Videos breaking down what actually makes one move so good are a cool idea. It's something you learn intuitively by playing the game enough, yet made easy to understand for those who haven't
@@counterpicky right, falcon upair just **feels** good to me because it's fast, denies airspace, and has good knockback scaling, but it's something people don't really talk about.
Really amazing video! One other part that wasn’t covered: due to Falcon’s amazing aerial drift, not only does he get the option to overshoot really far with up airs, but he also gets the ability to retreat. Doing a dash forward drift forward SH up air to catch an opponent on platform is great, but if they call it out, they can shield punish the endlag. Falcon can mitigate this by doing a dash forward into drift back instant up air, which both covers the platform in front of you while also moving away from your opponent during the end lag of the attack.
This video made me think about how the Captain has a bad matchup vs. Fox and Falco partially because their short hops are so low, and they don't need to jump as far into vulnerable airspace in order to attack him with aerials
Cool video! Although I have to admit I clicked because I thought the thumbnail was falcon's getup attack and was ready to have my mind blown somehow. Upair makes a bit more sense
Definitely noticed the huge difference between Wizz and aspiring falcon players before him (aside from chain grabs and tech chases) this guy is ALWAYS using his up air, even inches from the ground just to try to scoop and attempt to pop his opponent up for more aerial punishment.
I've always wondered why everyone played so grounded against Cap Falcon. I was how does he get his neutral b if melee is a platformer with emphasis on jumping? You learn something new all the time with this game. Thanks for the vid
@AlanTheNoob ganons up air has a third hitbox after the first two that hits almost entirely behind him and sends at a down and away angle (semi-spike) people call it the tipman
absolutely loved this video. would be really cool to see a series of videos like this covering what makes certain moves so good/central to a characters gameplan
This is a great video! I'm a puff player who's been subpar at the falcon matchup, and this helped me understand it even better! I always knew I needed to play more grounded but it was never explained to me in this way
@@andrewferguson6901 in the video he reads the numbers off smashwiki which are very far from the whole story. Falcon's dash-jump momentum is far faster than his terminal airspeed and this is never mentioned.
Amazing video mate, love this type of analysis, think it'll be really helpful and engaging to the community! Can't wait to see more, keep it up chief and set up a patreon or something
I legit think falcon beats puff in this meta. He's one of the only characters that can challenge her in the air and he can consistently kill her at insanely low percents like fox and marth can. All she really has on him is her edge guarding but falcon deals with that in every mu
Analyzing stuff like: "This player made this neutral decision x times because of this, on this other situation y times" its so underrated and useful info
What I like to do against it is fake going to platform and fast fall through, baiting them to approach with up air If they do it’s pretty easy to punish on reaction
@@artminer6 That's just cause the top players aren't doing it properly. Falcon is number 5, maybe number 4 tied with sheik. Falco is number 6, maybe even 7 with yoshi at 6. Mango is simply a God God. Falcon beats falco, but for some reason none of the top players have taken the time to get gud at powershielding
good video. even in falcon dittos i always notice the falcon who jumps much less will win. n0ne is good becuase he can use cc a lot. where as someone who relies on jumping more like s2j tends to struggle in the ditto.
Quality content. I think it would cover even more space on plat if you were to RAR falcon's UAir too. Only big issue is shield drop which is tough to play around regardless.
RAR ain’t in melee but I feel the sentiment - closest we can get is moonwalk uair or a super tight pivot max drift up air - if RAR was in melee this would be a perfect game
Look i played mellee for a very short time. But that was enough for me to LOVE the move. Then i came back to ultimate, i was traumatized. Now i can't play ultimate whitout HDR.
Nice video! But after interacting with melee for almost 20 years I am sick of this game. I dont want to ever see this stupid game ever again, god damn it.
@@aDSdl_l I played it way too much. Im sure I spend 100k hours on it. Its like listening to a song over and over and over again. I just cant stand this game anymore.
