As Mike's neighbor, I wholeheartedly agree with this modification. The startup often serves as my alarm in the morning and is much more pleasant than my phone.
Lol I agree to about the alarm. I crank my every morning just as I'm heading to work, at exactly 6:15am, my neighbor said to u crank up ur car exactly wake up time! Awesome
THANK YOU FOR THIS VIDEO!!!!!! It’s 5 years later and I’ve been searching for this, specifically the check engine light debunk. Just bought a 2020 scatpack charger.
I did mid muffler delete after buying the Carven 3 inch x pipe a few days ago. It was a game changer. It completely gets rid of that raspy cheap sound if you only change out mids. I've owned alot of Dodge vehicles and this was the best exhaust mod I've ever done. I had a 2019 scat pack widebody and had a Borla Atak on it. I now have a fully loaded Charger widebody scatpack with carven x pipe without mids and it sounds better than a full catback.
I've been on the fence about this for years. Not wanting to irritate the neighbors and definitely don't want to aggro the wife (haha). But still want a throatier sound than the basic sound my car came with. Love your explanations of the sound differences in the cabin and outside. Now to make my appointment
From what I understand and have heard from others in the R/T community, the only way you might hurt your power or fuel economy is if you replace your mufflers/midpipes/exhaust with a LARGER diameter pipe. Simply freeing up restriction from the stock diameter pipes isn't an issue, but they say going from 2.25" to a 3" exhaust on an r/t for example can be an issue. If you still have mufflers and/or resonators though, they will likely restrict the flow such that a larger diameter exhaust will not cause a loss in power until those restrictive parts are removed.
@@Xaiborg this is not true either. Going to a 3-in will not affect anything on your car. I don't know why people are infatuated with this kind of thinking. Nothing personal than anybody but it does not do anything to your car. The purpose of your exhaust is for your exhaust to exit out as quickly as possible. That old story back in the day of your car needs back pressure, is a crock it just absolutely not true. And it's not based on actual facts
@@atlantis8466 Yeah from what I gather now, 3 years later lol, back pressure is not necessary but too large of an exhaust can still cause over scavenging. Whether or not that results in any real substantial power or performance loss I don't know, but you're right that every source indicates back pressure is not necessary for max performance. On my charger I ended up doing reso delete, mid muffler delete, cat delete and didn't experience a power loss.
Factory X-Pipe should be enough for the “Back Pressure” plus these mid mufflers are basically a straight through design anyways like you said. People still dont get it, great video on this issue very informative.
Mid muffler delete sound raspy when you get on it. Also the scatpack mufflers are through flow glasspacks with preferations on the inside tube. Removing and replacing with a pipe actually slows the exhaust flow. An engineer from magnafow did a long video on this.
Exhaust back pressure is not really an issue with stock cams on V8 engines. An open pipe 2.5 inch exhaust with a crossover would make the most overall power but it would be too loud. A cam change with a free flowing intake and exhaust would make the most difference. Just taking 1 muffler out of a system with Cats and three mufflers isn't enough of a flow increase to cause much issue with tuning.
It sucks. I did it on my 2019 R/T sounds cheap to me. Went with borla ATAK model 140714 1 week after I did mid delete. Much cleaner and sexier sound. Doesn’t sound like a car with no muffler if u know what I mean? Sounds like a beast now
@@CraigOgamus I just did it to mines sounds great not to bad but really loud for sure... im very interested in a borla too though I was looking as t those Atak ones with aggressive sound
3:19 th-cam.com/video/A2G1EOB4P3w/w-d-xo.html Sounds like people have no idea what they're talking about. Whenever I hear anything regarding backpressure I immediately know they have no clue about building engines. You want no backpressure and if anything a vacuum. Pulling the exhaust gases out quicker is good hence why people put long tubes on. Long tubes increase scavenging pulling exhaust out of the cylinder to be ready for fresh fuel and air.
Hey I just made a comment before I read this one, and I'm hoping maybe you can enlighten me. I've heard a bigger diameter exhaust can cause loss in low end torque, but usually only in cars where mufflers and/or resonators are deleted or high flow. Is it true that having too wide of an exhaust can lower low end torque and/or reduce mileage?
nice channel, keep making content! you deserve way more subscribers just keep being consistent and they will come. One of the only videos to truly break down everything that needed to be heard about mid-muffler deletes.
Thanks for the support. It has been slow going but picking up lately. Hopefully I can be creative enough to bring people back to the channel. Thanks again for the encouragement.
Some help with back pressure from motor authority As the pulses move along, they generate an exhaust flow. If you have a restrictive exhaust system, it can generate back pressure that works against the positive flow of the exhaust gas that's trying to exit your vehicle. As Jason explains, a restrictive exhaust flow that builds up back pressure is only hurting the power your vehicle can deliver because it's not working efficiently. However, a little back pressure is a good thing. In fact, it helps. The right size pipe is large enough to breathe well but small enough to create a high exhaust flow. Steps in the exhaust system also create negative pressure waves that travel back to the cylinder and help empty the cylinder of those gases.
Hey Mike, this is the first time I’m commenting on TH-cam lol I’ve been doing some research lately to make my 14 charger RT sound better as you might already know how quiet are the 2016 and earlier hemis. Watched your video yesterday and got the mid muffler delete today! You did a great job putting that info together so clearly. Loving the sound; not too loud just the way I wanted. Thanks!
Zeeshan thanks for checking out the video. That's awesome you got your mids deleted. Everyone seems to be really happy with the results. I am glad I could help you find what you were looking for. I think my next video will be a cold air intake. I'm curious on how the exhaust note will change with the increased airflow. Don't forget to hit that subscribe button and check that out. Thanks again.
@@Chestnut1998 correct, I believe 2017+ RTs come with active exhaust systems unlike earlier models where only the 392s had that tech. Anyways, love the color of your scat! 😍
I did this to my 16 scat as soon as i got it back in 16’...and it literally JUST changes the sound I’m glad you made this because it’s literally just a muffler...also you get a check engine light if you remove the valves too. I plan on removing my mids on my hellcat
Congratulations on the upgrade 👏. I have been considering a hellcat myself just haven't pulled the trigger on one yet. I guess it is safe to say that your happy with your decision.
My 2018 Chrysler 300 is doing fine with mid muffler delete and resonator delete gas mileage the great just like you said you drive it the sound of it never gets old it sounds good it sounds even better all day all the time
Great video! I live in Affton, MO and just got the mid muffler delete done yesterday on my 2019 Challenger Scat Pack. It’s awesome! Very happy with the results!
