I don't think our hosts understand Guard. 60 infantry isn't the max you'd want in an army, it's the minimum for a balanced force. And command squads are great for building stand ins for our absurdly overpriced characters, so having a few extra is great. 2 combat patrols and this holiday box is a very good start to an IG army.
What do you typically run for IG lists? I hear a lot of comments from Poorhammer being frustrated by the focus on Cadian infantry, as opposed to Krieg.
Yeah, 60 sounds like a lot until you remember that it's 120 points for 20 Cadians. 20 Cadians are the equivalent to 10 Necron Warriors, 10 Eldar Storm Guardians (and their lil artillery thing ig), 5 Khorne Zerkers, etc. Like they even acknowledge with other hordey infantry (nid gaunts) that you're probably running 60 of them if you're trying to use gaunts in a balanced list, but they seem to treat Guard as if people only play it with 90% tanks. I get not knowing armies well, but cmon, you treated Nids right and they use battleline the same way! Hell, 60 hormagaunts is still less reasonable than 60 cadians, bc unless you're doing a swarm oriented list, or just fucking love hormagaunts, you'll still probably have a mix of termagants and hormagaunts, whereas Guards basic infantry aren't mechanically all that different. Nobody has any reason to run Cadians and Krieg in the same list aside from thinking that they both look cool.
@@legodragon1999not OP but I am a guard main. The number can honestly depend on what kind of list you’re running, but as another commenter said 20 of our guys is roughly the same strength of the standard squad of almost every other army. Basically, in you’re running a regular old combined arms type list, you’re looking at around 100-120 bodies. For a tank focused list, about 60-80; for an artillery list, 80-100. And of course infantry focused lists will go even higher. It’s even possible to do a pure infantry list and get about 360 models on the board (and it’s strangely viable, too). PS: Kreigers and Cadians actually have separate datasheets. The basic gist is that cadians take objectives better while kreigers are more tanky.
Hosts are dead set on guard being the "Only tanks" army and ignore the existence of troops on a frequent basis, according to Brad and Erick the only way to play guard is 80 Leeman Russes and like one squad of infantry to sit on the back objective, why? simple, they don't like horde armies (unless you are nids ig) and Horde guard players find it annoying (Hell, I aint even a guard player and I find it annoying)
Christmas boxes should be a LOT of weird stuff, different types of units AND one centerpiece type model/unit. I dont wanna have 15 minis for christmas, I want a lot of stuff to do for like 2 months
honestly, any discout box thats a spam of 1 unit is bad imo i would VASTLY prefer 4 different units, over 3 of the same with 1 extra, no matter what they are
@@gregsmwnow while I do agree I have to say the guard box should get a pass sense 20 guys and 2 Rogal dorns for less than 300 buck in freedom is good and if you get the combat patrol(or cadia stands sense now on places like Amazon it’s cheaper) you now got around 885 points for only 340 freedom papers of units you want to run with only one dupe and the field ordnance batterie which you probably don’t want to
Trust me you definitely don't want that, we've had those types of boxes before and they are a god aweful entry point to the hobby. In the past it would be stuffed with unplayable garbage that no one would ever buy
All infantry guard! 6 * 20 man Cadians - 120 (720 points), 6 * 20 man Infantry - 120 (720 points), 5 * 20 man Catachans - 100 (550 points) totaling 340 infantry! Might need to remove half a squad for an HQ but 60 guardsman isn't even close to enough!
"If you have an aunt or an uncle who's buying 200 US dollars worth of stuff, hook me up with that aunt or uncle." I totally wasn't thinking adopted aunt, I was thinking Brad wanted a new sugar mamma/daddy on the side for his GW fix.
Crazy thing is...almost. In UK after the 20% off they get there(because they get lowest base price as well as the best standard discount for 3rd party stores), Angron comes out to £80, which equates to $100 USD.
@@demon1103 can confirm got angron for like £84 plus a few quid off with my loyalty points. Recently got a questoris NIB for £55 too off FB marketplace they MSRP at £105 and on 3rd party stores go for about £80-90
"The Voh-taaaahn~" is so very melodious. Edit: Also, you understandably forgot the lift suited guys with the heavy weapons, one of the coolest but under represented units in the range.
As a Raven Guard player I love that we got our own box! I just saw it walking by my local game store one day and was surprised when I saw that because GW kinda forgets about us! And it’s everything a Raven Guard player could want. Except Reivers. I can’t help them there.
We need a dream faction box video, I'd love to see what you guys would pick for fairly balanced starter boxes, you guys could even pull a GW and try and fit in a kit that doesn't sell well for each faction
I may well be wrong, but I think the Daemon Fulgrim release for the Horus Heresy all but confirms that we won't be getting a 40k update to Fulgrim or Emperor's Children for a long, long time.
Well, there's now an Emperor's Children Index. It's trash, but it most likely means that either the end of this year or sometimes next year, we'll get a proper release for them.
Agreed. Cause the Salamanders Strikeforce box gave you. Adrax, 3 Aggressors, 3 Eradicators, and I believe 20 Intercessors along with Salamander Primaris frames. Which is an amazing starting point for someone wanting to play Salamanders. Or even just getting some decent units for marines.
The Tyranid Box is a bit of savings, but I think the real reason it sold out so fast is because Norns have been out of stock since release. I personally do not need another flying hive tyrant to take up an entire case, so I can wait till the fabled day when I find a norn at my flgs.
The only Christmas box I regret missing out on was the Knights box last year. I really want to make a Chaos Knight army and that would have been great but of course I was a dummy and saying “nope not going to start a new army” back then. I’m pretty sure I’ll never see a thousand sons box set that’s worth it because I already have the major centerpiece.
Honestly i felt similar about the nids box this year. I kinda wish it didnt have the hive tyrant because theres so many hive tyrants floating around on ebay and stuff. Its been in like, every value box for nids for years
The problem with the guard box is the “value” is in the free guardsmen, but I don’t know any guard player that needs more guardsmen. We all have tons already and tons unpainted because we get them in every box we buy. For a starting player I think they’re great (except you’ll quickly have too many command squads).
