say Not Shy, Loco, and Sneakers fits this theory of mines as well. I don’t think it was Wannabe that changed what people thought their direction would take, but it was In the Morning. I remember how everyone hated that song even though they loved all the b-sides to it. What’s funnier is that Itzy seemed to enjoy In the Morning much more than their previous title tracks as well.
However what I think caused the hate towards Itzy, and a increase of fans (and other stans) disliking their music was how they released each one. Itzy had such a strong debut with Dalla Dalla alongside their comeback, Icy (despite some backlash if received) followed by their best received comeback being Wannabe. However what messed them up was In the Morning, had they released their songs like this: Dalla Dalla, Icy, Sneakers, Loco, Not Shy, Wannabe, In the Morning, then Cheshire; I think people would have still hated the transition but it would’ve flowed better in my opinion.
Finally someone said it. I've been thinking about this for so long but never heard anyone talking about it this way. I've been following them since debut and officially became a midzy when wannabe came out, I genuinely love all of their title tracks but at the same time I always get a little bit dissappointed because nothing compares to Wannabe, I'm constantly waiting for them to top it with something but It just never happens, Wannabe is THE song of their carreer so far. And also I never understood all the hate sneakers gets, I love that song and I honestly think It suits their concept, also I was so glad when It came out because It was the confidence and self love boosting lyrics I always expect from Itzy, It's the core of their concept and the reason I started loving them so much. That's also why Loco isn't really my favorite, It's a great song but kind of sticks out from their orignal concept imo.
Am I the only one who loved Not Shy, Mafia in the morning and Loco the most out of Itzy's title tracks?
I agree with every single word you just said! While Sneakers isn't a song I'd choose to listen to, I like it... and I adore Boys Like You. They're a talented group under a company that doesn't give them enough attention and appreciation.
I look forward to their new comeback and already have None Of My Business and Bet On Me on repeat. I find it unfair how people are already hating on their new album because of the title Cake which hasn't even been released yet. Though I don't think it will be the most popular track on the album, it's not even bad.
Personally, I believe Psychic Lover will be THE Summer song, everyone's going to love it! The song just screams Itzy and I really hope Kill My Doubt will be the big break these girls deserve
(Edit: Itzy is my ult group and it breaks my heart to see them be rejected in such a way)
voltage we'll get u as a regular title track- honestly tbh my fave mv/title songs are still dalla + voltage surprised me tbh-
honestly seeing the themes of the b-sides on checkmate, voltage makes more sense than sneakers as a title.
The title of this video really caught my eye. You made interesting points! 👏
thanks for explaining everything so nicely.itzy is one of my favorite 4th generation girl group but i keep on hearing that have lost their shine and i didn't know why.i think i know now after watching your video and it makes complete sense.giving a massive hit song is very hard but it is even harder to continue giving more equally massive songs to your audiences.and that could lead to the downfall of artists.that has happened to many artists.it also reminds me of Billie Eilish and her track bad guy.
none of my business is such a banger
Honestly wannabe did ruin them, After someone has such a big release people are expecting to keep that popularity and to keep up with wannabe. And its hard to, even for alot of artists outside of kpop, and they end up losing alot of fans and listeners. (Sorry if it doesnt make sense, i had it in my head i just can’t explain it)