Therapist Reacts to LUCA
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 3 ม.ค. 2022
- Silenzio Bruno!! How can you silence your doubts and fears? How can you be your authentic self?
Licensed therapist Jonathan Decker and filmmaker Alan Seawright explore these topics in Pixar's Luca, and how sharing who we are brings healthier relationships and helps us find joy and growth on the other side of fear and insecurity. They talk about the themes of acceptance with family, friends, and our broader community, especially if that community includes land monsters and fish boys. And how Pixar animators are absolutely brilliant and somehow made it look like this was filmed inside an adorable Italian diorama.
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Written by: Megan Seawright, Jonathan Decker and Alan Seawright
Produced by: Jonathan Decker, Megan Seawright & Alan Seawright
Edited by: David Sant
Director of Photography: Bradley Olsen
English Transcription by: Anna Preis - ภาพยนตร์และแอนิเมชัน
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What I love about the two older women when they reveal their fish forms, is that the other human women immediately tear up the wanted poster for sea monsters. They know these women by their personalities, who they have chosen to be, the content of the their character. They believe instantly that they must be wrong about their taught fear and bias through true friendships/relationships.
If only it was like that in real life. As far as I'm aware, even knowing them by their character, they'd be shut out of the community. And if not shut out, at least shunned.
I sometimes wish real life was like that. Sometimes prejudice is so deep that when people learn someone they know is part of a group they hate, they start rejecting the person, instead of reconsidering their views about the group.
@@nataliaborys1554 that sadly happens 90% of the time :(
Oh my god they were roommate.
@@_melancholyface1239 Historian’s may even say they were very good friends
"Luca" was such a delightful movie. I especially adored how they subverted the "Liar Revealed" trope. Rather than Giulia being angry at Luca and Alberto for lying to her about their identities, she's concerned about their safety amidst the merfolk hating townspeople, which is really refreshing.
I still didn't like that Giulia kicked out Luca.
I mean, Luca is painfully aware about the mortal dangers and at that point of time his goal is not Vespa, but going to school in Genova with Giulia.
By kicking him out, Giulia is forcing Luca toward a fate that might be worse than death. She took out his choice, just like Daniela (Luca's mother) forced him to go to the deep. And we have confirmation that going to the deep would change Luca in the same way that it changed uncle Ugo. Luca might never see the sky again, or his friends.
It also kind of felt forced, because Luca didn't even try to give proper explanation.
In the past he has told her that "My family was gonna send me somewhere horrible. Away from everything I love." Now he had the chance to tell her about the deep, but instead he said much less, underplaying the severity and the very reason for him running away.
Pushing Luca out also poses the question if he went back to Alberto because he had no other choice.
It would have been better if Luca had decided to amend his friendship on his own accord.
@@user-jp7tw3sd3x all Giulia did was tell Luca he needs to get out of there because people would try to literally kill him if he stayed. I think that’s a pretty good reason lol
@@user-jp7tw3sd3x Giulia was scared her dad, a sea monster hunter, would find out. Also, she’s a kid. She won’t think things fully through, or consider all of the consequences.
This.
I'm looking at you friend from love Simon who was mad she wasn't told first
@@user-jp7tw3sd3x going to the deep is better than getting your secret found and dying. And Luca realized he was in the wrong which is why he didn’t try to argue back that much. It wasn’t forced at all, if anything it felt totally natural
The nice thing is that the seamonster can be a metaphor for anything you want.
Be it gay, trans, minorities, Neuro-divergent or really anything.
It can speak to so many people
Agreed! The movie does a good job keeping the metaphor open enough so many situations can fit on it!
That, and it doesn’t have to be a grander metaphor, too. The Fear of the Other exists in things as small as school rivalries, fandoms, etc. There was always that one school at cross country meets that wouldn’t join the big group huddle.
A metaphor for anything but consanguinamory.
Sometimes we prefer to retain control over what two consenting adults can do in their own home.
it can even be the opposite. Say you were raised in a homophobic christian household. "Fear the land monsters, you're a SEAMONSTER!" could easily be "Gay people are SINNERS GOING TO HELL! Don't associate with them, or else you will too!" Say you were raised in a racist household. "Those JEWS are hoarding all the money!" or something like that. It could very quickly be a "don't work at a bank," or "Don't do this" or "Don't do that" because that's what ____ Race does, and that's not us! That's evil! And then, much like in the overworld situation, they receive backlash for those beliefs, that if you're raised in homophobic christianity, then you meet a gay person, and you reveal you were raised into homophobic christianity, they'll call you a monster for it, and you'll snap back and call THEM monsters, and so the cycle continues.
Sea Monster and Land Monster is just any two factions that results in Us Vs Them, and I think that's beautiful.
Luca felt very much like a Boy’s Coming Of Age TM but with queer subtext. The very…male aspect was incredibly dull. But the subtext re-engaged me.
(And then a few months later we FINALLY got a Girl’s Coming Of Age (No, REALLY) with Turning Red. Which, was also very…allo. I am ace and aro as HELL. But the GIRL! Aspect (even though a lot of it wasn’t MY Experience as an aroace and because Not My Intetests At That Age Whatsoever) kept me engaged through the Allo-ness I couldn’t relate to at all (BUT I witnessed my female classmates have to go through, including the boybands and Crush Fanart))
…who knows, maybe something will be ace/aro-coded Coming Of Age in the future 😅
I noticed that when Giulia’s dad was about to say who Alberto and Luca were near the end of the movie, Luca looks up with determination, but Alberto looks nervous, not the same way he looked at the crowd. Throughout the movie we see that Alberto spends time with the dad and I think that look is as if he’s scared that the dad isn’t going to accept him and that he may lose the one person he saw as a father figure.
Agreed. I don’t like how others are seeing sex as a part of this. Like somehow this is an identity issue about SEX instead of in life in general
@@silver2zilver just a small note, sexuality /= sex. They're different things. Sexuality just means whatever gender(s) you have an attraction to; a lot of queer people who see this movie see it through a queer lens, and very much relate to the characters and their experiences to a T. This *doesn't* erase any other interpretations of the movie, it is simply one of many
@@silver2zilver it's an ALLEGORY on Sexual preference not the actual thing
Absolutely. Alberto finally found another father figure and was so scared he would lose him like he lost his own father. Massimo is a great stand-in dad 😊
The father he never had
“Staying means nothing unless you’re free to leave” Now that is the quote of this year! That gave me chillllls
One of my friend's told me a similar quote about consent - "a yes means nothing unless a no would be welcome"
@@aviandekeizer9208
Sounds like you have a good friend
@@aviandekeizer9208 SAY IT LOUDER FOR THOSE IN THE BACK
This comment made me realize there a three types of chills the sexual kind, the horrified king and the excited kind. Just had to put that out there
@@kailynncovington3907 thank u for that
Alberto is honestly the most “real” character Pixar has ever made imo. Although the movie in general is probably the most realistic and relatable movie. I love how down to earth it was and the focus on friendship while subtly teaching other things and breaking tropes. The dad being born with 1 arm instead of losing it to a monster, Giulia’s parents being divorced but still has a good family balance, the abandonment issues, and of course the acceptance of differences. Not just the sea monsters but also Giulia’s family was different
Pixar’s best movie by far imo and I’ll be rewatching it so many times
Thoughts on ratatouille?
@@CupofVile
Ratatouille is good, not my favourite by far though (that would be reserved for Luca)
@@CupofVile it’s a decent movie but I mean you really have to side with the fact that rats in the kitchen really aren’t clean. Of course as much as they made the rats look nice there’s also that lingering thought but I can ignore that. However. I just don’t really feel much attachment to any of the characters unlike with Luca. I do find it funny how people complain Luca has low stakes when Ratatouille has even lower stakes (not that I really care about how low the stakes are)
I love the message behind ratatouille, that anyone can follow their dreams. The way they go about it by having a rat who loves to cook is such an absurd concept but delivered so well. I love the scene at the end where Ego is taken back to his childhood just by taking a bite of the food. Also I wouldn’t say there’s no stakes; in fact it’s similar to Luca. Interacting with humans = death. I just love that movie so much.
@@chameleon25 oh the message is great, definitely one of my favorites from Pixar and even if it is something that people always say, it doesn’t hurt to see it again and it’s definitely not something that people keep to. The way they show it is a bit ridiculous (a rat that can cook and controls a human through his hair) but it wouldn’t be Pixar without it
When Luca and Julia are sharing a common interest, and go "Sorry, was that too much?"... This is how I was taught to act, to mask my autistic traits. Hyperfixations bring me so much joy, and when everyone seemed bored or told me to be quiet, I learned to hide. To shut up. It caused a depression, making me lose all interests.
