4080 vs 4080 Super vs 4090: The Ultimate Comparison! RT, DLSS, DLSS 3 FG, UE5, Newest Games!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 18 พ.ค. 2024
- In this RTX 4080 Super review we mostly focus on the question of whether it is worth buying a 4090 instead of a 4080 Super. We also compare it to the 4080 to establish that the Super variant gives a basically identical gaming experience.
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Chapters:
0:00 The 4080 Super is just a $200 price cut on the 4080
0:25 Run to run variance makes the tiny difference hard to even distinguish
1:48 CPU/Engine/Traversal Stutter related issues make it even harder
2:50 There was room for a product between the 4080 and the 4090, but we didn't get it
3:56 Alan Wake 2 1440p High
4:22 Alan Wake 2 4K High
4:50 Alan Wake 2 4K High DLSS Q
5:17 Alan Wake 2 1080p RT High
5:44 Alan Wake 2 1440p RT High DLSS Q
6:11 Alan Wake 2 1440p RT High DLSS3 Q FG
6:38 Alan Wake 2 4K RT High DLSS P
7:06 Alan Wake 2 4K RT High DLSS3 P FG
7:33 Cyberpunk 2077 1080p RT Overdrive
8:00 Cyberpunk 2077 1440p RT Overdrive DLSS Q
8:27 Cyberpunk 2077 1440p RT Overdrive DLSS3 Q FG
8:54 Cyberpunk 2077 4K RT Overdrive DLSS P
9:22 Cyberpunk 2077 4K RT Overdrive DLSS 3 P FG
9:49 Avatar 1080p Ultra
10:16 Avatar 1440p Ultra
10:43 Avatar 4K Ultra
11:10 Avatar 4K Ultra DLSS Q
11:38 Avatar 4K High
12:05 Avatar 4K High DLSS Q
12:32 Lords of the Fallen 1080p Ultra
13:00 Lords of the Fallen 1440p Ultra
13:27 Lords of the Fallen 1440p Ultra DLSS Q
13:54 Lords of the Fallen 4K Ultra
14:21 Lords of the Fallen 4K Ultra DLSS Q
14:48 Starfield 1080p Ultra
15:15 Starfield 1440p Ultra
15:42 Starfield 1440p Ultra DLSS Q
16:10 Starfield 1440p Ultra DLSS3 Q FG
16:37 Starfield 4K Ultra
17:04 Starfield 4K Ultra DLSS Q
17:31 Starfield 4K Ultra DLSS3 Q FG
17:58 Baldur's Gate 3 1440p Ultra
18:26 Baldur's Gate 3 4K Ultra
18:53 Call of Duty MW3 1080p Basic
19:20 Call of Duty MW3 1440p Basic
19:47 Call of Duty MW3 4K Basic
20:14 Resident Evil 4 Remake 1440p Max
20:41 Resident Evil 4 Remake 4K Max
21:08 Final Thoughts - วิทยาศาสตร์และเทคโนโลยี
Funny thing ... in majority countries ... 4080 SUPER actually didn't get ANY price cut :D
Then they wont still wont sell.
That's sculpers and AIB's
so far, same price as 4080, and actual prices are 1400$ or higher.
@@mikelay5360 yes, stores and nvidia are the scalpers
Pretty sure America is the only country that got the price cut.... Nvidia isnt the smartest
1 4080 super + 1 4070 super = 1 4090 pricewise. Now that's insane
And that's if the 4090 was actually available at its MSRP
In my country, 1 Rtx 4080 super rog strix = 1 rtx 4090 zotac
@@danielowentech Here in the UK there are models available for MSRP.
I can purchase one in Ontario Canada Computers store today at $2499 Cdn if I’m willing to drive to that store…no online sales
@@wwk279 4080 1050€, 4090 1850€ cheapest i found in Germany. So no, the 4090 is not worth it at all for 30% more performance if it costs 80% more.
Thanks for the short resume at the start, just wanted to know if the 4080s was worth it and you're a real one for not wasting ppls time. Much love to you ❤️
Typically there is no commentary in these types of videos. I really appreciate your analysis throughout and final thoughts at the end!
Even if some of the info is not relevant to me, I almost always watch/listen to all your videos because you clearly enjoy this stuff. It’s refreshing. Thank you.
Appreciate your work man!
They should've called it RTX 4080 CHEAPER
nice one lol
4080 Super Discount
Not cheape tho in EU lol
except its not cheaper at all.
@@Timmeh_The_tyrant It was in the US at least, if you managed to get it on the first day. What I said was going to happen (that a lot of people shot down) did end up happening though.
Most of the early stock was gobbled up, and instead of it lowering the prices of the non Super, it just raised the cost of the Super to be the same. It's basically the same card anyway though.
