Christmas boxes should be a LOT of weird stuff, different types of units AND one centerpiece type model/unit. I dont wanna have 15 minis for christmas, I want a lot of stuff to do for like 2 months
honestly, any discout box thats a spam of 1 unit is bad imo i would VASTLY prefer 4 different units, over 3 of the same with 1 extra, no matter what they are
@@gregsmwnow while I do agree I have to say the guard box should get a pass sense 20 guys and 2 Rogal dorns for less than 300 buck in freedom is good and if you get the combat patrol(or cadia stands sense now on places like Amazon it’s cheaper) you now got around 885 points for only 340 freedom papers of units you want to run with only one dupe and the field ordnance batterie which you probably don’t want to
Trust me you definitely don't want that, we've had those types of boxes before and they are a god aweful entry point to the hobby. In the past it would be stuffed with unplayable garbage that no one would ever buy
I don't think our hosts understand Guard. 60 infantry isn't the max you'd want in an army, it's the minimum for a balanced force. And command squads are great for building stand ins for our absurdly overpriced characters, so having a few extra is great. 2 combat patrols and this holiday box is a very good start to an IG army.
What do you typically run for IG lists? I hear a lot of comments from Poorhammer being frustrated by the focus on Cadian infantry, as opposed to Krieg.
Yeah, 60 sounds like a lot until you remember that it's 120 points for 20 Cadians. 20 Cadians are the equivalent to 10 Necron Warriors, 10 Eldar Storm Guardians (and their lil artillery thing ig), 5 Khorne Zerkers, etc. Like they even acknowledge with other hordey infantry (nid gaunts) that you're probably running 60 of them if you're trying to use gaunts in a balanced list, but they seem to treat Guard as if people only play it with 90% tanks. I get not knowing armies well, but cmon, you treated Nids right and they use battleline the same way! Hell, 60 hormagaunts is still less reasonable than 60 cadians, bc unless you're doing a swarm oriented list, or just fucking love hormagaunts, you'll still probably have a mix of termagants and hormagaunts, whereas Guards basic infantry aren't mechanically all that different. Nobody has any reason to run Cadians and Krieg in the same list aside from thinking that they both look cool.
@@legodragon1999not OP but I am a guard main. The number can honestly depend on what kind of list you’re running, but as another commenter said 20 of our guys is roughly the same strength of the standard squad of almost every other army. Basically, in you’re running a regular old combined arms type list, you’re looking at around 100-120 bodies. For a tank focused list, about 60-80; for an artillery list, 80-100. And of course infantry focused lists will go even higher. It’s even possible to do a pure infantry list and get about 360 models on the board (and it’s strangely viable, too). PS: Kreigers and Cadians actually have separate datasheets. The basic gist is that cadians take objectives better while kreigers are more tanky.
Hosts are dead set on guard being the "Only tanks" army and ignore the existence of troops on a frequent basis, according to Brad and Erick the only way to play guard is 80 Leeman Russes and like one squad of infantry to sit on the back objective, why? simple, they don't like horde armies (unless you are nids ig) and Horde guard players find it annoying (Hell, I aint even a guard player and I find it annoying)
"If you have an aunt or an uncle who's buying 200 US dollars worth of stuff, hook me up with that aunt or uncle." I totally wasn't thinking adopted aunt, I was thinking Brad wanted a new sugar mamma/daddy on the side for his GW fix.
All infantry guard! 6 * 20 man Cadians - 120 (720 points), 6 * 20 man Infantry - 120 (720 points), 5 * 20 man Catachans - 100 (550 points) totaling 340 infantry! Might need to remove half a squad for an HQ but 60 guardsman isn't even close to enough!
As a Raven Guard player I love that we got our own box! I just saw it walking by my local game store one day and was surprised when I saw that because GW kinda forgets about us! And it’s everything a Raven Guard player could want. Except Reivers. I can’t help them there.
Crazy thing is...almost. In UK after the 20% off they get there(because they get lowest base price as well as the best standard discount for 3rd party stores), Angron comes out to £80, which equates to $100 USD.
@@demon1103 can confirm got angron for like £84 plus a few quid off with my loyalty points. Recently got a questoris NIB for £55 too off FB marketplace they MSRP at £105 and on 3rd party stores go for about £80-90
We need a dream faction box video, I'd love to see what you guys would pick for fairly balanced starter boxes, you guys could even pull a GW and try and fit in a kit that doesn't sell well for each faction
"The Voh-taaaahn~" is so very melodious. Edit: Also, you understandably forgot the lift suited guys with the heavy weapons, one of the coolest but under represented units in the range.
The problem with the guard box is the “value” is in the free guardsmen, but I don’t know any guard player that needs more guardsmen. We all have tons already and tons unpainted because we get them in every box we buy. For a starting player I think they’re great (except you’ll quickly have too many command squads).
As a starting Guard player, that's pretty much my opinion. I do have too many Command Squads, using this and a couple of the Combat Patrols (and I arguably have too many Dorns, since I picked one up before the Christmas boxes got revealed), but at least they add meaningful durability to a squad through their medic's Feel No Pain, and help get Orders all over the board, even after casualties. But I am expecting to enjoy not having more Guardsmen to paint, and doing it purely for art reasons. Still, I plan to pick up another couple of Shock Troops boxes, to kitbash some Catachan-equivalent squads together. My first planned list is going to have 80 dudes, and some Scions.
Despite collecting guard for a few years now, I actually don't mind the extra command squads flying around. They're not terrible to kitbash into other things. I've done psykers, Regimental advisors, commissars, and some book characters for my tanith.
The problem is infantry squads are silly expensive, and value boxes are often aimed towards players starting armies over veterans. Without the old 15 dollar box of 5 cadians you really need infantry in the value boxes to cut the cost of a guard army down.
