My thoughts on the Ken Tamplin VS Wings Of Pegasus debate. www.ricofranchi.com ricotheunknown ricotheunknown www.tiktok.com/@ricotheunknown info@ricofranchi.com
There is no Ken vs Fil. It's a clear case of exposure of fraud. All Fil did was what he's been doing for years - analyzing vocals/performances using reliable data based on requests from viewers. No opinion, no disparagement, just the facts. Since KT is responding in an extremely defensive way shows that he is digging a deeper hole for himself.
@RicoTheUnknown You're ok man !! I watched it, I'm a FIL fan, so inclined to explicit bias, but humbly I say, I'm a wee bit sharper than than to be fooled on a subject so obvious !! 🎸 🎸 🎸 Go bonnie SCOTLAND!!😊 Paisley man myself ... THISTLES ROCK !!!
If KT would just admit it, he'd be fine, and good with his fans, ...maybe more popular?? But he still denies and deletes. I admit to being a FIL fan, mainly because of his INTEGRITY ! 🌟
@CraigFox-lt6lt ken and fil they are both almost identical personalities. i understand the first guy to do a video was one of these kgb online influencer channels that have been infiltrating the USA just about ever since there was internet on computers . although that was only just my first impression . i could be wrong. 🙏
I thought you did a fine job of giving your opinion without getting involved in the heated discussion. I've been watching Fil for years. His vocal analysis videos have nothing to do with any one person. It's about what the music industry has done to recording artist and the music we buy today. Vocals and harmonies have been auto tuned, pitch corrected and altered. Yes, I still have my library of original vinyl but that's not the point. Unless the music industry decides to release the original unaltered recordings, we have lost the ability to ever hear the original recordings. Recording artist i.e. Freddie Mercury, The Bee Gees, The Eagles etc. The record labels have gone in and altered all these old recordings and rereleased them. This is the story Fil is uncovering for us all to see. Thank you Fil
I have to respectfully disagree-his singing ability is definitely questionable. As a working musician, I’ve heard many experienced vocalists raise serious concerns, especially those who perform regularly. When you’re singing week after week, even small technique issues can affect your ability to keep working and earning a living. I work as a musical director for theatre and stage shows (and other gigs), which means I spend a lot of time working with vocal instructors during rehearsals, helping singers refine their parts. Using Ken’s approach would be a real challenge in a live setting. We use in-ear monitors, everything is synced to a click track, but the singers still have to hit every note consistently. You have to be realistic about what a vocalist can do night after night, and make adjustments to the score when needed. In the early 2000s, I worked on Wicked, and it damaged many great singers due to overuse. That’s why big shows now rotate cast members and use alternate keys to prevent vocal strain and most importantly, hire their talent based off of reliability over flash. I say this because Ken’s “stylistic examples” often just sound like a single unstable noise using his exaggerated “T-rex tongue” technique, which makes it hard to take his approach seriously. If you can’t use the same technique to sing an entire section of a song without strain, then good luck singing through a wedding gig for 3 hours. I get that vocal coaches sometimes use unusual exercises to explore different sounds, but Ken’s methods aren’t something a professional could sustain for a full set without risking vocal damage. The fact that he edits tracks together and mimes over them while claiming it’s live is also misleading. I've worked with great rock singers and it's all about pacing yourself, you can't go 100% all the time night after night. The bigger issue is that Ken markets his course as a safe way to sing and claims he’s received offers from famous bands (like Motley Crue) to support his method. None of this has been proven, and it’s misleading for people who want to build a serious singing career but can’t afford expensive lessons or a music degree.
@@Scotmend I sang for a living for 22 years, 6 nights a week. Whether you like his voice or not, is relative. He sounds very nasal to me, but never the less can sing and play. It's the way he's handled the situation. Frankly, lame and now comes across like a poser.
@PorcelainLeigh I understand that music is subjective, and you're right about personal taste regarding his voice. However, I wasn’t addressing the subjective elements; I was referring to his approach, which I find lacking. I feel qualified to express this because I have years of experience practicing my craft as an MD, just as you have as a singer. Unfortunately, Ken simply hasn’t done that-he doesn’t perform often enough for these issues to be addressed. His one live date this year was exposed as involving some miming, which suggests that his approach isn’t effective. I wouldn’t hold Ken to such a professional standard if he had always been honest, but as you mentioned, he’s not, which raises concerns when he advises others on safe singing. I understand what you are saying about Ken in his prime and that's valid. But nowadays you can hear foundational issues in his pre- done recordings which he mimes to, like pushing too hard, which leads to instability and pitch problems. In my role as an MD, I hire based on objective skill and ability, as my decisions focus on reliability rather than personal taste. I’m not claiming to be the best either, but I’ve had the privilege of working with world-class MDs, which was humbling. I learned so much in just a few weeks, yet Ken never seems to discuss this aspect of mastery. Every masterclass I’ve attended by great instrumentalists or vocalists has included an acknowledgment that others can do things better. I find Ken's dishonesty surprising, especially given the incredible older voices out there. There’s no shame in lowering tunes, whether in pitch or intensity. I often adjust parts for 20-year-olds because my priority is making the song sound good, night after night. This usually means getting the band to play quieter in certain sections to exaggerate the dynamics; it’s subtle, but it allows the vocals to shine. Ultimately, a good singer is a joy to listen to, and it’s unfair to push them to sing something like "Let It Go" at full tilt 15 times a week. Look at Idina Menzel-she can barely sing now because she pushed too hard for too long.
I had never heard of Ken prior to Ken's response to Fil's video and I don't really care whether he can or can't sing. The fact that Ken would allow his followers to harass someone like Fil with the purest of integrity and intent rather than admit the truth to his followers tells you everything you need to know about Ken.
Spot on. Fil never said that Ken wasn't a good singer. Fil is too polite and too humble to say anything like that. His analysis was regarding that particular performance only. Contrast the class of FIl with Ken's in your face, brazen combative reactions. All he needs to do is accept that he can't defy aging and come off his high horse. Instead he has been gaslighting. SMH. Considering you are familiar with Fil, why the caption with "vs"? Came across Fil more than an year ago to watch him analyze The Warning & interview them. He has integrity. And that matters.
Ken tries to confuse the issue. The smoking gun is really his 2020 live stream of Livin’ for my Lord, which Fil analyzed and then Ken responded by deleting it from his channel, which is in itself very telling). Using backing tracks and lip syncing are two different things. When bands use backing tracks (which is quite common as Ken correctly states) they are complementing their live sound (typically with backing vocals and/or keyboards). When singers lip sync, the pre recorded lead vocal is there and the singer is pretending to be hitting those notes. The criticism that Ken is facing is not about backing tracks, but lip syncing. I left respectful comments in Ken’s videos telling him he can still rock and asking him not to double-down and own his lip syncing and he has deleted them. (I have screenshots). His ego will be his undoing.
Unfortunately yes. Usually i feel sorry for someone who is butchered online but Ken makes it impossible to feel sorry for him. He's digging his own grave.
Ken has a long history of deleting even mildly critical comments to his videos. It's why every video comment section is nothing but a wall of glowing praise.
@gpowellish1 why does Fil need students in this conversation?? Because someone got caught lip singing, the person who exposed him need students so you believe him even with proof?
The fact is that Ken can actually sing, and sing well and (--check my channels, I'm not Ken!), Fil simply objectively highlighted Ken's isolated vocal tracks and found that Ken was miming IN CERTAIN PARTS of his live performances. Fil was totally respectful and objective, stating many times that he has no skin in the game, no dog in the fight, and that he has no animosity toward Ken, and that Ken can actually sing, and that Ken IS singing in the lower registers. All Ken had to do was admit it, and explain why - because he obviously wants consistency in his live performances /he's getting on in years / he wants to save his voice into the future, etc... This issue has spiraled out of control because of Ken's vehement and childish gaslighting retorts. Whenever someone behaves in this manner, we immediately give them the side-eye and wonder what they're hiding.
A few years ago, I heard Ken sing Maybe I'm Amazed. I told my friend, after seeing the video, that there is no way given what I heard that Ken could replicate that night after night, and his performances were just one off stuff to sell his course. His voice sounded too restricted and pushed at times. Little did I know he was miming a lot of his stuff. He has a great lower to mid tone, but that is it for my ears.
When someone claims status of Christian it usually means something not good. It means you are dealing with somebody swimming in certainty with a method to immediately discard responsibility for his misdeeds/sins. Somebody not to trust.
