Honestly, I've spent so much more money than I ever would have in this hobby *because* of wahapedia. I don't think GW understands how much the ability to look over army rules and datasheets for stuff you don't have can drive future purchases and the impulse to start a new army.
New players are likely to buy the app or buy new models they might not actually need. Either way makes GW money, and if you're an experienced player using a 3rd party system you're still buying their models so they really don't care.
I can personally attest to this as when I originally started the hooby I was only really interested in diffrent flavors of marines but got curious and got to look at both the rules and models of Xenos factions along with other Imperium and Chaos armies thanks to Wahapedia. I want multiple armies now.
Yep. It's certainly did that for me a few times. Honestly, even teh argument of "They want to sell books" seems questionable to me because I am basically willing to bet my life that if they just codex's for the lore and painting guide people would still buy them.
So hard to stomach the army builder is going behind a pay wall. It's been so cool being able to look at stats at the gamestore to help inform my purchase. In a hobby where I've got 140 dollars of models soaking in simple green to manually scrub army painter primer off after I screwed up, a subscription pay wall for the freakin rules is insane.
@petararmbruster5039 yeah I've heard about totally awesome for stripping, simple green has been barely working after weeks and scrubbing intermittently. Army painter primer is so hard to remove, when people are talking about brake fluid as the solution you know you're screwed!
@@chaseh432 trust me , LA'S works like a chemical weapon, I stripped some termies with Rust-Oleum primer and caked on red craft paint in like a week, shits magic
LA's has done a good job on my models that I primed with AP primer. 48 hour soak and then a scrub pulled off 80-95%. More detailed models with small crevices or super thick layers may take an extra scrub and soak, but you should be able to get models down to mostly bare plastic
I thought they were heading in the right direction with the whole free online rules for 10th thing, but the bean counters need their blood tithe. So sad.
If you go back and listen to the words in the 10th Edition preview show carefully we knew this outcome was going to happen from Day 1. They tip-toed around exact wordings every time free rules were mentioned with a ton of riders. You don't say it in roundabout ways when your being honest, you do it when you know you're (technically not) lying to your audience in an advertisement. From memory: "At the edition launch Indexes will be free." "You will be able to freely access your armies rules and build armies at the start of the edition." "These free rules will later be updated and replaced by your codex in a system that replaces rules rather than adding complexity" etc. All things that didn't need extra words unless they knew they had to be added for legal reasons.
@@thepoorhammerpodcast Honestly, what I don't get is why they didn't keep the base rules and index free but allowed you to add a codex if you bought it physically. Go for a "The first hit is free" approach.
@@themilo1567 Because GW behaves as a monopoly company would. There's very little pressure to be smart about earning money when your profit margin is as large as GW's.
@@themilo1567The detachment rules and datacards ostensibly aren't changing much, and points will be free, so you can continue mostly playing with the old cards and detachment rules and online items
THERE IS a copy unit. you have hit the 3 dots on right of the unit and it will open a menu that will give you the option to copy unit with its loadout.
And if you want to add a model to a unit and have a default loadout added (e.g adding a termagant to a unit and it will give you fleshborer and claws and teeth) you can choose that in the settings
I find it increasingly amusing how they just copy pasted the AoS app only with 40k rules but now you have to pay for it even though its already free for their other game
@rudinipl4012 I'm with you there, I don't think they're going to hit us with the "Subscription Paywall" immediately. But next year will give us AoS 4th edition. If GW is gonna pull a move like that, they would do it then.
@@kurojima the cynical answer is that they're only charging for 40k because 40k is more popular. they need to go out of their way to _get_ people to play AoS. so i dont see them ever charging for it.
They also know 40k players are more of a pushover, and will just accept paying for things that AoS players would just go "fuck that shit, there's loads of fantasy tabletop games other than yours that my army will slot right into. SEE YAH!"
NewRecruit is a pwa, so it can be used offline after installing, the only problem is only books you've use while online will work, there's plans to allow you to install an entire system. For the pdf export, its basically legacy and we plan on improving & adding options to the pretty export instead, which browsers let you save as a pdf when printing
You’d think GW would keep the app free for marketing purposes, but then you remember that GW’s only marketing strategy is to give out limited products to TH-camrs instead of players, then stop making those products.
GW is in the possession of a large herd of cattle that will pay them exorbitant amounts of money for things. They don't need to try, trying would in fact harm profits. Just keep giving the cattle their oats.
@@mediocreswiss7609 no it wouldn't trying just means the people in the top aren't able to dictate everything everyone does in the company, or they have to work hard
Just got it and while it ain't perfect it's pretty good, and I had a basic list created in like a few minutes. The points totals next to keywords is stupid though and trying to change font size in settings is broken. Solid effort though
As an update I can't add Imperial Agents to my Blood Angels list for some reason, so definitely some kinks need ironing out. Hopefully they get them fixed because it's one of those things that if it works would be great. I already found wargear easier to do than GW's app. The other thing with the GW app I noticed is everything is massively oversized so you can't fit a lot on the page and you're doing way too much scrolling.
GW Army Builder isn’t good enough to go behind a paywall. It’s got an absolutely mind-boggling organization that clearly wasn’t designed to be used while playing 40K.
For New Recruit, the points going up are not for calculating the points for your army list but for how many points you are spending on the various categories. Old One Eye, has a Character, an Epic Character, and a Monster, so his points go to all 3 buckets. Some people like seeing how they are spending their points when they build their lists.