Hey Mike I'm Eric I bought a 2017 5.0, 2 yrs ago used of course It had just a muffler delete, an I did a few months ago deleted my mid muffler. It's Loud a lot LOUDER now lol lots of a drone at certain rpms but it quite at idle, so when u lay it down wow! Lol. Good info thanks
The muffler delete on the Charger was awesome I miss it alot. My buddy Andy has a 2018 5.0 and he did the c&l sport Axle Back and the c&l h-pipe and his sounds amazing. We did a video on it if you wanna check his out. Thanks for checking out the video man I appreciate it. So close to getting monetized.
To solve the problem of soot in/on my tailpipes, I switched over to ethenol free gasoline ( 90 octane) . My tailpipes are clean get better mileage and runs smoothly 2017 Grand Cherokee 5.7 with modes.
Ethanol free gasoline I wouldn't even know where find that. Is that pretty common in your area. So I wonder why it's not just sold that way everywhere if it helps in So many ways. I bet adding the ethanol makes it cheaper to produce.
I had a 2019 Charger SRT. I deleted the mid muffler which made it sound amazing. The problem was the droning sound when the engine goes into 4 cylinders. Even when there are resonators at the end you will still hear the drone sound when it kicks in to 4 cylinders.
Best video so far for this car. I have a 2014 Dodge Charger 5.7L Persuit Package and im going to be doing a mid muffler delete next week. Im also swapping out the valance and replacing the stock tips to a 5" round tip and have them 2 inches longer to stick out of the valance. That helps remove cabin noise and round tips remove the drone. Great vid. Answered my questions. Ill be waking up the neighbors soon with the muffler delete. This car should have sounded like this from the factory.
@@DrivewayDreams I've ordered the rear valance and 5' exhaust tips. I cant wait to get them on. Ive only had the car 3 days now and its already my baby. Can't wait to see my ex driving around with her boyfriend in his Prius lmao
Great job on the video, you answered a lot of questions I had. I ordered my pipe from Summit from Magna Flow for $218. Can’t wait to get it and install it. I am putting it on my 2017 Ram Rebel. You would think with the name Rebel it’d already be loud. But I plan on fixing that shortly.
Why is anyone worried about fuel efficiency in that type of car? I don’t have a dodge at the moment. I drive a mustang GT. Looking to upgrade to a hellcat, ZL1 or GT500 in the coming years. Looking at all options. Great video keep up the great work
I wasn't really worry about fuel mileage but you would be surprised the amount of people that ask about. Thanks for checking out the video. Currently at the dealership buying a new car for the channel be sure to check it out soon.
@@DrivewayDreams I understand you weren’t worried. You were addressing the question others posed. Looking forward to see it. Subscribed to see the new adventure. Though I’ll only be able to watch for a few months then I’m off to boot camp. After that I’ll have some catching up to do.
I had my mids removed on my 2019 Challenger SXT last week. a couple days later I had my stock mufflers replaced by a couple of Magnaflow's. Besides being louder the only difference is I tend to drive like a bat out of hell now. I love hearing my engine roar. lol. Nut the gas milage seems the same.
I loved the way it sounded when the car was cold. It never disappointed. Loud but not obnoxious. It did have a little rasp but not terrible. My wife or my neighbors never complained. Hope it turns out the way you want it. Thanks for checking out the video. If your into Nissan GT-R's consider subscribing about to start a build on that real soon.
My 09 Ram Dakota Big Horn factory stock with optional 3.92 diff averaged between 18-19mpg , I flashed the Premium performance tune from Hypertech 2.0Max running 91oct installed a K&N cold air intake,a Magnaflow true duel cat back exhaust ,removed the electric fan off a totaled Jeep installed it on the Dakota ,not only I did I get awesome acceleration satisfaction but when I drive conservatively I average 19-20.5 mpg but I live 20miles in any direction from civilization 😁
2020 PITCH BLK REDEYE HELLCAT CHALLENGER 1500MILES, MID MUFFLER DELETE AND MUFFLER ACTIVE VALVE DELETE. WAITED UNTIL 1500 MILES FOR BOTH MODS. SOUNDS AMAZING ESPECIALLY WITH ACCELERATIONS. NO CHEK ENGINE OR LOSS OF GAS MILAGE, GAS MILAGE IS DRIVER SPECIFIC N DRIVER PERSONAL PREFERENCE. $230 MOD I DNT REGRET
Just had my mids deleted today on my redeye and it sounds freaking KILLER. It sounds like a nearly 800hp beast should; loud, burbles, pops, screams, etc. It’s a blast and addictive to drive. These mid delete vids sound good but none do the sound any justice as hearing it in person.
That's awesome. I am glad you were happy with the results. That fuel mileage is gonna go down because you just want hear that exhaust. Again congrats on the car and thanks for checking out the video.
@@DrivewayDreams lol! Yeah, just 3.5 months into ownership and I average around 12-13 mpg. This car is pure fun and now with the delete is sounds as nasty as it should, imo.
I just got electric cutouts on my RT🔥 for those of you that don’t know you can push a button to open your valves and be hella loud whenever you want cause some times you might not want your shit hella loud
what brand did you use? I was all set to do this but the position of the electric motors would have reduced my ground clearance and been at risk of being knocked off. Thanks!
Michael Coplin I have the same delete on my 19 and I’ve been trying to see comparisons to the corsa xtreme what’s your opinion would you get the corsa?
Im in Bahrain just bought Challenger want to change Stock to AFE Airintake and do a mufler delete your video was helpful in understanding the affect of high airflow in exhaust exactly what im looking for.. thankyou.. nice videos keep posting.
Unfortunately I was daily driving mine 42 miles each way which allowed for better mileage. When playing in track mode with friends you can imagine how much lower it was. Well worth every penny spent on fuel.
If you have different drive modes like street sport and track there is a valve in the exhaust to make your car louder in sport and track. Quite in street and eco.
The only issue I've had with my mid muff delete is the occasional lean code once every other month, and it turns itself off after 1 drive. I deleted mine because the mds baffle was rattling.
Your mufflers are way beyond any sensor that would determine your car is running lean. You may have an actual issue. Hopefully I am wrong for your sake but definitely let us know. I am sure everyone is curious.
