It's a versatile cartridge. You can hunt with it, you can shoot distance with it, you can shoot good groups with it and it has less recoil. It does a few things pretty well.
@@jwdundon Do you mean Carcano? The 6.5 Carcano is a short range rifle round and the 6.5 Creedmoor is a long range competition and hunting round for med size game. They are about the same size but the application is very different.
Being likened to Bob Ross was definitely a compliment. The man spent 20 years in the USAF and had a painting show in which he expressed a level of calm mastery that had to have been developed through long years of intentional practice.
I still prefer the 260REM because it has a higher case capacity and you can still seat high BC bullets like the Sierra 6.5 150gr HPBTMK. Works just fine in my ARMALITE AR10T with a 1/7 twist. Plus the other advantage is that it's easy to form 260 REM cases out of 308, 708, 243 cases if 260 brass becomes scarce, and you typically don't even have to trim for case hight.
And you can make 358 win brass of it if nothinnothing else.. 😉 Currently 308 and 358 are the only 308 family calibers I got but 260 must be a sweat one! I love both 308 and 30-06 in that they are versatile for making other calibers. I load for 270, 30-06, 35 Whelen and 308 and 358 Win
Because haters can’t accept that it’s one of the best/most influential cartridges of the 21st century. And fanboys can’t accept that it’s not the best cartridge for every situation
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You sound like my father in law, one rifle to kill deer, and single shot shotgun for squirrel. Shoots core-lokts at deer and win super x’s at squirrel. Try to talk to him about some of my reloads and ideas and such and all I get is “all ya need is a 300 mag and a box of core lokts and you’re good for 20 years”
Seems like everyone has forgotten the greatest cartridge of all. The 30-06. Bullets available from 110 gr - 220 gr. Tolerable recoil, ammunition availability, a plethora of rifle styles for any budget. I wouldn't feel under gunned in any hunting situation with this caliber.
I disagree on the rifle styles part. The vast majority of new 06’s are cheap Tupperware junk. The only chassis gun in 06 is still a savage axis. I’m working on building my own precision oriented 30-06.
I agree. The 30-06 has done it all. Why would it not be able to do it anymore ? Maybe generation Z, X or whatever is just too wimpy to handle it. It doesn't seem like there are many real men anymore.............
I Would say the same about a 300 win mag. Affordable, Massive diversity of rounds available. But you’re not wrong, at the end of the day it’s a classic American cartridge and not the newest fad
@@chadperry4021 Agreed. I was harkening back to the 60's - 80's when we had the BAR sporting, Remington 760 pump 742 auto. All guns made of steel. Along with my favorite choice....the bolt gun.
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While I respect Ron for his knowledge, his podcast targets the newbie with ad nauseam speculation. Listening to talk about the adequacy of the 6.5CM or 243Win for elk is less entertaining than watching demonstrations of shooting through pork butts into ballistic gelatin.
@@dankcincy the best example of why the new this and that. My buddy just bought a Gunwerks, yes Gunwerks, 6.5 prc for a steal at 3500 bucks (WTF) He has a tack driving Blaser in 308 that he bought when they were kinda reasonable. Besides a custom 6.5x55 on a Savage 110. We hunt on a 12 acre plot in basically a growing spread out suburbia ..................................................................just saying. Closest house ; 150 yards. YUP
@@ed5042 I think there's a bit more to it than that. The modern cartridges are improvements, be them small improvements or not is up for debate. The TH-camrs sure are taking advantage of all the controversy that surrounds them.
A fellow on a long range hunting forum measured the volume of a 260 AI case and a 277 Fury one necked down to .264". The Fury has a slightly wider shoulder than the AI case, but its shoulder taper is 30° instead of 40°. Those two things compensate for each other so that the two cases end up having almost the same volume. If the 277 Fury catches on and brass becomes available, it will be interesting to see if many people start using wildcats based on it which need just a neck down rather than go through the process of of fireforming the AI wildcats.
To the Scotland question there are excellent European mult-caliber straight pull & bolt actions built for the one rifle problem. Just remember to order a model with a threaded muzzle for a suppressor. As it can be required & is generally considered polite to others.
In regards to the listener with the Savage Axis not chambering the winchester load. I got my son the same rifle, and it will only chamber hornady ammo consistently. we started with Nosler loads and only had about 25% chamber correctly, we believe the savage rifles headspace is just on the tighter side of tolerances, and the factory ammo is just too inconsistent across different Manufacturers.
Another good job Ron! So many choices today and few of them are bad choices. If I were having to choose a 22 centerfire it would be hands down the 22-250. Not many things it won't do. The 270 Winchester is also mighty hard to beat and your not under gunned on anything except large bears. But if it is elk only hunt I grabbing my 300 win and my 338 win for backup. Elk and deer then I got to flip a coin. 300 Win and either my McWhorter 6.5 WHBY, a 7MM Win Mag or my 7MM PRC or maybe my 284 Win? When it comes to elk I am not taking either of my 6.5 Creedmores. Will it kill an elk sure if hit in the right spot with the right bullet. I can kill an elk with a 22 LR if I get close enough or certainly my 22Hornet. I have taken elk with a bow. I have taken one bull with my Camp Rifle ( Remmington Model 7 stainless synthetic in 7mm-08) with 120 grain Barnes TSX. The bull never knew what hit him. He took 2 steps and fell over. I but a good bullet in the right spot @ 150 yards. I shoot all cooper now in Barnes, Hornaday, Berger, or Hammer unless I might choose a Nosler Portion. I still shoot the Nosler in 243 because it has never failed me ever on a a moose. I wasn't my best choice but it what I happened to be carrying at the moment. All said and done my favorite on the larger game is the 300 Winchester. I love it's stopping power. All my shots on all game have been one shot kills. I don't worry about recoil because I haven't had to fire it much.
If Adam from Missouri (the second question) is reading these comments, I am also from Missouri and I may be interested in buying one of your rifles off you!
@@samuelphillian1286 ammo selection I’d bet. I did the same thing, I liked the 6.5 as a deer cartridge, but there was multiple reasons I sold, I didn’t like the rifle itself, but the main reason I didn’t buy a better rifle in the same cartridge is cause I was struggling to find basic ammo. I’ve also hunted with 270 since I was 8 so it was partly familiarity as well. And I think a model 70 should be chambered in a Winchester cartridge. 😂
.308 Winchester with a 130gr TTSX has low recoil and even in a shorter barrel decent velocities and excellent penetration. Edit: Beautiful Setter Ron. My favorite bird dog breed.
I bought one because everyone was putting shit on the cartridge and I thought if it’s giving so many people but hurt it must be good , then I bought another because a Winchester mod 70 came up but it was 6.5cm and I thought what the hell , the other is a ruger go wild ‘ I don’t have a 308 or 243 or 270 or 30.06 but I think I’ve got them covered with the 6.5cm
So in other words... Robert turned his 6.5 creedmoor into a 6.5 PRC that he now cannot get ammo for unless he fire forms it. The 6.5 PRC runs 100 to 150 fps faster than the CM. Personally, if I were going to do that, I would have just had it chambered to 6.5 PRC.
