The Best Input Lag Settings You're Not Using

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  • Nvidia Reflex? Ultra-low latency? Capping framerate? What about AMD's Anti-lag?
    Today we take a look at what kind of results you can expect, and when they might not make a difference at all.
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  • @optimumtech
    @optimumtech  3 ปีที่แล้ว +300

    New upload on the second channel also! th-cam.com/video/Z4tbY2xhPF0/w-d-xo.html

    • @haize9588
      @haize9588 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Finally, I was really seeking for your gameplay moment
      𝗯𝗲𝗰𝗮𝘂𝘀𝗲 𝘆𝗼𝘂𝗿 𝗮𝗶𝗺 𝗶𝘀 𝗮 𝗚𝗼𝗱 𝗹𝗲𝘃𝗲𝗹 𝘁𝗶𝗲𝗿

    • @nicelich
      @nicelich 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Hello @Optimum Tech I would like to know is it Worth it to cap FPS to my 240hz and use g-sync? Or better get 250-300 FPS w/o cap and g-sync. I play Valorant and CS:GO

    • @optimumtech
      @optimumtech  3 ปีที่แล้ว +25

      @@nicelich unless you’re GPU bound in those games, a frame cap won’t improve your input delay. In regards to G-sync, I personally don’t notice tearing beyond 240Hz, but it’s up to you!

    • @senseicheems3270
      @senseicheems3270 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@optimumtech when is the next stream

    • @thomaszhu2277
      @thomaszhu2277 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Ali, do you think you could revisit the GTX 1080 Ti and compare it to more modern cards that released this year?

  • @IamKryptonite
    @IamKryptonite 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2121

    I love that you're into the competitive scene so you actually get what needs to be done to get the best possible settings and setup for competitive.

    • @levilima9925
      @levilima9925 3 ปีที่แล้ว +191

      I dare to say that he's the ONLY ONE that could make a video like this in TH-cam. Everyother major channel is either a casual player or not a player at all so we have no clue when they talk about gaming competitively.

    • @alenyx1589
      @alenyx1589 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @@levilima9925 so true

    • @StefanKamer
      @StefanKamer 3 ปีที่แล้ว +51

      @@levilima9925 I would say Battle(non)sense is the one to also note here, since he has been covering this type of content for quite some time now, and not only talks about System Latency, but also network latency as Network Engineering is one of his areas of expertise.

    • @eniff2925
      @eniff2925 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@StefanKamer a5hun

    • @levilima9925
      @levilima9925 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      ​@@StefanKamer Well said. He's a youtuber that's growing fast due to his unique usage in different scenarios.

  • @ZeroEight
    @ZeroEight 3 ปีที่แล้ว +843

    TL;DW: Play on low settings and enable reflex boost if available.

    • @motion2597
      @motion2597 3 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      Thx

    • @aazxcasd
      @aazxcasd 3 ปีที่แล้ว +132

      Really? I thought this was some secret setting or cfg you have to set, jeez what a waste of time.

    • @sleekismboyz605
      @sleekismboyz605 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Low settings for old crappy gpus like mine

    • @tayxiloon
      @tayxiloon 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      how about the NULL

    • @alexeous
      @alexeous 3 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      or cap your framerate

  • @kcfish4862
    @kcfish4862 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1466

    Jeez this man is getting more swole

    • @animegeek6118
      @animegeek6118 3 ปีที่แล้ว +101

      Nah he just started buying tighter shirts🤣🤣🤣

    • @samisartawi
      @samisartawi 3 ปีที่แล้ว +28

      @xandis 37
      Hater be like 😂😂 jk btw

    • @DuBstep115
      @DuBstep115 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      @@animegeek6118 he got fat

    • @Yulad_A
      @Yulad_A 3 ปีที่แล้ว +119

      @@DuBstep115 if he's the definition of fat damn I want to be fat

    • @DuBstep115
      @DuBstep115 3 ปีที่แล้ว +26

      @@Yulad_A You can be muscular and still gain weight, its called bulking.

  • @SaltyMaud
    @SaltyMaud 2 ปีที่แล้ว +164

    1. More frames = better
    2. Maxing out your GPU is bad.
    2.1. If you're maxing out your GPU, ultra low latency, or reflex will help reduce the penalty.
    3. Framelimiter can be set to a value your GPU can comfortably maintain, improving consistency and avoiding maxing out the GPU.
    (4. With G-sync you'll want to limit the FPS to your refresh rate, or ideally slightly below to avoid tearing from running _above_ your g-sync range.)

    • @whereiskrembo
      @whereiskrembo ปีที่แล้ว +1

      real mvp

    • @MichaelHarto
      @MichaelHarto ปีที่แล้ว +1

      You don't really have to cap fps to your refresh rate for G-sync. You can also cap it much lower. Example, 60 fps to 120hz, 72 fps to 144hz, 60 or 90 fps to 180hz.
      In case your pc can't perform as good as your monitor refresh rate. V-sync still working as intended on those fps. So you don't have to suffer stuttering when the fps dips.