As a starting Guard player, that's pretty much my opinion. I do have too many Command Squads, using this and a couple of the Combat Patrols (and I arguably have too many Dorns, since I picked one up before the Christmas boxes got revealed), but at least they add meaningful durability to a squad through their medic's Feel No Pain, and help get Orders all over the board, even after casualties. But I am expecting to enjoy not having more Guardsmen to paint, and doing it purely for art reasons. Still, I plan to pick up another couple of Shock Troops boxes, to kitbash some Catachan-equivalent squads together. My first planned list is going to have 80 dudes, and some Scions.
Despite collecting guard for a few years now, I actually don't mind the extra command squads flying around. They're not terrible to kitbash into other things. I've done psykers, Regimental advisors, commissars, and some book characters for my tanith.
The problem is infantry squads are silly expensive, and value boxes are often aimed towards players starting armies over veterans. Without the old 15 dollar box of 5 cadians you really need infantry in the value boxes to cut the cost of a guard army down.
@@DragonuFearikr i love how gw wants to sell you stuff and price it based off of how much of an army it takes up, unless thatd take the price below like 60 or 50 bucks. Outriders being 60 is ridiculous for literally 1 and a half sprues
My wife got the Votann box, and I got the Tyranid one. Need those Nids for Horde mode, and also the Emissary is just cool. My wife was kinda falling out of love with the hobby until we played Horde mode, and now she's looking to pick up the Combat Patrol too so she has the whole army like you said lol I tried to get her to get the Ork one because I love Squigs, but she plays Ork vehicles and already has a Kill Rig, so it didn't really interest her. I could have picked it up for myself I guess, but I wanted the Nid box more and money is expensive "It hurts when I get up." You didn't have to come for me like this Brad, you didn't have to go for the throat
The Sylvaneth box from last year was killer. If you built it for max points, it was like 1300 and all useful units. For another $200 or so, you could make a legitimately solid starting army.
The Ossiarch Box this year is absolutely bonkers value. Morghasts are a pain in the ass to find in the US, you get a LK, and you get more of your anchor units (Mortek+Nanny and Kavalos). It’s very solid and the Harvester is pretty fun to paint.
Australians have just brutal prices, exchange rate's about 2 AUD to 1 GBP, but they pay a 3 to 1 rate. 224 for a Kill Rig and 98 for Outriders. Interesting to contrast them with Japan, which has a similar exchange rate (after the yen are cents math) but much lower prices, 18700 for a Rig and 8300 for Outriders. I get that their pricing models are from a bygone time, and they like to talk about how much it costs to ship things out there, but I can't imagine trying to partake in this hobby at GW prices over there.
@@nebulonian1385gw shifting the costs to the consumer is pretty dogshit when they likely ship in large bulk quantities. Espescially making it a difference of 10-40 dollars or more
In defense of your statement on the guard box: as a guard player myself 40 infantry from this box and the combat patrol alone is not enough. Most guard players run a minimum 60 and an average of 80-90. If you’re going heavy into infantry that number goes well over 100. If there is anything certain with guard, you can never not use another 10 or 20 infantry here or there.
You guys should compare start collecting/combat patrols over the years. And the old school battleforce boxes. But yeah that SM box is so transparently dangling 15 of the new shiny assault guys in front of you so they can get rid of the atvs and bikes.
That ending remarks of the "go back in time 6 moths to get your aemy box" is some thing some one actually told me when i was contemplating votann but instead of 6 months it was like a year
I ordered two of the Orks boxes because every single bit can take two variants of it if it's not an infantry kit and it gets you so many options. I'm stacking it on with my CP and the Boarding Patrol.
Hey, 2022's Admech box was great! Buy two of them and you're set for like half an army! Also the Knight Box was incredible, we shall never see it's like again...
Christmas boxes are so weird man. They're clearly designed and marketed as gifts, but for the majority of people it's a hard sell to ask them to spend $250-$300 depending on what currency you use on, to someone who is unfamiliar with the hobby, literally just plastic toys.
As a Guard player, I have wanted at least 1 Rogal Dorn tank since they released, but could never get my hands on one. As soon as I saw this had 2 Dorns, I grabbed at it because I already have a nearly full Guard army
I’m surprised that they didn’t like the new website design. I’m comparison to the old design it’s just way easier to find everything and it’s just simpler. I like it
As a new player who is itching to break into World Eaters, this box looks absolutely delectable. Plus, Poorhammer signing off on it is just the confirmation I need to know I'm not getting screwed. BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD!
Not gonna lie.... I was expecting a "And they are already out of stock" after the transition to the show at 0:26. Great episode. I hope the patrons ask for an AoS episode.
Besides 2 squads of cultists and a myphtic blight crawler i never brought a singular box for any of my warer armies. Only big boxes most of the time with a discount. So far not bad.
I am looking forward to my squig box. I really want a 2K army of squig orks. Not big into the rest of the ork line. Definitely tempted to buy 2 if my local game store has a second copy.
The Thousand Sons box from last year was my first foray into the tabletop portion of Warhammer. Think it's kinda cool that I started and finished my first year of the hobby with Daemon Primarchs.
As a reminder, Ebay is a GREAT way to get a lot of miniatures. Maybe not precisely what you want each time, but I have 3000 points worth of misc black templars including 5 Dreadnoughts, 4 Rhinos, a drop pod and well over 50 marines, Helbrecht and more for 350 US.
It's good to know thatafter spending time buying, building and painting my hormaguants, genestealers, hive tyrant that I'm going to have a fairly unique army.
The price hike is more drastic in canada where I think they went from like 220 to 280. Combined with our taxes (which can be up to 13%) this is quite a huge jump for the average collector.
I am way late here but I am only now catching up with the podcast at the moment. One thing you missed when talking about the Imperial Fists and Raven Guard boxes is that they also included the upgrade sprues specific to those factions. They have limited value to players that aren't specificially in those factions, but they are still part of the monetary value. I would actually say that those Battle Force boxes for specific marine chapters are actually a good concept, as they give a bit more direction and allow for better deals for specific play styles, but I would say they could have used a bit more variety in them. As someone who started a Slamanders army this past year I was very happy with picking up their box, even though I still have 10 Intercessors on sprues that I will probably sell instead of build. Then again, they probably had the best box among them, and I got a discount at my LGS.
for the guard box. as a guard player you NEED like 50-60 guard at least if you're going armoured to be competitive. if you're going arty you need way more and if you're going pure infantry you need WAY WAY more. Command Squads are useful not for having like 2 command squads but because you can get a command squad and kit bash 5 different HQs for cheap.