Finding even ONE person who you can be yourself around unapologetically is an amazing feat. I hope to find them one day.
Maybe one for each hyperfixation?
I know what you mean, i love to talk about passions as well and debate them..but so many others think you are ruining the stuff for them by doing it..
I love the very honest line of the grandmother in the End: "some people will never accept him. But others will, and he seems good at finding them." Even though, when we think about it: he didn't. They found him! What he did was giving them a chance.
Yeah, it's sad how you end up masking and even losing your passions just because others feel like that's wrong for some reason. Keep fighting, someone will appear in your life sooner or later. Have a nice day and take care.
I feel this 🥲
@@DeviljhusMaximus99 Preach. Just. Just Preach. That is truth.
Not only will you find one, but you will also find many others like you around them. Birds of a feather.
So many of my friends are queer and neuro-divergant and I love meeting new people like me through them, and introducing them to others like us that I know.
In the whole movie, one of the parts where I legit started trembling was when Luca's family threatens to send him away to his uncle. As a gay teen, yeah conversion therapy is banned, but sending me to even more conservative places, conservative schools can't be prohibited, right? And I live with the fear of, if my parents find this out, they will send me to my native town to "get these western ideas out of my head"
I hope you’re in a safe, loving place now.
the worst part is conversion therapy is often ENCOURAGED in some states
Conversion therapy only became illegal in Canada in late 2021 :,)
Why is "born this way" so hard for people to get their head around?
@@joshwillcox7141 natural order or some shit along those lines
The old ladies 'coming out' after seeing the acceptance of the younger generation is just so parallel to our world and I love it so much ❤️❤️❤️
“Oh my god, they were roommates!”
Love it!
Truth
@@meatforge two gals dropping their umbrellas...
Wait 😭
"When we love people, we love them more than our own wants. Alberto doesn't love Luca. He's attached to Luca. Later he loves him because he wants whatever makes Luca happy and that's what assure Luca keep coming back."
Oh man. That one was a slap in my face. I've been doing some relationships all wrong. Thanks for that.
Character development
Congrats on learning
@@HappyGrrs I guess I was causing (meme warning) EMOTIONAL DAMAGE
@@lunabeekhuizen8858 thanks for the compliment. I loved Luca since it was released and I understand Alberto's demons due to parental abandonment. Now I can see it even clearer. And I'll let the people I love go do what's best for them. If that makes them happy, then I'm happy too.
Wanting people to stay just because you want their company is something extremely egotistic.
We accept you nomatter
I am an Italian, LGBT, gender non-conforming person. I'm 35 now and this movie did make me cry when I watched it on my own. I then showed it to my parents and managed to have a bit of a conversation with them about diversity which led to slightly more understanding for them of something that they had never really known before I came out to them.
I fucking love this movie.
I appreciate Alan referring to his kids as weird alien monsters because on my 6th birthday (a few weeks after starting kindergarten) I sat my parents down and informed them I was an alien.
How did they take it?
Huh...
I thought I was a martian-built artificial intelligence inhabiting a vat-grown biomechanical chassis.
Obviously not as... eloquently put, but still. Never really felt much of a kinship with the rest of humanity.
Actually, I really still don't. My own species is a confusing mess and I understand none of it.
@@mattaffenit9898 Somewhere years ago I saw someone describe it as feeling like an alien anthropologist and went YES! That's it! I find myself observing humans and taking mental notes the way Jane Goodall studied gorillas only with the goal of trying to figure out how to be a convincing gorilla.
I come from a family of weird alien monsters. I don’t know what “normal” is, so normal people seem weird to me. Being autistic makes this even more true.
Would your name happen to be Mikitaka?
I loved that they didn't have a tragic backstory for how Massimo lost his arm, it's just the way he was born. And in the follow up short, "Ciao Alberto", he officially adopts Alberto!
I like that they have a father son type relationship it was beautiful seeing that develop 😢
What? Seriously? STOP I'm SOBBING 😭💜
@@jordanphilson1900 it was so sweet
Kudos on getting both top comments!
@@VoidKing666 Thanks so much, you're so kind! 😘💞
Luca: "Silencio Bruno!"
Encanto: "We dont talk about Bruno! "
Me: Poor Bruno
Indeed, I really hope that they unpack "Encanto" in a future episode, since it's all about generational trauma amidst families.
Lmao
Nope “Silenzio Bruno!”
pixar theory…
In Encanto, Bruno was meant to be Oscar for ages. I heard it became Bruno so that they could have the 'no no no' in the song.
I like the LGBTQ angle on this film, mostly because going in thinking this was an adaptation of The Little Mermaid. Hans Christian Andersen wrote the fairy tale as a love letter to another man to express his unrequited love for him. And the little mermaid's endeavors reflect the struggles of being gay during a time when it was considered sinful and socially unacceptable.
Really?? That's so interesting! I have a collected book of his stories and I got it in Denmark with my grandpa. It's one of my favorite books because of that. Now I really want to reread it with that knowledge
@@DestinyKiller I honestly don't think that's true. While Anderson's sexuality has always been questioned, I don't think he's ever been "open" about it. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
@@cordyceps182 I don't know either, honestly, but it would be interesting to look into.
@@cordyceps182 I think he might have been biromantic. Whether he had or wanted sexual relations is uncertain. He had multiple relationships with men and wrote about his relationship with German duke Carl Alexander, saying how they loved one another, even kissing and how it felt "like a fairy tale." He also experienced unrequited love for women many times.
Wait where does it have an lgbtq angle
One detail that I love is that, Luca is the winner here while Alberto is only here to deliver umbrella, yet Massimo grabbed Alberto’s hand into the air, he cares for them both but obviously sees Alberto as his son.
Hi!! I don't work at Pixar but I used to work at DreamWorks and I'd LOVE to share any insights about the industry that I can :) HUGE fan of the show; found you guys back around the Inside Out episode. I'm an animator and I love every time Alan calls attention to animation-focused techniques! The multi-leg technique is called smears and dupes :D I did a tutorial for it on my channel awhile back, and if you want to see it pushed to the max: The Mitchells vs the Machines is a great recent film that I think you'll both LOVE.
Big fan of your tutorials
Hope they see this comment !!
Mitchells vs Machines would be awesome for them to analyze!
@@bigredcube91 oh yes!!! I absolutely love this film.
Mitchels vs the machines was a treat
A cool detail which I found in this movie is that not everyone accepts that Luca, Alberto and Gulia won, you can see some people even walking away pissed off because of it
Yeah but the grandma said “not everyone is gonna accept” or something like that
EXACTLY ! I often see people complain about the ending, saying that everyone excepted them too quickly. But not everyone accepted them and most of the ppl there were actually angry n upset at them. They just realized they couldn't kill them because they had someone backing them up (Massimo and Giulia). They weren't accepted by everyone, the big majority of ppl actually just scoffed and left, only a couple ppl accepted them and that's fine, that's progress. That detail is genuinely one of my favorites in the entire movie.
@@diirt I know! I loved that! I love the part where the mom says she's worried because there might be people who don't accept him and the wise grandma says "but some will, and he seems to know how to find the good ones"... :')
@@andreca90 Becouse of this, I really want to see Luca in Genova, how he finds the good people there? Probably they dont have stories about sea monsters, never heard of them, so dont have any prejudice, so how will they react?
And in Porto Rosso, the movie ends the next day they found out, what is the aftermath? What about all the people, who left, or wasn't even there, or what about Ercole? There is so much interesting thing that could happen!
@@bencekontra4035 you can see some of that in the credits if I remember correctly although it isn't quite as fulfilling as an animated version
My favorite Massimo moment is when Luca and Guilia tell him that “but I don’t think he wants to be found right now” and Massimo goes, “maybe not, but just in case”
Just soo good
Massimo is **chef's kiss**
Strongly agree. It’s such an understated moment that caps that whole dynamic.
At first I thought it was just a trick to write him out of the scene. But after watching the Alberto short, it adds so much to their dynamic
that man was wholesome, and so sweet, even if he seemed tough without emotions
@@merijn4440 my heart MELTED when Alberto called him dad 🥰 I totally want to see Massimo adopt him and have Giulia find out she has a new brother.
I love Alberto's emotional maturation by the end of the film. Giving up his dream to let Luca fulfill his, moving on from his jealousy and insecurity, realizing that Massimo can provide some of what he needs. I am a sobbing mess as he runs with the train joyfully cheering his friend on! And I think that many of us can relate to having a friendship where one friend is moving on to bigger and better things (and sometimes there is even the added difficulty of that being possible because of their privilege or the luck of being born to a stable and loving family), and the friend being left behind either being genuinely happy for or devastatingly jealous of that person. It can be a make or break moment for friendships.
also don't forget at the end when Luca asked him again what his catch phrase meant he had the emotional maturity to admit he doesn't know ("go find out for me will you?")