    • @brianwong6562
      @brianwong6562 ปีที่แล้ว

      Which one is recommended, the framelimiter in-game or GPU software? Thanks

    • @brianwong6562
      @brianwong6562 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@SaltyMaud Thank you!

    • @ge2565
      @ge2565 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      so if my monitor is 170hz and my GPU can get over 200fps but with 99% load then it will be better to just cap the fps to 170hz and enable nvidia reflex(bonus) for lower latency?

  • @julianstark9483
    @julianstark9483 3 ปีที่แล้ว +177

    Mate, just props to you! This channel is awesome! So much info, so many practical tips here + the asthetics. Greetings from Germany! No time to play and build a gaming rig rn, but man, I have found so much inspiration here for when the time finally comes to build my own rig! Much appreciated!

  • @julianpearce6869
    @julianpearce6869 2 ปีที่แล้ว +189

    you are legitimately the only channel I've ever listened to. I undervolted my 5600x + 3070 setup and couldn't be happier with the performance. keep it up

    • @alecfortin6958
      @alecfortin6958 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Thats a great setup, thats what I had for a few months. Now I have a 3080 but tbh the 3070 seemed to be a much better combo for the 5600x. Given me a few issues probably related to power or sth bc I only have a 750 watt and the gpu and cpu both have aio’s.

    • @torodensson1331
      @torodensson1331 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Why did you undervolt it and what did it improve?

    • @istachi
      @istachi 2 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      @@torodensson1331 Temperatures. You can even increase clock speed depending on the hardware.

    • @djangojansen7648
      @djangojansen7648 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Which undervolt settings did u use for gpu. And do you use offset or static voltage ⚡️ on your cpu

    • @BOZ_11
      @BOZ_11 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@istachi i use a RTX 3090 at stock and a 5800X. I use a mesh case (air cooling, Noctua fans everywhere at low RPM) with stock frequencies and voltages with no temp issues (and i tested with prime95 and furmark separately for 1 hour each).

  • @Cuda_3D
    @Cuda_3D 3 ปีที่แล้ว +50

    oh heck yea. the entire reason i built a computer was for competitive shooters. Love that your channel is touching on this

  • @karnage_gamer
    @karnage_gamer ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Your comparison with facts and practical application is definitely something I look forward to all my life when judging anything tech related. Great channel & all the best!

  • @jPup_
    @jPup_ 3 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    Would love to see a behind the scenes of how you hooked the mouse up!

  • @redtesta
    @redtesta 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    great information. exactly the type of videos that need to be out there and how input lag is so critical

  • @originalsynestir
    @originalsynestir 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Always love to wake up to your videos on the way to work !

  • @Taterisstig
    @Taterisstig 3 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    Thank you for being a tech channel that gives Apex love! It's the reason why I subbed to you so long ago!!

  • @Adamtronik
    @Adamtronik 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Great video! You should make a video about network and internet settings to address internet latency which is the other big killer for online gaming.

  • @Metaris
    @Metaris 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks for the detailed testing. Good stuff.

  • @magicbeanman772
    @magicbeanman772 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    one thing good about reflex is the low input lag even with big fps drops helped alot when in certain fights i would go from say 240fps to 130fps

  • @hiddencow
    @hiddencow 3 ปีที่แล้ว +249

    Interesting that the framerate cap looks to be the best method, as long as you have sufficient GPU power to cap it at a high enough FPS. The results at 6:09 is especially interesting with the capped lower frames having lower input lag even though the higher frame tests didn't come close to maxing GPU usage.

    • @kleinbottled79
      @kleinbottled79 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      good catch

    • @donovanbryant5165
      @donovanbryant5165 2 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      It's probably something to do with frametimes instead

    • @a.d2019
      @a.d2019 ปีที่แล้ว

      Kinda late to the party, but in valorant uncapping my frame rate and making my gpu run at 95-99% actually reduces the total gpu frame time of mine. Which uncapped site at around 2ms of frame
      Time. When I cap it at my monitor frame rate it jumps all the way to 4/5ms. While having to work less and being at like 50/60%. So I’m kinda confused about that.

    • @Frinx2
      @Frinx2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@a.d2019 frametime =/= input lag
      uncapped(and gpu at 99%) = more input lag

    • @ivannvfx4808
      @ivannvfx4808 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      so, having null and reflex off and capping fps is the best?

  • @lekmannen9990
    @lekmannen9990 3 ปีที่แล้ว +208

    I’m somewhat amazed that ”battlenonsense” is always abcent from the comments in these types of videos ...he’s the frickin god almighty when it comes to latency etc.

    • @christopherbeltran5020
      @christopherbeltran5020 3 ปีที่แล้ว +23

      yea this video is still good but battlenonsense just put out a new one on this topic and its wayyy more detailed

    • @RiccardoLulli
      @RiccardoLulli 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Battle(Non)sense is GOD when it comes to settings and new graphics technologies.

    • @mauree1618
      @mauree1618 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thanks for commenting now I have a new Tuber to follow.