Your gonna be so happy the first time you hear it. Hopefully the guy revs it inside for you. Make sure you let us all know what you think when its finished.
Exactly seems the only diff is getting it done and if you don’t want that loud noise get a light muffler racing type save weight and sounds not that loud but still louder and lighter
I don’t wanna mess with the warranty but in two years I’ll get the delete and add a racing muffler to bring the decibals a tad lower thinking same can be done to resonators I’m gonna research the weight on those too lol I’ll save 2k on those overrated exhaust seems it’s just savings on the muffler weight plus the resonator weight lol don’t be stupid now save money and keep the original oem
When I got mine done it didn't affect the warranty at all but lately I have had comments left saying that dealerships are now trying to void warranties for it now. I would definitely call and ask your local dealership first. If they tell you it will void the warranty ask about other systems like Flowmaster, magnaflow or corsa because those have always been allowed.
@@DrivewayDreams i like the idle and all but when i give it gas its way to loud it doesn’t sound like it shifts just like red line i had a aftermarket cold air intake that sounds nice but can’t hear it no more the pops are nice tho but just sounds like a truck when i give it gas
sounds great! i'll be doing this to my new RT when i pick it up this week.. i'll prolly drive it at least a week before i actually do the mod, but ya i'm a moddin' fool! already got a CAI for it. anyway, i love Borla systems, i had one on my old 98 Z28, and the sound was amazing, not extremely loud though, and no drone. my favorite part of the Borla exhaust was the pops and bangs you get while gearing down, or slowing down, very addictive! ☮
It helps to know a guy. I believe not having mufflers would actually make you fail the safety portion. Here in Missouri when they do emissions all they do is plug a computer into your obd2 port and look for a check engine codes. Having mufflers is actually part of the safety inspection. When they lift your car up to check your tires and suspension they actually check for mufflers and catalytic converters then. So really you just have to know a shop that really just doesn't give a damn about that. Usually a muffler shop that will do a muffler delete in first place will pass your car if you take it back there for your inspections.
@@HenryDittmarLive538 it will save you hassle if you get a system. It's cheaper to get a muffler delete. It totally depends on what you personally like. The Borla Atak system sounds really good. Although I liked my muffler delete if I had to do it again I would go with a system.
That are actually located underneath car about where the driver and passenger seats are. Check out this video th-cam.com/video/5niq8JTgXfk/w-d-xo.html it kinda shows where they are located
@@DrivewayDreams thank you, I have a Durango r/t and my shop said they can only take out the two back mufflers and put straight pipes in. Will it still have a nice rumble to it
The Mid muffler delete really is just a cheaper option then going with a complete system. The first day my wife bought her Ram 1500 she put a Flowmaster system on it.
I am definitely not a mechanic by any means so I have no real data to back this up but my thought would be that the catalytic converter would be providing the back pressure everyone seems worried about. What are your thoughts. If you have any info let us know. I would love to get a discussion going on this.
If i was going to spend money on a system I would keep that system intact and not delete the mids. Doing the mid muffler delete kinda just a cheaper option than spending money on an aftermarket set-up. Borla and Corsa make some great sounding exhaust systems but your gonna spend quite a bit of money on those.
You do get a some when you are in track mode but its really not bad. My wife never complained about it. You can still listen to the radio or talk on the phone without having to have the volume crazy high.
So a mid muffler delete won’t mess up the transmission? My mechanic said I shouldn’t do it . And leave my car stock cause he said it can mess up the engine
Almost every dodge out there now has a muffler delete. That stock muffler isn't doing anything besides making the car quieter. I have never seen a transmission go bad because of the muffler.
It's not going to do anything to your transmission. If he's telling you that, he must not be much of a mechanic. No affect whatsoever. That is so stupid.
I was told by dealership that if I removed the muffler on my 1320 challenger it voids the warranty. On the whole car since I pd over 50k for my car I'm not messing with
I wonder if they are cracking down on it. The dealership i used didn't care at all. In fact I have buddies that work for dealerships and they have it done to their cars and it didn't void their warranty. I wonder why they even care it does change anything it just makes the car louder.
@@DrivewayDreams well you answered part of that question they work for the dealership. So they can get away with some stuff. But since my car is just a month old. I'll probably look into it around the spring time. The car is going into the garage for the bad weather days. Here in NJ The drivers are not the best in snow and ice.
Well you picked up a awesome ride congratulations. Maybe I'll do a little investigating and see what I can get answered about this. It is a shame that companies are being this petty about modifications.
@@DrivewayDreams thank you and let me know what you find out. I'm not doing anything until after the winter. ? Did you install. This oil catch can everyone is talking about. If you did what did you go with . expensive or inexpensive
Ya loose low end power don't do it . If ya want it louder move the active flap to the outside of the pipe . Leave the mid muffler it designed for it. Between the mid delete n installing a cold air intake ya loose about 10 to 20% low end . Not recommended.
There has definitely been a lot of debate both ways. I personally didn't notice any difference and actually raced a stock scatpack and literally neck and neck no difference. I should have done a video about it when I still had my scatpack definitely would have been a good video idea. Thanks for checking out the video and leaving your comment always open for discussion. Just trying to help people out.
@@DrivewayDreams me also I own 3 hemis . 2006 daytona , 2015 durango rt, n 2017 392 daytona . I learned the hard way about power loss. 06 is heavily modified. Start with muffler delete. My 390 hp 0n dyno dropped 15% from 2500 to 3500 rpm . So I put a mopar intake thought I would gain back . Got much more top end lost even more low end . Then talk to a dealer tech friend told me to put it all back . It was damaged in a flood. So that was not an option. He hooked me up with a stage 3 chip n an under drive pully kit . Was the only way to get back what was lost n then some . Now it's 495whp n 501 torque. But cost me around $7000 because of me messin with it. Now it's ready for a $10,000 blower though
@@DrivewayDreams it's true about needing the back pressure it helps open n close the valves so yya do put extra wear on the already strained roller lifters. Biggest killer of the new hemis is sitting n idling . That's why ya see a lot of police cruiser hemis getting lifters n valves done early life
@@DrivewayDreams you have a nice ride there done destroy it my man. Looks almost like my 17 daytona. If ya watch the videos of these morons with the hell cats line locking n doughnut burn outs. It's the worst thing to do to them . Over heats bearings in the superchargers n burns them out. $15000 to replace n not covered under warranty. Was gonna buy a used 1 but every 1 I looked at had like a valve tick coming from the blower when it wasn't running. So asked my friend if it was normal n he told me about it. So gonna save my $$$$buy a new 1 . Like the rebal trx n hell cat durangos might pick 1 up to add to my collection. Good luck with yours man be safe
The short answer is yes but I found an article that explains it if you are interested. drivetribe.com/p/how-does-exhaust-backpressure-work-UVtF94NcRtGs2lm_FD8dlg
If your looking for a different setup the borla atak sounds really good also. Here is a link to pick one up. amzn.to/3XFHSgj
As Mike's neighbor, I wholeheartedly agree with this modification. The startup often serves as my alarm in the morning and is much more pleasant than my phone.
