Playing Preflop Poker The RIGHT Way | SplitSuit
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- Take the free preflop quiz BEFORE watching this video! redchippoker.com/preflop-poke...
SplitSuit takes the popular ‘Preflop Poker Quiz’ from Red Chip Poker and shares not only his own answers, but compares them to the average answers shared by other poker players. This video looks at default preflop lines when facing limpers, preflop raises, squeeze opportunities, and looks into refined topics like bet sizing.
All of these hands are from live poker $1/$2 and $2/$5, although the concepts are universal for online and 6max players as well. Enjoy and remember to ask any questions you have down below!
Loved the quiz and the approach. Hoping to see the next one soon as it definitely improves our approach to the game and also give a better understanding of how to play at certain situations. @Splitsuits Thanks a ton for sharing your learning videos, ideas and approach to the game,it has helped me improve my game a ton and helps me to keep working on it and taking it to the next level..
You're very welcome and I'm glad you liked it!
Great video, looking forward to see more of them in that quiz style :)
Would love the same quiz with postflop scenarios! Loved it
Thanks James! love the interactive quizzes, get me to "think" more instead of just watching and hopefully absorbing the info. Please do more! appreciate your work!
You're very welcome. I didn't know people would enjoy this kind of video as much as they did - I'll be sure to review some of my other quizzes like this too! If you want to get a head start on my other ones, check them out here: www.splitsuit.com/poker-lessons-quizzes
I like this quiz, hope you do more. Helps improve my game.
This is an amazing video dude. Helping sooo much
Loved this concept, I'd love to see more of this, especially with some harder questions. The majority of these questions were pretty simple and/or standard. A survey of some tough decisions would be very enlightening. Loving the content james, keep up the great work!
I think I may be making a new quiz soon - will certainly be tougher =)
Loved the video. It's very helpful. Thanks!
Cool video, I took the quiz when it was released and this makes the quiz feel more complete to me
Great quiz and breakdown video.
Really good even for just playing with friends.
Great content - really nice to think about what I would do vs. your thoughts on the same hand. Thanks!
I love it! I would love to see more!
thx, Split. this was a good preflop refresher.
Highly appreciated and very useful video, especially combined with the quiz. Would love to see more similar quiz-video combinations on the channel. Keep it up! :)
Woot - I'm glad you liked it!
This was fantastic. Thanks for producing it. I particularly liked your editorial to Q14 regarding people fooling themselves. I am probably one of the culprits. :D
Thanks Tomo - and glad you now have something to explore!
Loved this! You are on to something with this format.
Noted, thanks John!
This is a great video and goes very well with the quiz. The quiz was very interesting and I like the various options. Definitely would like to see more like this. Thanks!
You're very welcome Phil - I'm glad you liked it!
i hope you do more of these
Ive learned a bit here and there. Thank you.
Very informative Split Suit. Thank you
Cool video, very helpful.
cool points thanks. especially cool point about difference in perceived value of AJ v AT. Also good point about quiz making and putting in at least 1 anti troll question lol
Thank you so much for this video....I have a long way to go....Well presented and easily understood even for me...
You're very welcome Connie!
Great job thanks for your effort
Nice video. In third hand what would you do if one of the villains four bets your 3 bet with AT? Fold at that point? With so many still in, I might lean towards initial fold unless I knew opponents not capable of 4bet. If I were AT suited or maybe A5, A4 suited then maybe more comfortable with 3bet
Hey, love your videos! I have a question for you/potential vid subject. I'm finding very small c-bets in micros (.05/.10 to .25/.50) to be massively effective. Say you raise to 3x in late position with A5s, BB defends, and the flop comes a total brick for you... J72 rainbow with a backdoor FD. BB checks, and there are 6.5 BBs in the pot. Related to your concept of opponent elasticity, I think most fish are indifferent here between a 2 BB bet and a 4 BB bet, and saving those 2 BBs when your fishy opponent annoyingly has J2o is super valuable. And when you have a good hand, you can just bet more... fish won't notice! And maybe even against slightly more sophisticated opponents, you could use this on some nutted hands that block a lot (say, AA on A97 board), to defend your c-bet range and encourage more elastic players to come along for the party when you actually do have a nutter. Thoughts?
