My first centerfire rifle when I was maybe 10 was a 6.5x55. I went to the 260 Remington in the mid80s. Got introduced to 308 in the late 80s in the Navy and stuck with it for 30 years. I've only recently started with the 6.5CM. I like it. I like it a lot. Nice presentation
Agree, it's a very shootable cartridge for most shooters, it's inherently accurate slapping steel at long range and killing bucks. Benefit of it will vary in geographics with no open land but it shoots great at 100 yards so why not.
@@ryanglass3570 I picked up 60 boxes of Winchester Select 125gr OTM under $15 a box along with a case of the Winchester 125 all copper hunting load (I forget the name) at $19 a box. Picked up several single and double boxes different hunting loads of various weights to mess around with. Figure I have enough ammo, bullets, primers and powder to last the rest of my life unless an armed conflict breaks out in the US 😎
Spot on review and exactly how i see the 6.5CM. I guide in Africa and have great success with my 6.5 CM’s. My choice for all plains game for clients. 143Eldx or 120 TTSX works magic. Good bullets placed well will get the job done 👌🏻
I have 8 different .264 caliber pill pushers in my arsenal. .260 Rem, 2-6.5x284's, 3-6.5 CM's, 2-6.5 grendels. I've put more people in to the 1,000yd club behind a 6.5 Creedmor than any other caliber I own. And the look on their face when they see that impact...and then hear the impact is priceless! I've used the creedmor on Pronghorn out to 520yds with no issues. A good friend in Wyoming has a sister that's taken bull elk with hers at that distance. The caveat with using a 6.5 on game larger than mule deer is limiting yourself to distances that allow a bullet to penetrate AND expand "if it's designed to--like the ELD's". I think the .264's are also a more budget friendly way to shoot ELR as well. I love shooting my 338LM but pulling the trigger on that thing is expensive and my go to hunting rifle, 28 Nosler, isn't cheap to shoot either, and I reload for both.
Well-rounded discussion. Good job! One thing I think people forget is that rifles aren't shotguns. You have to place each shot on target - not just get close. The 6.5 CM is, at its core, a short action 6.5x55. The Scandinavians have been using the 6.5x55 for everything up to and including moose. It works and has worked since 1900. Of course, the Scandinavians are very big on shot placement and heavy for caliber bullets. Since we know (via the Scandinavians) what the 6.5 CM is capable of, it becomes our responsibility to choose the right bullets for what we are hunting (exactly as you said in the video). The advantages we have with the 6.5 CM is the great variety of different bullets that can be used, and the fact that it was designed from the start to include an increased case life for reloaders. I agree 100% - right bullet, on target, reasonable range, and you have meat in your freezers.
I bought mine, a 700 ADL, because it was in the used rifle rack at BPS,the price was right, traded in a rifle I never shot, had a couple gift cards, paid $30 out pocket.
I purchased a 6.5 cm. This year simply because i wanted a low recoil med distance deer rifle mine is browning xbolt stalker it shoots Winchester powerpoint ammo 129 gr. Into a 1 inch circle at 110 ' plenty accurate for where i hunt
I was hunting elk last year with a guy who was using the 6.5 cm, he shoots really well. He shot a bull and killed it at 560 yds, I was was definitely surprised.
Shot my elk with 6.5 437 yards double lung shot it went 12’ from where it was shot. Nosler 140g ballistic tip. Month prior Mule deer 286 yard heart shot. Ammo plays a huge part for the 6.5
Yes it kills. But if you go by energy then 450 yards is the max. 400 should be max for an elk. I also have seen my friend shoot an elk at 400 yards with the 143 eldx and it took 5 shots all shots where they need to be. With that note elk will take a 300 win and brush it off like a was a bee sting also. So how can we say what is right or wrong.
I call tikka's boring..... they're not "fancy" per say, they just work. It's shoot most things really well. Having a boring rifle in a boring cartridge is awesome.
Think you really nailed it when you said they're all more alike than they are different. No one is going to be able to tell the difference between a 308 or 7mm-08 or 6.5 Creedmoor wound.
Been using a 260 Montana. Early gun, no brake. 6.5 lbs loaded and scoped. Mild recoil with 125 partitions At 3000fps. Great performance on everything up to Nyala. Not an elk rifle but can be utilized,there are better for that. Creed is a close copy of
I don't have anything against the Creedmoor. I just stick with what I'm familiar with. I was born and raised in Oregon and have killed Mulies, Blacktails and Roosevelt Elk with a .243 shooting 100 grain Nosler Partitions. All shots were within 300 yards and none of them went far after being hit. It's all about shot placement and having a bullet that has deep penetration. With that being said I have also taken critters with a 7mm Rem Mag and .300 Win Mag under similar conditions and the result was the same. I have seen people lose bulls that were shot with a .375 H&H because of poor shot placement and frangible bullets that basically blew up when they hit and didn't penetrate. If I find a rifle that I really like and its chambered in 6.5 Creedmoor its still coming home with me.
Banging steel, a static target, is fine at long range, even extream long range. I think it is a fine Deer cartridge. I don't own a 6.5 cm because I see no reason. It is not an "elk cartridge," in my opinion. It will kill anything at modest ranges with good shot placement for sure. However, living in Colorado and hunting large mule deer and large elk at longer ranges, out to 600 yards. I prefer the 300 win mag. Nobody really talks about shot time. From the time your brain says, "Squeeze the trigger," to bullet impact, there is sufficient delay time for your target to move, take a step, turn, etc. That's when the more powerful cartridge comes into play with a bonded bullet and less than perfect shot placement. Just my 2 cents. Cheers!