    • @TaimatCR
      @TaimatCR 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Ikr I was actually expecting him to mention his latest video on this as well

    • @eniff2925
      @eniff2925 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      The real deal is a5hun

  • @gcxxi1670
    @gcxxi1670 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Thank you, I learned something new today!

  • @DigitalAdvanZ
    @DigitalAdvanZ 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great video, Would love to see the difference for input lag of mouse + keyboard between plugging to monitor and PC

  • @jolness1
    @jolness1 3 ปีที่แล้ว +27

    As a programmer seeing NULL threw me off.
    "Card + Nothing? Isn't that the first one?", I asked myself.

    • @thedeadliest4380
      @thedeadliest4380 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      This doesn't just happen to programmers, it actually happens to anyone with a basic understanding of English language, believe it or not

  • @griffinrogers6057
    @griffinrogers6057 3 ปีที่แล้ว +94

    Great video, would've loved to seen the differences with vsync, gysnc, and freesync as well.

    • @bigluc2491
      @bigluc2491 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      i just turn them off for competitive, adds too much input lag in my exp

    • @weavercs4014
      @weavercs4014 2 ปีที่แล้ว +21

      Never use any of them. Job done

    • @traaage7782
      @traaage7782 2 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      Gsync is actually good to use. It syncs your gpu frames within your monitors range. Vsync is the one not to use. But freesync and gsync both will lower input latency by syncing your gpu with your monitor.

    • @Sam-zw2kp
      @Sam-zw2kp ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@traaage7782 Free and G-Sync also add a bit of latency. Not as much as V-Sync but it still does

    • @sIytendencies
      @sIytendencies ปีที่แล้ว +1

      v sync increases the input lag in alot of the games i play

  • @mj-7444
    @mj-7444 ปีที่แล้ว

    I love your channel it’s very useful for things I find i need often.

  • @userunknown2771
    @userunknown2771 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    huge props to the testing

  • @zenithii1882
    @zenithii1882 3 ปีที่แล้ว +62

    One of the few Tech Reviewers that's actually cracked LOL!

    • @aver9744
      @aver9744 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      hes not cracked. hes just a normal player lmfao.

    • @zenithii1882
      @zenithii1882 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@aver9744 compared to linus, bitwit he is a god lol

  • @MouseLab
    @MouseLab 3 ปีที่แล้ว +35

    You could also use to show results with adaptive sync/frame cap, and add CSGO to the chart. ;)

    • @diegow7504
      @diegow7504 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Yes we need more data on csgo

    • @rajyavardhansingh4491
      @rajyavardhansingh4491 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Will I get 144hz on Apex with 1060?

    • @SteelRider
      @SteelRider 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@rajyavardhansingh4491 one of my friend play apex with 1060 6gb and he can't get 144 fps in 1080p
      you should probably check some benchmarks tho

  • @casedistorted
    @casedistorted 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Great analysis.
    I had no idea reflex takes precedent over NULL if you have both on, great information to know 👍

  • @manmeetpaul2336
    @manmeetpaul2336 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I learned something new, being extremely tech savvy , you never fail to amaze me with your knowledge as well as gaming skills.

  • @Freaki91
    @Freaki91 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I allways used these settings.
    It makes gaming so much smoother.

  • @aladdin9098
    @aladdin9098 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    LOVED THE INTRO

  • @groovegcs
    @groovegcs ปีที่แล้ว

    Awesome video man, thank you for your work and for sharing :)

  • @RizkyGusna
    @RizkyGusna 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    great explanation! great video! thanks

  • @heyguyslolGAMING
    @heyguyslolGAMING 3 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    Nice lil bonus for setting a frame rate cap can sometimes yield lower temps. My gpu was pushing up to 79C w/ unlocked frame rate. I set a cap of 118 (my LG C9 can only do 120hz) and that dropped my temps to 70-72C.

    • @natnaelabayneh7664
      @natnaelabayneh7664 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hey. My laptop refresh rate is 60hz and I'm confused if i had to cap the fps at 60 or not cap it at all as 60fps ain't fair for competitive games.

    • @ge2565
      @ge2565 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@natnaelabayneh7664 unlocking fps will reduce the input lag on competitive game but ur eyes will still only seeing 60fps because ur monitor can only show 60fps/hz so I think its better to cap ur fps at 120 so it still have the benefit with lower input lag and stable latency, but its if ur laptop can handle over 120fps if not then just cap it to 60hz

  • @Gathlinka
    @Gathlinka ปีที่แล้ว +16

    Hey @Optimum Tech I was curious if you have ever heard of a software called Timer Resolution? It is suppose to change windows timings from default 15.625 ms to the set 0.5 ms which decreases input latency (when set up correctly). With this on in game, the user is suppose to turn off raw input. It does feel like my inputs are more responsive and immediate but, I am not sure if it is just placebo or it actually works. I am also not really sure how to test this nor do I have the equipment to test it. This has really peaked my curiosity and I was hoping for some help.