"A COMMANDING 4 percent advantage" That shit cracked me up.
he states that in multiple vids. Not in this one. But well he is not AI at least
@@MicaelAzevedoare you ok?
Thanks for the video! Could you please make on comparing the 4080 (super) with the 4070ti super?
This reminds me a lot about the performance difference between then 3080 10GB and 3080 12GB! Except there, Nvidia didn't have the nerve to call it a "Super" 😂
And it was actually more Super than this, since you got 20% more VRAM even if the raw performance bump was only like 5%.
@@danielowentech You''re doing God's work with these comparisons. Seeing everything, I'm holding strong until the 6090. Initially, I was thinking of bulding a desktop system back in 2022. However, seeing the prices(especially here in EU) I just searched for the best deal on a high performance laptop as for my line of work it's already more than enough performance. I still wanted it to run some Unreal Engine and rendering as a beginner hobby and the 3080ti laptop model does all that. I will probably do the same when the 5000 series will come out and buy a 5090 laptop. I feel like by the time the 6090 comes out, I will definetly get the performance boost I am expecting from a high end desktop system and probably ride that until the ground. Unless who knows what kind of local AI model may emerge and it will make sense to actually upgrade your home system.
Awesome review Daniel 🤗, the 4090 is indeed faster, but also uses 100watt or more compared to both 4080's 🤔
Undervolting can fix that issue @@ButeaRegalis
I have the 3080 12GB and the extra 2GB VRAM made all the difference in the world
This was really interesting comparison. Thank you for this video.
I"m still glad I didn't listen to most youtubers and bought the RTX 4090 when it came out.
Massive W
It was the best value card in the series at the time. If you could afford it.
@@QuentinStephens Yeah, normally I do not buy such expensive hardware. But I put money aside every year, and due to covid was not really able/willing to upgrade my GTX 1080. Now I will keep this RTX 4090 for a long time (I got on a 1440P OLED). It's all about cost/year for me.
I bought a 7900xtx 6 months ago and I don't regret a thing
Yup I went all out with an all white build with the gigabyte aero oc 4090/ 7800x3d/ 64 gigs of ddr5 ram in the white phanteks nv7 case. The pc is a beast and I keep it clean.
Just did the FSR frame gen mod on some games yesterday for my 3080 ti. Works way better than I expected. Hopefully I'll be good until the 6000 series releases now.
never frame-gen
@@proprietarycurez8463 why not?
does it affect details on my 3060ti, cyberpunk mid-high quality settings with dlss went from 80 to 130 fps@@proprietarycurez8463
I tried on my bro's 7900 XTX, modding it in is definitely worse, but not always awful experience. If it works for you glad. Hope you cards lasts awhile. :)
The ultimate test, thx ❤
Great video man! Thanks very much
How come your collumns with the stats are different for the 4080 as opposed to the other two? I didn't know you could switch columns. I've never used that software because it was hard to configure and I got irritated so I'm using that Geforce Experience thing. What were we talking about?
Should I send my 4080 Super brought for MSRP back and wait for the "4080 Ti super duper turbo mega epic monster master XXXXv3" to maybe come out later
Awesome review, thx.
Well the 4090 drives my 3440x1440 ultrawide monitor at 165hz perfectly, plus it kinda makes it futureproof a bit. Yes I spent "too much" but its so pleasant playing at max fps most of the time. 😀
Thanks for the Reviews, Daniel! One thing of note also is that it seems the 4090 often, if not most of the time, is using 100 Watts more power.
no shit!?!?!?!?!? its not like its a quite alot more powerful gpu bruv...... pounds out 20-30+ fps more in all games than a 4080 super and consumes what? 80-100w more? thats literally nothing for the performance difference there is and its on par with the powerdraw of a regular 3090.
so a pretty irrelevant thing to point out.
@@user-fi5hc9um6qr u ok bruv?
Thanks for another educational video
This is excellent as the 4080 series is my gpu of choice for my new rig. Might as well get the super version, as its cheaper. Appreciate the time and effort you put into your videos, it pays off.
Although I had to research my local GPU prices, this video sheds some light on the two variants' differences (or lack thereof). Luckily for me, the regular 4080 does get a price cut with the super now occupying its original price range.
I would love to see a benchmark comparison on the higher end GPUs on a widescreen (21x9 or more) monitor - I have to believe that the FPS stats would be different and that widescreens require more resources! Thanks for the really straight forward and down to earth information!
it depends on the resolution. 3440x1440 requires way less work than 3840x2160, but more than 2560x1440. 4k / 5k widescreens even more taxing than 4k 2160. 4k is like 4x 1080p in terms of pixels, 4x the work, you'll often see 1/4th the fps in 4k compared to 1080p for a given GPU / graphics settings setup. other factors like memory, vram, and cpu limits will shift that around, but roughly it tends to work out that way in my experience.
