PART TWO of my discussions about drama & commentary channels. Share your thoughts!! TIME STAMPS BELOW: 0:00 - intro 1:23 - the pattern of drama coverage on youtube, using the Nikocado Avocado & Stephanie Soo situation as an example 1:42 - step 1) tea is spilled 2:20 - step 2) audience reactions & response videos 4:22 - step 3) tea channels reupload clips and receipts 4:54 - step 4) Person #2 responds 5:52 - step 5) more reactions, response videos, and drama recaps 8:22 - step 6) involved people continue to make response videos 8:38 - step 7) most viewers lose interest, but videos will still be made as long as some people will still watch 9:12 - we must re-examine if & how we interact with youtube drama 9:46 - sometimes dramatic situations contain important takeaways 10:49 - we can make larger points about the drama that happens online, rather than focusing on trivial details 12:18 - tbt to when I made the mistake of jumping on the bandwagon of "covering" the James Charles & Tati situation 13:13 - drama & commentary channels have a responsibility to admit when we are wrong 13:31 - are drama and commentary channels "journalists" ? 14:32 - the five core principles of journalism, and how they relate to youtubers 17:29 - are drama and commentary channels "bullying" ? 18:11 - remember when Jake Paul called Cody Ko a bully? 19:58 - my personal conflict in making videos about other youtubers 20:58 - just watch ContraPoints' video on Canceling, ok ??
you should watch a recap of nikocados response and stephanie’s full second response because (i love steph) and also the amount of evidence she has and the way she clearly responded is so satisfying.
I'm sure internet drama and "tea" is definitely toxic and awful but oh man, it's some prime entertainment watching rich influencers publicly eat each other alive in front of an audience. modern day gladiator shows
Christie Veneti these people aren’t rich they’re broke af people TRYING to be rich, hence why they gossip and back stab in order to gain more internet market share. Real wealth people don’t have to do such petty things.
The fact that you as a creator admitted you were wrong and too quick to come out with a video speaks volummeesss about your integrity on this platform. Thank you for being real and honest, as always :)
Criminology & psychology major here! There's a bias called "anchoring" where we rely on information we see/hear first to inform how we interpret other information or make decisions. There's a bunch of research about how this bias impacts us, but when it comes to these drama videos or channels I think that the emotion behind them and the details and "receipts" construct (or seem to construct) such a compelling narrative that the one we see first is (1) very convincing, and (2) what we will use to interpret related information and developments.
Thank GOD!! educated people understanding stuff makes me so happy, proves that education aint a waste of money even if its for understanding youtube😂😊😊😊because i guess thats life now, youtube😆
Psych PhD here, and yes to all of this! Just to expand on this slightly, there’s a boatload of studies showing that’s it’s very hard to change people’s opinions once they’re convinced something is true. If someone already believes story A, if they hear evidence to support story B, this creates dissonance-and to resolve this, they will likely (a) discount that evidence as untrue, (b) spin the evidence so that it somehow supports story A, or (c) accept it’s true but determine that it doesn’t matter. People are more likely to do (d) change their mind and believe story B (or some mix of both stories) if they aren’t strongly anchored to the first story-but even if they do change their mind, effects of story A continue to linger (even if story A was never true!). Worst of all, (and this pertains perhaps more to fake news but still seems relevant here), even if people think something’s not true, if they repeatedly see headlines about it over and over again, they’ll start to think it must be true.
I’m a former journalist. As a first year reporter I broke a story about the chief of police and why he was fired. It was a big deal for me to make sure all my facts were correct. I don’t consider tea/drama/commentary videos as journalism. Keem Star is NOT a journalist, no matter what he says. Edit: I’ve been seeing this a lot where people say “unbiased opinion” or something and that’s inherently contradictory. An opinion can not be unbiased because it’s an opinion!!!!
audrey thank you!💀 I’ve seen some people try to sit there and act like drama channels were on par with actual journalists. And are somehow gatekeepers of the community.
I am in school for journalism and I agree with you 100%. My professors are always stressing that a true journalist does not share opinions, only facts.
Omg, yes. I have had this discussion with so many ppl and it bothers me so much. You can TRY to do an unbiased analysis or listing the facts (even though even that can be biased unconsciously) but can't have an OPINION and still being unaffected.
Re: the question of likable bullies, I think of The Office (US version). In the episode Classy Christmas (season 7, ep. 11/12), Dwight, a pretty unstable and socially clueless character, takes epic revenge on Jim, the likeable audience-insert character, for all of Jim's previous pranking. Now, Jim's pranks are hilarious (for the audience), but they always truly upset Dwight. When we laugh at Jim's pranks, we laugh at Dwight's discomfort. So Jim's pranking is bullying, especially because Jim is popular and Dwight is not. Isn't that the classic set-up? Popular kid makes fun of loser? In Episode 1 of the series, when Dwight complains that Jim has put his stapler in jello "again", why do we not see right away that Jim is being a bully? Because Jim is charming. But if Jim were also kind, he'd see that Dwight wasn't having fun with the pranks, and he would stop. Yet, when I talk to people about their reactions to the Classy Christmas episode, they don't see Dwight's behavior as justified, or even as the inevitable snap of an unbalanced person after years of persecution. They see Jim as a victim of Dwight's terrible social skills: Dwight is at fault both for not knowing "how to take a joke" when he's the victim and for "taking a prank too far" when he's the perpetrator. What's especially interesting about this dynamic is the possibility that many bullies may not know that they're bullies, because they don't mean harm, or don't get negative feedback from anyone except the "loser" who "just can't take a joke". Popular TH-camrs chasing views and ad revenue might not feel very powerful, but their videos making fun of others still get millions of views, and that is power. Bullying when you don't mean to bully could happen.
This is such an insightful comment, and something I think should get more responses here! This dynamic makes it more clear to me why I don't really enjoy or understand the humor of The Office
@@nomusicnecessary For me, insights like this explain why I sometimes felt uncomfortable at the 'humor' of The Big Bang Theory. Pop Culture Detective on TH-cam does an interesting take on how some of this bullying applies in that show.
Fr I found myself disliking Jim in the earlier seasons when I rewatched them bc he just came off mean. And in that Christmas episode I’m pretty sure Jim just got a snowball and threw it at Dwight instead of doing an elaborate prank making him more of a bully
Thank you for this comment. Yes, Jim is such a bully, yet people often deny it because when he is compared to other people, he looks normal along with Pam. For example, Dwight might be a weirdo but he doesn't try to harm anyone, he even tries to protect people even though the way he chooses might be wrong. On the other hand if you compare Jim and Michael, they are technically both the same. Their jokes make someone uncomfortable but Michael doesn't aware how he makes people uncomfortable or doesn't get the social clues. Yet, Jim is aware these social clues and he still "pranks" Dwight because he doesn't respect him, or simply being different from others and tbh Dwight is easy to pick on. And Jim likes that attention if you think that's essentially builded a relationship with Pam too.
Maybe I'm broken inside, but whenever I see a TH-camr crying on camera about another TH-camr, I automatically think that it's a grab for veiws and that both sides are in on it.
same I dont trust youtubers who cry on camera and dont edit it out for the whole internet to see and put them crying as the thumbnail. It just screams "cash grab" through sympathy.
i watched the girl on the thumbnail’s video and immediately thought what she was saying was greatly exaggerated and fake. That video was promoted heavy by TH-cam. I honestly didn’t believe her. Sorry. Complete Adsense money grab.
I don’t think you’re broken inside - I think you’re having the correct response. And honestly it’s good that more people are feeling this way because this fake crying is way too effective as a low effort marketing tool.
At the same time it's pretty shitty if the person is genuinely upset and there's an audience so jaded they think you're doing it for attention. I'm not blaming you but it's broken both ways.
As soon as this video started i saw you and was like "is she having a breakdown like them?" 😂 Also THANK YOU for putting contrapoint's video about cancelling as a reference after everything she's been through. Cancel culture is toxic but necessary, just like anything else. But Excess of anything is also unhealthy.
I feel like this “drama” issue is not only prevalent on TH-cam but also in our political system. Large new organizations like CNN, Fox, etc. follow similar patterns to those discussed in this video. In addition, they have 24 hours to cover it! Imagine how much money all of these organizations have made in the past 5 years covering somewhat trivial issues and picking them apart without any hint of journalism (from both the left and the right!) Interesting to consider the human nature that makes drama so profitable.