Like tapping into an army and selecting "battle mode" and show all the datasheets of the army (with only the chosen loadout) and have direct access to stratagems and removing all the parts that allow the army building part? Yeah, that would be neat
Late because I just found this channel, but to explain what happened with Canada for those who don't know. We have a province in Canada, Quebec, that is majority French and arroga- I mean proud of it. Recently they passed a language law mandating French for everything in province, including streaming services. The next thing about it is Canadian French is NOT France French. So GW would have to dub/translate everything in the service again specifically for one province in one country. It would be the American equivalent of Louisiana declaring Louisianan Creole as an official language and demanding GW adapt everything for that language. On top of that, there's some weird clauses in the law, that (the way it's written) allows for Quebec authorities to demand, at any time, user databases among other confidential business information, and can impose financial penalties if they aren't given the information within a short time frame. Time will tell if GW bothers to separate it by region and just block Quebec, but I doubt they'll spend the resources. RIP
If you want to actually play without investing 4 figures, you can use Wahapedia, Tabletop Simulator w/mods, and a voice chat. Something like 20 dollars-ish.
I know Waha isn't dead, they recently updated the Kill Team tab with the newer teams. Took them a while but sure enough, they got there. I'm willing to bet they're waiting for the first Codexes to drop since Index stuff is free. Sure, it's quite annoying to constantly be swapping between pdfs to know your stuff, but without paywalls involved at least it's manageable. So yeah, expecting Waha to be updated when Codex Space Boy Scouts and Space Bugs drop... Allegedly.
A point worth mentioning for Rosterizer is you do need to learn it if you want to play on TableTop Simulator, as the scripting for the models only works with Rosterizer now iirc
We used BattleScribe for TTS just two weeks ago and NewRecruit added YellowScribe support last week based off their discord announcements. This may have been true for the start of the edition before the BSData dev team got 10th working.
Sorry you found it so frustrating to use. It IS beta software after all. The UI is made to be able to develop against and we'll be refactoring it once we're able to. Accounts are required at this point partly because we store data on a server-offline mode is coming-and partly because it's a beta test so we need to be able to analyze how people are using it. Editing wargear is a bit of a pain, not due to issues with the app but due to some oddness with how certain weapons have to work and rather than special-case the weird ones, we standardized the behavior for the test data. If the community decides that a different approach would be preferable, they have the ability to make those changes, as our data is democratized.
After the most recent update (as of posting this), Rosterizer is far and away my favorite list builder, loading times have been VASTLY improved since the posting of this video, and the way information is organized is something I really like too. Great job improving, guys!
The settings to fix New Recruit's weird export colors are in the "Background" section. You would think it's the "White Background" checkbox in the "Text Export" section. You would be wrong. You're going to want to pick something in a nice medium grey or thereabout (I did 175/175/175) for the background color and then turn transparency on the image all the way down. This will let you use the theme in a quasi dark mode, but will "export pretty" with nice black text on muted grey background.
I am today years old when I learned you can duplicate models in battlescribe. To dup a unit you right click and have the option to duplicate, but to dup a model you have to select a model and then use the little copy symbol button on the second bar from the top in the middle... next to the formatting buttons. As a person who was very tired of painstakingly equipping each model in Deathwatch armies with the same loadout, I think the ability to mass copy models in Rosterizer with one input was my favorite part of Rosterizer. I will say though, Rosterizer is still my favorite at the moment as their yellowscribe output doesn't break like BS (yes this includes the most recent BS update, it still breaks much of the yellowscribe script, and it'll ask you to select models for the guns of some units). They also have a very active data authors, I remember posting on BS's github (following their rules) and pointing out a flaw, then getting told it'll get fixed in the next BS update which was with the next codex release at the time so a few weeks later (which would apply to New Recruit as well). I posted a problem with a Rosterizer manifest and it was fixed in only a few hours.
I don't know what it is but every single time Brad says "19-dickity-two", I laugh. Watching the editor navigate Rosterizer is a delight. With all the others, I can tell they're showing things off, they're clicking buttons and making examples out of stuff, they know what to do and where to go. With Rosterizer, I can almost tell just by the way the mouse moves and how they keep selecting the same stuff over and over (at least it looks like that) that they are legitimately just trying to understand what they're doing. It's a bad look, but it's very charming for the editor and I appreciate their efforts. It is so, so funny that Eric found the Dragon theme on New Recruit and immediately got super aggressive about how he _insisted_ on using the Dragon theme. When I was listening to the audio version I did check New Recruit on my mobile browser just to see, and the Dragon theme does look cool, but also on mobile the image is much smaller and it just repeats so it has a strong Angelfire "welcome to my website, please sign my guestbook, here's a cool picture I found on Google that I tiled for the background" energy, which I _kind of_ love. It looks like Export Pretty does not use the font color of your chosen theme, it is always default black. I just checked on the dark theme and it does the same thing, then I switched it back to classic and it looks fine. They need to give you an option to change the font color on Export Pretty or at least switch it to white when you have a dark theme selected, like Dark or Dragon. You can see on the theme "Ghost" it uses grey rather than black, so the text is _visible_ but difficult to make out. That's an annoying problem because I like Export Pretty but I also really want to use the Dark theme. It seems like this should be an easy fix, but I don't know shit about that. The options they give you for customization are _great._ But overall I really like New Recruit and I'm so glad you guys did a video on this topic to introduce me to it! That said, never forget about basic stuff like Google Sheets, Excel, or just a pad and paper. They're minimalist and require you to do all the work yourself, but they also allow full customization of how you want to lay out your notes.