Christian bashing again. Judgemental to assume all Christians are dishonest. Any human can be dishonest, regardless of their beliefs or non beliefs. Fils video was requested and he did prove Ken was lip synching. Not good for sure.Judging all Christian people wasn’t the point of Fils video. Many Christians are sincerely nice honest people. Very narrow view you have. Wonder if Ken was another faith would you have used the language you have all in caps at end of your comment. As a Christian, I am against Kens dishonesty. It’s sad today that being dishonest has become so prevalent in the human race. Also sorry Kens dishonesty has put a stigma on Christians, as I have read far to many comments unfairly bashing all Christians, which is just as unjust as Ken’s dishonesty.
@@Chez8922-kf6cy Please don't paint with a broad brush. I've know honest Christians and dishonest Christians. I've known honest atheists and dishonest atheists. At the end of the day, we're all human with human failings. The only thing each of us needs to concern ourselves with is what will happen to us when we are ultimately judged by God. Will he say, "Well done, my good and faithful servant," or will he say, "Depart from me, you sinner, for I never knew you"?
I think the music industry needs a reckoning because the fakery and tuning has gotten out of hand and modern audiences don't seem to understand how rampant it is.
Yes but he mimed the solo so unreal perfectly that it was 100% his own 1 take recording he played to. It was just playback, nothing wrong with that as it was sort of obviois with the facial expression but he should have mentionned it.
Moreover, the fretboard wasn't visible during that note because, coincidentally, he shifted the guitar right at that moment. Clearly he knows how to play all the parts of the solo, so I imagine he just didn't realize that he wasn't going to be able to "play" that note on that guitar until the moment before, and did the only thing he could do to protect the illusion.
Why do you consider this to be a "versus"? Fil simply gave a thorough and exquisite analysis with a rock solid conclusion that eventually got confirmed by Ken Tamplin himself. It's not a debate. It's not a discussion. The only thing that can be considered a 'discussion' is how Ken Tamplin is handling this entire situation (and in my opinion that's really, REALLY poor).
If you watch the video, that’s exactly what I said. The reason I used the VS wording, is because Ken and his fans are denying any wrongdoing and calling Fil a liar.
@@RicoTheUnknown Thing is: Tamplin acknowledged the use of backing tracks in one of his videos as well as a written response. One of the later video's Fil did on this (also his last one, one might add) mentioned/showed this.
Fil wouldn’t. Don Henley didn’t accuse him of doing that when people sent Fil their recordings of Desperado from different concerts. Don wisely said nothing, and has now recorded (or dug up) new/different tracks to lip sync to.
Here's the thing for me. People are, by nature, fairly forgiving especially when it doesn't directly affect them. People make bad choices and no one expects Ken's voice to sound now like it did in 1990. Had he just owned this, sincerely apologized and moved forward, i don't think this would have been more than a speed bump. But Ken's doubling down, removing comments, and deleting questionable videos just makes him look petty and arrogant. That he cloaks all of this in his faith makes it even worse. Come on Ken. Just own it. We already know the truth so your pretending we don't is just a bad strategy.
I used his course. It was pretty good. Still do some of the exercises he demonstrated. In the course I never saw any arrogance from his side. On TH-cam and livestreams it does shine through that he is sort of full of himself. The way he approached this whole debacle was the most terrible thing though. That's where the real controversy began. His way of attempting to rationalize himself out of trouble has backfired. It sounded like a 15 year old that was caught by the parents. He should have said that "yes we did use some backing tracks and some of the lead vocals was on it". The story would not have caught fire if he had been honest and objective.
Nice presentation. Ken should just be honest about it. He can still be a great vocal coach even if he is past his prime and is open about it. I have an in-law whose voice deteriorated after singing opera for years, but she can still teach technique. Think about the older gymnasts, skaters, skiers and dancers who can no longer do a triple axel, or dance en pointe, etc., but can teach others so very well - at the Olympic level! At this stage in Tamplin’s career, it’s his lack of integrity that will bring him down, not his loss of range or other natural decreases in singing ability. Just my 2¢.
I'm neither a singer nor a musician, but I spent a long time in the music industry as a retail manager and other things, so I have seen firsthand the public's attitude towards this sort of thing. I think Fil has alluded to this, Rico you just touched on it as well, and I agreed with it 100% - my opinion is - at the end of the day singers are entertainers and in the job of entertaining people they may use the tools at hand to do various things, like any other profession, but they MUST be honest about what tools they are using and when. The public is generally not concerned too much when you're dealing with One Direction, who are almost 100% entertainment, as opposed to the other end of the spectrum of pure musicians and singers. The more you get to the Bob Dylan end of the music world, the more upset people might be to discover he's used Auto-tune or backing tracks. Also, when I was a retail music store manager in the 90s, theft was a huge problem, and I dealt with a LOT of unscrupulous liars and learned their ways of talking and behaving when caught. You know where I'm going with this but I'm not going to say it for legal reasons. 🙂
ALL of you are a decade late. Myself, Robert Lunte, Brett Manning, Tony O'Hora and James Lugo have known he's been lip syncing for over 10 years. We never publicly called him out on it for fear of backlash in looking petty and jealous. If you watch our videos from 6-8 years ago, you'll see veiled references to Ken and his fakery.
Wow! That's really interesting. It's a shame to see that. I'm sure he had a great voice at one point but maybe it's gone and he can't sustain a full gig any more. Who knows? I'll keep putting my singing videos on here anyway, in hope that I can get as big a following as him one day 😂. Thanks for watching 🙏🏼
Also, after sending that reply, I've just realised that it's you Kevin. You have a great voice. I've seen some of your videos in the past. Fantastic mate 🙌🏼
How about the self-proclaimed guitar guru that he’s technique is so awkward it’s a cringefest to watch him play honestly., what about the time he dissed Freddie Mercury on his live performance, the time he did to Bach as well and many others., or the tongue? What the hell is with that so-called advanced resonating vocal technique that only HE seems to do it in the whole history of great singers. Yes he can sing but the ego behind the persona is just bad real bad.
it is as some people say a cult like following if you adopt kens cult take on Jealously being the reason for calling out Ken then Ken is jealous of Freddie Mercury and Bach but his fans would say nooo that's different but it exactly the same thing
Never heard of Ken Tamplin until Fil’s video. If this guy can sing and play at such a high level, why did he feel the need to lip sync parts of his songs/performances and mime his own guitar playing and go to the added fakery of having headphones on, in his latest reply video?
I can understand adding compression and reverb during production, but not auto-tuning a bad note here and there. My best example, The Beatles. They would bang out a song in one or two takes, then proceed to do the next song 50 times before they were happy with it. The notes weren't all perfect, but the songs were perfect, and still are to this day. Technology can't capture spirit and emotion.
I agree, but most people don’t have time for 50 takes, and if there’s something to help shorten the time in the studio, people will use it. I’m not saying I agree but we live in a modern technological world.
Well said, the Beatles embraced experimentation and studio practice. They would use the 50 takes to refine melodies and arrangements. I suppose this whole debate can be summed up by: when you hear a bad take, do you work on why it sucked or try to polish it? (Spoiler: you can’t polish a turd.)
@@Scotmend Singers should practice enough to be able to sing what they are supposed to sing. Just like guitarists (or any other players) practice enough to be able to play. If they can't play their solos or rhythm sections, they don't practice enough or they chose to perform music that is beyond their current capabilities. Either way, even when it is a current industry standard, it is and will remain a fakery.
Thank you for your honest and common sense approach and comments. You have gained a new Subscriber. I hope it works out well for all parties concerned...and Thank you again...
I've subbed to Fil ever since he's had 13K subs. I don't like analysis videos and felt sheepish clicking on it. But Fil wasn't doing a reaction video, he was analyzing it from his guitar and singing background. And he's ver respectful. He's done several videos of "awful" videos, but he talks about how difficult it is to make music. And he is the best for eulogy videos, which I wish he would do again. I didn't like when he started with the pitch monitoring videos, but he was nursing a wrist injury and couldn't play. But I came to appreciate them. And I'm using itt now to try and sing since I took the plunge and started playing the piano 2 y ago, after my retirement. I was the kid in choir class that all the directors said to move my lips and not make a sound. I joked that i was born with two left ears. it's changing. And I've started singing. I think I've seen Ken, is he "The Vocals Coach"? I saw him several years ago...once, and never watched him again. While he's a very good singer, he's got a slightly worse personality than Donald Trump. I'll look at some of your videos for singing, since I need help. BTW Fil is also a producer and has a keen ear. He doesn't mind if a note is sharp or flat, that is singing. But he can hear the processing. Maybe you shouldn't seek perfection, and concentrate on being yourself. Screw the industry standard.
@@lawrencetaylor4101 thanks for watching and for your comments. I do agree with you. Fil’s great. I would love to have a channel as successful as his one day.
The complex waveforms of singing notes are like fingerprints. It's virtually scientifically impossible to perfecly recreate. Fil demonstrated how audio waveform sequences from Ken's 1990 recordings are used in his current live performances. Lip syncing.