Thank you, learning a lot from video.
Love this video! Your others are great for theory, math, etc., but this helps to put some real-life examples to it. I'm the type of person who likes to spend over 50% of my time taking practice quizzes/doing practice questions when prepping for an exam. This is "kind of" like that. More more!
Side-note: I would love to see some of these hands "play out" with difference scenarios. For example, you 3 bet with queens in the cutoff, 2 others you have position on call, and the flop comes K 9 7 rainbow. One of them raises 1/3 the pot. What do you do when it gets to you? Something like that (just off the top of my head!)
How would this differ in a tournament setting, just slightly tighter right?
98.9. Phew! Great content as always, Split!
Wow Split... fantastic video! I love the concept and how many people participated in the survey. Please make more similar videos. I've always liked your videos and they are only getting better! By the way, I tend to agree with the majority votes. One thing I find a bit odd is all the people opening from early position with a 5x and 7.5x rather than the standard 2.5x or 3x. I would default fold to these larger sized raises from early position with marginal hands like AT and A3s without specific reads on my opponents, but I'm a proud nit who plays 24/10/3 online. I like your analysis of AJ compared to AT. I hear you about being aggressive, but I find it amazing how often the passive road is often the correct road. I like to play "passive aggressive"... for example, flatting with QQ or AK and then playing favorable flops with aggression. I only 4bet jam AK versus fish I have confident reads on. I'm a fan of folding those pretty middle suited connectors. One dude put it really good... what are you most likely to make with that sort of hand.... a pair... and then you're stuck with a one middle pair hand and obliged to call more streets drawing to 2 pair, etc, just compounding problems and spewing money. I like to fold them out and play the big hands or get in for cheap from the sb or bb. Dump them as well as smaller pairs from the cut off and button because you're fucked if the blinds squeeze. Mind you I've polished my games by logging over 500K Zoom hands just in the past year. Of course I would loosen up in regular or live games.
last question JTs is a hand that work well with multiway pot why isolate at all cost ?
I don't raise as much or as often as the video suggests, mainly because I sometimes don't get as much action as I'd like. Does this imply that my table is too nitty and that I need to table change or do I adapt and raise less and less often to play more hands?
77% I'm pretty happy with that score considering about a week or so ago it would have been a lot lower. Thanks to your vids I've been watching this past week. After doing this quiz I feel I might even do better if I did it again. :) Thank you James. I have a lot of trouble following most poker vids because they either talk to fast/loud or its way too complicated.
Great video.
Great job.
Thanks Stavros!
NITs everywhere...
Hey Splitsuit. I was in a 1/2 scenario like the one mentioned at 14:23 with the pocket fours. Actually its more similar to the pocket 33 because I was the original raiser from UTG+1. I raise it to $12 and get 2 callers, then a guy from like hjack/cutoff raises to $45, (he only has like 140 behind), he gets a caller from someone on his left (not the blinds, button I think) And then it folds to me. I took some time because I wasnt sure what to do. I realized I shouldve studied effective stacks and implied odds a little more at this point. plus I still had two guys to the left of me so I wasnt sure what they were going to do. do the times they shove and im forced to fold preflop justify a fold there ? because I folded and I knew if I didnt hit a set I would most likely have to fold on the flop. Which I actually ended up doing, after the two guys to my left both cold called the extra $33. I wouldve hit a set, and then the original raiser with 140 behind shoves when it gets to him. Wouldve won a big pot if I called but felt like I would be burning money when I fold. This is the type of conundrum I find myself in because in tournaments I would set mine there because the chips arent worth a lot if there arent a lot of them you know so risking portions of them make since to increase it in the long run but in cash games, in weird scenarios like this with wild semi unknown players im not sure what to do. Ive seen preflop action before in the weekly home game I go to where a lot of regs come to and I myself have started becoming a reg. Thanks in advance, sorry for the long message I just have been struggling on this scenario
hey Split!!!the best content on youtube brother!tnx
Thank you so much for the kind words Andy!