I was so angry at how fast the boxes sold out. These should be for newbies getting into the hobby and someone casually wanting to pick this up would just never get a chance. I tell people to play AoS cause it’s more newbie friendly and the models are more available/cheaper
Hey, Funny story from a german here the World eaters were sold out almost instantly and the Crap marines are still available 4 days later. 🤣 however i myself am happy that i got myself a set of the Tyranids (sold out after the first hour) so im gonna see if i can get my hands on a leviathan box next month so im really good off in the mix and match department (I literaly just started collecting the tyranids like half a month ago). The rest sold out also quite quickly but to me it so fucking hilarious that their "poster children" are so unwanted😆 considering the value of the box it's no surprise but still im smiling thinking about it
To be fair, the Christmas boxes at least had loads of the new models in them, so they were decent even for veteran players. Most of the time they just throw in old stuff to make up the numbers, like the old guard kits, chimera, old boys kits, etc in the 2020 ones
09:15 y'know a warhammer 40k themed happy meal toy actually isn't the worst idea in the world (from GW's perspective), hooking all those kids on plastic crack at the same time...
As a World Eaters player: that is 2 Eightbound kits. Many people have difficulty finding *any* Eightbound, let alone two whole kits. Solid from that alone
The fact that an ATV costs 50 dollars and Outriders cost 60 is absolutely disgusting. They should not, under any circumstances, cost anywhere near that much money. ATV should be 35 dollars most like the old Attack Bike was.
Just for the future, if your are stuck getting pushfit, clip a small bit of the pins they will fit better. With the outriders i broke the pins off completely, as a couple were broke in the indomitus box and made it easier to make the gap minimal. Hope this help someoen.
I mean, if I played orks I’d be all over it. I just cannot let myself buy a horde army and then jump all in. I also think part of my problem is my brain only has so much capacity for 40K and I’m struggling to retain all the knowledge.
I'm under the impression that they roll a bunch of dice and select units off a paper depending on what the dice say after throwing in whatever they can't sell and/or are pushing.
I bought Bastion Strike Force recently because I am building imperial fists based army. It fills all my Gravis-clad desires and I get aggressors which are strong now. Gordon I didn't own so was a good pickup for me.
Something i thought about during this video, what should Warhammer minis be priced at? I mean, we all know Warhammer is over priced, but by how much? Like, how much should a box of infantry be? How about a character, or vehicle/monster?
Starting Votann, managed to get one copy of the Christmas box (would have tried for two but was also getting the Orks) from my FLGS but managed to find a Sagitaur at a discount as well which I've grabbed. Then I'm going to use the loyalty points the store offer for another Hekaton in the future. More roundabout way than getting two of the Christmas box but pretty good way of getting that sweet double up of the expensive/hard-to-find vehicles.
3:15 God I wish I could still get em that cheap. I am lucky to find outriders at under $50 now I would also say that comparing the DG/TS box to WE is very reasonable
this new thing is this time is : when you buy some of them twice (when you can) you can actually make a very nice army . The best in mind for me are Tyranids, Orks and Votaans . (got lucky enough to buy 2 ork ones and 1 tyranid... i can't think of a best deal to keep me occupied for years).
I think it shold be pointed out that the Cadian Defense Force is a better value than the old Bastion Platoon. Back in the day, those cadian guard were only 35$ (maybe 45$ with the cadian upgrade sprue? but im pretty sure that sprue dropped in late 2021) And the old Sentinel was *dirt* cheap. While the comparison to now $$ might be good, I don't think its a true comparison to prices back then vs now, as the *new* cadian guard
This years Marine box was also the worst value in terms of overall savings compared to standard RRP -20% (at least in UK prices). Votann was £78 off, Orks £64, Guard £54, Tyranids £48 and Marines only £46. Many places weren't even selling at 20% discount so you're potentially only really saving like £20. It felt like they were trying to take advantage of the "Space Marines always sell factor" in a time when that is now no longer as true.
I was somewhat relieved that SIsters didn't get a box this year, though it's hard to get Sisters at a discount, I still have the last 2 Sisters Christmas boxes on my shelf (because Sisters at a discount is an auto-buy).
In regards to the Krieg issue, I feel like the reason they don't do it is because there is only 1 plastic Krieg kit. As much as I want a full plastic refresh of Krieg, they aren't going to add them to combo boxes because they don't match the aesthetics of virtually every other Guard kit (FOB, Scout Sentinel, Rogal Dorn, Command Squad, etc). Ideally, I would like an upgrade sprue so I can convert at least my tank commanders and stuff without buying from forgeworld.
In AU, the space marine box was 285 (third party) and 3 Jump Intercessors and a Captain is 280. I'll pay $5AUD for 3 out riders and an ATV. But if I didn't specifically want 20 Jump intercessors, and waited for the Christmas box incase they showed up, then I'd be pissed at this box.
For me it was the soulblight gravelord one vs the 2 years ago one its the exact same but instead of more chaf units you get dogs and beasts that's it its the same box
I bit the bullet and went for the tyranid on. It has literally all of what I need to complete my post Leviathan release set that I got. I'm actually ecstatic for. I paid way too much, but I cannot wait to have those freaking new hormagants and Genestealers...and that sexy new nornqueen
Leagues box: Cool. Awesome. Nice mix of units. Got me to start a Leagues army. The box I got. Guard box: Cool. Awesome. Personally would've swapped one of the Dorns out for either a Leman Russ or a pair of Sentinels, but it's a neat tank so it's fine. Tyranids box: Cool. Awesome. Nice spread of units, but I've pretty much got all that stuff anyway. Doesn't matter so it's fine. Orks box: Not a huge fan of Snaggas. Not that I don't like 'em, just not interested in 'em. Fine I guess. Don't really care. Space Marines box: Boring. Shit. Terrible. Garbage. Who the fuck came up with this box. World Eaters box: WHAT IS IT WITH EVERYONE AND EIGHTBOUND?! THIS THING SOLD OUT *IMMEDIATELY.*
I got super confused when I watched an Auspex Tactics video about how the combat patrols were getting worse, and forgot this video was about holiday boxes. If this video was about combat patrols, I dont think the conclusion would be that there isnt any shrinkflation.
The only reasons I'm buying the Space Marines box is that I was away from the game for a loooong time, so I don't happen to have the McDonald's toys yet, and almost all of my old minis have been phased out.
