Great comparison, both are great for my ears, videos with great sound like this will help the individual choice. I would like both types, but I already have the Greenback in one speaker, I'm satisfied. And hopefully I will get the second type in time as well. Greetings Pavel CZ.👍👍👍
Nice vid I have both also. for playing by yourself G12-65 is pleasant but in any kind of mix it struggles to come through. Newer greenbacks can be a bit more bright/brittle, but cut and sit in a mix much much better. thanks for vid
I’ve had a quad of vintage 12-65’s, a pair of vintage 12-65’s in a 4104 combo, and a pair of Heritage 12-65’s in an Avatar 2x12. This video reminds me why I sold them all and only own Pulsonic Greenbacks and Blackbacks. The 12-65’s are nice for cleans and some higher gain smooth tones, but for classic rock they always sound abit too muted and boxy and nasally in the midrange. Supposed to be a perfect match for 2203/4’s but I tried them extensively with 2203’s from 79,80 and 82, as well as two 4104’s from 82, and didn’t think they were that good. I guess I like brighter, more articulate speakers with classic Marshalls.
Same dilemma for me currently, stick to the classic Greenback punch & clarity or going for a darker, smoother sound with the 65s. Hard to decide. Playing them both in a band context would help. Old well-kept Pulsonics are king. I made a comparison recently with this 90s Greenback set against a '69 Pulsonic set.
Another nice (and relevant) comparison! I hate to restate everything that has already been said, but... I've used and currently use both Greenbacks and G12-65's which are my 2 favorites flavors of Celestion speakers. I agree that Greenbacks are more "Plexi friendly", but G12-65's can sound really good with a Plexi too. The G12-65's are smoother and have a little more compressed frequency range resulting in an emphasized midrange and are more modern sounding. The Greenbacks sound more papery (vintage) and are more raw and organic sounding. I use Greenbacks with my '72 Super Lead and G12-65's with my '89 JCM800 2210. The 2210 needs more mids where the Super Lead has plenty on its own. As far as I know Angus Young started off using Greenbacks, switched to G12-65's for Black in Black and a couple albums following and then switched back to Greenbacks.
Thanks. I love both speakers for all Marshalls that are based on the plexi circuit inc. JMP Mk2s and JCM 800s. Although I should redo this test with both speakers in the same cabinet to make it totally accurate.
Both sound great. I find that the G12-65 tames a bit of the raspiness in the high end on a JCM 800, which is helpful. I don't like Greenbacks as much with an 800. The combination of Plexi + Greenback, however, is a sound that is imprinted in our musical brains. They go together so well.
they are both great speakers. You will get more low end thump out of the 65's. They love to be played loud and are the sound of hard rock. Greenback have their own thing going too. I don't think one is better than the other, just different. Greenbacks are more mid focused but if you have a really bright amp the 65's tame it down nicely.
Yeah, that's what I've been wondering about. I think the G12-65 would be better in the mix for lead stuff because of its thickness, but the Greenbacks percussive quality would help the rhythm parts. Hopefully I can test it in the close future.
Well, the Greenbacks were originally developed in the '60s... much earlier than the G12-65s so what AGK wrote is true. Plus the G12-65s were developed for the 2204 circuit which is also a much more modern incarnation of the original 4 hole JMP.
Yes. It certainly has an effect but I intentionally made this test on low volume so that we can hear more of the speaker-tone instead of the cab. I should redo this one though for more accuracy.
Well, as much as I tried to make this test fair and equal by recording them on low vol, the Greenback is in a 412 and the 65 is in a 112 cab. I should redo this test better.
what kind of comparison is this using 2 completely different cabinets. The cabinets will shape the tone tremendously. a 1x12 isn't going to sound like a 4x12. Also need to change your eq for both speakers. Add more treble and mids for the G12 and less for the Greenbacks. Redo this video and put that G12 into the 4x12 then compare. Otherwise this video is useless.
I see we've got self-made expert on board as the name suggests. Firstly: you're welcome I published the video. Secondly: I'll explain the recording's approach as simple and gentle as possible 1. Close-miking the speakers with a dynamic mic especially when the cranked amp is highly attenuated reduces the cab's influence to minuscule levels - go and test it maestro then get back to me with your recording. 2. The comparison's goal was to test the speakers' frequency response with the exact same amp settings, not to force two totally different speakers to sound the same... although I admit that would be an interesting, albeit somewhat unusual approach. I can't quite grasp the purpose of it but we're all wired differently, thank God.
Love the darker 65’s. I have a pair of heritage 65’s in my Marshall 1936 2x12. Perfect with my ‘87 2204.
Great video. I’m only now realizing how much the various speakers change the tone. Amazing. 👍
Great comparison, both are great for my ears, videos with great sound like this will help the individual choice. I would like both types, but I already have the Greenback in one speaker, I'm satisfied. And hopefully I will get the second type in time as well. Greetings Pavel CZ.👍👍👍
Thx! You can't go wrong with a Greenback!
Very good comparison and playing🎸😎👏
Cheers man!