@@DragonuFearikr i love how gw wants to sell you stuff and price it based off of how much of an army it takes up, unless thatd take the price below like 60 or 50 bucks. Outriders being 60 is ridiculous for literally 1 and a half sprues
My wife got the Votann box, and I got the Tyranid one. Need those Nids for Horde mode, and also the Emissary is just cool. My wife was kinda falling out of love with the hobby until we played Horde mode, and now she's looking to pick up the Combat Patrol too so she has the whole army like you said lol I tried to get her to get the Ork one because I love Squigs, but she plays Ork vehicles and already has a Kill Rig, so it didn't really interest her. I could have picked it up for myself I guess, but I wanted the Nid box more and money is expensive "It hurts when I get up." You didn't have to come for me like this Brad, you didn't have to go for the throat
The Tyranid Box is a bit of savings, but I think the real reason it sold out so fast is because Norns have been out of stock since release. I personally do not need another flying hive tyrant to take up an entire case, so I can wait till the fabled day when I find a norn at my flgs.
Australians have just brutal prices, exchange rate's about 2 AUD to 1 GBP, but they pay a 3 to 1 rate. 224 for a Kill Rig and 98 for Outriders. Interesting to contrast them with Japan, which has a similar exchange rate (after the yen are cents math) but much lower prices, 18700 for a Rig and 8300 for Outriders. I get that their pricing models are from a bygone time, and they like to talk about how much it costs to ship things out there, but I can't imagine trying to partake in this hobby at GW prices over there.
@@nebulonian1385gw shifting the costs to the consumer is pretty dogshit when they likely ship in large bulk quantities. Espescially making it a difference of 10-40 dollars or more
The only Christmas box I regret missing out on was the Knights box last year. I really want to make a Chaos Knight army and that would have been great but of course I was a dummy and saying “nope not going to start a new army” back then. I’m pretty sure I’ll never see a thousand sons box set that’s worth it because I already have the major centerpiece.
Honestly i felt similar about the nids box this year. I kinda wish it didnt have the hive tyrant because theres so many hive tyrants floating around on ebay and stuff. Its been in like, every value box for nids for years
Agreed. Cause the Salamanders Strikeforce box gave you. Adrax, 3 Aggressors, 3 Eradicators, and I believe 20 Intercessors along with Salamander Primaris frames. Which is an amazing starting point for someone wanting to play Salamanders. Or even just getting some decent units for marines.
The Sylvaneth box from last year was killer. If you built it for max points, it was like 1300 and all useful units. For another $200 or so, you could make a legitimately solid starting army.
The Ossiarch Box this year is absolutely bonkers value. Morghasts are a pain in the ass to find in the US, you get a LK, and you get more of your anchor units (Mortek+Nanny and Kavalos). It’s very solid and the Harvester is pretty fun to paint.
In defense of your statement on the guard box: as a guard player myself 40 infantry from this box and the combat patrol alone is not enough. Most guard players run a minimum 60 and an average of 80-90. If you’re going heavy into infantry that number goes well over 100. If there is anything certain with guard, you can never not use another 10 or 20 infantry here or there.
I may well be wrong, but I think the Daemon Fulgrim release for the Horus Heresy all but confirms that we won't be getting a 40k update to Fulgrim or Emperor's Children for a long, long time.
Well, there's now an Emperor's Children Index. It's trash, but it most likely means that either the end of this year or sometimes next year, we'll get a proper release for them.
You guys should compare start collecting/combat patrols over the years. And the old school battleforce boxes. But yeah that SM box is so transparently dangling 15 of the new shiny assault guys in front of you so they can get rid of the atvs and bikes.
I hope you guys come back to do the 24 battle forces. We got a pretty good dark angels box, a pile of tau battle suits, a slightly worse version of the last knights one, sisters rhinos and friends, and void dragon plus warriors.
That ending remarks of the "go back in time 6 moths to get your aemy box" is some thing some one actually told me when i was contemplating votann but instead of 6 months it was like a year
I ordered two of the Orks boxes because every single bit can take two variants of it if it's not an infantry kit and it gets you so many options. I'm stacking it on with my CP and the Boarding Patrol.
for the guard box. as a guard player you NEED like 50-60 guard at least if you're going armoured to be competitive. if you're going arty you need way more and if you're going pure infantry you need WAY WAY more. Command Squads are useful not for having like 2 command squads but because you can get a command squad and kit bash 5 different HQs for cheap.
As a Guard player, I have wanted at least 1 Rogal Dorn tank since they released, but could never get my hands on one. As soon as I saw this had 2 Dorns, I grabbed at it because I already have a nearly full Guard army
I was so angry at how fast the boxes sold out. These should be for newbies getting into the hobby and someone casually wanting to pick this up would just never get a chance. I tell people to play AoS cause it’s more newbie friendly and the models are more available/cheaper
I am looking forward to my squig box. I really want a 2K army of squig orks. Not big into the rest of the ork line. Definitely tempted to buy 2 if my local game store has a second copy.
I'm under the impression that they roll a bunch of dice and select units off a paper depending on what the dice say after throwing in whatever they can't sell and/or are pushing.
The price hike is more drastic in canada where I think they went from like 220 to 280. Combined with our taxes (which can be up to 13%) this is quite a huge jump for the average collector.
The Thousand Sons box from last year was my first foray into the tabletop portion of Warhammer. Think it's kinda cool that I started and finished my first year of the hobby with Daemon Primarchs.
Not gonna lie.... I was expecting a "And they are already out of stock" after the transition to the show at 0:26. Great episode. I hope the patrons ask for an AoS episode.
I bought Bastion Strike Force recently because I am building imperial fists based army. It fills all my Gravis-clad desires and I get aggressors which are strong now. Gordon I didn't own so was a good pickup for me.
The fact that an ATV costs 50 dollars and Outriders cost 60 is absolutely disgusting. They should not, under any circumstances, cost anywhere near that much money. ATV should be 35 dollars most like the old Attack Bike was.