I can't wait until you get your dream car and return symphony. Although your exhaust note is going to sound a lot better. May force me to upgrade.
neighbor goals
His is going to be amazing when he gets it. Ferrari has one of the best exhaust notes out there
We need more neighbors like you guy's that music to my ears car sounds badass🔥🔥🔥🔥🤘🏿
Lol I agree to about the alarm. I crank my every morning just as I'm heading to work, at exactly 6:15am, my neighbor said to u crank up ur car exactly wake up time! Awesome
THANK YOU FOR THIS VIDEO!!!!!! It’s 5 years later and I’ve been searching for this, specifically the check engine light debunk. Just bought a 2020 scatpack charger.
Enjoy it. I miss mine
Got it done. Im very pleased with the sound and my wife didn’t even notice. This is how it should have sounded from the factory.
I haven't had anyone come back and say they were disappointed.
I did mid muffler delete after buying the Carven 3 inch x pipe a few days ago. It was a game changer. It completely gets rid of that raspy cheap sound if you only change out mids. I've owned alot of Dodge vehicles and this was the best exhaust mod I've ever done. I had a 2019 scat pack widebody and had a Borla Atak on it. I now have a fully loaded Charger widebody scatpack with carven x pipe without mids and it sounds better than a full catback.
That awesome I never even thought about going that route I bet that sounds amazing
@@DrivewayDreams it really does man! I was very skeptical about it but now I'm definitely not. Later
I've been on the fence about this for years. Not wanting to irritate the neighbors and definitely don't want to aggro the wife (haha). But still want a throatier sound than the basic sound my car came with. Love your explanations of the sound differences in the cabin and outside. Now to make my appointment
From what I understand and have heard from others in the R/T community, the only way you might hurt your power or fuel economy is if you replace your mufflers/midpipes/exhaust with a LARGER diameter pipe. Simply freeing up restriction from the stock diameter pipes isn't an issue, but they say going from 2.25" to a 3" exhaust on an r/t for example can be an issue. If you still have mufflers and/or resonators though, they will likely restrict the flow such that a larger diameter exhaust will not cause a loss in power until those restrictive parts are removed.
@@Xaiborg this is not true either. Going to a 3-in will not affect anything on your car. I don't know why people are infatuated with this kind of thinking. Nothing personal than anybody but it does not do anything to your car. The purpose of your exhaust is for your exhaust to exit out as quickly as possible. That old story back in the day of your car needs back pressure, is a crock it just absolutely not true. And it's not based on actual facts
@@atlantis8466 Yeah from what I gather now, 3 years later lol, back pressure is not necessary but too large of an exhaust can still cause over scavenging. Whether or not that results in any real substantial power or performance loss I don't know, but you're right that every source indicates back pressure is not necessary for max performance. On my charger I ended up doing reso delete, mid muffler delete, cat delete and didn't experience a power loss.
I’m from Stl as well and have a 21 Scat and I am considering this but was concerned about Emissions thanx for the info!
Factory X-Pipe should be enough for the “Back Pressure” plus these mid mufflers are basically a straight through design anyways like you said. People still dont get it, great video on this issue very informative.
Thanks for checking out the video I really appreciate it.
Mid muffler delete sound raspy when you get on it. Also the scatpack mufflers are through flow glasspacks with preferations on the inside tube. Removing and replacing with a pipe actually slows the exhaust flow. An engineer from magnafow did a long video on this.
So keep it stock and just get a Active exhaust delete?
I have heard if you delete the active exhaust it gives you a check engine light
Driveway Dreams I’m looking at one of those kits that just physically locks it. Those don’t throw any codes to my understanding.
Oh awesome if you can get around. I didn't know they had anything like that. Whats something like that cost.
Driveway phillipsperformance.com/products/dodge-challenger-exhaust-delete-kit about $180
Exhaust back pressure is not really an issue with stock cams on V8 engines. An open pipe 2.5 inch exhaust with a crossover would make the most overall power but it would be too loud. A cam change with a free flowing intake and exhaust would make the most difference. Just taking 1 muffler out of a system with Cats and three mufflers isn't enough of a flow increase to cause much issue with tuning.
Thanks you for the useful information a lot of people will appreciate it.
Great video man. Answered my question and more. Gonna try and get the mid muffler delete done this weekend on my 2019 Challenger R/T.
I love it. Sounds awesome 👌
It sucks. I did it on my 2019 R/T sounds cheap to me. Went with borla ATAK model 140714 1 week after I did mid delete. Much cleaner and sexier sound. Doesn’t sound like a car with no
muffler if u know what I mean? Sounds like a beast now
@@CraigOgamus I just did it to mines sounds great not to bad but really loud for sure... im very interested in a borla too though I was looking as t those Atak ones with aggressive sound
Best video ever about this topic 👍 thank you I can go ahead and cut mine.
Just wanted to check back in with you. Did you ever get you mid mufflers deleted and if so what do you think. Happy with the sound?
@@DrivewayDreams yes I did🙂 thanks for asking. I did it a day after I watch ur video and I love it. I upload the before & after on my channel
Great video good info.....this is how you tube should be used
Same! he got straight to the important parts
i wanna do it to my 5.7 but don’t want it to be crazy loud... would you recommend it??
mid muffler delete and resonator delete sounds perfect and doesnt effect anything other than like 2krpm torque
3:19 th-cam.com/video/A2G1EOB4P3w/w-d-xo.html Sounds like people have no idea what they're talking about. Whenever I hear anything regarding backpressure I immediately know they have no clue about building engines. You want no backpressure and if anything a vacuum. Pulling the exhaust gases out quicker is good hence why people put long tubes on. Long tubes increase scavenging pulling exhaust out of the cylinder to be ready for fresh fuel and air.