A month late but any network "news" is considered entertainment, and the FCC doesn't license or regulate them. The FCC also doesn't deal with anything on the internet. This is really most problematic as corporations have swooped up everything, moving it all outside of FCC jurisdiction.
Just speaking to the bullying vs critiquing piece - I do think its important to consider the power imbalance between a huge youtuber with millions of subscribers and the potentially smaller creator they are making fun of. It's not the act of laughing about the content itself - to me its about the fallout that can happen when a huge creator sends their hoards of fans to go and attack whoever they were making fun of. Like, this happens anytime a Kardashian responds to a tweet they don't like - you might as well delete your account if this happens to you
Im sorry, I wouldn't call that drama though. He's literally abusing women, young girls and possibly even his own children. I see that as much worse than "internet drama". He's a criminal.
BabyCakes123 is that onion boy? I have been on the internet for a long time and I see the name sometimes but haven’t heard anything more about him. What’d he do? Be a predator I guess lol
hello just wanted to say how much i admire you and how much i enjoy the topics you pick and the way you dissect them with such decisiveness but still fair, im a new subscriber and its a really nice change to see a women make these type of vids!
I don't really like "tea" as it always has such negativity around it and using it as a way to get views. Personally I believe that if 2 people have a problem with one another, keep it between yourselves and find a middle ground. To milk this drama out is so dumb to me. P.S. I took a journalism class last semester and definitely cannot be journalism when it comes to "tea" channels. There's so many small things and processes when it comes to reported the news that "tea" channels probably couldn't abide by due to the way "tea" is. Anyways, that's all I wanted to say! Great video!
i dunno, anything can be an academic topic if you approach it academically. Social media literacy is going to be an academic field, if it's not already.
I miss when "response videos" were just called "video responses" They're meant to go directly to the person in response to a video they directly made and not some dramatic shit It really hit me they were gone when Black Nerd stopped putting them at the end of his outros
Yeah, it’s a shame that video responses were removed before I started to upload. It would’ve been a handy feature to have for certain videos I’ve made in the past.
someone who has had a lot of journalism, even if i am in norway lmao, i'd definitely say the five points of journalism is very correct. the bias thing is very true, we've always been told we're going into this objectively and just reporting the news, not trying to put our own opinion into the work. we may chose sources based on our opinions, but a good journalist (as far as i have learned, of course) retell the story with no or as little bias as possible.
A Hungarian journalist, Gergő Szirmai once said 'The only objective thing you have is on your camera.' you can't be completely objective because there's no such thing but we have to come as close to it as possible.
All of the “tea”/drama channels make me uncomfortable. I understand their place on the platform, but I don’t like them. I don’t like the idea of discussing someone, talking about things that perhaps are real and VERY serious for them, all the while referring to those serious topics as “tea”. Like what’s going on with Onision right now? I hope that isn’t being called “tea”. It minimizes what is, in that case, allegations of very serious crimes. Maybe I’m being too sensitive about this. I’ll admit I’ve never watched a video by one of these tea channels, so I’m happy to be corrected and educated by someone who has. I just find the whole idea pretty toxic.
noel090909 I agree wholeheartedly. We need to specify what’s ‘tea’ and what’s something genuinely serious. Both can and should be discussed in my opinion, but referring to every piece of drama as tea is extremely toxic. Putting things as serious as the Onision situation and things a minuscule Trisha Paytas not liking Gabbie Hanna under the same umbrella makes the serious things more petty. People usually won’t listen to serious things on TH-cam because of the platforms reputation. Labeling it as tea is only going to worsen things. If people actually wanted to bring situations in to the light and give justice to those who were wronged, they wouldn’t jump on the gun to make a video about the first piece of information that came out.
Tea originally meant personal stuff going on in someone's life and circles, but idk if it meant only casual gossip or if it also included serious issues/traumas /etc. I think it meant both, but hearing "tea" used for casual gossip a lot does probably mean that the connotation has shifted to casual rather than serious.
Mori Totebag Thank you for providing that context. I obviously have my own biases, but it’s clear to me that gossip about an individual can be about anything, serious or silly. I still think I basically agree with the above comment from Jon that perhaps a different word should be used in more serious circumstances, but maybe I’ll be able to see “tea” with some more nuance now. So thanks! :)
To me it's just pathetic how people feed on other people's lives. They sit there waiting on devices waiting for "tea" just to watch the video and then sit there for hours editing a video to upload. Like how sad can your life be...
as a journalism major I can wholeheartedly agree with the core principles, it is necessary to keep them all in mind when being tasked to tell the news in a fair and honest fashion, especially considering the climate of news we all live in currently where the truth is a little hard to get to through all of the lies and misinformation being spread around quicker than the common cold in a packed room. so, yeah! thank you for talking about that and how misleading some drama/"tea" channels are being when saying that (not even Internet Today* does that, they specifically say they aren't the news and that just listening to them is Not A Good Thing) *highly recommend watching their videos, they're really good!
OMG you recommended Contrapoints! I am so happy! She’s one of my favorite creators, I love that other TH-camrs are starting to give her a larger platform. She puts so much work in to her videos, it’s incredible.
Thanks so much for touching on the concept of professional journalism. In this day and age, I'm not sure most people realize that real journalists have ethics and guidelines they are to follow when reporting. There is so much distrust and crazy accusations aimed toward the press, the fact that these professionals are charges with reporting the facts and both sides of the story is obscured.
Really appreciated your comparison of drama & tea channels to tabloids. It's interesting to think about how the obsession with sensationalism has carried over through the transition from traditional media to new media. Another great video, as always-here's an early congratulations for hitting 500k!!
From a journalism student on the subject of humanity: it’s also important to note that many ethical media outlets weigh the ramifications to the subject of the story against what the public would gain from it, and if it is necessary information for them to know. You got it all right, I just think that is one important thing to note about the humanity aspect!
As someone who consistently watches Philip DeFranco, he makes it a point to only cover "drama" when there is a bigger legal battle at hand or something that affects the internet culture as it stands. That being said, I think he's a good medium of traditional news/journalism and new age internet media. He reports the facts while also expressing his opinions and he plays the internet game of clickbait and covering stories he knows people want him to cover. He holds himself to the same standards that licensed journalists do even though he does not comes from a traditional journalist background. I think a lot of drama/commentary channels like to say he's a drama channel because he tries very hard to distance himself from them and tries to pay them as little mind as possible. He's also shit on them and I think he thinks he's better than them. I'm glad that there are people like you who are changing the game for commentary channels and are trying to be more responsible in the way you do your research, spread information and hold yourself accountable.
honestly, Philip DeFranco is the TH-cam version of E!News to me, but without the constant ADs in between and wannabe attempts at being the hipper and cooler version of Today or GMA
As someone who's been bullied for many many years at school, on the internet and basically everywhere you can face bullying, I'd like say a few words about what is classified as bullying. It's the deliberate action of doing harm to other people just to make them hurt, nothing more. People tend to throw the word around too much and in situations when there's literally no bullying present. That in itself is very harmful to the people who are actually being bullied. When we're classifying things like "That's Cringe" as bullying, literal vicmins of the hateful act get laughed at and their experiences as being bullied are disregarded and not taken seriously. Bullying is a serious problem, I've struggled my whole life with it and it has caused me mental health problems to say the least. This is why we really need to pay attention what we call bullying. The main point is that laughing at someone's ACTIONS isn't bullying, but belitteling someone AS A PERSON and laughing at THEM is what we can call bullying.
You could also refer to the Society of Professional Journalists (SPJ) code of ethics, where they discuss striking a balance between seeking the truth and minimizing harm. It’s super important to those who have reported on current events. As a (past and future) journalist I appreciate you mentioning the difference between journalism and drama channels, because people have lately had suuuch a hard time differentiating between journalism, punditry, drama channels, listicles/clickbait, etc. and it DRIVES ME INSANE! You’re helping the cause of improving media literacy among the public and I applaud you for it 👏🏽
tiffany, your videos get better and better! I've been here since the first internet analysis video and I have enjoyed all of them!! thanks for talking about things most people don't address. inspired by you and a few others, I'm actually writing my senior thesis on fast fashion and consumerism. I'm so glad I found your channel!
re: why we usually side with the person who broke the story first, I forget what the phenomenon is called but its also observed in journalism where there's more pressure and emphasis on being the first to break the story rather than to wait and have the most factually accurate story because people tend to only remember the first perspective they hear about something rather than any of the amendments to the story that may come later and actually represent the reality of the situation / reflect the truth better
It worked in every big youtube drama so far. If you're the first person to call someone a manipulative liar, the other person is already at a severe disadvantage to be believed, whether what they say is true or not. Not every one tunes in to response videos either, worse of all they might get condensed biased information from tea channels who are not just biased but can also omit details crucial to the story.
thymeandahalf so true! Just take the big james charles drama for example, even if he proved that tati was wrong in every point ppl still call him a predator and everything bc shes the one who talked first..so crazy
I love how professional these videos are. A lot of people on youtube do very casual kid focused content that won’t last once they turn 40. But tiffany’s videos are so professional and well made. they’re some of the best examples of how youtube can be an actual career or a serious thing you can focus your time on.