Have the issues with headspace and chambering as described by the competent gunsmith Randy Selby ever been addressed and correct with the 6.5 CM rifles and the inconsistencies in the lengths of brass, Ron?
Due to the non existent large rifle primer availability I've been shooting 6.5 Creedmoor because its the largest chambering I was able to get Lapua brass with small primer pockets. The small primers at least you can find still. 3000 FPS from hand loaded 130 grain CX with a load of superformance powder is getting up to 6.5 PRC territory anyways.
Absolutely LAUGHABLE! The guy from Alaska wrote, ETHICAL RANGE, up to 500 yds. With a .308 or 6.5 Creedmoor. First off, I used to work at a rifle range. 75% of the shooters could not shoot a 3" group at 100 yds from a benchrest type situation, let alone shoot at and make a good hit on a deer at 400-500 yards. Absolutely STUPID! I personally would not choose either cartridge if I knew I had a possibility at a big game animal at 400 yards. Like Elmer Keith used to write---- ARMCHAIR THEORY IS GREAT UNTIL YOU GET OUT IN THE FIELD AND MEET REALITY!
Routinely shoot out past 1k yards with a 6.5 creed and have taken animals past 400 with it and it retains 1500 fpe at 400. So yes, if you know how to run a rifle there is no issue with ethical shots at that range. But most people don't shoot over 100 yards and understand dialing dope or anything about ballistics to make ethical shots over 200.
Hey Ron, Gary from Alaska here, thanks for reading my question! I actually messaged you and Joseph Von Benedict... He says 308 and you leaned to 6.5 Creed. Well, I went with the 308 in a Steyr Scout! Gonna try it on spring bear with Fed terminal ascent and see what happens. Thank you sir! Looks like Joseph wins this round...
Thanks for this one, Ron - I always enjoy your shows and eagerly look forward to the next one. Quick elk and moose question vis-a-vis .30-06 Springfield: I've selected the Federal Premium Berger Hybrid Hunter (168-grain) cartridge as my main cartridge for mule deer, whitetail, and hopefully some day, elk and moose. It shoots sub-MOA for me and I've used that cartridge as the choice for my Leupold CDS custom elevation turret for that rifle scope). Last Fall was my first-ever deer (and grouse) hunting season, with my young adult son, but we weren't lucky enough to even spot a deer, let alone take a shot. I shot competitive target rifle extensively (to the Canadian national championship level) as a youth, so am not a new shooter, but of course, hunting and offhand shooting is whole different game entirely. Do you think that 168-grain cartridge in .30-06 is adequate for elk and moose? The muzzle velocity with my 24" barrel should be reasonably close to the stated 2800 fps on the box if that helps. Thanks so much!
Always enjoy your content Ron. Still shooting my 218 bee, 25-35, 38-55 and 30-06 when needed but maybe I can be brought into the modern era if I stay tuned… but I doubt it as having too much fun as is. Keep up the great work.
An old friend has hunted deer and hogs with a 25-20 lever action Marlin for many years. The rifle has a 4x scope and he keeps his shots under 100 yards. It is legal in Florida. He has never lost a head of game.
What this vid should be called is why are people hating on the 6.5 creedmore. It’s a nice light recoiling accurate, long range co- efficient Cartridge. Not trying to say it better than anything else, but I love mine, and I’m not the only one so stop the childish egotistical hatred of it and get on with it.
People that complain about the 6.5 creed are the ones that don't understand ballistics and more than likely have never shot past 500 yards in their life. If they did they would see where it really has an advantage over many and why its popular in the long range shooting world.
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Just started the episode. Thank you for this topic. I just got my first rifle, and after about a months worth of research, I settled on a Tikka T3X in 6.5CM. Couldn't be happier with my choice at this point. 😊
@wallacerose7499 I've only taken it out once so far, but honestly the stock while it's a plastic stock, it feels pretty high quality and doesn't weigh much. One of the reasons i picked 6.5CM was because of the low recoil. I'm new to the firearms world and I'm only 4'10". I wanted something i could feel confident shooting and so far, this rifle has not done me wrong.
I just Love listening to Ron at specially when he mentions his wife. At first I thought this Man just knows to much. But after I seen Ron shoot and handle a gun, I was sold. Thanks Ron, can we see more of Mrs.Ron on the show? Can we see her shoot? . Thanks Mrs. Ron.
While more sound decibels are a trade off, a good muzzle brake will certainly mitigate some of the recoil on those slightly heavier recoil rifles. Especially when considering a lady shooter. Or go all out and go suppressor, best of both worlds.
I have 3 different 6.5 caliber rifles. 260 Rem for hunting, my favorite. 6.5 Creedmoor because ammo is easy to find, and 6.5-284 Norma because that one can be reloaded quite a bit hotter than the other two.
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Newbie-is a creedmoor overkill for whitetail at less than 100 yards? That was the very first arm I bought last year and after using it....I feel like I went overboard
The only reason to choose 6.5 Grendel is to run in an AR15 rifle. For a short action rifles the 6.5 CM is fine and the 6.5 PRC takes it to the next level. When stepping up to the standard length action you might as well take full advantage and go 7mm Rem or 7 PRC. The Swede makes sense chambered in a traditional rifle with a Manlicher styled stock for nostalgic reasons.
Ron your show has become a love/hate watch for me. I love how much I get out of your show and love how diverse and applicable your take is. However, I hate how much money I spend putting your ideas and experiences to task. After listening to this episode I already found myself on the phone with my gunsmith and will be dropping off two very nice rifles chambered in 6.5CM and having them transformed into two very nice 260AI rifles. I can’t wait to tell my wife that it’s your fault and I was powerless in this decision. Keep it up and I’ll have to come out of retirement. Can’t wait to find out what the next thing I can’t live without is. Best, John from North Texas
I think some people get caught up in the size of elk too much. Not all elk are big Roosevelt sized elk. The ones we have taken on our southern Colorado public land hunts weren't weighed, cause we field dressed them, but I figure they have been around 500lbs. The width of there bodies couldn't have been much more than 24" wide. We have used a 280 rem and a 7mm rem mag. The shots haven't ever exceeded 100 yards, and I have felt like a smaller cartridge could have easily done the jobs.
I have a 708 Thompson center venture which I posted on here before we build it. New scope and stuff and just went to the Barnes expo at 140 grain ttsx and I believe I took three deer with that so far this year all head/ neck shots!
seriously the western has received such poor support from rifle reloading and actual ammunition industry, the PRC much better seriously. the Creedmoor has a lot going for it but the PRC has that extra edge in many ways without getting into recoil issues and comfortability for most. do you need bigger really as far as what animals hunted?
I think it is about averages, i.e., What works for most people. The first gun 22LR (practice shooting fundamentals), hunting gun 6.5 CM and after you itch for a better hunting gun a 300 WM or 375 H&H. Pick a suitable bullet for your hunt and don't sweat what other people fancy. I never had any trouble with long barrel or heavy gun. Bullet placement is the key for a good time. My favorite cartridge, 264 WM, by the way. Thanks Ron for your pleasant and informatic work. Cheers!
it still amuses me that for the average 22 inch barrel, average factory ammo of 140, equals maybe 50 fps more than the swede; 2600 ish fps. 123 grendel about 2450. Nothing to ignore. I love my 6.5x55 but, would love to get my hands on a Ruger predator in 6.5 grendel due to the effectiveness of the bullet, SD, BC and reasonable velocity.
