MASSIVE Leak, Folding Too Much In Poker | SplitSuit
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 11 ก.ค. 2024
- While fishy poker players fold too rarely, many regs are folding too often in today's games. Folding may seem harmless since you avoid losing big pots, but losing heaps of small-medium pots is a massive leak. This video looks at #folding from a 10,000-foot view and gives you some simple ways to improving your continuance frequencies ASAP.
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0:00 How Much Do You Fold?
1:58 Why Folding Too Much Hurts You
6:10 Preventing Auto Profit Bets For Opponents
10:59 How Often Should You Fold?
12:20 How to Continue With More Hands
17:22 Get the 1% Course - เกม
If you are playing lower stakes like 1c/2c in poker stars, there are many players who basically fit-or-fold. If these players choose to fire back, you are facing top pair or a very strong draw AT THE LEAST. Although I'm far from being a solid regular, as a low-stake habitant I am quite sure that you should fold most of your hands in low-stake games unless you know that your opponent is very aggressive. And you should almost NEVER bluff when you face a raise post-flop because these players will rarely give up their top pairs.
Of course in games between regulars I believe that his advice is very important. Just not fit for beginners' games.
I've found this to be true (too a slightly less consistent extent) for $1/$2 live games too!
Awesome video bro, thanks for all the advice. Its appreciated!!
"A napkin and a Charizard card" LOL
Could be a holographic napkin
better than aces
I can get on board with the idea that many players do in fact fold too often. However I think the advice in this video encourages players to continue far more often than they should and minded by learning players will likely cause them to lose massively against players who are not even considering the strategy mindset that the video lays out and will quickly get frustrated with their results. (Because the players they're up against aren't betting for autoprofit but because they're fit or fold and betting fit.)
Another great video. Thank you James. BTW that is a +EV beard lol
Man, too much great poker content available on internet these days. I was i could timetravel to 2009 and grind a bit. 50 % ROI with ABC poker no sweat.
Nice video James!
Need more lowkey SplitSuit jokes! hahah napkin and charizard card, hell yes.
James, any chance you can link me to any PB videos about playing hands like low/mid-SC's, weak suited aces, etc.? Thanks!
I think Kenny Rogers wrote a song about this 😂
Coward of the county?
You gotta know when to hold 'em
Know when to fold' em
JUST REMEMBER THIS: if you never fold you can never be bluffed!
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I finally can put a face to the voice!
Unfortunate. I guess John Walker Lindh got out if jail.
You mean a beard to the voice 😄
@@FlappyBelly be nice, thats free!!
I definitely fold too much, I need to be stronger for sure. Sometimes I sense when people think i'm weak and bullying so I get tired of it until I stop and force the proof😅
I ordered your book poker math came in the mail today. I’ve had 5 strokes and my mind has really slowed down wish me luck thank you
In Micros they ALWAYS have it...FOLD & RUN !!!
I am fine with folding and calling right balance on the flop IMHO, however once the aggressor starts betting the turn and river as well, I do think at that point my fold become too frequent. I give them far more respect as once turn card hits i only have one more river card to improve my draw, plus if i put in the turn $$ call as well, unless i am strong i feel i have to consider both the turn plus a higher river bet to call as well....... Not easy situation, but i need to fix this i know.
Love this video, great points. It can be unnerving to play against someone who is extremely aggresive. Case in point. $1/$2 game. I was playing against someone yesterday who stole pot after pot. He was winning tons of small pots and a few medium ones by just betting bigger and bigger - sheer aggression. He just wouldn't let a pot go.
He was also very positionally aware and would rarely enter a pot in early or mid position.
I'm sure I folded the best hand at least twice. He started with about $250 and was over $1000 by the final hand I was in. I was dealt K 10 spades in early position decided to bump it up to $10 got 9 callers (lol).
The flop came 2 5 8 (2 spades). I bet $50 every one folded except our aggro fish who called. The turn was a 10 of clubs. I checked, he bet $175 almost full pot! I was imagining 2 pairs and sets but against someone this aggro I just can't fold top pair and flush draw. The river was another spade (2). I decided to rip it all in. (probably better to check shove but whatever). He tank called with J 6 of spades and I won a $1700 pot. He was down to less then the original $200 he started with so while being super aggressive may seem to work in the short run I question how well it works in the long run.
Game dependant. If you're playing poker, you should be constantly observing your opposition. Their ranges and tendencies should become pretty apparent. Lower stakes calling stations usually keep most tables honest. Looser games with lots of multiway action and showdowns, bluffing gonna be pretty costly.
Player pool dependent. I have been forcing my opp to show he has it and they do over and over again. I think this may apply to some games but not for micros or 1/2 for the most part.
I’m guessing you’re making other mistakes such as playing too many starting hands.
I only play Napkin Charizard if it's suited.
The truth is you just have to assess the type of opponent and adjust. Remember poker is like driving, everybody thinks they are a better player/driver than you and than they actually are, cultivate that belief and you have given them the tools to beat themselves with.
Phil, im new to poker and have tons to learn but no way in hell is there a better driver than me! It,s flat out impossible!