Oh, that's true. My best friend is going to college now, while I had to drop out all the way back in middle school due to chronic disability. It never even occurred to me to be jealous, because even though on some level I wish I had that, overall I'm satisfied with where I am in my life and I'm happy with the things I'm doing. I'm cheering her on from the sidelines as she works to become a teacher. She seems really happy too
I also loved how there was no tragic backstory for Massimo's missing arm. He was just born that way. End of story.
Yes! And it's not portrayed as a "handicap" - it's just the way he is and not a major plot point
I’ve heard of some theories that Alberto’s dad bit it off or something, but honestly I always preferred just not needing a reason behind being born different
Watching this I realized the different reactions each of the children had to Massimo when he realized who the boys were. Giulia was apologetic, Luca seems resolved in himself, and Alberto seems afraid of losing his new father figure. A cool choice to show how they've grown.
This comment makes me realize why massimo and Alberto’s relationship is so special, massimo is the stand in father figure, Alberto’s never had a consistent father figure and massimo fills that role without questioning. It’s special because he needed a father figure but his biological one abandoned him. Massimo fits the needs left hanging by the biological father.
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It’s not really relevant to your comment, but you just reminded me on something I hear hating
I hate it when people say (for example at least) “Alberto’s real father is bad”. For me It undermines Massimo’s role as his father with labeling him as Alberto’s surrogate father (which isn’t entirely false) but it just bugs me
@@kenmatree.3167 There is a Pixar short that dives a little deeper into this. Alberto works so hard to prove himself to Massimo because he has never experienced unconditional love and is afraid that Massimo will make him go away.
o.o
I am queer and autistic and this movie hit so hard. There is the not very subtle allegory for queerness but Giulia and Luca seems to have ADHD and/or be autistic. And their representation is so well made and their relationship so genuine and loving it's really comforting.
Yesss especially Giulia! Her whole "too much" thing has never made me relate to anyone more
I am too!
Me threee haha ❤
Talking about hiding who you are, man. I remember in college dyeing my hair brown and then seeing it in the mirror and realizing how disappointing it was to no longer stand out in a crowd as a ginger. Feeling accepted and celebrated is something everyone should have. Thankfully I’ve had a lot of people since then tell me they wish they could have my hair color and loved the fact that I have red hair and freckles.
AYE FELLOW REDHAIR! your hair is amazing and so are your freckles, and if anyone tells you otherwise then they're not worth listening to :)
My mom is going through chemo and misses her red hair. She used to say "I don't get gray hairs, I give them." Upon shaving her head as it started to fall out she realized she had a decently shaped head and now she says, "I don't get lumps, I give them."
The point is that I am trying to make is that whether your hair is red or brown or you are bald... there is always something to celebrate being exactly who you are in the present moment. ❤
I'm scared of when you guys get to Encanto because I've never cried so much in a movie and I know I will be devastated when you guys unpack all the family/generational trauma in there. Sometimes I watch a movie and I don't cry in it, but then I come here and your analysis is so lovely and moving that I'm moved to tears (and then I rewatch the movies with a different view - either regarding the psychological aspects or the cinematographic ones - and it feels like a whole new experience). Thank you for making watching movies even more rewarding than it already is.
Same!! My friend and I were sobbing when we saw it. It's so good though
i mainly started (and didnt stop) crying at the Abeula and Mirabel arguement scene, the "I will never be good enough for you, will I?" just hits so hard
@@justyourlocalcommeterd1986 god yeah I started crying at that scene and kept going until the end of the movie
My wife and I just read a bunch on narcissistic parents and how it affects families. That movie is almost an exact parallel
^
When Massimo drops his harpoon and raises Alberto's hand, it's doubly symbolic - he's revoking his violence against sea monsters, but also claiming Alberto as his son. Ciao Alberto (the short) really digs into the father-son bond, and the difficulty in transitioning to trust after Alberto's abandonment.
Shoot, I didn't know the short existed until reading your comment. I'm an adoptee and it just wrecked me. I wish I'd had a loving parent.
@@lucar9873 I'm so sorry, I hope you're feeling ok ❤
Yeah such an awesome short!!!!
I love this movie so much but nobody talks about how REALISTICALLY ITALIAN all the characters behave, move, gesture, act, communicate with one another, etc etc It feels so different and refreshing from all the samey Pixar characters from various movies, who seem to be copy&paste personalities of each other. The characters here are so genuine in their Italianness, it's honestly very refreshing! Excellent work!
The silencio Bruno thing reminds me of the time when my friend asked me “Why you so scared all the time?” I said “Oh I have a Tobi.” He asked “what’s a Tobi?” I said “It’s like Bruno from Luca.” And this dude just deadpan stares at me and goes “SILENCIO TOBI!” at the top of his lungs in class
I hope we get Encanto next, cause there's a crap ton these two can delve into from Mirabel feeling her need to prove herself to her family to Luisa's fear of failure, Isabela's fear of perfection, and Abuela's insane expectations.
Yes! But I'm not sure Alan's tear ducts would survive - he tears up as much as I do at these films and I had tears running almost start to finish with Encanto. Great movie, but even trying to ignore it when my daughter watched it a second time I wound up going through a ton of tissues.
I just watched Encanto. Gosh it's so great, I really thought it was a Pixar movie.
Encanto deserves a multi-episode approach.
Fear of imperfection you mean :)
Just gonna say it
Fucking hate Abuela. Don't think she deserved a character arc at the end.
My brother brought up an interesting point about the scenes where Alberto’s jealous about Luca wanting to go to school. He said that even though Alberto’s handling things poorly and his issue there is mostly rooted in jealousy, he does actually have a point. Luca can’t just go to school with the current state of their world, and with how few allies they have, it would be dangerous. Alberto reminds Luca of who he really is and says “you can’t change who you are, and getting too involved in a world that hates you is dangerous.” The toxic thing is that he’s saying that more with the intention of redirecting Luca’s path solely back to himself, but there are still nuggets of truth in the messages he conveys.
“What are you going to do when they see your fish face?” Is a valid concern. “I bet your school wouldn’t even *accept* sea monsters,” is probably true at that point in time. Even coming out to Giulia in that moment showcased how even someone they trusted wouldn’t accept them, so the world is against them. They’d be pioneering a way for their species, and that comes with a lot of risks, which Ercole embodies.
But overall, Alberto’s messages about being a sea monster act as a reminder that Luca can blend in for now, but he can’t hide forever. Helping him may not be Alberto’s intention in those moments, but it really is in Luca’s best interest that he doesn’t ignore a crucial part of himself, so he can live authentically and be truly happy.
I think a lot of what Alberto says to Luca are also his own fears, particularly when we look at his growing relationship with Massimo. Alberto's own father left him, and here's this new father figure who takes the time to listen to Alberto, teach him things, and just quietly makes him a part of the family - but Alberto also fears that if Massimo knew the truth about him, he'd be rejected again. As much as Alberto longs to feel at home here, he's always conscious of that difference and so is trying to hold himself apart.
And from Massimo's initial response to the boys being revealed, Alberto's not exactly wrong. Massimo calls them mostri marini and reaches for a spear. It's only when he sees how they behave toward Giulia (and how she trusts them) that he recognises them as people, not monsters. He lets go of his prejudice, yes, but his first flinch response is to fear them as he's always been taught.
I think it's an amazing piece of storytelling that Alberto's fears are completely understandable given what he's been through, even if it's not the healthiest mindset long-term.
Totally agreed. Alberto is... Bruno. Alberto is The Voice, dancing on the edge between reason and fear, the edge that is very very real in our world, especially applied to LGBT people and situations. This movie is pretty genius~
This really does make perfect sense, especially when you add the fact that Luca is Alberto’s first friend in years and naturally feels really worried about and protective of him
Wow, a thoughtful succinct comment that is interesting, & leads to other thoughtful comments, such a rarity. 👏 And you even gave your brother credit, well done you. 😁
With that said, good observation & interesting analysis. Now i'm going to add a probably less interesting & thoughtful comment.
When you mentioned 'Alberto's intention', the saying, 'The road to hell is paved with good intentions.' popped into my head. Which made me think, this situation is kinda reversed. The intention wasn't motivated by kindness but it leads to a good place.
You missed a good opportunity to show the clip of Luca’s grandma say an amazing line, “Some people, they’ll never accept him, but some will and he seems to know how to find the good ones”
I'm trans and grew up in a small town. My family said they accepted me but failed to ever actually support me. I've recently moved into a big city that seems much more diverse and accepting but I'm still terrified to be myself due to stigma I faced back home. But I have a few friends and a wonderful partner and I'm really trying to advocate for myself this time.
You can't be trans, they made you think that.