Leagues box: Cool. Awesome. Nice mix of units. Got me to start a Leagues army. The box I got. Guard box: Cool. Awesome. Personally would've swapped one of the Dorns out for either a Leman Russ or a pair of Sentinels, but it's a neat tank so it's fine. Tyranids box: Cool. Awesome. Nice spread of units, but I've pretty much got all that stuff anyway. Doesn't matter so it's fine. Orks box: Not a huge fan of Snaggas. Not that I don't like 'em, just not interested in 'em. Fine I guess. Don't really care. Space Marines box: Boring. Shit. Terrible. Garbage. Who the fuck came up with this box. World Eaters box: WHAT IS IT WITH EVERYONE AND EIGHTBOUND?! THIS THING SOLD OUT *IMMEDIATELY.*
Just for the future, if your are stuck getting pushfit, clip a small bit of the pins they will fit better. With the outriders i broke the pins off completely, as a couple were broke in the indomitus box and made it easier to make the gap minimal. Hope this help someoen.
Christmas boxes are so weird man. They're clearly designed and marketed as gifts, but for the majority of people it's a hard sell to ask them to spend $250-$300 depending on what currency you use on, to someone who is unfamiliar with the hobby, literally just plastic toys.
As a new player who is itching to break into World Eaters, this box looks absolutely delectable. Plus, Poorhammer signing off on it is just the confirmation I need to know I'm not getting screwed. BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD!
Hey, Funny story from a german here the World eaters were sold out almost instantly and the Crap marines are still available 4 days later. 🤣 however i myself am happy that i got myself a set of the Tyranids (sold out after the first hour) so im gonna see if i can get my hands on a leviathan box next month so im really good off in the mix and match department (I literaly just started collecting the tyranids like half a month ago). The rest sold out also quite quickly but to me it so fucking hilarious that their "poster children" are so unwanted😆 considering the value of the box it's no surprise but still im smiling thinking about it
I was somewhat relieved that SIsters didn't get a box this year, though it's hard to get Sisters at a discount, I still have the last 2 Sisters Christmas boxes on my shelf (because Sisters at a discount is an auto-buy).
Starting Votann, managed to get one copy of the Christmas box (would have tried for two but was also getting the Orks) from my FLGS but managed to find a Sagitaur at a discount as well which I've grabbed. Then I'm going to use the loyalty points the store offer for another Hekaton in the future. More roundabout way than getting two of the Christmas box but pretty good way of getting that sweet double up of the expensive/hard-to-find vehicles.
Their value is generally terrible for the amount of money you have to put in. When I first bought holiday boxes they were 80ish dollars, now they are 200+ Who the fuck can afford them anymore? I don't care about how much you save because I can't realistically afford the box in the first place.
As a World Eaters player: that is 2 Eightbound kits. Many people have difficulty finding *any* Eightbound, let alone two whole kits. Solid from that alone
I am way late here but I am only now catching up with the podcast at the moment. One thing you missed when talking about the Imperial Fists and Raven Guard boxes is that they also included the upgrade sprues specific to those factions. They have limited value to players that aren't specificially in those factions, but they are still part of the monetary value. I would actually say that those Battle Force boxes for specific marine chapters are actually a good concept, as they give a bit more direction and allow for better deals for specific play styles, but I would say they could have used a bit more variety in them. As someone who started a Slamanders army this past year I was very happy with picking up their box, even though I still have 10 Intercessors on sprues that I will probably sell instead of build. Then again, they probably had the best box among them, and I got a discount at my LGS.
I mean, if I played orks I’d be all over it. I just cannot let myself buy a horde army and then jump all in. I also think part of my problem is my brain only has so much capacity for 40K and I’m struggling to retain all the knowledge.
As a reminder, Ebay is a GREAT way to get a lot of miniatures. Maybe not precisely what you want each time, but I have 3000 points worth of misc black templars including 5 Dreadnoughts, 4 Rhinos, a drop pod and well over 50 marines, Helbrecht and more for 350 US.
this new thing is this time is : when you buy some of them twice (when you can) you can actually make a very nice army . The best in mind for me are Tyranids, Orks and Votaans . (got lucky enough to buy 2 ork ones and 1 tyranid... i can't think of a best deal to keep me occupied for years).
You forgot to mention the large double upgrade kits included with the Raven Fuard and Imperial Fist boxes, on top of the characters. So you lose potentially $80-90 value on those. I'll probably be grabbing a second of the new SM boxes to go with my first. Same for the Tyranids one that I already ordered. I collect Space Wolves, Dark Angels and Black Templars (all with Deathwatch shoulders) so the new SM box is super valuable to me as I own zero jump troops and can always use more bikes, lol. The Tyranids boxes will bring my Norn and Tyrant collection up to 5 each. These days you want two Flyrants for your Vanguard Detachment. So some good value to keep me busy next year.
3:15 God I wish I could still get em that cheap. I am lucky to find outriders at under $50 now I would also say that comparing the DG/TS box to WE is very reasonable
Something i thought about during this video, what should Warhammer minis be priced at? I mean, we all know Warhammer is over priced, but by how much? Like, how much should a box of infantry be? How about a character, or vehicle/monster?
One thing I’d like in the Cadian Defense Force is a heavy weapon team. It could be another unit or be mixed with the infantry to run them as infantry squads and platoon command squad
Besides 2 squads of cultists and a myphtic blight crawler i never brought a singular box for any of my warer armies. Only big boxes most of the time with a discount. So far not bad.
A quick note on the world eaters box: eightbound are nearly war dog levels of impossible to find. They've been pretty much out of stock since the army launched, and whenever they're restocked, yhey sell out in minutes. The box including 6 of them is a huge selling point, and probably why it sold out in 5 minutes
To be fair, the Christmas boxes at least had loads of the new models in them, so they were decent even for veteran players. Most of the time they just throw in old stuff to make up the numbers, like the old guard kits, chimera, old boys kits, etc in the 2020 ones
Speaking as a Votann player who had to experience having only the combat patrol box and not being able to buy everything after because it sold out right away, I loved the Ancestors box as it had everything I needed and could want. Not to mention at the time it was readily available than the individual plastic kits, oddly enough now that I think about it.
It's good to know thatafter spending time buying, building and painting my hormaguants, genestealers, hive tyrant that I'm going to have a fairly unique army.