I’m not that great at this game, but sometimes when I’m getting shit on in unranked I ask myself if there’s anything else I can do with this game besides getting dumped on by slippi player 5k
yeah lets pretend that falcon actually counters puff and ignore wizzy only started to win vs hbox back in 2019 with the score being heavily hbox favored from there and backwards
This viewpoint is too narrowed in on data and ignores applicability. Yes, falcon's speed is a large part of what makes him viable in the first place, but being fast by conventional game standards doesnt matter once you consider movement tech in general (wavedashing, wave-landing, aerial cancling, character-specific movement tech, etc). If you line every character up and press right on the left stick, yes he'll move fastest, but how often in melee are you running in a straight line? Second, he ignores the fact that its an aerial attack. Shine (unarguably the best move in the game), is a 1 FRAME MOVE, and can be used anywhere at any time, standing, in air, etc. Falcon has to jump and use his move with enough frames and the proper spacing to even get any value out of it at realistic %'s (not to mention u-air at 0% isnt going to help you at all, for example). Moves like shine get guaranteed value at all %'s, and you dont even need to jump for them. And lastly, he doesnt consider the move in context to the character. Even if falcon is the fastest character, and even if his u-air was somehow the best move in the game, those attributes are attached to a heavy character with an otherwise somewhat limited moveset, and notoriously terrible recovery. Game and Watch's 9 hammer, Roy's charged neutral, Gannon's neutral special... all amazing moves, but yet they are all bottom tier. This video had too much of a directed narritive to be objective.
I haven't played melee competitive in years, but i still watch tournaments and all that type of content and i want to say good video man, it's educative and fun to watch, keep doing shit like this man
Fiction played Sheik at Big House 11 for fun, and made a tweet about wizzy "air wobbling" him. I didn't understand it completely at the time, but I can assume he meant Wizzrobe stuffed out his platform movement with up-air. Denying his game plan and finding easy stocks. great video 👍
Only melee players could come up with such a stupid name, which is coincidentally the name of a true infinite in the same game, for basically playing sound, zoning and punishing movement accordingly
This is a pretty fascinating video! I always like thinking about how people's playstyles change in response to different characters, so this is a very informative video to me.
shield drop can usually counterplay it though and then you can faint like you will jump and bait out an up air and anti air it. I guess it fits title cuz it "redefines" the MU to an extent don't make it sound like it's unbeatable and platforms are useless. Point out flaws in future vids
Great video! Falcon's sharking below platforms is something I've also noticed is strong, but never thought to delve deeper into the whys beyond "yeah it covers most of the platform" I hope you make more videos like this dissecting specific moves! A video about Sheik or Marth's moves would be really cool!
It is cool how you can very clearly see hbox going over or under that space around the side platforms height where short hop upair from falcon covers. Nuts
Nice video! I think most regular melee players sort of understand the threat of Falcon's up air intuitively, but you did a great job explaining it in words. The example sets you chose were really excellent as well, I liked that you demonstrated how the counterplay can be actually be seen and measured, rather than just picking a set where some Falcon goes crazy juggling someone
Captain Falcon as far as I've seen him in every Smash Bros game I've ever played vs him is a monster in the air...he's usually a major cheese champion in For Glory back when I used to attempt this. I've moved on mostly to other fighting games but if I get back into Smash bros again I'll keep this in mind.
Except Ganon doesn’t have the same threat range that falcon does. If falcon had Ganons up air though, that would be a different story. Although it might make combos worse for falcon at higher percents
![[SSBU] Jumping is Overpowered](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/BmcpWL4FEp8/mqdefault.jpg)
Videos breaking down what actually makes one move so good are a cool idea. It's something you learn intuitively by playing the game enough, yet made easy to understand for those who haven't
It's like having your subconscious instincts put into words
death, taxes, Seal in the comments of any new melee video essay
@drakeeshleman4519 always a pointless comment too
@@counterpicky right, falcon upair just **feels** good to me because it's fast, denies airspace, and has good knockback scaling, but it's something people don't really talk about.