The only time where I like almost all the boxes was when they released the Apocalypse wave. SM & CSM came with too many marines, Eldar had too many wraith guards, but other than that everything else were near perfect.
as a new gaurd person. this christmas books good to me to finnish my staring army.of course i want to do more but WH is expensive. i want to get to the table top asap
I’m at least happy that hormagaunts are finally in a value box, hormagaunts are meant to be the vast ones that burry fortresses, of course they should be in value boxes!
One thing I’d like in the Cadian Defense Force is a heavy weapon team. It could be another unit or be mixed with the infantry to run them as infantry squads and platoon command squad
Correction, with the Christmas box and combat patrol, you are missing 2 units. The Ironmaster AND the Exosuit big gun buddies, the forgettable last edition and absolutely staple in Index unit lmao.
As a guard player, I feel like I have to say I fundamentally disagree with the "too many troops" complaint for our boxes. This the Imperial Guard; we can out-horde the Tyranids on the table-top, and considering infantry guard is pretty good right now, you can NEVER have too many guardsmen. I do agree that double-Dorns in a box may be a bit much, I would like to see other vehicles make an appearance, and also the re-vamped Heavy Weapons Teams. Like come on, where the hell are they? Also as far as the being Cadian goes, the thing about Guard is that they are practically meant to be the customizable faction; Cadian equipment is just kinda seen as the universal standard for the Astra Militarum, so with minimal effort you can proxy Cadian troops as practically any force in the galaxy. That's always been a major hobby advantage for us.
But where can you get them ? (Now) The Space Marine box is really bad if you take into account that the ATV is in Warhammer Imperium Magazine, so the savings compared to where you can get them alternatively is really bad.
You forgot to mention the large double upgrade kits included with the Raven Fuard and Imperial Fist boxes, on top of the characters. So you lose potentially $80-90 value on those. I'll probably be grabbing a second of the new SM boxes to go with my first. Same for the Tyranids one that I already ordered. I collect Space Wolves, Dark Angels and Black Templars (all with Deathwatch shoulders) so the new SM box is super valuable to me as I own zero jump troops and can always use more bikes, lol. The Tyranids boxes will bring my Norn and Tyrant collection up to 5 each. These days you want two Flyrants for your Vanguard Detachment. So some good value to keep me busy next year.
I had initially preordered the Marines box set, mainly out of FOMO, and because I didn't have any of the units in it, aside from a single squad of Outriders. On reflection, I've cancelled my preorder. The fact that every other box was sold out in hours or minutes, but the Marines one is still available, is definitely not a good sign for it...
So I managed to get hold of 3 Christmas boxes - two Votann and a World Eaters one @ 25% off RRP so £315 for all 3. The objective with the WE box was get a cheap Angron - Already sold the 6x Eightbound for £60, selling the Berzerkers for £30. So that's a £25 Angron model. Second Votann box got rid of half the hearthguard and extra characters which equals a Sagitaur, Hekaton and 5 Hearthguard for like £45-50 I think.
A quick note on the world eaters box: eightbound are nearly war dog levels of impossible to find. They've been pretty much out of stock since the army launched, and whenever they're restocked, yhey sell out in minutes. The box including 6 of them is a huge selling point, and probably why it sold out in 5 minutes
In puncto shrinkflation: The favorite potato chips of my daughter was like 200g in 2005 and is now, for the same price, .... 75 gramms. It's outrageous.
I think the admech box in 2021 was the best box we ever got, could get two at least and be very happy. Way better than the Ork box that year, and I also play orks.
You should each design ideal Christmas box. (same price, roughly same box discount and put in what you each would want from such box)
Found the GW employee.
@@Jack-wy4cg good, maybe they could redesign battle sisters to include multimelta
i second this. i'd like to hear their views on their own Christmas box and what you want in it.
That’s a great video idea
@@Jack-wy4cg nope, I just like this type of their videos
I don't think our hosts understand Guard. 60 infantry isn't the max you'd want in an army, it's the minimum for a balanced force.
And command squads are great for building stand ins for our absurdly overpriced characters, so having a few extra is great.
2 combat patrols and this holiday box is a very good start to an IG army.
What do you typically run for IG lists? I hear a lot of comments from Poorhammer being frustrated by the focus on Cadian infantry, as opposed to Krieg.
Yeah, 60 sounds like a lot until you remember that it's 120 points for 20 Cadians. 20 Cadians are the equivalent to 10 Necron Warriors, 10 Eldar Storm Guardians (and their lil artillery thing ig), 5 Khorne Zerkers, etc.
Like they even acknowledge with other hordey infantry (nid gaunts) that you're probably running 60 of them if you're trying to use gaunts in a balanced list, but they seem to treat Guard as if people only play it with 90% tanks.
I get not knowing armies well, but cmon, you treated Nids right and they use battleline the same way!
Hell, 60 hormagaunts is still less reasonable than 60 cadians, bc unless you're doing a swarm oriented list, or just fucking love hormagaunts, you'll still probably have a mix of termagants and hormagaunts, whereas Guards basic infantry aren't mechanically all that different. Nobody has any reason to run Cadians and Krieg in the same list aside from thinking that they both look cool.
@@legodragon1999 Ironically you should never ever run Cadians, every other infantry has better abilities and weapons
@@legodragon1999not OP but I am a guard main. The number can honestly depend on what kind of list you’re running, but as another commenter said 20 of our guys is roughly the same strength of the standard squad of almost every other army.
Basically, in you’re running a regular old combined arms type list, you’re looking at around 100-120 bodies. For a tank focused list, about 60-80; for an artillery list, 80-100. And of course infantry focused lists will go even higher. It’s even possible to do a pure infantry list and get about 360 models on the board (and it’s strangely viable, too).
PS: Kreigers and Cadians actually have separate datasheets. The basic gist is that cadians take objectives better while kreigers are more tanky.
