Long Tubes OVER Shorty Headers... WORTH IT?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 25 ส.ค. 2024
- Long tube headers price, hp/torque & test drive on a 5.7L Hemi! vs Short tube headers, Charger/Challenger 5.7L Hemi with Long Tube Headers Catless mid pipes & hellcat exhaust.
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@jetlifeual - / jetlifeual
The exhaust sound is like sex to my ears damn
it sounds sooo damn awesome driving it. Making me think now of changing my exhaust lol
Wats the best type of exhaust I can get for my RT without it being obnoxiously too loud n maybe a cheap mod for better performance
@@cornellhampton6805 not sure year you have but if you want loud but without pissing people off I would go with a scat pack exhaust. Its loud af when flooring it but still easy on the ears around town
@@cornellhampton6805 I have a 2019 R/T and now considering this setup
25 whp doesn’t sound like a lot but 25whp 30 wtq you will feel and you will pick up up more through out the curve which is where it matters most.
Also forgot to mention if a cam was added later the gains would be even more then with shorty headers imo
@@maldo72 Yup! LT with a cam, and then you add in heads, is an air flow machine. Really nice difference in power gains. I might up the size to 1 7/8" over the 1 3/4" for that extra flow.
@@Jetlifeual 1 7/8 wont really make a difference on the 5.7 6.4 motor were you will see the difference in a big cube engine
agreed. it's def a noticeable difference
@@RTLife you got time on ur hands ... let's do a long tube swap lol lol love breakin ballzzzzz
700 for tuner, good performance long tubes(kooks or American racing) with high flow cats with midpipes.. looking about 2500 plus 1250 for labor/installation so around $4k. And cam with internals about 2k. 6k for a really really damn good cammed, longtube headers, tuned 5.7 😊
If u get the 5 speed it’ll be cheaper
More like 2k for headers and 6k for cam and internals
Man that RT with those longtubes sounds nasty.
I agree with you on that! Mean as hell sounding in person
Long tube headers will increase your high rpm numbers. But, you may lose some power off idle. Depends on what size your primary pipes are. So, basically if you plan on revving the engine. You will see more gain. Shorties will be better for a relatively stock engine. Long tube will greatly benefit engines with a bigger cam, higher flowing heads, tune. Or if you go forced induction. Long tube is the way to go.
yah Long tubes are great. Def the best route to go if you plan on building up a hemi for the 1/4 mile
I believe the dyno testing shows more gains at low and high rpm with longtubes on the 5.7 hemi
1 7/8 long tubes
Just wanna thank u for the helpful videos. Really love the simplicity and the lack of typical youtube bs. I will always support u and the channel. It has helped me big time on my RT. Look forward to seeing where this all leads. Thanks again and have a great birthday bro! Cheers💪😁
You're awesome! Thank you very much for all the support. I have a lot of fun making these. Really glad some of these are helpful or entertaining.
I did the same on my 2015 challenger r/t with stainless work 1 7/8 longtubes and no cats with a Jay greene tune. It definitely made it sound amazing and on cold days itll hop the tires in 3rd with a 6 speed. REALLY woke it up.
Gets that Hemi breathing! Def a solid upgrade no doubt about. Greene knows his stuff
For those 5.7 guys who would LOVE longtubes BUT either California or warranty look into the 392 or Hellcat exhaust manifolds and downpipes. They are nothing more then midlength headers and if their cats can flow 500-700hp they'll do just fine on your 5.7. I have these on my 16 R/T and because they are Dodge parts they won't void your warranty and do to my investigation they also will not void an extended warranty from Mopar. I have the 10 year 100k mile warranty and it's still in force and nothing voided or any issues with these manifolds. I wasn't able to dyno prior to their installation but on my 16 after being stuck in traffic on a 96 degree day my car put down 357 rwhp and 370 rwtq with just the exhaust manifolds and downpipes. I run a Solo catback but that doesn't do much except sound.
I've talked with a gentleman who works for the company who makes the 392/Hellcat manifolds and he claims they are tuned midlength headers. Now I'm not sure how much they're tuned but they're a great mod, direct bolt on, 50 state legal, won't void your warranty or Mopar extended warranty mod.