    • @3jesus3christ3
      @3jesus3christ3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      bruh if you can feel an immediate difference in responsiveness its not placebo, of course timer resolution works :|

    • @master74200
      @master74200 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@3jesus3christ3 nope, it could still be placebo. feelings are not facts.

  • @edge7087
    @edge7087 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great video this is info that the masses need to know. Thank You 😊 On a side note love the monitor. What model is it?

  • @suprjudy
    @suprjudy 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    your channel is super blessed and dope. ty my friend

  • @SolSeal
    @SolSeal 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    What if you cap the framerate and use reflex boost or any anti-lag solution at the same time? Would it matter?

  • @RequiemOfSolo
    @RequiemOfSolo 2 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    When you used a frame cap, were you leaving reflex on or off? I'm curious because for example the 3070 results in Valorant at 6:08 show an fps cap being superior despite 60fps less, and gpu usage being very low in all cases. Yet reflex/boost latency was higher still. This has me wondering if enabling reflex/boost in an fps capped CPU bound scenario could slightly increase latency? vs fps cap + no reflex.

  • @RandomGuyComments
    @RandomGuyComments 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I enjoy searching and watching info for my next build. The building process itself then swapping parts occasionally and tweaking software but on PS5 I’m less worried about if the other player firing at me knows these tips or if their rig and peripherals are better.

    • @knightseriou3258
      @knightseriou3258 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Your cringe af 😂😂keep spending thousands while I shit on you with my ps5😂😂

  • @akariakaza7721
    @akariakaza7721 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thank you. Very useful

  • @kingbaker
    @kingbaker 3 ปีที่แล้ว +82

    Wow I have a 3070 and this makes me feel good af I’m glad I went with this over a 20 series

    • @joeykeilholz925
      @joeykeilholz925 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Turing appears equally compatible (16 or 20 series)

    • @R4DIOACT1V3
      @R4DIOACT1V3 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Reflex feature it's available even on 600 series.

    • @timothyjn100
      @timothyjn100 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@R4DIOACT1V3 That’s not what he’s meaning. He’s happy he has a 3070, not happy he can use reflex

    • @-keiskx1774
      @-keiskx1774 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@R4DIOACT1V3 Jesus can y’all read?

    • @creativebusinessunit7506
      @creativebusinessunit7506 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@R4DIOACT1V3 no ones talking about reflex!! Shut up!!!

  • @jameszy12
    @jameszy12 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    So from my understanding, the best way to use all your hertz (given you can reach it) cap the fps at your refresh rate along with turning on low latency, and if you can't reach say, 360fps with 360hz, then cap it at a reachable number like maybe 240fps to get less latency.

    • @dampintellect
      @dampintellect 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Basically. Monitor Hz limit is best assuming you can consistently hit it without issues. If not cap somewhere around your average fps, I'd round it down as well. Say you are pulling 134 fps fairly consistently, I'd cap it at 120 instead of 144 so that your fps dips are less noticeable making fps more consistent and less visible stutter over all. Some games have occasional flickering issues that can be resolved by capping fps as well.

    • @blizardstorm9667
      @blizardstorm9667 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@dampintellect curious if I should use nvidia boost, vs amd freesync premium (rtx 3070 gpu, and freesync monitor)
      As well as if I should keep my frames uncapped vs capped with frames going above 300, but falling down to 140-180 in firefights...

  • @ahvee2901
    @ahvee2901 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    This video is absolutely fantastic thank you.

  • @hotf1ght3r93
    @hotf1ght3r93 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi thx for this video. Supersampling can add input lag?

  • @amirza776
    @amirza776 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Can you test the input lag on AMD card too? I think AMD also has its own latency reduction implementation on driver level

  • @Almond843
    @Almond843 3 ปีที่แล้ว +71

    the SFF gods have blessed up with a double upload in a day

    • @Zarar5
      @Zarar5 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Who is the other

    • @matthewnovak7351
      @matthewnovak7351 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Whats the other upload?

    • @Almond843
      @Almond843 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      On his other channel

    • @Almond843
      @Almond843 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Sure thing partner. It’s called optimum plays. Just type that in the search bar. It’s got a picture of his adorable cat on there. 3 blocks down. You can’t miss it

  • @captaincookie15718
    @captaincookie15718 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    New to the channel and I'm loving your content man! I had a question regarding the NZXT H1 prebuilt... I know it's not available just yet, as it relaunched with a new riser cable, however, it is a sandwich layout that is expected to ship with the geforce 3070. Given that it is a sandwich layout using this GPU, would you recommend still getting it?

  • @BetteBalterZen
    @BetteBalterZen 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Awesome videos man!!!

  • @fi5ke
    @fi5ke 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Really interested in hearing.. did you cap the FPS in the driver or in the game when testing? I’ve heard input lag should be lower when doing it at driver level.

    • @Wxstrn
      @Wxstrn 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Driver level adds 1-3 ms.

  • @hughlevantjames905
    @hughlevantjames905 3 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    2 uploads in one day? Thanks Ali!

  • @salmonn_gz7987
    @salmonn_gz7987 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    EPIC INTRO!!
    are those 3d rendered??