Hosts are dead set on guard being the "Only tanks" army and ignore the existence of troops on a frequent basis, according to Brad and Erick the only way to play guard is 80 Leeman Russes and like one squad of infantry to sit on the back objective, why? simple, they don't like horde armies (unless you are nids ig) and Horde guard players find it annoying (Hell, I aint even a guard player and I find it annoying)
Christmas boxes should be a LOT of weird stuff, different types of units AND one centerpiece type model/unit. I dont wanna have 15 minis for christmas, I want a lot of stuff to do for like 2 months
honestly, any discout box thats a spam of 1 unit is bad imo
i would VASTLY prefer 4 different units, over 3 of the same with 1 extra, no matter what they are
@@gregsmwnow while I do agree I have to say the guard box should get a pass sense 20 guys and 2 Rogal dorns for less than 300 buck in freedom is good and if you get the combat patrol(or cadia stands sense now on places like Amazon it’s cheaper) you now got around 885 points for only 340 freedom papers of units you want to run with only one dupe and the field ordnance batterie which you probably don’t want to
Trust me you definitely don't want that, we've had those types of boxes before and they are a god aweful entry point to the hobby. In the past it would be stuffed with unplayable garbage that no one would ever buy
@gabemamede5793
Depends if you are coming at it from the perspective of painter vs a player
What ive slowly learned from these past few videos is the Poorhammer patreon is basically paying to work for Brad and his crazy episode ideas 😂
What else did you expect from a Thousand Son chaos marine?
60 guardsman is like, 40% of the way to “never need guardsman again”
So 150 guardsmen in total?
@@tomtheconqerura fine start
All infantry guard!
6 * 20 man Cadians - 120 (720 points), 6 * 20 man Infantry - 120 (720 points), 5 * 20 man Catachans - 100 (550 points)
totaling 340 infantry! Might need to remove half a squad for an HQ but 60 guardsman isn't even close to enough!
"If you have an aunt or an uncle who's buying 200 US dollars worth of stuff, hook me up with that aunt or uncle."
I totally wasn't thinking adopted aunt, I was thinking Brad wanted a new sugar mamma/daddy on the side for his GW fix.
What I got out of this video: there's a magical store that sells $85 Angrons..... now to find it 😂
I managed to pick up a Skarbrand recently for $90. Deals are out there, just gotta be patient and keep your eyes open 👍
Crazy thing is...almost. In UK after the 20% off they get there(because they get lowest base price as well as the best standard discount for 3rd party stores), Angron comes out to £80, which equates to $100 USD.
@@demon1103they don’t get of, you guys just get scammed
@@demon1103 can confirm got angron for like £84 plus a few quid off with my loyalty points. Recently got a questoris NIB for £55 too off FB marketplace they MSRP at £105 and on 3rd party stores go for about £80-90
"The Voh-taaaahn~" is so very melodious.
Edit: Also, you understandably forgot the lift suited guys with the heavy weapons, one of the coolest but under represented units in the range.
As a Raven Guard player I love that we got our own box! I just saw it walking by my local game store one day and was surprised when I saw that because GW kinda forgets about us! And it’s everything a Raven Guard player could want. Except Reivers. I can’t help them there.
It was previous year box but, yeah, I liked that there were boxes for less popular legions instead of DA, SW and BA
I've honestly been eyeing that box for a raptors side project, and just harvest the reivers for bits
The reivers could be given the bolt carbines and just run as incursors or smthn
We need a dream faction box video, I'd love to see what you guys would pick for fairly balanced starter boxes, you guys could even pull a GW and try and fit in a kit that doesn't sell well for each faction
Here's hoping next year we'll have a Emperor's Children xmas box with Fulgrim and a bunch of noise marines
I may well be wrong, but I think the Daemon Fulgrim release for the Horus Heresy all but confirms that we won't be getting a 40k update to Fulgrim or Emperor's Children for a long, long time.
@@scerpalman40k emporer children is alr confirmed in the works its almost guaranteed to drop in a year or two
@scerpalman my wallet hopes so, my brain weeps if true
Well, there's now an Emperor's Children Index. It's trash, but it most likely means that either the end of this year or sometimes next year, we'll get a proper release for them.
41:00 I love these episodes. They are a good way to figure out the current state of 40k prices.
I feel that “perfect starter box was 6 months ago”. I’m trying to get into the hobby with Salamanders and the battleforce is 1.5xmsrp
Agreed. Cause the Salamanders Strikeforce box gave you. Adrax, 3 Aggressors, 3 Eradicators, and I believe 20 Intercessors along with Salamander Primaris frames. Which is an amazing starting point for someone wanting to play Salamanders. Or even just getting some decent units for marines.
The Tyranid Box is a bit of savings, but I think the real reason it sold out so fast is because Norns have been out of stock since release.
I personally do not need another flying hive tyrant to take up an entire case, so I can wait till the fabled day when I find a norn at my flgs.
The only Christmas box I regret missing out on was the Knights box last year. I really want to make a Chaos Knight army and that would have been great but of course I was a dummy and saying “nope not going to start a new army” back then.
I’m pretty sure I’ll never see a thousand sons box set that’s worth it because I already have the major centerpiece.
Honestly i felt similar about the nids box this year. I kinda wish it didnt have the hive tyrant because theres so many hive tyrants floating around on ebay and stuff. Its been in like, every value box for nids for years
The problem with the guard box is the “value” is in the free guardsmen, but I don’t know any guard player that needs more guardsmen. We all have tons already and tons unpainted because we get them in every box we buy. For a starting player I think they’re great (except you’ll quickly have too many command squads).
As a starting Guard player, that's pretty much my opinion. I do have too many Command Squads, using this and a couple of the Combat Patrols (and I arguably have too many Dorns, since I picked one up before the Christmas boxes got revealed), but at least they add meaningful durability to a squad through their medic's Feel No Pain, and help get Orders all over the board, even after casualties. But I am expecting to enjoy not having more Guardsmen to paint, and doing it purely for art reasons.
Still, I plan to pick up another couple of Shock Troops boxes, to kitbash some Catachan-equivalent squads together. My first planned list is going to have 80 dudes, and some Scions.
Despite collecting guard for a few years now, I actually don't mind the extra command squads flying around. They're not terrible to kitbash into other things. I've done psykers, Regimental advisors, commissars, and some book characters for my tanith.
The problem is infantry squads are silly expensive, and value boxes are often aimed towards players starting armies over veterans. Without the old 15 dollar box of 5 cadians you really need infantry in the value boxes to cut the cost of a guard army down.