Ak utg or qq kk aa utg...
Do you limp wait for a 3bet or open raise.
Sometimes when i limp, happened to be no raiser and in the end going into the flop with a premium hand, creating problem for myself post flop.
You mentioned that one question was meant to be a live situation. Did you specify live vs. online in the test questions? Aren't the answers to these questions potentially different depending on table make up even before you have any hand history on anyone? I'm thinking a casino table where there are obvious drunks/partiers playing. In that situation, I am making my range way wider when playing against these types of players.
Very good video !! Thanks
You're very welcome!
In the hands where flatting is the recommended answer with mid/small suited connex/1-gappers wouldn't we want to have deeper stacks than we saw in the examples? Something in the ballpark of 20x the open for 56s or better and 30x for gappers?
As always another great vid...thanks for all your works that goes into making these.
Not sure if its been mentioned already but could you do a vid showing your two cards which have missed the flop, explain whether to 'C' bet, check-check raise etc?
My main weakness is missing the flop then wasting chips with C bets & bluffing too often.
Thanks Tony! There are a lot of good CBing videos on Red Chip Poker that would go much further into depth and would likely be right up your alley...
I realized I know what Im supposed to be doing but I play on the tighter side. I play 2-100 spread live because my state isnt a true NLHE state, so that game is a bit different. If you 3bet and 4 bet a lot you create large pots that price people in and you limit your ability to deny equity on the turn. So you see some light 3betting and some cold 4s with lots of pre flop folds.
Question 5 is a good example, my instinct is to squeeze but in 2-100 I almost never take that line. Wondering what your thoughts are on squeezing in spread limit.
Thanks for the videos James.
this was great. Definitely got me to sign up for redchip lol I scored 88% not bad. I do think i answered a few questions with some strange bias knowing the answers would be compared to other people. I would NEVER flat AA in that spot in an actual game but answered that way for who knows what reason on the quiz... anyways would LOVE to see more of these in the future.
I would really like to take the quiz but I can't see the numbers.
There are folders in this game. I could have a future in this game. Great lesson!!
depends on player , and also how my cards are running.
at off is a cold call mostly.
if you rise with a10 aj preflop , even tho you have position , what happens when you get called and miss the flop like totally ?!? and what hppens when you get 4bet preflop ? is there something im missing ? is this just to squeeze and take the blinds right in that moment or what ? i see it as an oportunity to get into a huge mess with cbets or bluffs afterwards , where i can just wait for a better hand to do that. some pro can explain ?
i got 93.2 which is better than i thought because a couple plays i was a bit iffy on.
at 17:34 that j10 suited hand. is making it 8x after just 1 limper not insanely big? or has this to do with the deep stack (350bb)? since I play online with a starting stack of 100bb i'm not used to opening this big. use to think standard 3x open +1bb cause of the limper= opening at 4x.
Hey Danny, that is the default sizing formula, yes (3x+1bb/limper). However, I explain my thoughts about the larger sizing in this podcast episode: redchippoker.com/attacking-limpers/
Great quiz. Thank you. I'd folded the AKs, because have info that EP3 player opens only AA )
The j10 discussion is very interesting. Maybe I'm just addicted to suited connectors but it seems like a no brainer open to me, plays well multiway, can call some squeezes depending on stack depth/sizing, connects with tons of flop textures, ect ect.
Agreed. I'm never folding j10 there.
Me neither, not folding or calling. If I get re-raised I would evaluate. If I were in the BB or LP and someone else has raised I would call that so why not raise myself.
hi - little confused here, in your common leaks (cold calling video), you show folding AQo against an EP raise, flatting AK against MP open, and folding 44 and 56s in the blinds. here, you show squeezing AT/AJ, calling with 8Ts and pocket pair in the blinds. perhaps i'm not getting the nuances of why, can you please elaborate?
tks so much
Also when ur raising your going for "yeah you better fold" raise sizes to me, is that because its safer to only take ur queens against 2-3 others? And would be trying to milk the other players another street just too risky in the long run to really run a profit off consistently?