One thing to note with New Recruit is that it is the premier list builder and tournament organization app for the 9th Age and that team works very closely with the 9th Age community. They are great guys.
Newrecruit works decently well, it has been the app of choice for the 9th age community for years now. The added in tournament support is a nice touch. There used to be a phone app, but support was stopped. I am wondering if the dev can add support for a phone app if they gain a larger user base (thinking of funding the app).
Hey, thank you so much for doing this episode!! I was agonizing over going back to battlescribe too, and had not heard of New Recruit before, already love it.
Eric and I had the same experience, but Berilio managed to crash it on his phone in a few hours of recording footage on it. I'm going to guess it's an issue that will be phone dependent. (He also managed to blue screen his computer while installing BlueStacks for his first attempt at recording footage, so he had a GREAT time this episode.)
@@thepoorhammerpodcast for sure seems like a phone to phone thing, for a new player the official 40k app is definitely the supreme for newer players who need specific wording. Furthermore, I play Sister's of Battle and Battlescribe does not work properly when selecting war gear for my Battle Sisters and is dead to me.
It's not GW's fault (this time) that Warhammer+ isn't available in Canada. They just have a ridiculous law that requires streaming services, which Warhammer+ technically is, to have 'Canadian content'.
The app is what finally made me jump in being able to figure out what and army looks like for my faction. The army builder basically turned into a shopping list
I’m 100% the same. I would even make two versions of each list - one representing all the models I already had, and one ‘full potential’ 2000/3000 point list to work towards.
Great breakdowns and good banter as always, gentlemen! Thank you for your time, and thanks for introducing some of us to some other options we wouldn’t know about otherwise!
All these list building apps just make me think how useful it was for me to learn how to make lists with pen and paper. You get really good at reading the codex, and thus understanding your rules better, when you have to re-read pages several times. You also just become damn near encyclopedic with your knowledge because, again, you've read the damn book repeatedly.
When I downloaded the official app, I remember seeing a "this will be free **for a limited time only**" and my first thought was "Yeah, that's on-brand for GW."
oh for the days of LoneWolf Army Builder. I always loved that program. (edit) This program allowed attachments in 5th ed, GW screwing over every developer in those years made us lose a lot of talent in this space.
I've been using the Google sheets format and just clipping the data sheets from the free Warhammer Community downloads and then highlighting the rules and wargear that are in effect. It can get quite ugly at times and scrolling on my phone can get annoying but the results have been phenomenal. And I have the strategems right there!
Found the podcast a couple months ago and first time commenter I really liked this episode. I myself have never played a 40K game, more into the lore myself, but as a suggestion for maybe a followup episode it would be fun and interesting of you guys doing a guide with the New Recruit Builder of how you should compose a 40K army. I think it could help potential new players and advertise that Builder for existing players!
Comic Sans is actually a great option. It's designed in a way that makes it easy to read even when people have problems which make reading harder such as dyslexia
Battlescribe is cool and all, but you guys are completely right about the keywords. 30k has a whole manifesto below each army list, it's honestly scary
I find it hilarious the death guard army name was "Stinky" as its exactly what I used to play around with the factions armies. I'm glad im not the only one bad at naming things lol
I'm just gonna do what I did when I was a kid and it was 4th Edition 40k... gonna write everything out on a notepad and flip pages during tabletop time.
I've noticed that New Recruit's "Export List (Pretty)" option only breaks with darker and dragon themes because of browser settings or plugins auto applying a dark mode to new tabs. Turning off my browser addon for that specific tab fixed the pretty PDFs for me. Hope this helps!
At first, I definitely was not a big fan of Rosterizer, but I've come full circle on it. Once you get past the the admittedly obtuse interface, it's one of the fastest, easiest builders to use. The fact that all the strats are just there in plain text is really nice, too.
Thanks for this, much appreciated. Having a look at New Recruit now - my personal preference is for hard copy over flicking back and forth between screens, and this looks promising 🤘
If you made multiple lists in the last version of the 40K app and you didnt delete them. You can just keep them and edit those lists. So now I have like 10 lists I can edit and use them 100% free.
My UI class has a 12 week group project that requires using databases to make an app, so this video has given me the idea to make an army builder app. Maybe, if I can convince other people in a group to do it LOL
From what I can tell about New Recruit, lists are cookie based when you're not a registered user and probably server based when you're signed in as it downloads lists when you sign in from a new device or browser. Chances are lists aren't too data intensive (maybe a few kilobytes per list at most) but at the same time I can't see what's actually going on in the backend. Glad you brought it up though, because as a Canadian this is probably going to be my go to option now that GW won't even take my money to use their app and I really don't like Battlescribe.
I have opened up New Recruit for the first time - someone there watches or listens to you guys, alegedly. A lot of the things you mentioned have been fixed.
I listern to you guys to feel happy that I play "one page rules" a practically free to play game that GIVES you access to a army builder they say is beta that is better then anything you've shown today. Thank you
Me, a new player: Why tf does GW think they can get away with charging to make an army list? Me halfway through this video: Ohhhh... everything else sucks...
An army builder isn't even that necessary anymore, since they gutted army building you just need to add like 10 numbers and make a brief note on loadout
Unfortunately, if every gaming company could charge you monthly for their game, they would do it in a heartbeat. GW wants you to pay monthly for access to your codexes and army builder, Wizards wants you to pay monthly for your DnD and Magic stuff, modern gaming is all about getting a free to play game out there and then hitting the battle pass button; the idea of players having to pay you every month for your game rather than buying in with one lump sum is so appealing because it's potentially infinite money, especially if those players mean to cancel their subs but just keep forgetting to do so.
