went with a 4070ti super... it runs everything I throw at it just fine. can't justify spending 1800 bucks on a GPU. Money is worth more than pixels, to me.
100%. I went with a 4080 because the 4090 costs almost $1,000 USD more where I live. With framegen + DLSS, hoping to be able to use the card for atleast 8+ years on 1440p ultrawide.
@@TheSelleycopter Honestly, the 4080/7900XTX are the sweet spots right now, which is sad to say because they're both $900-$1000 cards. But, spending an extra $800+ on a 4090 for an extra 20%-30% depending on the title just isn't worth it, whatsoever.
@@TooBokoo 7900GRE / 7800XT are the sweet spot I think? Depending on what screen youre driving (refresh rate / resoultion). Both around £500-£550 and more than capable cards, unless you just HAVE to run games in 4K native. If I wanted anything "better" I'd fish around for a new or refurbed 6950XT for around the same price. No chance I'd ever pay over £600 for ANY graphics card. And I'm *old* so I got money in the bank! :D
stop apologizing for your kid's man you have a great channel and you have kids they are just being kids if people do not understand they should not be here this is the most informational channel I have found
Thought I'd give channel Members early access to this one since I'm done making it, but I don't want to post two videos on the main channel feed on the same day.
Just finished the video and I think he is spot on with today's comparison. My opinion (as a current 4090 owner) is that if you want the best of the best, wait for the 5090 at this point. If you bought the 4090 near launch (like I did) then it was 100% worth it for the enjoyment I got out of it for the entire generation.
Well said, I own 3080 ti and want to just get the best now. I will wait for the 5090 even though I want the 4090. It's better to wait at this point in time.
Its also use case. I mess around with AI image and video generation quite a bit and the 4090 is completely worth it. Depending on price I may even go up to the 5090 once we see what the VRAM limits are to it.
Upgraded to a 7900xtx from a 1070. Should be arriving today. Never had RT, so it's not as important to me, but the 7900gre and 78(9)00xt are at great prices 👌 (was even considering getting a 7700xt for a high-end 1080p and mid 1440p.
I wanted to go with a 4090, but the power connector issues turned me away. (The price as well) For what the best can get you, there should be zero issues. Period.
There are no issues, just plug the cable in properly and it will work fine . Don’t use those stupid angled adapters. I’ve had a PNY Verto and now the MSI Liquid Suprim X and they work fine. 18 months of heavy usage and overclocking with Flight Sim in VR on the Varjo Aero. Trust me the 4090 is getting pushed to the max and performing beautifully.
Calm down @daedalus6433… there are plenty of 4090s in existence that HAVEN’T set on fire. My 4090 Verto has never had a problem as well. Stop telling people to cope that actually have the product without issues.
@@briank3754There are still lots of cases with proof that cable was connected fine and it melted. No adapters. Still only 0.1% of users or less but loosing 2000e gpu sucks! At the 4000 series launch 4090 was the only good gpu imo for people like me with 3080. I skipped it though.
The 4070 Ti Super is such a good card. Great value in the Nvidia GPU stack. 67% of a 4090 for a bit less than 50% of the price (at least in the EU). At 1440p the 4070 Ti Super is killer.
Glad you made this comparison I've been thinking about downgrading my 4090 to something similar, built a media center for another room with a 4070 in it and the performance isn't bad at all even @ 4k I find there's always a combination of settings to make things look great!
I've got the 4070 Ti S in my rig which I use with a 1440p monitor and it easily handles everything I throw at it. The 4090 would have been serious overkill for me at least.
This is an interesting take I've never heard before , what made you do this and how did it turn into helping you game even more and without regret? I'm curious..
That happened to me with my 3090 for a while. But it only lasted a couple months. Then went back to gaming on my desktop again. I don’t mind gaming on my tablet though. The screen is larger than the Steam Deck and I get more FPS on my tablet VS the SD. I just stream my games from my PC to it with almost no latency.
I also have a 3090, been gaming less and less but the Deck gives me my most gaming enjoyment nowadays. I'm working from my desk the whole day, so I just don't want to spend even more time sitting there, being able to play something while moving even just one room away is really nice.
@@fawkkyutuu8851 I was very curious about the hype and I love trying new tech gadgets so I bought one to see what it's all about. It's hard to explain why I enjoy it so much more. Having such a small device that can play everything, everywhere, while only consuming 15W of power is just fascinating to me. Throwing thousands of dollars and 500+ watts of power at a game when you can experience it with a 500$ 15W device seems kinda... wasteful? Sometimes less is just more :) And also, being able to just press a button and immediately be back in the game that I left the day before is a game changer. I heard people call it the backlog killer and that absolutely rings true for me as well.
great video! i'm saving up like crazy till march, to get new gpu combo with 7800x3d 64gb ram! can't wait to see what the new gpu deliver in performance!
I run a 4070 and I love it for 1440p with max settings. I'm using a 32" curve screen @ 240hz and love how it's performing. But, I'm not real hard to please :)
19:43 interesting, 4090 has a massive 60% lead here and this is when it draws 430 watts of power. In all the other games that came before, I think it only drew like 350-380 watts tops, usually around the 330-350 watts range even. Usually the power limit of a 4090 is at 450 watts. Its weird, that it didnt get fully used in the other games, maybe they were all a little CPU limited, even at 4k? and Resident Evil is the first of those games that doesnt limit the CPU so it lets the 4090 to reach its full potential, thats why it is able to draw the 430 watts and come close to its 450 watts power limit? thats also the first benchmark where the difference is so big, its freaking 60% faster. very interesting, interesting indeed.
Made the switch to 4k, and got a 4090. Do love it. but it's definitely very "enthusiast tier", financially. I would recommend 95% of people should probably look more at a 4070 Ti Super & 1440p.
4090 is a legendary card - i use it with 144hz 4K monitor Gsync and its incredible. I got mine at launch and could not be happier but caveat being i use it for Rendering as well as gaming, depends on your application otherwise i would not reccomend it at the price range.
@@yazi2879 most games don’t even need ray tracing the only game I’ve use ray tracing for was Sword and Fairy 7 one of the most demanding games and without ray tracing the game doesn’t look as beauftiful
People said that about the 3060 ti couple years ago but now it’s useless because of 8 gb vram.. 4070 super will share the same fate at 1440p. 16 gb minimum is the way for 1440p
4070 Ti Super is very impressive considering its MSRP vs the hugely expensive 4090. Of course we'd all take the 4090 if cost was of no concern but since it is for most people, the 4070 Ti Super is a solid high performer.
Yes! In 2014 I bought a Dell 4K 32 inch monitor and since then I have been struggling to game at 4K with many sli builds. The RTX 4090 is the ONLY High-Refresh 4K gaming GPU
It really isn't. It ccouldn't even hold 60fps in every game in 4K max settings on it's day of release, let alone NOW! That's 60fps. Not "high refresh". If you want to drive an OLED 120Hz screen at max refresh + fps, you're gonna have to upscale from 1200p or so. In WHICH CASE, you ain't running at 4K, are ya? You're running at 1200p. Which is less than 1440p. 4090 is the fastest GPU available. But it ain't a 4K card. It's like 20-30% faster than the XTX, but costs 200% the price! XD I'd rather buy me AND my daughter a 7900XTX EACH, and get a McDonalds with the change.
I got my RTX 4090 at launch and it’s been a great gaming and production GPU. I think thou were going to need to see some real performance advancement by GPU manufacturers over the next couple generations to see the acclaimed graphical benefits touted by Nvidia in gaming.
I just like your videos before it even begins playing because I already know its going to be an informative, honest, well edited video thats factually based. Thank you for your time spent to make these videos, really good stuff. Cheers
I have a 7800X3D/4070 Ti Super and I've been experimenting with super resolution (4k render and downscale to 1440), with an eye on maybe picking up a 4k monitor. It lets me get a good idea what I have to do to maintain enough fps for a good experience and even downscaled there is a perceptible improvement in image quality. Looks like DLSS Quality is going to be my best hope. BUT, if I'm going to get a decent 32" OLED I need to be hitting 100 fps or so. This method lets me play with settings and see what I have to change to get desired results.
Settled for 4070 ti super. In my country the 4090 is double the price of 4080. 4070ti Super was on a very good deal that I couldn't pass away. Great video.
After 8 and 10 long years of service , both my 970 ti and my 1070 retired and now run in two office PC. They enjoy their easy life under the sun. A young 4070 super and a 7800 xt took their places. I hope they will last half that long to be a happy camper.