@@gsnicholas8522 funny you mention that. Did some reloads with 140's. My buddy brought out his chronograph. Norma brass. To be honest I goofed loading the cases while using the 3.1 lee scoop. Never used them before, always used a scale. Scooped the powder, here comes the reveal, THEN I TAPPED THE SCOOP assuming this was the way to do it and added powder accordingly to level the load in the scoop. Yes I know, WOW THAT WAS STUPID. I honestly did not know. Range time with my sporterized Carl Gustav 23 inch military stepped barrel. 2850 mv with less than 20 fps variance in velocities for 5 rounds. No cratering, no pressure signs, 3.10 oacl. Five round group at 100 off home made sandbags, old 6x fine crosshair steel weaver scope. 1.25 inches. I have Not done that load again though. I use Seller Bellot routinely and I get about 2650 from my 23 inch barrel. My really accurate factory ammo is the PPU 139 sp. Better scope now but same military trigger etc. No glass bedding etc, just a drop in european walnut stock someone gifted me. I have guys at the range ( I only offer the rifle to shoot to guys I have seen shoot well) that keep 3-5 rounds inside 15/16 inches at............. 200 yards! So far 5 guys have shot this besides me. It is WILD.
@@gsnicholas8522 I have other holy moly cartridges but the Swede just does it all so well. I am just a coyote deer hunter. Have not shot a deer further than 150 yards.
@@ed5042 your results don’t surprise me at all. I use case head expansion to check for pressure, and I easily get 2900 with 140 grain bullets. This is with a 22 inch barrel in a tikka.
The 6.5 Jap is a tiny bit narrower at the head, has more taper, is a tiny bit longer, and has almost twice the shoulder slope. (18.5 degrees vs. 30-degrees.) I know of no U.S. sporting rifles ever chambered for it. Top velocities will be 150 to 200 fps slower than Creedmoor.
It’s the latest NBT, new big thing! Physical laws work the same, all around the earth. Any other cartridge close in diameter can have its bullet weight and projectile charge modified to perform the same way. A 30.06 sabot round could do even better because of the additional bearing surface inside the barrel! A concrete nail could be “supersonic armor piercing” if a company with the R&D spent the time fitting a sabot/shoe seal around it, but a 4-6,000fps AP bullet won’t sell new guns like a more conventional 7.62 necked down to 6.5mm will. In a few years bullet builders shall “discover” that 1.12mm thinner projectile will travel even FURTHER with more powder or more powerful powder pushing it!
The more you neck down a parent case the more efficiency and energy you lose with all else being equal. At some point you're so longer gaining BC at a given velocity. A good example is 7mm-08 vs .243 Win, with the optimal bullets for a given range the 7mm-08 can be flatter shooting at any meaningful distance.
Alright! Converting the 6.5 CM to 260 Rem is a great idea. I've long said that the 260 is a better cartridge, but that Remington made the same mistake with it that they did with the 244 - i.e. not a fast enough twist to handle the long bullets well. Consequently the 243 Winchester had the high ground before Remington switched twist rates and called it the 6mm. Same thing with the 260 - i.e. not a fast enough twist and the Creedmoor took the high ground. Conversion of the Creedmoor rifle is an easy conversion (wish I'd thought of it), and you get to keep the fast twist and all the benefits of that fast twist. The only issue I see is ammo availability, and the nice thing about the 260 is that it's a simple necking down from 308 (with appropriate checks for neck thickness).
@@jerrymartin5100 - "Long and skinny" need more than 1:10 for best results. 120, 130, 140? Sure. No issues from me. 150, 160, 170? DEFINITELY need faster in order to ensure dime sized groups. And the 6.5 caliber is proven capable with enough bullet weight (i.e. up to 170). The 260 Remington is maxed at 145. Can the 6.5 caliber do better? ABSOLUTELY. The 6.5x55 Swede has shown us all that bullet weight is the more important aspect than caliber (something difficult for me to accept). When the twist is "fast enough" to ensure stabilization of "long and skinny" then you have achieved "ideal". The 260 Remington is GREAT through 150 grains, BUT that's it's limit. The 6.5 CALIBER is capable through and including 170 grains. How to mate the 260 Remington with the 6.5 caliber potential? Think 'fast twist'.
@@kirkboswell2575 very funny rhat 1:10 twist in 30-06 is considered fine for 110 to 220 grain projectiles, but not other calibers, think Weatherby, all 1:10 twist.
@jerrymartin5100 - Actually, not funny at all - serious comment. Yes, the 30-06 is capable of up to 220 grains with its standard 1:10 twist. However, "capable" DOESN'T mean 'best'. I've shot 220 through a 30-06, and it does what it was intended to do. There is no question about that part. But there are dozens of other considerations to be considered. "Dime sized groups" is just one. 220 grain bullets typically don't meet that standard. No, they don't keyhole, but neither do they provide max accuracy. When discussing the 6.5's, maximum accuracy is ALWAYS a prime factor. And, in order to achieve that goal, faster than 1:10 is a given.
Why are you skipping around the 30 06 ? With the large number of great loads you can’t beat it. Have 22 , 22 mag 223, 243, 30 30 , 308, 30 06, 3O0 win mag, 165 grain boat tail in the 39 06 and 300 win mag will do everything you need that walks, flies or swims! For reaching out small game the 30 06 17 cal accelerator will do the trick. Oh forgot my mini 14 and 30 carbine and 22. I have take Mike deer and elk with the 30 06 in excess of 500 yards and bull elk in excess of 800 yards, I have thought about the 6,5 creed more but I have it covered. I make pick up a 338 Lapua and 270 for collection purposes. Maybe a 50 cal for the one mile ! Lol
30-06 good long action, M1, .308 is comparable short action (M-14 & AR-10). 25-06 / 30-06 is higher velocity, flatter trajectory, 6.5 credmore/.308 is inproved velocity & trajectory.
Love/hate 25-06… for what I want out of 25-06 most short action cartridges will do. It also needs a fairly long barrel to come to life. Something undeniably cool about the 25-06 though despite its performance.
@@Westerner_ yea it’s cool to be the 25-06 guy haha, I’m a 270 nut and guy I work with swears on the 25-06, we go back and forth on it 😂 but then somebody will mention their use of a 300 mag and the conversation kinda dies off
@@FrankDemasiIV when I lived in Nevada that’s what everyone shot because you’re usually only hunting deer, antelope, the occasional cow elk and coyotes. It fills that roll beautifully
Again, I would like to thank your for all of your sound advice! I have 2 6.5 Creedmoors. They are fun to shoot. But are they that much better than x, y, or z? Not. Well not from my experience. They actually recoil more than a 243 win and a little more than the 6mm Rem. Are they really more effective in shooting situations than either of those cartridges' or the 260 or 7mm-08 Rem and take a backseat to the 270Win. It seems like this cartridge has been set up as one to hate. When the Ruger American Rifle came out and then the introduction of the 6.5 Creedmoor I called Ruger to chamber the round in the American Rifle. I was kind of laughed at and was told that the round wasn't proven. Well, I have been laughed at before and will be again. You know, I still don't believe in hydrostatic shock in cartridges ( but know about h2o hammer) and no high velocity cartridge is a "Brushbuster". Knives of Alaska is a quality product, but you always back the best!