Def a great option & I know it will free up plenty of HP. The warranty part make this an awesome option
@@RTLife Yes sir along with the 50 state emission legal too!
Cool I know hemi fever. We are part of the same car club
Factory SRT (392/hellcat) manifolds have unequal length 1-5/8" primary tubes with a 2.75 collector. ARH has the best replacement manifold option with 1-7/8 primaries and 3" collector with a merge spike. They bolt directly to factory midpipes or aftermarket as well. But... they are $995
I love that mean sound of that hellcat exhaust and the long tubes.i just got jba long tube headers ,but it looks like I'll be getting the midpipes and changing over to 3 inch exhaust now lol
yah it really does sound great - he did a great job
Best bang for the buck finding a used Hellcat system.
Been telling you go with loooooooong tubes ...... omg they sound so good
hahaha yes you have! They really do sound great. He has a solid setup on this thing
Yes sounds as fast as it looks.. damn I'm jelly... I'll get there one day.. keep it coming man.. thanks
yah it def moves! Thank you very much
just got my 178 long tube headers from Kooks can’t wait until I install it
Marco Yecguanchuy yeah either kooks or american racing those are the best options
I was so close to doing American Racing - I hear they're probably the best for Long Tubes. Welds & air flow are top notch
R/T Life yeah american racing and kooks are the best when it comes to long tube headers I went with kooks cuz they gave me a pretty good deal but american racing is what I wanted at first but both are great
Why is krooks and American racing the best option?
Can you use American racing for Camaro
My plan for my 5.7 Chally is to put Kooks long tubes & their Green cat mids, & finish with Flowmaster Outlaw 3" to the dual rear outs.
That Hemi is going to sound like a monster!
Any video clips. Planning to do the same thing
@@allenlafaele8025 That was so long ago that I finally put everything. I did have video's of the sound, but I've since swapped out the Flowmaster cat back for aFe X-Force Mach XP & custom tips. Sounds way better now in my opinion. Very loud though! 😈 Problem is that most camera mics flatten out, so you can't truly hear the sound. 😕
5.7 done right
Agreed. It can seriously move
Nothing wrong with the 5.7 Hemi,Mopar has a cam/head kit for 75 hp !! add headers,etc really wakes up..Did that on my Wifes 2013 300S ..She now drives a new 300 S stock except cat back exhaust (dealer installed) thats all she wants..I really want to add 3.92 axle ratio lower gear would be awesome ! Best 0-60 4.89 seconds ! Sea Level West Coast !
You're right... doesn't take much to get these 5.7L Hemi's moving! Def a fun engine to mod
Link?
That 5.7 sounds like a beast
it really does - he's doing a great job
This guy put a lot of energy in think that we normally don't think right away, is awesome I love the tower bar...not offence R/T life i still love your blue beast but this one sounds awesome.
Oh this thing sounds way more vicious then what I have, hands down. His bark is louder, but my bite is stronger ;)
I did Kooks long tubes on my 5.7L, high flow catted mid pipes, Comp Cams 274 Cam, springs, etc, 180 degree stat., made 434 WHP at OST Dyno. Going back this year for a Whipple, larger diameter mids, electric cut outs, hellcat cat back, 3000 stall, 1 piece drive shaft and differential brace.... Can't wait!!!
Have you tried running it at the drag strip? Those are some solid numbers! That thing is going to be a monster when you're done.
Frank,
You get the Whipple yet? 👀
How’s the build going
@@RTLife got the blower 2 years ago had issues with the BAP all last year. She was making around 530 to the wheels. Sent it to North Carolina and got the fueling sorted out. Bought a new house, car runs great but quit taking it to the track with the new house and other family issues. Sorry for the long wait.
@@hirise9419 yep and got it all sorted out. car runs great
Dude. This thing would give my Scat Pack exhaust pipe envy. Good lord!
hahahaha - it would def be a solid upgrade!
Hey RT life your content is freaking awesome keep up the good work. I just wanted to know what are your hp and tq numbers thanks
I'm probably around 400-410whp ballpark - Thank you very much, I really appreciate the support
2 grand good lord. I paid 400 installed and my buddy took his to another shop and had his longtubes installed for 500. I ran 5% more fuel at wot all ranges for years before I got a real tune no issues. Good video
It's about $900 for an unlocked PCM & Tuner - it def all starts adding up.