This was a great exercise / video. Thanks.
I, knowingly, chose a couple of "nitty" folds.
An occasional pre-flop fold is the least expensive "mistake" that I can make.
So, I'm still basically still satisfied with my answers.
I do get your points though.
Cheers
You're very welcome Darcy!
In my opinion the QJ hand is a better spot for squeezing than the A10 or even AJ hands. Reason being the position of the opener. In both A10 and AJ the opener is MP with standard size bet, which can mean premium or a hand that dominates ours. Im not saying squeezing is not justifiable there, I just think is safer doing it in the QJ situation, which Im surprised Splitsuit recommended to fold; in it, opener is in steal position which widens his range enough to be a safer squeezing spot. What are your thoughts?
I have a question which is not quite related to the topic but still very important: "How one doesn't go on TILT after several BAD-beats in a row. Like if suppose I've been on a downeard spiral for a few days abd now when I have perfect spot to double up I loose to incredible suck-out (like runner-runner or 2-outer and so on) And ok, I can handle 2 of these...but when I have like more than 3 in one session....I just loose it. It seems that something is rigged or just made this way so that I should lose.." How can I handle these emotions.
Fucking loved this did very well on it (paused the video) I would love to see more quizes like this and maybe next time throw in some spr training. I've watched all your videos definately my favorite poker vlog youtuber keep up the great work
Noted for sure Jeremy. I'm so glad you enjoyed it!
Great video , Can you do the same video format for each street?
Very possible =)
Players at my limit tend to value suitedness and connectedness over high-card-equity.
Lots of players at my level think having two face cards [AJo / KQo / KJs] is *way* better than having a hand like ATo.
(this is in regards to the whole "AJ being valued *way* higher than AT thing" and the "lying about opening JTs from early middle)
I'm kind of amazed that I answered the same as him for every question, I thought my preflop game was pretty bad
3 bet AT off plays bad post flop suited im definitely love it if it was suited but off fold. Not opening JT suited middle position is crazy. This was posted in 2017 though so times have changed
I absolutely loved this video, nice idea (I'm probably a bit biased because I got a pretty good 89% score on the quiz). Maybe do something similar for post-flop?
Hi SplitSuit, would you say that these insights apply equally to the microstakes?
Conceptually - yes.
Why does a more loose aggressive strategy make sense at the micros where you probably find yourself sitting with calling stations? Wouldn't the "nittier" lines be more profitable there?
Sure - but you don't need to exclusively play the nuts vs calling stations. You can easily widen your value range since they have so many postflop leaks...
3:50 ATo in the CO with 4x raise and call in front of you. I would not 3b here. In the games I play I am guaranteed a call, probably 2 calls. Even in position AT is not what you want in a bloated pot.
BTW, what's with the monster raises? I haven't seen raises like these in more than 10 years.
Very good informative video ...
Extremely surprised you're folding J10H I would definitely be open raising
Thanks! And yeah, with info my answer can swing wildly with JTs there =)
This was the question i was most surprised by as well. I for sure would open raise. Admittedly though, i sometimes get myself in trouble with dominated hands like KQ, KJ, and QJ. Thanks for the video! Gave me a lot to think about.
Great idea for a video and I appreciate the discussion in the comments as well. I think that the "default" answer is the one that you ar most likely to employ given know other information about the game almost as if it were the first decision that you had to make in the game that might be questionable. I found myself thinking about how often I might use each of the options just to establish table image in the games that were presented. And I think that my answers agreed with your line of thought in all but the last question. I don't agree with risking $16 to win $5 when I find it unlikely that you will actually have zero opponents here without having more information. I feel that as a default that I am much more likely to flat or raise a small amount and want a multi-way confrontation with JTs and build a pot for cheap rather than risk a lot and bloat a pot. In live games I tend to get looked up more when my opponents don't know me and I don't know them and so I tend to be more passive and set up my table image as a nit or weak-passive at first while I learn the nuances of the game and then switch gears later on.