Great part 2! Really appreciated your insight. Coming from the perspective of someone with PTSD and who's been kinda-sorta following the situation, I think another thing that the Soo and Nick drama addresses is the way that we as traumatized people respond to triggers. Both Soo and Nick have mentioned their personal histories with trauma (Soo's triggers as she's described them are are based around feeling trapped and incapable of agency, while Nick's are feelings of abandonment or withholding) as they've impacted their roles in the current situation, and I think there should be a little more discussion on the ways in which the two of them have responded to their own triggers - Soo, by internalizing the pain and holding it to herself for a long time, and Nick, by overreaching and reacting very strongly against not just the triggering event but also the person acting out the given trigger.
As someone with a Journalism degree, the idea that “tea” channels are journalists is laughable. It’s honestly hilarious that some of these people actually take what they do THAT seriously. And one of the most important tenants of journalism is being completely neutral no matter the subject matter (unless you’re creating op-Ed type of content). But even with op-Ed’s, you typically need to do way more research than drama channels do. Interviewing is also a tenant in journalism. You’re supposed to at least try to get direct responses from both sides of the argument.
you really are becoming my favorite youtuber. ive learned so much about critical thinking and society and ive really started to think twice about what kind of media i consume. you are such a breath of fresh air in this community and i really do look up to you, youre like my big sister. thank you for everything!
Another epic analysis. Love how you always, calling out how you kinda doing the things you talk about, but at the same time your self awareness makes it so appealing.
As a loyal fan of Philip Defranco since 2015, the evolution of his channel is astounding....he has had a research team since 2016, yes up top he'll cover "community" news (TH-cam stuff/social media stuff), but he usually saves the back half of the videos for political news & and international news...for example, the last video he did before his month long break on 12/19/19, he covered the Camila Cabello controversy, Forbes' Top Ten Richest TH-camrs, he shouted out other TH-cam vids, he then covered Congress voting to impeach Trump, and finally Trump Rally in Michigan following the impeachment...he so good at showing all the facts, and then clearly stating what is actually his opinion, and as a registered Democrat, I appreciate how fair Phil is at covering all politics on both sides...he's the closest thing the internet will ever see to actual "Fair & Balanced"...and one last thing that I really appreciate bout Phil, TH-cam's stupid policy that lead to the 1st "Ad-Pocalypse" bout themes that are deemed so controversial that lead to demonitization (Terrorism, Killings, Rapes, Child Abuse etc.), has lead to many of his videos getting demonetized, but hasn't stopped him from pushing through that hurdle, he'll continue to cover these topics knowing how important it is to inform the public
I think most of the time it’s necessary to keep shit offline because people will completely manipulate anything you say to put themselves at an advantadge but I mean if it’s someone who’s literally a danger to others it is necessary to eXpOsE it honestly I’ve stopped watching tea channels etc (unless u count as a tea channel) cuz it’s so easy to manipulate really anything that people say depending on who they are biased toward.
Another wholesome video from tiffany. With youtube being such a big platform for discussion, there are toxic loop-holes in the drama place. Influencers that exist can be a huge bargain to what we take in, whether it's true or not. It's definitely up to us to decide what we see and hear is reality or being played out!
I admire you so much. You just structure everything so logically and as a freshman and college focusing on research, I want to be able to speak as clearly and concisely as you. I hope this isn’t a weird comment lol? Also I have the same blanket :-)
@@SalimDoodles oh I definitely agree. I think her latest video isnt the same as Nick's video. I had just recently watched her video before seeing this one and thought it was a funny coincidence. Definitely not meant to shade Contrapoints.
Drama is such an easy thing to get lost in just like tv for example it’s a way to escape from your life escape from your personal drama also it’s sometimes comforting to see people you idolise not look perfect ya know I think that’s why drama is so popular
as a pre-media studies major (probably switching to journalism) i love this series so much. also those ethics of journalism are 100% the kind of thing you see in journalism classes, very important and most drama channels do not follow those guidelines lol
Hi, I'm a Masters of Journalism student and those core principles are 100% CORRECT. These drama and commentary channels aren't journalists / news media nor do they want to be lol. If they abide by the same unspoken "laws" as journalists, these channels would be sued for libel left and right by the people they report drama on. Journalists are public servants and we're committed to reporting the truth/exposing the truth. It may hurt a few people, but it does more good than hurt. They could hurt a few people, but help many more. Drama and commentary channels aren't here to tell the truth, they tell drama no matter how many more people they hurt than do good for. Also, the sources of these channels are "questionable" at times, and if you wanna be a journalist, your sources can't be "questionable"
I have just used your link from the last video to sign up for Blinkist and already addicted to it. What a fabulous resource. I appreciate that my ability to afford it is a privilege but I do hope that one day these caches of knowledge will be able to be publicly owned like local libraries. Thanks for the discount
This is a really interesting subject, and you presented the topic well! As someone who knows a fair bit about journalism (mostly from the side of a writer, but the overall rules of journalism still apply no matter how the content is presented), I don’t think reaction/drama channels are necessarily too similar to journalists, and that’s okay. Journalism relies heavily on research and accuracy, not speculation. While drama channels and commentary channels do report on situations, drama channels react quickly without always knowing the context, and opinions are central in videos. Commentary channels tend to give an overview rather than a play-by-play and send a central message to viewers, which involves the commentator’s opinion. I think there’s a place for both drama channels and commentary channels, but it’s important for creators to explain what is opinion vs fact. Viewers need to be aware of this, too, and be critical when consuming media. My bad about the essay, I just find this whole topic interesting. :) Great video as always!
This is one of the most sensible videos on YT drama I have seen in a while. And glad to know I'm not the only one who gets bored when multiple channels cover the same drama and it gets kinda repetitive. I get they want to cover the latest but as a viewer it gets annoying.
Tiffany, Just wanted to say I really enjoy your content. I like the topics you pick, how you present them to the audience, their relevance and variety. I am really glad youtube suggested your channel to me. Also, as I am on the older side of the Millennials group, watching your videos at least keeps me in the loop with these modern things (like what the hell is TikTok). A few days after I've seen your Internet analysis about Visco girls, going to work I overheard two high school girls referring to another girl as a Visco girl. I felt totally smug just knowing what that meant. :D
RANT ABOUT CANCEL CULTURE Honestly, we as an online audience, as the 'viewers' or 'fans' have become so obsessed with cancelling. Cancel culture started off as calling out people for serious issues, for example Harvey Weinstein and the #metoo movement. (This is quite a recent example i'm sure there are older ones). This 'calling out' as such initially seemed to bring people like Weinstein to justice, which seems like a good thing, right? But this has evolved so much that we have started to call people out for minuscule things, like grammar mistakes, or even deviating from what people have said and trying to cancel them based on our own assumptions, which are often wrong. It seems that our society almost finds joy in picking at others mistakes, and that we gain a hero complex when we call someone out. When we do it, we are basically saying "ha! You made this mistake and you are wrong and I am right" , we take small mistakes and over exaggerate them until our accusations are so loosely based on the cancel 'victims' actions it's almost stupid to try and call them out. We've forgotten why cancel culture started, and are rather using it to fuel our own egos as we continually seek to drag people through the dirt for the smallest of mistakes. Sorry for this messy rant lol x
I think in particular the dramagedon (involving Jeffree star, Manny MUA, and Laura Lee if you remember that) Was the first time people realized that it was funny and entertaining to watch huge creators fall from grace, be humiliated, and make fools of themselves. The youtube crowds morbidly enjoyed these people's suffering and humiliation, much like bullies. EXCEPT, they weren't picking on tiny helpless nerds, they were picking on the popular people. Except it wasn't 'bullying' it was retribution for their mistakes. I think this is a major reason that TH-cam crowds won't except any apology they will always claim its insincere because it is more fun to shit ok someone and laugh at them, then fix the problems and move on. I do think these aggressive gossipers are jealous. They want to be the queen bee so bad they are just waiting for the currently popular youtubers to make mistakes so that they can rally everyone onto their side and profit off of this person misstep. While continuing to kick then down. It so cowardly, they don't show their face, they hid behind the crowd that they influence, and an alias. And then isolate and group torment a single person, sometimes to the tune of millions of people. And the crowd that is clearly bullying in groups (bullies mostly move in crowds because they are actually cowards that only care about preserving themselves) feels like they are 'holding them accountable' or in other it fair or its retribution they deserve it, "it's totally fine that I totally lack integrity in my actions and am overtly cruel" the cancel people say to themselves. The weirdest part to me, that is seems like everyone in the cancel culture/tea/gossip/mob/which hunt/punisher camp is whatever they accuse the person they are "holding accountable" they do they same thing or worse, or the very worst is they are seriously projecting. It puts people in a pressure cooker, their every action interpreted as inherently evil and blown up to colossal propostion and yet another reason to send endless hate to them. It is just people watching their every move waiting for a mistake to milk. And then the tea channels play the victim, then the person reacts. Why is she angry? Cause you are mentally abusing her!!! Man this whole thing is sick. The tea, gossip, tabloid, cowards are disgusting bullies, manipulative humans, with a victim and self righteous holier than thou complex. The people getting attacked rarely do anything so wrong that they deserve the mental abuse that they receive.