Nice video as always Daniel. Hope you kept the C1! (With its rolling scan motion clarity a "legendary" display to quote one of your fellow creators. Not a CRT, but versus blurry 60/120Hz without rolling scan absolutely night and day. Such a shame LG removed it from the C2 onwards. OLED and clear motion can exist. And is amazing.)
A friend of mine got a 4070 for his VR set & it was chugging due to not enough vram. He bought a 4090 and saw his vr needed about 13GB vram. He regrets the impulse buy despite it being super smooth.
I upgraded from a 3070 to a 4070 TI Super maybe two weeks ago. I’m trying to get another 2 years of life out of my current AM4 setup. I considered a 4090, but new ones don’t seem to exist anymore, they’re SO expensive, and I’m afraid I’d have to buy a new power supply to run it, anyway. The problem is that I went from a 1080p monitor to a 1440 ultra-wide a couple months ago (for work and desktop reasons, not gaming reasons) and I had to F around a lot with the monitor and video card and game quality settings, and was never really happy with any of the results. So I got the 4070 TI Super instead of building a new A5 setup. For Cyberpunk at Psycho, no ray tracing, it can handle 3440x1440 at good FPS no problem. However, the VRAM consumption was under 8GB, so I felt like I was wasting the additional 8GB of memory, which is why I chose the 4070 TI Super. Plus, I’d been playing with all Ray Tracing enabled (no path tracing) for the past two years, and I didn’t like going back to Psycho settings (which I acknowledge are really good, already.) I ended up settling for 36 FPS (I can’t make it to 48 FPS, which is the next option) V-Sync locked, path tracing enabled (so, all max settings), DLSS at quality, no frame generation. My GPU runs at 75% to 85% utilization, so the 36 FPS is really stable. VRAM consumption is about 13GB max, system RAM never goes above 16GB (I’ve got 32), although my CPU is working hard. If I’m driving really fast between different areas of Night City, the GPU and CPU seem to take turns being the limit. I could probably take the CPU out of the equation if I had a 5800X3D, but they are hard to come by. There are new 5700X3Ds available, and if I was upgrading from a 1600X or 3600X it’d be worth the money, but I’m running a 5600X and I’m not convinced that the performance benefits of a 5700X3D over the 5600X are worth the cost of a new same-generation processor. I can’t complain about my 4070 Ti Super. It’s working hard enough. But 3440x1440 is too much for it if I want 60 FPS and either full Ray Tracing or Ray Tracing without DLSS in Cyberpunk.
I have just bought a second hand 2080ti. It should be a decent upgrade over my GTX1080 and run PS5 ports (like TLOU1) without problems. At first I wanted to buy a new 4070tiSuper / 4080S now, but I would probably regret spending 800/1000$ a few months before the launch of a new generation. With the RTX2080ti the waiting for the RTX5000 series should be a bit easier.
@@decade_of_dust8810 The RTX2080ti just arrived but it's damaged. The GPU clock is stuck at 1350MHz and I cannot see the voltage settings. It seems that this 2080TI has been heavily mined and the voltage regulator has blown. I'm going to return this card and probably buy a new 4070ti Super.
@danielowentech I was always curious since you are a hardware guy to see your take on cloud gaming particularly Geforce Now. It is really impressive and I wanted to see you do a comparison with native vs cloud and the pros and cons. Bandwidth, Latency, Price vs investment in a gaming rig, etc. Maybe it will lead you into a rabbit whole of experimenting. Thanks love your content as always!!
@@1984Captive Remember the desolate landscape of the Corona hardware draught? I contemplated cutting my wrists with a spoon.... But "4090 worth it" is scraping the barrel. Less than 2% of the worlds PC gamers can even afford it, and it's price/performance is practically the worst of any GPU EVER in history! XD
@@groenevinger3893 Depends on your use case. Assuming price is no object - If you are into Raytracing, then a 4090 makes sense. If you just want a large amount of vram and don't care about Raytracing, a 7900XTX would make the most sense. Different strokes for different folks.
@@TheVanillatech I do I sold my old R9 Fury X for £250, half of when it was brand new and it was 5 years old and it's AIO had been replaced with an air cooler, it was bonkers!
@@groenevinger3893 I wouldn't spend over £500 on ANY GPU, and I have been a PC gamer for almost 30 years and I have a pretty nice savings account. But that ain't the point. The 7900XTX, despite being stupidly overpriced (like all todays GPUS) offers INIFINITELY better value to a GAMER (they are GAMING GPUS) than the 4090. It's not even remotely in the same universe.
Upgraded from a 2080ti to the 4070 ti super and in CP 2077 went from playing at 1600x900 getting mid-high 20 fps with RT overdrive to 80-90 fps thanks to frame generation. With frame gen off the response is not very good. It's a game changer and the card cost a bit more than half of what I paid for the 2080ti.
I like this video, very helpful. I have been agonizing over wait or buy, still rocking a 1080 but i upgraded everything else. Your video makes an excellent case for a 4070 ti super. That way i can enjoy it for a year or more while all the price wars and scalpers and such settles down, then make an informed decision. With new gpu releases yeah it's "coming soon" but good luck getting one at msrp unless you go FE version and camp the buy button, then who knows what early adopter issues you might run into. Imagine being the guy that bought a 4090 and it fries your computer!
I’m definitely an enthusiast, I started with a gtx 1070 in 2016 purchased purely for the Battlefield one release, I carried that warrior with me for 6 years with heavy overclocked usage. When the 30 series was teased and or leaked, the generational performance gains alone sold me immediately and I fought for my life to get a 3070 due to gpu production issues. I found a plastic sealed brand new 3070 on offer up for just about $30 higher than msrp (I honestly love these people who buy a couple, one for themselves and one to sell for a SMALL profit. I’m not talking about scalpers, I also got my og AirPods Pro after they sold out for exactly msrp on OfferUp). Two years later here I am with my 6 month old 4090, destroying anything I throw at it at 1440p 165hz, the raw horsepower is absolutely insane.
Great video for a 4070 ti super owner like myself! Good to know how it'll perform. 👌 Wanted to get a 4080 but my computer was limited with regard to card length, so had to go with a gigabyte 4070 ti super, which was the only card under 300 mm I could find. I love it. Cyberpunk in 4k RT overdrive w/ DLSS P + FG is a little rough I agree. I don't mind the latency too much as I'm playing with a controller. However there are quite a few artifacts. But if you can live without PT then it's all good. 4k high DLSS P with RT Ultra and no FG is above 60 with rare exceptions.
I have a 4070tis now, but I initially bought a non super. It is actually a couple inches longer than the super. So long that it didn't fit because I still have a case with a drive cage. Until I Dremel sawed a piece out of the cage.
4070 ti super owner here. I play 1440p and have no desire to game at 4k. Gaming is so enjoyable for n this card! I love it! Best purchase I ever made and I been building PCs since 2001.
I feel super-lucky to have gotten a 4090 at MSRP. The persistent markup on that card feels unearned, but I suppose that's what a lack of technical competition does.
To gain back some performance from Pathtracing without sacrificing too much on image quality you can adjust how many light bounces there are. from 2x2 (4), on Cyberpunk. With a mod.
I've got a RX 6800 and am looking for a 4070 ti s or 7900 xt performance for my next card but can't justify their prices. I paid $325 for my RX 6800 (on par with the 3070 ti but with 16gb vram) 1.5 years ago and very happy with the card and performance.
You're in no mans land really. Still have a capable card, but will have to spend a lot on a slight upgrade. Current market is terrible. 7800XT or 7900GRE would be the best choices, at around £510-£550. And sell your 6800. Or look for one of the last 6950XT's. I'm sure some will magically "appear" near to Black Friday. Or wait it out for a generation. You said you're happy with the card. Grab a 7900XTX next year when they bottom out in price! XD
came from a 2070 super to a 4070 ti super and I've been able to run everything at max settings well above 60fps (120+ fps on COD MW3) on my ultrawide 38" 1600p monitor. It's been amazing and I think the best value for most consumers trying to spend a little more if they care about having 16 VRAM for headroom potentially for games in the future. I just refuse to spend 1000+ let alone $2000 on a GPU.
Personally I don't have the money or desire to buy a super expensive gpu and the power connector is still a little sketchy. But it's a powerful thingamajig and will get the job done for anything and everything. I also don't want so much heat in my room that just sounds miserable.