Hey I just made a comment before I read this one, and I'm hoping maybe you can enlighten me. I've heard a bigger diameter exhaust can cause loss in low end torque, but usually only in cars where mufflers and/or resonators are deleted or high flow. Is it true that having too wide of an exhaust can lower low end torque and/or reduce mileage?
Thanks for the quick response think that's what I'll do just that the muffler delete
Thanks for the video....and love the orange Ram! Have one myself! Sits right next to my 2023 F8 green WB Scat!
I regret getting ride of my scatpack. Definitely should have just paid it off then moved on
nice channel, keep making content! you deserve way more subscribers just keep being consistent and they will come. One of the only videos to truly break down everything that needed to be heard about mid-muffler deletes.
Thanks for the support. It has been slow going but picking up lately. Hopefully I can be creative enough to bring people back to the channel. Thanks again for the encouragement.
Great questions and thanks for answering them. I'm getting mine done this weekend!
Some help with back pressure from motor authority
As the pulses move along, they generate an exhaust flow. If you have a restrictive exhaust system, it can generate back pressure that works against the positive flow of the exhaust gas that's trying to exit your vehicle. As Jason explains, a restrictive exhaust flow that builds up back pressure is only hurting the power your vehicle can deliver because it's not working efficiently.
However, a little back pressure is a good thing. In fact, it helps. The right size pipe is large enough to breathe well but small enough to create a high exhaust flow. Steps in the exhaust system also create negative pressure waves that travel back to the cylinder and help empty the cylinder of those gases.
I would add that the crackles and bangs are a bit more amplified especially when downshifting which is a plus for me but doesn’t suit everybody..
Hey Mike, this is the first time I’m commenting on TH-cam lol I’ve been doing some research lately to make my 14 charger RT sound better as you might already know how quiet are the 2016 and earlier hemis. Watched your video yesterday and got the mid muffler delete today! You did a great job putting that info together so clearly. Loving the sound; not too loud just the way I wanted. Thanks!
Zeeshan thanks for checking out the video. That's awesome you got your mids deleted. Everyone seems to be really happy with the results. I am glad I could help you find what you were looking for. I think my next video will be a cold air intake. I'm curious on how the exhaust note will change with the increased airflow. Don't forget to hit that subscribe button and check that out. Thanks again.
That means I must start saving up for cold air intake now 😅 hahaha cheers!
@@zeeshanrathore4993 the 2015-2020s are louder than the older ones because the active exhaust are on the 392s
@@Chestnut1998 correct, I believe 2017+ RTs come with active exhaust systems unlike earlier models where only the 392s had that tech. Anyways, love the color of your scat! 😍
@@zeeshanrathore4993 thanks! Please subscribe! Yeah the active is loud stock
Thank you so much. Looking to do this to my R/T soon enough.
How’d it go? I’m doing this to my 2017 pursuit 😊
I did this to my 16 scat as soon as i got it back in 16’...and it literally JUST changes the sound I’m glad you made this because it’s literally just a muffler...also you get a check engine light if you remove the valves too. I plan on removing my mids on my hellcat
Congratulations on the upgrade 👏. I have been considering a hellcat myself just haven't pulled the trigger on one yet. I guess it is safe to say that your happy with your decision.
My 2018 Chrysler 300 is doing fine with mid muffler delete and resonator delete gas mileage the great just like you said you drive it the sound of it never gets old it sounds good it sounds even better all day all the time
I don't regret doing it all. If I upgrade I will do it again for sure 👍. Thanks for checking out the video and leaving a comment.
Great video! I live in Affton, MO and just got the mid muffler delete done yesterday on my 2019 Challenger Scat Pack. It’s awesome! Very happy with the results!
Right on man glad your happy with it. Thanks for checking out the video.
So Co, STL native. 21 widebody Scat...dying to have this done...prob is convincing my significant other!
Just convice him by telling him how much cheaper it is compared to buying a Borla Atak system.
Hey Mike I'm Eric I bought a 2017 5.0, 2 yrs ago used of course It had just a muffler delete, an I did a few months ago deleted my mid muffler. It's Loud a lot LOUDER now lol lots of a drone at certain rpms but it quite at idle, so when u lay it down wow! Lol. Good info thanks
The muffler delete on the Charger was awesome I miss it alot. My buddy Andy has a 2018 5.0 and he did the c&l sport Axle Back and the c&l h-pipe and his sounds amazing. We did a video on it if you wanna check his out. Thanks for checking out the video man I appreciate it. So close to getting monetized.
To solve the problem of soot in/on my tailpipes, I switched over to ethenol free gasoline ( 90 octane) . My tailpipes are clean get better mileage and runs smoothly
2017 Grand Cherokee 5.7 with modes.
Ethanol free gasoline I wouldn't even know where find that. Is that pretty common in your area. So I wonder why it's not just sold that way everywhere if it helps in So many ways. I bet adding the ethanol makes it cheaper to produce.
I had a 2019 Charger SRT. I deleted the mid muffler which made it sound amazing. The problem was the droning sound when the engine goes into 4 cylinders. Even when there are resonators at the end you will still hear the drone sound when it kicks in to 4 cylinders.
I agree there was drone for sure but I don't recall it being terrible 🤔.
Only drive in track mode 👌
Gets the best sound for sure
I’m going to get mine done this weekend thanks for the update
You will not be disappointed
Thank you man. Best info on muffler delete
Glad it helped
Best video so far for this car. I have a 2014 Dodge Charger 5.7L Persuit Package and im going to be doing a mid muffler delete next week. Im also swapping out the valance and replacing the stock tips to a 5" round tip and have them 2 inches longer to stick out of the valance. That helps remove cabin noise and round tips remove the drone. Great vid. Answered my questions. Ill be waking up the neighbors soon with the muffler delete. This car should have sounded like this from the factory.
Those 5 inch tips will look tough.
@@DrivewayDreams I've ordered the rear valance and 5' exhaust tips. I cant wait to get them on. Ive only had the car 3 days now and its already my baby. Can't wait to see my ex driving around with her boyfriend in his Prius lmao
Great job on the video, you answered a lot of questions I had. I ordered my pipe from Summit from Magna Flow for $218. Can’t wait to get it and install it. I am putting it on my 2017 Ram Rebel. You would think with the name Rebel it’d already be loud. But I plan on fixing that shortly.