If memory serves you are a maths teacher. When calculating the performance increases between models I've always taken the concomitant price increases to be non-linear - that is, the higher the model the higher the uplift. You might find it interesting to fit curves over each range and see how those curves change over different GPU series.
Exponential price increases.
@@GeneralS1mba Looking at launch prices, you're quite near!
If you take the 4070 as base point, the 4060 is about half, the 4080 was about double, and the 4090 about triple.
If you take the 3070 as a base point, the 3060 was about 2/3, the 3080 about 4/3, and the 3090 about triple.
If you take the 2070 as a base point, the 2060 was about 2/3, the 2080 4/3 and the 2080 Ti about double. (The RTX Titan appeared very late and was 5x.)
But Daniel is a far better mathematician than me so he might produce some very interesting results.
We dont grade gpus on a curve.
@@proprietarycurez8463 but their prices do
Coming from a EVGA 3080 TI to a 4080 Super FE, I’m happy with it :) I love the all blacked out design too.
Love you video bros, i have question how about 1440p at 21:9 ratio, considering for the new monster hunter game, 4080s versus 4090, thoughts?
It's ideal I use that resolution
If you want to play in 4k with max details 4090. All resolutions below 4k 4080super or less.
Random thought, gimped memory bus limits the maximum utilisation of the cuda cores so despite the S variant having more they can't be utilised this meaning the performance is around the same?
The silicon quality that affects the automatic boost frequency of each core, can make more difference when GPU specs are so close.
And yes, there NEEDS to be a 4080 Ti. With 20 GB please. To finally bridge that gap between the 80 cards and the 4090. With AD102 chip of course.
For sure. Nvidia has those yields building up but they don't want to give us too good of a producy quickly because they want to keep selling $2k 4090s. Maybe we will see the 80ti and 90ti at the same time.
Have you seen how the 4070 ti super was not as performant as ppl thought going from 192bit to 256bit? This is due to the large cache of course and what I would say is a 4080 ti 16gb would still be able to achieve +20% performance over the 4080 super because the bus width has far less of an impact on performance as with previous gens. I wouldn't be surprised with a 4080ti still has 16gb to enable that glorious planned obsolescence so Nvidia can sell those same people a 5080 with more VRAM.
@@christophermullins7163 There are at least rumors for a 4090 Ti and/or Super and even a Ada Titan out there right now.
But still NOTHING about a 4080 Ti.
I found that custom vram mod is the best way to make Nvidia cards usable.
NVIDIA doesn’t have a 320 bit bus for ADA GPUs right now so it’s either 24gb or 16gb and you know they won’t step on the RTX 4090 toes so 20gb is out of the question
@@christophermullins7163 The PS5 pro is rumored to have 16gb, just like the base one , and launch in about a year. Since most games are multiplatform, and PS5 pro might last 2 years, 16 gb should be ok for 3 years but not more. But if you want to enable ray tracing at high quality, you might have the horsepower but the extra detail might need 20 gb at 1440p.
You earned yourself a subscriber young man. My 4080 Super will arrive in 4 days
My 4080 super custom built PC arrives around the same time for me (Feb 8th). Its my first gaming PC, after being a lifelong console player since the nes generation. So im Super pumped! (No pun intended!)
@@royrogers495once u go to pc u can never go back to consoles
Quick update So I returned the 4080 for the 4090, been good ever since.
@@iPhone15ProMaxTitaniummay I ask why? Was the 4080 not sufficient
@@royrogers495I’m looking to do the same, PS5 player here. How’s the 4080 super? Can you get stable FPS at 4k and what graphics settings?
Whats the OC potential of the 4080's? 4090's have huge OC potential which adds 10% performance without breaking a sweat. I can do round 220-250mhz core + 1500mhz on mem easy (even in RT heavy games like CP2077 max settings and avatar) which adds at least 10%+ performance in fps across most games.
The 4090 Is a 1440p card if you want to play max settings @ 144hz/fps+
Daniel what do you think a 4090 TI and 4080 TI on the horizon before the 5000 series? Both could be based on the 4090 Chip as further cut down version that the 4090 is and a 4090 TI as a fully unlocked chip
It isn´t the fully unlocked chip. It will have 72 MB L2 cache as the 4090. The fully unlocked chip is the a A100 with 96 MB L2 Cache on a hopper pcb, which costs thousands. I think the 4090 is the best value card of the ada lovelace architecture.And this will be, till the next architecture is released.
If you have the original 4080 don't feel bad the Supers have already beat the vanilla 4080 with high pricing MSRP is dead 💯
You can still find 4080 super at $1000 at newegg. So no 4080 owners who bought it for like $1400 should feel bad
@@adlibconstitution1609 Sold out they may say MSRP but none are available.