@@DragonuFearikr i love how gw wants to sell you stuff and price it based off of how much of an army it takes up, unless thatd take the price below like 60 or 50 bucks. Outriders being 60 is ridiculous for literally 1 and a half sprues
I have 120 guardsmen and I still don't have enough. I welcome the sea of infantry. Might of been nice to had it as 2 squads of kriegsmen though
My wife got the Votann box, and I got the Tyranid one. Need those Nids for Horde mode, and also the Emissary is just cool. My wife was kinda falling out of love with the hobby until we played Horde mode, and now she's looking to pick up the Combat Patrol too so she has the whole army like you said lol
I tried to get her to get the Ork one because I love Squigs, but she plays Ork vehicles and already has a Kill Rig, so it didn't really interest her. I could have picked it up for myself I guess, but I wanted the Nid box more and money is expensive
"It hurts when I get up." You didn't have to come for me like this Brad, you didn't have to go for the throat
Video Idea. Create you ideal Combat Patrol or Christmas Box for every Army. That would be interesting
I would watch that. It sounds fun.
Honestly a great idea. As a Space Marine player, I actually enjoyed the thematic boxes that were based around a single chapter.
The Sylvaneth box from last year was killer. If you built it for max points, it was like 1300 and all useful units. For another $200 or so, you could make a legitimately solid starting army.
And no one seems to have wanted it, much to my benefit. I was able to pick it up for $130!
The Ossiarch Box this year is absolutely bonkers value. Morghasts are a pain in the ass to find in the US, you get a LK, and you get more of your anchor units (Mortek+Nanny and Kavalos). It’s very solid and the Harvester is pretty fun to paint.
The nighthaunt box was as well. Really good value units wise and a solid spread of battleline depending on army build
It hurts to look at American prices for Warhammer. Like a Kill Rig here costs around £70 and Outriders cost around £30
It's because the exchange rate was decided in the 90s when the pound was strong.
Australians have just brutal prices, exchange rate's about 2 AUD to 1 GBP, but they pay a 3 to 1 rate. 224 for a Kill Rig and 98 for Outriders. Interesting to contrast them with Japan, which has a similar exchange rate (after the yen are cents math) but much lower prices, 18700 for a Rig and 8300 for Outriders. I get that their pricing models are from a bygone time, and they like to talk about how much it costs to ship things out there, but I can't imagine trying to partake in this hobby at GW prices over there.
@@shadowmetroid18that’s just gw terrible argument for more profit lets be real
Mate over here in Norway it's 90$
@@nebulonian1385gw shifting the costs to the consumer is pretty dogshit when they likely ship in large bulk quantities. Espescially making it a difference of 10-40 dollars or more
We should buy these for our friends as great christmas presents right?
If they were still made of pewter you could put them in their shoes like a cat with lego.
Give them money so they can buy their own stuff.
lol
In defense of your statement on the guard box: as a guard player myself 40 infantry from this box and the combat patrol alone is not enough. Most guard players run a minimum 60 and an average of 80-90. If you’re going heavy into infantry that number goes well over 100. If there is anything certain with guard, you can never not use another 10 or 20 infantry here or there.
You guys should compare start collecting/combat patrols over the years. And the old school battleforce boxes. But yeah that SM box is so transparently dangling 15 of the new shiny assault guys in front of you so they can get rid of the atvs and bikes.
That ending remarks of the "go back in time 6 moths to get your aemy box" is some thing some one actually told me when i was contemplating votann but instead of 6 months it was like a year
as always these guys are my north star in the wonderful word of poorhammer and in saving our hard earned imperial credits
I ordered two of the Orks boxes because every single bit can take two variants of it if it's not an infantry kit and it gets you so many options. I'm stacking it on with my CP and the Boarding Patrol.
Remember the cadian and catachan defense force boxes? It was 2 infantry squads, a command squad, a chimera, a leman russ, and a heavy weapon squad.
Pepperidge farms remembers
Hey, 2022's Admech box was great! Buy two of them and you're set for like half an army!
Also the Knight Box was incredible, we shall never see it's like again...
Christmas boxes are so weird man. They're clearly designed and marketed as gifts, but for the majority of people it's a hard sell to ask them to spend $250-$300 depending on what currency you use on, to someone who is unfamiliar with the hobby, literally just plastic toys.
As a Guard player, I have wanted at least 1 Rogal Dorn tank since they released, but could never get my hands on one. As soon as I saw this had 2 Dorns, I grabbed at it because I already have a nearly full Guard army
I’m surprised that they didn’t like the new website design. I’m comparison to the old design it’s just way easier to find everything and it’s just simpler. I like it
As a new player who is itching to break into World Eaters, this box looks absolutely delectable. Plus, Poorhammer signing off on it is just the confirmation I need to know I'm not getting screwed. BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD!
Unfortunately its already out of stock
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Not at my local game store, though! So I'm all set.
If I hadn't already bought Angron, I would've jumped on it right away.
Not gonna lie.... I was expecting a "And they are already out of stock" after the transition to the show at 0:26.
Great episode. I hope the patrons ask for an AoS episode.
Well.... half are out of stock if that counts 😅
Besides 2 squads of cultists and a myphtic blight crawler i never brought a singular box for any of my warer armies. Only big boxes most of the time with a discount. So far not bad.
I am looking forward to my squig box. I really want a 2K army of squig orks. Not big into the rest of the ork line. Definitely tempted to buy 2 if my local game store has a second copy.
The Thousand Sons box from last year was my first foray into the tabletop portion of Warhammer. Think it's kinda cool that I started and finished my first year of the hobby with Daemon Primarchs.
As a reminder, Ebay is a GREAT way to get a lot of miniatures. Maybe not precisely what you want each time, but I have 3000 points worth of misc black templars including 5 Dreadnoughts, 4 Rhinos, a drop pod and well over 50 marines, Helbrecht and more for 350 US.
It's good to know thatafter spending time buying, building and painting my hormaguants, genestealers, hive tyrant that I'm going to have a fairly unique army.
The price hike is more drastic in canada where I think they went from like 220 to 280. Combined with our taxes (which can be up to 13%) this is quite a huge jump for the average collector.
Only the World Eaters and Tyranid boxes are sold out in Australia
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Hey, that's me! It is also, quite literally, the only reason I now actually started guard, so I guess it worked
I literally switched from podcast to youtube just to see the hat animation and lens flare. Thanks for the content!
I am way late here but I am only now catching up with the podcast at the moment.