The 6.5 CM isn’t fading away anytime soon, just like everyone said the 300 blkout would fade away yet it’s just as popular if not more than ever , they said the 6.5 Grendel would fade and again it’s still hanging around even in spite of the 6mm ARC ….. and that’s another I’ve heard will die out like the 224 Valkyrie , yet it’s actually gaining more ground
I remember the WSM and SAUM craze in 2004. Working at a gun shop at the time. It lasted until about 2006. 6.5 CM Seems to be getting more and more popular everyday. The amount of firearms chambered in it is vast. You can get a freaking m1a in 6.5CM. I go to a store called BMC Tactical in NM. There is little to no hunting merchandise as you might tell by the name. But even they have at least 7 loads for the round on the shelf. I dont think its going anywhere.
BASED UPON THE COMMENTS; which I see ALL the time when Any youtuber speaks of the 6.5 Creedmoor. Imagine if someone were to absolutely focus on the 6.5x55 cartridge, suggested reload data etc, and all the rifles available, then range results of chrono, gel, and accuracy. IMAGINE THE AMOUNT OF COMMENT TRAFFIC IT WOULD GENERATE!!!!!!!!!!!! My google moniker is 'swedeshooter'! LOL. Can call it "THE SWEDE" ETC., Ok guys, lets see what channel names we can come up with!!!!!
of course I am very much aware of the 270 280 243 etc etc, I of course have those too! lol. For me, the Swede just does everything I need a rifle /cartridge to do!
@@gsnicholas8522 OHHH YOU ARE NOT KIDDING! LOL! Been shooting the swede since 87! A gunwriter named Clay Harvey introduced me to the cartridge back then.
Paul in the First question. GET THE .375. It is WAAAAAAY more versatile than you would think. For short range on white tails, you load it with a Huge heavy bullet. It will knock em down very nicely, and cause very little meat damage. Then for long range (200-250 meter shots) you just load nice lighter bullets. You don't "need" a new gun, So get something thats going to be lots of fun to hunt with.
It's a versatile cartridge. You can hunt with it, you can shoot distance with it, you can shoot good groups with it and it has less recoil. It does a few things pretty well.
The 6.5 Creed drops deer just fine for me and thats all i need from it. For elk or moose ill take my 300 Win. Sad to see the drama over a bullet.
The 6.5 is the same as the carbino.... You know the MAGIC bullet that killed Kennedy.... So no wonder it's the win all. Lol.
@@jwdundon Do you mean Carcano? The 6.5 Carcano is a short range rifle round and the 6.5 Creedmoor is a long range competition and hunting round for med size game. They are about the same size but the application is very different.
The same people get a hard on over 9mm while trying to get the 10mm to marry them but cry the .40 is too much so it’s obsolete.
I would stick with the 270 win. 🤠
Absolutely- 400 yards and in .270 Winchester shoots flatter, moves faster, and delivers more energy on target.
The advent of heavier bullets and faster twist barrels makes 270 caliber in general much more useful, and more versatile.
Being likened to Bob Ross was definitely a compliment. The man spent 20 years in the USAF and had a painting show in which he expressed a level of calm mastery that had to have been developed through long years of intentional practice.
I have all 3 the 308win 6.5cm and 7mm08 and they all work on elk
Some haters wont agree without even trying it
Why not pick one and stick with it?
Not hating, curious.
I still prefer the 260REM because it has a higher case capacity and you can still seat high BC bullets like the Sierra 6.5 150gr HPBTMK. Works just fine in my ARMALITE AR10T with a 1/7 twist. Plus the other advantage is that it's easy to form 260 REM cases out of 308, 708, 243 cases if 260 brass becomes scarce, and you typically don't even have to trim for case hight.
am glad someone still has the 260!
im with ya brother!! sooooooo sic of the cm bs
I agree on .260 Rem. Shot my first match with a .260
And you can make 358 win brass of it if nothinnothing else.. 😉
Currently 308 and 358 are the only 308 family calibers I got but 260 must be a sweat one! I love both 308 and 30-06 in that they are versatile for making other calibers. I load for 270, 30-06, 35 Whelen and 308 and 358 Win
@@Finnbearl61r Sweet! But don't forget the 338 federal! 😁
143 grain eldx 6.5 creed puts chew can size holes in the neck of an elk.
Because haters can’t accept that it’s one of the best/most influential cartridges of the 21st century. And fanboys can’t accept that it’s not the best cartridge for every situation
Well said 👍🏻
It does from Moose to prairie dogs no problem What else does one need? 🙂
@@thegrantdanielsband a 338 Win Mag does everything from moose to prairie dog no problem. What else does one need?
@@masone4589one needs a lighter recoil and less powder per cartridge to make reloading cheaper
@@awesomednCan a creedmoor kill a moose? Yeah but is it ideal? Of course not
6.5 creed is like a turbo 6 cylinder. Everyone loves to hate it, but deep down they know the performance and efficiency is better than the old V8.
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Long live the 308Win lol
Why all of the confusion….if u have a .22….a 30.06….and 12 gauge….you are good.
Right on, Big Thumbs on That
You sound like my father in law, one rifle to kill deer, and single shot shotgun for squirrel. Shoots core-lokts at deer and win super x’s at squirrel. Try to talk to him about some of my reloads and ideas and such and all I get is “all ya need is a 300 mag and a box of core lokts and you’re good for 20 years”
@@FrankDemasiIV smart man
Is 6.5 creedmoor going away??? Most of Ron's answers were.....6.5 Creedmoor. :)
nice work ron. always on point. thanks for keeping on...epic call on the .223 rem!
6.5 x 55 sweed and 6.5 credmore great rounds. 6.5 prc 😂😂😂
Always wondered why 7-08 not more popular
I don’t care if it’s a controversial opinion, but 6.5 Creedmore IS capable of shooting a piece of lead out of a barrel.
Even shoots out some copper on occasion, it’s bizarre
@@jaydunbar7538 woah, woah, let’s not get too technical here. I’ve sniffed too much Hoppes #9 to get into this nuanced jargon.
To that guy wanting to replace the Remington core locks. Try the Hornady SST. It is devastating on whitetails and coyotes. Sometimes too much!
556 and 308 will not go away in any of our lifetimes
I just happened to take my 6.5CM to the range today. It just shoots so well
How does the bullet perform? NOT GREAT.
@@jwdundon It is 6.5mm, not 6.5cm.
I bought one because I can find ammo and shoot long range with it and so far the biggest game I hunt is whitetail it does all those just fine
Seems like everyone has forgotten the greatest cartridge of all. The 30-06. Bullets available from 110 gr - 220 gr. Tolerable recoil, ammunition availability, a plethora of rifle styles for any budget. I wouldn't feel under gunned in any hunting situation with this caliber.