It's just not scientificaly possible. Your life is so sad that you wanted to be special and the easiest way to do it was to join this invented minority.
@@HowDoYouTurnThisOn_ Lmao if you're not trans I don't think thats for you to decide bud 😂
hope you find a community that lifts you up! 💚
I’m trans and grew up in a small town which I am so so homesick for… but as far as trans rights go, it’s the worst in the EU. Right now I live in a relatively progressive place, and the transphobia is still ridiculous, so I don’t want to even imagine what it’s like actually living back there.
I have to say, I think you guys missed one of the most profound and insightful and affirming moments of this whole movie. Luca's parents and grandma are talking and his mom is afraid that some people may never accept him. And then his grandma says, "Some people, they'll never accept him...but some will, and he seems to know how to find the good ones." This quote is so powerful to me because I've never heard any kind of "stranger in a strange land" trope framed that way. And as someone neurodivergent who's had a lifetime of feeling like the alien/outsider/underdog, it was a game changer to hear that kind of encouragement. It also confirms to me that Giulia is definitely neurodivergent, and that's why she doesn't really relate to kids her age until Luca, because he is as well. And in my experience, ND kids always tend to find each other because we understand each other, and it's such a beautiful thing. IMO there was definitely a missed opportunity to talk about Luca as good ADHD representation and the signs/traits that Giulia and Luca present. But it was still nice as always.
I just was coming here to say this. It's honestly the best part of the entire movie and it makes me cry every time. I'm the mom to an LGBTQ+ kid and that line just hits me right in the heart. You can be scared for your kids, but you also have to trust that even though some people might not accept them, some will. And trust that your kids can find the good ones.
@@katielou16 you're such a good mom... I wish my grandmother was more like you
Yeah, I love that line and I also saw the traits of both ND and queerness in the film! Like, as someone both queer and ADHD, I've found that most of my friends ended up also being queer or ND, and those who weren't were open minded individuals who loved learning.
Throughout most of the movie I was seeing it through the lens of being an allegory for queerness, but the moment Giulia said "my mom says I'm too much". That line hit me right in the heart, it had nothing to do with me being queer and everything to do with growing up with ADHD. It really became clear just how amazing of a job this movie and the people behind it did at capturing the core of what it feels like to be an outsider. And to do that without putting a label on anything or anyone (and probably not being allowed to knowing Disney's track record)... Just wow.
Wow... Being gay and neuro divergent, I can see how you can interpret this film in so many ways and that's really beautiful. It's amazing that so many people can relate to the themes explored for many different reasons.
Request for you guys to cover Encanto soon, it's similar to Coco in that it covers healing from generational trauma
Edit: Finished watching the video. I love your guys' work and this video was no different. The reverse gate-keeping was very interesting to hear about and this video came at the perfect time for me when I wanted a distraction. Thanks for all you do!
I highly concur! I also love how there was no official/twist villain, unless you count the abeula, it was just centred around the family trying to break the curse.
I totally agree! I also think it really focuses on the "you don't have to prove your worth to exist" and the pressure of being useful and exploiting your talents or the expectations put on you
I think Coco did everything that Encanto did, but better. But Encanto was a charming film and I had fun watching it. I appreciate these films about inter generational trauma because I think more people should be aware of it and what it does to people.
@@StudioHannah Why Coco > Encanto? I just saw Encanto last night and my initial reaction was that it was better than Coco, but I'm still in the opinion-forming stage, lol!
@@balloonsandbubbles2193 I think Coco was better too but I'm not good at explaining why ... I think we see more about other characters, the world and I personally cried when Miguel sings to mama Coco, but Encanto it's like ... Just ... Going? Sorry I can't help udisjdkd like ... You don't really connect with anyone besides the main character and I don't feel the same power I guess
As an Italian, this whole movie made me deeply emotional. The references, classic songs we love, their expressions (the eye roll after the first bite of good pasta, the little oof Luca does when talking about getting in trouble etc), little mannerisms and so many shows of deep love shown in subtle ways. Such a wonderful film ❤️
“We get jealous and territorial when we put all our eggs in one basket”. WOW thanks for saying that. You guys really are my therapy!
"Staying means nothing unless you are free to leave" i came here prepared to be called out for my trash, to be hit with a brick by what you have to say, to cry and yet nothing could have prepared me for that line.
i absolutely love what you do and thank you from the bottom of my heart. you guys are helping me see things i cant or refuse to see about myself and those around me. again, thank you
I don’t know you or your story, but I do know that you deserve happiness and that the journey to it may be long but you will find it in the end. I wish you the best!
A few notes on my favorite parts of this movie:
When "Silencio Bruno" was used in regards to telling yourself negative things about yourself in your head. To hating yourself. That was where I broke down while watching the movie, and I never recovered and still feel like crying whenever they say that line.
Secondly is the relationship between Massimo and Alberto. Massimo truly seems to view Alberto as a son as time goes on. Alberto is still so afraid of being rejected, and you can see that in his face when Massimo finds out who he is. But the relationship is so strong and builds so organically. Massimo going to search for him even after being told that Alberto doesn't want to be found was a strong moment. I'm just so glad that they have eachother as a father son relationship by the end of the movie.
I came looking for a comment that mirrors mine! That's my favorite scene, when Massimo drops everything to go find Alberto. Their relationship is everything.
And, if you watch the credits, you get to see Massimo and Alberto’s relationship continue to grow. I love that for them
Silenzio Bruno is an amazing moment
You must see the short Ciao Alberto as soon as you can 😁
@@pabloarielcorderovillacort2149 The end of it is so precious
Wow, an actual Christian instead of a person who goes to church and judges the people they were instructed to love. A+
Thank you! So glad somebody said it.
Speaking as an agnostic person, there is no such thing as a one true Christianity. That's just a judgement you make based on your personal preferences. In reality, its technically ALL true Christianity. They base their beliefs off the same sources. And saying one sect is not authentic is a fallacy and red herring that redirects responsibility. If someone does something horrible because of religion you need to be able to acknowledge that or else you can't actually make way to reform it.
Biblical texts have a bunch of different translations and interpretations, and they contradict each other often. That's just how it works with stuff that's thousands of years old. There's timeless wisdom in that, but there should also be room for more modern moral developments.
I'm mark and I'm from Scotland. I've spent my whole life trying to fit in and this film and your analysis are beautiful and inspire me to stop pretending. I'm not hiding anything as huge as my sexuality or my gender or anything like that. But I'm trying to be more me. Thanks for helping me with that.
Oh hai Mark 😊
@@stitchlover4381 I did not hit her, it's not true! It's bullshit! I did not hit her! I did nahhht!
@@beardieblighter9905 anyway how is your sex life?
You got off that island, huh? Good :)
I’m italian and I’m so proud of Luca and what message it sends. When the two old fish face ladies show themselves for what they are I like to think that the old human ladies that tear up the wanted poster are their friends. So it means that Luca and Alberto started the “reveal-ution”, old fish face ladies got inspired AND old human ladies were supportive. It’s a chain reaction, a virtuous cycle of acceptance of oneself and others.
I would also like to thank Jonathan for saying casual stuff like “I tried a bite of that and it gave me a panic attack.” I bursted out laughing, even though I have an anxiety disorder with panic attacks. What he does, admitting that he has some mental health challenges and joking about it, is as powerful to me as Luca and Alberto’s gesture. Thank you internet dads, today I feel less of a fish face myself thanks to you.
I like to think the people in town were all generally decent people. When they saw that two little kids and two harmless old women were "scary sea monsters", and compared it to Encio who was a real actual monster they were like MEH. Like they started to react but then realized it wasn't worth it.
Pfft it's just like that spongebob meme that's like "i don't wanna get out of bed today" "i DoN't WaNnA gEt OuT oF bEd ToDaY"
The thing I particularly liked about this movie is how it used Luca's and Alberto's developing relationship as a good example of how young men can develop healthy, positive and non-toxic relationships. Something we could definitely use more of these days!
I also like how everything is left open-ended. There is friendship between all three kids and that’s it because they’re KIDS. No romance but quite the potential for it in the future in any direction.
@@MikaelaKMajorHistory Yes!!!! No weird romance thing happening, just kids who are friends.
