It was all going so well, but then……..
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In this weeks episode we finally start installing our roller reefing but everything goes wrong.
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I have a 1964 Columbia 26 and it has a 140 percent genoa on a roller reefing system and if you don’t have one look into getting one it’s so nice I had my 5 year old my ex and her fiancé on the boat in 25-30 mph winds and it is so easy to just pull a line in the cockpit and reduce sail and when the wind drops you can pull more out
im outside of your fanbase/groups/patreons etc, ive enjoyed your videos for many years, we have a lot in common. Anyway, my observation as an outsider is you tend to spend your time justifying every one of your decisions. I can only assume this is because of the barrage of criticism you no doubt get on every one you make!. I just thought id post this observation and encourage you to trust your own judgment!. don't seek approval from an audience of internet know-it-alls! a lion worries little of the opinions of sheep. thanks for making the videos. fair winds.
Hahaha. Thank you. Oddly one of the most common comments I get is “stop justifying yourself to people” but I guess I’m just a worrier. Yes we get tonnes of comments criticising my work, and other aspects of our personal life, 😂😂😂 Melissa doesn’t worry about it and it’s water off a ducks back so to speak, but I tend to get more triggered by stuff and head off the criticisms I anticipate re ahead of publishing the video. Learning how to “not give a shit what anyone thinks”’is something I’ve struggled with for the last 50 years but I’ll keep trying 😂😂
Love you! Keep it up! Greetings from Denmark 🇬🇧🇩🇰
Yep - and remember " A picture paints a thousand words" so you can imagine how many words a video clip paints! Don't worry about the 0.01 % that complain about everything in life... great to follow you progress 🎉🎉🎉
What happens when you ask people too Donate through whatever method
They feel there Invested in what your Doing witch 🧹 is Understandable
I can also see it from Andie's Side, Too all a Trade off
Love the channel and what you guys are doing
I wish everyone Godspeed
@@SailingMelody
Dear Andy.
Same here, unfortunately, sigh. But even 10 years longer (also unfortunately and even more sighing). 🙈😁 ;-)
Of course there's a big difference between suggestions/constructive criticism coming from people with a technical background and/or experiences to what all these keyboard warriors respectively armchair experts usually try to do. Another big difference to normal people (like matts_shed and me) is the fact, that you try respectively have to make a living by making utub videos (amongst other things). This might have a big influence on your thinking too. But you do not owe anything to "certain" people.
Best regards, luck, health and stronger nerves.
Welding aluminum is hard. The most common alloy is 6061 T6 which is a hardened alloy and when you weld it, the heat anneals the metal to an unhardened state. Looking forward to seeing what your fix is.
Hi Andy , this video reminds me of when I became 18, my boss said you know what happens when your 18, you bounce, and I was sent to spend the next year with our aerial riggers. No, i never needed to test my bouncing , there were a few near misses. Thank you for a really good video can't wait for the sequel. ❤
Thanks Cliff! Lovely to hear from you :)
Love what you do and so close it will be done time can wait ❤ the boat is more important safety ❤
Thank you so much
So we're saving for another, that should be on a t-shirt
Why not just winch the guy up on the halyard as normal. Simple and nothing to jam or fail. Use the spiny halyard as a safety line.
Great video though mate, hope to catch you guys in the sunny Mediterranean
Just looking at different ways to do it.
Our halyard winches are a bit on the pathetic side and aren’t self tailers though so it would be hard work
That’s a funny coincidence , my episode this week was fitting my furling system and raising it above the anchor 😃
Oh really lol. Link it in a comment here
Excellent informative episode. Thank You very much for a look at part of a cruisers life. I don't like heights as it makes a part of me quiver and feel loose.
Hi, I mounted mast steps on my lagoon 42. Quite expensive but a good investment for future mast climbing. STAY SAFE ! 😊
It’s something we may do at some point
@@SailingMelodybut steps mean more wrapped & tangled halyards, more holes in your mastt and more leeway
A great pity about the welds but congratulations on keeping on going to get it done in the end as far as you have got. Better welds fail now than when at sea. Keep well and safe. James.