Went from a 2070 super to a 4070 and it wasn't enough for ultrawide 1440p, and now I have a 7900xtx and that's actually the sweet spot I think for price to performance in my use case.
i was trying to go rog 4080 super and im looking it at 3.5k total and I’m thinking I could already run with 4090 at the price range and confirmed it by checking and configuring it by changing to different brand of gpu but its 4090. The only gpu that stables the price total was the 4070 ti super, even with rog brand, you’re only paying a premium of max 200 from all other 4070 ti super variants. whereas in 4080 super and 4090 from 4070 ti super you will be paying a premium of 400-500 & 1k to 1.2k respectively for rog. So 4070 ti super makes sense for high end build that’s in between slightly budget conscious and paying premium for aesthetics. disclaimer: these prices are from our country (PH)
Why the flagship XTX? You use a 4K screen? I'd think the 7900GRE or 7800XT (at like 60% of the price of the XTX) are the best around right now. XTX offers worse price/performance than those. Cost per frame ain't the greatest with the XTX! ;)
I have upgraded from 3060ti to 4080 (including 7800x3D) and this combo is just amazing for 1440p UW gaming. I can be either locked to 60fps and with 50-80% gpu usage it only needs 130-220w, or with unlocked fps you get 70-120 in most games with DLSS and with frame gen I’m almost locked to my refresh rate with is 165hz depends of the game ofc, I’m not talking about Alan or Cyberpunk with path tracing
brother! I am building a rig for my 1440 ultrawide to! What games do you play? And before ultra wide, where you using 2k? if so, what is the performance bump and necesity for the extra pixels that you noticed?
When 4090 is talking about its own price: "You would be better off using such money to replace the engine in your motorboat or to drop your shitty bike and buy a proper motorcycle"
If you're a DL researcher, then this comparison completely makes sense. Because all you care about is memory size per $. And for 30xx/40xx series there's actually only: - 3060 12 GB (good start) - 3080 12 GB (ok if cheaper than 4060 Ti 16 GB) - 4060 Ti 16 GB (ok for most models) - 4070 Ti Super (16 GB, much faster) - 3090 & 4090 (24 GB) Other GPUs are not worth it, as they don't provide any memory size improvements over models cheaper in their lineup.
Over a couple of decades of home building PCs I have found that solid mid to upper mid range sweet spot value for money GPUs are where its at for me. I have done several no limit 4090 builds for friends and clients and while testing the systems and breaking them in of course they are fantastic but I just can't justify splashing what I spend on an entire personal system for one component. Of course people are free to spend their hard earned (or Dad's money!) on whatever they wish.
There will always be a new card and the previous will always be considered “OBSOLETE” but I’ve been on my 3060 about 3 yrs and it’s played everything I’ve thrown at it of course with DLSS on some titles…..upgraded to the 4090 just recently and I’m happy and will use it for atleast 3-5 years and save my money during that time to get the 5000 series when the 6000 releases….i usually buy my cards a generation behind when the price drops….but the 4090 is such a powerful card I think I can squeeze atleast 5-6 years out of it 🤷🏾♂️ I’m willing to drop down to 1440p if need be
After testing path tracing and ray tracing on a 4080 i decided that it's just not worth it right now. I bought a used 6700XT for 1080p gaming and will consider a rtx card when they do not struggle at native resolutions anymore.
Daaaaaaaaniel what is with your new 4k 240hz WOLED monitor? Still waiting for your video about it. Almost feels like you didnt get it yet? or do you want to test it a few weeks before you talk about it? Im planning to buy a 240hz 4k OLED, Im leaning towards one of the QD-OLEDs but Im still really curious about your opinion of the WOLED, since you know how QD-OLED (even tho I dont think youve seen the newest gen panels, right? the ones that are used in the 4k240 MSI, ASUS, Alienware monitors?) looks, Ive never seen either in RL
hey man i watch a lot of your videos but the only game i play is fortnite, i understand this is a lot to ask but in ur bench marking videos for gpus, in the future do u think u can show js a like 5 sec clip of frames and latency and that’s all? love your content btw
just finished getting a 4080 for 750 on hardwareswap, the raw performance with the 4000 series isn't the problem, its the the price to performance as you noted. I urge anyone and everyone to try to get a 4000 series card open box or second hand from early adopters who will inevitably buy into the 5000 series because its shiny and new
IMO, 21:9 1440p high refresh rate QD/WOLED feels like the sweet spot for me. For that, I think a 4070 ti super is ideal. If you want to run AAA games for years to come on 4k, well, that sounds like an expensive upgrade cycle to get into that starts at a 4090.
0:24 LOL, that's exactly who I am and that is why I chose the 4070 Ti Super. LOL. But guess what, I am also throwing a 4070 Super in! I think the 4090 is ridiculous, both it's size and price. What I can get from the 4070TiS is ideal. Yea, I am looking to ML as well and the 24GB and more RT cores of the 4090 would be perfection, but overkill to me.
Been happy with updating from my 1080Ti to the 4070Ti Super as I found one for a steal thanks to MicroCenter's Open box program (lucked out with only $650 out the door).
I normally buy the best unless the best is offering poor value. For example I had a 3080 over a 3090 because the 3090 was barely 10% better but commanded too much of a premium to make it worth buying. 4090 I bought for $1550 and its double the 3080s perf while also being double the price, that's fair enough, I just wish I didn't wait a year to get the 4090 after it released.
I love how, of all people, Jayz2Cents predicted that the Ti Super would eventually become the buyer's pick and everyone's favourite - after its initial dismissal at launch by most short-sighted reviewers (including GN) as bad value. I surmised this outcome too, which is why I picked one up in the first week. Sometimes it's just about being wise.
Yup, I invested in a 4070 Ti Super in April and I couldn’t be more happier with it. But I did try out the 4070 Super for a week… after that excellent experience I returned and put the money todays the Ti Super.
@@lancevance6346 I would have definitely bought a 4070 Ti Super a year ago if it was out, but it wasn't and I went with a 7900 XT. That card needed the 16 gb VRAM for it's price instead of the bare minimum 12.
Wise? It was dead obvious , the cheapest NVIDIA entry into 16gb of VRAM and extremely close performance to a grossly overpriced 4080 (and was a rebranded canceled 4080). It will be the same story for 5000 series , you either go 5070 ti super or 5090 , due to the leaked gigantic performance gap between 5080 and 5090 which will render the 5080 once again overpriced horrible value.
Daniel, maybe an idea for a content piece could be: "how would X amount of money in a timespan Y be best spend: Buy 2 midrange cards (skipping a gen) or spend the same amount of inflation adjusted money earlier on a high end card?" For example, a 2080 in $699 in 2018. Now it is about as fast as a 4060 that cost $299. Would it have been better to have bought a 2060 then and now a 4060 for comparable total amount of inflation adjusted money? Also considering the potential value of an used card. This could work well as a sponsored piece with Jawa, for example.
I play on a 65" LG Oled, the 4090 is the only card that will get me 4K at a good frame rate. The bigger the screen the more noticeable the resolution differences. Using upscaling looks like garbage unless you use quality setting, which you still need to use with a 4090. If I wanted to play on a monitor at 1440, then I'd get a 4070 ti.
Any chance you can do a 7900GRE comparison with its competitors with a mid-range CPU? In your test vs the 4070 Super you used a 7800X3D, but from what I've seen the gap to even the 4070Ti Super with something like a 5800X3D is considerably lower, even at 1440p. Which means it shouldn't necessarily be a CPU bottleneck, but a question of Nvidia GPUs seemingly getting to stretch their legs a little with a 7800X3D or 13/14900K.
You always get what you pay for! Statistics be damned :) When you plug in a FULL RTX 4090 you feel it. (The same way you felt if when going from GTX 980 to GTX 1080) The RTX 4090 is meant for 4k Path-tracing or Super Ultra-wide geeks like me with 32:9/48:9 Aspect ratio monitor(s). There are other applications as well.. like PC VR and Stereo3D PC rendering! It is not a card for the average Joe and should not be considered as such! (The same with premium cars.. lots of people drool at Porsche/Ferrari/Lamborghini, but if if gifted... the cost is in OWNING it. So unless you have a reason/passion... don't) Solid video, as always :) Thanks Daniel!