Nice vid I have both also. for playing by yourself G12-65 is pleasant but in any kind of mix it struggles to come through. Newer greenbacks can be a bit more bright/brittle, but cut and sit in a mix much much better. thanks for vid
I’ve had a quad of vintage 12-65’s, a pair of vintage 12-65’s in a 4104 combo, and a pair of Heritage 12-65’s in an Avatar 2x12.
This video reminds me why I sold them all and only own Pulsonic Greenbacks and Blackbacks.
The 12-65’s are nice for cleans and some higher gain smooth tones, but for classic rock they always sound abit too muted and boxy and nasally in the midrange.
Supposed to be a perfect match for 2203/4’s but I tried them extensively with 2203’s from 79,80 and 82, as well as two 4104’s from 82, and didn’t think they were that good.
I guess I like brighter, more articulate speakers with classic Marshalls.
Same dilemma for me currently, stick to the classic Greenback punch & clarity or going for a darker, smoother sound with the 65s. Hard to decide. Playing them both in a band context would help. Old well-kept Pulsonics are king. I made a comparison recently with this 90s Greenback set against a '69 Pulsonic set.
Another nice (and relevant) comparison! I hate to restate everything that has already been said, but... I've used and currently use both Greenbacks and G12-65's which are my 2 favorites flavors of Celestion speakers. I agree that Greenbacks are more "Plexi friendly", but G12-65's can sound really good with a Plexi too. The G12-65's are smoother and have a little more compressed frequency range resulting in an emphasized midrange and are more modern sounding. The Greenbacks sound more papery (vintage) and are more raw and organic sounding. I use Greenbacks with my '72 Super Lead and G12-65's with my '89 JCM800 2210. The 2210 needs more mids where the Super Lead has plenty on its own. As far as I know Angus Young started off using Greenbacks, switched to G12-65's for Black in Black and a couple albums following and then switched back to Greenbacks.
Thanks. I love both speakers for all Marshalls that are based on the plexi circuit inc. JMP Mk2s and JCM 800s. Although I should redo this test with both speakers in the same cabinet to make it totally accurate.
Both sound great. I find that the G12-65 tames a bit of the raspiness in the high end on a JCM 800, which is helpful. I don't like Greenbacks as much with an 800. The combination of Plexi + Greenback, however, is a sound that is imprinted in our musical brains. They go together so well.
I'd go Anniversary's for the kind of stuff your playing
Great demo
I have g12 65 in my Pro Jr and it works best in fenders amps for me
they are both great speakers. You will get more low end thump out of the 65's. They love to be played loud and are the sound of hard rock. Greenback have their own thing going too. I don't think one is better than the other, just different. Greenbacks are more mid focused but if you have a really bright amp the 65's tame it down nicely.
Absolutely, I like them equally for different purposes. No winner here, both are badass speakers.
The G12 sounds thick, but would probably disappear in the mix...when compared to the harsher but more middy greenback. Just my opinion.
Yeah, that's what I've been wondering about. I think the G12-65 would be better in the mix for lead stuff because of its thickness, but the Greenbacks percussive quality would help the rhythm parts. Hopefully I can test it in the close future.
Cool test! The Greenbacks are clearer and more Plexi friendly. The 65's sound more modern - not bad, just not as defined.
Thx! I really like them both but I agree that the Greenback suits better for the classic Plexi sound.
I think you can always turn down the highs (with Greenbacks), but can’t really add them in where they are not (65’s).
How can the 65's sound more modern when they were developed in the late 70's?
@@AndyK.23 That's what the Treble is for on your amp dude.
Well, the Greenbacks were originally developed in the '60s... much earlier than the G12-65s so what AGK wrote is true. Plus the G12-65s were developed for the 2204 circuit which is also a much more modern incarnation of the original 4 hole JMP.
Do I collect correctly, that the G12-65 is in the 1x12 Cabinet and G12M is in a 4x12?
Yes. It certainly has an effect but I intentionally made this test on low volume so that we can hear more of the speaker-tone instead of the cab. I should redo this one though for more accuracy.
I knew that they were different, but not that different!
Well, as much as I tried to make this test fair and equal by recording them on low vol, the Greenback is in a 412 and the 65 is in a 112 cab. I should redo this test better.
What pickups are in that sg???
Stock Custombuckers (!!!:)
G12
Not a gay comparison !
what kind of comparison is this using 2 completely different cabinets. The cabinets will shape the tone tremendously. a 1x12 isn't going to sound like a 4x12. Also need to change your eq for both speakers. Add more treble and mids for the G12 and less for the Greenbacks. Redo this video and put that G12 into the 4x12 then compare. Otherwise this video is useless.
I see we've got self-made expert on board as the name suggests. Firstly: you're welcome I published the video. Secondly: I'll explain the recording's approach as simple and gentle as possible 1. Close-miking the speakers with a dynamic mic especially when the cranked amp is highly attenuated reduces the cab's influence to minuscule levels - go and test it maestro then get back to me with your recording. 2. The comparison's goal was to test the speakers' frequency response with the exact same amp settings, not to force two totally different speakers to sound the same... although I admit that would be an interesting, albeit somewhat unusual approach. I can't quite grasp the purpose of it but we're all wired differently, thank God.
ac/dc=greenbacks
There was also a period when Angus played G12-65 cabs if I remember correctly.