Those alternatives look pretty fun. Did not know BattleScribe and the 40K devs are separate, but it makes sense. New recruit looks great, even in comic sans. XD. Great vid guys!
So last thoughts, as of now, the rules half of the 40k app is still free, the biggest litmus test for me is going to be the release of the new Space Marine Codex. My understanding was that the Codexs were going to shift more towards fluff and "DLC" type stuff. They already previewed some pretty in-depth looking rules, so hopefully rules will be updated for free and just the builder is behind the paywal like it is now. I won't hold my breath but that'd be a better outcome
I am very new to the hobby and I picked up a Warhammer+ sub alongisde the Leviathan box in no small part because I assumed that would be key to keeping access to the app. RIP.
As others have said New Recruit has an app now... but it can also dump to cache or something similar so once you click it then it'll work offline, but no version updates until you connect online again
New Recruit is my personal use one, I love it because it has everything I need besides Strategems. I get my characters, their abilities, and keywords all on their datasheet in the app. It's awesome.
New 40k player here and new Kill team player. I was absolutely baffled by the lack of rules and list building available. I bought the phobos kill team box and the core book hoping rules would be in there, I also searched their website and there are 0 instructions on how to build a kill team list. I eventually had to ask on reddit and found out wahapedia was the best place to go as no official info available other than in the starter box or buying yet another £30 book (the book from starter boxes). Absolutely horrendous entry to the hobby when I dropped £100 just for two kill teams and the rule book already. They really need a free list building guide/tool available with all the data sheets in one place, as I am not paying monthly to use their app to do it
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Honestly, I've spent so much more money than I ever would have in this hobby *because* of wahapedia. I don't think GW understands how much the ability to look over army rules and datasheets for stuff you don't have can drive future purchases and the impulse to start a new army.
New players are likely to buy the app or buy new models they might not actually need. Either way makes GW money, and if you're an experienced player using a 3rd party system you're still buying their models so they really don't care.
I can personally attest to this as when I originally started the hooby I was only really interested in diffrent flavors of marines but got curious and got to look at both the rules and models of Xenos factions along with other Imperium and Chaos armies thanks to Wahapedia. I want multiple armies now.
And not just for 40K, it's also there for AoS and KT.
KT in particular is great, it has everything your squad does in a single page.
Yep. It's certainly did that for me a few times.
Honestly, even teh argument of "They want to sell books" seems questionable to me because I am basically willing to bet my life that if they just codex's for the lore and painting guide people would still buy them.
Couldnt agree more. I came back into the hobby because of Wahapedia.
So hard to stomach the army builder is going behind a pay wall. It's been so cool being able to look at stats at the gamestore to help inform my purchase. In a hobby where I've got 140 dollars of models soaking in simple green to manually scrub army painter primer off after I screwed up, a subscription pay wall for the freakin rules is insane.
la's totally awesome is like 2$ a gallon, DG usually has it and its pretty amazing
@petararmbruster5039 yeah I've heard about totally awesome for stripping, simple green has been barely working after weeks and scrubbing intermittently. Army painter primer is so hard to remove, when people are talking about brake fluid as the solution you know you're screwed!
Isopropyl Alcohol can work too, but you gotta be very careful cuz it might ruin the actual model
@@chaseh432 trust me , LA'S works like a chemical weapon, I stripped some termies with Rust-Oleum primer and caked on red craft paint in like a week, shits magic
LA's has done a good job on my models that I primed with AP primer. 48 hour soak and then a scrub pulled off 80-95%. More detailed models with small crevices or super thick layers may take an extra scrub and soak, but you should be able to get models down to mostly bare plastic
I thought they were heading in the right direction with the whole free online rules for 10th thing, but the bean counters need their blood tithe. So sad.
If you go back and listen to the words in the 10th Edition preview show carefully we knew this outcome was going to happen from Day 1.
They tip-toed around exact wordings every time free rules were mentioned with a ton of riders. You don't say it in roundabout ways when your being honest, you do it when you know you're (technically not) lying to your audience in an advertisement.
From memory: "At the edition launch Indexes will be free." "You will be able to freely access your armies rules and build armies at the start of the edition." "These free rules will later be updated and replaced by your codex in a system that replaces rules rather than adding complexity" etc. All things that didn't need extra words unless they knew they had to be added for legal reasons.
@@thepoorhammerpodcast Honestly, what I don't get is why they didn't keep the base rules and index free but allowed you to add a codex if you bought it physically. Go for a "The first hit is free" approach.
@@themilo1567 Because GW behaves as a monopoly company would. There's very little pressure to be smart about earning money when your profit margin is as large as GW's.
@@themilo1567The detachment rules and datacards ostensibly aren't changing much, and points will be free, so you can continue mostly playing with the old cards and detachment rules and online items
But it's still a frustrating first-hit free rug pull. Corporations are a plague
THERE IS a copy unit. you have hit the 3 dots on right of the unit and it will open a menu that will give you the option to copy unit with its loadout.
Yup, duplicate
And if you want to add a model to a unit and have a default loadout added (e.g adding a termagant to a unit and it will give you fleshborer and claws and teeth) you can choose that in the settings
@@gasknightto be fair, that's new
@@musicalcharge I believe it's been there for a month or so? Maybe only a half month. It feels like it's been a while.
they're talking about when you add 10 warriors to a necron unit and the weapons amount doesnt auto update to 20
Brad, your wife sounds like a really smart and patient person. Good job!