I sure you will be happy with it Rams always sound amazing
Why is anyone worried about fuel efficiency in that type of car? I don’t have a dodge at the moment. I drive a mustang GT. Looking to upgrade to a hellcat, ZL1 or GT500 in the coming years. Looking at all options. Great video keep up the great work
I wasn't really worry about fuel mileage but you would be surprised the amount of people that ask about. Thanks for checking out the video. Currently at the dealership buying a new car for the channel be sure to check it out soon.
@@DrivewayDreams I understand you weren’t worried. You were addressing the question others posed. Looking forward to see it. Subscribed to see the new adventure. Though I’ll only be able to watch for a few months then I’m off to boot camp. After that I’ll have some catching up to do.
Awesome man good luck on the new adventure you are undertaking. Thanks for your service.
You did it right....I did it on my hellcat..no issues
Hey buddy i have a 2018 and I did a Resignated delete with straightpike replacement and 5" tips And it sounds great
I thats awesome. How loud did that make it.
I had my mids removed on my 2019 Challenger SXT last week. a couple days later I had my stock mufflers replaced by a couple of Magnaflow's. Besides being louder the only difference is I tend to drive like a bat out of hell now. I love hearing my engine roar. lol. Nut the gas milage seems the same.
How do the magnaflows sounds i have never heard those on a charger or challenger.
what magnaflows did you put on? didnt sound good with no mid mufflers?
V6 engines are typically a challenge to make them sound good.
Great info! Thanks for the post! I'm doing a muffler delete on my BMW 535i next week, so any feedback is much appreciated!!!
I loved the way it sounded when the car was cold. It never disappointed. Loud but not obnoxious. It did have a little rasp but not terrible. My wife or my neighbors never complained.
Hope it turns out the way you want it. Thanks for checking out the video. If your into Nissan GT-R's consider subscribing about to start a build on that real soon.
when i tell you i kept replaying the cold start... DAMN!!
The cold start with the mid muffler delete is intoxicating.
That is a tiny garage! Barely able to fit either vehicle in without touching the wall. Love that exhaust tone.
Our garage is horrible 😫
My cold start is so loud , standing behind will crack my ear drum
Yeah starting mine in the garage is pretty loud but none of my neighbors have complained.
My 09 Ram Dakota Big Horn factory stock with optional 3.92 diff averaged between 18-19mpg , I flashed the Premium performance tune from Hypertech 2.0Max running 91oct installed a K&N cold air intake,a Magnaflow true duel cat back exhaust ,removed the electric fan off a totaled Jeep installed it on the Dakota ,not only I did I get awesome acceleration satisfaction but when I drive conservatively I average 19-20.5 mpg but I live 20miles in any direction from civilization 😁
I still get great fuel mileage on my challenger and I haven’t had any problems
Yeah I have not had any problems at all. I am averaging 22mpg.
2020 PITCH BLK REDEYE HELLCAT CHALLENGER 1500MILES, MID MUFFLER DELETE AND MUFFLER ACTIVE VALVE DELETE. WAITED UNTIL 1500 MILES FOR BOTH MODS. SOUNDS AMAZING ESPECIALLY WITH ACCELERATIONS. NO CHEK ENGINE OR LOSS OF GAS MILAGE, GAS MILAGE IS DRIVER SPECIFIC N DRIVER PERSONAL PREFERENCE. $230 MOD I DNT REGRET
Congrats on getting the Redeye and thanks for leaving this helpful info.
Just had my mids deleted today on my redeye and it sounds freaking KILLER. It sounds like a nearly 800hp beast should; loud, burbles, pops, screams, etc. It’s a blast and addictive to drive. These mid delete vids sound good but none do the sound any justice as hearing it in person.
That's awesome. I am glad you were happy with the results. That fuel mileage is gonna go down because you just want hear that exhaust. Again congrats on the car and thanks for checking out the video.
@@DrivewayDreams lol! Yeah, just 3.5 months into ownership and I average around 12-13 mpg. This car is pure fun and now with the delete is sounds as nasty as it should, imo.
I just bought a nissan GT-R so far averaging 11.7 mpg
Mopar baby. Love my mid muffler delete
I love it sounds amazing
I just got electric cutouts bro so I can go from quite to riot with the push of a button 🔥🔥🔥🔥
Best of both worlds that awesome.
Great video bro, very thoroughly explained, thank you!
Thanks for checking out the video.
Hey bro thanks for the great video ! Just
Got my delete done the sound is amazing!!!
This is an excellent video. I wish i would have researched this before i went to dealer for active exhaust check engine light.
That sucks 😕. What happen
What about removing the resonators and keeping the mufflers?
I know guys have done that but not sure what it sounds like personally.
Deleting the mids is the perfect balance i thought. Sounds good and not crazy loud.
I just got electric cutouts on my RT🔥 for those of you that don’t know you can push a button to open your valves and be hella loud whenever you want cause some times you might not want your shit hella loud
what brand did you use? I was all set to do this but the position of the electric motors would have reduced my ground clearance and been at risk of being knocked off. Thanks!
The best of both worlds thats awesome. I guess you are pretty happy with it.
Yes please do that exhaust comparison
Everybody says they both sound the same 🙄
Michael Coplin I have the same delete on my 19 and I’ve been trying to see comparisons to the corsa xtreme what’s your opinion would you get the corsa?
good job keep the videos coming
Thanks for this video ! Very informative ! Appreciate it !
Glad it was helpful!
In my country it takes 15$ to do this job cutting adding small pipes and welding!!
Yeah everything in US 🇺🇸 is over priced. Prices are getting ridiculous on everything.
Everyone wants higher wages with higher wages you get higher prices
Where are you from would love to know how far the videos is getting.
Im in Bahrain just bought Challenger want to change Stock to AFE Airintake and do a mufler delete your video was helpful in understanding the affect of high airflow in exhaust exactly what im looking for.. thankyou.. nice videos keep posting.
Best thing I did for my challenger.
21mpg lol I wish I’m a lead foot in my 2020 widebody scat. I get avg 13mpg
Unfortunately I was daily driving mine 42 miles each way which allowed for better mileage. When playing in track mode with friends you can imagine how much lower it was. Well worth every penny spent on fuel.