  • @stay_fr0sty
    @stay_fr0sty 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks! It worked actually!

  • @m4gnum203
    @m4gnum203 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    i cap my fps at 280 in overwatch with reflex + boost. I have a 2060 and 144 hz monitor. Should i disable and reflex + boost and just leave it capped? It seems like capped is best according to this video. I cap at 280 cause its pretty stable, and i heard that unstable framerate can cause variable input lag which can affect aim.

  • @TimLongson
    @TimLongson 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I have a suggestion for a video: Full Tower vs Mid Tower - have full tower case manufacturers lost the plot? There are a huge number of"mid tower" cases which can fit three or more 360mm radiators at the same time. But if you look at "full tower" cases, which are supposed to be bigger, nearly all of those are designed for only 360mm radiators as well - at most they seem to offer one 420mm radiator slot, and even if they say they have multiple slots for 420mm radiators, when you check, they DON'T have the room to have more than one installed at a time! If mid towers are 120mm fan based, going up to 360mm radiators, then surely, by logic, the reason to pay the extra to go to full tower is to switch to quieter and more efficient 140mm fan based systems which can hold three 420mm radiators at the same time? If full tower doesn’t give full 140mm fan and multiple simultaneous 420mm radiator support (at least 3 at the same time), in the same way that mid towers already give full 120mm fan and multiple 360mm radiator support, then what’s the point in them even existing? Why would anyone buy them? Is it that much of an ask for get case manufacturers to add a couple more centimetres of room to fit these in so enthusiasts can have a zero thermal throttling solution to their overclocking top end thread ripper CPU and GPU custom water loops?

  • @tjayplaygames6575
    @tjayplaygames6575 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Amazing video bro!

  • @TrezyWopper
    @TrezyWopper 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    It’s all about the GPU basically an where the Input of the monitor stands from the Calibration of the CPU and how much every GB of Ram can produce an entire class of Frames overall Well done mate I’ve learned a lot when I watch your videos 😅😊

  • @bertrandalexander2302
    @bertrandalexander2302 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I have so much input lag on valorant I can't even hit a shift walking guy with awp

  • @KaiSizzlink
    @KaiSizzlink 3 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    Thank u big man tech wizard. I will eat a raw egg in your honor.

  • @TSCupaJoe
    @TSCupaJoe ปีที่แล้ว

    Appreciate the time spent testing and the info. Lets say you play PUBG at 300FPS with GPU usage at less than 50%, so not much latency reduction can be had. Does turning ON the Low Latency mode add input lag?

  • @lucagenovese7207
    @lucagenovese7207 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I do not understand one thing..do you enable NVIDIA REFLEX boost AND enable the ultra latency mode on a driver level at the same time? Or one exclude the other? Do you have a benefit to enable both or the boost reflex in game ( apex in this case ) does the job already without worrying about the ultra latency on a driver level? Thanks in advance

  • @-Ambos-
    @-Ambos- 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Would be great to see a 21:9 vs 16:9 Video again but with the newer tech. So is 21:9 with 160hz better than 16:9 with 240hz for FPS games? Two years ago you talked about a nearly unfair advantage of the wider field of view while you just called everything above 144hz a very small advantage. But tech changed and you are more experienced now.

  • @iikk_a
    @iikk_a 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    With Apex Legends, there is currently a but that affects your mouse movements and the smoothness of the game when you go above 180 fps or so. 240 fps has noticably more stuttering than 180 fps and if your GPU goes to 99%, your mouse starts skipping and will not track correctly. This is a known issue and it’s why everyone caps their framerate in that game to around 144-190.
    Also Apex has an issue with poor FPS even on the most powerful of systems. My FPS drops to around 120-160 at times and I have an R9 5950x and a 3090

    • @MadazzaMusik
      @MadazzaMusik ปีที่แล้ว

      I have this problem in cs go I'm always tinkering the settings

    • @frain2387
      @frain2387 ปีที่แล้ว

      Bro i have 144hz and when i playing apex ita blurr screen shoud i cap my fps what 142 ?

  • @JimmyStark77
    @JimmyStark77 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    GREAT VIDEOS.
    Quick question about input lag: 1- mice to monitor like "odyssey g7 240hz" VS 2- Mice to Computer USB3 port.
    Which one have less input lag? 1 or 2 in 2022.
    Is it true Mice to Monitor have best result and less input lag?
    (i do not talk about reponse time and keyboard, only input lag.)

  • @ulkoalex
    @ulkoalex 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Ok, but does it have any effect in game? if both enemy player appearance on screen and your shot will be delayed by same input lag?
    or if I have low input lag and I shoot much earlier than avg player how then game will compensate for it if hit registration is done on server side? (like in csgo) would be great to know

  • @TheKims82
    @TheKims82 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I tried capping my frames in BF4 after i saw Battlenonsense's video and the game just feels so much smoother. I use the powersaving tool in Radeon software and have set my min frames to 142 and max frames to 144. Night and day difference.