It has the same L2 Cache crossbar.
How could you? When in many games, they perform the same.
Been waiting to upgrade for a few years now, was originally looking at the 4080 but heard rumours of the 4080 S coming, decided to wait. I'm glad I did, I understand that's it's practically the exact same product but I managed to buy an MSI RTX 4080 S Gaming X Trio for £959 yesterday on Amazon. (it's now £1079) I'm actually really happy. I said I would get the 4080 if it was ever under £1000 and well, that's exactly what I just got! My MSI RTX 2080 Duke was an absolute champion though, beastly card that I got for £550, used on eBay only 6 months after launch. I'm sure I'll be very happy with my 4080 Super for many years to come :)))
I snagged a 4080 super at msrp and clock in around 65fps with DLSS on at 4k w/frame gen. Ultra quality. I am also running a Ryzen 9 7950x as well. Don’t know why your down 10 frames from what I’m seeing
Was curious, for your cyberpunk 2077 1080p ray tracing OD, there might be something wrong on your end, on my 3080ti w the preset I’m getting 76 avg fps. I was thinking about upgrading because I play 1080p with 240hz, and I want a smooth experience with the amazing story (all my other games my fps is fine) do you think with a 4080 super id get 200+ frames with frame gen, medium, and dlss?
No
You didn’t turn path tracing on. The fault is definitely not on Daniel’s end.
@@JeremiahBostwick ? The preset turns on the exact same thing as him
@@Mikerille Which preset? Pathtracing with ray reconstruction is not RT Overdrive.
no , go to 4090 , saying this , as a owner of 4090 with a i9 13900k, 32 gb 7200 mhz , or wait untiçl 50 rtx series .
I was wondering if it was worth jumping from a 4070ti to a 4090?
Pricing in Australia is based on performance you pay more if the card is faster. So all that happened is the super replaced the normal model at the same price. Because there performance is basically identical.
Two months ago everyone was saying to wait for the Super cards. Glad I didn't.
Waiting for tech is a fools game. Buy what you want when you want it.
@@MrDs7777 Bingo. The entire community will hve you in an idiotic paralysis waiting forever for that next thing that "just" around the corner.
When it comes to GPU's and console sure.. Doesn't apply to most other tech related things@@MrDs7777
@MrDs7777
I want a 5090 right now but I can't get it right now
You shoulda added some ultra wide benchmarks. This whole video has got me curious about it.
Something to think about with reguards to a potential 4080ti.. ADA architecture is designed with a massive cavhe which allows for maximum performance with less vram bandwidth. What this means is a theoretical cut sown ad102 4080ti with only 256bit(16gb) could still acheive a +15-20% over the 4080super. Do not put it past nvidia to do this to enable that juicy planned obsolescence on a flagship gpu. Hopefully they would do 20gb but the performance difference of 256 vs 320 bit is likely just a few % again because of that massive cache.
You are talking about junk ad102 dies 1 step away from the garbage bins, don't think there are enough of them for 4080ti to happen.
Why would they burn AD 102 dies on a 4080 variant when they can’t produce enough 4090’s??
@@MrDs7777 they wouldn't. I said if they did.. it might be 256 but instead of 320bit like the 3080
makes you wonder had nvidia NOT given the 4080 super the extra cuda cores (so a different SKU off the production line) could the 4080 super had been cut down in price even further, would be interesting to know how the 5% cua increase effected pricing
Same die.
You have the best - most detailed reviews - you are super!
I ended up buying a new Gigabyte 4080 Eagle (non OC) for $959 at Best Buy right before the 4080 Super launch. Glad I didn't wait for the launch 4080 Super since the tests I have seen does not make a relevant difference.
No gigabyte for me for the 4080 especially eagle. They don’t use ball bearings and it’s just the cheaper fans with the graphene nano lubricant I give it 2 years tops until it wears out and you’d need to rma the fans.
Never wait to buy tech, or else you are always waiting. Buy what you what when you want.
Nice video. Wish these were all priced reasonably. Maybe next gen.
nope
"Part" of the blame does go to Nvidia, a bit less to AMD. There's greed there yeah. But frankly a huge part of the pricing is based on inflation. We have 1970's level inflation... for several years. It really changes things. And it _will_ turn you into an old person who says "Back in my day, a bigmac cost $2". But really it's more to do with the federal reserve, and washington fiscal policy, than McDonalds.
Nvidia's pricing/performance stack is pretty sketchy though, yeah.