I bit the bullet and went for the tyranid on. It has literally all of what I need to complete my post Leviathan release set that I got. I'm actually ecstatic for. I paid way too much, but I cannot wait to have those freaking new hormagants and Genestealers...and that sexy new nornqueen
But where can you get them ? (Now) The Space Marine box is really bad if you take into account that the ATV is in Warhammer Imperium Magazine, so the savings compared to where you can get them alternatively is really bad.
So I managed to get hold of 3 Christmas boxes - two Votann and a World Eaters one @ 25% off RRP so £315 for all 3. The objective with the WE box was get a cheap Angron - Already sold the 6x Eightbound for £60, selling the Berzerkers for £30. So that's a £25 Angron model. Second Votann box got rid of half the hearthguard and extra characters which equals a Sagitaur, Hekaton and 5 Hearthguard for like £45-50 I think.
In puncto shrinkflation: The favorite potato chips of my daughter was like 200g in 2005 and is now, for the same price, .... 75 gramms. It's outrageous.
This years Marine box was also the worst value in terms of overall savings compared to standard RRP -20% (at least in UK prices). Votann was £78 off, Orks £64, Guard £54, Tyranids £48 and Marines only £46. Many places weren't even selling at 20% discount so you're potentially only really saving like £20. It felt like they were trying to take advantage of the "Space Marines always sell factor" in a time when that is now no longer as true.
I think it shold be pointed out that the Cadian Defense Force is a better value than the old Bastion Platoon. Back in the day, those cadian guard were only 35$ (maybe 45$ with the cadian upgrade sprue? but im pretty sure that sprue dropped in late 2021) And the old Sentinel was *dirt* cheap. While the comparison to now $$ might be good, I don't think its a true comparison to prices back then vs now, as the *new* cadian guard
I got the Salamanders strike force off Amazon when I got into 40K, The Aggressors, Eradicators and Adrax were good and the upgrade kits were useful but the rest of the box was just 20 Intercessors. I still have 15 unpainted Intercessors
In AU, the space marine box was 285 (third party) and 3 Jump Intercessors and a Captain is 280. I'll pay $5AUD for 3 out riders and an ATV. But if I didn't specifically want 20 Jump intercessors, and waited for the Christmas box incase they showed up, then I'd be pissed at this box.
I was lucky enough to get two Votann boxes and bought two combat patrols only needed to get two other things and I am now officially done buying my army :) loved this box
I’m at least happy that hormagaunts are finally in a value box, hormagaunts are meant to be the vast ones that burry fortresses, of course they should be in value boxes!
In regards to the Krieg issue, I feel like the reason they don't do it is because there is only 1 plastic Krieg kit. As much as I want a full plastic refresh of Krieg, they aren't going to add them to combo boxes because they don't match the aesthetics of virtually every other Guard kit (FOB, Scout Sentinel, Rogal Dorn, Command Squad, etc). Ideally, I would like an upgrade sprue so I can convert at least my tank commanders and stuff without buying from forgeworld.
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You should each design ideal Christmas box. (same price, roughly same box discount and put in what you each would want from such box)
Found the GW employee.
@@Jack-wy4cg good, maybe they could redesign battle sisters to include multimelta
i second this. i'd like to hear their views on their own Christmas box and what you want in it.
That’s a great video idea
@@Jack-wy4cg nope, I just like this type of their videos
Christmas boxes should be a LOT of weird stuff, different types of units AND one centerpiece type model/unit. I dont wanna have 15 minis for christmas, I want a lot of stuff to do for like 2 months
honestly, any discout box thats a spam of 1 unit is bad imo
i would VASTLY prefer 4 different units, over 3 of the same with 1 extra, no matter what they are
@@gregsmwnow while I do agree I have to say the guard box should get a pass sense 20 guys and 2 Rogal dorns for less than 300 buck in freedom is good and if you get the combat patrol(or cadia stands sense now on places like Amazon it’s cheaper) you now got around 885 points for only 340 freedom papers of units you want to run with only one dupe and the field ordnance batterie which you probably don’t want to
Trust me you definitely don't want that, we've had those types of boxes before and they are a god aweful entry point to the hobby. In the past it would be stuffed with unplayable garbage that no one would ever buy
@gabemamede5793
Depends if you are coming at it from the perspective of painter vs a player
I don't think our hosts understand Guard. 60 infantry isn't the max you'd want in an army, it's the minimum for a balanced force.
And command squads are great for building stand ins for our absurdly overpriced characters, so having a few extra is great.
2 combat patrols and this holiday box is a very good start to an IG army.
What do you typically run for IG lists? I hear a lot of comments from Poorhammer being frustrated by the focus on Cadian infantry, as opposed to Krieg.
Yeah, 60 sounds like a lot until you remember that it's 120 points for 20 Cadians. 20 Cadians are the equivalent to 10 Necron Warriors, 10 Eldar Storm Guardians (and their lil artillery thing ig), 5 Khorne Zerkers, etc.
Like they even acknowledge with other hordey infantry (nid gaunts) that you're probably running 60 of them if you're trying to use gaunts in a balanced list, but they seem to treat Guard as if people only play it with 90% tanks.
I get not knowing armies well, but cmon, you treated Nids right and they use battleline the same way!
Hell, 60 hormagaunts is still less reasonable than 60 cadians, bc unless you're doing a swarm oriented list, or just fucking love hormagaunts, you'll still probably have a mix of termagants and hormagaunts, whereas Guards basic infantry aren't mechanically all that different. Nobody has any reason to run Cadians and Krieg in the same list aside from thinking that they both look cool.
@@legodragon1999 Ironically you should never ever run Cadians, every other infantry has better abilities and weapons
@@legodragon1999not OP but I am a guard main. The number can honestly depend on what kind of list you’re running, but as another commenter said 20 of our guys is roughly the same strength of the standard squad of almost every other army.
Basically, in you’re running a regular old combined arms type list, you’re looking at around 100-120 bodies. For a tank focused list, about 60-80; for an artillery list, 80-100. And of course infantry focused lists will go even higher. It’s even possible to do a pure infantry list and get about 360 models on the board (and it’s strangely viable, too).