I disagree on the rifle styles part. The vast majority of new 06’s are cheap Tupperware junk. The only chassis gun in 06 is still a savage axis. I’m working on building my own precision oriented 30-06.
I agree. The 30-06 has done it all. Why would it not be able to do it anymore ? Maybe generation Z, X or whatever is just too wimpy to handle it. It doesn't seem like there are many real men anymore.............
I Would say the same about a 300 win mag. Affordable, Massive diversity of rounds available. But you’re not wrong, at the end of the day it’s a classic American cartridge and not the newest fad
@@chadperry4021 Agreed. I was harkening back to the 60's - 80's when we had the BAR sporting, Remington 760 pump 742 auto. All guns made of steel. Along with my favorite choice....the bolt gun.
@@chadperry4021 Then one has to buy old style 06, no? Not necessarily old production.
You can't SELL the 30-06 OR 308 MORE.... hell, even the 25-06 smokes your 6.5 .....
Dont forget the old 300 savage, makes a good hunting rifle with a short bullet, and the old savage 99 is a fabulous rifle
Guessing before watching all of the podcast... the secret to make $1M being an outdoor writer is, start with $2M. Now I'll watch the rest and find out 😋
While I respect Ron for his knowledge, his podcast targets the newbie with ad nauseam speculation. Listening to talk about the adequacy of the 6.5CM or 243Win for elk is less entertaining than watching demonstrations of shooting through pork butts into ballistic gelatin.
Because it’s controversial and all the guntoubers make money talking about it
gotta drive the industry. I get it.
I was thinking this about the PRCs yesterday.
@@dankcincy the best example of why the new this and that. My buddy just bought a Gunwerks, yes Gunwerks, 6.5 prc for a steal at 3500 bucks (WTF) He has a tack driving Blaser in 308 that he bought when they were kinda reasonable. Besides a custom 6.5x55 on a Savage 110. We hunt on a 12 acre plot in basically a growing spread out suburbia ..................................................................just saying. Closest house ; 150 yards. YUP
@@ed5042 I think there's a bit more to it than that. The modern cartridges are improvements, be them small improvements or not is up for debate.
The TH-camrs sure are taking advantage of all the controversy that surrounds them.
@@dankcincy yes, the cartridges are definitely improving, the ballistic results are fascinating when compared to older cartridges.
A fellow on a long range hunting forum measured the volume of a 260 AI case and a 277 Fury one necked down to .264". The Fury has a slightly wider shoulder than the AI case, but its shoulder taper is 30° instead of 40°. Those two things compensate for each other so that the two cases end up having almost the same volume. If the 277 Fury catches on and brass becomes available, it will be interesting to see if many people start using wildcats based on it which need just a neck down rather than go through the process of of fireforming the AI wildcats.
I would rather talk about a 6.8
Would like to get a 6.8 western, but when I looked into it I couldn’t find it in any rifles that I actually wanted and could also afford.
Nobody chambers for it nor nobody makes ammo for it😂😂 why talk about a basically 97 year old 270??
You can shoot the 6.5 creedmoor through the AR-10 platform
To the Scotland question there are excellent European mult-caliber straight pull & bolt actions built for the one rifle problem. Just remember to order a model with a threaded muzzle for a suppressor. As it can be required & is generally considered polite to others.
"Start with two million."
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In regards to the listener with the Savage Axis not chambering the winchester load. I got my son the same rifle, and it will only chamber hornady ammo consistently. we started with Nosler loads and only had about 25% chamber correctly, we believe the savage rifles headspace is just on the tighter side of tolerances, and the factory ammo is just too inconsistent across different Manufacturers.
Not watching this video. just here to say 6.5 is a "Gucci" caliber for gun snobs, don't give a rip about the 6.5 because 308 is king.
Another good job Ron! So many choices today and few of them are bad choices. If I were having to choose a 22 centerfire it would be hands down the 22-250. Not many things it won't do. The 270 Winchester is also mighty hard to beat and your not under gunned on anything except large bears. But if it is elk only hunt I grabbing my 300 win and my 338 win for backup. Elk and deer then I got to flip a coin. 300 Win and either my McWhorter 6.5 WHBY, a 7MM Win Mag or my 7MM PRC or maybe my 284 Win? When it comes to elk I am not taking either of my 6.5 Creedmores. Will it kill an elk sure if hit in the right spot with the right bullet. I can kill an elk with a 22 LR if I get close enough or certainly my 22Hornet. I have taken elk with a bow. I have taken one bull with my Camp Rifle ( Remmington Model 7 stainless synthetic in 7mm-08) with 120 grain Barnes TSX. The bull never knew what hit him. He took 2 steps and fell over. I but a good bullet in the right spot @ 150 yards. I shoot all cooper now in Barnes, Hornaday, Berger, or Hammer unless I might choose a Nosler Portion. I still shoot the Nosler in 243 because it has never failed me ever on a a moose. I wasn't my best choice but it what I happened to be carrying at the moment. All said and done my favorite on the larger game is the 300 Winchester. I love it's stopping power. All my shots on all game have been one shot kills. I don't worry about recoil because I haven't had to fire it much.
If Adam from Missouri (the second question) is reading these comments, I am also from Missouri and I may be interested in buying one of your rifles off you!
sold my 6.5 creedmoor bought a 270
I don't regret my decision
Why?
@@samuelphillian1286 ammo selection I’d bet. I did the same thing, I liked the 6.5 as a deer cartridge, but there was multiple reasons I sold, I didn’t like the rifle itself, but the main reason I didn’t buy a better rifle in the same cartridge is cause I was struggling to find basic ammo. I’ve also hunted with 270 since I was 8 so it was partly familiarity as well. And I think a model 70 should be chambered in a Winchester cartridge. 😂
.308 Winchester with a 130gr TTSX has low recoil and even in a shorter barrel decent velocities and excellent penetration.
Edit: Beautiful Setter Ron. My favorite bird dog breed.
Great combo
Brother why in hell do you always do live streams when my high speed Internet runs out? 🤣
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I bought one because everyone was putting shit on the cartridge and I thought if it’s giving so many people but hurt it must be good , then I bought another because a Winchester mod 70 came up but it was 6.5cm and I thought what the hell , the other is a ruger go wild ‘ I don’t have a 308 or 243 or 270 or 30.06 but I think I’ve got them covered with the 6.5cm
6.5 Creedmoor is 6.5mm, not cm.
@@John-ih2bx cm stands for creedmoor 🎉
@@FrankDemasiIV Thank you for enhancing my knowledge, I was completely ignorant.
My Favorite Thompson Center, Contender and 6.5 Grendel
So in other words... Robert turned his 6.5 creedmoor into a 6.5 PRC that he now cannot get ammo for unless he fire forms it. The 6.5 PRC runs 100 to 150 fps faster than the CM. Personally, if I were going to do that, I would have just had it chambered to 6.5 PRC.
Have the issues with headspace and chambering as described by the competent gunsmith Randy Selby ever been addressed and correct with the 6.5 CM rifles and the inconsistencies in the lengths of brass, Ron?