R/T Life what year needs pcm unlocked
15+
Just ordered some LT for my 07 SRT8 6.1 and also de diablosport SLP tuner with tunes for CAI and headers...hope to gain at least 25hp. Just re did the whole front end suspension (shocks, coils, uppers, lowers, control arms, bushings etc) pretty excited!
The long tube sound so good but i think the feel off instant power on hwy comme from the 3.09 rear end ratio
yah the gearing does make a massive difference.
I have shorty headers now - I might buy long tubes when I get the cam and then keep the shorties for when I need to smog the car. Especially if their torque gains are similar
I was really surprised how similar the torque numbers were. His was 399 mine was 395 - so not bad at all!
Aw man the exhaust note sounds awesome. Sounds like a monster
yah it really does sound great - he has a solid setup no doubt about it
@@RTLife I want a hood like his for my RT
Man he has one bad ass mean sounding R/T! Definitely sounds as good if not better than a 392. Does he have a TH-cam channel! If not he should!👍🏽👍🏽
He has an IG - but yah I was so impressed. In person it just sounds so great. He is building that thing on point
“Unlock track mode with this button...
you have track mode? How’d you get track mode?!” When did you get track mode” 😂😂
Yeah like I once said I work for the driveshaft shop.. I build carbon fiber driveshafts.. the best worldwide hands down.. wanting to put more power in my R/T so it deserves a performance drive shaft. Check us out we do axles and drive shafts n more for anything with real power or hell stock with deep pockets.. lol
I was just bout to makea video about long tubes
Nice! They're def a solid upgrade
@@RTLife naww i spend to much pn short tubes it was the 5 reasons i wont do longtubes
Hell yeah , that exhaust set up really does sound badass
yah this thing has a monster growl. He did a solid job setting this thing up
I’d like to see you review a manual challenger 👍😁.... I have JBA shorties with flowmaster outlaws. Along with a 270 cam and custom dyno tuned all in one package. Stock 3.90 lsd, all 6speed manuals come with that gear ratio. Before I was stock besides messing with some diablo canned tunes. I really didn’t want to bother with email tunes and revisions on a stock 5.7 set up “no headers or cam” just too much involved for very little its definitely a beast now pushing 429 to the wheels revving out to 6800 easily. If I had long tubes I’m sure I’d get to 440 wheel on a dyno. Really tho custom dyno tunes with a cam and headers get you real gains, email tunes not so much. I didn’t go long tube due to clearance, I’d hate to scrape it or bust a weld on a bump. Longtubes sound great but for now I kept my cats on.
I would love to review that beast! One day man
Exhaust note ✅ but as far as performance for value not the best bang for the buck when you can buy srt manifold take offs for $200 that’s basically a shorty header.....
Agreed. The numbers between the SRT manifold and LT isn't too big. The savings however can be quite substantial.
Where can i find srt manifolds?
I think many decide going that route - SRT Manifold. Def a solid & cheaper option
RapFein4Real eBay or forum classifieds.....any scat pack, srt, or hellcat manifolds will work they are all the same
@@slomango7927 wen u buy how do u know if it fits the 5.7?
My buddy and I were just talking about doing this set up for my RT. I think LT, mids and a aftermarket cat back would be almost too loud.
not with the right setup - the muffler is the key to how loud you want it
R/T Life I’m ok with loud just not ridiculous and droning at highway speeds. Lol I get that enough with my straight piped 5.9 Cummins. Do the Hellcat cat backs have resonators and mufflers? One thing also I wanna do is ditch the RT plastic muffler tips for the police diffuser.
godddddddddddddddddddddddd dammmmmmmmm that car sounds bad asssssssssssssssssssssssssssss!!!
haha I agree with you on that! He has a hell of a setup. In person it sounds mean
"The speed limit is 30 miles per hour.." LOL.
those are just suggestions hahaha
Thank you , thank you, thank you for inspiring this otherkin unicorn soul into getting a Dodge Charger....I just found a diamond in the rough, 2013 private directive owned Pursuit package. The transmission is so tight, my wife left a Ford Mustang 5.0 at the light to the next one with about a 4 second of distance. 7900$ for the lass and she is going to be getting the "Mississippi Queen" treatment. Thank you for this channel!