Man, you really think of yourself as someone from a high social class because you own an expensive graphics card. First, those are not premium cars. Those are luxury sports cars. Second. If you knew anything about those three, you would NEVER put Porsche and the Italian bolids together. There is a reason you buy a used Porsche with 300k km mileage while Lambo and Ferrari with 30k km. Third. You have to come from the US. It's because OWNING a Porsche is not different from owning a 500 HP BMW or a top-tier Alfa Romeo. Also, ownership of Lamborghini is not even in the same galaxy as the cost of owning and driving a Ferrari. Costs are only the tip of the iceberg here. I don't feel a noble one because I drive a Porsche. I feel like the average Joe when sailing a yacht. I'm not even a guy with the money. I only know a bit about how to "make things work". You don't want to place your graphics card choice with the choice of luxury cars. Any adult person would not listen to you ever again.
I have a 4070ti super, I played Alan wake 2 4K maxed with RT and in just about 90% of the game it was a smooth 60fps experience. I can play just about any other game with quality DLSS at 60 fps. For an extra 1300CAD I want a next level experience and the 4090 isn’t there yet. I don’t even think the 5090 will be there, for 2500CAD you should be getting 4K max highest RT at 144Hz which isn’t happening anytime soon.
I have a 4070 and in some vr games it feels like there not hitting the max refresh rate when I'm maxing things out in vr lol. So maybe your on to somthing
@@robbrg246 oh yeah most definitely. For most games that had VR built from the ground up even a 3070 is sustainable in most cases, but then you start to get into stuff like modded Blade and Sorcer, Skyrim VR, and even Minecraft where the VRAM and just straight power isn't enough anymore. Skyrim VR is my go to right now and that uses around 16GB alone. I use the Q2 and want minimum 90Hz shooting for 120Hz.
@@robbrg246 I dont doubt that, I really am just talking about having complete freedom. Though I agree the 4070 will last you a while for sure. PSVR2 boost things and the 4070 offers way more power than the PS5
@AnonymousUser-ww6ns I think you're right for sure. Depends on the case use, but so long as you are doing just the mainstream VR which will probably stick with PSVR2 levels then you'll be good for about everything. I play Skyrim VR alot which is 1. Old 2. Unoptimized 3. Modded to living hell, and finally 4. past what most people would do as it takes a lot of finicking
The rub is for me that there's only three Nividia cards out there for RT at 1440 really. When I was in the market last year the RTX 4070 Ti Super had not yet revealed itself. Perfect card, just a little too late for me.
Here it's nice to see how little RAM the games actually use, and Hardware Unboxed released a test today, and it doesn't know that there is allocated and dedicated RAM usage, and that the way it presents the comparison doesn't make any sense, because the only important statistic is dedicated RAM usage, which it doesn't have
Daniel, I'm curious how you would feel if the difference in price between these two was more like $640 (so around an 80% price increase instead of more than double)? I consider that while the 4090 costs more, it would also probably last a few extra years in my system, and when I'd decide to sell it, it would most likely still be worth more than double what the 4070 ti Super is worth, netting me more equity toward my next GPU upgrade. This is seldom brought up reviewers, but it's an important aspect to consider for me...
I think the 4090 would lose more total value as soon as it's surpassed in performance. For example, I could see it dropping to $800 or less by the time the 4070 drops to $500 or so.
Im not paying 850€ - 1800€ on a GPU, just to play modern games in 1440p, wich get released in a broken state anyways. The GPU mafia can suck it. UE5 titles can suck it. My 6700xt has to do at least another year or two.
I have a 4090 but also bought it from micro center in my area with the warranty plan of 3 year's. If you dont know, i can exchange it back for it originally cost within that time span for any reason and get either replacement or full refund. That is gonna be my plan for the 5090 comes out. Basically, just leasing graphic cards now
@AnonymousUser-ww6ns yeah that true. But I've done this already with old graphics cards (went from 4070 ti 》 4070 ti super》 4090) and always got my money back. Same with my recent monitor which actually cash me another $100 extra because of price change from last year giving me a whole new one free including the warranty cost. And best part it is optional so if I like it enough I can just keep it. Yeah I'm doing it for the long run
by the end of the year my new pc will be finally built. Going from a 3600x and 1650 ( Yes I know LOL) to 7800x3d and 4070ti super. I am pretty far behind in the gaming tech but not for long.
I had the intention of getting a 4090, but the thought of 5090 coming out just within 5 months held me back. Got a 4070Ti Super, I'd say it has nice resale value
The 4090 was a great purchase. Stupid expensive, and initially some buyers remorse at launch when I picked it up. 3 years later I'm so glad I bought it. No compromises and years of life left before it's useless!
will the price of the 4070 ti super drop once the 5080 comes out or will we have another 7800x3d situation, with the new nvidia being overpriced af with minimum gains, which will lead people to buy the 4080s and the 4070ti super, which in turn will lead those cards to be even more expensive. i think the 4070 ti super is great in general but it should have either had 20gb of vram for it's current price or cost as much as the 4070 super with 16.
upgraded from a 2060 to a 4070 ti super and i couldnt be happier with my decision
thinking about making the jump from 1060 myself
Upgraded to a 6700 XT from a GTX 960 2GB... :D
i went from 1060 3 gb to it
@@Leonardo.ohime.i That's an insanely huge upgrade!
why do y'all never consider amd gpus? loving mine, zero driver issues or whatever ppl are talking about
went with a 4070ti super... it runs everything I throw at it just fine. can't justify spending 1800 bucks on a GPU. Money is worth more than pixels, to me.
Yeah the 4070ti screams money over pixels
100%. I went with a 4080 because the 4090 costs almost $1,000 USD more where I live. With framegen + DLSS, hoping to be able to use the card for atleast 8+ years on 1440p ultrawide.
@@TheSelleycopter Honestly, the 4080/7900XTX are the sweet spots right now, which is sad to say because they're both $900-$1000 cards. But, spending an extra $800+ on a 4090 for an extra 20%-30% depending on the title just isn't worth it, whatsoever.
@@TooBokoo 7900GRE / 7800XT are the sweet spot I think? Depending on what screen youre driving (refresh rate / resoultion). Both around £500-£550 and more than capable cards, unless you just HAVE to run games in 4K native.
If I wanted anything "better" I'd fish around for a new or refurbed 6950XT for around the same price.
No chance I'd ever pay over £600 for ANY graphics card. And I'm *old* so I got money in the bank! :D
@@iamspencerx4070 ti super* 4070 ti is a bad gpu
stop apologizing for your kid's man you have a great channel and you have kids they are just being kids if people do not understand they should not be here this is the most informational channel I have found
He said deal with it. He was not apologizing
Stop glazing
Thought I'd give channel Members early access to this one since I'm done making it, but I don't want to post two videos on the main channel feed on the same day.
wow
Just finished the video and I think he is spot on with today's comparison. My opinion (as a current 4090 owner) is that if you want the best of the best, wait for the 5090 at this point. If you bought the 4090 near launch (like I did) then it was 100% worth it for the enjoyment I got out of it for the entire generation.
90 series cards should be bought at launch. You will only have foreseeable 2 years of dominance until the sucessor will supersede it.
Well said, I own 3080 ti and want to just get the best now. I will wait for the 5090 even though I want the 4090. It's better to wait at this point in time.
Its also use case. I mess around with AI image and video generation quite a bit and the 4090 is completely worth it. Depending on price I may even go up to the 5090 once we see what the VRAM limits are to it.
@@Lattestone671Yep same GPU I'm considering upgrading to AM5 and get a 50 series card somewhere next year.
@@lk5388Facts especially with them being so huge and taking up a lot of power.
I remember when a gtx 1070 used to be called a high end gpu
still rocking mine lol 1070 ti xD
10y ago, maybe, but the future happened :)
Upgraded to a 7900xtx from a 1070. Should be arriving today. Never had RT, so it's not as important to me, but the 7900gre and 78(9)00xt are at great prices 👌 (was even considering getting a 7700xt for a high-end 1080p and mid 1440p.
@@brunoutechkaheeros1182 is it just you or all people lazy these days ? 1070 isn't even 8 years old literally could've googled that in 5 seconds.
@@crazedhark5200 that was a good card.
I wanted to go with a 4090, but the power connector issues turned me away. (The price as well) For what the best can get you, there should be zero issues. Period.
There are no issues, just plug the cable in properly and it will work fine . Don’t use those stupid angled adapters. I’ve had a PNY Verto and now the MSI Liquid Suprim X and they work fine. 18 months of heavy usage and overclocking with Flight Sim in VR on the Varjo Aero. Trust me the 4090 is getting pushed to the max and performing beautifully.