@@firstlast3313 pointless hating. go win a major
Really amazing video! One other part that wasn’t covered: due to Falcon’s amazing aerial drift, not only does he get the option to overshoot really far with up airs, but he also gets the ability to retreat. Doing a dash forward drift forward SH up air to catch an opponent on platform is great, but if they call it out, they can shield punish the endlag. Falcon can mitigate this by doing a dash forward into drift back instant up air, which both covers the platform in front of you while also moving away from your opponent during the end lag of the attack.
This video made me think about how the Captain has a bad matchup vs. Fox and Falco partially because their short hops are so low, and they don't need to jump as far into vulnerable airspace in order to attack him with aerials
Cool video!
Although I have to admit I clicked because I thought the thumbnail was falcon's getup attack and was ready to have my mind blown somehow. Upair makes a bit more sense
Dude this is actually so helpful as a samus player you have no idea. Needed to hear this.
Definitely noticed the huge difference between Wizz and aspiring falcon players before him (aside from chain grabs and tech chases) this guy is ALWAYS using his up air, even inches from the ground just to try to scoop and attempt to pop his opponent up for more aerial punishment.
I've always wondered why everyone played so grounded against Cap Falcon. I was how does he get his neutral b if melee is a platformer with emphasis on jumping? You learn something new all the time with this game. Thanks for the vid
This is BIG for the DK-Yoshi matchup
I’m convinced that if Falcon’s up air had Ganon’s late semi-spike, he’d be S tier
What's a semi spike and how does it work on Ganon?
@@growaplanti think he's talking about the wild angle it can send you at if you time it correctly.
@@growaplant I think the end of Ganon's up air sends the opponent downwards. (Kind of like pikachu up air)
The tipman spike!
@AlanTheNoob ganons up air has a third hitbox after the first two that hits almost entirely behind him and sends at a down and away angle (semi-spike) people call it the tipman
absolutely loved this video. would be really cool to see a series of videos like this covering what makes certain moves so good/central to a characters gameplan
2:11 all the way across battlefield, sir this is yoshis
No it's battlefield
Nuh uh
had to drop a fat like for that tony hawk sound effect
Streets of Rage music goes really well with any video game discussion.
so true! im gonna tell everyone i know about falcon upair, and the drift, and other such points made
Good 🅱ideo
I don’t play Melee but I love content like this. Great work!!!
I'm thoroughly convinced the best three moves in melee are
Rest,
Shine,
In falcon up air.
Thank you for validating my beliefs lol
This is a great video! I'm a puff player who's been subpar at the falcon matchup, and this helped me understand it even better! I always knew I needed to play more grounded but it was never explained to me in this way
Also Falcon keeps faaaaar more dash/run speed into the air than any other character.
Tell me you didn't watch the video lol
@@andrewferguson6901 in the video he reads the numbers off smashwiki which are very far from the whole story. Falcon's dash-jump momentum is far faster than his terminal airspeed and this is never mentioned.
If this game had RAR we'd be fucked, imagine how much coverage falcon would have with RAR up air
Why do that qhen you can just play ganon lmao
0:50 why is it blurry guitar hero in the background
And _that’s_ how he can just walk up slowly and down smash.
God I love Louisiana Melee
Amazing video mate, love this type of analysis, think it'll be really helpful and engaging to the community! Can't wait to see more, keep it up chief and set up a patreon or something
I legit think falcon beats puff in this meta. He's one of the only characters that can challenge her in the air and he can consistently kill her at insanely low percents like fox and marth can. All she really has on him is her edge guarding but falcon deals with that in every mu
Very Good Video! Thanks, 1st time ive seen content from you
Analyzing stuff like: "This player made this neutral decision x times because of this, on this other situation y times" its so underrated and useful info
also helps that on fd and most stages ig you can stuff short hop approaches with stationary falcon nairs
Captain falcon’s UAIR is such a WEIRD move to code AI for lmaooo
I was confused when I read coding for AI, then I realized who's comment this was lmao. Hi, fudge.
What I like to do against it is fake going to platform and fast fall through, baiting them to approach with up air
If they do it’s pretty easy to punish on reaction
Great vid ❤
Great video, as always!
that was a well put together video. im just commenting for the algorithm tho
marth sh ac nair has entered the chat
Awesome video!