Isn’t that video like 10yrs. Old? I’d say it’s all fine mow
Tikka makes a 270wsm in left hand rifle.
Due to the non existent large rifle primer availability I've been shooting 6.5 Creedmoor because its the largest chambering I was able to get Lapua brass with small primer pockets. The small primers at least you can find still. 3000 FPS from hand loaded 130 grain CX with a load of superformance powder is getting up to 6.5 PRC territory anyways.
130 grain moving 3000fps = dead animal
For real what’s up with the LRPs? I really like the magnum SRP in the 6.5cm luckily
Is there still a shortage?
Powder Valley has them
Absolutely LAUGHABLE! The guy from Alaska wrote, ETHICAL RANGE, up to 500 yds. With a .308 or 6.5 Creedmoor. First off, I used to work at a rifle range. 75% of the shooters could not shoot a 3" group at 100 yds from a benchrest type situation, let alone shoot at and make a good hit on a deer at 400-500 yards. Absolutely STUPID! I personally would not choose either cartridge if I knew I had a possibility at a big game animal at 400 yards. Like Elmer Keith used to write---- ARMCHAIR THEORY IS GREAT UNTIL YOU GET OUT IN THE FIELD AND MEET REALITY!
Routinely shoot out past 1k yards with a 6.5 creed and have taken animals past 400 with it and it retains 1500 fpe at 400. So yes, if you know how to run a rifle there is no issue with ethical shots at that range. But most people don't shoot over 100 yards and understand dialing dope or anything about ballistics to make ethical shots over 200.
Hey Ron, Gary from Alaska here, thanks for reading my question! I actually messaged you and Joseph Von Benedict... He says 308 and you leaned to 6.5 Creed. Well, I went with the 308 in a Steyr Scout! Gonna try it on spring bear with Fed terminal ascent and see what happens. Thank you sir! Looks like Joseph wins this round...
Thanks for this one, Ron - I always enjoy your shows and eagerly look forward to the next one. Quick elk and moose question vis-a-vis .30-06 Springfield: I've selected the Federal Premium Berger Hybrid Hunter (168-grain) cartridge as my main cartridge for mule deer, whitetail, and hopefully some day, elk and moose. It shoots sub-MOA for me and I've used that cartridge as the choice for my Leupold CDS custom elevation turret for that rifle scope). Last Fall was my first-ever deer (and grouse) hunting season, with my young adult son, but we weren't lucky enough to even spot a deer, let alone take a shot. I shot competitive target rifle extensively (to the Canadian national championship level) as a youth, so am not a new shooter, but of course, hunting and offhand shooting is whole different game entirely. Do you think that 168-grain cartridge in .30-06 is adequate for elk and moose? The muzzle velocity with my 24" barrel should be reasonably close to the stated 2800 fps on the box if that helps. Thanks so much!
Always enjoy your content Ron. Still shooting my 218 bee, 25-35, 38-55 and 30-06 when needed but maybe I can be brought into the modern era if I stay tuned… but I doubt it as having too much fun as is.
Keep up the great work.
All of those are great cartridges and a lot of fun. A 219 zipper would look great in your list as well.
An old friend has hunted deer and hogs with a 25-20 lever action Marlin for many years. The rifle has a 4x scope and he keeps his shots under 100 yards. It is legal in Florida. He has never lost a head of game.
Get you a rifle and learn how to use it. My dad always said never mess with a one rifle man.
What this vid should be called is why are people hating on the 6.5 creedmore. It’s a nice light recoiling accurate, long range co- efficient
Cartridge. Not trying to say it better than anything else, but I love mine, and I’m not the only one so stop the childish egotistical hatred of it and get on with it.
People that complain about the 6.5 creed are the ones that don't understand ballistics and more than likely have never shot past 500 yards in their life. If they did they would see where it really has an advantage over many and why its popular in the long range shooting world.
@@helialaska cheers for that.
For Mr. Sam… just jump man! Write about the man that you want to be for your son. I lost my youngest son in September 2023. There are many things that I wish that I had told him.
7mm-08 rules
Nuff said
But It’s not even close in popularity, which makes it too hard to find ammo for it
Start reloading @@titomish5914
So satisfying when you find that special load!
100 grain Hammer Hunters are absolutely bad ass nearly 3300 fps, shoots great@@leskrug9266
Seems to be a shitload of them for sale second hand in Australia but all of them are very expensive
What's surprising with the law in the UK is the fact that you can buy a 577 NE without a licence because it's considered as obsolete.
still loving your channel
well said
Just started the episode. Thank you for this topic. I just got my first rifle, and after about a months worth of research, I settled on a Tikka T3X in 6.5CM. Couldn't be happier with my choice at this point. 😊
How about stock , Recoil ?
@wallacerose7499 I've only taken it out once so far, but honestly the stock while it's a plastic stock, it feels pretty high quality and doesn't weigh much. One of the reasons i picked 6.5CM was because of the low recoil. I'm new to the firearms world and I'm only 4'10". I wanted something i could feel confident shooting and so far, this rifle has not done me wrong.
@tinybadastronaut you'll love that tikka, it's accurate, low recoil, available ammo, lightweight, etc.
6.5cm? Perhaps you mean 6.5mm? 6.5cm = 2.55 inches. 6.5mm = .255 inches (25 caliber).
@John-ih2bx No, by CM I meant Creedmoor :)
I just Love listening to Ron at specially when he mentions his wife. At first I thought this Man just knows to much. But after I seen Ron shoot and handle a gun, I was sold. Thanks Ron, can we see more of Mrs.Ron on the show? Can we see her shoot? . Thanks Mrs. Ron.
While more sound decibels are a trade off, a good muzzle brake will certainly mitigate some of the recoil on those slightly heavier recoil rifles. Especially when considering a lady shooter. Or go all out and go suppressor, best of both worlds.
I have 3 different 6.5 caliber rifles. 260 Rem for hunting, my favorite. 6.5 Creedmoor because ammo is easy to find, and 6.5-284 Norma because that one can be reloaded quite a bit hotter than the other two.
Then you lacking the one that started all and i like the Most every guy needs a beautyfull blond swedish Girl 😜
A few Hours ago it killed a Roebuck (season started today in Bavaria)
@@lenzadlberger My buddy let me shoot his 6.5x55 Swedish Mauser before and that's what lit the fire for me.
Newbie-is a creedmoor overkill for whitetail at less than 100 yards? That was the very first arm I bought last year and after using it....I feel like I went overboard
The only reason to choose 6.5 Grendel is to run in an AR15 rifle. For a short action rifles the 6.5 CM is fine and the 6.5 PRC takes it to the next level. When stepping up to the standard length action you might as well take full advantage and go 7mm Rem or 7 PRC. The Swede makes sense chambered in a traditional rifle with a Manlicher styled stock for nostalgic reasons.
Ron your show has become a love/hate watch for me. I love how much I get out of your show and love how diverse and applicable your take is. However, I hate how much money I spend putting your ideas and experiences to task. After listening to this episode I already found myself on the phone with my gunsmith and will be dropping off two very nice rifles chambered in 6.5CM and having them transformed into two very nice 260AI rifles. I can’t wait to tell my wife that it’s your fault and I was powerless in this decision. Keep it up and I’ll have to come out of retirement. Can’t wait to find out what the next thing I can’t live without is.