Had my mechanic look this girl over, he dose not like Chargers in general but after crawling all over her....I never seen such a grin on a Japanese when he said, "Get her". That how good this lil'girl is. Plan on listening to your advice, going to study what I need to make her the southern bell of I-85. Thank you !
Besides her natural prey are Ford Mustangs, Chevy Camaros, ego bloated Texan Toyota/Lexus owners (jab at Scotty for the record). She gonna be a phat queen off of the ones where I am! I hear the vvvvrrroom every night, the street racers, even tonight they are racing on the Interstate. Cannot wait to be out there. I am so excited, have not been this lively in sometime. Tomorrow will be the first time I ever happily drove to work.
long tubes are defiantly worth it. your car sounds great man
Agreed. Great mod no doubt about it
Will long tubes void the warranty on the car sound nasty great setup
This setup sounds FEROCIOUS! Sounds meaner than a 392 🤤
yah he really did a great job picking & piecing this together! Heck of a setup
Dudes face is so serious the whole time lighten up a lil 🥲 damn poker face over here 👈
I did longtube and exhaust for $1300
hell of a price - def a nice amount of HP for the price tag
Cant wait to see more mopar build reviews! This is different and cool, haters gonna hate but we hit the gas and keep on going 👍
it's really cool showing off some of the mods others are doing. I think it will help others with expectations, prices, ideas etc. More Mopar to come!
Worth it if you didnt already drop $$$ on shorties and the tune 😉
Yah I can jump on board with that. Hows your header situation looking?
@@RTLife gonna do it with my oil cooler system and full exhaust system. $2,000 needs to be saved up
Going with titanium BBK longtube headers, any word on these?
Man thank you for sharing with us.. I'm in north Carolina.. if I ever get the chance would love to meet up n bullshit around n the chargers for sure..
yah that would be awesome - one day I would like to travel to other states & feature other peoples cars.
Worth the sound in my opinion
Def sounds mean as hell - well worth it
If you can taste sound, it will be sweet like honey and extra caramel with it.
hahahaha I like that!
A Hemi is what chocolate sounds like.
"The speed limit is 30mph" 😂😂
lol
What announced the speed limit?
Long tube headers say hello to defoulers for the 02 sensors.
That grey car sounds like the devil. Hemi motors sound nasty no matter what. 5.7/6.1/6.4/6.2sc
I agree with you on that - def sounds mean as hell
Damn that Charger sounds good!!
i know it's awesome, he did a really awesome job setting this thing up
Long tubes all the way! I love mine!
yah they're def a solid upgrade
What headers did you end up with?
I ended up with Dynatech long tubes
Man that sounds Amazing! 🔥🔥🔥
yah he's doing a great job with this build. Def want to go to the strip & line up against him
I mean i dont be in the track at all im a drive around town thats why i want the shorty headers but the long tube on the other hand if someone wants to act up on the highway give him that juice lol
haha I hear you man. The gains on the long tubes is really solid - better overall performance ride.
The RT does sound really good👍🏽
yah he really has a nice setup on this thing!
LOL "V8PRIUS"🤣🤣🤣🤣
yah that is really funny - trolling Pruis owners!
Keep it going man , your channel is awsome
Thank you - I really appreciate it
What type of long tube headers ?
Happy bday man!
Facebook?
@@RTLife ya, was it wrong.. lol
Any idea if his Catless mids were 3 in cause im buying a hellcat exhaust but I have 3 in catless mids wonder if it would fit the 2.75 in
Lmk if it fit I’m wondering the same thing
TunedRT seen a couple of ppl run this set up and I’ve called a few muffler shops they said they would have to make an adapter for the 2.75 hellcat piping , ima jus go ahead and do it and see how it goes
Do hooker headers short tubes makes it louder than the long tube with a 5.7l or 6.4l on R/T scat pack or hellcat or R/T shaker at least
When I went with Short tube headers I didn't notice a difference in exhaust note. If there was it's very small
Nigel Plantin long tube vs short are night and day in every applying. Night n day remember that when making a choice.
I'm doing 392 shorty's on my 5.7
Longtubes are the only logical choice for HP......unless you have space issues.