    • @LastAphelion
      @LastAphelion 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It gives me anyreusims when I keep running across people who only have a certain amount of hz but they don't frame cap, like 144-240hz but they stream uncapped at like 300fps as if it were helping them. And there's no point trying to tell them.

    • @ALIENiAM
      @ALIENiAM 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@LastAphelion i feel you...triggers my OCD on Twitch all the time too :)

    • @SpideyDiG
      @SpideyDiG 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      @@LastAphelion it’s cause the 300 FPS is helping them with lower input delay. 300 FPS makes the game smoother than 144 FPS and easier to aim too. You can lock it 141 and use G-SYNC too for no screen tearing but your getting benefits at leaving it at unlocked at 300 FPS too.

    • @frain2387
      @frain2387 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@SpideyDiG yow bro i have 144hz what i must cap my fps lunch settings for fps ? 141 or what

  • @Dionyzos
    @Dionyzos 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    It would be very interesting to use that tool to measure latency in cloud gaming like shadow or geforce now

  • @TheTechBasement
    @TheTechBasement 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Very nice video, this must have taken some time to do..👍

  • @vladislavkaras491
    @vladislavkaras491 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thanks for the video!

  • @Prexy2
    @Prexy2 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    For a long time I've wondered if g-sync affects the input lag from when you start moving the mouse to when things happen on screen.
    I'd like to have the Razer viper ultimate compared to the g pro ultralight in four ways.
    One way with both in the wireless mode and second a second time with the cable attached. With and without g-sync to see if there is any difference in latency using g-sync and wireless/cable.

  • @TheKillerZmile
    @TheKillerZmile 3 ปีที่แล้ว +107

    sad fact : Apex Legends is smoother with 190fps cap vs uncapped

    • @eagle7015
      @eagle7015 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @Falcon_ mine is 144 capped..doesn't matter I won't play

    • @xleeepy2614
      @xleeepy2614 2 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      Apex feels like shit anyway

    • @zerox3410
      @zerox3410 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@xleeepy2614 Oh Okay because u're shit to play it i guess.

    • @xleeepy2614
      @xleeepy2614 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@zerox3410 nope

    • @zerox3410
      @zerox3410 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@xleeepy2614 ah sorry my mistake just saw ur movement and gotta say u have good movement actually better than mine but i have better aim :) gj man

  • @ComeGetSomeGG
    @ComeGetSomeGG 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    i have gtx 1080 with 87K cpu 240 monitor , so should i enble low latncey mode on Ultra + in game boost and in same time capping the frame rate on 240 would that be the best opstion for getting lowest latnecy possible or i have to chose between the tow capping fps on 240 or enabling the low latncy mode + boost ? i wish you answer me ty , great content bro keep it up

  • @balluthebear1574
    @balluthebear1574 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Hey man i love ur vids and i wanted to just put a question out there regarding input latency for pcs. I know this isnt the right video for this type of question but here we are😭.
    My goal here is to understand the best configuration of settings that will make my competitve games run the smoothest with the least input delay.
    I run on a school laptop. (Intel UHD 620) (10th Gen Core i-5 10210U) with 8 gigs of ram on a 60hz display.
    So for a game like valorant were i get 80-120 fps, with the lowest i can see during gameplay being around 60 what settings should i be using for the lowest input delay.
    I've seen your vids on frame capping but im not sure if that actually helps my input delay because what ive been taught is the higher the fps the lower the input delay so with my understanding capping to lets say 75 fps (because thats managable for 99% of a game) would be worse because 80-120 fps would provide lower frametimes but i do need someone to explain that concept to me. Do note my integrated gpu usage is always around 80-98%.
    I know vsync is just down right bad so i dont touch it but it is tempting as at 80-120 fps, screen tearing is pretty noticable but for that i have the option of RTSS Scanline which works to completley remove the tearing line of the screen with the only requirment being you must be reaching your monitors refresh rate in fps nearly all the time so for me that is 60fps at all times which i do get. The one concern with RTSS Scanline Sync and just capping fps with RTSS in general is ive seen some vids were the supposed benefits of capping fps to your refresh rate only works when you use the in-game fps cap and when the person capped with RTSS they didnt see the added benefit of it. So for RTSS I just want to understand if their frame cap gives you the same benefits of the in-game cap. Also one question with RTSS whats the point of just using the fps cap when you can use Scanline Sync which gives you the added benefit of no screen tearing while also serving as a fps cap.
    So now Ive come to conclude these 'presets/configurations' for my system.
    1. Just bare uncapped
    2. Cap to refresh rate / what i can achieve 99% of the time using in-game capper
    3. Cap to refresh rate / what i can achieve 99% of the time with RTSS
    4. Use RTSS Scanline Sync to eliminate screen tearing (it caps to refresh rate automatically)
    Now it is up to you guys and @optimumtech to help me decide and answer some of the questions I had. Help will be much appreciated.
    P.S
    One suggestion I could give to your input delay vids is have a section dedicated to testing the different input delay methods on a low end system because from what I know is the benefits of lets say nvidia reflex would be much greater on a lower end system as to a higher end system.