I think you described it best stating that KT is coming from a place of ego. I think that his reactions have besmirched his reputation more than being honest about using a backing track. Well done video, I appreciate the respect you gave both sides.
Can you just give us an Ahhhhhhahrrrggghhhhahahhhhhghhhhrhrhrhhrhhhahhahhhhahhhhhhhhh,, yeah!! as a way of proving some irrelevant point.... pahhhhh leeeeeeeeeeeeassssssseeeeeeeeeeeaaaahhhhhh yeah hahahaha Fil rocks
Technology doesn't make you a better singer, it makes you something you're not. If you need to correct yourself, sing the part again until it's correct and paste it into the song you sang.
@@SuziQ. Yeah I get that it’s been noticed now, but the guy has been doing this for literal decades. The technology that allows you to inspect audio to the millisecond has also been around for years now too. Just surprised it’s taken this long
It would be one thing if Fil had disparaged Ken; but when people are outraged that someone _objectively_ and _non-judgmentally_ revealed the truth, that's an admission that those people recognize that the truth is _bad_ even while they direct their ire at the wrong target.
When you’re italicizing or bolding a word or phrase, leave a space before you add punctuation. That comma next to the underscore is why you didn’t get the italicized “bad”.
@@SuziQ. Thanks for pointing that out. I thought they had fixed that. Edit: Just noticed the punctuation in your tag. Does that make it an imperative verb?
@@wlan246 , The period after the “Q” is a mystery to me. I was editing the random numbers off, and trying to create a username that satisfied the gods of the app. I can delete my comments, now that you’ve fixed the italics.
Ken puts a big emphasis on being a religious man too. I'm not a religious man - that's Kens' claim. That and "The proof is in the singing." These are things he set up for himself.
Ken's ego seems to be the main problem here. He could have avoided all this scrutiny and criticism if he had just admitted that he'd used a prerecorded vocal on his video and provided a reason for it.
The thing is, with Ken Tamplin and Don Henley and the rest of it, is Fil just presented the facts. The actual raw data. And Fil carefully explained the raw data for those who hadn't seen such technical information before. He did it professionally, objectively and above all fairly. And the simple conclusion is that these people were using audio tracks. And people can delete and troll and shout and scream and cry foul 24/7. But it doesn't change the fact they were caught out. In fact I can't help but wonder now about the report Don Henley has a team of around 60 internet watchers who scour the likes of TH-cam looking for copyright infringements. Ok, sure they likely do that as it is Don's intellectual property but I can't help but ponder the REAL reason they were getting very amateur TH-camrs with like 14 followers and 30 views to take down the version of Desperado they filmed on an Android at a show they paid (probably a lot of) good money to see was because they were TERRIFIED someone was gonna out them they were duping their fans. Fil just happened to be the one to break the news. As old adage says: Don't shoot the messenger.
Ken will never admit that he mimes lead vocals for the simple fact that if he does,he Will be contradicting his ethics of being a real singer to his students,and that may cause a major risk of his students abandoning his tuition leaving him without a wealthy income!
Nice analysis. I just wanted to point out that there are two situations in which people say to someone who is feeling attacked “they are just jealous of you”. 1. Moms whose ugly daughters are getting hate at school. And 2. Drunk women outside of the side chicks house on body cam.
I think this issue has been blown way out of proportion and as a consequence, Ken's response didn't even address the original point from Wings of Pegasus. We know Ken is a great vocalist and vocal coach, and Fil was not accusing him of lipsyncing the entire performance or of using a backing track (everybody does). The issue is that Ken's backing track obviously also contains lead vocals and at parts of Ken's performance the lead vocals on that backing track can be heard over Ken's own singing, due to which it gives the impression that those particular parts are lipsynced. If only Ken could admit that, instead of becoming so defensive and attacking Fil - and maybe explain why he has lead vocals on the backing tracks that he uses when he clearly still has such a great voice - then I'm confident that everyone could leave this behind and move on to other things.
I've run across Ken's videos many times and all I ever thought was - he sounds like an obnoxious DJ puking over the airwaves. Cheesy as hell. I saw only that Fil analyzed a vocal coach and automatically knew...it's gotta be Ken. Fil is objective and fair. Always. Data speaks for itself.
Ken is a brilliant vocal coach who has a long history and pedigree of improving probably thousands of vocalists by now. No doubt he knows what he’s doing and the proof is in the testimonials from the many happy students (that was a pun. You’re welcome). Now that said, it is rather uncomfortable seeing someone of Ken’s stature cheapen all his good work by not being forthcoming and completely transparent about using pre-recorded vocals in videos that he’s claiming to be singing live. I know many people who play live shows and use original vocals in the mix, particularly the chorus sections to layer and create tuning stability where maybe in a live setting they can’t hold the integrity of the pitch. It’s not something I would do personally but I understand why people do it and it doesn’t bother me because most of the time they are singing over the top of the pre-recorded vocal creating a double track effect. I think my biggest disappointment about all of this is that the way Ken has responded and refuted it is beneath him. He made it about backing tracks which wasn’t what the dispute was about. I hope I have as good a voice at Ken’s age and there’s no shame in using techniques to mitigate aging and probably fatigue from teaching students every day etc. the way Ken is deleting comments to try to cover up is just cheap and as I said earlier, beneath him frankly.
@@MichaelOakleyOfficial I completely agree mate. He should have been honest. Now he looks like a charlatan because he’s trying to hide behind the lies. He should have come clean from the beginning.
Ken should have been honest and I am sure it would have been okay with most everyone. Yet he wasn’t and now his credibility has suffered. He is still doubling down on the lies. 🧐 What a shame.
@@themotownboy1absolutely! He’s been very forthcoming with his thoughts on others in the past so he should have been more careful before trying to pull the wool over everyone’s eyes. It’s the lies on top of the lies that I don’t like 😢. Thanks for watching 🙏🏼
Ken claims to be a Christian! Now, may I advise him to go through the 10 commandments again. Before he meets his maker. Otherwise I fear that he will be knocking at the wrong door, and more likely will be on a "highway to hell" 🤪
Fil wins! (for tongue placement alone! HA!) Seriously, Fil comes across as a very humble and professional individual that doesn't do anything on his channel in a mean-spirited or click-bait kind of way...
ken could analyse some of fil's performance if he so wants it but i doubt if there are faults found similar to ken's miming it would easily be debunked
Man ,vocal coaches are a dime a dozen now on you tube, but hardly any of those vocal coaches in my opinion have won a Grammy , or have any gold records on the wall with a track record of their performance... I once had a foot ball coach that had a Bum knee he was great at telling me what to do on the field, but he couldn't do it himself cause of the Bum Knee. what a joke. If I want to learn music & singing I will attend a music school at my local conservatory .
It is nothing to do with "versus". Fil has made a series of objective videos simply stating facts, without criticism or agenda, as the result of a request from a viewer, as all his analysis video's are. Mr Tamplin is either unable or unwilling to differentiate between Fil's content and other channel's such as Marc Ajax et al who have clearly set their stalls out as "versus". Not without some justification, it would seem. In my own humble opinion, anyone like Mr Tamplin who makes such wildly grandiose claims, compares themselves to the world's greatest of all timer's and explains why they are better, and is clearly an eye rolling, hair flicking narcissistic queen (and don't get me started on that tongue thing) should be avoided at all costs, whatever their field of endeavour . Just as an aside, could you not start with "I don't want to get involved" while you're making a video about the subject, apart from that all the best for the future.
So glad to see another video on this. It's hilarious. Ken needs to quit faking and passing it off as live as if modern technology doesn't expose that 😂
It’s really just Ken vs the truth. A little humility would have gone a long way, but Ken has clearly chosen his ego over his credibility. Or maybe he just doesn’t see that that’s what he’s doing.
Curious to know… when you were learning KTVA what was your thought on the pushing/ stretching chest philosophy to ‘build a huge powerful chest voice’. I’ve studied ktva for a couple of years and was never 100% convinced it was a good approach as you don’t hear it much elsewhere.
@@jakeah1175 to be honest, I’ve found that it depends on the person/student. Every voice is different and a lot of it also relates to what kind of style you want too. For the big rock stuff I think it works but of course you need to be careful not to overwork one muscle group.
Is Ken a fraud or a hypocrite? In my opinion, he’s a hypocrite. He can sing, he can play, and his vocal instructional method has apparently worked for several people. The fact that he has bashed bands and singers doing what he himself has done makes him a hypocrite, not a fraud.
Fraud: intended to deceive. Pretending to sing live when you're actually lip syncing and worse, miming the guitar is deceiving people thus fraudulent imo.