Same
I drove a lot of highway miles. 42 miles each way. When having fun i agree 13 mpg would be about right
2018 SRT CHARGER AVERAGE 12.3 MPG...before my mid muffler delete 🤣😂
I think if you get a oil catch can on it , that black stuff on th tail pipe tips will stop mostly, mine seems to be cleaner since I installed mine.
I never thought about that but totally makes since. Thanks for sharing that info on here I am sure that will help a lot people.
New car coming to the channel today or tomorrow
What ever you do, just keep your resonators. The resonators help stop drone.
I could not agree more. Straight piping this car I think is a mistake.
Put some race fuel in and your tips will be lite grey.
Smells great too.
3 gals to a full tank.
Unfortunately my check engine light turned on. It's saying I have an exhaust leak. It turned on about 2 weeks after having it done.
Did they mess with your active exhaust valve. I had mine done for 16 month with no issues. The shop had to have done something wrong.
@@DrivewayDreams I'm not sure if they did or not I have an appointment to get it looked at. But what exactly is the active exhaust?
If you have different drive modes like street sport and track there is a valve in the exhaust to make your car louder in sport and track. Quite in street and eco.
The only issue I've had with my mid muff delete is the occasional lean code once every other month, and it turns itself off after 1 drive. I deleted mine because the mds baffle was rattling.
Your mufflers are way beyond any sensor that would determine your car is running lean. You may have an actual issue. Hopefully I am wrong for your sake but definitely let us know. I am sure everyone is curious.
Ok thxs I will definitely check into that. I appreciate your honesty n b well brother ✌🏾
Np thanks for checking the video out.
Great video. Thank you!
I’m scheduled to get mine done Friday so thanks for the video 🙏🏽👌🏽
I just had mine did on my 2019 392 challenger and I couldn't agree with you more !!! Love the sound never gets old
Best money I have spent so far.
marcus king I can’t Wait 💪🏽💪🏽💪🏽
Your gonna be so happy the first time you hear it. Hopefully the guy revs it inside for you. Make sure you let us all know what you think when its finished.
Yoooooooooooo this muffle delete is crazy. Sounds wayyyy meaner. 🔥 🔥 🔥 I love it
Exactly seems the only diff is getting it done and if you don’t want that loud noise get a light muffler racing type save weight and sounds not that loud but still louder and lighter
Doing the delete in my opinion is just the cheap route. Sounds good but could definitely be better.
I don’t wanna mess with the warranty but in two years I’ll get the delete and add a racing muffler to bring the decibals a tad lower thinking same can be done to resonators I’m gonna research the weight on those too lol I’ll save 2k on those overrated exhaust seems it’s just savings on the muffler weight plus the resonator weight lol don’t be stupid now save money and keep the original oem
@@DrivewayDreams 2 k vacation sounds better lol
Bro every time. Perfect analogy 👌
Whats the difference if you cut out the resonators instead 🤔 would you say. Or both even. 🤔
I was told if you cut both it gets stupid loud. I have not heard one personally.
Any noticeable drone when cruising at stable speeds? Do you have MDS on this? How does it sound in eco mode?
Cruising on the highway it's not bad. The muffler delete is really only loud on cold start and hard acceleration.
Excellent video, very informative, thanks!
Thanks for checking out the video.
Would taking the resonators off make it a bit louder or don’t even bother
I have never heard what it sounds like myself but plenty of people have left comments saying they deleted both
Thanks man keep up the great content
Thanks for checking out the video.
Are there any actual dyno proven HP/TQ gains from removing the Resenators/mid mufflers on 392?
I have not seen any videos showing proof either way. Somebody did say that magnaflow did a video on it but I never found it.
@@DrivewayDreams I have been looking an have not seen to find one either!
Great video. Sweet car! Thanks dude.
Hopefully it helped you out. Thanks for checking out the video. Don't forget to smash that subscribe button 😉
How will it affect your vehicle warranty?? Thxs for video I understand so much more now.
When I got mine done it didn't affect the warranty at all but lately I have had comments left saying that dealerships are now trying to void warranties for it now. I would definitely call and ask your local dealership first. If they tell you it will void the warranty ask about other systems like Flowmaster, magnaflow or corsa because those have always been allowed.
You get double the mileage than me lol i got mine cut today when i do my remote start it pushes my car forward a little
Are you happy with it so far. The cold starts are mean when you do the delete.
@@DrivewayDreams i like the idle and all but when i give it gas its way to loud it doesn’t sound like it shifts just like red line i had a aftermarket cold air intake that sounds nice but can’t hear it no more the pops are nice tho but just sounds like a truck when i give it gas
sounds great! i'll be doing this to my new RT when i pick it up this week.. i'll prolly drive it at least a week before i actually do the mod, but ya i'm a moddin' fool! already got a CAI for it. anyway, i love Borla systems, i had one on my old 98 Z28, and the sound was amazing, not extremely loud though, and no drone. my favorite part of the Borla exhaust was the pops and bangs you get while gearing down, or slowing down, very addictive! ☮
Yeah borla exhaust are awesome never a disappointment.
I did a mid mufflers delete on my 2018 charger and I get 23 mpg around town and 29.5 mpg hwy
Wow 21mpg is impressive. I thought I was doing good at 18mpg
It was a lot of boring highway driving unfortunately.
What year is this? I have an 18 RT, but I also locked the valves open with the bypass kit. Sounds even better.
My scatpack was a 2019
How do you pass emissions?
It helps to know a guy. I believe not having mufflers would actually make you fail the safety portion. Here in Missouri when they do emissions all they do is plug a computer into your obd2 port and look for a check engine codes. Having mufflers is actually part of the safety inspection. When they lift your car up to check your tires and suspension they actually check for mufflers and catalytic converters then. So really you just have to know a shop that really just doesn't give a damn about that. Usually a muffler shop that will do a muffler delete in first place will pass your car if you take it back there for your inspections.
@@DrivewayDreams ok I live in Missouri as well and I am just getting into this stuff. Thanks
@@DrivewayDreams also do you recommend just chopping off the muffler or getting like a axle back or like a catback
@@HenryDittmarLive538 it will save you hassle if you get a system. It's cheaper to get a muffler delete. It totally depends on what you personally like. The Borla Atak system sounds really good. Although I liked my muffler delete if I had to do it again I would go with a system.
So where is the mid muffler? Is it in the way back of the vehicle?