Best, John from North Texas
I think some people get caught up in the size of elk too much. Not all elk are big Roosevelt sized elk. The ones we have taken on our southern Colorado public land hunts weren't weighed, cause we field dressed them, but I figure they have been around 500lbs. The width of there bodies couldn't have been much more than 24" wide. We have used a 280 rem and a 7mm rem mag. The shots haven't ever exceeded 100 yards, and I have felt like a smaller cartridge could have easily done the jobs.
I have a 708 Thompson center venture which I posted on here before we build it. New scope and stuff and just went to the Barnes expo at 140 grain ttsx and I believe I took three deer with that so far this year all head/ neck shots!
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Brian from Louisiana. Thank you for my freedom buddy!!!!! Love to buy you a beer, AND t bone STEAK.
6.5 Grendel, 107 gr controlled chaos @ 2700, deadly.
Yeh, the 6.5 Needsmore! sick of hearing about it.
6.5 cm is a fun cartridge, too bad short life on a barrel.
It's a decent cartridge but silly expensive. I stick with a .270 and save many.
seriously the western has received such poor support from rifle reloading and actual ammunition industry, the PRC much better seriously. the Creedmoor has a lot going for it but the PRC has that extra edge in many ways without getting into recoil issues and comfortability for most. do you need bigger really as far as what animals hunted?
Dear Ron. Should I choose a .308 or the ..... Yes, the ..... every time! :P
How to tell if someone has 6.5 Creedmoor?
It won't take long before they tell you.
I think it is about averages, i.e., What works for most people.
The first gun 22LR (practice shooting fundamentals), hunting gun 6.5 CM and after you itch for a better hunting gun a 300 WM or 375 H&H. Pick a suitable bullet for your hunt and don't sweat what other people fancy.
I never had any trouble with long barrel or heavy gun. Bullet placement is the key for a good time. My favorite cartridge, 264 WM, by the way.
Thanks Ron for your pleasant and informatic work.
Cheers!
Just buy them all, guns are like Pokémon it’s best to have them all lol
Hi Ron, don't worry, I, for one, will never ask you about the 6.5 creedmore. That is one cartridge I have no interest in.
Let me guess, you went through a emo faze in school? So worried about being a none conformist that you conform to a even stricter doctrine
No problem at all, but my question is… why are you here ???
A visit from the puppy too, what a great video
it still amuses me that for the average 22 inch barrel, average factory ammo of 140, equals maybe 50 fps more than the swede; 2600 ish fps.
123 grendel about 2450. Nothing to ignore. I love my 6.5x55 but, would love to get my hands on a Ruger predator in 6.5 grendel due to the effectiveness of the bullet, SD, BC and reasonable velocity.
It’s a travesty how under loaded the 6.5 sweed is. When loaded to similar pressure it runs rings around a needmore.
@@gsnicholas8522 funny you mention that. Did some reloads with 140's. My buddy brought out his chronograph. Norma brass. To be honest I goofed loading the cases while using the 3.1 lee scoop. Never used them before, always used a scale. Scooped the powder, here comes the reveal, THEN I TAPPED THE SCOOP assuming this was the way to do it and added powder accordingly to level the load in the scoop. Yes I know, WOW THAT WAS STUPID. I honestly did not know. Range time with my sporterized Carl Gustav 23 inch military stepped barrel. 2850 mv with less than 20 fps variance in velocities for 5 rounds. No cratering, no pressure signs, 3.10 oacl. Five round group at 100 off home made sandbags, old 6x fine crosshair steel weaver scope. 1.25 inches. I have Not done that load again though. I use Seller Bellot routinely and I get about 2650 from my 23 inch barrel. My really accurate factory ammo is the PPU 139 sp. Better scope now but same military trigger etc. No glass bedding etc, just a drop in european walnut stock someone gifted me. I have guys at the range ( I only offer the rifle to shoot to guys I have seen shoot well) that keep 3-5 rounds inside 15/16 inches at............. 200 yards! So far 5 guys have shot this besides me. It is WILD.
@@gsnicholas8522 I have other holy moly cartridges but the Swede just does it all so well. I am just a coyote deer hunter. Have not shot a deer further than 150 yards.
@@gsnicholas8522 the other point that had not been mentioned. I can order PPU and S&B 140's for about 19-23 bucks a box! Vs the 6.5 Creedmoor!
@@ed5042 your results don’t surprise me at all. I use case head expansion to check for pressure, and I easily get 2900 with 140 grain bullets. This is with a 22 inch barrel in a tikka.
RON CAN YOU DO A VIDEO COMPARING THE 6.5MM creedmoor and the 6.5mm Japanese cartridge. How are they similar? How are they different?
The 6.5 Jap is a tiny bit narrower at the head, has more taper, is a tiny bit longer, and has almost twice the shoulder slope. (18.5 degrees vs. 30-degrees.) I know of no U.S. sporting rifles ever chambered for it. Top velocities will be 150 to 200 fps slower than Creedmoor.
It’s the latest NBT, new big thing! Physical laws work the same, all around the earth. Any other cartridge close in diameter can have its bullet weight and projectile charge modified to perform the same way. A 30.06 sabot round could do even better because of the additional bearing surface inside the barrel! A concrete nail could be “supersonic armor piercing” if a company with the R&D spent the time fitting a sabot/shoe seal around it, but a 4-6,000fps AP bullet won’t sell new guns like a more conventional 7.62 necked down to 6.5mm will. In a few years bullet builders shall “discover” that 1.12mm thinner projectile will travel even FURTHER with more powder or more powerful powder pushing it!
The more you neck down a parent case the more efficiency and energy you lose with all else being equal. At some point you're so longer gaining BC at a given velocity. A good example is 7mm-08 vs .243 Win, with the optimal bullets for a given range the 7mm-08 can be flatter shooting at any meaningful distance.
6.5 CM. The Patron Saint Caliber of CrossFit. 😁
It is 6.5mm, not 6.5cm
It's okay for hunting if you eat paper.
what do think is this best range finding scoop
Not taken in by the "CREEDLESS" I'm not a sucker for things that are shiny because afterall all that glitters in not gold
Every old cartridge people like you said the same thing when it came out, nothing changes.
@@jaydunbar7538funny how the 270 was very controversial when it first came out and look at it now
Yep shooting high BC bullets out past 1k yards that retain a ton of energy with less recoil to spot your own shots is all shine.....
The next great game changer syndrome. 😇
Alright! Converting the 6.5 CM to 260 Rem is a great idea. I've long said that the 260 is a better cartridge, but that Remington made the same mistake with it that they did with the 244 - i.e. not a fast enough twist to handle the long bullets well. Consequently the 243 Winchester had the high ground before Remington switched twist rates and called it the 6mm. Same thing with the 260 - i.e. not a fast enough twist and the Creedmoor took the high ground. Conversion of the Creedmoor rifle is an easy conversion (wish I'd thought of it), and you get to keep the fast twist and all the benefits of that fast twist.