  • @ericshun2552
    @ericshun2552 3 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    I could have a thousand frames and 0 ping and I'd still be silver

  • @MrWebon
    @MrWebon 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    You should make productivity videos. I just can't wrap my head around the fact that you make this amazing production videos, are pretty good at competitive games and also swole af. Do you even sleep

  • @delatroy
    @delatroy 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I just enabled low latency mode and I can feel it on Windows cursor immediately 👌

  • @nuramon9999
    @nuramon9999 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you!

  • @brandongunn7992
    @brandongunn7992 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Would have liked to see with G-sync enabled, would the results be the same as an fps cap?

    • @barrybondz4483
      @barrybondz4483 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Depends on the panel. Adaptive sync at 144hz 100% adds input lag. A 360hz gets a lot less due to fps diminishing returns. Capped at 357 with g sync adds 1 ms of input lag. At 240hz you would see noticeably more. 360hz is the pinnacle of high fps/gsync

  • @nasser_almashjary
    @nasser_almashjary 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    You didn't touch on Vsync on or off as well as VRR.

  • @loser3431
    @loser3431 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Love your vids, bro

  • @AzperaHD
    @AzperaHD 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    What about nvidia reflex + boost with framerate cap? Would that give less input lagg then just framerate capping?

  • @NOSfusion
    @NOSfusion 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    What about adding Gsync or Freesync to the mix? How much latency does Gsync add?

    • @VeritronX
      @VeritronX 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Compared to vsync using an adaptive sync tech saves you a couple of frames worth of latency. Adaptive sync plus a driver framerate cap is the best solution for this imo.

    • @rdmz135
      @rdmz135 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Adaptive sync is only worth using if you're consistently below your refresh rate. Its basically useless in games like Valorant, CSGO and R6.

    • @Chuha97
      @Chuha97 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@rdmz135 is latency still added when framerate is way higher than refresh rate?

    • @VeritronX
      @VeritronX 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@rdmz135 adaptive sync plus refresh cap is by far the best setup for playing with syncing enabled, and only those hyper competitive shooters like you mentioned are ever worth playing without it.. and even then you're compromising visual stability for lower latency.

  • @JoeHardman
    @JoeHardman 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    What about if you have a frame cap and enable reflex / NUUL?

    • @cyprian4869
      @cyprian4869 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Blurbusters did a lot of testing regarding that subject, I recommend reading their results on blurbusters dot com/gsync/gsync101-input-lag-tests-and-settings/
      (dot should be a real dot of course)

  • @V1king_Storm
    @V1king_Storm 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    can i ask a quick question i have a 3080 and i was wondering for the best low latancy should i have gsync on or off and if its on should i also put low latancy on ultra and vsync to on or just leasve everythin off? thank you

  • @psy_cho-so-mat_ic3464
    @psy_cho-so-mat_ic3464 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Two questions, with framed cap, do you mean having reflex boost off?
    Also, what about camping and having reflex boost on?

  • @DrakesdenChannel
    @DrakesdenChannel 3 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    I just realized yesterday that Nvidia's overlay was causing 3 layers of input lag; desktop capture and the streaming option. Turn them off! Even if you're not streaming, make sure you get them off in the options.

    • @K4zuki1
      @K4zuki1 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      How?

    • @DrakesdenChannel
      @DrakesdenChannel 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@K4zuki1 Causes some kind of Vsync-like overlay.

    • @K4zuki1
      @K4zuki1 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@DrakesdenChannel no no i mean how to turn it off? I cant find settings to disable capture and streaming

    • @DrakesdenChannel
      @DrakesdenChannel 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@K4zuki1 In the Nvidia Overlay (Share/Shadownplay) options - Privacy.

    • @LeBronya_James
      @LeBronya_James 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@DrakesdenChannel Will it have an impact on streaming? Idk why that setting is there

  • @dbroncos090
    @dbroncos090 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    PLEASE with your input latency testing setup test borderless windowed vs full screen in todays games in 2022, like Apex, Valorant, Rocket League, etc.
    I’ve heard mixed reviews and would like it put to the test FOR SCIENCE!
    Keep up the awesome content.
    This channel has single handedly inspired me to dial in my rig settings and peripheral choices and get back into shooters and feel competitive in them again.
    Thanks from the USA!

  • @f1neshka
    @f1neshka ปีที่แล้ว

    I don’t know how in the table, but I have 2060s, and I have 250-300fps in valorant on ultra in 1920 \ 1080. Thank you very much for the informative video

  • @dickofferman679
    @dickofferman679 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    What about the ULMB from the Rog Switft 360hz monitor? And will it stack with Nvidia's reflex boost?

  • @TheMasterOfSafari
    @TheMasterOfSafari 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Would've been interesting to test a Windows 10 Exclusive Fullscreen fix as well (Windows broke this feature years ago.. you need a registry fix for it as well as enabling "Disable Fullscreen optimizations" enabled for it to work. This decreases the Input Lag M.A.S.S.I.V.E.L.Y for me..)