I remember I felt pressure due to gatekeeping culture. In high school, I talked a lot about how I thought girls were pretty so people kept calling me gay. So I started thinking I was bi, but then there was that pressure of "oh you're not gay enough. You don't know the struggles a gay person goes through. You've never been oppressed." This all led me down a rabbit hole and learning more and immersing myself more into the LGBT+ world because I wanted to understand and really feel like I was who I thought I was or at least who people made me think I was. I then ended up becoming a person that didn't feel right to me and kept doing and saying things just to get people to accept me. Turns out I wasn't into girls after all. I'm straight and that's fine too. I also did notice lots and lots of reverse gatekeeping with the friends I used to have. They all hated straight people and tried to get us as disconnected from them as possible, which made me detach from the person I actually am. Sometimes I think that if I ever reached out to them to say I'm straight, they'll say "thank goodness you ghosted us", but that just means they were just not the right friends for me and I'm a lot better off being on my own and slowly finding the right people to surround myself with. I wouldn't mind having friends from that community again, as long as I am not placed in a gatekeeping position and as long as we can respect each other's beliefs.
Sad to hear that. It sucks. Maybe the best ideas would be to look for friends among people who share the same hobbies as you, where gender orientation doesnt matter because you all like photography or pottery or sailing.
You guys should definitely talk about turning red, I feel like it's a gold mine for interesting topics and such
Honestly I'd be shocked if they didn't make a video about it.
I think so too. I related to it a lot, but not how most people would. I'm autistic, and sometimes I need to pretend to be, quote, unquote, "normal" in polite society. But I'm nerdy, and awkward, and I wouldn't change it.
@@pundertalefan4391funny enough, I related exactly the same way
Good call! 🤙
I watched that movie because I saw it on cinema therapy. Maybe I have you to thank for seeing that wonderful movie
As a Gay man, this movie reminded me so much of my childhood
Specially all the bullying
The fact that this movie portrays bullying so realistically, really hurts. My heart goes out to you and to everyone who had to endure it.
@@giselle8924
shoo!
Please cover Encanto soon! The generational trauma and how it gets healed is a beautiful story I think you guys will love analyzing!
I also want to see them talk about Encanto. I would like them to talk about scapegoating with Bruno and Merabel.
Not only the generational trauma, but the POV from those who feel like they won’t ever be enough for society’s standards, and the POV from “gifted kids” being crushed by pressure and expectations from their peers and higher ups, which also causes them to have to grow up way too early. I love that, cause you rarely get to see something from the view of “gifted kids”
I agree
Covert narcissism in the grandmother and how that’s so common in ethnic families and were supposed to just let it go because they’re your elders.
@@boobooismine1 abuela is afraid of loosing control. And that the grandpa's sacrifice would loose its power
I've experienced reverse gatekeeping incredibly often. I'm a Christian, my husband is atheist. A vast majority of my friends are of the LGBTQ+ community, and I myself am demisexual. The amount of times I've been told that I'm not a true Christian because of this is way too much, and it's sad. I'm so glad y'all spoke up about this. It means a lot.
I'm bisexual, and I've definitely heard a lot of things about how bisexual people aren't "gay enough" or how we should "choose." And for a while, I believed that I had to choose. The first time I came out, I told my mom I was a lesbian--even though the first label I really identified with was bisexual--because I believed I had to choose. But after over two years and becoming friends with some wonderful bisexual people, I was able to come to terms with and love my bisexuality.
Fr, some people gets mad for us being """half""" gay and """half""" straight. Even from the same LGBT+ community. Too straight for some of em and too gay for the homophobic or misinformed ppl. XD
But i came out as a bi from the start because idgaf about them, i just wanted to tell family so they could know it. They accepted me easily, and even tho we don't talk daily about it, when i talk about y'know, women ☕ with mom, she tells me what i need
Like for example :
"be aware of toxic girlfriends or gold diggers that may steal my inheritance lol And that if i end up with a girlfriend (same gender relationship) I'd have it more difficult bc us women are more manipulative (for good or for bad). While boys are dumber and easier to control like a dog with a leash just bc want you."
Those were mom's words.
And me like : bruh thx ig? 😂 LMFAO
@Jas
Bodacious and based.
My partner is bisexual, and I’ve definitely seen similar struggles from her for her to accept herself. I really wish people would leave each other alone about that, and we just all accept each other 😅
@@EmmyLayton Should not be too much to ask.
I see a lot of people recomending Encanto, and I'm on board with it. It's a very good example of generational trauma, but I think it'd be great to explore the concept of "identified patients" (aka the scapegoats of a dysfunctional family).
My mom is a therapist and she’s loving that her clients can relate! It’s not the worst thing 🥰
And genograms. Always genograms.
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Yes!!! It also explores the pressure of expectations. Maribel was supposed to get a gift and wasn't, so she is seen as "not as special" as everyone else, Luisa has too much on her shoulders, Isabella, struggles with trying to be perfect... There is so much to explore in this film
@@leighmartin9187 Yes, and they always blame Mirabel for that. Isabela is unhappy being perfect and she lashes out at Mirabel, Luisa is stressed and Abuela blames Mirabel. Abuela directly blames her for the cracks and Bruno's leaving. And before her, Bruno was the problem according to everyone, they even make their name taboo. Whatever goes wrong in the family, it has to be caused by Bruno or Mirabel, and everyone refuse to see other options.
A scene from pretty early on I wanna bring up is the scene when Luca's mother decides to send him to the deep waters for a few seasons to dissuade him from going to the surface. It's interesting to see that Luca's mother is attempting to keep her child close to her to protect him, but she goes about it in a way that makes him take the first chance to leave. The movie very much portrays this as a bad thing (I'm LGBTA+ so it reads to me as conversion therapy) but she's not a bad person for making that choice, she's just an overprotective parent who needs to learn her child will be okay. Luca's mother is shown as both a caring parent and a flawed person, which is really nice to see.
As a gay man myself, something I learned from my parents, which helped understand their position, is that parents don't necessarily keep their kids from the LGBTA+ because they don't believe in it but more because they're afraid of the hard life their child will have if they be a part of it, fear paralyzes them and makes them think keeping them away from that is for their own good. Let's face it, it IS hard to be a part of the community, painful and depressing sometimes. But as much as they want to keep that away from us the inevitable WILL happen and we choose who we are and will be a part of it anyway. Parents don't need to hide us from who we are but should embrace us along the journey to becoming who we are.
The Little Mermaid had the same thing with Triton destroying Ariel's treasures thinking he is doing the right thing. But at the same time you see in the movie he DOES care and love her and that's why he does it...but it's a huge flaw and one that can be detrimental to the relationship and the child's life.
The writers already confirmed that this is not a gay story.
@@RedRoseSeptember22 The writers work for Disney (via Pixar, but Disney is still the parent company), a place famous for paying lip service to supporting LGBT+ representation but then never following through with it in any meaningful way.
Your comment really resonates with me. Not for the same reasons at all, but my child and I had fights that ended in me unintentionally driving them away. I am not a bad mother, just flawed, is what I'm learning, and my kid and I are in the process of mending our relationship. Thank you.
This is a response to the prompt at the end of the video:
I am from Utah, like you guys, and I’ve also been raised as a Christian. I am also asexual, a cisgender woman (aka, a girl who was born with girl parts and is okay with being a girl), and am somewhere on the aromantic spectrum, though I do generally want to eventually pursue a romantic relationship with a boy who’s willing to respect my boundaries. I enjoy learning about LGBTQ+ topics, but unfortunately, because of my Christian upbringing and how most of my family is strongly of faith, I don’t feel like I can openly express that part of me. I worry that if I were to come out to my parents as ace, they’d be concerned that I’m straying too far from the path they want me to take. That because I have chosen to take upon myself a label in a similar manner to most LGBTQ+ people, that I must not be truly faithful to the principles I was taught to believe in since childhood. The extra ironic thing is that while they may not know what asexuality is, they have noted my asexual qualities in wanting to take my time with finding a relationship and having no interest in sex, and they accept me for me in that sense… I should probably cut this off before I start rambling about my anxieties.
TLDR, I just worry that my current values will clash with my childhood values in a way that will make my parents disappointed in me.
I very much relate to your TLDR. I hope you find a way to be true to you in a way that brings you peace.
I don't understand why your parents would be disappointed in you or how your current and childhood values clash. Jesus greatest commandment was Love one another (including LGBTQ). Asexuality is Christian ideal, at least until marriage when you're supposed to be fruitful and multiply, and do all the gross stuff that involves. I'm not sure yet what all the cis, pan, demi stuff means, but I too am a girl born with girl parts, and ok for the most part with being a girl, and asexual.
I'm in almost exactly the same boat as you, though I was born in Arizona and moved to Utah for work opportunities, and I'm Aromantic. Leaning about aromantism made so many pieces click into place for me, my lack of romantic crushes and pretty short term physical attraction that I felt no inclination to pursue. For years I wondered if I was messed up in the head, but knowing this was just a thing you could be? It just about saved me. I also want a family and children, and the easiest way to get that that fits with my beliefs is marriage. We may not fit the mold, but we're here, doing our best, and we are loved.
I'm sorry for the torment from the fear of rejection you have. I pray peace for you.