I'm using a VPN and re-direct states "blacklisted".
Does people maybe tend to be nitty because they are used to Zoom tables?
Certainly possible - but I don't know if Zoom players dominated the sample size of those that took this quiz.
I think if we are 3betting AToff, AJoff, KQoff, some suite connectors, we going to have too many bluffs in our 3bettting range dont u think? I would fold AToff in that spot. I like to have a more balanced strategy.
Rafael Pegas agreed, we can't take EVERY squeeze spot
When does balance matter?
Rafael Pegas In terms of a "balanced strategy" you're right imho. But I think that balance becomes more and more irrelevant the more callers a raiser has, so I need to add more bluff hands when there are a lot of callers...
Marcus Kraßmann you've got that backwards. The more callers the less bluffs you want.
Postflop, yes. But pre?
Splitsuit, I'm really curious to how the grading works.
Hey Albert. It's listed on the page for the quiz: "the algorithm for scoring is a hybrid between my personal answers and the answers given by the community"
t8s i do all 3 in 6max but fullring im more likely to fold because we are oop and can easily be dominated in everway
I think Q-9 was the only one I missed. I chose smooth call w/the thinking that the stacks behind would make a move for the dead money in the pot ESPECIALLY the 1.2k on the bttn. That way I would come over the top of them and jam. However not sure on that thinking here maybe someone could answer.
Fold ace 3 suit but not 8-10? Is that because 8-10 has higher odds to get a straight than a3? Or is it because youve got a better chance at a mid pair?
1. You don't close the action in the A3s scenario -- you could face a 3-bet behind you. 2. You're getting 1.4:1 odds with the A3s and 4:1 odds with the T8s. 3. If you flop top pair with the A3s you could be good but don't really know if you face any heat, especially since an ace on the flop will frequently be bet by your opponent(s) representing a pair of aces (with a better kicker), whereas if you face heat with top pair with T8s it's easier to get away from, especially if an over card comes on the turn or river -- which amounts to losing less with the T8s overall when you connect with the board but lose. 4. You can't make the nut straight using both cards with A3s, but you can with T8s, plus it's easier to make a straight. 5. On the other hand, A3s will make the nut flush whereas the T8s won't. Calling with T8s is a no-brainer, mainly for the first two reasons -- closing the action and 4:1 odds. Calling with A3s is a close call, imo, and I would frequently do so in most games I play, but I may be wrong to do so.
so on the pocket 3s it looked like my starting stack was 200, if thats correct then your saying set mining for 11% or 12% of your stack with pocket 3s is okay.....?
id do it with A Q off for 12% on even money... if that helps you figure me
huh? On the first hand (with 33) Hero starts with 1.7K...
Fold J 10 suited in mid position I could never 😂😂 calling any 3bet hoping nobody 4 bets, I’ll fold to a 4 bet
The only that is killing me is the pocket 33s. Listening to Johnathan Little, pocket 33s has great implied odds in late position. However, in early position and Blinds, he recommended folding. Due to the fact that you can make bottom set at best and you set your self up in a horrible spot in later streets. What do you guys think?
That its wrong. How are you ever in a horrible spot with a flopped set enough times to be so afraid of it?
Isn't calling the pocket 3's in the first scenario abit odd? Unless you hit your set (which you are unlikely to do), you will most likely be behind on the flop. So the most likely scenario is for you to call 20$ just to fold the flop anyway.
MartialNico that’s what I was thinking. But the fact that he has a deep stack makes it worth the call to catch your set. But I’m definitely folding early in a tournament
I can see folding the 3s raising sometine to mix it up but raise to 40 calling is best
I learned more from reading these comments than any poker book.
hmmm... I wonder if the score means anything? 95.5% and I am a losing player last 14 months live. Am I suppose to score high in this quiz or the lower the better?
A higher score is better =)
i took the test like you said.. think it as default.. so i did it fast.. 86% i thought it as a tournament player, which i am. so the sizing quizzes went wrong because of that.. smaller will do the same job and give better odds for your steals in tournament poker. and that AT spot is waayyy different from that AJ one imo. it was close between 3bet or fold... but risking too many chips in a close spot against probably dominating range isnt a default option in my mind.