One thing you missed when talking about the Imperial Fists and Raven Guard boxes is that they also included the upgrade sprues specific to those factions. They have limited value to players that aren't specificially in those factions, but they are still part of the monetary value.
I would actually say that those Battle Force boxes for specific marine chapters are actually a good concept, as they give a bit more direction and allow for better deals for specific play styles, but I would say they could have used a bit more variety in them. As someone who started a Slamanders army this past year I was very happy with picking up their box, even though I still have 10 Intercessors on sprues that I will probably sell instead of build. Then again, they probably had the best box among them, and I got a discount at my LGS.
for the guard box. as a guard player you NEED like 50-60 guard at least if you're going armoured to be competitive. if you're going arty you need way more and if you're going pure infantry you need WAY WAY more. Command Squads are useful not for having like 2 command squads but because you can get a command squad and kit bash 5 different HQs for cheap.
I was so angry at how fast the boxes sold out. These should be for newbies getting into the hobby and someone casually wanting to pick this up would just never get a chance. I tell people to play AoS cause it’s more newbie friendly and the models are more available/cheaper
Hey, Funny story from a german here the World eaters were sold out almost instantly and the Crap marines are still available 4 days later. 🤣
however i myself am happy that i got myself a set of the Tyranids (sold out after the first hour) so im gonna see if i can get my hands on a leviathan box next month so im really good off in the mix and match department (I literaly just started collecting the tyranids like half a month ago).
The rest sold out also quite quickly but to me it so fucking hilarious that their "poster children" are so unwanted😆
considering the value of the box it's no surprise but still im smiling thinking about it
I found the Kill dakka war band discounted at my lgs one day. Long story short, I'm now at 5000 plus points of orks
exact same story for me
To be fair, the Christmas boxes at least had loads of the new models in them, so they were decent even for veteran players. Most of the time they just throw in old stuff to make up the numbers, like the old guard kits, chimera, old boys kits, etc in the 2020 ones
09:15 y'know a warhammer 40k themed happy meal toy actually isn't the worst idea in the world (from GW's perspective), hooking all those kids on plastic crack at the same time...
As a World Eaters player: that is 2 Eightbound kits. Many people have difficulty finding *any* Eightbound, let alone two whole kits. Solid from that alone
The fact that an ATV costs 50 dollars and Outriders cost 60 is absolutely disgusting. They should not, under any circumstances, cost anywhere near that much money. ATV should be 35 dollars most like the old Attack Bike was.
Just for the future, if your are stuck getting pushfit, clip a small bit of the pins they will fit better. With the outriders i broke the pins off completely, as a couple were broke in the indomitus box and made it easier to make the gap minimal. Hope this help someoen.
I hate how great the ork box savings is because I just bought two
I mean, if I played orks I’d be all over it. I just cannot let myself buy a horde army and then jump all in.
I also think part of my problem is my brain only has so much capacity for 40K and I’m struggling to retain all the knowledge.
Nothing is more funny than spiteful love like getting someone a centerpiece miniature near $200 just to piss them off
I'm under the impression that they roll a bunch of dice and select units off a paper depending on what the dice say after throwing in whatever they can't sell and/or are pushing.
my printer finished the last berserker from the box i couldnt buy, today. looks good. cost.....40 bucks for resin
I bought Bastion Strike Force recently because I am building imperial fists based army. It fills all my Gravis-clad desires and I get aggressors which are strong now. Gordon I didn't own so was a good pickup for me.
I think the votann and ork boxes are incredible and glad I got them
Something i thought about during this video, what should Warhammer minis be priced at? I mean, we all know Warhammer is over priced, but by how much? Like, how much should a box of infantry be? How about a character, or vehicle/monster?
Starting Votann, managed to get one copy of the Christmas box (would have tried for two but was also getting the Orks) from my FLGS but managed to find a Sagitaur at a discount as well which I've grabbed. Then I'm going to use the loyalty points the store offer for another Hekaton in the future. More roundabout way than getting two of the Christmas box but pretty good way of getting that sweet double up of the expensive/hard-to-find vehicles.
if you went a few more years, there were some really good ones.
I got a primaris captain, 10 intercessors, 10 reivers, 3 interceptors and a repulsor
the world eaters box is also intresting becuase its SO HARD to get ANY eightbound, so i was devastated i couldnt get my hands on one
Aah poorhammer talks shit about valueboxes once again, now thats the content I came for!
You forgot the Ultramarine Christmas box set from last year, Scions of Macragge. The best value for the last 3 years.
new to the world of 40k just ordered the orks box to start off btw thx poorhammer for y'alls help
I liked the bastion box purely because i love how tts made rogal dorn
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God I wish I could still get em that cheap. I am lucky to find outriders at under $50 now
I would also say that comparing the DG/TS box to WE is very reasonable
The Space Marine box might not be good. But god dammit, I'm a White Scars Player, so I'm taking it!
this new thing is this time is : when you buy some of them twice (when you can) you can actually make a very nice army . The best in mind for me are Tyranids, Orks and Votaans . (got lucky enough to buy 2 ork ones and 1 tyranid... i can't think of a best deal to keep me occupied for years).
Last year was just great. Set the bar. This year falls short of but 2 boxe have an army
I think it shold be pointed out that the Cadian Defense Force is a better value than the old Bastion Platoon.
Back in the day, those cadian guard were only 35$ (maybe 45$ with the cadian upgrade sprue? but im pretty sure that sprue dropped in late 2021) And the old Sentinel was *dirt* cheap. While the comparison to now $$ might be good, I don't think its a true comparison to prices back then vs now, as the *new* cadian guard
I should waited on my response a bit, but I also just don't like the old box tbh. The tanks it includes are well... bad tanks
Best holiday box was the Squigalanche box. The Ork box is close second
Conspiracy theory time: Brad suspected the outcome and outsourced the episode to avoid allegations of being a GW shill
This years Marine box was also the worst value in terms of overall savings compared to standard RRP -20% (at least in UK prices). Votann was £78 off, Orks £64, Guard £54, Tyranids £48 and Marines only £46. Many places weren't even selling at 20% discount so you're potentially only really saving like £20. It felt like they were trying to take advantage of the "Space Marines always sell factor" in a time when that is now no longer as true.