PS: Kreigers and Cadians actually have separate datasheets. The basic gist is that cadians take objectives better while kreigers are more tanky.
Hosts are dead set on guard being the "Only tanks" army and ignore the existence of troops on a frequent basis, according to Brad and Erick the only way to play guard is 80 Leeman Russes and like one squad of infantry to sit on the back objective, why? simple, they don't like horde armies (unless you are nids ig) and Horde guard players find it annoying (Hell, I aint even a guard player and I find it annoying)
What ive slowly learned from these past few videos is the Poorhammer patreon is basically paying to work for Brad and his crazy episode ideas 😂
What else did you expect from a Thousand Son chaos marine?
"If you have an aunt or an uncle who's buying 200 US dollars worth of stuff, hook me up with that aunt or uncle."
I totally wasn't thinking adopted aunt, I was thinking Brad wanted a new sugar mamma/daddy on the side for his GW fix.
60 guardsman is like, 40% of the way to “never need guardsman again”
So 150 guardsmen in total?
@@tomtheconqerura fine start
All infantry guard!
6 * 20 man Cadians - 120 (720 points), 6 * 20 man Infantry - 120 (720 points), 5 * 20 man Catachans - 100 (550 points)
totaling 340 infantry! Might need to remove half a squad for an HQ but 60 guardsman isn't even close to enough!
As a Raven Guard player I love that we got our own box! I just saw it walking by my local game store one day and was surprised when I saw that because GW kinda forgets about us! And it’s everything a Raven Guard player could want. Except Reivers. I can’t help them there.
It was previous year box but, yeah, I liked that there were boxes for less popular legions instead of DA, SW and BA
I've honestly been eyeing that box for a raptors side project, and just harvest the reivers for bits
The reivers could be given the bolt carbines and just run as incursors or smthn
What I got out of this video: there's a magical store that sells $85 Angrons..... now to find it 😂
I managed to pick up a Skarbrand recently for $90. Deals are out there, just gotta be patient and keep your eyes open 👍
Crazy thing is...almost. In UK after the 20% off they get there(because they get lowest base price as well as the best standard discount for 3rd party stores), Angron comes out to £80, which equates to $100 USD.
@@demon1103they don’t get of, you guys just get scammed
@@demon1103 can confirm got angron for like £84 plus a few quid off with my loyalty points. Recently got a questoris NIB for £55 too off FB marketplace they MSRP at £105 and on 3rd party stores go for about £80-90
@@demon1103 what standard discount for 3rd party stores. Everywhere I've been is MSRP
We need a dream faction box video, I'd love to see what you guys would pick for fairly balanced starter boxes, you guys could even pull a GW and try and fit in a kit that doesn't sell well for each faction
"The Voh-taaaahn~" is so very melodious.
Edit: Also, you understandably forgot the lift suited guys with the heavy weapons, one of the coolest but under represented units in the range.
The problem with the guard box is the “value” is in the free guardsmen, but I don’t know any guard player that needs more guardsmen. We all have tons already and tons unpainted because we get them in every box we buy. For a starting player I think they’re great (except you’ll quickly have too many command squads).
As a starting Guard player, that's pretty much my opinion. I do have too many Command Squads, using this and a couple of the Combat Patrols (and I arguably have too many Dorns, since I picked one up before the Christmas boxes got revealed), but at least they add meaningful durability to a squad through their medic's Feel No Pain, and help get Orders all over the board, even after casualties. But I am expecting to enjoy not having more Guardsmen to paint, and doing it purely for art reasons.
Still, I plan to pick up another couple of Shock Troops boxes, to kitbash some Catachan-equivalent squads together. My first planned list is going to have 80 dudes, and some Scions.
Despite collecting guard for a few years now, I actually don't mind the extra command squads flying around. They're not terrible to kitbash into other things. I've done psykers, Regimental advisors, commissars, and some book characters for my tanith.
The problem is infantry squads are silly expensive, and value boxes are often aimed towards players starting armies over veterans. Without the old 15 dollar box of 5 cadians you really need infantry in the value boxes to cut the cost of a guard army down.
@@DragonuFearikr i love how gw wants to sell you stuff and price it based off of how much of an army it takes up, unless thatd take the price below like 60 or 50 bucks. Outriders being 60 is ridiculous for literally 1 and a half sprues
I have 120 guardsmen and I still don't have enough. I welcome the sea of infantry. Might of been nice to had it as 2 squads of kriegsmen though
41:00 I love these episodes. They are a good way to figure out the current state of 40k prices.
My wife got the Votann box, and I got the Tyranid one. Need those Nids for Horde mode, and also the Emissary is just cool. My wife was kinda falling out of love with the hobby until we played Horde mode, and now she's looking to pick up the Combat Patrol too so she has the whole army like you said lol
I tried to get her to get the Ork one because I love Squigs, but she plays Ork vehicles and already has a Kill Rig, so it didn't really interest her. I could have picked it up for myself I guess, but I wanted the Nid box more and money is expensive
"It hurts when I get up." You didn't have to come for me like this Brad, you didn't have to go for the throat
The Tyranid Box is a bit of savings, but I think the real reason it sold out so fast is because Norns have been out of stock since release.
I personally do not need another flying hive tyrant to take up an entire case, so I can wait till the fabled day when I find a norn at my flgs.
It hurts to look at American prices for Warhammer. Like a Kill Rig here costs around £70 and Outriders cost around £30
It's because the exchange rate was decided in the 90s when the pound was strong.
Australians have just brutal prices, exchange rate's about 2 AUD to 1 GBP, but they pay a 3 to 1 rate. 224 for a Kill Rig and 98 for Outriders. Interesting to contrast them with Japan, which has a similar exchange rate (after the yen are cents math) but much lower prices, 18700 for a Rig and 8300 for Outriders. I get that their pricing models are from a bygone time, and they like to talk about how much it costs to ship things out there, but I can't imagine trying to partake in this hobby at GW prices over there.