It isn't just the "live" gig where Ken mimed. Look at virtually every analysis video he does where he sings his version of the song.. Pretty much all those are mimed. Am I saying he can't sing? No. Ken clearly can sing. But virtually every song you see him perform - which make you believe they are "live" (headphones on singing into the mike). Those are mimed. I don't know why he does it.
Ken has created the ‘Streisand’ effect for himself. I didn’t even know he existed before this debacle. Personally I don’t give a monkeys if he lip-synced or not. He should have just shrugged his shoulders, it’s a storm in a teacup! These days it seems that people are soo easily offended! At his age he should have learned that people will talk, so what, get over it. At best maybe given an explanation as to why he may have lip-synced, instead of aggressively denying it. I watched his denial video and the phrase”He doth protest too much !” came to mind. If you put something out as a ‘live’ vocal and it wasn’t then you can expect your fans to question it. But it seems he opted to treat his fans as though they are idiots by lying to them. IMO. You got caught out Ken, but who really cares.
I think Ken should of just said hey when you get older you can't hit those highs the same as when your young. I wanted my live show to be great so I used tracks on the high notes. I don't see the big deal. Me personally I'd rather see someone just go at it live and tune down if you can't hit the note anymore. Halford is in his 70s singing live and he just doesn't hit the highs anymore and guess what? Nobody cares!
it is bizarre with the defenders of Ken some are pro musicians but they lack objectivity.Just because you were taught by or like someone does not mean every performance is 100%. Then the word Jealous used as a defence is just kindergarten stuff its like 'my dad is better than your dad' . My fave musicians have down shit gigs and performances and I have no issues admitting it and my world did not end
he clearly can sing and has the chops. records his own stuff and then edits the takes to be studio perfect, then mimes his performances to the studio takes he creates and tries to pass it off as a live off the floor take.
i have not seen anyone call him a bad singer.... just a liar and fraud... and for that reason I'm out.. we live in the age of options we don't (and shouldn't) have to settle for bad behavior just because "he's a good singer " we can just go somewhere else for the content. no fuss no fight just leave these type of people behind. that being said you got a subscribe from me you are kind and honest and that's the type of person i want to give my time too!
The problem here is not whether Ken (or anyone for that matter) can sing or sing well. The man was pretending that some off the cuff singing in his videos was just him grabbing a guitar and performing a song. In actual fact Fil proved that he wasn't singing and wasn't playing the guitar! Just because Ken played the guitar at some point (after how many takes?) and recorded it and now mimes to that and is using a lead vocal from 1990 at least and passing that off as a current performance, live or otherwise is fraud. Add to that he is charging people who believe he can perform that well each time. Not to mention there are videos of him reacting to other singers, where he points out and criticises them for cheating when he is using those EXACT same tactics himself. Hypocritical and arrogant
I been watching Ken Tamplin a lot longer than Fil but I enjoy both of their channels. Fil did a brilliant and respectful analysis, but he way Ken Tamplin attacked him and continues to lie and lie about what he does is disgusting. So much for his "Christianity".
Hi Rico. you seem like a great guy. I'm a musician. Not a singer. If i would buy a course from you and you started talking about ken tamplin i would ask my money back! NGL
@@6raj66 😂 Thank you. I don’t sell vocal courses and I don’t talk about Ken. Don’t worry. I only offer one to one lessons in person or on video call as I think that’s the best way to teach/learn. It has to be interactive for me. Thanks for watching 🙏🏼
Personally Ken gets on my nerves, he is so full of himself and thinks he's a better singer then for example Freddie Mercury, Paul Rodgers or David Coverdale. He criticizes them and then he shows you how it should be sung in his opinion without considering someone's naturel vibrato for instance etc. I do think that's one of the reasons a lot of people don't like him. The lip-syncing during that live show and in the studio is a fact, but I do think he can sing, although he might be knowledgeable, I don't like his singing, he's a one trick belter and that's fine but he lacks any vocal diversity or emotional interpretation in my opinion. The thing is, vocal coaches are mostly failed musicians/singers that weren't special or talented enough to get to the big stage. It does seem that he's somehow successful in the vocal coaching business and I do think the whole hateful reaction video's are unnecessary and disproportionate. But that's the risk of having a very personal connected online business, one mistake or a not politicly correct remark and they burn you at the social media stake! But Ken is pretty pretentious, see for yourself - th-cam.com/video/wCrF7MptRQ8/w-d-xo.html
When Ken croaked on stage and then blamed his mic and shook it acting as if it was a technical issue is disingenuous. It says a lot about his character. I like Ken but like you mentioned he needs to come clean and move on.
Theres footage of ken playing live from 1989 where hes completely lip syncing the show... this isnt new for him. PS JD Vance wrote Kens repsonse script. Deny deny deny.
There is no Ken vs Fil. It's a clear case of exposure of fraud. All Fil did was what he's been doing for years - analyzing vocals/performances using reliable data based on requests from viewers. No opinion, no disparagement, just the facts. Since KT is responding in an extremely defensive way shows that he is digging a deeper hole for himself.
@@DiMac43 I agree. If you watch the video, that’s exactly what I said. 🙏🏼
@RicoTheUnknown You're ok man !! I watched it, I'm a FIL fan, so inclined to explicit bias, but humbly I say, I'm a wee bit sharper than than to be fooled on a subject so obvious !! 🎸 🎸 🎸
Go bonnie SCOTLAND!!😊
Paisley man myself ... THISTLES ROCK !!!
@@CraigFox-lt6lt thanks mate. 🏴
@@CraigFox-lt6lt If you watch Fil you're probably pretty objective.
He can sing.. .. the claim is he lipsynched to his own self singing. Fraud would mean he couldn't sing and lipsynched to someone else's voice
Indeed Fil was very respectful and generous and professional. Would have liked to have seen Tamplin just be honest.
Fil thinks everything has been autotuned
Fil is very professional in his approach and delivery.
@@silverclive absolutely! 👍🏼
LOL....U Funny...
FIL is a man of honesty and integrity, & has shown exactly what Ken did.
Ken vs Fil?
Honesty Fil✔️
Likability Fil✔️
I vote Fil!😊
@@santacruz3600 certainly on this argument. For sure. Thanks for watching 🙏🏼
Fil FTW!
Manchester United! Football ⚽
Id trust what comes out of Fil's mouth more than what comes out of Ken's.
I'm with team Fil. Team Ken is a disgrace, they are a cult. This is common when dealing with a dangerous narcissist.
You omitted integrity.
I vote Fil.
It's not just he's denying it but he's denying it when the objective proof is so blatant. When you do it at that level it becomes gas lighting.
@@EyesOfTheInternet Absolutely! It’s really sad to see.
If KT would just admit it, he'd be fine, and good with his fans, ...maybe more popular??
But he still denies and deletes.
I admit to being a FIL fan, mainly because of his INTEGRITY ! 🌟
@CraigFox-lt6lt ken and fil they are both almost identical personalities. i understand the first guy to do a video was one of these kgb online influencer channels that have been infiltrating the USA just about ever since there was internet on computers . although that was only just my first impression . i could be wrong. 🙏
@@jesusislukeskywalker4294 wondered where the KGB we went! Where is Levrenti Beria when you need him ???
LOL 😆
@@jesusislukeskywalker4294,
Fil is the opposite of Ken, in every way.
I thought you did a fine job of giving your opinion without getting involved in the heated discussion. I've been watching Fil for years. His vocal analysis videos have nothing to do with any one person. It's about what the music industry has done to recording artist and the music we buy today. Vocals and harmonies have been auto tuned, pitch corrected and altered. Yes, I still have my library of original vinyl but that's not the point. Unless the music industry decides to release the original unaltered recordings, we have lost the ability to ever hear the original recordings. Recording artist i.e. Freddie Mercury, The Bee Gees, The Eagles etc. The record labels have gone in and altered all these old recordings and rereleased them. This is the story Fil is uncovering for us all to see. Thank you Fil
He’s amazing. It’s a great channel. Thanks for watching mine 🙏🏼
Fil is a great guy and just honest. Ken is a joke
There's no Ken vs Fil. It's Fil exposing Ken, and then Ken trying to lie his queen ass off about it.
I knew Ken was in a whole new level of difficulty when Fil whipped his guitar out 😂
@@stephensouthworth1489 😂😂
You got that right
Fil tells the truth, period.
Ken can no doubt sing and play, but the way he has handled this?
Very telling. And not in a good way.