We know thats you! Brads wife
@@noahcolangelo2718 That can't be my wife, she'd never watch our videos. 😂🥲
@@thepoorhammerpodcastdamn, the hard slap of reality.
I find it increasingly amusing how they just copy pasted the AoS app only with 40k rules but now you have to pay for it even though its already free for their other game
oh dont worry, i am 100% expecting the same to be coming ro AoS
@@kurojimaWhy would it? It's been free so far, they never said it will be paid. With 40k app they said it from the start
@rudinipl4012 I'm with you there, I don't think they're going to hit us with the "Subscription Paywall" immediately. But next year will give us AoS 4th edition. If GW is gonna pull a move like that, they would do it then.
@@kurojima the cynical answer is that they're only charging for 40k because 40k is more popular. they need to go out of their way to _get_ people to play AoS. so i dont see them ever charging for it.
They also know 40k players are more of a pushover, and will just accept paying for things that AoS players would just go "fuck that shit, there's loads of fantasy tabletop games other than yours that my army will slot right into. SEE YAH!"
The fact that Eric and Brad forgot to rate the remaining two options was so perfect, well done Borellio 😂
there are no mistakes
NewRecruit is a pwa, so it can be used offline after installing, the only problem is only books you've use while online will work, there's plans to allow you to install an entire system.
For the pdf export, its basically legacy and we plan on improving & adding options to the pretty export instead, which browsers let you save as a pdf when printing
You’d think GW would keep the app free for marketing purposes, but then you remember that GW’s only marketing strategy is to give out limited products to TH-camrs instead of players, then stop making those products.
GW will market the app is free, but that will just mean you can download it for free, and using it cost money
GW is in the possession of a large herd of cattle that will pay them exorbitant amounts of money for things. They don't need to try, trying would in fact harm profits. Just keep giving the cattle their oats.
@@mediocreswiss7609 no it wouldn't trying just means the people in the top aren't able to dictate everything everyone does in the company, or they have to work hard
I started using New Recruit summer last year and never looked back. Glad that y’all liked it too!
Just got it and while it ain't perfect it's pretty good, and I had a basic list created in like a few minutes. The points totals next to keywords is stupid though and trying to change font size in settings is broken. Solid effort though
As an update I can't add Imperial Agents to my Blood Angels list for some reason, so definitely some kinks need ironing out. Hopefully they get them fixed because it's one of those things that if it works would be great. I already found wargear easier to do than GW's app. The other thing with the GW app I noticed is everything is massively oversized so you can't fit a lot on the page and you're doing way too much scrolling.
GW Army Builder isn’t good enough to go behind a paywall. It’s got an absolutely mind-boggling organization that clearly wasn’t designed to be used while playing 40K.
I agree. I can't wrap my mind around it. Why have WH+ be a separate service? Why is it not included? It would make WH+ almost worth it.
Agree it is counter-intuitive and need so many click to go between stats and rules
@@marcobaldi9697 alzo every other company gas a free app way Better t'han the GW one: Infinity, Malifaux, One Page Rules... Even Battletech...
@@soffren as with every shitty decision gw makes, there’s a simple single word answer for all questions: money
i'm so sad that 'rip bozo' wasn't kept, but i'm glad we saw it in all of its glory
For New Recruit, the points going up are not for calculating the points for your army list but for how many points you are spending on the various categories. Old One Eye, has a Character, an Epic Character, and a Monster, so his points go to all 3 buckets. Some people like seeing how they are spending their points when they build their lists.
The 40k app needs a “Battle Mode” so you get dropped into the data sheet instead of the customization menu
Like tapping into an army and selecting "battle mode" and show all the datasheets of the army (with only the chosen loadout) and have direct access to stratagems and removing all the parts that allow the army building part? Yeah, that would be neat
Something similar to whay one page rules has for ots list buolder
There's a button for that, in the top-right of your list menu. Looks like a circle with a mask on it, it's called Command Bunker.
@@travelingspartan2035 Yes, but that wasn’t there until a few months ago. It’s a truly great addition to the game
Late because I just found this channel, but to explain what happened with Canada for those who don't know.
We have a province in Canada, Quebec, that is majority French and arroga- I mean proud of it.
Recently they passed a language law mandating French for everything in province, including streaming services. The next thing about it is Canadian French is NOT France French. So GW would have to dub/translate everything in the service again specifically for one province in one country. It would be the American equivalent of Louisiana declaring Louisianan Creole as an official language and demanding GW adapt everything for that language.
On top of that, there's some weird clauses in the law, that (the way it's written) allows for Quebec authorities to demand, at any time, user databases among other confidential business information, and can impose financial penalties if they aren't given the information within a short time frame.
Time will tell if GW bothers to separate it by region and just block Quebec, but I doubt they'll spend the resources.
RIP
I'm only in 40k for the Lore so far, but you guys are the windows into this hobby for me. ❤
If you want to actually play without investing 4 figures, you can use Wahapedia, Tabletop Simulator w/mods, and a voice chat. Something like 20 dollars-ish.
Major respect to Mrs Brad for her efforts with this task!
As a non-tech savvy player I struggle to navigate these and do miss a good codex 👍👍👍
Don't forget that you used to be able to buy battlescribe for 5 dollars and it was supposed to be forever and now it doesn't matter.
I'm still salty about that and refuse to use it because FU for breaking those promises...