Yeah absolutely
It would have been very very bad if they’d failed in operation
Well done for sorting the breakage in the weld that was a quick way of climbing by Lee very watchable video see you next time 😊😊
Andy - maybe not for now but if you put one of those broken sections aside and measure it up accurately - and get it manufactured from HDPE - make it a bit longer than the original to share the load and love. Or maybe even ask for help from a 3D printer guru?
Great video
Well done all
Great video as always Andy hope your all well and getting ready for the off 😊
Thanks, Andy, for sharing this. It's interesting how you're going about fitting this sail system together.
You were saying they don't make this system the one you have anymore. Question? What if sailing across Atlantic or Indian Ocean, etc, this system breaks down. Won't it be next to impossible getting replacement parts?
I am looking forward to the next video to find out how everything finally goes. Cheers mate
I've recently totally stripped and rebuilt an obsolete but very substantial ancient Plastimo furling system, for 12m upwards yachts. The foil joiner sections were originally riveted, many had snapped, or loose, so i drilled, tapped, for counter-sink stainless, as you've done. The joiners were about 20cm total, maybe less ... so, i can't see any issues with you using just half the broken pieces. IMPORTANT lesson learnt ... I followed same advice as you, used a paste,duralac (zinc chromate) on threads, to address corrosion issue, in aluminium. After 5 years, many storms, hurricane last November, some screws worked loose, with the vibration. Serious, as it can block the top swivel sleeve, if you're needing to drop the sail down, say, if fuling jams, and severe weather imminent. So ... Now all refitted, with red Loctite, which will only release with heat! Some advocate Sika 291, but, i really want these to be permanent, fail-proof.
That's great advice thanks
Excellent !! Wish I could be there as an extra engineer brain. 🙄
You’ve got this, your family has got this (well, maybe Ollie is a tad too young). Go for it, be confident and continue to think things through.
Thank you 😊
Dear Sailing Melody family.
👍👌👏 Oh WOW, that's quite high up. Best regards luck and especially health to all involved people.
So sorry to hear about all the setbacks stalking your timetable. Take solace knowing that you will soon be in warmer waters and these inopportune difficulties will be but memories -- that price paid for a future of sailing enjoyment with your family.
Wow‼️looks amazing
WOW!!! I did a little bit of abseiling a very long time ago and we had nothing like that equipment for climbing a rope that ease. Super impressed how things have changed. Thanks for showing it.
Thank you for showing all the gear you use for tree work and also for climbing the mast! very interesting and fun to watch! It is also a specialty that many would never be able to do without training! You are brave! I have been watching the two Melodys since the beginning. So interesting.
This is really cool Guys very informative!
Cheers guys.. I’m sure you will get it sorted.. 😊
A view from the UK. May i respectfully suggest that when using tools on or around the deck of your boat you tie them you your belt with a 'lead line' just in case. Once they are overboard they are gone. Adjustable spanners ain't cheap.
Very good advice! Thanks
It's likely to be expensive, but just have a metal fab shop create new joiners. Just a reminder (from many years of storm sailing) how powerful the wind and water is. It is no fun to have your (Harken) roller reefing jamed in heavy air. (Please, please don't ask how I know that🤗)
Yes I plan to do exactly that
This might be intentional on your part, but I noticed that your swivel is connected via a shackle to your anchor. Most want a few links of chain to allow lots lateral movement. May or may not be required for your swivel. Ymmv
Andy, if you use silicone in it, beware that some has acidics in them which corrodes stainless steel. 😅
Yeah im looking into this
@@SailingMelody i use tech7, it glues also, as well as waterproofing. i talked with a guy that say they use it on oilrigs to waterproof and stuff.
Do not put any silicon in the fittings its highly recommended not to also by experts, if you do it will rust, stainless needs to breathe . It’s clearly explained in one of the Parlay episodes when they changed the whole rigging.