I dont understand 🤔
Thanks. I fold far too rarely, unless I’m tightening up and then I fold too often,
i love these players that fold too rarely , these are giveing away the most! aka passive fish! they just dont belive...so do change or not i dont know lol!
Hey there Splitsuit, do you take on students for mentoring?
Not at the moment but CORE is the course I built for exactly that purpose redchippoker.com/launch-core/
Im new to poker but my friend who is very good told me " The key to poker is aggression but the secret to poker is folding".
Omg! That’s me!
Im definitely overfolding on micro MTTs being mostly right if i saw showdown
The thing is, often you need to win 33% of the time to make profit. So you might lose 60% of the time on the river, but you only needed 33% of wins to make it a correct play. So yeah, you can be right most of the time but that alone does not make it correct. Poker is and always will be counterintuitive, that makes it hard to master.
I actually use a line of “you can call with 2 napkins and win” line at my casino. It signifies a person has been running hot.
I like "a Joker and the rules card" myself.
Tmkc bhikari mc
"they could have a napkin and a Charazard card"..... lmao!
I'm here for beard envy! ;)
You guys are fishing for the lochness monster.
Great videos but it's hard to learn because there are so many poker only terms used
We have a poker glossary you can look up terms you don't know, hope that helps! redchippoker.com/poker-glossary-terms-definitions/
Just call me foldy mcfolderson, some day's I am fearless and some days I am not...👽 Risk aversion, more like winning aversion..lol good information, thank you...
So what is the good wtsd these days let's say in nl25? Old poker books teach that wtsd 25 is optimal but I see that big winers in 2020 have wtsd like 28.
people were hardcore nits back then, 28 is good
At it's most base level, Poker is simply a game of Equity Realisation
Not really. More like poker should be a process of constant + EV building.
I seem to play calm and calculated in MTT and sng's but when I play Zoom cash after a while something snaps I become a hyper aggro maniac :(
It's good you know your trigger, see if you can digger deeper into what feels so different about Zoom that sets you off
Im so nitty i often fold the nuts
Why low stakes is hard to play and medium stakes is reasonable or even high stakes
Prefer medium rare steaks
My bad
You have more players that love poker, but don't know how to play, bc they haven't studied the game .
Because of Rake
Low stakes is hard to play only because of table dynamics. If you can’t make nuts or second nuts, there’s a good chance that someone can show up on the river and bink 2 pair to beat your TPTK. Also, your table dynamic will factor into stack depth. If you find yourself being the short stack, you will either need to chip up or get on the move list. If you can’t get on a hot streak soon enough, a lot of times you’ll end up playing marginal hands, because your big hands aren’t getting any value preflop. You will be priced out of the game, unless you are willing to gamble and chip up.
The reason I fold too much is because I tilt my tits off when I lose big pots, or even just losing a bunch of smaller pots on the spin. I've tried for 10 years to stop myself tilting but _nothing_ seems to work; so, for me at least, folding too much actually improves my WR and I have HUGE samples where I decided to stop folding vs going back to folding that proves this. If you're level headed, and you can handle swings, then I understand that over-folding is bad. But the most important thing for me is to stop myself from tilting. I don't think I've ever once tilted when I've played like a rock; contrast that with tilting _really_ hard almost every session when I've tried to "play."
8:56 42%?
Calling too much with a face-up range (esp. OOP) is asking for more trouble than over-folding IMO. Its not just how often you continue, its what form your continue range takes. Focusing on MDF is great if we want to point out gross overfolding errors or exploit those errors in others. Placing too much stock in meeting theoretically perfect frequencies vs players who are not even close to playing balanced strategies isn't going to help your winrate. Learn the theory but then figure out how to adjust it for the real world games you are playing.
Facts. At low stakes, the point is to play a good continuing range and bluff nits bottom ranges off scary boards. Most players at 1-3 are not bluffing anywhere near enough for a loose continuing range. If you have equity, play poker. If not, fold.
Alguien en español que pueda comentar algo sobre el video? 🤔
Nits are not the easiest players to spot, maniacs are the easiest players to spot and nits can be confused as maniacs if they go on a card rush or decide to start gambling....
Hi SplitSuit,
I get it but sometimes I'm... meh, not sure what to do here...