    • @schellenschote1981
      @schellenschote1981 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      For me as well. :)

    • @RequiemOfSolo
      @RequiemOfSolo 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      what's the reg fix you need for it? I still check disable on every game, but I feel it doesn't do as much as it use to.

    • @TheMasterOfSafari
      @TheMasterOfSafari 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@RequiemOfSolo Hey, to be honest I've not been using it for quite a while now as Windows just keeps breaking it, just look up videos / reddit posts on it, there were many of them, I hope you can find a working method now.

    • @JeffVanRooy
      @JeffVanRooy 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@TheMasterOfSafari You can still (I'm currently on Windows 11 - 22H2 Build 22621.1) and always have been able to use FSE using literally a single registry key change from a 0 to a 1 without needing to restart and that's worked for years so many I'm not even sure but at least 4 years.
      But since FSO gives identical performance now and has lots of advantages over FSE it would be silly to use it but it still works.

    • @JeffVanRooy
      @JeffVanRooy 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@RequiemOfSolo Use Frameview or Presentmon to find out which presentation mode is being used while playing the game. You've almost for surely been using FSO even if you check the "disable" on each game executable but either of those programs will tell you for sure.

  • @UNr34
    @UNr34 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Overwatch also has a native setting called "reduced buffering". You should have included it in your test since it probably overlaps/conflicts with those driver settings.

  • @Gershy13
    @Gershy13 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Question is Reflex On or On+Boost? With a 3070 and 3800x mainly playing Warzone/ModernWarfare and Fortnite. I play 1080p144hz max settings (prefer visuals over competitive)

  • @brutyfruity
    @brutyfruity 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Do I need reflex on in Ncp or just in warzone? And should I cap my fps? I have a 240 hz monitor but I only get 180-220 fps on rebirth

  • @FeelHighAbout
    @FeelHighAbout 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    So if i play CSGO only, ultra latency mode off/on/ultra? Which is the correct answer? Trying to find it out for a while now.

    • @nexux9664
      @nexux9664 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      i tryed all of them and ultra feels most responsive to me.

    • @razorclarencecallahan950
      @razorclarencecallahan950 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Ultra

    • @chunk1337
      @chunk1337 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      No. Ultra is only for gpu bound scenarios. Read blur busters forum about the subject. Csgo is cpu bound. Use ON or OFF.

    • @razorclarencecallahan950
      @razorclarencecallahan950 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@chunk1337 you gave no link or the subject name so I'm still gonna suggest OP the Ultra option since it lowers the most amount of Latency.

    • @chunk1337
      @chunk1337 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@razorclarencecallahan950 yeah if you play with full HD + high settings then maybe. 100% no if you are cpu bound (1024x768 all low) etc.. believe me i've done my testing.

  • @OTechnology
    @OTechnology 3 ปีที่แล้ว +29

    You just shattered the whole life of the “csgo at 400fps or nothing” people

    • @Winnetou17
      @Winnetou17 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yes and no. Having even higher framerate still helps, it's just that the visual feedback can't be improved, but the action of shooting/turning/moving still happens faster. A input lag detector like LDAT is based on the monitor to show up the change and the monitor(s that we have now) is not as fast (400 or more Hz). However, we're kind of talking of gains of 1ms or lower, so... uhm, yeah.

    • @OTechnology
      @OTechnology 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Winnetou17 this is literally measuring input lag of how fast you can see the movements you make appear on screen. There isn’t any other measurement. You don’t turn faster with more fps.

    • @Winnetou17
      @Winnetou17 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@OTechnology Just because you don't see a frame does not mean things didn't happen in that frame!
      And it's not that you turn faster, is that you turn sooner.
      This can be more easily tested (well, already was) on 60 Hz monitors running games at 240+ FPS.

    • @OTechnology
      @OTechnology 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Winnetou17 that’s not how that works lol

    • @Winnetou17
      @Winnetou17 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@OTechnology Yes, it is, lol

  • @mathiasbecktangaaandersen2490
    @mathiasbecktangaaandersen2490 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    This was quite surprising to me, really interesting. Could you perhaps test some more games, not all games rund as smooth as the E-sports titles. Maybe something like ARMA 3 or insurgency sandstorm would be nice to know how to improve.
    Thanks for the good informative content 😁

  • @anatolyivanov890
    @anatolyivanov890 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    What about laptops? I don't have low-latency setting in Nvidia Control Panel. Would it work the same if I just cap framerate at equal to my display (for the games that don't reach 2x display framerate)?

  • @riba2233
    @riba2233 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Becoming battlenonsense, bravo!

  • @looseyourzlf
    @looseyourzlf 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Such an underrated channel.

  • @nouzhan
    @nouzhan 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Do you main the BenQ XL2546K for most your competitive FPS gaming nowadays?

  • @charlesloveless4636
    @charlesloveless4636 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    How does this go with ps3/ps4? Is it ok just to go with default settings on the monitor itself? Will anything in the monitor settings help reduce input lag more?