The only issue I see is ammo availability, and the nice thing about the 260 is that it's a simple necking down from 308 (with appropriate checks for neck thickness).
260 os a much better cartridge, and 1:10 twist stabilizes anything the Needmore can.
@@jerrymartin5100 - "Long and skinny" need more than 1:10 for best results. 120, 130, 140? Sure. No issues from me. 150, 160, 170? DEFINITELY need faster in order to ensure dime sized groups. And the 6.5 caliber is proven capable with enough bullet weight (i.e. up to 170). The 260 Remington is maxed at 145. Can the 6.5 caliber do better? ABSOLUTELY. The 6.5x55 Swede has shown us all that bullet weight is the more important aspect than caliber (something difficult for me to accept). When the twist is "fast enough" to ensure stabilization of "long and skinny" then you have achieved "ideal". The 260 Remington is GREAT through 150 grains, BUT that's it's limit. The 6.5 CALIBER is capable through and including 170 grains. How to mate the 260 Remington with the 6.5 caliber potential? Think 'fast twist'.
@@kirkboswell2575 very funny rhat 1:10 twist in 30-06 is considered fine for 110 to 220 grain projectiles, but not other calibers, think Weatherby, all 1:10 twist.
@jerrymartin5100 - Actually, not funny at all - serious comment.
Yes, the 30-06 is capable of up to 220 grains with its standard 1:10 twist. However, "capable" DOESN'T mean 'best'. I've shot 220 through a 30-06, and it does what it was intended to do. There is no question about that part. But there are dozens of other considerations to be considered. "Dime sized groups" is just one. 220 grain bullets typically don't meet that standard. No, they don't keyhole, but neither do they provide max accuracy.
When discussing the 6.5's, maximum accuracy is ALWAYS a prime factor. And, in order to achieve that goal, faster than 1:10 is a given.
You can also neck up the 243 to 260 if you are worried about neck thickness !……. 243 brass ( new and once fired ) is easy to get !
YOU SHOT A GIRAFF??? SHAME ON YOU!
Why are you skipping around the 30 06 ? With the large number of great loads you can’t beat it. Have 22 , 22 mag 223, 243, 30 30 , 308, 30 06, 3O0 win mag, 165 grain boat tail in the 39 06 and 300 win mag will do everything you need that walks, flies or swims! For reaching out small game the 30 06 17 cal accelerator will do the trick. Oh forgot my mini 14 and 30 carbine and 22. I have take Mike deer and elk with the 30 06 in excess of 500 yards and bull elk in excess of 800 yards, I have thought about the 6,5 creed more but I have it covered. I make pick up a 338 Lapua and 270 for collection purposes. Maybe a 50 cal for the one mile ! Lol
30-06 good long action, M1, .308 is comparable short action (M-14 & AR-10). 25-06 / 30-06 is higher velocity, flatter trajectory, 6.5 credmore/.308 is inproved velocity & trajectory.
Thoughts on 25-06?
he did a great video on the 25-06! So good that made me get hot and bothered to get one!
Love/hate 25-06… for what I want out of 25-06 most short action cartridges will do. It also needs a fairly long barrel to come to life.
Something undeniably cool about the 25-06 though despite its performance.
@@Westerner_ and That is why I just could not bring myself to get another cartridge to deal with. Yup. Great Cartridge but, yup
@@Westerner_ yea it’s cool to be the 25-06 guy haha, I’m a 270 nut and guy I work with swears on the 25-06, we go back and forth on it 😂 but then somebody will mention their use of a 300 mag and the conversation kinda dies off
@@FrankDemasiIV when I lived in Nevada that’s what everyone shot because you’re usually only hunting deer, antelope, the occasional cow elk and coyotes. It fills that roll beautifully
Again, I would like to thank your for all of your sound advice! I have 2 6.5 Creedmoors. They are fun to shoot. But are they that much better than x, y, or z? Not. Well not from my experience. They actually recoil more than a 243 win and a little more than the 6mm Rem. Are they really more effective in shooting situations than either of those cartridges' or the 260 or 7mm-08 Rem and take a backseat to the 270Win. It seems like this cartridge has been set up as one to hate. When the Ruger American Rifle came out and then the introduction of the 6.5 Creedmoor I called Ruger to chamber the round in the American Rifle. I was kind of laughed at and was told that the round wasn't proven. Well, I have been laughed at before and will be again. You know, I still don't believe in hydrostatic shock in cartridges ( but know about h2o hammer) and no high velocity cartridge is a "Brushbuster". Knives of Alaska is a quality product, but you always back the best!
The 6.5 CM isn’t fading away anytime soon, just like everyone said the 300 blkout would fade away yet it’s just as popular if not more than ever , they said the 6.5 Grendel would fade and again it’s still hanging around even in spite of the 6mm ARC ….. and that’s another I’ve heard will die out like the 224 Valkyrie , yet it’s actually gaining more ground
Swapping out an OEM recoil pad for a Limbsaver will fix most perceived recoil problems.
Because it's the latest fad.
Big enough to fit the bill. But like a 30-30 it’s disrespected. Bigger is better is not necessarily better. The game will never know the difference.
I remember the WSM and SAUM craze in 2004. Working at a gun shop at the time. It lasted until about 2006. 6.5 CM Seems to be getting more and more popular everyday. The amount of firearms chambered in it is vast. You can get a freaking m1a in 6.5CM. I go to a store called BMC Tactical in NM. There is little to no hunting merchandise as you might tell by the name. But even they have at least 7 loads for the round on the shelf. I dont think its going anywhere.
You missed an opportunity to talk about the 6.5cm in your Alaska bear-hunting episode. I know it's one of your favorite topics.
It's a decent varmint and deer round just like the 243.
Just keep your shots inside of 300 yards for deer Just like a 243.
BASED UPON THE COMMENTS; which I see ALL the time when Any youtuber speaks of the 6.5 Creedmoor. Imagine if someone were to absolutely focus on the 6.5x55 cartridge, suggested reload data etc, and all the rifles available, then range results of chrono, gel, and accuracy. IMAGINE THE AMOUNT OF COMMENT TRAFFIC IT WOULD GENERATE!!!!!!!!!!!! My google moniker is 'swedeshooter'! LOL. Can call it "THE SWEDE" ETC., Ok guys, lets see what channel names we can come up with!!!!!
of course I am very much aware of the 270 280 243 etc etc, I of course have those too! lol. For me, the Swede just does everything I need a rifle /cartridge to do!
@@ed5042 the Swede is a better cartridge. It does everything and more than the needmore does for the last 132 years.
@@gsnicholas8522 OHHH YOU ARE NOT KIDDING! LOL! Been shooting the swede since 87! A gunwriter named Clay Harvey introduced me to the cartridge back then.
It is shit i prefer my 2506
Paul in the First question. GET THE .375. It is WAAAAAAY more versatile than you would think. For short range on white tails, you load it with a Huge heavy bullet. It will knock em down very nicely, and cause very little meat damage. Then for long range (200-250 meter shots) you just load nice lighter bullets.
You don't "need" a new gun, So get something thats going to be lots of fun to hunt with.