Do I have to get a tune for the long tube headers?
Wish i could get long tubes but nazi california says i cant cus i have to move the cats
Try a set of 392 manifolds and midpipes. They don't void warranty and are 50 state legal and if you ever look at a set are nothing more then mid length headers. I got a set of Hellcat take offs on mine and really like em.
Also look at the Kooks long tubes & Green cats. They are 50 state legal, & you only lose a few BHP with those cats.
xXcashXx3 More like Commiefornia
They have direct fit long tube headers - they're a lot of money but you will be able to keep those stock cats
Thanks ya ill look more into it
I have long tube headers on my Dodge Charger RT along with a Dyno tune, intake upgrade, high-flow cats, and a Cat-Back exhaust. My car runs fantastic!
Those are solid upgrades, what are you putting to the ground?
Fuck yes man.. killer mods.. damn.. loving it...
Yah he has a solid build going on!
I have heard about jba headers the shorty headers was recommended for my Sequoia. I have heard long tube headers was good for top end power. this the type of exhaust system that will get me in trouble with the laws
Short = low end tq and some low end hp, Long tube = top end hp and some top end tq. It's all about what you're looking to do with it. I had shorties in my old car and they did nearly nothing for me at the track. I did long tubes with this car and it helped a lot. I countered the 5.7 having some lazy off the line power with the higher gears in the back.
Awesome R/T Life《☆》Happy Birthday :*: very cool. The mds was barely noticeable. ☻
Thanks brother - def appreciate it!
Awesome video man extremely helpful 👏
“30 to 65” 😂😂😂
Got long tubes on my 5.7 and they really shine up top... kooks 1 3/4” with high flow cat connection pipes to a borla cat back. Cost was about $1,700 for headers, no labor cost.
Pull the trigger!!!
Did you jump on a dyno?
Awesome... did the long tubes help your quarter mile time or 0 to 60?
R/T Life,
Sure did. No baseline pulls, I have a video on my page of the numbers. DA was right at 2,000ft due to being in the deep SE in late May. Also keep in mind that my truck only comes with 360hp and 390tq at the fly and is a AWD application.
Venom Hemi,
I started in the low 7s for a 0-60 bone stock. Now in gray conditions I can put this thing in low 5s and have seen a best of 4.98.
No weight reduction done or extra air in the tires, keep just as if I’m always daily driving.
Have you talked to this guy recently? Curious how much further he is now? Any more mods?
He ended up moving - never saw him after this. He was a cool guy though
I'm down for that.. hell yeah you tube will make you famous.. lol
Car sounds bad ass I’m guessing he didn’t delete the midmuffler so it sounds deeper
yah he is doing a great job with this build.
I was kinda shocked when he said his intake air temps were 10-15 above the outside air temperature. I have the hellcat air box intake through the inner headlight, and I’m only 3-5 degrees higher than the outside temperature. When I’m driving it’s 3 over. It only gets to 5 over when I’m stopped in traffic. What temps does everyone else run????
I think about about 10-15 above as well with the corsa at idle - moving only a few degrees
It needs to be shielded it’s a gorgeous intake but it’s only running so low because of the hood scoop. Shield it and the 5° difference is normal
The hellcat airbox is all you need, there isn't anything out there I've seen that beats it. My 392 sits at 5-10 above ambient while I'm moving. At idle it soaks like crazy of course buy as soon as you get moving that open headlight does its job.
Thats a hot air intake. Not sealed from engine compartment heat. A major problem with aftermarket so called CAI.
Cool!! 2 Thumbs up 👍👍
Thank you! Def appreciate it
Happy Birthday bro!
Thank you!
I like it. Sounds mean!
Hell yah! I was loving it - sounds so damn mean
How do u feel about stainless works long tube headers? Also how do u feel about the hammer cai vs the corsa closed box cai?
Is there any other work that is mandatory for the long tube headers? All I have is a straight pipe on mine besides that it’s stock
that what my plan is - long tubes... however I wonder if when can pass emissions...
btw - what brand did he say again, the headers?
It's all about the cats - you can get long tubes but you need a game plan for those cats. He has JBA I believe
@@RTLife awesome I was thinking about high flows cats as well.