@@briank3754 Meanwhile the normal PCI-E connector never had this issue. Cope
Calm down @daedalus6433… there are plenty of 4090s in existence that HAVEN’T set on fire. My 4090 Verto has never had a problem as well. Stop telling people to cope that actually have the product without issues.
@@briank3754There are still lots of cases with proof that cable was connected fine and it melted. No adapters. Still only 0.1% of users or less but loosing 2000e gpu sucks! At the 4000 series launch 4090 was the only good gpu imo for people like me with 3080. I skipped it though.
@@jasonb110 I will trust Gamers Nexus over you, thank you.
The 4070 Ti Super is such a good card. Great value in the Nvidia GPU stack. 67% of a 4090 for a bit less than 50% of the price (at least in the EU). At 1440p the 4070 Ti Super is killer.
Glad you made this comparison I've been thinking about downgrading my 4090 to something similar, built a media center for another room with a 4070 in it and the performance isn't bad at all even @ 4k I find there's always a combination of settings to make things look great!
What do you do for a living?
I've got the 4070 Ti S in my rig which I use with a 1440p monitor and it easily handles everything I throw at it. The 4090 would have been serious overkill for me at least.
do you know how computers work? 🤔
Yes, I do but, so what?
I agree. I went with the 4070 ti super too. I couldn't justify spending the money for a 4080 super or a 4090. Crazy prices.
Oh... you made a video about me and my buying-history of the TiS. That's nice. Which honor! 😀
20.50 Dan " Honestly, it's the internet!!" A gr8 roundup of games Dan, love the romper stomper background effects too. Good job
Over 40% of the scene budget went on this sfx ☝️
I went all the way down from a 4090 PC to a Steam Deck and I'm gaming more than ever.
This is an interesting take I've never heard before , what made you do this and how did it turn into helping you game even more and without regret? I'm curious..
That happened to me with my 3090 for a while. But it only lasted a couple months. Then went back to gaming on my desktop again.
I don’t mind gaming on my tablet though. The screen is larger than the Steam Deck and I get more FPS on my tablet VS the SD. I just stream my games from my PC to it with almost no latency.
I also have a 3090, been gaming less and less but the Deck gives me my most gaming enjoyment nowadays. I'm working from my desk the whole day, so I just don't want to spend even more time sitting there, being able to play something while moving even just one room away is really nice.
@@fawkkyutuu8851 I was very curious about the hype and I love trying new tech gadgets so I bought one to see what it's all about. It's hard to explain why I enjoy it so much more. Having such a small device that can play everything, everywhere, while only consuming 15W of power is just fascinating to me. Throwing thousands of dollars and 500+ watts of power at a game when you can experience it with a 500$ 15W device seems kinda... wasteful? Sometimes less is just more :) And also, being able to just press a button and immediately be back in the game that I left the day before is a game changer. I heard people call it the backlog killer and that absolutely rings true for me as well.
Why don't you just stream from your PC to your steam deck with sunshine/moonlight?
great video! i'm saving up like crazy till march, to get new gpu combo with 7800x3d 64gb ram! can't wait to see what the new gpu deliver in performance!
Imagine the possibilities: with a 4070 Ti Super, you can build an entire PC for the same price as a standalone 4090! 💥💻🔥
straight fax, no printer
@@xSIJUx 🤣
Got a 4070Ti Super for my valve Index. It felt like the only choice for me really and it's great.
Great to see you are happy and your kids are happy. Great content as always.
I run a 4070 and I love it for 1440p with max settings. I'm using a 32" curve screen @ 240hz and love how it's performing. But, I'm not real hard to please :)
My 3090 still holding up so gonna wait until the 5090 or 6090 comes out. Still great for VR too.
19:43 interesting, 4090 has a massive 60% lead here and this is when it draws 430 watts of power. In all the other games that came before, I think it only drew like 350-380 watts tops, usually around the 330-350 watts range even. Usually the power limit of a 4090 is at 450 watts. Its weird, that it didnt get fully used in the other games, maybe they were all a little CPU limited, even at 4k? and Resident Evil is the first of those games that doesnt limit the CPU so it lets the 4090 to reach its full potential, thats why it is able to draw the 430 watts and come close to its 450 watts power limit? thats also the first benchmark where the difference is so big, its freaking 60% faster.
very interesting, interesting indeed.
Very interesting 🫢😂
Averages just a 20-30% lead though. And for a 200% price tag increase.
Terrible. TERRIBLE INDEED!!!!
5090 will pry be pushing 600W unless they've made big efficiency gains
@@TheVanillatechlikely still at least 50%. 4090 was 65% faster than the OG 4070Ti
@@cosmic_gate476 Did you watch the video?
ffs 😝
Made the switch to 4k, and got a 4090.
Do love it. but it's definitely very "enthusiast tier", financially.
I would recommend 95% of people should probably look more at a 4070 Ti Super & 1440p.
4090 is a legendary card - i use it with 144hz 4K monitor Gsync and its incredible. I got mine at launch and could not be happier but caveat being i use it for Rendering as well as gaming, depends on your application otherwise i would not reccomend it at the price range.
All you need these days is an RTX 4070 Super or RX 6800 XT/7800 XT
my 6800xt can do ray tracing no prob in alan wake 2
@@yazi2879 most games don’t even need ray tracing the only game I’ve use ray tracing for was Sword and Fairy 7 one of the most demanding games and without ray tracing the game doesn’t look as beauftiful
People said that about the 3060 ti couple years ago but now it’s useless because of 8 gb vram.. 4070 super will share the same fate at 1440p. 16 gb minimum is the way for 1440p
@@HOMELANDERRR0 it plays all games fine at 1080p. Your opinion is what's useless
@@HOMELANDERRR0 Yeah I'm definitely going at least 16GB for my next gpu.
4070 Ti Super is very impressive considering its MSRP vs the hugely expensive 4090. Of course we'd all take the 4090 if cost was of no concern but since it is for most people, the 4070 Ti Super is a solid high performer.
Yes!
In 2014 I bought a Dell 4K 32 inch monitor and since then I have been struggling to game at 4K with many sli builds.
The RTX 4090 is the ONLY High-Refresh 4K gaming GPU
4k existed back in 2014 🤯
@@jeanrushmer8192 It most certainly did.
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@@jeanrushmer8192 Yep. Dell UP3214Q
@@jeanrushmer8192 I was playing Quake III in 1920x1440 back in 2003.
It really isn't. It ccouldn't even hold 60fps in every game in 4K max settings on it's day of release, let alone NOW! That's 60fps. Not "high refresh".
If you want to drive an OLED 120Hz screen at max refresh + fps, you're gonna have to upscale from 1200p or so. In WHICH CASE, you ain't running at 4K, are ya?
You're running at 1200p. Which is less than 1440p.
4090 is the fastest GPU available. But it ain't a 4K card. It's like 20-30% faster than the XTX, but costs 200% the price! XD
I'd rather buy me AND my daughter a 7900XTX EACH, and get a McDonalds with the change.
I got my RTX 4090 at launch and it’s been a great gaming and production GPU. I think thou were going to need to see some real performance advancement by GPU manufacturers over the next couple generations to see the acclaimed graphical benefits touted by Nvidia in gaming.
Nvidia are far more focussed on AI right now, than discrete gaming GPUs. Far more profit it in for them.
My Asus Strix 4090 is more then 1 year old :)
I got it on day 1 and totally loved it !!
I just like your videos before it even begins playing because I already know its going to be an informative, honest, well edited video thats factually based. Thank you for your time spent to make these videos, really good stuff. Cheers
I have a 7800X3D/4070 Ti Super and I've been experimenting with super resolution (4k render and downscale to 1440), with an eye on maybe picking up a 4k monitor. It lets me get a good idea what I have to do to maintain enough fps for a good experience and even downscaled there is a perceptible improvement in image quality. Looks like DLSS Quality is going to be my best hope. BUT, if I'm going to get a decent 32" OLED I need to be hitting 100 fps or so. This method lets me play with settings and see what I have to change to get desired results.
Settled for 4070 ti super. In my country the 4090 is double the price of 4080. 4070ti Super was on a very good deal that I couldn't pass away. Great video.
I upgraded from a RTX 2070 to a 6800XT and i'm more than definitely happy with my decision!
After 8 and 10 long years of service , both my 970 ti and my 1070 retired and now run in two office PC. They enjoy their easy life under the sun. A young 4070 super and a 7800 xt took their places. I hope they will last half that long to be a happy camper.