I was somewhat relieved that SIsters didn't get a box this year, though it's hard to get Sisters at a discount, I still have the last 2 Sisters Christmas boxes on my shelf (because Sisters at a discount is an auto-buy).
In regards to the Krieg issue, I feel like the reason they don't do it is because there is only 1 plastic Krieg kit. As much as I want a full plastic refresh of Krieg, they aren't going to add them to combo boxes because they don't match the aesthetics of virtually every other Guard kit (FOB, Scout Sentinel, Rogal Dorn, Command Squad, etc). Ideally, I would like an upgrade sprue so I can convert at least my tank commanders and stuff without buying from forgeworld.
In AU, the space marine box was 285 (third party) and 3 Jump Intercessors and a Captain is 280. I'll pay $5AUD for 3 out riders and an ATV. But if I didn't specifically want 20 Jump intercessors, and waited for the Christmas box incase they showed up, then I'd be pissed at this box.
For me it was the soulblight gravelord one vs the 2 years ago one its the exact same but instead of more chaf units you get dogs and beasts that's it its the same box
I bit the bullet and went for the tyranid on. It has literally all of what I need to complete my post Leviathan release set that I got. I'm actually ecstatic for. I paid way too much, but I cannot wait to have those freaking new hormagants and Genestealers...and that sexy new nornqueen
By Grabthar's Hammer... What a Savings
Nothing as good as the knight box value. Literally 2 boxes gave you a tournament ready list for $420. Best value I've ever seen
Leagues box: Cool. Awesome. Nice mix of units. Got me to start a Leagues army. The box I got.
Guard box: Cool. Awesome. Personally would've swapped one of the Dorns out for either a Leman Russ or a pair of Sentinels, but it's a neat tank so it's fine.
Tyranids box: Cool. Awesome. Nice spread of units, but I've pretty much got all that stuff anyway. Doesn't matter so it's fine.
Orks box: Not a huge fan of Snaggas. Not that I don't like 'em, just not interested in 'em. Fine I guess. Don't really care.
Space Marines box: Boring. Shit. Terrible. Garbage. Who the fuck came up with this box.
World Eaters box: WHAT IS IT WITH EVERYONE AND EIGHTBOUND?! THIS THING SOLD OUT *IMMEDIATELY.*
I got super confused when I watched an Auspex Tactics video about how the combat patrols were getting worse, and forgot this video was about holiday boxes.
If this video was about combat patrols, I dont think the conclusion would be that there isnt any shrinkflation.
The only reasons I'm buying the Space Marines box is that I was away from the game for a loooong time, so I don't happen to have the McDonald's toys yet, and almost all of my old minis have been phased out.
The only time where I like almost all the boxes was when they released the Apocalypse wave. SM & CSM came with too many marines, Eldar had too many wraith guards, but other than that everything else were near perfect.
as a new gaurd person. this christmas books good to me to finnish my staring army.of course i want to do more but WH is expensive. i want to get to the table top asap
I’m at least happy that hormagaunts are finally in a value box, hormagaunts are meant to be the vast ones that burry fortresses, of course they should be in value boxes!
One thing I’d like in the Cadian Defense Force is a heavy weapon team. It could be another unit or be mixed with the infantry to run them as infantry squads and platoon command squad
Aww yeah been waiting for this.
You two have become my fave 40K TH-cam channel.
Correction, with the Christmas box and combat patrol, you are missing 2 units. The Ironmaster AND the Exosuit big gun buddies, the forgettable last edition and absolutely staple in Index unit lmao.
As a guard player, I feel like I have to say I fundamentally disagree with the "too many troops" complaint for our boxes. This the Imperial Guard; we can out-horde the Tyranids on the table-top, and considering infantry guard is pretty good right now, you can NEVER have too many guardsmen. I do agree that double-Dorns in a box may be a bit much, I would like to see other vehicles make an appearance, and also the re-vamped Heavy Weapons Teams. Like come on, where the hell are they?
Also as far as the being Cadian goes, the thing about Guard is that they are practically meant to be the customizable faction; Cadian equipment is just kinda seen as the universal standard for the Astra Militarum, so with minimal effort you can proxy Cadian troops as practically any force in the galaxy. That's always been a major hobby advantage for us.
Ooh ooh ooh 33:05 he said he was wrong!!! Clip it!!!!
Been playing Battletech for the past few years. Every time I get the itch to get back into Warhammer, the prices chase me away.
But where can you get them ? (Now) The Space Marine box is really bad if you take into account that the ATV is in Warhammer Imperium Magazine, so the savings compared to where you can get them alternatively is really bad.
You forgot to mention the large double upgrade kits included with the Raven Fuard and Imperial Fist boxes, on top of the characters. So you lose potentially $80-90 value on those.
I'll probably be grabbing a second of the new SM boxes to go with my first. Same for the Tyranids one that I already ordered.
I collect Space Wolves, Dark Angels and Black Templars (all with Deathwatch shoulders) so the new SM box is super valuable to me as I own zero jump troops and can always use more bikes, lol.
The Tyranids boxes will bring my Norn and Tyrant collection up to 5 each. These days you want two Flyrants for your Vanguard Detachment.
So some good value to keep me busy next year.
I had initially preordered the Marines box set, mainly out of FOMO, and because I didn't have any of the units in it, aside from a single squad of Outriders. On reflection, I've cancelled my preorder. The fact that every other box was sold out in hours or minutes, but the Marines one is still available, is definitely not a good sign for it...
So I managed to get hold of 3 Christmas boxes - two Votann and a World Eaters one @ 25% off RRP so £315 for all 3.
The objective with the WE box was get a cheap Angron - Already sold the 6x Eightbound for £60, selling the Berzerkers for £30. So that's a £25 Angron model.
Second Votann box got rid of half the hearthguard and extra characters which equals a Sagitaur, Hekaton and 5 Hearthguard for like £45-50 I think.
A quick note on the world eaters box: eightbound are nearly war dog levels of impossible to find. They've been pretty much out of stock since the army launched, and whenever they're restocked, yhey sell out in minutes. The box including 6 of them is a huge selling point, and probably why it sold out in 5 minutes
In puncto shrinkflation: The favorite potato chips of my daughter was like 200g in 2005 and is now, for the same price, ....
75 gramms. It's outrageous.
I think the admech box in 2021 was the best box we ever got, could get two at least and be very happy. Way better than the Ork box that year, and I also play orks.