I'm with Eric on this one. If there was a dragon theme I would absolutely choose the dragon theme.
I know Waha isn't dead, they recently updated the Kill Team tab with the newer teams. Took them a while but sure enough, they got there. I'm willing to bet they're waiting for the first Codexes to drop since Index stuff is free. Sure, it's quite annoying to constantly be swapping between pdfs to know your stuff, but without paywalls involved at least it's manageable.
So yeah, expecting Waha to be updated when Codex Space Boy Scouts and Space Bugs drop... Allegedly.
by the time they are fully updated on 10th and KT, 11th and KT "3" will be out
A point worth mentioning for Rosterizer is you do need to learn it if you want to play on TableTop Simulator, as the scripting for the models only works with Rosterizer now iirc
We used BattleScribe for TTS just two weeks ago and NewRecruit added YellowScribe support last week based off their discord announcements. This may have been true for the start of the edition before the BSData dev team got 10th working.
Or you can just be like me and manually assemble your lists on there.
Idk about everyone else but I tend to print my lists to avoid having to search through the apps to look stuff up.
Battlescribe was also built for printing lists. Rendering it on a phone is basically the same HTML render that the PC runs.
Wahapedia is alive. He's just not in a hurry, currently updating Warcry, Killteam and some other stuff.
Sorry you found it so frustrating to use. It IS beta software after all. The UI is made to be able to develop against and we'll be refactoring it once we're able to.
Accounts are required at this point partly because we store data on a server-offline mode is coming-and partly because it's a beta test so we need to be able to analyze how people are using it.
Editing wargear is a bit of a pain, not due to issues with the app but due to some oddness with how certain weapons have to work and rather than special-case the weird ones, we standardized the behavior for the test data. If the community decides that a different approach would be preferable, they have the ability to make those changes, as our data is democratized.
It's a promising start so far! Excited to see where it goes.
After the most recent update (as of posting this), Rosterizer is far and away my favorite list builder, loading times have been VASTLY improved since the posting of this video, and the way information is organized is something I really like too. Great job improving, guys!
@@comradedogma4957 That's fantastic to hear! Look forward to our next beta user survey so you can weigh in on what else can be improved... :)
Brand new to the hobby, been binging these pods while I work. Love what you guys are putting out, keep it up!
The settings to fix New Recruit's weird export colors are in the "Background" section. You would think it's the "White Background" checkbox in the "Text Export" section. You would be wrong. You're going to want to pick something in a nice medium grey or thereabout (I did 175/175/175) for the background color and then turn transparency on the image all the way down. This will let you use the theme in a quasi dark mode, but will "export pretty" with nice black text on muted grey background.
I am today years old when I learned you can duplicate models in battlescribe. To dup a unit you right click and have the option to duplicate, but to dup a model you have to select a model and then use the little copy symbol button on the second bar from the top in the middle... next to the formatting buttons. As a person who was very tired of painstakingly equipping each model in Deathwatch armies with the same loadout, I think the ability to mass copy models in Rosterizer with one input was my favorite part of Rosterizer.
I will say though, Rosterizer is still my favorite at the moment as their yellowscribe output doesn't break like BS (yes this includes the most recent BS update, it still breaks much of the yellowscribe script, and it'll ask you to select models for the guns of some units). They also have a very active data authors, I remember posting on BS's github (following their rules) and pointing out a flaw, then getting told it'll get fixed in the next BS update which was with the next codex release at the time so a few weeks later (which would apply to New Recruit as well). I posted a problem with a Rosterizer manifest and it was fixed in only a few hours.
I don't know what it is but every single time Brad says "19-dickity-two", I laugh.
Watching the editor navigate Rosterizer is a delight. With all the others, I can tell they're showing things off, they're clicking buttons and making examples out of stuff, they know what to do and where to go. With Rosterizer, I can almost tell just by the way the mouse moves and how they keep selecting the same stuff over and over (at least it looks like that) that they are legitimately just trying to understand what they're doing. It's a bad look, but it's very charming for the editor and I appreciate their efforts.
It is so, so funny that Eric found the Dragon theme on New Recruit and immediately got super aggressive about how he _insisted_ on using the Dragon theme. When I was listening to the audio version I did check New Recruit on my mobile browser just to see, and the Dragon theme does look cool, but also on mobile the image is much smaller and it just repeats so it has a strong Angelfire "welcome to my website, please sign my guestbook, here's a cool picture I found on Google that I tiled for the background" energy, which I _kind of_ love.
It looks like Export Pretty does not use the font color of your chosen theme, it is always default black. I just checked on the dark theme and it does the same thing, then I switched it back to classic and it looks fine. They need to give you an option to change the font color on Export Pretty or at least switch it to white when you have a dark theme selected, like Dark or Dragon. You can see on the theme "Ghost" it uses grey rather than black, so the text is _visible_ but difficult to make out. That's an annoying problem because I like Export Pretty but I also really want to use the Dark theme. It seems like this should be an easy fix, but I don't know shit about that. The options they give you for customization are _great._
But overall I really like New Recruit and I'm so glad you guys did a video on this topic to introduce me to it! That said, never forget about basic stuff like Google Sheets, Excel, or just a pad and paper. They're minimalist and require you to do all the work yourself, but they also allow full customization of how you want to lay out your notes.
Damn those are some good observations and solid notes.
Just wanted to say this 'allegedly' was one of my favourite episodes so far
One thing to note with New Recruit is that it is the premier list builder and tournament organization app for the 9th Age and that team works very closely with the 9th Age community. They are great guys.