shoutout to all my media studies majors! i'm a digital communication major and we cover media literacy and analyze audiences too! i switched from journalism to digital communications. i can confirm that those journalism principles more or less are the same across the board. it depends on the organization. journalistic companies (newspapers, tv stations, journalism associations and even from other countries) have different standards for their group. they word it differently. it is the same thing. 1. honesty, 2. transparency, 3. accuracy, 4. neutral PoV 5. clarity are the most prevalent in the world of journalism. drama channels that claim they're journalists and are familiar with the practice will not survive.
I’m glad I found your channel! You’re doing great work, and I’m looking forward to learning a lot. Very interesting and informing videos. You deliver the learning with a fun and smart personality. Keep up the good work, and I wish you the best in your career moving forward! :)
One of the things that an activist friend said about cancelling that really stuck with me is that cancelling is a culturally capitalistic thing to do. And sometimes that's necessary, sometimes you need to cut off the people in your life for your own health and safety. But when you cancel someone, you're throwing them away. You're putting them out of sight, out of mind, and there's no room for community accountability or growth there. On one hand, you need to provide people the space for growth. On the other hand, you need to consider the impact it has on the victim as well as the potential risks to other vulnerable members of the group. Anyways, I think what I really like about your commentary videos is that they tend to involve largely meta commentary on phenomena (on political, philosophical, and sociological levels) rather than the direct issue e.g. like this video, looking at "spilling tea" as opposed to a specific incident, or your video on sustainability as a broad movement and it's issues.
I’m in my senior year of my journalism degree, I’m the editor in chief of my uni’s paper and am currently working for a local paper (I know I’m a month late, sorry). It drives me crazy when drama channels try to sell themselves as journalists (looking at you keemstar). Those principles that you described are essential to the basis of journalism. Also, with journalism, there’s an intense editing process. Multiple people read your story, give you feed back, ask the essential question of “is this a provable fact or is this speculation”. Journalists also have an obligation to reach out to the accused and if you don’t you could get sued for libel! Throwing an “allegedly” onto the end of a controversial sentence just isn’t up to snuff. Drama channels need to be more comfortable in what they are and stop trying to use to connotations that go with journalism to try to make themselves seem more than what they are. It’s entertainment, not journalism, and that’s okay (for the most part)! Anyway, Tiffany I love your internet analysis series. Keep up the good work.
Hi tiffany! Please do an internet analysis on mukbang culture and how it somehow encourages binge eating and eating disorder. I find it really extreme and disturbing sometimes.
Thanks so much for dropping the glam and just being natural and not doing performative beauty. Love your channel and the topics you cover! I so wish everyone would pull back from all the drama and spectacle performance that preys on people's emotions for profit.
PART TWO of my discussions about drama & commentary channels. Share your thoughts!!
TIME STAMPS BELOW:
0:00 - intro
1:23 - the pattern of drama coverage on youtube, using the Nikocado Avocado & Stephanie Soo situation as an example
1:42 - step 1) tea is spilled
2:20 - step 2) audience reactions & response videos
4:22 - step 3) tea channels reupload clips and receipts
4:54 - step 4) Person #2 responds
5:52 - step 5) more reactions, response videos, and drama recaps
8:22 - step 6) involved people continue to make response videos
8:38 - step 7) most viewers lose interest, but videos will still be made as long as some people will still watch
9:12 - we must re-examine if & how we interact with youtube drama
9:46 - sometimes dramatic situations contain important takeaways
10:49 - we can make larger points about the drama that happens online, rather than focusing on trivial details
12:18 - tbt to when I made the mistake of jumping on the bandwagon of "covering" the James Charles & Tati situation
13:13 - drama & commentary channels have a responsibility to admit when we are wrong
13:31 - are drama and commentary channels "journalists" ?
14:32 - the five core principles of journalism, and how they relate to youtubers
17:29 - are drama and commentary channels "bullying" ?
18:11 - remember when Jake Paul called Cody Ko a bully?
19:58 - my personal conflict in making videos about other youtubers
20:58 - just watch ContraPoints' video on Canceling, ok ??
I’ve never been this early, but your videos are so well thought out! Also, you’re burrito blanket is such a vibe
19 hours ago?
beasty rots scheduled uploads or something like that
you should watch a recap of nikocados response and stephanie’s full second response because (i love steph) and also the amount of evidence she has and the way she clearly responded is so satisfying.
@@riflebusters1 I upload unlisted, pay for captions, then let the video go public the next day!
I'm sure internet drama and "tea" is definitely toxic and awful but oh man, it's some prime entertainment watching rich influencers publicly eat each other alive in front of an audience. modern day gladiator shows
Ironic how in the past poor enslaved people were forced to enter the arenas and it's the rich ones🧐
This is so true human nature is really strange
Fancy Snake exactly
Christie Veneti these people aren’t rich they’re broke af people TRYING to be rich, hence why they gossip and back stab in order to gain more internet market share. Real wealth people don’t have to do such petty things.
it's like daytime tv gossip shows on crack with no restrictions
The fact that you as a creator admitted you were wrong and too quick to come out with a video speaks volummeesss about your integrity on this platform. Thank you for being real and honest, as always :)
Thank you! I’m far from perfect but I try!!
That's absolutely amazing to see such high-quality content from such a high-quality person!
Criminology & psychology major here! There's a bias called "anchoring" where we rely on information we see/hear first to inform how we interpret other information or make decisions. There's a bunch of research about how this bias impacts us, but when it comes to these drama videos or channels I think that the emotion behind them and the details and "receipts" construct (or seem to construct) such a compelling narrative that the one we see first is (1) very convincing, and (2) what we will use to interpret related information and developments.
I'm a psych major and I was basically gonna leave this same comment haha.
Thank GOD!! educated people understanding stuff makes me so happy, proves that education aint a waste of money even if its for understanding youtube😂😊😊😊because i guess thats life now, youtube😆
Yesss thank you for this!
@@Aceamzing
+1
Psych PhD here, and yes to all of this! Just to expand on this slightly, there’s a boatload of studies showing that’s it’s very hard to change people’s opinions once they’re convinced something is true.
If someone already believes story A, if they hear evidence to support story B, this creates dissonance-and to resolve this, they will likely (a) discount that evidence as untrue, (b) spin the evidence so that it somehow supports story A, or (c) accept it’s true but determine that it doesn’t matter. People are more likely to do (d) change their mind and believe story B (or some mix of both stories) if they aren’t strongly anchored to the first story-but even if they do change their mind, effects of story A continue to linger (even if story A was never true!).
Worst of all, (and this pertains perhaps more to fake news but still seems relevant here), even if people think something’s not true, if they repeatedly see headlines about it over and over again, they’ll start to think it must be true.