@@kathrynck Well... since the uplift we see on the 4080 versus the 3080 would make 4080 the 3080 successor, you can take the 3080 launch price and inflate it to today. RTX3080 MSRP was $699 in September 2020 (12GB Version was &799). Using inflation calculators to project that to 2024 (~17%) and add a little just because reasons... and the price of the 4080 actually belongs at $850 MSRP today. At most $900. This is not a case of "back in my day" LOL. Rip off city pure and simple economics. Ripoffvidia realized suckers would pay this kind of pricing when the crypto boom and scalping (which they assisted with) happened, they got used to a certain level of growth and guess what.... can't allow any retraction right! so pay up biches!
omg, it's another inflation professor. @@kathrynck
@@ChrisZukowski88 If you find "anything else" where you can compare 2020 price to 2024 price vs value at 1 to 1... lemme know.
The 4090 was really worth buying when it came out, now I think the 4070Ti S. Is probably the one to go for and wait for 5090 or the 60 series depending which way you want to go.
The ASUS STRIX version of the 4080 Super supposedly is the fastest of the available models right now, it has a potential overclock that can be reached with their tweak tool which improves the performance to +9% or so (compared to most models that don't go beyond +3% to +5%). Then again, the regular 4080 was already a nearly maxed out card, there's not that much more they could squeeze out of it. The "real" benefit is the price cut... at least on paper. It's not actually 200$ less everywhere, in fact right now it's still as expensive as the regulars, or more. At the moment, the best thing to do is to do the good ol' waiting game.
saw this vid last week , went to the shop and bought t gaming pc with a 4090 and a samsung neo9 57 inch . happy af with it .
My PC cost 2800 euro. 800 euro without the GPU
What parts did you use for that thang?
Never pay over 500 for a single part of the system
7800X3D, cheap B650, 32GB DDR5, 1TB SSD, PSU, case all that for
I think in the current stack the highest I would go for GPU for price to sense would be the 7800XT at $450-500. That's plenty of 1440p and I don't have a high refresh 4K monitor to make spending all that GPU money actually worthwhile. 4070 at around the same price is also like, not the worst thing ever. Everything else sucks above, and MOST of the options below also suck, especially from the current AMD and Nvidia offerings. Last gen on AMD was incredible bang for buck
@@GewelReal I got a like new 6950xt recently for $420. That is plenty of you're playing competitive games but obviously a tradeoff with the dlss and RT. I get 200+ fps at 2880p in games I usually play so my 5600x is the weakest length now by a long shot.
30% for a double the price "meh" just OC 4080 S 20% SLOW ER this GPU will be kick ass.
Well we can oc the 4090 as well, and the difference goes upto 40% with raytracing. I am not defending the current price of the 4090 though.
Also I don't think you are gonna get a double digit uplift just by overclocking the 4080 super.
@@dhaumya23gango75 you probably can. im getting like 6% boost by overclocking 4070 Ti. 4080 super might get bit more, 8% or so.
@@dhaumya23gango75 At least the 4080 Super connector wont melt lol.
Would love to see 7900 xtx with AQUA extreme bios in this comparison, that one is 15% faster than reference model
Just buy the ASRock Aqua. Or push the 15% in the driver (just don't melt your card)
Thank you.
That first 30 seconds just got you a sub
I was considering upgrading from my 3090 to the 4080 Super if it was closer between the 4080 and 4090. Guess I'll just wait for the 5080/5090
Do you even game?
@@CaiqueRafael-kg4by It is enough, but I have a 4k 240hz monitor. Even in something like CS2 the 3090 is getting around 150 fps at 4k with High/Ultra.
It's enough, but I could always use more FPS.
Absolutely not worth upgrading. The 3090 will last you for years, let alone skipping just a single generation.
I have a 4090. But if I had a 3090... no way spend into a 4000 series card for an upgrade.
Ray tracing is nice & all, but it ain't worth that kind of dough.
Granted, if you're making 6 figures, sure. It beats overspending on a car, etc.
always skip atleast 2 gens
Idk if I’m going to spend 1000$ on a gpu , I shouldn’t be using upscaling 1440p just to ray trace in some games , the finals runs fantastic and it’s unreal 5 .
Yh and still dropping below 60fps.😂
Why?
my 3090 with dlss and amd-frame gen
if only
FSR3 mod FTW!
I haven't gotten to try fsr3. Fortunately my racing games run 200+ fps at 2880p so not sure if it would help lmao
While pulling all that power.
@@DKTronics70 in USA with 8 hrs of gaming a week.. the difference of 100watts is around $1 a month.. devastatingly high costs to run a powerful GPU, huh?
What I notice is, that with the 4080 super the image seems to be tearing. Is this still a problem with todays graphics cards?