@@PorcelainLeigh I completely agree. It’s a real shame. He should have come clean about it. 😞
I have to respectfully disagree-his singing ability is definitely questionable. As a working musician, I’ve heard many experienced vocalists raise serious concerns, especially those who perform regularly. When you’re singing week after week, even small technique issues can affect your ability to keep working and earning a living. I work as a musical director for theatre and stage shows (and other gigs), which means I spend a lot of time working with vocal instructors during rehearsals, helping singers refine their parts. Using Ken’s approach would be a real challenge in a live setting. We use in-ear monitors, everything is synced to a click track, but the singers still have to hit every note consistently. You have to be realistic about what a vocalist can do night after night, and make adjustments to the score when needed. In the early 2000s, I worked on Wicked, and it damaged many great singers due to overuse. That’s why big shows now rotate cast members and use alternate keys to prevent vocal strain and most importantly, hire their talent based off of reliability over flash.
I say this because Ken’s “stylistic examples” often just sound like a single unstable noise using his exaggerated “T-rex tongue” technique, which makes it hard to take his approach seriously. If you can’t use the same technique to sing an entire section of a song without strain, then good luck singing through a wedding gig for 3 hours. I get that vocal coaches sometimes use unusual exercises to explore different sounds, but Ken’s methods aren’t something a professional could sustain for a full set without risking vocal damage. The fact that he edits tracks together and mimes over them while claiming it’s live is also misleading. I've worked with great rock singers and it's all about pacing yourself, you can't go 100% all the time night after night.
The bigger issue is that Ken markets his course as a safe way to sing and claims he’s received offers from famous bands (like Motley Crue) to support his method. None of this has been proven, and it’s misleading for people who want to build a serious singing career but can’t afford expensive lessons or a music degree.
@@Scotmend I sang for a living for 22 years, 6 nights a week.
Whether you like his voice or not, is relative.
He sounds very nasal to me, but never the less can sing and play.
It's the way he's handled the situation.
Frankly, lame and now comes across like a poser.
@PorcelainLeigh
I understand that music is subjective, and you're right about personal taste regarding his voice. However, I wasn’t addressing the subjective elements; I was referring to his approach, which I find lacking.
I feel qualified to express this because I have years of experience practicing my craft as an MD, just as you have as a singer. Unfortunately, Ken simply hasn’t done that-he doesn’t perform often enough for these issues to be addressed. His one live date this year was exposed as involving some miming, which suggests that his approach isn’t effective.
I wouldn’t hold Ken to such a professional standard if he had always been honest, but as you mentioned, he’s not, which raises concerns when he advises others on safe singing. I understand what you are saying about Ken in his prime and that's valid. But nowadays you can hear foundational issues in his pre- done recordings which he mimes to, like pushing too hard, which leads to instability and pitch problems.
In my role as an MD, I hire based on objective skill and ability, as my decisions focus on reliability rather than personal taste. I’m not claiming to be the best either, but I’ve had the privilege of working with world-class MDs, which was humbling. I learned so much in just a few weeks, yet Ken never seems to discuss this aspect of mastery. Every masterclass I’ve attended by great instrumentalists or vocalists has included an acknowledgment that others can do things better.
I find Ken's dishonesty surprising, especially given the incredible older voices out there. There’s no shame in lowering tunes, whether in pitch or intensity. I often adjust parts for 20-year-olds because my priority is making the song sound good, night after night. This usually means getting the band to play quieter in certain sections to exaggerate the dynamics; it’s subtle, but it allows the vocals to shine.
Ultimately, a good singer is a joy to listen to, and it’s unfair to push them to sing something like "Let It Go" at full tilt 15 times a week. Look at Idina Menzel-she can barely sing now because she pushed too hard for too long.
I had never heard of Ken prior to Ken's response to Fil's video and I don't really care whether he can or can't sing. The fact that Ken would allow his followers to harass someone like Fil with the purest of integrity and intent rather than admit the truth to his followers tells you everything you need to know about Ken.
Spot on. Fil never said that Ken wasn't a good singer. Fil is too polite and too humble to say anything like that. His analysis was regarding that particular performance only.
Contrast the class of FIl with Ken's in your face, brazen combative reactions. All he needs to do is accept that he can't defy aging and come off his high horse. Instead he has been gaslighting. SMH.
Considering you are familiar with Fil, why the caption with "vs"?
Came across Fil more than an year ago to watch him analyze The Warning & interview them.
He has integrity. And that matters.
Kens lead guitar miming is even worse
Yeah He can play, but that was pathetic
Ken tries to confuse the issue. The smoking gun is really his 2020 live stream of Livin’ for my Lord, which Fil analyzed and then Ken responded by deleting it from his channel, which is in itself very telling). Using backing tracks and lip syncing are two different things. When bands use backing tracks (which is quite common as Ken correctly states) they are complementing their live sound (typically with backing vocals and/or keyboards). When singers lip sync, the pre recorded lead vocal is there and the singer is pretending to be hitting those notes. The criticism that Ken is facing is not about backing tracks, but lip syncing.
I left respectful comments in Ken’s videos telling him he can still rock and asking him not to double-down and own his lip syncing and he has deleted them. (I have screenshots).
His ego will be his undoing.
Ken SCAMplin
Unfortunately yes. Usually i feel sorry for someone who is butchered online but Ken makes it impossible to feel sorry for him. He's digging his own grave.
Ken has a long history of deleting even mildly critical comments to his videos. It's why every video comment section is nothing but a wall of glowing praise.
Fil is taking no sides he’s analyzing what was given to him and it showed the man was faking it🤷
@@orlandosoto6080 exactly 👍🏼. Thanks for watching 🙏🏼
One question. Where are Fil's students?
@@gpowellish1 What does that have to do with anything?
It's like trying to argue that water is dry when in a liquid state. It just makes him look objectively insane.
@gpowellish1 why does Fil need students in this conversation?? Because someone got caught lip singing, the person who exposed him need students so you believe him even with proof?
The fact is that Ken can actually sing, and sing well and (--check my channels, I'm not Ken!), Fil simply objectively highlighted Ken's isolated vocal tracks and found that Ken was miming IN CERTAIN PARTS of his live performances. Fil was totally respectful and objective, stating many times that he has no skin in the game, no dog in the fight, and that he has no animosity toward Ken, and that Ken can actually sing, and that Ken IS singing in the lower registers.
All Ken had to do was admit it, and explain why - because he obviously wants consistency in his live performances /he's getting on in years / he wants to save his voice into the future, etc...
This issue has spiraled out of control because of Ken's vehement and childish gaslighting retorts. Whenever someone behaves in this manner, we immediately give them the side-eye and wonder what they're hiding.
A few years ago, I heard Ken sing Maybe I'm Amazed. I told my friend, after seeing the video, that there is no way given what I heard that Ken could replicate that night after night, and his performances were just one off stuff to sell his course. His voice sounded too restricted and pushed at times. Little did I know he was miming a lot of his stuff. He has a great lower to mid tone, but that is it for my ears.
Team Fil here!
Chrisrian vs sincerely nice guy? Ill believe Fil EVERY GOD DAMN DAY.
When someone claims status of Christian it usually means something not good. It means you are dealing with somebody swimming in certainty with a method to immediately discard responsibility for his misdeeds/sins. Somebody not to trust.
Christian bashing again. Judgemental to assume all Christians are dishonest. Any human can be dishonest, regardless of their beliefs or non beliefs. Fils video was requested and he did prove Ken was lip synching. Not good for sure.Judging all Christian people wasn’t the point of Fils video. Many Christians are sincerely nice honest people. Very narrow view you have. Wonder if Ken was another faith would you have used the language you have all in caps at end of your comment. As a Christian, I am against Kens dishonesty. It’s sad today that being dishonest has become so prevalent in the human race. Also sorry Kens dishonesty has put a stigma on Christians, as I have read far to many comments unfairly bashing all Christians, which is just as unjust as Ken’s dishonesty.
@@Chez8922-kf6cy Please don't paint with a broad brush. I've know honest Christians and dishonest Christians. I've known honest atheists and dishonest atheists. At the end of the day, we're all human with human failings. The only thing each of us needs to concern ourselves with is what will happen to us when we are ultimately judged by God. Will he say, "Well done, my good and faithful servant," or will he say, "Depart from me, you sinner, for I never knew you"?
I think the music industry needs a reckoning because the fakery and tuning has gotten out of hand and modern audiences don't seem to understand how rampant it is.
The proof is in the syncing
@@MSTmike3KVHS 😂
or... the proof is in his lying
fil's last video shows ken the wizard finding a note on his guitar its not capable of, lol
@@bamboozooka-yk7qn I saw that. Yikes 😬
That was surreal. He was so lazy he didn't even use a guitar he faked playing that had 24 frets.
Yeah, a 24 fret neck note versus KT’s 21 fret neck, yet Fil couldn’t get that note on his 22 fret neck. 😂
Yes but he mimed the solo so unreal perfectly that it was 100% his own 1 take recording he played to. It was just playback, nothing wrong with that as it was sort of obviois with the facial expression but he should have mentionned it.