A lot of channels mainly care about making a quick buck instead of waiting to make a well informed judgement
Luke Alexander hi Luke!! I love your channel 💕
I love your channel ❤
You have great channel too, keep up the work!
You're one of them
"i couldn't be bothered to fix my bangs and i'm wearing a burrito blanket" what a mood
I want that on a t-shirt
I’m a former journalist. As a first year reporter I broke a story about the chief of police and why he was fired. It was a big deal for me to make sure all my facts were correct. I don’t consider tea/drama/commentary videos as journalism. Keem Star is NOT a journalist, no matter what he says.
Edit: I’ve been seeing this a lot where people say “unbiased opinion” or something and that’s inherently contradictory. An opinion can not be unbiased because it’s an opinion!!!!
audrey thank you!💀 I’ve seen some people try to sit there and act like drama channels were on par with actual journalists. And are somehow gatekeepers of the community.
I am in school for journalism and I agree with you 100%. My professors are always stressing that a true journalist does not share opinions, only facts.
"unbiased opinion" is like when people say they want "objective" reviews lol
Omg, yes. I have had this discussion with so many ppl and it bothers me so much. You can TRY to do an unbiased analysis or listing the facts (even though even that can be biased unconsciously) but can't have an OPINION and still being unaffected.
@@MsJb1d unless it is an opinion peace, which is marked clearly as such...
And sometimes, when there’s too much drama on TH-cam, all you gotta do is....
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LMAO I FORGOT THAT VINE EXISTED FOR A FAT SECOND 😂
vine wouldn’t treat us this way
Vine really ages like wine.
this eyeshadow color compliments your eyes so much!
It really does bring out her eyes. I dunno of its just me but she looks so much tanner than usual
@@atrapdr6251 it's probably because she's using warmer colors for her eyeshadow makeup. Either way she looks great!
Re: the question of likable bullies, I think of The Office (US version). In the episode Classy Christmas (season 7, ep. 11/12), Dwight, a pretty unstable and socially clueless character, takes epic revenge on Jim, the likeable audience-insert character, for all of Jim's previous pranking. Now, Jim's pranks are hilarious (for the audience), but they always truly upset Dwight. When we laugh at Jim's pranks, we laugh at Dwight's discomfort. So Jim's pranking is bullying, especially because Jim is popular and Dwight is not. Isn't that the classic set-up? Popular kid makes fun of loser? In Episode 1 of the series, when Dwight complains that Jim has put his stapler in jello "again", why do we not see right away that Jim is being a bully? Because Jim is charming. But if Jim were also kind, he'd see that Dwight wasn't having fun with the pranks, and he would stop.
Yet, when I talk to people about their reactions to the Classy Christmas episode, they don't see Dwight's behavior as justified, or even as the inevitable snap of an unbalanced person after years of persecution. They see Jim as a victim of Dwight's terrible social skills: Dwight is at fault both for not knowing "how to take a joke" when he's the victim and for "taking a prank too far" when he's the perpetrator.
What's especially interesting about this dynamic is the possibility that many bullies may not know that they're bullies, because they don't mean harm, or don't get negative feedback from anyone except the "loser" who "just can't take a joke". Popular TH-camrs chasing views and ad revenue might not feel very powerful, but their videos making fun of others still get millions of views, and that is power. Bullying when you don't mean to bully could happen.
This is such an insightful comment, and something I think should get more responses here! This dynamic makes it more clear to me why I don't really enjoy or understand the humor of The Office
@@nomusicnecessary
For me, insights like this explain why I sometimes felt uncomfortable at the 'humor' of The Big Bang Theory.
Pop Culture Detective on TH-cam does an interesting take on how some of this bullying applies in that show.
This is a quality, A+ comment. Thank you so much for writing it out.
Fr I found myself disliking Jim in the earlier seasons when I rewatched them bc he just came off mean. And in that Christmas episode I’m pretty sure Jim just got a snowball and threw it at Dwight instead of doing an elaborate prank making him more of a bully
Thank you for this comment. Yes, Jim is such a bully, yet people often deny it because when he is compared to other people, he looks normal along with Pam. For example, Dwight might be a weirdo but he doesn't try to harm anyone, he even tries to protect people even though the way he chooses might be wrong. On the other hand if you compare Jim and Michael, they are technically both the same. Their jokes make someone uncomfortable but Michael doesn't aware how he makes people uncomfortable or doesn't get the social clues. Yet, Jim is aware these social clues and he still "pranks" Dwight because he doesn't respect him, or simply being different from others and tbh Dwight is easy to pick on. And Jim likes that attention if you think that's essentially builded a relationship with Pam too.
I know you said your bed is paisley print, but I cant unsee the whales.
SAME and honestly I don't want to
Sincerely Eccentric personally I thought that she bought like a vineyard vines bed set lol
Its foxes! And I refuse to accept that its anything different
Tiffany should launch a whale bed collection merch 😂
Sincerely Eccentric I see the whales too
Maybe I'm broken inside, but whenever I see a TH-camr crying on camera about another TH-camr, I automatically think that it's a grab for veiws and that both sides are in on it.
same I dont trust youtubers who cry on camera and dont edit it out for the whole internet to see and put them crying as the thumbnail. It just screams "cash grab" through sympathy.
i watched the girl on the thumbnail’s video and immediately thought what she was saying was greatly exaggerated and fake. That video was promoted heavy by TH-cam. I honestly didn’t believe her. Sorry. Complete Adsense money grab.
I don’t think you’re broken inside - I think you’re having the correct response. And honestly it’s good that more people are feeling this way because this fake crying is way too effective as a low effort marketing tool.
At the same time it's pretty shitty if the person is genuinely upset and there's an audience so jaded they think you're doing it for attention. I'm not blaming you but it's broken both ways.
@@Unkuuu It did happen though, there are some videos, texts and photos that back up what happened as well as the third person that was there agreeing.
‘We like critical thinking baby’ merch please
And on the back: "Just try to make your constructive criticism...constructive. Duh."
Ah yes please!!!
Like a big over sized jumper!
#wouldbuy
yes please
As soon as this video started i saw you and was like "is she having a breakdown like them?" 😂
Also THANK YOU for putting contrapoint's video about cancelling as a reference after everything she's been through. Cancel culture is toxic but necessary, just like anything else. But Excess of anything is also unhealthy.
I feel like this “drama” issue is not only prevalent on TH-cam but also in our political system. Large new organizations like CNN, Fox, etc. follow similar patterns to those discussed in this video. In addition, they have 24 hours to cover it! Imagine how much money all of these organizations have made in the past 5 years covering somewhat trivial issues and picking them apart without any hint of journalism (from both the left and the right!) Interesting to consider the human nature that makes drama so profitable.
Good point!! The 24 hour news cycle has been the worst.
A month late but any network "news" is considered entertainment, and the FCC doesn't license or regulate them. The FCC also doesn't deal with anything on the internet. This is really most problematic as corporations have swooped up everything, moving it all outside of FCC jurisdiction.
As a fellow girl with bangs I’d like to say: totally feel you not wanting to fix them :)
Just speaking to the bullying vs critiquing piece - I do think its important to consider the power imbalance between a huge youtuber with millions of subscribers and the potentially smaller creator they are making fun of. It's not the act of laughing about the content itself - to me its about the fallout that can happen when a huge creator sends their hoards of fans to go and attack whoever they were making fun of. Like, this happens anytime a Kardashian responds to a tweet they don't like - you might as well delete your account if this happens to you
The onision drama I’m paying attention to atm cause Chris Hansen from To Catch A Predator is investigating him hahahaha
SAME THOUGH
if you’re on reddit r/onisionisamassivecuck is fking hilarious
Im sorry, I wouldn't call that drama though. He's literally abusing women, young girls and possibly even his own children. I see that as much worse than "internet drama". He's a criminal.
BabyCakes123 is that onion boy? I have been on the internet for a long time and I see the name sometimes but haven’t heard anything more about him. What’d he do? Be a predator I guess lol
@@alicelemieux531 Oh shit really? Yikes.
you're so wholesome and well spoken and smart, your content is literally *chef's kiss*
It's an actual burrito blanket to burrito oneself in. That's incredible. I need it.
Okay, I'll focus on the video now.
hello just wanted to say how much i admire you and how much i enjoy the topics you pick and the way you dissect them with such decisiveness but still fair, im a new subscriber and its a really nice change to see a women make these type of vids!