In one life to live (MTTs), that makes more sense. When a reload is as simple as reaching in my pocket and the longer lasting value of my image benefits me - I don't mind defaulting more aggro.
yeah for sure -b Love your videos, keep em coming! :)
Hey James! Hope you're okay!!
I'm calling and set mining pocket 3s
The text on top of the bar chart bars is difficult to read for colourblind people (deutan).
I don't think squeeze should be your "default" with AT there. It's a play to do some percent of the time but probably not more than not
I think all three options with qjo are ok. calling is the worst probably but you havent really provided a good reason not to 3b, we have decent blockers and our hand is connected and make some nut straights and reasonable top pairs.
I dislike QJ due to lack of blockers (reduces outright preflop folds) and I think postflop is rougher as well. You certainly could 3bet it - but I'd prefer to have a bit of info on FE before adding hands like QJo into my squeeze range here.
Shouldn’t you always be raising the same amount pre-flop as to not give away your hand?
Only one i disagree with is the pocket 3's at the very start. I get youre trying to set mine but 5x BB 4 handed is just so pricey for such a small pair. Maybe im just too nitty and ill try ur way but i just see myself running out of 5 blinds 88% of the time
this is the guy I would defiantly target
I think I’m the last one the reason for the sizing is they people are online players or mostly taught by online players, so they don’t get live poker
im a nit LAG who plays for stacks based on feel.. i steal small pots been on both sides of coolers and i dont like the idea of committing 12% of my stack without 4 to1 on my money.. espc to setmine with 3s
Not sure if you are joking - but your numbers are an absolute mess on the 33 hand lol
Just wanted to rant a little about what happened to today at a poker table. 1-2 no limit poker and I 3 bet my opponents raise of 12 to 50. he calls. I was holding pocket Aces of course and then the flop shows up, nothing was suited but there was a Q, J And 5. ok I all in (300 was max buyin) and he thought a while and then calls. turns a 9, rivers a 9. then he showed me his hand, a 9 and 5 offsuit and he somehow manages to get a full house over my pocket Aces. Crazy people out there. who calls 50 in a 1-2 no limit game with 5,9 offsuit?
Very informative... Now I just need the balls to actually make these decisions... lol
What about reverse implied odds in hand 1?
of what, coolers? By that logic, should you really play any hand because - you know - you could always lose it?
no... just small pocket pairs. When there's set over set in multi way pot (which will happen a lot) you want to be the guy with the higher set, not lower.
Sure, then you should also fold suited connectors (I mean, you could get beaten by a higher flush), and fold KQ because you could lose to AK. Fear of rare coolers will keep you folding far too often and missing +EV spots (even though losses are baked into the overall EV)
Hmm let's see pocket 3s... leaves 11 possible higher pocket pairs. Total nine players at the table. Got a cool formula to calculate the chance somebody at the table has a higher pocket pair. It's not completely accurate but good enough. It's (amount of higher pairs) * (opponents at table) / 2 =
11 * 8 / 2 = roughly 44% chance somebody has a pocket pair higher than your 3s.
If you flop your set, they got only 2 cards to flop the set. So that makes their chance to flop the set about 8%, I'd guess?
So you're talking about 3-4% of your sets of 3s being dominated by a higher set on the flop. Big enough of a deal to be folding your 3s? :P
Scored 87%
I was really surprised about folding QJ off on the $12 bet. I'm surprise with A10 or AJ a 3bet is the best but QJ is a fold? I would be pretty happy seeing QJ off, but I'm a very new player and would love reasoning for the decision. Cheers
Btw love the channel, so much good content
I'm so glad you are digging the channel!
If you call the QJo you are almost certainly going 4way to the flop (since the open-limper almost certainly calls), if not even more to the flop. That makes the SPR less attractive and it'll be quite difficult to figure out when single pairs are worth holding on to and when you should let go of them.
93,2% not bad :D