There’s mixed advice on the subject. Sta-Loc themselves specifically don’t comment on it. On the videos they say “some people like to and others don’t but it’s personal preference”
@@SailingMelodyI suggest watching episode 221 from 32min, expert from Selden Masts, wish you luck
In my admittely limited experience I have found silicon to be a damn nuisance if for some reason you find it necessary to dismantle the kit.
Silicon won't add any strength and it's likely to be a water trap so my preference would be to keep everything clean so that you can see what the assembly looks like.
Surely someone must have one of those joiner pieces ?
@@Davidcallardsome people put lanolin grease in there.
Amen 🙏
Yes, it’s a funny system with the inserts and tiny tiny screws, but when all is connected it works super enourmously extravagantly very sickley great!
Uhr, about the exaggerating heart attacking clickbait titles, you don’t need them.😊 I really like your channel. Keep up the good work, good spirits and the mast too
Hahaha. 🤣 they do work great doesn’t that. Really counter intuitive.
The subject of titles is super interesting.
About 50% of our viewers are regular viewers who would watch no matter what the title or thumbnail is.
The other 50% is people who have never seen us before.
We have found over the course of the last 200 videos that something as simple as a STOP sign or a Heart can triple or quadruple the views from people who haven’t seen us before.
If we use bland titles with a simple description of the content “Andy and Melissa work on the anchor problem” or something like that we will still get the same views from our regular viewers but our “new viewers” go theohhh the floor
Genuinely it makes the difference beteeen a video getting 25k views or 75k views.
So for you, no we don’t need them.
For the the growth of the channel, we definitely need them.
Andy - you’ve got this! Loved the way you took everyone through the details. And admiring of the skills you show. Also, as a lifelong sailor wedded to my Bosun’s chair, I learned a lot about the techniques employed by landlubbers. Us seafarers can learn a Thing. Brilliant! 😊
I wish that you had a new roller furling system, How about it Harken ? 😊 take a look at this fine sailing ⛵️ family !
If you know the marketing manager at harken give them a buzz lol
@@SailingMelody Andy , I rubbed my lamp 🪔 and wished ….. for Harken to harken to your need. 😇🤣😄
Haha thanks 🙏
Well that was a big day for you and your team. Looking forward to seeing the next episode with the rather daunting situation resolved.
I recently took on the ownership of a yacht that has had the halyards pulled up to the top of the mast (hopefully) for reasons that escapes the previous owner. Such are boats eh?
Wishing you all the best.
Time for a helmet for that mast climb!!!! I trust you will find some shops to make these parts for you. With the original a good cad program will be able to pop some out for you in no time!!!! I could be wrong; but, I hope it’s this easy!!!!
I've got a climbing helmet I just forgot it
Hey Andy. Do you think those joiners could be re-manufactured? I’d be interested in looking into the possibility. Maybe get some good detailed pictures. I do some part time work for an inventor, and everything I design and make has never been made before.
And, I gave a Super Thanks one time. Then I found out that TH-cam availed themselves of 50% of my generosity. That was the last ST I ever sent. PayPal or Ko-fi moving forward
Yes. I’m looking for someone with a small machine shop who can mill them out of some bar for me
@@SailingMelody I guess it should not be some bar, but aluminum of appropriate grade ? Could you get specs from Harken ?
@@SailingMelody where there’s a will, there’s a way. Wish I weren’t across the pond, or I’d be glad to help.
There’s a US based channel, Windy Hill Foundry. I’ve seen him cast some obsolete boat parts. If you have time to dig, sometimes you can find amazing things.
What a rip ! Even PayPal don't take anything like that,!
Stick with hank on until you can afford a new furling system that works with your limited space. Hank on will provide better sail performance over the convenience of roller furling.