I feel the same way about her!! :)
thank you!! :)
I don't really like "tea" as it always has such negativity around it and using it as a way to get views. Personally I believe that if 2 people have a problem with one another, keep it between yourselves and find a middle ground. To milk this drama out is so dumb to me.
P.S. I took a journalism class last semester and definitely cannot be journalism when it comes to "tea" channels. There's so many small things and processes when it comes to reported the news that "tea" channels probably couldn't abide by due to the way "tea" is. Anyways, that's all I wanted to say! Great video!
I love how every time I watch your videos your voice is the sound and tone of an academic but the topic is completely opposite
MY BRAND!
i dunno, anything can be an academic topic if you approach it academically. Social media literacy is going to be an academic field, if it's not already.
*Burrito blanket + Analysis + Tiffany =* Burriffany.
if she ever made merch, this should definitely be on a tshirt or something
@@veemr4877 Or a burrito blanket.
why does that sound like "epiphany"?
I miss when "response videos" were just called "video responses"
They're meant to go directly to the person in response to a video they directly made and not some dramatic shit
It really hit me they were gone when Black Nerd stopped putting them at the end of his outros
I miss video responses too!
We are in the age of the spectacle so anything less jarring/dramatic doesnt even register in the minds of many.
Yeah, it’s a shame that video responses were removed before I started to upload. It would’ve been a handy feature to have for certain videos I’ve made in the past.
Spilling the tea on spilling the tea
I'm a journalist minor and the more I learn, the more I'm shocked at how much we've failed to keep up standards.
I'm happy you gave a shout out to ContraPoint's Cancel Culture vid. It's a pretty good nose dive into the best and worst of Cancel Culture.
Contra Points loved Cancel Culture until the day she got canceled. lol
honestly need you as a teacher, you would be such a good one, love the way your present and talk is so nice and soothing .thanks for these vids
someone who has had a lot of journalism, even if i am in norway lmao, i'd definitely say the five points of journalism is very correct.
the bias thing is very true, we've always been told we're going into this objectively and just reporting the news, not trying to put our own opinion into the work. we may chose sources based on our opinions, but a good journalist (as far as i have learned, of course) retell the story with no or as little bias as possible.
yes!!!! if you're too emotionally invested in what you're covering you should give it someone else
A fellow Norwegian Tiffany fan I see :)
@@whatever.1765 same here!
A Hungarian journalist, Gergő Szirmai once said 'The only objective thing you have is on your camera.' you can't be completely objective because there's no such thing but we have to come as close to it as possible.
@@annasolya1765 i have just learned that you are supposed to be as objective as you can. of course no one is 100% objective!
All of the “tea”/drama channels make me uncomfortable. I understand their place on the platform, but I don’t like them.
I don’t like the idea of discussing someone, talking about things that perhaps are real and VERY serious for them, all the while referring to those serious topics as “tea”. Like what’s going on with Onision right now? I hope that isn’t being called “tea”. It minimizes what is, in that case, allegations of very serious crimes.
Maybe I’m being too sensitive about this. I’ll admit I’ve never watched a video by one of these tea channels, so I’m happy to be corrected and educated by someone who has. I just find the whole idea pretty toxic.
noel090909 I agree wholeheartedly. We need to specify what’s ‘tea’ and what’s something genuinely serious. Both can and should be discussed in my opinion, but referring to every piece of drama as tea is extremely toxic. Putting things as serious as the Onision situation and things a minuscule Trisha Paytas not liking Gabbie Hanna under the same umbrella makes the serious things more petty. People usually won’t listen to serious things on TH-cam because of the platforms reputation. Labeling it as tea is only going to worsen things. If people actually wanted to bring situations in to the light and give justice to those who were wronged, they wouldn’t jump on the gun to make a video about the first piece of information that came out.
I think this is called being a decent person 😏👍
Tea originally meant personal stuff going on in someone's life and circles, but idk if it meant only casual gossip or if it also included serious issues/traumas /etc. I think it meant both, but hearing "tea" used for casual gossip a lot does probably mean that the connotation has shifted to casual rather than serious.
Mori Totebag
Thank you for providing that context. I obviously have my own biases, but it’s clear to me that gossip about an individual can be about anything, serious or silly.
I still think I basically agree with the above comment from Jon that perhaps a different word should be used in more serious circumstances, but maybe I’ll be able to see “tea” with some more nuance now.
So thanks! :)
To me it's just pathetic how people feed on other people's lives. They sit there waiting on devices waiting for "tea" just to watch the video and then sit there for hours editing a video to upload. Like how sad can your life be...
as a journalism major I can wholeheartedly agree with the core principles, it is necessary to keep them all in mind when being tasked to tell the news in a fair and honest fashion, especially considering the climate of news we all live in currently where the truth is a little hard to get to through all of the lies and misinformation being spread around quicker than the common cold in a packed room. so, yeah! thank you for talking about that and how misleading some drama/"tea" channels are being when saying that (not even Internet Today* does that, they specifically say they aren't the news and that just listening to them is Not A Good Thing)
*highly recommend watching their videos, they're really good!
OMG you recommended Contrapoints! I am so happy! She’s one of my favorite creators, I love that other TH-camrs are starting to give her a larger platform. She puts so much work in to her videos, it’s incredible.
Thanks so much for touching on the concept of professional journalism. In this day and age, I'm not sure most people realize that real journalists have ethics and guidelines they are to follow when reporting. There is so much distrust and crazy accusations aimed toward the press, the fact that these professionals are charges with reporting the facts and both sides of the story is obscured.
Really appreciated your comparison of drama & tea channels to tabloids. It's interesting to think about how the obsession with sensationalism has carried over through the transition from traditional media to new media. Another great video, as always-here's an early congratulations for hitting 500k!!
"you can like something and be critical" yes! thank you
From a journalism student on the subject of humanity: it’s also important to note that many ethical media outlets weigh the ramifications to the subject of the story against what the public would gain from it, and if it is necessary information for them to know. You got it all right, I just think that is one important thing to note about the humanity aspect!
As someone who consistently watches Philip DeFranco, he makes it a point to only cover "drama" when there is a bigger legal battle at hand or something that affects the internet culture as it stands. That being said, I think he's a good medium of traditional news/journalism and new age internet media. He reports the facts while also expressing his opinions and he plays the internet game of clickbait and covering stories he knows people want him to cover. He holds himself to the same standards that licensed journalists do even though he does not comes from a traditional journalist background. I think a lot of drama/commentary channels like to say he's a drama channel because he tries very hard to distance himself from them and tries to pay them as little mind as possible. He's also shit on them and I think he thinks he's better than them. I'm glad that there are people like you who are changing the game for commentary channels and are trying to be more responsible in the way you do your research, spread information and hold yourself accountable.
J-school graduate here, and I appreciate you wanting to draw distinctions between actual journalism and drama channels
honestly, Philip DeFranco is the TH-cam version of E!News to me, but without the constant ADs in between and wannabe attempts at being the hipper and cooler version of Today or GMA
My favorite type of drama is “gaming drama” because typically it’s a big corporation being super scummy.
trueeee "gaming drama" = EA not paying their employees enough
girl you're keeping us fed
Your internet analysis series is by far my favorite thing to watch, probably ever!! I hope you’re having a great day Tiffany!! 🤍
Your time stamps are extremely helpful and underrated and I hope this becomes a trend.
As someone who's been bullied for many many years at school, on the internet and basically everywhere you can face bullying, I'd like say a few words about what is classified as bullying. It's the deliberate action of doing harm to other people just to make them hurt, nothing more. People tend to throw the word around too much and in situations when there's literally no bullying present. That in itself is very harmful to the people who are actually being bullied. When we're classifying things like "That's Cringe" as bullying, literal vicmins of the hateful act get laughed at and their experiences as being bullied are disregarded and not taken seriously. Bullying is a serious problem, I've struggled my whole life with it and it has caused me mental health problems to say the least. This is why we really need to pay attention what we call bullying. The main point is that laughing at someone's ACTIONS isn't bullying, but belitteling someone AS A PERSON and laughing at THEM is what we can call bullying.