That are actually located underneath car about where the driver and passenger seats are. Check out this video th-cam.com/video/5niq8JTgXfk/w-d-xo.html it kinda shows where they are located
@@DrivewayDreams thank you, I have a Durango r/t and my shop said they can only take out the two back mufflers and put straight pipes in. Will it still have a nice rumble to it
I would think so. I am not entirely sure how the Durango's are set up but it's still a hemi v8 it should still sound good
@@DrivewayDreams thank you,I want to get it done cause I want to show off my V8 hemi! My wife thinks it's a dumb idea though 😢
The Mid muffler delete really is just a cheaper option then going with a complete system. The first day my wife bought her Ram 1500 she put a Flowmaster system on it.
Very well done video Brother!
Thanks. Hopefully it was helpful.
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Awesome! Thanks for the advice I will pass that on. Thanks for checking out the video.
Very good info, str8 to the point, Im getting mine done today on my r/t , thank you and keep the good work
From my understanding eventually this will cause problems with the exhaust valve But not right away
I am definitely not a mechanic by any means so I have no real data to back this up but my thought would be that the catalytic converter would be providing the back pressure everyone seems worried about. What are your thoughts. If you have any info let us know. I would love to get a discussion going on this.
Is there any point in buying exhaust system upgrades and still deleting the mids. Or same crap with stock mid deletes and a tune ? 🤔
If i was going to spend money on a system I would keep that system intact and not delete the mids. Doing the mid muffler delete kinda just a cheaper option than spending money on an aftermarket set-up. Borla and Corsa make some great sounding exhaust systems but your gonna spend quite a bit of money on those.
Driveway Dreams thx man and great vid 👌🏽
any drone?
You do get a some when you are in track mode but its really not bad. My wife never complained about it. You can still listen to the radio or talk on the phone without having to have the volume crazy high.
Can you still pass smog check with the mid muffler delete?
Yes, as long as you retain your rear mufflers and cats.
Thanks for the video
Thanks for checking it out. Glad I could help.
Sweet Fellow Missourian!!!!!
Thanks for hitting that Subscribe button.👍
thanks For this I just got a 5.7 & Im From Missouri Good Feedback
Congratulations on the new ride. Happy I could help. Thanks for checking out the video.
So a mid muffler delete won’t mess up the transmission? My mechanic said I shouldn’t do it . And leave my car stock cause he said it can mess up the engine
Almost every dodge out there now has a muffler delete. That stock muffler isn't doing anything besides making the car quieter. I have never seen a transmission go bad because of the muffler.
It's not going to do anything to your transmission. If he's telling you that, he must not be much of a mechanic. No affect whatsoever. That is so stupid.
@@atlantis8466 crazy you just replied back to that , I literally got my mid muffler delete and resonators delete today!
Will this affect gas mileage during long drives ? Say hour + drives ?
I drove an hour each way to work and still got 21 mpg
Great video.. great information
Thanks for checking it out
I was told by dealership that if I removed the muffler on my 1320 challenger it voids the warranty. On the whole car since I pd over 50k for my car I'm not messing with
I wonder if they are cracking down on it. The dealership i used didn't care at all. In fact I have buddies that work for dealerships and they have it done to their cars and it didn't void their warranty. I wonder why they even care it does change anything it just makes the car louder.
@@DrivewayDreams well you answered part of that question they work for the dealership. So they can get away with some stuff. But since my car is just a month old. I'll probably look into it around the spring time. The car is going into the garage for the bad weather days. Here in NJ The drivers are not the best in snow and ice.
Well you picked up a awesome ride congratulations. Maybe I'll do a little investigating and see what I can get answered about this. It is a shame that companies are being this petty about modifications.
@@DrivewayDreams thank you and let me know what you find out. I'm not doing anything until after the winter. ? Did you install. This oil catch can everyone is talking about. If you did what did you go with . expensive or inexpensive
Everyone goes with the one from billet technologies
Ya loose low end power don't do it . If ya want it louder move the active flap to the outside of the pipe . Leave the mid muffler it designed for it. Between the mid delete n installing a cold air intake ya loose about 10 to 20% low end . Not recommended.
There has definitely been a lot of debate both ways. I personally didn't notice any difference and actually raced a stock scatpack and literally neck and neck no difference. I should have done a video about it when I still had my scatpack definitely would have been a good video idea. Thanks for checking out the video and leaving your comment always open for discussion. Just trying to help people out.
@@DrivewayDreams me also I own 3 hemis . 2006 daytona , 2015 durango rt, n 2017 392 daytona . I learned the hard way about power loss. 06 is heavily modified. Start with muffler delete. My 390 hp 0n dyno dropped 15% from 2500 to 3500 rpm . So I put a mopar intake thought I would gain back . Got much more top end lost even more low end . Then talk to a dealer tech friend told me to put it all back . It was damaged in a flood. So that was not an option. He hooked me up with a stage 3 chip n an under drive pully kit . Was the only way to get back what was lost n then some . Now it's 495whp n 501 torque. But cost me around $7000 because of me messin with it. Now it's ready for a $10,000 blower though
@@DrivewayDreams it's true about needing the back pressure it helps open n close the valves so yya do put extra wear on the already strained roller lifters. Biggest killer of the new hemis is sitting n idling . That's why ya see a lot of police cruiser hemis getting lifters n valves done early life
@@DrivewayDreams you have a nice ride there done destroy it my man. Looks almost like my 17 daytona. If ya watch the videos of these morons with the hell cats line locking n doughnut burn outs. It's the worst thing to do to them . Over heats bearings in the superchargers n burns them out. $15000 to replace n not covered under warranty. Was gonna buy a used 1 but every 1 I looked at had like a valve tick coming from the blower when it wasn't running. So asked my friend if it was normal n he told me about it. So gonna save my $$$$buy a new 1 . Like the rebal trx n hell cat durangos might pick 1 up to add to my collection. Good luck with yours man be safe
I sold mine back in October I just picked up a Nissan GT-R
Thank you man for the informations , l’ve just about to do muffler delete on my jeep WK and i was wandering if there any “side effect” if do so.
Glad I could help.
Can you get the car tuned to the new back pressure
The short answer is yes but I found an article that explains it if you are interested. drivetribe.com/p/how-does-exhaust-backpressure-work-UVtF94NcRtGs2lm_FD8dlg
Wait so I can get away legally with a muffler delete as long as I keep the resonators?
Good stuff..
Thanks for checking out the video
Did deleting your mid mufflers void your warranty on the car?
I didn't have any issues with the dealership when I cut mine off