Not mines, I run it with a 4K curve monitor and not a single tear
~10:50 rtx3090 mentioned 👀☺
As an Aussie 🇦🇺 myself, I say, let the Super lineup rot on shelves here and save $100’s AUD on purchasing the non-Super models. With an average $300AUD price difference and often much more, purchasing the RTX4080 non-Super model and if necessary just overclock your GPU and get a bigger performance boost (than the 4080-Super) , is a no brainer if you’re after a new RTX 40-series GPU🥰💪👍
just got a 4080 on australian ebay for 1600 aud a week or so ago and sold my 3080 to a friend for cheap. not going to upgrade for another 2 generations so this will do me well
Great comparison thanks! Looking forward to getting my 4080S delivered tomorrow :)
But why? Some normal 4080's are cheaper right now and are the same in power.
@@Hexenkind1 nvidia needs reasons like this idiot to keep prices high. "but you all are still buying them"
@Hexenkind1 cause he's an idiot. You don't need to ask such questions for obvious answers.
Nice!
I upgraded from my Asus 3080 Tuf gaming to my Asus 4080 Super Pro Art series. I won't be buying any more graphic cards for several years. I'm happy where I'm at. 😊
Is 4080 super good enough or better wait for 5080? Anyone knows how much vram and power usage it will have?
also consider that AIB new MSRP for 4090s is $2k+ (though you may find a 4090 FE somewhere)
MSRP is 1,599 and it’s possible to buy for below that if you know what do do. $2k is retailer gouging due to tight supply.
The RTX 4080 SUPER seems to me to be a good choice (I even want to buy the ASUS version with NOCTUA fans, the quietest assembly out there). It's a bit more for the price of the old normal one and I don't want the power consumption of the 4090 for 20 fps more. Anyway, before buying, I hope to see the performance/consumption of the 5000 at the end of this year.
To anyone who has a 4090 and/or an oled screen: should I get a 4080 + an oled or a 4090 + an IPS display? Leaning towards 4080 and oled currently.
Going to a OLED screen is the biggest step in quality you can make if you already are on a 2070 super or higher. IMHO the quality difference between playing games on ultra settings vs medium is only noticeable when you clip and compare. While just starting up your PC and seeing your windows startup screen looks amazing on a OLED,
Can the RX7900XTX beat the RTX4080 in FPS at 1440p and 4K? Could an update from AMD boost its performance or that’s pretty much what you’re gonna get from its 24GB memory?
Memory does nothing for performance, if you dont run out. So if a game uses 10gb of vram (common right now) 24gb wont give u a single frame more if the gpu had 12gb. If the performance gets better, i dont know. No one will know and i would not bet that it does. The 7900xtx is faster in some games and slower in others, but they are about the same.
@@themadnes5413 "Memory does nothing for performance" until you hit the memory wall, massive slow downs or a clash to desktop.
It beats it all the time lmfao my 7900XTX shits all over these cards OC/UV 33000 in timespy. Daniel doesn't do a good job at showing the potential on AMD cards he does dumb shit like showing AFMF under 60 fps knowing it's not going to work but uses it as an example to show loss of quality when that doesn't happen at all when you're using it as intended. He also seems to always OC Nvidia cards when testing them against AMD stock.
@@UKKNGaming I’m torn between the RX7900XTX & the RTX4080 Super.
@rlpring7wait for the 7900 to dip in price in response to the 4080S, then buy it
I just got my 4090 FE edition for 1599.99 at Best Buy I was going to grab the 4080 super but I want the highest FPS possible at 4k for RPGs and Warzone
Shows different 1% lows, but the screen shows a scene in the benchmark run....?
75-82% of the performance of a 4090 for 55-62% (&1600 msrp- $1800 available now) of the price.
If you’re buying right now and you get 80% of the performance for 55% of the price this is a good option. If you can go with a 7900xtx then you will get up to 85% the performance for 55% of the price so that’s a good option to.
Gives you the important info right at the beginning ---> automatic like
Waited for the 4080 super before making a decision. It did not hurt that the whole china thing happened with the 4090. I just bought a 4090 asus tuf at "msrp". Great card, even if it is super expensive. (Coming from the original 3080 that I got lucky enough to get at actual msrp right when it released). Besides, it is not like the super is going for msrp anyway. And without real competition, who knows when/if it will come down in price.
still rocking my 980Ti I'll wait until the 5000 or 6000 series when GTA 6 comes out.
You didn't show the part picker for the 4080 Super at $1500 to $2000 to compare to the 4090 WHY? There was no price cut after they ran out of stock in the first hour at that price!
I wonder what the notebook 4090 Super will do considering it's a AD103 chip or a 4080 running at a lower wattage.
Nothing cuz it doesnt exist
@niebuhr6197 Not yet. Not sayig it absolutely will but historically for the 20's series Super class it did come out on notebook.
nVidia is using making pricing room for a 4080 TI which will be a cutdown version of the AD102 used in the 4090 (the ones that couldnt cut it). They'll release this once AMD does a refresh with a new card or pricing adjustment to their current lineup.
maybe well get better performance from the 4080s with future driver updates like the 2080s?