“Today I couldn’t be bothered to fix my bangs” girl me we bringin that Elvis Presley look BACK
That earring looks like bestdresseds design. Is it? 😍
Yeah it is
I noticed as well! Legends supporting legends
she talks about ashley a lot
Just what I was thinking too
You could also refer to the Society of Professional Journalists (SPJ) code of ethics, where they discuss striking a balance between seeking the truth and minimizing harm. It’s super important to those who have reported on current events. As a (past and future) journalist I appreciate you mentioning the difference between journalism and drama channels, because people have lately had suuuch a hard time differentiating between journalism, punditry, drama channels, listicles/clickbait, etc. and it DRIVES ME INSANE! You’re helping the cause of improving media literacy among the public and I applaud you for it 👏🏽
This "Internet Analysis" series is a godsend. Thank you for all the work you do, Tiffany! :)
tiffany, your videos get better and better! I've been here since the first internet analysis video and I have enjoyed all of them!! thanks for talking about things most people don't address. inspired by you and a few others, I'm actually writing my senior thesis on fast fashion and consumerism. I'm so glad I found your channel!
re: why we usually side with the person who broke the story first, I forget what the phenomenon is called but its also observed in journalism where there's more pressure and emphasis on being the first to break the story rather than to wait and have the most factually accurate story because people tend to only remember the first perspective they hear about something rather than any of the amendments to the story that may come later and actually represent the reality of the situation / reflect the truth better
It worked in every big youtube drama so far. If you're the first person to call someone a manipulative liar, the other person is already at a severe disadvantage to be believed, whether what they say is true or not. Not every one tunes in to response videos either, worse of all they might get condensed biased information from tea channels who are not just biased but can also omit details crucial to the story.
thymeandahalf so true! Just take the big james charles drama for example, even if he proved that tati was wrong in every point ppl still call him a predator and everything bc shes the one who talked first..so crazy
I love how professional these videos are. A lot of people on youtube do very casual kid focused content that won’t last once they turn 40. But tiffany’s videos are so professional and well made. they’re some of the best examples of how youtube can be an actual career or a serious thing you can focus your time on.
"Some men just want to watch the world burn" -Basically me watching TH-cam drama for entertainment...
Great part 2! Really appreciated your insight.
Coming from the perspective of someone with PTSD and who's been kinda-sorta following the situation, I think another thing that the Soo and Nick drama addresses is the way that we as traumatized people respond to triggers. Both Soo and Nick have mentioned their personal histories with trauma (Soo's triggers as she's described them are are based around feeling trapped and incapable of agency, while Nick's are feelings of abandonment or withholding) as they've impacted their roles in the current situation, and I think there should be a little more discussion on the ways in which the two of them have responded to their own triggers - Soo, by internalizing the pain and holding it to herself for a long time, and Nick, by overreaching and reacting very strongly against not just the triggering event but also the person acting out the given trigger.
When the youtube drama-channel is so irellevant that you never heard of nicocado avokado
Realizing you’re only 24, two years younger than I, was shocking! You’re poised and well-spoken, girl! Subscribed!
As someone with a Journalism degree, the idea that “tea” channels are journalists is laughable. It’s honestly hilarious that some of these people actually take what they do THAT seriously.
And one of the most important tenants of journalism is being completely neutral no matter the subject matter (unless you’re creating op-Ed type of content). But even with op-Ed’s, you typically need to do way more research than drama channels do.
Interviewing is also a tenant in journalism. You’re supposed to at least try to get direct responses from both sides of the argument.
I've learnt so much about media and TH-cam culture from your channel, your frank and honest tone is a breath of fresh air. Thanks dude!
you really are becoming my favorite youtuber. ive learned so much about critical thinking and society and ive really started to think twice about what kind of media i consume. you are such a breath of fresh air in this community and i really do look up to you, youre like my big sister. thank you for everything!
omg so sweet! thank you!! :)
Another epic analysis. Love how you always, calling out how you kinda doing the things you talk about, but at the same time your self awareness makes it so appealing.
Burrito Tiffany dragging Onionboy gives me life 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
As a loyal fan of Philip Defranco since 2015, the evolution of his channel is astounding....he has had a research team since 2016, yes up top he'll cover "community" news (TH-cam stuff/social media stuff), but he usually saves the back half of the videos for political news & and international news...for example, the last video he did before his month long break on 12/19/19, he covered the Camila Cabello controversy, Forbes' Top Ten Richest TH-camrs, he shouted out other TH-cam vids, he then covered Congress voting to impeach Trump, and finally Trump Rally in Michigan following the impeachment...he so good at showing all the facts, and then clearly stating what is actually his opinion, and as a registered Democrat, I appreciate how fair Phil is at covering all politics on both sides...he's the closest thing the internet will ever see to actual "Fair & Balanced"...and one last thing that I really appreciate bout Phil, TH-cam's stupid policy that lead to the 1st "Ad-Pocalypse" bout themes that are deemed so controversial that lead to demonitization (Terrorism, Killings, Rapes, Child Abuse etc.), has lead to many of his videos getting demonetized, but hasn't stopped him from pushing through that hurdle, he'll continue to cover these topics knowing how important it is to inform the public
I think most of the time it’s necessary to keep shit offline because people will completely manipulate anything you say to put themselves at an advantadge but I mean if it’s someone who’s literally a danger to others it is necessary to eXpOsE it
honestly I’ve stopped watching tea channels etc (unless u count as a tea channel) cuz it’s so easy to manipulate really anything that people say depending on who they are biased toward.
Another wholesome video from tiffany. With youtube being such a big platform for discussion, there are toxic loop-holes in the drama place. Influencers that exist can be a huge bargain to what we take in, whether it's true or not. It's definitely up to us to decide what we see and hear is reality or being played out!
I admire you so much. You just structure everything so logically and as a freshman and college focusing on research, I want to be able to speak as clearly and concisely as you. I hope this isn’t a weird comment lol? Also I have the same blanket :-)
Oh my god where do I get the blanket
I watch way too much TH-cam and yours is among a small group of channels that actually educate me. Thanks for what you do.
"Who makes an 1h response video, how obnoxious is that?"
*Sweats in contrapoints*
I think there's a difference when your 1h response is to educate vs when it's to scream "I'M NOT SORRY" during the entirety of the video
@@SalimDoodles oh I definitely agree. I think her latest video isnt the same as Nick's video. I had just recently watched her video before seeing this one and thought it was a funny coincidence. Definitely not meant to shade Contrapoints.
@@ddre71194 you're right, thought it seems so many youtubers are making feature length videos as of lately 🤣 sorry if I came out as rude
@@SalimDoodles nah, you're fine! I realize tone is hard to tell online.
ddre71194 contrapoints is special nick is.. I-
THANK YOU FOR READY TO GLARE!!!
She's awesome, I simply can't stop watching her videos
This is totally unrelated - but you remind me of busy philipps when she was in white chicks haha
Omg you’re so right
100%
Wait I see it now and I really can't unsee it
All your videos are so compelling and comprehensive! I really appreciate such a well detailed view on a range of topics. It really makes me think!
Drama is such an easy thing to get lost in just like tv for example it’s a way to escape from your life escape from your personal drama also it’s sometimes comforting to see people you idolise not look perfect ya know I think that’s why drama is so popular
i have no idea why you aren’t huge yet because your content is
amazing and way better than many “bigger” channels.
Being in a burrito blanket is such a mood
as a pre-media studies major (probably switching to journalism) i love this series so much. also those ethics of journalism are 100% the kind of thing you see in journalism classes, very important and most drama channels do not follow those guidelines lol
I think the Dobre Bros challenged Cody Ko to a fight because they felt like he was bullying them or smth lol
The new Contrapoints video is SO good! Thanks for mentioning it!
My favorite youtube drama was when Jenna and Julien got Bunny
you are so smart but polite, respectful but assertive, just found your channel today and already addicted
Hi, I'm a Masters of Journalism student and those core principles are 100% CORRECT. These drama and commentary channels aren't journalists / news media nor do they want to be lol. If they abide by the same unspoken "laws" as journalists, these channels would be sued for libel left and right by the people they report drama on. Journalists are public servants and we're committed to reporting the truth/exposing the truth. It may hurt a few people, but it does more good than hurt. They could hurt a few people, but help many more. Drama and commentary channels aren't here to tell the truth, they tell drama no matter how many more people they hurt than do good for. Also, the sources of these channels are "questionable" at times, and if you wanna be a journalist, your sources can't be "questionable"
I have just used your link from the last video to sign up for Blinkist and already addicted to it. What a fabulous resource. I appreciate that my ability to afford it is a privilege but I do hope that one day these caches of knowledge will be able to be publicly owned like local libraries. Thanks for the discount
the fun of the Thats Cringe series is that they make fun of people who take themselves too seriously
i absolutely love the little niche you have found on youtube, these kinds of videos are so interesting, i get so excited when you upload!