@@shadowmetroid18that’s just gw terrible argument for more profit lets be real
Mate over here in Norway it's 90$
@@nebulonian1385gw shifting the costs to the consumer is pretty dogshit when they likely ship in large bulk quantities. Espescially making it a difference of 10-40 dollars or more
The only Christmas box I regret missing out on was the Knights box last year. I really want to make a Chaos Knight army and that would have been great but of course I was a dummy and saying “nope not going to start a new army” back then.
I’m pretty sure I’ll never see a thousand sons box set that’s worth it because I already have the major centerpiece.
Honestly i felt similar about the nids box this year. I kinda wish it didnt have the hive tyrant because theres so many hive tyrants floating around on ebay and stuff. Its been in like, every value box for nids for years
Video Idea. Create you ideal Combat Patrol or Christmas Box for every Army. That would be interesting
I would watch that. It sounds fun.
Honestly a great idea. As a Space Marine player, I actually enjoyed the thematic boxes that were based around a single chapter.
I feel that “perfect starter box was 6 months ago”. I’m trying to get into the hobby with Salamanders and the battleforce is 1.5xmsrp
Agreed. Cause the Salamanders Strikeforce box gave you. Adrax, 3 Aggressors, 3 Eradicators, and I believe 20 Intercessors along with Salamander Primaris frames. Which is an amazing starting point for someone wanting to play Salamanders. Or even just getting some decent units for marines.
We should buy these for our friends as great christmas presents right?
If they were still made of pewter you could put them in their shoes like a cat with lego.
Give them money so they can buy their own stuff.
lol
The Sylvaneth box from last year was killer. If you built it for max points, it was like 1300 and all useful units. For another $200 or so, you could make a legitimately solid starting army.
And no one seems to have wanted it, much to my benefit. I was able to pick it up for $130!
The Ossiarch Box this year is absolutely bonkers value. Morghasts are a pain in the ass to find in the US, you get a LK, and you get more of your anchor units (Mortek+Nanny and Kavalos). It’s very solid and the Harvester is pretty fun to paint.
The nighthaunt box was as well. Really good value units wise and a solid spread of battleline depending on army build
In defense of your statement on the guard box: as a guard player myself 40 infantry from this box and the combat patrol alone is not enough. Most guard players run a minimum 60 and an average of 80-90. If you’re going heavy into infantry that number goes well over 100. If there is anything certain with guard, you can never not use another 10 or 20 infantry here or there.
Here's hoping next year we'll have a Emperor's Children xmas box with Fulgrim and a bunch of noise marines
I may well be wrong, but I think the Daemon Fulgrim release for the Horus Heresy all but confirms that we won't be getting a 40k update to Fulgrim or Emperor's Children for a long, long time.
@@scerpalman40k emporer children is alr confirmed in the works its almost guaranteed to drop in a year or two
@scerpalman my wallet hopes so, my brain weeps if true
Well, there's now an Emperor's Children Index. It's trash, but it most likely means that either the end of this year or sometimes next year, we'll get a proper release for them.
You guys should compare start collecting/combat patrols over the years. And the old school battleforce boxes. But yeah that SM box is so transparently dangling 15 of the new shiny assault guys in front of you so they can get rid of the atvs and bikes.
I hope you guys come back to do the 24 battle forces.
We got a pretty good dark angels box, a pile of tau battle suits, a slightly worse version of the last knights one, sisters rhinos and friends, and void dragon plus warriors.
Only the World Eaters and Tyranid boxes are sold out in Australia
That ending remarks of the "go back in time 6 moths to get your aemy box" is some thing some one actually told me when i was contemplating votann but instead of 6 months it was like a year
I ordered two of the Orks boxes because every single bit can take two variants of it if it's not an infantry kit and it gets you so many options. I'm stacking it on with my CP and the Boarding Patrol.
as always these guys are my north star in the wonderful word of poorhammer and in saving our hard earned imperial credits
Remember the cadian and catachan defense force boxes? It was 2 infantry squads, a command squad, a chimera, a leman russ, and a heavy weapon squad.
Pepperidge farms remembers
for the guard box. as a guard player you NEED like 50-60 guard at least if you're going armoured to be competitive. if you're going arty you need way more and if you're going pure infantry you need WAY WAY more. Command Squads are useful not for having like 2 command squads but because you can get a command squad and kit bash 5 different HQs for cheap.
As a Guard player, I have wanted at least 1 Rogal Dorn tank since they released, but could never get my hands on one. As soon as I saw this had 2 Dorns, I grabbed at it because I already have a nearly full Guard army
I was so angry at how fast the boxes sold out. These should be for newbies getting into the hobby and someone casually wanting to pick this up would just never get a chance. I tell people to play AoS cause it’s more newbie friendly and the models are more available/cheaper
I am looking forward to my squig box. I really want a 2K army of squig orks. Not big into the rest of the ork line. Definitely tempted to buy 2 if my local game store has a second copy.
I'm under the impression that they roll a bunch of dice and select units off a paper depending on what the dice say after throwing in whatever they can't sell and/or are pushing.
The price hike is more drastic in canada where I think they went from like 220 to 280. Combined with our taxes (which can be up to 13%) this is quite a huge jump for the average collector.
The Thousand Sons box from last year was my first foray into the tabletop portion of Warhammer. Think it's kinda cool that I started and finished my first year of the hobby with Daemon Primarchs.
Aah poorhammer talks shit about valueboxes once again, now thats the content I came for!
Not gonna lie.... I was expecting a "And they are already out of stock" after the transition to the show at 0:26.
Great episode. I hope the patrons ask for an AoS episode.
Well.... half are out of stock if that counts 😅
I bought Bastion Strike Force recently because I am building imperial fists based army. It fills all my Gravis-clad desires and I get aggressors which are strong now. Gordon I didn't own so was a good pickup for me.
The fact that an ATV costs 50 dollars and Outriders cost 60 is absolutely disgusting. They should not, under any circumstances, cost anywhere near that much money. ATV should be 35 dollars most like the old Attack Bike was.