Nice video as always Daniel. Hope you kept the C1! (With its rolling scan motion clarity a "legendary" display to quote one of your fellow creators. Not a CRT, but versus blurry 60/120Hz without rolling scan absolutely night and day. Such a shame LG removed it from the C2 onwards. OLED and clear motion can exist. And is amazing.)
Flight sim in VR with Varjo Aero is using every bit of horsepower that the 4090 has. It is a great card, but I can’t wait for the 5090.
A friend of mine got a 4070 for his VR set & it was chugging due to not enough vram. He bought a 4090 and saw his vr needed about 13GB vram.
He regrets the impulse buy despite it being super smooth.
I upgraded from a 3070 to a 4070 TI Super maybe two weeks ago. I’m trying to get another 2 years of life out of my current AM4 setup.
I considered a 4090, but new ones don’t seem to exist anymore, they’re SO expensive, and I’m afraid I’d have to buy a new power supply to run it, anyway.
The problem is that I went from a 1080p monitor to a 1440 ultra-wide a couple months ago (for work and desktop reasons, not gaming reasons) and I had to F around a lot with the monitor and video card and game quality settings, and was never really happy with any of the results. So I got the 4070 TI Super instead of building a new A5 setup.
For Cyberpunk at Psycho, no ray tracing, it can handle 3440x1440 at good FPS no problem. However, the VRAM consumption was under 8GB, so I felt like I was wasting the additional 8GB of memory, which is why I chose the 4070 TI Super. Plus, I’d been playing with all Ray Tracing enabled (no path tracing) for the past two years, and I didn’t like going back to Psycho settings (which I acknowledge are really good, already.)
I ended up settling for 36 FPS (I can’t make it to 48 FPS, which is the next option) V-Sync locked, path tracing enabled (so, all max settings), DLSS at quality, no frame generation. My GPU runs at 75% to 85% utilization, so the 36 FPS is really stable. VRAM consumption is about 13GB max, system RAM never goes above 16GB (I’ve got 32), although my CPU is working hard. If I’m driving really fast between different areas of Night City, the GPU and CPU seem to take turns being the limit. I could probably take the CPU out of the equation if I had a 5800X3D, but they are hard to come by. There are new 5700X3Ds available, and if I was upgrading from a 1600X or 3600X it’d be worth the money, but I’m running a 5600X and I’m not convinced that the performance benefits of a 5700X3D over the 5600X are worth the cost of a new same-generation processor.
I can’t complain about my 4070 Ti Super. It’s working hard enough. But 3440x1440 is too much for it if I want 60 FPS and either full Ray Tracing or Ray Tracing without DLSS in Cyberpunk.
I have an RTX 2080 Ti. Waiting for the 50 series to come out maybe in six months is not too bad.
I have just bought a second hand 2080ti. It should be a decent upgrade over my GTX1080 and run PS5 ports (like TLOU1) without problems. At first I wanted to buy a new 4070tiSuper / 4080S now, but I would probably regret spending 800/1000$ a few months before the launch of a new generation. With the RTX2080ti the waiting for the RTX5000 series should be a bit easier.
@@PabloB888 The 2080 is not that bad of a GPU. I honestly play a lot of older Steam games so for me it works great.
@@decade_of_dust8810 The RTX2080ti just arrived but it's damaged. The GPU clock is stuck at 1350MHz and I cannot see the voltage settings. It seems that this 2080TI has been heavily mined and the voltage regulator has blown. I'm going to return this card and probably buy a new 4070ti Super.
Still running duel 1070's but waiting for the 50xx series to see where they go but if nothing else getting a 4070ti
@danielowentech I was always curious since you are a hardware guy to see your take on cloud gaming particularly Geforce Now. It is really impressive and I wanted to see you do a comparison with native vs cloud and the pros and cons. Bandwidth, Latency, Price vs investment in a gaming rig, etc. Maybe it will lead you into a rabbit whole of experimenting. Thanks love your content as always!!
4090 was £2500 when the 7900XTX was £1100.
The "is the 4090 worth it?" boat sailed a LONG TIME AGO! :D
@@1984Captive Remember the desolate landscape of the Corona hardware draught?
I contemplated cutting my wrists with a spoon....
But "4090 worth it" is scraping the barrel. Less than 2% of the worlds PC gamers can even afford it, and it's price/performance is practically the worst of any GPU EVER in history! XD
would not spend money on the amd either.. i think amd cards are handicaped.
@@groenevinger3893 Depends on your use case. Assuming price is no object - If you are into Raytracing, then a 4090 makes sense. If you just want a large amount of vram and don't care about Raytracing, a 7900XTX would make the most sense. Different strokes for different folks.
@@TheVanillatech I do I sold my old R9 Fury X for £250, half of when it was brand new and it was 5 years old and it's AIO had been replaced with an air cooler, it was bonkers!
@@groenevinger3893 I wouldn't spend over £500 on ANY GPU, and I have been a PC gamer for almost 30 years and I have a pretty nice savings account.
But that ain't the point.
The 7900XTX, despite being stupidly overpriced (like all todays GPUS) offers INIFINITELY better value to a GAMER (they are GAMING GPUS) than the 4090. It's not even remotely in the same universe.
Upgraded from a 2080ti to the 4070 ti super and in CP 2077 went from playing at 1600x900 getting mid-high 20 fps with RT overdrive to 80-90 fps thanks to frame generation. With frame gen off the response is not very good. It's a game changer and the card cost a bit more than half of what I paid for the 2080ti.
I like this video, very helpful. I have been agonizing over wait or buy, still rocking a 1080 but i upgraded everything else. Your video makes an excellent case for a 4070 ti super. That way i can enjoy it for a year or more while all the price wars and scalpers and such settles down, then make an informed decision. With new gpu releases yeah it's "coming soon" but good luck getting one at msrp unless you go FE version and camp the buy button, then who knows what early adopter issues you might run into. Imagine being the guy that bought a 4090 and it fries your computer!
I’m definitely an enthusiast, I started with a gtx 1070 in 2016 purchased purely for the Battlefield one release, I carried that warrior with me for 6 years with heavy overclocked usage. When the 30 series was teased and or leaked, the generational performance gains alone sold me immediately and I fought for my life to get a 3070 due to gpu production issues. I found a plastic sealed brand new 3070 on offer up for just about $30 higher than msrp (I honestly love these people who buy a couple, one for themselves and one to sell for a SMALL profit. I’m not talking about scalpers, I also got my og AirPods Pro after they sold out for exactly msrp on OfferUp). Two years later here I am with my 6 month old 4090, destroying anything I throw at it at 1440p 165hz, the raw horsepower is absolutely insane.
God i would totally buy a 4070 TiS if I had the money
Great video for a 4070 ti super owner like myself! Good to know how it'll perform. 👌
Wanted to get a 4080 but my computer was limited with regard to card length, so had to go with a gigabyte 4070 ti super, which was the only card under 300 mm I could find.
I love it. Cyberpunk in 4k RT overdrive w/ DLSS P + FG is a little rough I agree. I don't mind the latency too much as I'm playing with a controller. However there are quite a few artifacts. But if you can live without PT then it's all good. 4k high DLSS P with RT Ultra and no FG is above 60 with rare exceptions.
I have a 4070tis now, but I initially bought a non super. It is actually a couple inches longer than the super. So long that it didn't fit because I still have a case with a drive cage. Until I Dremel sawed a piece out of the cage.
I upgraded from gtx 1080>4070 ti super, absolutely ridicilous difference
4070 ti super owner here. I play 1440p and have no desire to game at 4k. Gaming is so enjoyable for n this card! I love it! Best purchase I ever made and I been building PCs since 2001.
I feel super-lucky to have gotten a 4090 at MSRP. The persistent markup on that card feels unearned, but I suppose that's what a lack of technical competition does.
The mark up coming from the semi pro "value" not so much from lack of competition.
To gain back some performance from Pathtracing without sacrificing too much on image quality you can adjust how many light bounces there are. from 2x2 (4), on Cyberpunk. With a mod.
I've got a RX 6800 and am looking for a 4070 ti s or 7900 xt performance for my next card but can't justify their prices. I paid $325 for my RX 6800 (on par with the 3070 ti but with 16gb vram) 1.5 years ago and very happy with the card and performance.
You're in no mans land really. Still have a capable card, but will have to spend a lot on a slight upgrade. Current market is terrible.
7800XT or 7900GRE would be the best choices, at around £510-£550. And sell your 6800. Or look for one of the last 6950XT's. I'm sure some will magically "appear" near to Black Friday.