As for biblical views (as opposed to some Christian views) on asexuality, Jesus said some are born that way. (Matt 19) So, this is a normal state of being, if not common. Paul later said that singleness/celibacy (which I would place asexuality) is preferable because you are free to focus on being with God. (1 Cor 7). So, strictly speaking, asexuality is not a moral sin. It is a non-issue. You may be struggling under religious tradition and understanding, not Christianity, which is something else entirely. And Jesus has never been keen on religious tradition.
Perhaps, if you talk to your family with that approach, you will have your heart put at ease. I would also encourage you to read 1Cor 13 and put God's name in place of the word "love". Because He is Love and you are His focus.
You may not be a Christian but if your parents are, they will always love you.
I’ve never related to a comment more. This is me to a tee
As someone on the asexual spectrum, a lot in the LGBT+ community would tell me that I don’t belong with them, especially since I am married to a man. But I also feel romantic love for women, so yes I am LGBT+, and just because I don't want to have sex doesn't mean that I don't belong in the community. Luca was a movie I avoided a long time because the internet made me believe it was just a coming out metaphor and I am skeptical when people call a piece of children's media that, but it was so genuine and sincere that I ended up loving it. Thank you, Alan and Johnathan, for always being affirming and accepting. 💜 This is why I always come back to Cinema Therapy and why I recommend the channel so often to struggling friends and coworkers, you truly make a difference for this 30 year old biro ace woman.
Ur a part of the community if ur ace alone. Anyone who tells you otherwise is an asshole. You dont NECESSARILY have to hold homo-romantic tendencies to be considered lgbtq+. ❤
What made Luca so good is that it COULD be used as a coming out metaphor, but it is wasn’t explicitly one.
It was a wonderfully written story that could be used as an coming out allegory but it can just as easily be a simple coming of age story, with no additional subtext.
For the "multiple legs" old school style animation (or pseudo-smear, as I call it in my head) it was one of their animators who is super skilled, breaking apart the model and adding another behind. And it looked so amazing that the higher-ups were like "hey, do we need to copyright this? Is this a new engine?" But no, it was just one of their animators being a wizard
Hail to wizards!!
Can you provide source for that. I've seen the multi-limb discussed, but I've never seen explanation how it's done.
@@user-jp7tw3sd3x I can’t explain how it’s done, unfortunately. This anecdote was just talked about a little bit during an online art/animation conference with the creators of Luca this past fall
@@GosterMonster526 Was it the VIEWConference in Torino, Italy?
I hope you guys do Lilo and Stitch soon. This movie turns 20 this year. It’s a great story that covers how people are treated after a loss, sibling relationships, older sibling having to parent her younger sister, outcasts, found families…
This.. Lilo & Stitch is my favorite animated Disney Film, ever. Mostly for the reasons listed above.
Second
That's one of my favorite movies. I can’t believe it's almost 20 years old already.
Yesss!!
With Alberto having gotten abandoned by his dad for an unknown reason (he got hunted protecting his son, and lost the fight so he couldn't return to little Alberto or he just straight up left Alberto in his tower and bailed on him cause he didn't wanna keep raising his son), that it makes sense why he got so attached to Luca as his friend cause he got less lonely from the company. He had accepted long ago that he won't have any parents and he made peace with it, so he was excited to have a friend. And if before his dad abandoned him, it was possible that it was only those two living on their own, no one else was involved, so Alberto doesn't see the need of having more than one pal cause he did well when it was only his dad and him back in the past. So it's understandable he got jealous, but he's only a kid that's been alone most of his life so he never learned how to deal with more than one company. But Alberto did heal from it I think through out the movie, and happily accepted at the end that his friend Luca can have more friends than me cause it won't mean their friendship died at all, Luca will still be his friend! Plus he had gained a father figure at the end, so it's possible that took some pressure off of Luca being Alberto's only pal, that Luca is assured that Alberto won't be alone and he's safe with their friend's dad.
Also, I really hope that Alberto's dad didn't just abandon his son cause he didn't wanna raise him. That's so heartless when there's no mention of a mom or other family member ever, so to just abandon a kid without any means that the kid will get the care it needs so much is just so sad. Alberto made it work out, like I'm sure plenty of orphans had. I just hope that his dad might have left him at the tower, so he could distract the hunters from little Alberto to protect the little boy from the danger. If that's the case, he had passed with so much honor! And it's just sad that Alberto might never learn the fate that fallen on his dad who left him alone so many years ago. I just rather Alberto's dad be a decent creature than just leaving the boy cause he didn't wanna raise him anymore.
Sadly, the director, Enrico Casarosa, said on twitter that Alberto’s father was a bad dad and abandoned him on purpose. Still, I’m glad he got a happy ending with a new family.
Luca hit different for me because the way the people and Hercule reacted to Luca and Alberto, calling them Monsters, is exactly the way my mother reacted to me coming out. So watching all these different people standing up for these two and supporting them felt really good
The last scene where Alberto sells their vespa and arranges for Luca to go to school really shows how far he has come as a character and even though he might not fully understand the necessity of school he gives all he has so that his friend can go which would also mean that he will be without his friend for the better part of a year.
I remember seeing an interview with Ian McKellen where he talked about coming out, and how almost every family member said something along the lines of "I'm fine with this, but [person] might react badly..." Similarly, Giulia's response to discovering Luca is understanding, but she's immediately afraid for him because of what her father might think.
I know that the fishface allegory works for multiple axis of differences, but it rings so perfectly true to the queer experience it's hard not to read it as that.
Especially with the two women holding hands then dropping their umbrellas.
…which yes I know same-gender holding hands is so *normal* in mediterranean and arab cultures (I had other women just randomly grabbing my hands and swinging them while we chatted when I visited Lebanon for a few weeks), but in the context of This Scene in Luca? It feels incredibly allegorical
-and Alberto’s clinginess to Luca? I’ve gone through both recieving and processing that Exact same emotion as a bi aroace with other girls as a kid and not having the vocabulary for that until two decades later-
the way luca "outs" alberto too..... yeah... its pretty on the nose.
Pixar has mastered the art of digital onion cutting. I end up tearing up every single time I watch a Pixar flick.
I love when you guys take a look at animated movies. It's really refreshing to see people not just write off animation as "oh it's just for kids." I suggest looking into the Steven Universe Movie, I feel like you guys would absolutely love it!
YESSSSSSS PLEASE
For me, I saw the relationship between Luca and Alberto and it reminded me of my friendship with my ex-friend. She would get me out of my comfort-zone, invite me to do other stuff, but then she would push me too far and I wasn't as firm in setting my boundaries, or I was and she would get mad at me. I am not physically strong or secure so a lot of stuff was really scary for me to do. We had a lot of fights and in the end I decided to cut ties with her.
I'm very happy for both Luca and Alberto that they learned to grow and have a healthy friendship and sad because in the end it took too much from me to try to repair my own.
Thanks for sharing that!
Two fish friends" could have also been about "Finding Nemo." Maybe you should also take a look at the relationship between Marlin and Dory as they search for Nemo. Thanks for doing Luca. Loved it.
And after, Marlin and Nemo looking for Dory!
I second the Finding Nemo and then Finding Dory - but I think it would be great to talk about children who have to grow being separated from their parents. I lost both of my parents fairly early in life and the first 15 minutes of Finding Dory where she swims around looking for her family breaks me every time and I would love to see Jon and Alan discuss!
My wife and I watched this, kind of a lark, after finishing "Encanto" (which was brilliant). We had no expectations going in, hadn't heard much about it, weren't expecting much. We were both just absolutely enchanted with the movie. It's just so freakin' wholesome. I spent some time growing up in Key West too, so the seaside vibe, and building the Vespa for a taste of freedom really took me back. I distinctly remember trying (and failing) to build a raft to ride down a small river them emptied into a fairly large pond that was fenced off from my backyard.
Alberto may have been forcing Luca's hand a little, but he didn't actually "out" Luca, he outed himself. Luca's response was hurtful and I wish you'd talked about why that was and what he could have done differently.
I was so happy that Alberto said “Silenzio Bruno!” Because I’ve been calling the negative voice in my head “Carolyn” for ages and it’s nice to know someone else is our there also saying “Shut up, Carolyn” or at least something similar.
I pretend it’s Gollum. Whenever the negative voice in my head pops up, I pretend I’m arguing with Gollum. It’s kind of fun, actually.
@@bigpapamagoo8696 Precious?
@@VelvetKitsune my preeeeeciousss
@@bigpapamagoo8696 Weird timing seeing this though, I just rewatched all of the movies rather recently!
I have so many Portal2 lines running through my head right now
"...where Carolyn lives in my BRAIN!"
You need to, need to do Encanto. You’ve focused on generational trauma with Coco. But Encanto is a whole other take on it and family relations.