Leagues box: Cool. Awesome. Nice mix of units. Got me to start a Leagues army. The box I got.
Guard box: Cool. Awesome. Personally would've swapped one of the Dorns out for either a Leman Russ or a pair of Sentinels, but it's a neat tank so it's fine.
Tyranids box: Cool. Awesome. Nice spread of units, but I've pretty much got all that stuff anyway. Doesn't matter so it's fine.
Orks box: Not a huge fan of Snaggas. Not that I don't like 'em, just not interested in 'em. Fine I guess. Don't really care.
Space Marines box: Boring. Shit. Terrible. Garbage. Who the fuck came up with this box.
World Eaters box: WHAT IS IT WITH EVERYONE AND EIGHTBOUND?! THIS THING SOLD OUT *IMMEDIATELY.*
Just for the future, if your are stuck getting pushfit, clip a small bit of the pins they will fit better. With the outriders i broke the pins off completely, as a couple were broke in the indomitus box and made it easier to make the gap minimal. Hope this help someoen.
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Hey, that's me! It is also, quite literally, the only reason I now actually started guard, so I guess it worked
Christmas boxes are so weird man. They're clearly designed and marketed as gifts, but for the majority of people it's a hard sell to ask them to spend $250-$300 depending on what currency you use on, to someone who is unfamiliar with the hobby, literally just plastic toys.
As a new player who is itching to break into World Eaters, this box looks absolutely delectable. Plus, Poorhammer signing off on it is just the confirmation I need to know I'm not getting screwed. BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD!
Unfortunately its already out of stock
@@gumbspleengle5270
Not at my local game store, though! So I'm all set.
If I hadn't already bought Angron, I would've jumped on it right away.
Hey, Funny story from a german here the World eaters were sold out almost instantly and the Crap marines are still available 4 days later. 🤣
however i myself am happy that i got myself a set of the Tyranids (sold out after the first hour) so im gonna see if i can get my hands on a leviathan box next month so im really good off in the mix and match department (I literaly just started collecting the tyranids like half a month ago).
The rest sold out also quite quickly but to me it so fucking hilarious that their "poster children" are so unwanted😆
considering the value of the box it's no surprise but still im smiling thinking about it
I was somewhat relieved that SIsters didn't get a box this year, though it's hard to get Sisters at a discount, I still have the last 2 Sisters Christmas boxes on my shelf (because Sisters at a discount is an auto-buy).
I found the Kill dakka war band discounted at my lgs one day. Long story short, I'm now at 5000 plus points of orks
exact same story for me
Starting Votann, managed to get one copy of the Christmas box (would have tried for two but was also getting the Orks) from my FLGS but managed to find a Sagitaur at a discount as well which I've grabbed. Then I'm going to use the loyalty points the store offer for another Hekaton in the future. More roundabout way than getting two of the Christmas box but pretty good way of getting that sweet double up of the expensive/hard-to-find vehicles.
I think the votann and ork boxes are incredible and glad I got them
Their value is generally terrible for the amount of money you have to put in. When I first bought holiday boxes they were 80ish dollars, now they are 200+
Who the fuck can afford them anymore? I don't care about how much you save because I can't realistically afford the box in the first place.
As a World Eaters player: that is 2 Eightbound kits. Many people have difficulty finding *any* Eightbound, let alone two whole kits. Solid from that alone
I am way late here but I am only now catching up with the podcast at the moment.
One thing you missed when talking about the Imperial Fists and Raven Guard boxes is that they also included the upgrade sprues specific to those factions. They have limited value to players that aren't specificially in those factions, but they are still part of the monetary value.
I would actually say that those Battle Force boxes for specific marine chapters are actually a good concept, as they give a bit more direction and allow for better deals for specific play styles, but I would say they could have used a bit more variety in them. As someone who started a Slamanders army this past year I was very happy with picking up their box, even though I still have 10 Intercessors on sprues that I will probably sell instead of build. Then again, they probably had the best box among them, and I got a discount at my LGS.
I hate how great the ork box savings is because I just bought two
I mean, if I played orks I’d be all over it. I just cannot let myself buy a horde army and then jump all in.
I also think part of my problem is my brain only has so much capacity for 40K and I’m struggling to retain all the knowledge.
As a reminder, Ebay is a GREAT way to get a lot of miniatures. Maybe not precisely what you want each time, but I have 3000 points worth of misc black templars including 5 Dreadnoughts, 4 Rhinos, a drop pod and well over 50 marines, Helbrecht and more for 350 US.
this new thing is this time is : when you buy some of them twice (when you can) you can actually make a very nice army . The best in mind for me are Tyranids, Orks and Votaans . (got lucky enough to buy 2 ork ones and 1 tyranid... i can't think of a best deal to keep me occupied for years).
You forgot to mention the large double upgrade kits included with the Raven Fuard and Imperial Fist boxes, on top of the characters. So you lose potentially $80-90 value on those.
I'll probably be grabbing a second of the new SM boxes to go with my first. Same for the Tyranids one that I already ordered.
I collect Space Wolves, Dark Angels and Black Templars (all with Deathwatch shoulders) so the new SM box is super valuable to me as I own zero jump troops and can always use more bikes, lol.
The Tyranids boxes will bring my Norn and Tyrant collection up to 5 each. These days you want two Flyrants for your Vanguard Detachment.
So some good value to keep me busy next year.
I literally switched from podcast to youtube just to see the hat animation and lens flare. Thanks for the content!
Nothing is more funny than spiteful love like getting someone a centerpiece miniature near $200 just to piss them off
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God I wish I could still get em that cheap. I am lucky to find outriders at under $50 now
I would also say that comparing the DG/TS box to WE is very reasonable
Something i thought about during this video, what should Warhammer minis be priced at? I mean, we all know Warhammer is over priced, but by how much? Like, how much should a box of infantry be? How about a character, or vehicle/monster?
One thing I’d like in the Cadian Defense Force is a heavy weapon team. It could be another unit or be mixed with the infantry to run them as infantry squads and platoon command squad
Besides 2 squads of cultists and a myphtic blight crawler i never brought a singular box for any of my warer armies. Only big boxes most of the time with a discount. So far not bad.