Don’t have room for that many sails
It’s not a how to channel. It’s a what happened channel😂 Bravo❤❤
The last time I climbed that high was after closing a twistlock which the bloody stevedores did not close. Climbing down 4 shipping containers was not the problem. Climbing up was....... it was funny to find out that at the 3rd container there were no more good points to grab. I had to litterally let go with both hands and grab the next point above my head. That together with the fatigue building up my muscles..... After that I refuse to do vertical climbs like that again.
Wisdom does not come with age it comes with stupid actions 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Hi, I would just ask a machine shop to produce a new set of joiners following the dimensions of the old one's. Shouldn't be so hard and you don't rely on broken/welded parts. //R.
What is the soundtrack? I like it!! ❤️
No axes or chainsaws needed 🤣Lee sounds like a damn good bloke! Arborist, Surgeon and Lifeboat crew. Does the mainsail wrap round the boom, like the spinnaker on the forestay? Bugga, go up easy come down slow Gandolph! Thanks m8s, stay vertical Eh!
He's a good guy; very knowledgeable
You make your own luck. I wouldn't risk that system.
Watch next week's episode for the follow up
@@SailingMelody Its very ramshackle, i wouldnt trust it, it needs upgrading.
It's a shame you can't get someone with a 3D printer that prints metalic items to scan and print some new parts for you. Or a fabrication shop to make all new ones for you at a decent price.
As you would say you got bigger bullocks than me going up that 😮
Can you fabricate new joining sections ? Made without a weld, so as strong as original ?
In his reply to someone who asked the same question, Andy said, "...I will 100% be wanting to have some full length joiners manufactured and installed..."
The only reason I can think of for those welds to have broken is because those joiners (inserts) are cast aluminum. Did the inserts snap through the weld, or right next to the weld?
nice
Andy, could you not go to a shop that has a CNC machine and get them to machine a new joiner (s)? Or is that cost prohibitive?
See next week's episode for the answer to this ;)
3D printing ? 😊
Formica!
Yes!!! Yes!!! Yes!!! I am with you
HI Andy, cauld you have some of your joiners cast? then you would have some spares if any do break in the future.
You have the template to have new ones fabricated, replace all for safety's sake and peace of mind.
It is a very high position to be in😬
It’s perfect. We checked with two riggers and with precision sails
Its to late now but I would have took a piece of tubing put inside the brackets drilled and screwed in place on 8 points per bracket. Then had them welded together leaving screws in forever. P.S. better to brake now then rep in the middle of the Ocean.
I am happy to hear that welds broke now. What would be if they survived installation but broke later under load. Still worried about half-length hack, the loads on forestay should be substantial
I agree. Obviously we are strongly avoiding heavy weather sailing because apart from anything else we have a young family on board, and setting up a boat specifically for heavy weather and high latitude winter sailing is a whole subject in its self. But I will 100% be wanting to have some full length joiners manufactured and installed before we anticipate encountering anything serious. In the current state I’m very confident the system is more than strong enough for anything we’re likely to find ourselves in. We aren’t in the big southern oceans and won’t be doing any sailing in bad weather for a long long time. And if the forecast is bad we wouldn’t be sailing anywhere anyway because of having a family on board so our margins are very conservative. But I totally agree and will get this resolved as soon as possible
@SailingMelody
Unfortunately, Andy, as I'm sure you must be aware, the bloody weather doesn't often çooperate in with us outdoors types!
@@SailingMelody Hi Andy and family, if a joiner fails while under way would the only issue be that the furling system may not be usable, am I right in saying the forestay will still be holding the mast as it runs through the center of the furler tubing so it would be a nuisance rather than a safety issue
Yes absolutely worst case scenario is dropping the foresail
Could you link in the description where we could buy the solution the arborist used to climb up?
I'll get links and put them in next week's continuation video
How much of a twisting load is there on the tubes? I see you had a ladder system there as well but chose not to use it? Did it not fit your mast?
The question is...
Were the welds vee prepped before welding? If not and those non-prepped welds were ground back to make the outside look very pretty, then they couldn't in the slightest way be described as suitable for purpose.
In hindsight, if the machine shop doesn't under normal circumstances carry out this type of structural welding, then cosmetic welds were the result.