Agreed!
Precisely, I'd really love to see them react to family trauma across generations, and the conflict didn't involve a surprise villain, but an entire family.
The most difficult part of myself to share is the story of my attempted suicide and calling myself a survivor. I’m proud of who I’ve become not just in spite of that but as a result of allowing myself to take the plunge into asking for help and creating reform to be better. Nobody of worth will doubt that I’m in the right place now, but it’s still easy to see the pity that people carry for me. It’s true that I’ll never have a return to “normal”, but where I was before was nowhere near normal, and my strength of mind, body, and will give me so much more confidence and self-appreciation than any sort of reaction that I might get to my story.
movies that encourage us to be who we are and not judge or hate others are so uplifting, i'm aromantic asexual and not really open about it, i don't really mind not talking about it, but i'm still nervous about letting my family know, since i don't know how they would react and they're not knowledgable about this stuff. maybe one day i'll be able to! but for now i'm trying to work on expressing myself more (with fashion or decorating my living spaces) and not worrying about how people will judge me for the things i like.
"Staying means nothing unless you're free to leave". I'll remember that. What a beautifull line.
it hit me really hard, thinking about a very toxic friendship from my past. i wasnt free to leave, and the more i think about it the more i realize im still not free to leave since that person still attempts to contact me. I almost feel emotionally ill now thinking about it, but on the other hand, that line is a bit empowering, and perhaps a bit humbling
@@avengefullgirl95 I hope that everything will be fine and you'll meet wonderfull people in your life ❤️
Alberto reminds me of my best friend who I met in high school. I was one of the "good kids" always afraid of getting in trouble, very reserved, and a little afraid to try new things. He was and still is a mass of chaotic energy and enthusiasm, and he really helped me come out of my shell and explored a lot of new things with me. I'm a more confident and open person today because of his "bad" influence.
As someone often being the "Bad" influence on other kids and now people: thank you for your words!
Jono, thank you for being a good example of what a Christian should be. There are too many Christians who forget what it means to love your neighbor. I’m glad a Christian man like you has this platform to be vulnerable and open minded and loving.
Agreed
I still remember seeing this film for the first time last year on Father's day.
Strange as it may sound, but I'm an atheist who was visiting a friend's Church for one of her Eastern Orthodox holidays (Pentecost), and the entire time I kept my non belief to myself out of fear of generating an adverse reaction should the topic ever come up.
This film was a powerful message whether it be viewing it through an LGBTQ+ lens or a religious lens as well since "the other" is intensely frowned upon in some religious circles as well. Thank you Cinema Therapy for showcasing this film.
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I would be absolutely ecstatic if you did a video on "Encanto". It deals with generational trauma and how it affects the people living today. As a Latina with a family that dealt with something similar like that, I would really love to hear your thoughts about it!
Literally! My comfort movie
I need to watch that too. I just watched Luca today and loved it
You should watch their episode about the movie Coco then! They're talking about genereational trauma in that episode as well and it fits you as a latina :)
Generational trauma, being trapped by the expectations of others, bearing up under unrelenting pressure, and how being Gifted actually seemed like a crutch in place of the therapy and coping strategies that most of them needed badly (ahem Tia Pepa).
This! Would also love if the search a little bit more about the historical background of abuela’s past/trauma as it is an event that has affected most of Latinoamerica :)
“Staying means nothing unless you’re free to leave” I’ve never thought about that, and I really really like it.
So, as someone who's lived their entire life in Southern Italy, the part where Alberto and Luca ride down the big cliff caught perfectly how kids live and play in most little, campaign like places here.
We grow up in big, infinite patches of green, climb trees and jump on roofs, it's dangerous, but that's how life is here. However, I was raised in a Spanish household, and that's not really the problem (duh) the thing is, my parents were and are pretty hyperprotective (and not only that, they also hated ans hate the people here, as it's nothing like they used to live) so as the other kids battled with snakes while climbing a pine tree while dodging stones being thrown by other kids(kids war are frealing common here lol)I just stood in the corner, being too afraid to do any of that, and even when things weren't dangerous at all, I kept holding back. Now obviusly this lead to me not being able to fit in with the other kids and me having many social problems. Writing this made me relize how much I truly do need therapy and my parents need it too.
This whole movie can be summed up to…. If you like an individual, you shouldn’t hate them when they reveal a secret about them.
Whatever biases you has before, you’ll have to let them go, or you’ll just end up like Ercole.
Be it if you’re LGBTQ+, or have anything else that you have to hide because of peoples prejudice, you’ll find someone like Giulia who will support you and be that friend.
“Silenzio Bruno!” Me: “We don’t talk about Bruno-no-no-no-no-no.”
cant wait to get my heart broken whenever yall do encanto that movie hit me in the FEELS
I cried so much with Encanto ... that movie hit me hard... soooooo hard
waiting for them to do Encanto aAAAAAAA magnificent film!
@@conniegutierrezvargas8567 32 year old male, I cry every time I watch it. Hearing my wife’s stories about her Abby (Abuela) and about her heritage and pride just really get me twisted up. It really is such a beautiful, uplifting movie!
I watched it yesterday and now the caterpillar song basically makes me cry on command. Darn you Disney.
@@Colopty Same! I’ve watched the entire movie twice so far , and every time the waterworks come when that sequence plays! (I’m even tearing up just thinking about it. It is the most heartstring tugging moment to ever come out of a Disney film, at least in my personal opinion)
Giulia is one of my fave characters in the movie, if not my fave. She's just SO SWEET and such a good friend, espec to Luca! What a sweetheart! Such a great character!
I used to go to church a lot and not feeling welcome, because I’m a part of the lgbtq+ community, it means a lot hearing stuff like this, you guys are truly life changing
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@@xd._.28234I am sorry, but I just died laughign with the Ercole pfp, 😂
@@joaopaulolimacavalcante3050 Lmfao
He fr has that drunk vibe face kid that won't ever stop having wine at the disco
Great video! Would love to see you two react to Disney's "Encanto" where it deals with heavy themes such as generational trauma and possible Impostor Syndrome, plus more. It would be really interesting to hear your thoughts on it :)
Imposter Syndrome?
also random tidbit ofinformation, Alma and the triplets all represent a person in a toxic family
Alma being the abuser, Juleita being the fixer etc.
@@ShadowSailor ah okay
Encanto is SO incredible. I started off feeling like I identified with Mirabel, thinking I was the kid who wasn’t “special,” then I realized “no wait, I was the gifted kid in the family!” and I was like oh crap am I Luisa? I want to just watch it over and over again.
@@bitchenboutique6953 do it!!! Every time I watch it I feel like I discover something new. I love it sooooo much!! New fav Disney movie 💛💙❤️
I recommend rise of the Guardians because it covers isolation as well as trust issues, fear, a touch of family, self discovery. I also love this film personally because I love Jack Frost and the way he expresses his emotions in different scenarios and the fact that they differ depending on who hes around
oh god yes that was one of my favourite movies for so long i'm actually gonna go watch it now i think
I love RotG! It’s one of my favorite Dreamworks movies.
I would watch that
That line about "You're not black enough" hit me like a truck. I always spoke in a kind of "proper" maybe a little surfer dude (Ironic as I've never been to a surfing beach and don'tknow how to swim) but I always got comments growing up like "Wow you speak so proper" like it always kind of dug at me a little bit and made me realize I spoke in a different way to most black kids. It got worse as I got older with my aunt flat out calling me an "oreo" which I didn't know until a friend explained it to me and well to say I didn't handle it well hearing something like that from a member of my own family is really REALLY underselling it.
Having rewatched this after someone took away my choice to come out, boy does it hit hard. I wish that everyone would be able to have the chance to choose when and how to come out. It's already difficult enough.
This movie has quickly become a comfort movie for me, it's just so adorable and so well made. Every time I watch the end, seeing Luca hang off the side of the train enjoying the rain as it pans to the sky, my heart swells with the music and I get chills everytime
The story of Luca resonated to me as a very real thing that happened/happens to many people within the lgbt+ community. Doesn’t mean necessarily the characters are part of that community. It just resembles it to me, heavily. When everyone calls them monsters and says they are disgusted, and then the grandma’s message at the end, it just seems obvious to me. I love this movie. It can be interpreted in so many different ways for so many people who have gone through something.
Its crazy to me that people see luca as a story about friendship. To be it's extremely clear its about a gay couple, and i love it for it. I definitely think this is what the creators had in mind and i wish disney let them go all the way
I love the video "Are they gay?" made about it. It points everything out so clearly. I 100% agree it's extremely gay coated
@@Sarah-og3mp They're not gay, the creator said so himself, they're not at that age where you love someone romantically. They're just friends being friends.