This is a really interesting subject, and you presented the topic well! As someone who knows a fair bit about journalism (mostly from the side of a writer, but the overall rules of journalism still apply no matter how the content is presented), I don’t think reaction/drama channels are necessarily too similar to journalists, and that’s okay. Journalism relies heavily on research and accuracy, not speculation. While drama channels and commentary channels do report on situations, drama channels react quickly without always knowing the context, and opinions are central in videos. Commentary channels tend to give an overview rather than a play-by-play and send a central message to viewers, which involves the commentator’s opinion. I think there’s a place for both drama channels and commentary channels, but it’s important for creators to explain what is opinion vs fact. Viewers need to be aware of this, too, and be critical when consuming media.
My bad about the essay, I just find this whole topic interesting. :) Great video as always!
yesss great points, thank you!
absolutely love your videos & this internet analysis series 💞 YOU are thriving, my dear. love you & your content so much!
As someone who is in a journalism class, the code of ethics is key to journalism and drama channels (for the most part) don’t follow those rules
This is one of the most sensible videos on YT drama I have seen in a while. And glad to know I'm not the only one who gets bored when multiple channels cover the same drama and it gets kinda repetitive. I get they want to cover the latest but as a viewer it gets annoying.
I've got my coffee & snacks I am so ready for this
Tiffany,
Just wanted to say I really enjoy your content. I like the topics you pick, how you present them to the audience, their relevance and variety. I am really glad youtube suggested your channel to me.
Also, as I am on the older side of the Millennials group, watching your videos at least keeps me in the loop with these modern things (like what the hell is TikTok). A few days after I've seen your Internet analysis about Visco girls, going to work I overheard two high school girls referring to another girl as a Visco girl. I felt totally smug just knowing what that meant. :D
RANT ABOUT CANCEL CULTURE
Honestly, we as an online audience, as the 'viewers' or 'fans' have become so obsessed with cancelling. Cancel culture started off as calling out people for serious issues, for example Harvey Weinstein and the #metoo movement. (This is quite a recent example i'm sure there are older ones). This 'calling out' as such initially seemed to bring people like Weinstein to justice, which seems like a good thing, right? But this has evolved so much that we have started to call people out for minuscule things, like grammar mistakes, or even deviating from what people have said and trying to cancel them based on our own assumptions, which are often wrong. It seems that our society almost finds joy in picking at others mistakes, and that we gain a hero complex when we call someone out. When we do it, we are basically saying "ha! You made this mistake and you are wrong and I am right" , we take small mistakes and over exaggerate them until our accusations are so loosely based on the cancel 'victims' actions it's almost stupid to try and call them out. We've forgotten why cancel culture started, and are rather using it to fuel our own egos as we continually seek to drag people through the dirt for the smallest of mistakes.
Sorry for this messy rant lol x
I think in particular the dramagedon (involving Jeffree star, Manny MUA, and Laura Lee if you remember that)
Was the first time people realized that it was funny and entertaining to watch huge creators fall from grace, be humiliated, and make fools of themselves. The youtube crowds morbidly enjoyed these people's suffering and humiliation, much like bullies.
EXCEPT, they weren't picking on tiny helpless nerds, they were picking on the popular people. Except it wasn't 'bullying' it was retribution for their mistakes.
I think this is a major reason that TH-cam crowds won't except any apology they will always claim its insincere because it is more fun to shit ok someone and laugh at them, then fix the problems and move on.
I do think these aggressive gossipers are jealous. They want to be the queen bee so bad they are just waiting for the currently popular youtubers to make mistakes so that they can rally everyone onto their side and profit off of this person misstep. While continuing to kick then down.
It so cowardly, they don't show their face, they hid behind the crowd that they influence, and an alias. And then isolate and group torment a single person, sometimes to the tune of millions of people.
And the crowd that is clearly bullying in groups (bullies mostly move in crowds because they are actually cowards that only care about preserving themselves) feels like they are 'holding them accountable' or in other it fair or its retribution they deserve it, "it's totally fine that I totally lack integrity in my actions and am overtly cruel" the cancel people say to themselves.
The weirdest part to me, that is seems like everyone in the cancel culture/tea/gossip/mob/which hunt/punisher camp is whatever they accuse the person they are "holding accountable" they do they same thing or worse, or the very worst is they are seriously projecting.
It puts people in a pressure cooker, their every action interpreted as inherently evil and blown up to colossal propostion and yet another reason to send endless hate to them. It is just people watching their every move waiting for a mistake to milk. And then the tea channels play the victim, then the person reacts. Why is she angry? Cause you are mentally abusing her!!!
Man this whole thing is sick. The tea, gossip, tabloid, cowards are disgusting bullies, manipulative humans, with a victim and self righteous holier than thou complex.
The people getting attacked rarely do anything so wrong that they deserve the mental abuse that they receive.
The dynamic of your videos are so funny, with you piping in occasionally it’s like you’re reacting to your own video alongside the audience lol.
I was binging your videos and sending them to all my friends and you uploaded right then WOOHOOOOOOO✨✨✨
AWW thank you!
shoutout to all my media studies majors! i'm a digital communication major and we cover media literacy and analyze audiences too! i switched from journalism to digital communications. i can confirm that those journalism principles more or less are the same across the board. it depends on the organization. journalistic companies (newspapers, tv stations, journalism associations and even from other countries) have different standards for their group. they word it differently. it is the same thing. 1. honesty, 2. transparency, 3. accuracy, 4. neutral PoV 5. clarity are the most prevalent in the world of journalism. drama channels that claim they're journalists and are familiar with the practice will not survive.
I’m glad I found your channel! You’re doing great work, and I’m looking forward to learning a lot. Very interesting and informing videos. You deliver the learning with a fun and smart personality. Keep up the good work, and I wish you the best in your career moving forward! :)
Aww this is so sweet, thank you!
Please keep these videos up I really think this is what TH-cam really needs right now.
One of the things that an activist friend said about cancelling that really stuck with me is that cancelling is a culturally capitalistic thing to do. And sometimes that's necessary, sometimes you need to cut off the people in your life for your own health and safety. But when you cancel someone, you're throwing them away. You're putting them out of sight, out of mind, and there's no room for community accountability or growth there. On one hand, you need to provide people the space for growth. On the other hand, you need to consider the impact it has on the victim as well as the potential risks to other vulnerable members of the group.
Anyways, I think what I really like about your commentary videos is that they tend to involve largely meta commentary on phenomena (on political, philosophical, and sociological levels) rather than the direct issue e.g. like this video, looking at "spilling tea" as opposed to a specific incident, or your video on sustainability as a broad movement and it's issues.
I’m in my senior year of my journalism degree, I’m the editor in chief of my uni’s paper and am currently working for a local paper (I know I’m a month late, sorry). It drives me crazy when drama channels try to sell themselves as journalists (looking at you keemstar). Those principles that you described are essential to the basis of journalism. Also, with journalism, there’s an intense editing process. Multiple people read your story, give you feed back, ask the essential question of “is this a provable fact or is this speculation”. Journalists also have an obligation to reach out to the accused and if you don’t you could get sued for libel! Throwing an “allegedly” onto the end of a controversial sentence just isn’t up to snuff. Drama channels need to be more comfortable in what they are and stop trying to use to connotations that go with journalism to try to make themselves seem more than what they are. It’s entertainment, not journalism, and that’s okay (for the most part)! Anyway, Tiffany I love your internet analysis series. Keep up the good work.
Hi tiffany! Please do an internet analysis on mukbang culture and how it somehow encourages binge eating and eating disorder. I find it really extreme and disturbing sometimes.
Thanks so much for dropping the glam and just being natural and not doing performative beauty. Love your channel and the topics you cover! I so wish everyone would pull back from all the drama and spectacle performance that preys on people's emotions for profit.
17:21 Tiffany gave youtubers the uncle Ben speech and ya know what, she's right!
HAHAHA had to do it
You had me hooked when you called me dude and said you're a wrapped burrito. Relatable girl🌻