Moreover, the fretboard wasn't visible during that note because, coincidentally, he shifted the guitar right at that moment. Clearly he knows how to play all the parts of the solo, so I imagine he just didn't realize that he wasn't going to be able to "play" that note on that guitar until the moment before, and did the only thing he could do to protect the illusion.
Why do you consider this to be a "versus"? Fil simply gave a thorough and exquisite analysis with a rock solid conclusion that eventually got confirmed by Ken Tamplin himself. It's not a debate. It's not a discussion. The only thing that can be considered a 'discussion' is how Ken Tamplin is handling this entire situation (and in my opinion that's really, REALLY poor).
If you watch the video, that’s exactly what I said. The reason I used the VS wording, is because Ken and his fans are denying any wrongdoing and calling Fil a liar.
@@RicoTheUnknown Thing is: Tamplin acknowledged the use of backing tracks in one of his videos as well as a written response. One of the later video's Fil did on this (also his last one, one might add) mentioned/showed this.
@RicoTheUnknown You say you don’t want to get involved but you want to share your opinion. Well that is getting involved.
@@quincyhartgers2903Lots of people use backing tracks, but when you include the lead vocals, that’s not a backing track.
@@M0odyBlue Yeah I meant including the lead vocals, forgot to mention that.
Ken Wanklin Lip Synching Academy... the proof is in the pudding 😮
@@radiumrickshaw9920 😂
The proof is in the syncing!
I find it hilarious that all the Ken videos that I can see coming up now are titled Ken Tamplin Lipsync Academy.
The only chance that Ken didn't mime in those videos is if Fil tampered with the audio, which Ken didn't even try to claim
Fil wouldn’t. Don Henley didn’t accuse him of doing that when people sent Fil their recordings of Desperado from different concerts. Don wisely said nothing, and has now recorded (or dug up) new/different tracks to lip sync to.
KT is clearly pissed. Too many years of lies.
@@jayroxx_ yeah, it’s really disingenuous. Thanks for watching 🙏🏼
ive been watching this drama with popcorn🤣
Hahaha. It’s crazy! 🙌🏼
Same M8
@@radiumrickshaw9920 😂
Exactly. The guy is nuts.
In years to come when Hollywood makes a movie of this saga who do we think will play the lead characters????
Fil just hits different in the best way possible
Ken Denying it is the kicker
When someone accuses someone else of jealousy you know you’re listening to a narcissist.
Here's the thing for me. People are, by nature, fairly forgiving especially when it doesn't directly affect them. People make bad choices and no one expects Ken's voice to sound now like it did in 1990. Had he just owned this, sincerely apologized and moved forward, i don't think this would have been more than a speed bump. But Ken's doubling down, removing comments, and deleting questionable videos just makes him look petty and arrogant. That he cloaks all of this in his faith makes it even worse. Come on Ken. Just own it. We already know the truth so your pretending we don't is just a bad strategy.
@@drewb007 you’re right. The disappointment is mostly in the denial.
I think everyone realises Ken's cult-like defense doesn't hold any water. Pretty open and shut case.
@@Charlie.c19 agreed 👍🏼
He’s totally maga Q material
Fil has no ax to grind. As we say: “facts don’t care about your feelings!”
Tamplin's vocals are grating. Why would anyone want to sound like him? He sounds like a dollar store version of Sammy Hagar.
That tongue thing as well. Yuck. I don’t like hair band Sammy Hagar vocals at all. Chris Cornell is the standard not that awful hollering.
I used his course. It was pretty good. Still do some of the exercises he demonstrated.
In the course I never saw any arrogance from his side. On TH-cam and livestreams it does shine through that he is sort of full of himself.
The way he approached this whole debacle was the most terrible thing though. That's where the real controversy began. His way of attempting to rationalize himself out of trouble has backfired. It sounded like a 15 year old that was caught by the parents. He should have said that "yes we did use some backing tracks and some of the lead vocals was on it". The story would not have caught fire if he had been honest and objective.
He's a total arse, always has been.
Too much focus on non-issues... a lying fraud was pointed out, better he comes clean than continue his charade!
I'm totally impresed with Fil. Ken, not so much.
Fil’s analyses were spot on, on this guy. Even his fake guitar playing.
Nice presentation. Ken should just be honest about it. He can still be a great vocal coach even if he is past his prime and is open about it. I have an in-law whose voice deteriorated after singing opera for years, but she can still teach technique. Think about the older gymnasts, skaters, skiers and dancers who can no longer do a triple axel, or dance en pointe, etc., but can teach others so very well - at the Olympic level! At this stage in Tamplin’s career, it’s his lack of integrity that will bring him down, not his loss of range or other natural decreases in singing ability. Just my 2¢.
@@onecooljewel6781 very good points. I completely agree. Thanks so much for watching 🙏🏼
I'm neither a singer nor a musician, but I spent a long time in the music industry as a retail manager and other things, so I have seen firsthand the public's attitude towards this sort of thing. I think Fil has alluded to this, Rico you just touched on it as well, and I agreed with it 100% - my opinion is - at the end of the day singers are entertainers and in the job of entertaining people they may use the tools at hand to do various things, like any other profession, but they MUST be honest about what tools they are using and when. The public is generally not concerned too much when you're dealing with One Direction, who are almost 100% entertainment, as opposed to the other end of the spectrum of pure musicians and singers. The more you get to the Bob Dylan end of the music world, the more upset people might be to discover he's used Auto-tune or backing tracks. Also, when I was a retail music store manager in the 90s, theft was a huge problem, and I dealt with a LOT of unscrupulous liars and learned their ways of talking and behaving when caught. You know where I'm going with this but I'm not going to say it for legal reasons. 🙂
It just dawned on me, would Auto-Tune even work on Bob Dylan? 😛
@@normdykstra9116haha yeah I was about to add that if Dylan's been auto tuned he really needs to change the software
ALL of you are a decade late. Myself, Robert Lunte, Brett Manning, Tony O'Hora and James Lugo have known he's been lip syncing for over 10 years. We never publicly called him out on it for fear of backlash in looking petty and jealous. If you watch our videos from 6-8 years ago, you'll see veiled references to Ken and his fakery.
Wow! That's really interesting. It's a shame to see that. I'm sure he had a great voice at one point but maybe it's gone and he can't sustain a full gig any more. Who knows? I'll keep putting my singing videos on here anyway, in hope that I can get as big a following as him one day 😂. Thanks for watching 🙏🏼
Also, after sending that reply, I've just realised that it's you Kevin. You have a great voice. I've seen some of your videos in the past. Fantastic mate 🙌🏼
How about the self-proclaimed guitar guru that he’s technique is so awkward it’s a cringefest to watch him play honestly., what about the time he dissed Freddie Mercury on his live performance, the time he did to Bach as well and many others., or the tongue? What the hell is with that so-called advanced resonating vocal technique that only HE seems to do it in the whole history of great singers. Yes he can sing but the ego behind the persona is just bad real bad.
@@charvlim5159 He’s definitely slagged off a lot of people over the years and it’s come back to bite him. Thanks for your comment 🙏🏼
He is cringe personified
it is as some people say a cult like following if you adopt kens cult take on Jealously being the reason for calling out Ken then Ken is jealous of Freddie Mercury and Bach but his fans would say nooo that's different but it exactly the same thing
Dude’s ridin’ coattails. Lol
no wonder ken's fighting this. he's left himself open to legal action going back years. his latest denial is a clown show.
Never heard of Ken Tamplin until Fil’s video.
If this guy can sing and play at such a high level, why did he feel the need to lip sync parts of his songs/performances and mime his own guitar playing and go to the added fakery of having headphones on, in his latest reply video?
I can understand adding compression and reverb during production, but not auto-tuning a bad note here and there. My best example, The Beatles. They would bang out a song in one or two takes, then proceed to do the next song 50 times before they were happy with it. The notes weren't all perfect, but the songs were perfect, and still are to this day. Technology can't capture spirit and emotion.
I agree, but most people don’t have time for 50 takes, and if there’s something to help shorten the time in the studio, people will use it. I’m not saying I agree but we live in a modern technological world.
Well said, the Beatles embraced experimentation and studio practice. They would use the 50 takes to refine melodies and arrangements.
I suppose this whole debate can be summed up by: when you hear a bad take, do you work on why it sucked or try to polish it? (Spoiler: you can’t polish a turd.)
@@Scotmend Singers should practice enough to be able to sing what they are supposed to sing. Just like guitarists (or any other players) practice enough to be able to play. If they can't play their solos or rhythm sections, they don't practice enough or they chose to perform music that is beyond their current capabilities. Either way, even when it is a current industry standard, it is and will remain a fakery.