Does the 4080 super consume more power than the 4080 ?
it's a trend at this point. always skip the even numbered series gpus unless you aint got no choice or always want the best of the best
NVIDIA Does it again... based on other super gpus I expected 15% faster for 200$ less I was ready to believe and buy the gpu... Should have known better :(
It just moved from a gpu that was overpriced by 400$ to a gpu that is overpriced by 200$... amazing value
You shouldn't have expected that lol, just see the difference between the specs of the 4070 vs 4070 super and 4080 vs 4080 super. And from that you can could have deduced the 4080 super uplift vs the 4080 since the 4070 super has a +15-20% lead over the 4070.
Why would you expect the second fastest GPU on the market to get faster? Hell it’s amazing is got a $200 price drop.
Btw, isn't the bigger point about the 4080 Super the price drop anyway? I mean sure, it is not really "super" but the most important factor these days are price drops right?
Well IF the normal 4080's weren't basically at the same price right now and sometimes even cheaper then the super. But they are.
thats what he says multiple times lmao
the super is like 10% expensive than the 4080 in some countries
I think the best of these super cards is the 4070ti super, cause it got 16gb of vram compared to the 4070ti with 12gb - back in last June I decided for the 4070, cause 600 bucks for a 12gb vram card…okay, but not for one over 800€ - would the 4070ti super been around back then, I would have chosen it over the 4070
You can suggest Nvidia release a cut-down version of AD102 as 4080 Ti which consists of 13312 cores, 20GB VRAM, 320-bit memory bus, and 400W TDP.
Every 102 is being used in 4090. What sense does it make to sell them for less money?
@@MrDs7777I don't know the yield of fabricating the AD102 die. If Nvidia has accumulated enough quantity of defective AD102 dies that don't have enough (16384) cores to be used as the 4090, then it is possible to make a cut-down version. I am not sure if the yield by TSMC has been too good and there has not been enough quantity of defective AD102 dies accumulated for production of a cut-down version.
Wish they put more vram for longevity tho, big investment 1k for most.
Nice, my OC’d 3090 is basically running at 4080 fps in cyberpunk 2077
really sucks for people not finding the supers cheaper than the the old versions
i just got a 4080 super at approx 1000 american equivalent, and all the old 4080's were anywhere from 200-400$ more expensive than the supers
so things are going right where i live in canada anyways now.
no 1080p comparison?
I bought a 4090 specifically for generative AI stuff, 24gigs is a huge difference for AI work. If you're just using a GPU for gaming them the ram isn't so important, especially if you don't intend on gaming at 4k.
Anyone else feel like some devs are using DLSS as an excuse to not optimize properly?
They're likely leaving the gap between the 4080 and 4090 for the 4080 TI release
Wanted 4080 super no stock. Got 7900xtx and wait for 5080
Is the 4080 Super performance being locked down via software?
no it just sucks
It has 5% more of everything except: power and cache.
Based on undervolting a 4090, and the benching from that, I don't think the issue is power.
Looks like it's gimped on cache.
@@NeVErseeNMeLikEDis it doesn’t suck. It’s the second highest performance consumer gpu.
@@MrDs7777 and because of its ridiculous price it sucks
@@lifemocker85 If you can’t tell the difference between a product and a price you’re not very bright. Maybe that’s why you’re poor. Doesn’t Europe have education resources available to you? You should take advantage of them before you’re required to learn Russian.
The problem is a technical one Daniel, but I suspect you already know.
The 4080 and 4080S are both on AD103 die.
The 4090 is on AD102 die.
They already maxed out the silicon on AD103, so there wasn't really more room for the 4080S to grow.
Some gamers think nVidia should've moved 4080 Super to AD102, but that would've never happened. Mostly because the 4090 is a $2000 card and it's selling, why would nVidia want to cut down silicon and make a less expensive card when the more expensive one sells?
And that's just part of the problem, all the professional cards are also cut from AD102. And all of them regardless of if they're cut down dies or not sell for even more than the 4090.
The point I'm making is there is zero incentive for nVidia to sell a lower cost AD102 die product. They're already selling every AD102 card they make for $2000 or above. Gamers may hate that, but if they want a card with this die, then they're going to have to pay the price for it.
100% correct
what I don't get "new to pc" is how come others are getting frames at 480 -540 if the latest tech can't push those fps wth! are these gamers using?
I'll have to run the trailer park scene on my 4080 with a ram OC of 25gbps to see if it does anything.
The Energy consumtion of the 4090 is insane.
That's why you power limit it, my 4090 is still over powered at a 50-60% power limit at 250watts max.
no Crysis?
спасибо за подведение итогов в самом начале видео! за 15 секунд я получил больше чем практически у всех за пол часа. так делают единицы помимо вас
Curious why you didn't do any Cyberpunk 2077 benchmarks with just Ray Tracing at Ultra and instead only showed off Overdrive mode?