And you said you definitely felt the power of the long tubes on the top end when you were driving? Thanks RT
Yes there is a difference between the 2 - now remember I only had shorty headers with flowmasters. He has a complete exhaust setup
I'm not sure it will pass emissions with no cats unless you do a hot emissions and inspection test but most people keep the stock cats and throw em on for testing then take em back off.
Hey I wanted to ask, when your going from Stock headers to Shorty headers, did you have to change the spark plugs as well ? Or is that not necessarily to do so?
Wow found all that for under 2k? I was under the impression just the long tubes kit themselves are touching 2.
What was the hellcat modification that you have and do you recommend it to be used?
Sounds great. How did he get around the check engine light with the catless mids and O2 sensor extensions? In the tune or fowler's mod?
I got around it with the tune. The rear O2 sensors are still there in the catless mid pipe, just turned off.
Boom
So he got Track mode with the Tazer on a RT ? So it makes a difference what year it is, meaning the RT has to be a 15-18 or can you get it on a 13 ?
I have a 15 & he has a 16. Both of us were able to get it to work
Does your kit fit a Pursuit hemi awd? I am looking for the BOM to get this done asap!!!
Any suggestions on what I should do to my 2018 Grand Cherokee 5.7? Already have exhaust and air intake. Want to improve power without breaking the bank.
Time to tune that thing, it will upgrade your octane level.
Does anybody know what LTs will work best for the 6.4? Been looking at American Racing Headers, they seem to have some nice looking setups. Pricey though.
What kind exhausted did you to that charger
He has a hellcat catback exhaust with JBA long tube headers
Appreciate any input from anyone. What do you think about shorty headers with the stock exhaust? Will it cause more drone? How about the power gains? Most people get a cat back first but I want to get the shorties first.
If you're going to the drag strip or building a racer go long tubes. if you daily or regularly drive your car & just want more of a punch off the line & acceleration ramps go shorty. I went shorty & gained identical numbers in torque and about 15whp less then long tubes. for me it was 1/2 the price
R/T Life yeah I already decided to go shorty but I’m just wondering how it will work I’m with the stock cat back. I don’t really want to buy an aftermarket catback but I also want the performance gains of the shorties. I just want to know if the stock catback combined with the shorties will cause drone or will limit the performance gain.
Shorty headers actually lessened the drone on my car!
DonnyR/T was this with a stock catback or aftermarket?
@@bonkant6584 It was with aftermarket mufflers and the resonators taken off. With the stock exhaust, I honestly think the chance of you getting drone is close to impossible
Hell yea long tube headers.
yah Long Tubes are a solid addition
I have a 06 RT and I’m upgrading to long tube headers. I already got a Dyno Tune on the car a few weeks ago. I’m going with long Tube headers and I’m wondering should I retune afterwards..
Yes you should retune - you're likely going to run lean while at full throttle. Also you may get a check engine light if not retuned.
@@RTLife Thanks ❤️. I’m replacing my fuel pump soon as well. Can u tell me the difference in each one performance wise? Which side is for top speed?
@@RTLife ?
What was the brand of the strut bar
I have to ask - it's def a nice one
What was the parts # for the longtubes?
I think the sound alone is worth it
yah the exhaust setup sounds amazing
Thought the 5.7’s came stock 370
370+ crank HP - when they go on a dyno they're around 330whp. There is a loss from engine to ground.
in my country, goverment does not require cat check if lpg is instaled, so i deleted it
Smiles per gallon. 😁😁😁
yup! These hemi's are a lot of fun
Man I think his sounds a little better than yours. I think yours would be a complete badass with that cam done. I love a hemi with a cam swap. And mopars are the best sounding engines ever. GM sounds flat and ford sounds hollow. The sound is all in the firing order, if you have time check it out.
I'd argue that a 5.0 with the right exhaust is the best sounding of the domestic V8s but overall the Mopar 5.7/6.1/6.4/6.2 have the best exhaust notes.
@@Jetlifeual idk man, you can tell a ford when you hear it also. To me it's just not as testosterone driven and a mopar. Even if you listen to the old mopars, they just kinda give you about a half a chub. You know what I mean.
I love the Hemi exhaust - has such an angry pissed off sound
@@RTLife perfectly said. I'm angry and horny, all ready ready to go donkey punch something.