@@julianne_warren Okay. We are in complete agreement.
Thank you for your honest and common sense approach and comments. You have gained a new Subscriber. I hope it works out well for all parties concerned...and Thank you again...
@@paulmackenzie1850 thank you so much Paul. Much appreciated. 🙏🏼
I've subbed to Fil ever since he's had 13K subs. I don't like analysis videos and felt sheepish clicking on it. But Fil wasn't doing a reaction video, he was analyzing it from his guitar and singing background. And he's ver respectful. He's done several videos of "awful" videos, but he talks about how difficult it is to make music. And he is the best for eulogy videos, which I wish he would do again. I didn't like when he started with the pitch monitoring videos, but he was nursing a wrist injury and couldn't play. But I came to appreciate them. And I'm using itt now to try and sing since I took the plunge and started playing the piano 2 y ago, after my retirement. I was the kid in choir class that all the directors said to move my lips and not make a sound. I joked that i was born with two left ears. it's changing. And I've started singing.
I think I've seen Ken, is he "The Vocals Coach"? I saw him several years ago...once, and never watched him again. While he's a very good singer, he's got a slightly worse personality than Donald Trump.
I'll look at some of your videos for singing, since I need help.
BTW Fil is also a producer and has a keen ear. He doesn't mind if a note is sharp or flat, that is singing. But he can hear the processing. Maybe you shouldn't seek perfection, and concentrate on being yourself. Screw the industry standard.
@@lawrencetaylor4101 thanks for watching and for your comments. I do agree with you. Fil’s great. I would love to have a channel as successful as his one day.
When a man slags a FREDDIE MERCURY'S vocal but then says I can do better you instantly know hes a total SEE YOU N T.
😂 Freddie is the greatest ever.
The complex waveforms of singing notes are like fingerprints. It's virtually scientifically impossible to perfecly recreate. Fil demonstrated how audio waveform sequences from Ken's 1990 recordings are used in his current live performances. Lip syncing.
I think you described it best stating that KT is coming from a place of ego. I think that his reactions have besmirched his reputation more than being honest about using a backing track. Well done video, I appreciate the respect you gave both sides.
Thank you so much 🙏🏼
Can you just give us an Ahhhhhhahrrrggghhhhahahhhhhghhhhrhrhrhhrhhhahhahhhhahhhhhhhhh,, yeah!! as a way of proving some irrelevant point....
pahhhhh leeeeeeeeeeeeassssssseeeeeeeeeeeaaaahhhhhh yeah hahahaha Fil rocks
I appreciate your honesty and perspective on this topic. Well done.
Thank you 🙏🏼
Technology doesn't make you a better singer, it makes you something you're not. If you need to correct yourself, sing the part again until it's correct and paste it into the song you sang.
Bro. He’s been doing it since 1989.
Peace.
What I don't understand is two things. 1. How did Ken ever think he'd get away with this? 2. How has it taken this long for someone to notice?
People have noticed. I saw a bunch of comments about that. One of them contacted Fil.
@@SuziQ. Yeah I get that it’s been noticed now, but the guy has been doing this for literal decades. The technology that allows you to inspect audio to the millisecond has also been around for years now too. Just surprised it’s taken this long
It would be one thing if Fil had disparaged Ken; but when people are outraged that someone _objectively_ and _non-judgmentally_ revealed the truth, that's an admission that those people recognize that the truth is _bad_ even while they direct their ire at the wrong target.
When you’re italicizing or bolding a word or phrase, leave a space before you add punctuation. That comma next to the underscore is why you didn’t get the italicized “bad”.
@@SuziQ. Thanks for pointing that out. I thought they had fixed that. Edit: Just noticed the punctuation in your tag. Does that make it an imperative verb?
@@wlan246 ,
The period after the “Q” is a mystery to me. I was editing the random numbers off, and trying to create a username that satisfied the gods of the app.
I can delete my comments, now that you’ve fixed the italics.
@@SuziQ. No need.
I appreciate your perspective. Thank you, Mr. Franchi!
Ken puts a big emphasis on being a religious man too.
I'm not a religious man - that's Kens' claim.
That and "The proof is in the singing."
These are things he set up for himself.
Isn't using pitch correction to any degree admitting that you can't really sing?
Ken's ego seems to be the main problem here. He could have avoided all this scrutiny and criticism if he had just admitted that he'd used a prerecorded vocal on his video and provided a reason for it.
The thing is, with Ken Tamplin and Don Henley and the rest of it, is Fil just presented the facts. The actual raw data. And Fil carefully explained the raw data for those who hadn't seen such technical information before. He did it professionally, objectively and above all fairly. And the simple conclusion is that these people were using audio tracks. And people can delete and troll and shout and scream and cry foul 24/7. But it doesn't change the fact they were caught out.
In fact I can't help but wonder now about the report Don Henley has a team of around 60 internet watchers who scour the likes of TH-cam looking for copyright infringements. Ok, sure they likely do that as it is Don's intellectual property but I can't help but ponder the REAL reason they were getting very amateur TH-camrs with like 14 followers and 30 views to take down the version of Desperado they filmed on an Android at a show they paid (probably a lot of) good money to see was because they were TERRIFIED someone was gonna out them they were duping their fans. Fil just happened to be the one to break the news. As old adage says: Don't shoot the messenger.
Excellent! Thanks for sharing your thoughts!! I agree with you completely.
Ken will never admit that he mimes lead vocals for the simple fact that if he does,he Will be contradicting his ethics of being a real singer to his students,and that may cause a major risk of his students abandoning his tuition leaving him without a wealthy income!
Playing / Singing LIVE, separates the Men from the Fakes
Nice analysis. I just wanted to point out that there are two situations in which people say to someone who is feeling attacked “they are just jealous of you”. 1. Moms whose ugly daughters are getting hate at school. And 2. Drunk women outside of the side chicks house on body cam.
I think this issue has been blown way out of proportion and as a consequence, Ken's response didn't even address the original point from Wings of Pegasus.
We know Ken is a great vocalist and vocal coach, and Fil was not accusing him of lipsyncing the entire performance or of using a backing track (everybody does).
The issue is that Ken's backing track obviously also contains lead vocals and at parts of Ken's performance the lead vocals on that backing track can be heard over Ken's own singing, due to which it gives the impression that those particular parts are lipsynced.
If only Ken could admit that, instead of becoming so defensive and attacking Fil - and maybe explain why he has lead vocals on the backing tracks that he uses when he clearly still has such a great voice - then I'm confident that everyone could leave this behind and move on to other things.
A good and fair analysis of the situation
Thank you 🙏🏼
I've run across Ken's videos many times and all I ever thought was - he sounds like an obnoxious DJ puking over the airwaves. Cheesy as hell.
I saw only that Fil analyzed a vocal coach and automatically knew...it's gotta be Ken.
Fil is objective and fair. Always. Data speaks for itself.
Ken is a brilliant vocal coach who has a long history and pedigree of improving probably thousands of vocalists by now. No doubt he knows what he’s doing and the proof is in the testimonials from the many happy students (that was a pun. You’re welcome).
Now that said, it is rather uncomfortable seeing someone of Ken’s stature cheapen all his good work by not being forthcoming and completely transparent about using pre-recorded vocals in videos that he’s claiming to be singing live. I know many people who play live shows and use original vocals in the mix, particularly the chorus sections to layer and create tuning stability where maybe in a live setting they can’t hold the integrity of the pitch. It’s not something I would do personally but I understand why people do it and it doesn’t bother me because most of the time they are singing over the top of the pre-recorded vocal creating a double track effect.
I think my biggest disappointment about all of this is that the way Ken has responded and refuted it is beneath him. He made it about backing tracks which wasn’t what the dispute was about. I hope I have as good a voice at Ken’s age and there’s no shame in using techniques to mitigate aging and probably fatigue from teaching students every day etc. the way Ken is deleting comments to try to cover up is just cheap and as I said earlier, beneath him frankly.
@@MichaelOakleyOfficial I completely agree mate. He should have been honest. Now he looks like a charlatan because he’s trying to hide behind the lies. He should have come clean from the beginning.
Ken should have been honest and I am sure it would have been okay with most everyone. Yet he wasn’t and now his credibility has suffered. He is still doubling down on the lies. 🧐 What a shame.
@@themotownboy1absolutely! He’s been very forthcoming with his thoughts on others in the past so he should have been more careful before trying to pull the wool over everyone’s eyes. It’s the lies on top of the lies that I don’t like 😢. Thanks for watching 🙏🏼
Right then, he's a bloody scammer. Thank you.