>falcon
>not a dominant s tier
pick one
I mean he is A tier (still #6 though)
@@artminer6 That's just cause the top players aren't doing it properly. Falcon is number 5, maybe number 4 tied with sheik. Falco is number 6, maybe even 7 with yoshi at 6. Mango is simply a God God.
Falcon beats falco, but for some reason none of the top players have taken the time to get gud at powershielding
@@BoondockskickassNo lol stop with the wank.
Falcon is 6th.
Fox, Marth, Jigglypuff, Falco, and Shiek are just better. Falco demolishes Falcon.
@@Boondockskickass Yeah tier list needs a new update soon, yoshi, dk, falcon, etc all have gone up a few tiers
@@artminer6 Honestly game and watch too, unless I'm just totally clueless in the MU
commenting for the algorithm
good video. even in falcon dittos i always notice the falcon who jumps much less will win. n0ne is good becuase he can use cc a lot. where as someone who relies on jumping more like s2j tends to struggle in the ditto.
Very cool video! Thanks for making it!
Good video! Subbed
Quality content. I think it would cover even more space on plat if you were to RAR falcon's UAir too. Only big issue is shield drop which is tough to play around regardless.
RAR ain’t in melee but I feel the sentiment - closest we can get is moonwalk uair or a super tight pivot max drift up air - if RAR was in melee this would be a perfect game
Look i played mellee for a very short time.
But that was enough for me to LOVE the move.
Then i came back to ultimate, i was traumatized.
Now i can't play ultimate whitout HDR.
ggs that was me
Now I need to know what GH3 song (on-disc, dlc or custom) was playing in the background.
This video is moist
Great video
great vid
Couldn’t this also apply to mewtwo as well if we consider his wavedashing and nair?
Golf swing baybeeee 🎉🎉🎉
sick vid! falcon is still trash tho (falcon main)
Nice video! But after interacting with melee for almost 20 years I am sick of this game. I dont want to ever see this stupid game ever again, god damn it.
lol what
@@aDSdl_l I played it way too much. Im sure I spend 100k hours on it. Its like listening to a song over and over and over again. I just cant stand this game anymore.
So true queen
Good for you.
@@SassyTakes thank you
Le poggeritos
love this!
Poggies
engagement
Sick video
People still making videos on a game that’s 20+ years old, that’s wild
whats he doing to fox??
I’m not that great at this game, but sometimes when I’m getting shit on in unranked I ask myself if there’s anything else I can do with this game besides getting dumped on by slippi player 5k
So real
yeah lets pretend that falcon actually counters puff and ignore wizzy only started to win vs hbox back in 2019 with the score being heavily hbox favored from there and backwards
Is this about the air wobble?
Nice. I'll make sure to ban him from bf in ultimate
How about puff’s back air it can cover air space too .I think Captain falcon is overrated.
how Melee players make up bullshit to defend their bug-ridden game from 2 decades ago 🤯
if you can name one legit thing he made up in the video ill venmo u 10 dollars
How scientists come up with bullshit to explain the world and its phenomenons
You don’t have to like the game, but these are just the game’s mechanics
Idk what could be “made up”
Video games in general contain hit boxes and hurt boxes so idk what you could be referring to
This viewpoint is too narrowed in on data and ignores applicability.
Yes, falcon's speed is a large part of what makes him viable in the first place, but being fast by conventional game standards doesnt matter once you consider movement tech in general (wavedashing, wave-landing, aerial cancling, character-specific movement tech, etc). If you line every character up and press right on the left stick, yes he'll move fastest, but how often in melee are you running in a straight line?
Second, he ignores the fact that its an aerial attack. Shine (unarguably the best move in the game), is a 1 FRAME MOVE, and can be used anywhere at any time, standing, in air, etc. Falcon has to jump and use his move with enough frames and the proper spacing to even get any value out of it at realistic %'s (not to mention u-air at 0% isnt going to help you at all, for example). Moves like shine get guaranteed value at all %'s, and you dont even need to jump for them.