Or wait it out for a generation. You said you're happy with the card.
Grab a 7900XTX next year when they bottom out in price! XD
Always love these videos even if youve done a ton of them! Always entertaining for me lol
came from a 2070 super to a 4070 ti super and I've been able to run everything at max settings well above 60fps (120+ fps on COD MW3) on my ultrawide 38" 1600p monitor. It's been amazing and I think the best value for most consumers trying to spend a little more if they care about having 16 VRAM for headroom potentially for games in the future. I just refuse to spend 1000+ let alone $2000 on a GPU.
Should I buy a prebuilt 4090 or wait unknown amount of time for 5000 series gpus?
I think the 7900 XT would be a better choice than the 4070 TI. That extra vram it's going to come in handy in a couple years.
Another great video! thanks Daniel! might get a 4070ti super or 4080 super or wait if i can hold myself 🤪
Personally I don't have the money or desire to buy a super expensive gpu and the power connector is still a little sketchy. But it's a powerful thingamajig and will get the job done for anything and everything. I also don't want so much heat in my room that just sounds miserable.
1:52 i dont like the size nor the power consumption of the 4080 series in general. That why I am working with 4070 Ti Super AND 4070 Super.
Went from a 2070 super to a 4070 and it wasn't enough for ultrawide 1440p, and now I have a 7900xtx and that's actually the sweet spot I think for price to performance in my use case.
i was trying to go rog 4080 super and im looking it at 3.5k total and I’m thinking I could already run with 4090 at the price range and confirmed it by checking and configuring it by changing to different brand of gpu but its 4090.
The only gpu that stables the price total was the 4070 ti super, even with rog brand, you’re only paying a premium of max 200 from all other 4070 ti super variants. whereas in 4080 super and 4090 from 4070 ti super you will be paying a premium of 400-500 & 1k to 1.2k respectively for rog.
So 4070 ti super makes sense for high end build that’s in between slightly budget conscious and paying premium for aesthetics.
disclaimer: these prices are from our country (PH)
Planning to upgrade from 970 to a 7900 xtx. Can't wait
That will be orders of magnitude better
@@realnamesnotgiven6193 no shit
AS A 7900XTX saphhire nitro user , its worth it
Why the flagship XTX? You use a 4K screen?
I'd think the 7900GRE or 7800XT (at like 60% of the price of the XTX) are the best around right now.
XTX offers worse price/performance than those. Cost per frame ain't the greatest with the XTX! ;)
I have upgraded from 3060ti to 4080 (including 7800x3D) and this combo is just amazing for 1440p UW gaming. I can be either locked to 60fps and with 50-80% gpu usage it only needs 130-220w, or with unlocked fps you get 70-120 in most games with DLSS and with frame gen I’m almost locked to my refresh rate with is 165hz depends of the game ofc, I’m not talking about Alan or Cyberpunk with path tracing
brother! I am building a rig for my 1440 ultrawide to! What games do you play? And before ultra wide, where you using 2k? if so, what is the performance bump and necesity for the extra pixels that you noticed?
upgraded from 3080 to 4090, experience is insane.
Congrats want a medal?
You must be mad. Dude is just happy of his upgrade, good for him.@@emma6648
@@emma6648 can i get a medal for my 4080? Or is that not good enough?
@@emma6648 yes please
@@emma6648 damn bruh you a hater, mans just shared his experience
When 4090 is talking about its own price: "You would be better off using such money to replace the engine in your motorboat or to drop your shitty bike and buy a proper motorcycle"
😂
proper motorcycle for under $2k, suuuuuure
Hearing the kids in the background is soo funny. Keep grindin'!!
If you're a DL researcher, then this comparison completely makes sense.
Because all you care about is memory size per $.
And for 30xx/40xx series there's actually only:
- 3060 12 GB (good start)
- 3080 12 GB (ok if cheaper than 4060 Ti 16 GB)
- 4060 Ti 16 GB (ok for most models)
- 4070 Ti Super (16 GB, much faster)
- 3090 & 4090 (24 GB)
Other GPUs are not worth it, as they don't provide any memory size improvements over models cheaper in their lineup.
I have to wonder how the availability of the initial 50 series variants will be, and pricing.
I imagine both will be absurd, in opposite directions.
Over a couple of decades of home building PCs I have found that solid mid to upper mid range sweet spot value for money GPUs are where its at for me. I have done several no limit 4090 builds for friends and clients and while testing the systems and breaking them in of course they are fantastic but I just can't justify splashing what I spend on an entire personal system for one component. Of course people are free to spend their hard earned (or Dad's money!) on whatever they wish.
Comparison of power consumption between NVIDIA and AMD GPUs, please.
Upgraded from a 2070 to a 4070 ti super. Great for high settings and high frames while on 1440p
Great comparison. Have the 4090 but the Ti Super sounds like a decent option also.
There will always be a new card and the previous will always be considered “OBSOLETE” but I’ve been on my 3060 about 3 yrs and it’s played everything I’ve thrown at it of course with DLSS on some titles…..upgraded to the 4090 just recently and I’m happy and will use it for atleast 3-5 years and save my money during that time to get the 5000 series when the 6000 releases….i usually buy my cards a generation behind when the price drops….but the 4090 is such a powerful card I think I can squeeze atleast 5-6 years out of it 🤷🏾♂️ I’m willing to drop down to 1440p if need be
After testing path tracing and ray tracing on a 4080 i decided that it's just not worth it right now. I bought a used 6700XT for 1080p gaming and will consider a rtx card when they do not struggle at native resolutions anymore.
The RTX 4090 is for the 4090/3090 buyer. They typically NEED its power OR don’t care about its price when deciding on a GPU
Thank you for this!
Daaaaaaaaniel what is with your new 4k 240hz WOLED monitor? Still waiting for your video about it. Almost feels like you didnt get it yet? or do you want to test it a few weeks before you talk about it? Im planning to buy a 240hz 4k OLED, Im leaning towards one of the QD-OLEDs but Im still really curious about your opinion of the WOLED, since you know how QD-OLED (even tho I dont think youve seen the newest gen panels, right? the ones that are used in the 4k240 MSI, ASUS, Alienware monitors?) looks, Ive never seen either in RL
hey man i watch a lot of your videos but the only game i play is fortnite, i understand this is a lot to ask but in ur bench marking videos for gpus, in the future do u think u can show js a like 5 sec clip of frames and latency and that’s all? love your content btw
just finished getting a 4080 for 750 on hardwareswap, the raw performance with the 4000 series isn't the problem, its the the price to performance as you noted. I urge anyone and everyone to try to get a 4000 series card open box or second hand from early adopters who will inevitably buy into the 5000 series because its shiny and new
Im keeping my 4080 until I cant run games atleast 60. So Ill probably skip this upcoming gen and get a 6000 series
IMO, 21:9 1440p high refresh rate QD/WOLED feels like the sweet spot for me. For that, I think a 4070 ti super is ideal. If you want to run AAA games for years to come on 4k, well, that sounds like an expensive upgrade cycle to get into that starts at a 4090.
I built a 4070 TI super w/ 7800 x3D two weeks ago and couldn’t be happier.
0:24 LOL, that's exactly who I am and that is why I chose the 4070 Ti Super. LOL. But guess what, I am also throwing a 4070 Super in! I think the 4090 is ridiculous, both it's size and price. What I can get from the 4070TiS is ideal. Yea, I am looking to ML as well and the 24GB and more RT cores of the 4090 would be perfection, but overkill to me.
Been happy with updating from my 1080Ti to the 4070Ti Super as I found one for a steal thanks to MicroCenter's Open box program (lucked out with only $650 out the door).
I normally buy the best unless the best is offering poor value. For example I had a 3080 over a 3090 because the 3090 was barely 10% better but commanded too much of a premium to make it worth buying. 4090 I bought for $1550 and its double the 3080s perf while also being double the price, that's fair enough, I just wish I didn't wait a year to get the 4090 after it released.
I love how, of all people, Jayz2Cents predicted that the Ti Super would eventually become the buyer's pick and everyone's favourite - after its initial dismissal at launch by most short-sighted reviewers (including GN) as bad value. I surmised this outcome too, which is why I picked one up in the first week. Sometimes it's just about being wise.
Yup, I invested in a 4070 Ti Super in April and I couldn’t be more happier with it.
But I did try out the 4070 Super for a week… after that excellent experience I returned and put the money todays the Ti Super.