Not many people are going to be playing with RT Overdrive on with these cards and its basically just a tech demo.
Tech demo?...😂 Who pays a $1000 for a GPU and not want to use path tracing. That's literally one of the deciding factors in spending so much money. You have $500-600 cards able to play Normal ray tracing with upscalers and frame gen enabled, so paying double the price should make it a formality to play with path tracing.
Everyone is turning on PT with these cards dude lol. FG is like black magic.
the majority ppl play without ray tracing and yet he includes it in every single video making it long as fk
Probably because the other titles cover more normal-use scenarios pretty well. So the Cyberpunk RT-ultra is kind of a peek at what "could" happen, in the future, in terms of hardware demands (a dystopian future, hehe). It's kind of the new 'crysis', nobody can really run it. But everybody wants to bench on it.
Everyone with these cards are playing with full pathtracing. Ask me how I know.
Looks like Nvidia knew the limitation here lies elsewhere (cache?) other than the number of cores so they didn't feel the need to enable the full GPU die. However, for marketing reasons, they did for the "super" version. Also we have reputable reports already stating that the 4080 Super FE uses a less advanced PCB compared to the original 4080 FE, with the Super variant featuring less power phases and cheaper components (in order to keep costs low and profits high despite the price cut), that would mean less OC margin / reliability. All things considered, if you happen to find a 70-100 bucks cheaper 4080 maybe it's a better pick than a 4080 Super.
nerd
The 4070 Ti Super and 4080 Super look to be cache bottlenecked, yeah.
Also, both cards have no change to TDP (even though the 4070 Ti super even has 4 more gb of vram to power as well).
So it makes sense that the OC potential could be somewhat greater.
BUT... the RTX 4000 series, and RX 7900 series (as well as the 13k/14k and 7000X cpu's), are all bios-set to attempt a very aggressive overclock, all the time, out of the box. I undervolted a 7900X and 4090, and thermal-maxed both to 80C for paste longevity. And I'm still seeing 95% or more of their performance on both. The current-gen silicone is being pushed pretty hard into the redline on default settings. Harder than in the past anyway.
yep, today I tested a highly overclocked Asus TUF 4080 Super (curve set to 3105 MHz at 1075mV and +1500 VRAM) and got GPU Score of 31212 in TimeSpy, then I set a Suprim-X 4080 "original" to a lazy +165 core and +1300 VRAM and got a tad better result of 31492, even if it's within margin of error... where's the hardware advantage of the 4080 Super? is it the better PCB keeping clocks higher and more consistently on the original 4080?@@kathrynck
@kathrynck 4070ti super sure, 4080 super i doubt it. Remember the 4090 has 60% more cores but only 12% more cache altho I think that card is cache limited too lol.
@@Frozoken That's a good point. Actually I was thinking about what I posted and second guessing myself after the fact.
80super has 5.26% more cuda, tmu's, and rt cores... while the things which didn't change are cache, vram, vram bandwidth, and power.
Meanwhile the 4090 (arguably 28-45% greater perfomance) has 60% more cuda, tmu's and rt cores. 50% more vram, 40% more ram bandwidth, and 60% more power. But only 12% more L2 cache. So yeah, if there was a 'hard' chokepoint on the L2, that _should_ really be crippling the 4090, and it's not.
It could be that the 4090 is scaling with 2 factors, like the 12% L2 and a couple 60% items, and averaging out to +36% perf. But the stat which most obviously matches is vram bandwidth.
I dunno. L2 could be holding all the cards back "some". but it could be vram & ram bandwidth holding the 80Sup back. Or power.
I don't think it's power though. My 4090 "likes" an undervolt, and gained performance from undervolting (less thermal throttle). I gained about 5% bench over stock (TUF OC) with a fairly robust undervolt (it could pull up to 600w peak out of the box). Though I lost the gain and ended up slightly negative by thermal capping to 80C for "piece of mind" & "long term finances" hehe.
A lot of these 4080 cards (non FE) have a 4090 cooler on them (a massive brick). So I don't think there's any heat dissipation limit either.
The choke point has to be in the Vram amount, Vram bandwidth, or the L2 cache (or some combination thereof).
It may seem like a lot of fuss over a few percent, but if you're expecting 5.26% uplift, and you get like 1.5% uplift (consistently, across different cards, makers, and test benches)... that's less than 1/3 of the expectation, and points to a major bottleneck, which may be limiting the regular 4080's (or the whole 4000 lineup) much more than a few percent. A small discrepancy which points to a possible much larger issue.
I suppose there could be something dumb in drivers too (beyond MSI's problem I mean).
4070 model or a 3090ti would be a better value, then pick up a 4090 when the price gets below a thousand dollars (when the 5000 series are out).