I think it talks about discrimination in general. And I don’t think the lgbtq+ community is the solely owner of it.
@@bigsistahtips clearly didn’t read the part in my comment where i mention that. Obviously it doesn’t only resonate with one community. This is my opinion, how it resonated to ME. I can’t speak for anyone else. See in my original comment; “It can be interpreted in so many different ways for so many people who have gone through something.” Jesus.
I'm an almost 30yr old Black American pansexual female! The movies of the recent years have helped me immensely and though I Seriously struggle with my mental health and self love, this channel helps to give me moments of light in the darkness and feeling in the void. Thanks for doing what yall do together
I'm an animator, not for Pixar, with ADHD, depression, and an anxiety disorder. I didn't know that Pixar developed 3d motion blur. It's been a part of the software since I started learning it back in '04 so that was cool to learn.
"I think in every community I’ve ever been (in), the other is vilified and someone to be afraid of. If we share who we are just to share who we are, not with an agenda to convert anyone to our way of thinking, not with an agenda to change anybody else, but just to share who we are, we’re all healthier for it and we are not living in fear. There is joy and growth on the other side of fear and insecurity, and that’s when we should say 'Silenzio Bruno!' and just plow ahead."
-Jonathan Decker, Licensed Therapist
What you said at the beginning of this video is so beautiful. I had tears in my eyes. I have typed this up, put a picture of Jonathan and Alan with their logo and the movie poster, printed it out, and put it in my classroom. The kids have only noticed the poster and haven't read the quote. That's okay 😊👍
The queer metaphor of this movie stunned me the first time I saw it. It may not have been the intent (though the director has said he is happy that lgbt+ people view it as such)
I’m a 30 year old bisexual, and I can’t explain how much the movie means to me. It reminded me so deeply about a summer I shared, years ago, with the first girl I ever fell in love with. Brought back those amazing memories and for that, I’ll always treasure it.
yeah I instantly got queer vibes from this movie and it made me tear up multiple times because of it. it feels like such an accurate and painful metaphor (in a good way) for how it feels to be queer and come out. it was bittersweet to me and left me an emotional wreck at the end of it due to my own experiences.
Wtf, they're just kids
@@eeeeyyy8182 same old non-answer to the annoying response… (they’re just kids!) apparently gay people were never kids lmao grow up
@@eeeeyyy8182 queer kids exist
@@eeeeyyy8182 ooooohhhh the horror, queer kids, terrifying
I'm polyamorous and really only accepted that a few years ago, well into my 30's.
I feel the most myself and honest I've ever been, less disconnected from the world and people, and closer to my current partner than I've ever been with anyone.
I don't like to think of the time wasted coming to this place, but be happy that I still have so much more to experience inside of it. 💕
As someone who's Neurodivergent, the whole concept of "normal" is something I've never understood. I can understand the need to feel connected or understood, but those aren't the same.
I've lived my whole life feeling like a "fish face", like I can't fit in and I'm just some weird freak that scares people. No matter how much I "changed my skin", no matter what personality quirks I adopted, I wouldn't fit in. Hell, there's even a term for this in ASD (Autism Spectrum Disorder), it's called Masking, where you recognise that something is wrong and you unintentionally mimic things other people do to try to fit in.
I've never been normal, and hearing people say "I just want to be normal" is so heartbreaking for me because I've never been forced to BE normal.
So for anyone out there struggling to be normal, just stop. You won't be normal, you never were and never will be normal. And that's OK, that's brilliant in fact, because you have something normal people never will have. You have a chance to inspire and teach people to understand you, and I think we can all agree the world needs a bit more understanding
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Don’t you think you can say encouraging words without putting in the gatekeeping idea of “normal people will never have what you have”?
And also the idea that “you will never be normal”? I get you’re trying to say they should stop warping themselves to fit in arbitrarily, but saying it that way just sounds… wrong.
@@littlemoth4956 well it’s true. You weren’t born with a base set functioning brain. It has abnormalities. Maybe it’s difficult to accept yourself as different but while you can pretend your brain will still always work that way. People should be able to love themselves the way they are. Different.
I agree a lot with the original comment but also with Little Moth.
As a child I was always terrified of not being normal. Fascinatingly (that's not a word I suppose but I like it anyway :D) I didn't really try to fit in though. Maybe I just didn't know how, maybe I already knew that wouldn't be right, in any case, I really suffered. So the original comment resonates a lot with me for the notion of "you don't have to be normal, you are like you are and that's great".
But I'm not neurodivergent, I don't think I could get a diagnose for anything. And also I had and sometimes still have the problem that I want to be better than other people and always try to find ways in which I am special. Which is exhausting and absolutely doesn't fit with my values.
And that's why I want to ask the question: What is neurodivergency? There aren't switches in the brain which go like "and now you're autistic" or "and now you have ADHD". People have certain traits and some traits tend to go together with others (biology and so on) and when you have strong traits that are not as accepted in society it can be helpful for you to get a diagnose. But it's not a switch, it's a spectrum. That's why autism can show itself in so many different ways. And that's why there are people like me who couldn't get a diagnose but who have traits that sometimes made life really difficult for them.
So telling people they're better than "normal people" can't be the right way. I would rather go like: "You can find a lot of strengths in the way you are and use them to live your life in a fulfilled way." That works without comparing yourself to other people and without downgrading people.
I've been told this is a fun movie. When I first saw the ads for it, I found the art style very refreshing.
Side note: Really hope you guys can check out Encanto soon. When I went to go see it with my sister, 10 minutes in we were both thinking, "Can't wait to see Cinema Therapy react to this one!"
Omg, I thought the exact same thing!
They did a video for generational trauma and I hope they do it again
yesss pleasee
It's a very family focused movie so Jonathan should have plenty to say based on his experiences as a family counselor ^^
When I was younger I was made to feel ashamed of my love for Disney, Toys and other related things because "those are for kids". I have stopped that 100% because I am proud of who I am and what I offer. My love for all of those things and more has made me a fun-loving person and I encourage others to do the same.
I'm very hard on myself, and my coworker who has been super influential in giving me confidence told me about the concept of giving personification to the negative voice in my head, naming it, and telling it to shut up anytime it speaks lol
Though that somewhat works, I was never fully comfortable with being at war with myself like that. Then it hit me that the negative voice is just trying to protect me. Be it from disappointment, heartbreak, or even feeling worse about myself. And that key made it easier to break down what my internal monologue is saying and why it's telling me I'll never be enough, why I shouldn't try, etc. If you're really going to give your internal voice a name and personification, make it multidimental like any other part of you and realize it's not all bad :>
I literally watched Luca today and found it amazing! I wanted to respond to your question at the end of the video, because this has been weighing on me for the past 8 months and I keep procrastinating on dealing with it so….
I discovered last summer that who I was was just a façade I was keeping up, and I didn’t want to be a boy anymore. Every time I’m too scared to talk about it with my family, because I’m just too scared of how they might react. This movie and your analysis of it just absolutely warmed my heart and I feel like I can soon say “silencio Bruno!”. I’m still scared but keeping it to myself without doing anything is just hurting me so… I just wanted to thank you guys!
As a trans guy, take your time! You don't have to tell your parents, especially if you don't know how they'll react. Your safety is the most important here! I'm guessing you still live with your parents, so it'll be definitely hard. But, experiment and explore, if you can. You don't gotta label yourself, but you can definitely find the one that fits the most for you. Research queer stuff on TH-cam and stuff, and if possible, make friends that'll accept you. I was lucky that most of my friends are gay, but I definitely dropped people because they were transphobic assholes. Respect your own boundaries, and practice self-care.
I know this isn't much, but from a trans person to someone who is questioning, I wish you luck on your discovery! Don't take shit from people, and stay safe. You are loved, and deserve love. Good luck, fellow human!
Being my 2 year olds favourite movie, I've seen Luca a gazillion times now. Everytime I think I'm going to be able to watch it without crying at the end he comes out with a wee "Ciao Luca" and I'm gone! Cutest thing ever!
With Spider-Man out in theaters, would you be interested in making an episode on the loss all 3 Peter Parkers have had to go through along with the responsibility they have to shoulder.
I am a Mexican American Young Adult Christian and it's very easy for me to support Cinema Therapy as I am fascinated by film, as well as psychology, but I always stop watching their videos with such peace. Which I thank God for making sense of that after witnessing Licensed Therapist, Jonathan Decker confess Christ on camera 🙂 I honestly feel so proud of him and absolutely adore Alan Seawright for supporting Jonathan's faith, they are so inspiring to be who I was made to be for the Kingdom of God. 🙏🏼 Thank you for sharing and giving me a space to comment, but may God bless y'all beyond measure 💗
I'm a Christian too and I love his videos!