And lastly, he doesnt consider the move in context to the character. Even if falcon is the fastest character, and even if his u-air was somehow the best move in the game, those attributes are attached to a heavy character with an otherwise somewhat limited moveset, and notoriously terrible recovery. Game and Watch's 9 hammer, Roy's charged neutral, Gannon's neutral special... all amazing moves, but yet they are all bottom tier.
This video had too much of a directed narritive to be objective.
whats blood yapping about
Ganon's neutral special is mazing now? what
I haven't played melee competitive in years, but i still watch tournaments and all that type of content and i want to say good video man, it's educative and fun to watch, keep doing shit like this man
Fiction played Sheik at Big House 11 for fun, and made a tweet about wizzy "air wobbling" him. I didn't understand it completely at the time, but I can assume he meant Wizzrobe stuffed out his platform movement with up-air. Denying his game plan and finding easy stocks. great video 👍
air wobbling is more about how all falcon's aerials combo into eachother (especially upair into a few more upairs or a knee)
Only melee players could come up with such a stupid name, which is coincidentally the name of a true infinite in the same game, for basically playing sound, zoning and punishing movement accordingly
@@ultralowspekkenNot only melee players have a sense of humor if that is what you are saying.
@@ultralowspekkenthis dude definitely got air wobbled against Falcon lmao
@@ultralowspekkenguys go easy on him, it’s his first day and he doesn’t know what a joke is yet 💀
This is a pretty fascinating video! I always like thinking about how people's playstyles change in response to different characters, so this is a very informative video to me.
I play 64 and this also applies to 64 falcon so this was a nice reminder to stay on the ground, Ty
Shoutout to sirmeris!! Great vid~
yeah if you're above falcon, you're fucked
Well done on the video usually don’t watch much melee content. This video caught my attention though.
shield drop can usually counterplay it though and then you can faint like you will jump and bait out an up air and anti air it. I guess it fits title cuz it "redefines" the MU to an extent don't make it sound like it's unbeatable and platforms are useless. Point out flaws in future vids
I'd love to see one of these for good moves on a worse/"bad" character, example being Link upb
Bro I’m crying why do you have guitar hero 3 as your green screen lmfao
@1:43 edging mentioned
5:21 MY MOM
I didn't know his upair stayed out like that, that's wild
More videos like this you earned a sub my dude this is incredible
Peach players will create a whole video complaining about a move, instead of just learning counterplay.
Great video! Falcon's sharking below platforms is something I've also noticed is strong, but never thought to delve deeper into the whys beyond "yeah it covers most of the platform"
I hope you make more videos like this dissecting specific moves! A video about Sheik or Marth's moves would be really cool!
It is cool how you can very clearly see hbox going over or under that space around the side platforms height where short hop upair from falcon covers. Nuts
peahc
nice hair, bro
You sounds exactly like Lanipatr lol
Cool content! I'm going to write down various words about it in order for you.
yoo can I get your texture pack?? Fun video btw
Oooh! Do Marths D-Tilt!
what is bro on about
Nice video! I think most regular melee players sort of understand the threat of Falcon's up air intuitively, but you did a great job explaining it in words. The example sets you chose were really excellent as well, I liked that you demonstrated how the counterplay can be actually be seen and measured, rather than just picking a set where some Falcon goes crazy juggling someone
as someone who doesnt play melee but loves watching the competitive scene, these videos are so fascinating. looking forward to more!
Great video!
dude i be getting FU*KED up by this move across the stage as marth lol
Captain Falcon as far as I've seen him in every Smash Bros game I've ever played vs him is a monster in the air...he's usually a major cheese champion in For Glory back when I used to attempt this.
I've moved on mostly to other fighting games but if I get back into Smash bros again I'll keep this in mind.
That was really informative and fun
captain falcoj is hype
im feelin like the king of platforms
Ganon up-air is more oppressive. Stronger, more active frames.
Except Ganon doesn’t have the same threat range that falcon does. If falcon had Ganons up air though, that would be a different story. Although it might make combos worse for falcon at higher percents
Let’s go sirmerisq