What would you do yourself in this position? (I know many would have not called pf & I know it's maybe not the best place to post it actually)
Tournament: 22.50+?22.50+?5.00 EUR Hold'em No Limit - Level XXI (5000/10000)
9-max Seat #9 is the button
Seat 1: Villain 2 (328445 in chips, 104.06 bounty)
Seat 2: Villain 5 (478145 in chips, 71.71 bounty)
Seat 3: Villain 3 (342855 in chips, 109.68 bounty)
Seat 4: Villain (132749 in chips, 22.50 bounty)
Seat 5: Villain (122983 in chips, 118.12 bounty)
Seat 6: Hero (323548 in chips, 84.37 bounty)
Seat 7: Villain 4 (461604 in chips, 87.18 bounty)
Seat 8: Villain (236422 in chips, 22.50 bounty)
Seat 9: Villain 1 (378214 in chips, 22.50 bounty)
Villain: posts the ante 1250
Villain: posts the ante 1250
Villain: posts the ante 1250
Villain: posts the ante 1250
Villain: posts the ante 1250
Hero: posts the ante 1250
Villain: posts the ante 1250
Villain: posts the ante 1250
Villain: posts the ante 1250
Villain 2: posts small blind 5000
Villain 5: posts big blind 10000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Hero [Tc 9c]
Villain 3: raises 12000 to 22000
Villain: folds
Villain: folds
Hero: calls 22000
Villain 4: calls 22000
Villain: folds
Villain 1: calls 22000
Villain 2: calls 17000
Villain 5: calls 12000
*** FLOP *** [Td Qs Jc]
Villain 2: bets 10000
Villain 5: folds
Villain 3: folds
Hero: calls 10000
Villain 4: folds
Villain 1: raises 69300 to 79300
Villain 2: calls 69300
Hero: calls 69300
*** TURN *** [Td Qs Jc] [4c]
Villain 2: bets 10000
Hero: calls 10000
Villain 1: raises 265664 to 275664 and is all-in
Villain 2: folds
Hero: ???
Btw, I bought the CORE and it's really good :) (still not finished doing it though)
Sounds like you got a flush draw plus open ended, alot depends on what he,s like but call or shove.
when he says if your opponent bets 33percent and you fold, you are folding quite often and more than the minimum defence frequency but how would i know that i need to continue 67 percent of time, how woiuld i know that my KT is or any random holding is that 67 percent
off table work.
How?
@@vishantbhatia1764 Many apps you can download for free can calculate the spot
you have to divide up your range into hands you fold and hands you continue with and then see where your specific hand fits in.
the real trick is to change your thinking - if you normally look for reasons to fold you have to look for reasons to call instead.
backdoor draws, overcards, gutshots . . . the things that you thought were "too weak to continue with" need to move into your continuation range.
as a exercise, let's say your opponent opens in early position and you call from the button w/ a 30% range of hands.
that's nearly 400 combinations (each pair is 6 combos, unsuited unpaired hands are 12 combos each, suited hands 4 combos each)
now make up a flop say Kh 9s 4h
now from your range, try to find about 280 combos to call with.
the process will give you a much better feel for what is "good enough" to continue with if you're going to call 70% of the time.
in the case of the board above, you'll end up including a bunch of hands that have 2 spades (or one decent heart!) for backdoor flush, stuff w/ gutshot or runner-runner straight potential etc.
I never fold.. lol
In your first example, wasn't the actual leak c betting too much? This all goes hand in hand, hero shouldn't c bet unless he can construct a range in which he can continue with the correct frequencies to raises
On that board texture you would want to cbet quite very frequently even if you knew your opponent was c/raising aggressively and correct (and this isn't common).
@@ThePokerBank I feel like you're misapplying concepts. If you believe that you should be c betting the king high no draw board texture frequently, that is for exploitative reasons. If you're doing something to exploit your opponents then you shouldn't turn around and try to apply MDF concepts when the frequencies are off at the beginning of the hand. Ed's book on Poker's 1% is literally my favorite poker book of all time. I've read it three times. Applying that book to this discussion, if you're c betting too frequently and then trying to defend when checked raised at optimal frequencies, you would be a fish. If you only defend the flop with the correct frequencies and then give up on later streets, it's similar to the graphics in Ed's book where it is an uneven pyramid on other streets.
All in all, I agree 100% with the concepts that you're teaching in the video, I just felt like your example was flawed. I mean no disrespect and we can agree to disagree.
@@brandondorsey7204on this specific texture it favors the in position raiser by quite a bit so while a 100% cbet frequency with modest sizing isn't perfectly balanced, it's very, very close (you would give up hundreths of a bb). Baseline MDF frequencies are adjusted by good and bad events, this flop is a rather good event.
I always fold hands I would win
Bro, the volume is too low on all your videos. Great content though
Thanks for the feedback, will see if I can boost
Idk what you got hanging on your walls, but they look like guitar pedals...I came here to study poker but I'm leaving wanting to play guitar.
0:44 did.....did you just say what I think you just said?
Bruh
How do I fold good hands I have 10 10 (Suits did not play a factor) button straddle 6$ I’m big blind 4 players call I raise to 36 button calls heads up
Flop. 10 6 J I bet 65$ villan calls turn Q I bet 100$ villan calls river K I bet 135$ villan jams how do I get away from this My hand vs his on the flop was me 98% him 2% wow
If there is ever a time to fold, it's when there is a 4-straight on board that can be made with an Ace 🤢
What? No. I dont fold.
I think you need to ease up on your expresso intake!!!
Lumberjack poker player.....
you have obviously never played pokemon
Just find some whales to play with
The stuff about "defending" Vs autoprofit bets is possibly the most misguided, completely wrong poker advice I've ever seen sincerely given
Callum Hamilton how so?
@@wendellhamilton3550 You should rarely defend at MDF. You will almost never have enough hands with equity to continue, especially at a range disadvantage.
Massive winrate=fold to much
Shave that beard, hippie.