New Recruit has an app now 10 months later
LOL I love the editor's notes in the videos. Keep up the good work!
Thank you for bringing New Recruit to my attention. I've been getting back into 40k and Battle scribe and the official app were the only ones I knew.
I feel like they expected you to print out your list or carry your data cards but never use both on the app
they don't make it easy to use during game to sell data cards
If nobody else has already mentioned it: wahapedia has a discord with news, etc in english
I'm getting back into Warhammer after about a 25 year break, this is massively helpful~
Newrecruit works decently well, it has been the app of choice for the 9th age community for years now. The added in tournament support is a nice touch. There used to be a phone app, but support was stopped. I am wondering if the dev can add support for a phone app if they gain a larger user base (thinking of funding the app).
Berilio earning his pay, allegedly.
It would be cool to see you guys do a comparison between the Warhammer army builder and the OnePageRules Army Forge
Rosterizer takes a bit to get used to but once you do it is so nice. Its has an updated UI since this episode has launched.
Great episode, thanks guys. I’m a KT player but was curious to dabble in 40k proper, so will be taking a look at new recruit soon. Thank you!
KTDash is a great list builder for Kill Team. Highly recommend!
Thank you!!! Will take a look ❤️
Hey, thank you so much for doing this episode!! I was agonizing over going back to battlescribe too, and had not heard of New Recruit before, already love it.
I have used the 40k Official app extensively since 10th started and the app has not crashed once.
Same
Eric and I had the same experience, but Berilio managed to crash it on his phone in a few hours of recording footage on it. I'm going to guess it's an issue that will be phone dependent. (He also managed to blue screen his computer while installing BlueStacks for his first attempt at recording footage, so he had a GREAT time this episode.)
@@thepoorhammerpodcast for sure seems like a phone to phone thing, for a new player the official 40k app is definitely the supreme for newer players who need specific wording. Furthermore, I play Sister's of Battle and Battlescribe does not work properly when selecting war gear for my Battle Sisters and is dead to me.
It's not GW's fault (this time) that Warhammer+ isn't available in Canada. They just have a ridiculous law that requires streaming services, which Warhammer+ technically is, to have 'Canadian content'.
The app is what finally made me jump in being able to figure out what and army looks like for my faction. The army builder basically turned into a shopping list
I’m 100% the same. I would even make two versions of each list - one representing all the models I already had, and one ‘full potential’ 2000/3000 point list to work towards.
I miss Army Builder. That is when I last played.
Thanks for showing off New Recruit, it's pretty much precisely what I was hoping to find by watching this!
Omg this video is great. I like how you had your wife test these apps. I also love your guys banter between each other
Did you look at *Lone Wolf Army Builder* ??
Great breakdowns and good banter as always, gentlemen! Thank you for your time, and thanks for introducing some of us to some other options we wouldn’t know about otherwise!
6 dollars nah I'll be saving me 6 dollars
All these list building apps just make me think how useful it was for me to learn how to make lists with pen and paper. You get really good at reading the codex, and thus understanding your rules better, when you have to re-read pages several times. You also just become damn near encyclopedic with your knowledge because, again, you've read the damn book repeatedly.
When I downloaded the official app, I remember seeing a "this will be free **for a limited time only**" and my first thought was "Yeah, that's on-brand for GW."
oh for the days of LoneWolf Army Builder. I always loved that program. (edit) This program allowed attachments in 5th ed, GW screwing over every developer in those years made us lose a lot of talent in this space.
I've been using the Google sheets format and just clipping the data sheets from the free Warhammer Community downloads and then highlighting the rules and wargear that are in effect. It can get quite ugly at times and scrolling on my phone can get annoying but the results have been phenomenal. And I have the strategems right there!
Found the podcast a couple months ago and first time commenter I really liked this episode. I myself have never played a 40K game, more into the lore myself, but as a suggestion for maybe a followup episode it would be fun and interesting of you guys doing a guide with the New Recruit Builder of how you should compose a 40K army. I think it could help potential new players and advertise that Builder for existing players!
Comic Sans is actually a great option. It's designed in a way that makes it easy to read even when people have problems which make reading harder such as dyslexia
This is amazing thank you so much for all your wife's suffering & always appreciate the episodes
Battlescribe is cool and all, but you guys are completely right about the keywords. 30k has a whole manifesto below each army list, it's honestly scary
I find it hilarious the death guard army name was "Stinky" as its exactly what I used to play around with the factions armies. I'm glad im not the only one bad at naming things lol
Thanks for that. Really enjoyed the conversation you had
I'm just gonna do what I did when I was a kid and it was 4th Edition 40k... gonna write everything out on a notepad and flip pages during tabletop time.
I've noticed that New Recruit's "Export List (Pretty)" option only breaks with darker and dragon themes because of browser settings or plugins auto applying a dark mode to new tabs. Turning off my browser addon for that specific tab fixed the pretty PDFs for me. Hope this helps!
You gents are doing the God-Emperor’s work.
This is perfect, I was planning on building something with a friend... It should set a good bar of usability
Was just looking up info about Army Building, vid couldn't have released at a better time lol.
I use samsung notes, the GW feild guide, and google, so thanks for the advise on what i can use as an actual listbuilder
At first, I definitely was not a big fan of Rosterizer, but I've come full circle on it. Once you get past the the admittedly obtuse interface, it's one of the fastest, easiest builders to use. The fact that all the strats are just there in plain text is really nice, too.