A quick note on the world eaters box: eightbound are nearly war dog levels of impossible to find. They've been pretty much out of stock since the army launched, and whenever they're restocked, yhey sell out in minutes. The box including 6 of them is a huge selling point, and probably why it sold out in 5 minutes
To be fair, the Christmas boxes at least had loads of the new models in them, so they were decent even for veteran players. Most of the time they just throw in old stuff to make up the numbers, like the old guard kits, chimera, old boys kits, etc in the 2020 ones
Speaking as a Votann player who had to experience having only the combat patrol box and not being able to buy everything after because it sold out right away, I loved the Ancestors box as it had everything I needed and could want. Not to mention at the time it was readily available than the individual plastic kits, oddly enough now that I think about it.
Best holiday box was the Squigalanche box. The Ork box is close second
Another way to look at these boxes for me is also, Is this a good painting box ? Does it had good painting diversity for a faction.
It's good to know thatafter spending time buying, building and painting my hormaguants, genestealers, hive tyrant that I'm going to have a fairly unique army.
I bit the bullet and went for the tyranid on. It has literally all of what I need to complete my post Leviathan release set that I got. I'm actually ecstatic for. I paid way too much, but I cannot wait to have those freaking new hormagants and Genestealers...and that sexy new nornqueen
Loved EVERY Ep So far. got me hooked
My family does a gift exchange and my aunt got me (who plays space marines) and I PRAY she doesn’t get me the space marine box
But where can you get them ? (Now) The Space Marine box is really bad if you take into account that the ATV is in Warhammer Imperium Magazine, so the savings compared to where you can get them alternatively is really bad.
Aww yeah been waiting for this.
You two have become my fave 40K TH-cam channel.
You forgot the Ultramarine Christmas box set from last year, Scions of Macragge. The best value for the last 3 years.
my printer finished the last berserker from the box i couldnt buy, today. looks good. cost.....40 bucks for resin
new to the world of 40k just ordered the orks box to start off btw thx poorhammer for y'alls help
So I managed to get hold of 3 Christmas boxes - two Votann and a World Eaters one @ 25% off RRP so £315 for all 3.
The objective with the WE box was get a cheap Angron - Already sold the 6x Eightbound for £60, selling the Berzerkers for £30. So that's a £25 Angron model.
Second Votann box got rid of half the hearthguard and extra characters which equals a Sagitaur, Hekaton and 5 Hearthguard for like £45-50 I think.
In puncto shrinkflation: The favorite potato chips of my daughter was like 200g in 2005 and is now, for the same price, ....
75 gramms. It's outrageous.
This years Marine box was also the worst value in terms of overall savings compared to standard RRP -20% (at least in UK prices). Votann was £78 off, Orks £64, Guard £54, Tyranids £48 and Marines only £46. Many places weren't even selling at 20% discount so you're potentially only really saving like £20. It felt like they were trying to take advantage of the "Space Marines always sell factor" in a time when that is now no longer as true.
the world eaters box is also intresting becuase its SO HARD to get ANY eightbound, so i was devastated i couldnt get my hands on one
14:58 that's actually a very good box. Warriors and Lychgard are still pretty good in 10th edition and Lychgard is just sold out everywhere I look.
I think it shold be pointed out that the Cadian Defense Force is a better value than the old Bastion Platoon.
Back in the day, those cadian guard were only 35$ (maybe 45$ with the cadian upgrade sprue? but im pretty sure that sprue dropped in late 2021) And the old Sentinel was *dirt* cheap. While the comparison to now $$ might be good, I don't think its a true comparison to prices back then vs now, as the *new* cadian guard
I should waited on my response a bit, but I also just don't like the old box tbh. The tanks it includes are well... bad tanks
I got the Salamanders strike force off Amazon when I got into 40K, The Aggressors, Eradicators and Adrax were good and the upgrade kits were useful but the rest of the box was just 20 Intercessors. I still have 15 unpainted Intercessors
I see my 500 dollar yeet into orcs has been approved by Poorhammer.
Thank you for enabling my addiction.
FOR THE SQUIGZ!!!!!
These boxes 100% exist to get you into that army you've had your eye on for a while or to round off an army you've just started.
By Grabthar's Hammer... What a Savings
if you went a few more years, there were some really good ones.
I got a primaris captain, 10 intercessors, 10 reivers, 3 interceptors and a repulsor
In AU, the space marine box was 285 (third party) and 3 Jump Intercessors and a Captain is 280. I'll pay $5AUD for 3 out riders and an ATV. But if I didn't specifically want 20 Jump intercessors, and waited for the Christmas box incase they showed up, then I'd be pissed at this box.
The Space Marine box might not be good. But god dammit, I'm a White Scars Player, so I'm taking it!
I bought the Lizardmen christmas box, it contained pretty much everything I wanted to complement the Army Set I got earlier this year.
10:46 I feel a little called out there guys 🤣
I was lucky enough to get two Votann boxes and bought two combat patrols only needed to get two other things and I am now officially done buying my army :) loved this box
Love you boys
Love the episode, great subject for a new collector.
I’m at least happy that hormagaunts are finally in a value box, hormagaunts are meant to be the vast ones that burry fortresses, of course they should be in value boxes!
In regards to the Krieg issue, I feel like the reason they don't do it is because there is only 1 plastic Krieg kit. As much as I want a full plastic refresh of Krieg, they aren't going to add them to combo boxes because they don't match the aesthetics of virtually every other Guard kit (FOB, Scout Sentinel, Rogal Dorn, Command Squad, etc). Ideally, I would like an upgrade sprue so I can convert at least my tank commanders and stuff without buying from forgeworld.
Ooh ooh ooh 33:05 he said he was wrong!!! Clip it!!!!
I liked the bastion box purely because i love how tts made rogal dorn
Idk what happened to the sound mixing at 19:58 , but I’ve gone back to listen to that “DOGSHIT” at least 10 times.