@@lancevance6346 I would have definitely bought a 4070 Ti Super a year ago if it was out, but it wasn't and I went with a 7900 XT.
That card needed the 16 gb VRAM for it's price instead of the bare minimum 12.
Wise? It was dead obvious , the cheapest NVIDIA entry into 16gb of VRAM and extremely close performance to a grossly overpriced 4080 (and was a rebranded canceled 4080). It will be the same story for 5000 series , you either go 5070 ti super or 5090 , due to the leaked gigantic performance gap between 5080 and 5090 which will render the 5080 once again overpriced horrible value.
Just got a open box tiSuper for 720 feels like jackpot!
It’s honestly a decent card. I’m glad with what I have though, I scored my Gigabyte Gaming OC 4080 back in February for $850
Daniel, maybe an idea for a content piece could be: "how would X amount of money in a timespan Y be best spend: Buy 2 midrange cards (skipping a gen) or spend the same amount of inflation adjusted money earlier on a high end card?"
For example, a 2080 in $699 in 2018. Now it is about as fast as a 4060 that cost $299.
Would it have been better to have bought a 2060 then and now a 4060 for comparable total amount of inflation adjusted money?
Also considering the potential value of an used card. This could work well as a sponsored piece with Jawa, for example.
I play on a 65" LG Oled, the 4090 is the only card that will get me 4K at a good frame rate. The bigger the screen the more noticeable the resolution differences. Using upscaling looks like garbage unless you use quality setting, which you still need to use with a 4090.
If I wanted to play on a monitor at 1440, then I'd get a 4070 ti.
Any chance you can do a 7900GRE comparison with its competitors with a mid-range CPU? In your test vs the 4070 Super you used a 7800X3D, but from what I've seen the gap to even the 4070Ti Super with something like a 5800X3D is considerably lower, even at 1440p. Which means it shouldn't necessarily be a CPU bottleneck, but a question of Nvidia GPUs seemingly getting to stretch their legs a little with a 7800X3D or 13/14900K.
You always get what you pay for! Statistics be damned :) When you plug in a FULL RTX 4090 you feel it. (The same way you felt if when going from GTX 980 to GTX 1080)
The RTX 4090 is meant for 4k Path-tracing or Super Ultra-wide geeks like me with 32:9/48:9 Aspect ratio monitor(s). There are other applications as well.. like PC VR and Stereo3D PC rendering!
It is not a card for the average Joe and should not be considered as such! (The same with premium cars.. lots of people drool at Porsche/Ferrari/Lamborghini, but if if gifted... the cost is in OWNING it. So unless you have a reason/passion... don't)
Solid video, as always :) Thanks Daniel!
Man, you really think of yourself as someone from a high social class because you own an expensive graphics card.
First, those are not premium cars. Those are luxury sports cars.
Second. If you knew anything about those three, you would NEVER put Porsche and the Italian bolids together. There is a reason you buy a used Porsche with 300k km mileage while Lambo and Ferrari with 30k km.
Third. You have to come from the US. It's because OWNING a Porsche is not different from owning a 500 HP BMW or a top-tier Alfa Romeo.
Also, ownership of Lamborghini is not even in the same galaxy as the cost of owning and driving a Ferrari. Costs are only the tip of the iceberg here. I don't feel a noble one because I drive a Porsche. I feel like the average Joe when sailing a yacht. I'm not even a guy with the money. I only know a bit about how to "make things work".
You don't want to place your graphics card choice with the choice of luxury cars. Any adult person would not listen to you ever again.
@@HanSolo__ You definitely know your cars :) I don't consider anyone being from any particular social class based on the price of items they own.
I got the 4070 Ti Super graphics card, and I'm really happy with my choice.
i got my 4080 SUper for 700€ new and I am super happy with it.
I have a 4070ti super, I played Alan wake 2 4K maxed with RT and in just about 90% of the game it was a smooth 60fps experience. I can play just about any other game with quality DLSS at 60 fps. For an extra 1300CAD I want a next level experience and the 4090 isn’t there yet. I don’t even think the 5090 will be there, for 2500CAD you should be getting 4K max highest RT at 144Hz which isn’t happening anytime soon.
I only consider 90 cards in the current market because of VR
I have a 4070 and in some vr games it feels like there not hitting the max refresh rate when I'm maxing things out in vr lol. So maybe your on to somthing
@@robbrg246 oh yeah most definitely. For most games that had VR built from the ground up even a 3070 is sustainable in most cases, but then you start to get into stuff like modded Blade and Sorcer, Skyrim VR, and even Minecraft where the VRAM and just straight power isn't enough anymore. Skyrim VR is my go to right now and that uses around 16GB alone. I use the Q2 and want minimum 90Hz shooting for 120Hz.
@dreadful4684 yup. don't get me wrong though, the experience is still great
@@robbrg246 I dont doubt that, I really am just talking about having complete freedom. Though I agree the 4070 will last you a while for sure. PSVR2 boost things and the 4070 offers way more power than the PS5
@AnonymousUser-ww6ns I think you're right for sure. Depends on the case use, but so long as you are doing just the mainstream VR which will probably stick with PSVR2 levels then you'll be good for about everything. I play Skyrim VR alot which is 1. Old 2. Unoptimized 3. Modded to living hell, and finally 4. past what most people would do as it takes a lot of finicking
Conclusion
4070tis+dlssQ=4090 native perf
Is it worth 1000$?
if you have money and r a developer yes
If u just gaming
No
The rub is for me that there's only three Nividia cards out there for RT at 1440 really. When I was in the market last year the RTX 4070 Ti Super had not yet revealed itself.
Perfect card, just a little too late for me.
Here it's nice to see how little RAM the games actually use, and Hardware Unboxed released a test today, and it doesn't know that there is allocated and dedicated RAM usage, and that the way it presents the comparison doesn't make any sense, because the only important statistic is dedicated RAM usage, which it doesn't have
Daniel, I'm curious how you would feel if the difference in price between these two was more like $640 (so around an 80% price increase instead of more than double)? I consider that while the 4090 costs more, it would also probably last a few extra years in my system, and when I'd decide to sell it, it would most likely still be worth more than double what the 4070 ti Super is worth, netting me more equity toward my next GPU upgrade. This is seldom brought up reviewers, but it's an important aspect to consider for me...
I think the 4090 would lose more total value as soon as it's surpassed in performance. For example, I could see it dropping to $800 or less by the time the 4070 drops to $500 or so.
Im not paying 850€ - 1800€ on a GPU, just to play modern games in 1440p, wich get released in a broken state anyways. The GPU mafia can suck it. UE5 titles can suck it. My 6700xt has to do at least another year or two.
I have a 4090 but also bought it from micro center in my area with the warranty plan of 3 year's. If you dont know, i can exchange it back for it originally cost within that time span for any reason and get either replacement or full refund. That is gonna be my plan for the 5090 comes out.
Basically, just leasing graphic cards now
@AnonymousUser-ww6ns yeah that true. But I've done this already with old graphics cards (went from 4070 ti 》 4070 ti super》 4090) and always got my money back. Same with my recent monitor which actually cash me another $100 extra because of price change from last year giving me a whole new one free including the warranty cost. And best part it is optional so if I like it enough I can just keep it.
Yeah I'm doing it for the long run
by the end of the year my new pc will be finally built. Going from a 3600x and 1650 ( Yes I know LOL) to 7800x3d and 4070ti super. I am pretty far behind in the gaming tech but not for long.
I had the intention of getting a 4090, but the thought of 5090 coming out just within 5 months held me back. Got a 4070Ti Super, I'd say it has nice resale value
@AnonymousUser-ww6ns nah 4090 aint losing nothing, moreover it might even go up
what about a 4070 ti super for 3440x1440? Is it an ideal fit?
Is nice
This is a great conversation topic. Well worth having with current prices
The 4090 was a great purchase. Stupid expensive, and initially some buyers remorse at launch when I picked it up. 3 years later I'm so glad I bought it. No compromises and years of life left before it's useless!
rtx 4090 launched 1 year 8 months ago
@Bannana-Smile shoot, it seems way longer. You're totally right, though I had to Google it.
will the price of the 4070 ti super drop once the 5080 comes out or will we have another 7800x3d situation, with the new nvidia being overpriced af with minimum gains, which will lead people to buy the 4080s and the 4070ti super, which in turn will lead those cards to be even more expensive. i think the 4070 ti super is great in general but it should have either had 20gb of vram for it's current price or cost as much as the 4070 super with 16.