Thanks for this, much appreciated. Having a look at New Recruit now - my personal preference is for hard copy over flicking back and forth between screens, and this looks promising 🤘
awesome video as a new joiner to the hobby!
thanks a lot for including your wife for a newcomers perspective!
If you made multiple lists in the last version of the 40K app and you didnt delete them. You can just keep them and edit those lists. So now I have like 10 lists I can edit and use them 100% free.
I started using Sheets after the WertStammer army builder was ceased-and-desist in the middle of 8th
My UI class has a 12 week group project that requires using databases to make an app, so this video has given me the idea to make an army builder app. Maybe, if I can convince other people in a group to do it LOL
From what I can tell about New Recruit, lists are cookie based when you're not a registered user and probably server based when you're signed in as it downloads lists when you sign in from a new device or browser. Chances are lists aren't too data intensive (maybe a few kilobytes per list at most) but at the same time I can't see what's actually going on in the backend.
Glad you brought it up though, because as a Canadian this is probably going to be my go to option now that GW won't even take my money to use their app and I really don't like Battlescribe.
Thanks for this, as a Canadian I have been looking for new options.
I have opened up New Recruit for the first time - someone there watches or listens to you guys, alegedly. A lot of the things you mentioned have been fixed.
As a Canadian it’s nice to imagine that if GW never concedes to sell the app w/o the streaming service, there will still be an option
I listern to you guys to feel happy that I play "one page rules" a practically free to play game that GIVES you access to a army builder they say is beta that is better then anything you've shown today. Thank you
Me, a new player: Why tf does GW think they can get away with charging to make an army list?
Me halfway through this video: Ohhhh... everything else sucks...
For battlescribe you can view individual units and the keywords only important to them by hitting ... next to said units name
I was happy to see New Recruit was supporting Boarding Patrol, only to realize it doesn't seem to use the Boarding Actions mustering rules.
Still can’t believe they are charging a monthly fee to make the game playable
An army builder isn't even that necessary anymore, since they gutted army building you just need to add like 10 numbers and make a brief note on loadout
We used to do it with pen, paper, and elementary school math
@@Kantohammerit would also take hours and almost always be wrong.
Unfortunately, if every gaming company could charge you monthly for their game, they would do it in a heartbeat. GW wants you to pay monthly for access to your codexes and army builder, Wizards wants you to pay monthly for your DnD and Magic stuff, modern gaming is all about getting a free to play game out there and then hitting the battle pass button; the idea of players having to pay you every month for your game rather than buying in with one lump sum is so appealing because it's potentially infinite money, especially if those players mean to cancel their subs but just keep forgetting to do so.
@@StarkMaximum no other company in this market do so... INFINITY IS FREE, MALIFAUX IS FREE, ONE PAGE RULES IS FREE... And are better...
Those alternatives look pretty fun. Did not know BattleScribe and the 40K devs are separate, but it makes sense. New recruit looks great, even in comic sans. XD. Great vid guys!
Just bring 7 Hive Tyrants or something and don’t bother with different rules of your army
Wait…
So last thoughts, as of now, the rules half of the 40k app is still free, the biggest litmus test for me is going to be the release of the new Space Marine Codex. My understanding was that the Codexs were going to shift more towards fluff and "DLC" type stuff. They already previewed some pretty in-depth looking rules, so hopefully rules will be updated for free and just the builder is behind the paywal like it is now. I won't hold my breath but that'd be a better outcome
Seeing the battlescribe payment screen in reais caught me flatfooted, I had forgotten your editor was a fellow brazillian xD
New Poorhammer Podcast and I still have the time to listen to it before work? Hell yeah!
I am very new to the hobby and I picked up a Warhammer+ sub alongisde the Leviathan box in no small part because I assumed that would be key to keeping access to the app.
RIP.
And that's how they get you.
Just wanted to send a thanks over for making me aware of New Recruit. Its a great little browser based thing. and I actually prefer there PDF formate.
basically
New Recruit with an offline available download of your list and fixing the counting bug would be basically perfect
Thank you guys for making this vid. I'm going to try out New Recruit (which I had not heard of previously).
RIP the Warhammer 40k List Builder. It was the best 40k builder ever made and GW forced them to close.
btw Wahapedia will update to 10th in Autumn
As others have said New Recruit has an app now... but it can also dump to cache or something similar so once you click it then it'll work offline, but no version updates until you connect online again
Fun fact, I am the one that started the trend of making google sheets for 10th edition.
Glad to see it took of as an idea
New Recruit is my personal use one, I love it because it has everything I need besides Strategems. I get my characters, their abilities, and keywords all on their datasheet in the app. It's awesome.
New 40k player here and new Kill team player. I was absolutely baffled by the lack of rules and list building available. I bought the phobos kill team box and the core book hoping rules would be in there, I also searched their website and there are 0 instructions on how to build a kill team list. I eventually had to ask on reddit and found out wahapedia was the best place to go as no official info available other than in the starter box or buying yet another £30 book (the book from starter boxes).
Absolutely horrendous entry to the hobby when I dropped £100 just for two kill teams and the rule book already. They really need a free list building guide/tool available with all the data sheets in one place, as I am not paying monthly to use their app to do it
hi, I am Brazilian and I couldn't notice that the price at 31:32 is "R$" Are any of you Brazilian or Brazilian-related?
Berilio, our editor. See the Q&A episode a couple weeks ago for details.
Thank you for this informative podcast. I've never paid for rules before and I don't plan to in the future.