Ken claims to be a Christian! Now, may I advise him to go through the 10 commandments again. Before he meets his maker. Otherwise I fear that he will be knocking at the wrong door, and more likely will be on a "highway to hell" 🤪
Fil wins! (for tongue placement alone! HA!) Seriously, Fil comes across as a very humble and professional individual that doesn't do anything on his channel in a mean-spirited or click-bait kind of way...
ken could analyse some of fil's performance if he so wants it but i doubt if there are faults found similar to ken's miming it would easily be debunked
Man ,vocal coaches are a dime a dozen now on you tube, but hardly any of those vocal coaches in my opinion have won a Grammy , or have any gold records on the wall with a track record of their performance... I once had a foot ball coach that had a Bum knee he was great at telling me what to do on the field, but he couldn't do it himself cause of the Bum Knee. what a joke. If I want to learn music & singing I will attend a music school at my local conservatory .
to get a grammy u gotta visit p diddy
I’ll keep it short..
@@GS-uk3ml 😂
It is nothing to do with "versus". Fil has made a series of objective videos simply stating facts, without criticism or agenda, as the result of a request from a viewer, as all his analysis video's are. Mr Tamplin is either unable or unwilling to differentiate between Fil's content and other channel's such as Marc Ajax et al who have clearly set their stalls out as "versus". Not without some justification, it would seem. In my own humble opinion, anyone like Mr Tamplin who makes such wildly grandiose claims, compares themselves to the world's greatest of all timer's and explains why they are better, and is clearly an eye rolling, hair flicking narcissistic queen (and don't get me started on that tongue thing) should be avoided at all costs, whatever their field of endeavour . Just as an aside, could you not start with "I don't want to get involved" while you're making a video about the subject, apart from that all the best for the future.
@@andrewturner5710 true. I don’t really want to get involved but I felt I was fair without slagging anyone off, which is what I was attempting to do.
So glad to see another video on this. It's hilarious. Ken needs to quit faking and passing it off as live as if modern technology doesn't expose that 😂
It’s really just Ken vs the truth. A little humility would have gone a long way, but Ken has clearly chosen his ego over his credibility. Or maybe he just doesn’t see that that’s what he’s doing.
I LOVED your Rattle and Hum Album
😂 Thanks
Curious to know… when you were learning KTVA what was your thought on the pushing/ stretching chest philosophy to ‘build a huge powerful chest voice’. I’ve studied ktva for a couple of years and was never 100% convinced it was a good approach as you don’t hear it much elsewhere.
@@jakeah1175 to be honest, I’ve found that it depends on the person/student. Every voice is different and a lot of it also relates to what kind of style you want too. For the big rock stuff I think it works but of course you need to be careful not to overwork one muscle group.
@@RicoTheUnknown great answer, much appreciated - love your covers btw - they sound great
@@jakeah1175 thank you so much 🙏🏼
Is Ken a fraud or a hypocrite? In my opinion, he’s a hypocrite. He can sing, he can play, and his vocal instructional method has apparently worked for several people. The fact that he has bashed bands and singers doing what he himself has done makes him a hypocrite, not a fraud.
Fraud: intended to deceive. Pretending to sing live when you're actually lip syncing and worse, miming the guitar is deceiving people thus fraudulent imo.
He’s both.
Look up the definition of fraud. Ken is a fraud.
Yes, Ken could have come up with a more believable lie, but it would still be a lie.
It isn't just the "live" gig where Ken mimed. Look at virtually every analysis video he does where he sings his version of the song.. Pretty much all those are mimed. Am I saying he can't sing? No. Ken clearly can sing. But virtually every song you see him perform - which make you believe they are "live" (headphones on singing into the mike). Those are mimed. I don't know why he does it.
Ken has created the ‘Streisand’ effect for himself. I didn’t even know he existed before this debacle. Personally I don’t give a monkeys if he lip-synced or not. He should have just shrugged his shoulders, it’s a storm in a teacup! These days it seems that people are soo easily offended! At his age he should have learned that people will talk, so what, get over it. At best maybe given an explanation as to why he may have lip-synced, instead of aggressively denying it. I watched his denial video and the phrase”He doth protest too much !” came to mind.
If you put something out as a ‘live’ vocal and it wasn’t then you can expect your fans to question it. But it seems he opted to treat his fans as though they are idiots by lying to them. IMO. You got caught out Ken, but who really cares.
Thank you for your input on this. I agree with everything you’ve shared. I agree that Ken is not humble. Continued success to you.
I think Ken should of just said hey when you get older you can't hit those highs the same as when your young. I wanted my live show to be great so I used tracks on the high notes. I don't see the big deal. Me personally I'd rather see someone just go at it live and tune down if you can't hit the note anymore. Halford is in his 70s singing live and he just doesn't hit the highs anymore and guess what? Nobody cares!
it is bizarre with the defenders of Ken some are pro musicians but they lack objectivity.Just because you were taught by or like someone does not mean every performance is 100%. Then the word Jealous used as a defence is just kindergarten stuff its like 'my dad is better than your dad' . My fave musicians have down shit gigs and performances and I have no issues admitting it and my world did not end
he clearly can sing and has the chops. records his own stuff and then edits the takes to be studio perfect, then mimes his performances to the studio takes he creates and tries to pass it off as a live off the floor take.
i have not seen anyone call him a bad singer.... just a liar and fraud... and for that reason I'm out.. we live in the age of options we don't (and shouldn't) have to settle for bad behavior just because "he's a good singer " we can just go somewhere else for the content. no fuss no fight just leave these type of people behind. that being said you got a subscribe from me you are kind and honest and that's the type of person i want to give my time too!
The problem here is not whether Ken (or anyone for that matter) can sing or sing well. The man was pretending that some off the cuff singing in his videos was just him grabbing a guitar and performing a song. In actual fact Fil proved that he wasn't singing and wasn't playing the guitar! Just because Ken played the guitar at some point (after how many takes?) and recorded it and now mimes to that and is using a lead vocal from 1990 at least and passing that off as a current performance, live or otherwise is fraud. Add to that he is charging people who believe he can perform that well each time. Not to mention there are videos of him reacting to other singers, where he points out and criticises them for cheating when he is using those EXACT same tactics himself. Hypocritical and arrogant
Justin Timberlake said right on point! 😊too bad I don’t hear this beautiful accent on his songs haha
God bless you!
Good explanation
@@connorburtontraining1297 thank you for watching 🙏🏼
You're making excuses for someone whos been doing it all along. It's all questionable.
I been watching Ken Tamplin a lot longer than Fil but I enjoy both of their channels. Fil did a brilliant and respectful analysis, but he way Ken Tamplin attacked him and continues to lie and lie about what he does is disgusting. So much for his "Christianity".
Christians are humans like any others. But we expect they should be honest and so on.....
Hi Rico. you seem like a great guy. I'm a musician. Not a singer. If i would buy a course from you and you started talking about ken tamplin i would ask my money back! NGL
@@6raj66 😂 Thank you. I don’t sell vocal courses and I don’t talk about Ken. Don’t worry. I only offer one to one lessons in person or on video call as I think that’s the best way to teach/learn. It has to be interactive for me. Thanks for watching 🙏🏼
It's all about seeking the truth
Sure, it's ok to fake ,or mime a wee bit, but one should just ADMIT IT, like you clearly aaid. 😊
Ken is to Fil be like the bad guy at end of scooby doo episodes, And I'd of gotten away with it too of it wasn't for you meddling kids.
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Personally Ken gets on my nerves, he is so full of himself and thinks he's a better singer then for example Freddie Mercury, Paul Rodgers or David Coverdale. He criticizes them and then he shows you how it should be sung in his opinion without considering someone's naturel vibrato for instance etc. I do think that's one of the reasons a lot of people don't like him. The lip-syncing during that live show and in the studio is a fact, but I do think he can sing, although he might be knowledgeable, I don't like his singing, he's a one trick belter and that's fine but he lacks any vocal diversity or emotional interpretation in my opinion. The thing is, vocal coaches are mostly failed musicians/singers that weren't special or talented enough to get to the big stage. It does seem that he's somehow successful in the vocal coaching business and I do think the whole hateful reaction video's are unnecessary and disproportionate. But that's the risk of having a very personal connected online business, one mistake or a not politicly correct remark and they burn you at the social media stake! But Ken is pretty pretentious, see for yourself - th-cam.com/video/wCrF7MptRQ8/w-d-xo.html
When Ken croaked on stage and then blamed his mic and shook it acting as if it was a technical issue is disingenuous. It says a lot about his character. I like Ken but like you mentioned he needs to come clean and move on.
Theres footage of ken playing live from 1989 where hes completely lip syncing the show... this isnt new for him. PS JD Vance wrote Kens repsonse script. Deny deny deny.
@@Jaggerbush wow! I’ll check that out. 😬
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