I got huge Ceder 🌲 trees at my joint chopped down
My mate from the Pub did it Who has a 🌲 business same as that dude
I can't handle Heights even a ladder I go all Wonky
He Just straight up like a Possom or something with his chainsaw
Very Impressive 😮
is any of the music yours?
No. Not in this episode: music from Epidemic sound
Sorry next time you need a strong weld on the ally go find a coded welder not some cheap Charlie who’s think it knows
Well I thought they'd been done properly. Mark took them to a reputable engineering firm. People have been saying it's to do with the way welding changes the properties of the Ali which is beyond my level of knowledge but sounds plausible
I found myself going two times speed not really interested in the equipment for climbing the mast just the job at hand
Contact Leo about climbing masts.. Tally Ho
There’s so many great videos on the subject aren’t there
How is the family? Recovering?
They’re much better thanks, I forgot to mention
@@SailingMelody That's great. It's always bad to have a small child with a horrible infection and there's not much to do but support him and wait it out...
Best wishes to the family and your good self of course
Worked as a labourer for over 30 years, took my hard hat off got yelled at. Turned round and what is going to hit my head, if it's a plane a hard hat will not work. Just thought you would like a laugh. On a roof.
Get a new one. Scary it’s breaking what else is gonna go.
Would love to. Can’t afford to. They’re thousands of pounds. This one is in excellent condition and no other parts are remotely worn out: I’m not binning a perfectly good system for the sake of a few small parts which I can get manufactured. The repair I’d have done will probably last forever but I will of course get the replacement parts made to return the system back to the original specification. But I’m sorry I don’t agree with throwing stuff away because of one small part which can be repaired. I do agree that until it’s been fully repaired then don’t push the system to find its limits and treat it sensibly, which I will do, but why on earth would you thrown away thousands of pounds of equipment because of a broken part. I guess if you don’t understand how to get stuff made and manufactured and you’re frightened of complicated engineering then maybe that’s a good way to go. But I understand the problem, and the solution and can work within the limits of what I have until the issue is resolved. Throwing money at a problem isn’t always the answer and to be honest a lot of the newer systems are not as strong as what I have here, even with the fix I’ve done think it’s stronger than lot of new systems
@@SailingMelody I know I have been critical of your methods in the past but, this time I agree with you. Find out from the original manufacturers the type of alloy used, find a machine shop that can rattle out a complete new set of joiners on a CNC machine, plus a few spares while they are at it. Job will be a good 'un. Best wishes to you and your family.
Selfmade joints for this application ? 😮
From the Rigger - according to industry standards, the anticipated lifespan for stainless steel rigging is 10-12 years for wire and 15-20 years for rod...
To me, at least, this was just 30 minutes of Gibberish 😂..you may as well of been talking French...I mean what's a Marst 😂.
What did i just watch 😂😂
I don’t know. What did you just watch?
Too much rock guitar detracts from the video
Oh dear. I’m sorry. What would you prefer?
Something a bit less edgy as its a boat series not a rock concert 😀
Another setback, they seem to have followed you around for 3 years, what a slog, and now you are unfortunately racing the clock, you will need a holiday before you cast off to get yourself in order. I would advise against sailing with a dodgy furling system, you don’t need to be told of the forces generated by a Genoa when unfurled. I feel sure that if you contact rigging companies they will have those pieces in their old stock, they throw nothing away from rigging renewals.
You're saving up to buy a microphone? You have to save up to get £20? Sounds like begging for charity to me because if you can't afford £20 maybe you should give up boating?
The microphones we use are quite expensive, we broke our current one and we have other stuff to pay for before we can justify paying out a good few hundred pounds for a new one. From our experience the £20 ones aren't any good.
How much of a twisting load is there on the tubes? I see you had a ladder system there as well but chose not to use it? Did it not fit your mast?
Watch the continuation next week for the answer to these questions
Over all with the spread there isn't a huge load on those tubes, I'm confident the fix is very strong