@@jaydemay7 I’m in a pretty similar camp as you. Originally from Oregon, now in AZ. The 6.5 creed is great for chasing antelope, mule deer, cous deer, blacktails, javelina, etc in the open desert landscapes. Even the black bears here aren’t immune to it. I too have a 300 win mag for when things get “serious”
Had a custom 340 Wby magnum built in the early 1980s and it is definitely superior for large tough animals but for probably 95% of shooters the 6.5 would be far better choice. The 340 in my moderate weight rifle takes a lot of practice and a strong constitution to be competent with .
Where are these guys saying the 6.5 Creedmoor more is a long range elk cartridge? I never actually hear anyone say that except the haters. Where are these guys saying the 6.5 CM is the best cartridge for elk? There aren’t any except again the haters. Why does everyone pretend there aren’t obnoxious/annoying fanboys of other cartridges? And lastly, why are you almost apologizing for liking your 6.5 CM which you unquestionably like and enjoy hunting with?
I don’t hear it as much now. Used to hear A LOT about it when I worked at sportsman’s warehouse a while back. This is just the most recent fan fair cartridge, it was sort of the first of its kind which fuels the hate. I don’t mean to be apologetic, I was more stating I was almost on the anti bandwagon but caved, and like it.
I would use my 6.5 cm on an elk. It is the easiest thing I’ve ever had to get on target. The recoil of the magnum cartridges get to me after just a few rounds. I think shot placement is more important than energy within reasonable distances. If you can put small groups together with the 300wm I’m happy for you. I’ve seen a lot of people that can’t. Cartridge size can not fix bad shot placement. Use what works for you. I’ve had no problems with it on whitetail and that’s probably the only thing I will ever get to use it on anyway.
Every new cartridge that comes out always had its haters, the Internet just made it easier for people to post shit. 6.5x55 has been an excellent hunting round for a very long time and still highly popular in Europe and Scandinavian countries. 6.5 cm from a 24" barrel perfoms just as well.
Haha thank you! It seems like there’s one side of the fence telling you it’s the best cartridge ever, and the other screaming it’s terrible. It’s not terrible, but it’s not magical either. It is “boring” in the sense it does what it’s supposed to. It’s crazy accurate and precise at long range, so that’s cool. For hunting, it’s a good deer gun. Not much to it aside from that 😂
The 6.5 Creedmoor cartridge is an excellent low recoil offering for small-stature men, women, and children. The 6.5 Creedmoor is a big game cartridge within its limitations. Attempting to take big game outside of a rifle cartridge capabilities is the failure of the hunter.
@joelodjick230 It's a want, not a need. Smaller caliber cartridges have taken big game for decades. These cartridges do have limitations. Smaller caliber cartridges are better suited for small stature men, women, and children so they can enjoy the sport without being afraid of their firearm. Bigger guys can handle more weight and recoil. Therefore, large caliber cartridges are suitable. I'd rather go after grizzly with a 338-06 A-Square than a 6.5 Creedmoor.
@@yooper7753 Everyone shoots a lighter recoiling cartridge better though. I don't think theres a "better suited" about it personally, unless what you're doing absolutely demands bigger. For sure use the biggest tool for the job but lets be honest here, no one is gonna tell their wife or kid "sure go chase a grizz with a 6.5mm"....
Theres nothing wrong with it within its limitations. Guys taking way to far shot with bullets that though great for accuracy and ballistics are not made for taking animals bigger than a mule deer. The rifle/cartridge is fine at moderate distances with bonded/mono bullets made tough to handle tough stuff.
The 6.5 Creedmoor is better when used on deer at modest ranges (300 yards or less) using a true hunting bullet like the Partition, Accubond, TTSX or similar bullet.
The Barnes LRX 127gr fits the envelope really nicely for expanding at those anemic speeds, even folks running the 20 inch pea shooter barrels can use a faster powder with them to burn it all in that little thing. I've harvested enough deer with the 143 ELD-Xploding to see its performance on game. Of all the ELD-X gel test reviews you will find online the 6.5 has among the greatest cup and core separation out of all the chamberings tested. I have found this to be true on game. I downed a whitetail with a perfect broadside shot and found the bullet jacket on the opposite side of the animal but the whole core of the bullet blew up and out of him around through the top of the back - this at a slow 2700 FPS muzzle velocity! They really do a job on destroying a lot of meat and tainting the rest of the area with lead fragments. It must be something to do with the diameter because the 220gr ELD-X out of my 300PRC moving much faster don't separate like that. My remaining 6.5 ELD-X handloads have been delegated to coyote duty - seeing as they explode like a varmint bullet anyways.
OK, here's the deal....I had a creedmore, and took two Blacktail bucks with it, both medium forked horns. one at 262 yards, one at 152 yards, (ranged with Sig 2000), both bullets passed thru. Both DRT...Load was 129 gr Accubond ABLR going 2830 FPS, (chronographed), out of my 24" barrel....VERY accurate 1/2 MOA all day..... Plenty fine DEER rifle out to 300 yards IMHO. HOWEVER !... there is no way in hell that I would take it for Elk, unless I was starving or otherwise somehow Desperate, it NOT an Elk rifle, also IMHO...... ....the "Rest of the Story" : I sold it and bought a 6.5 PRC, and it IS an Elk rifle....out of the same length barrel, (24"), I'm running 3050 FPS, with a 142 gr Nosler ABLR,....also 1/2 MOA all day. Which means that at 300 yards, this bullet delivers more energy than a factory loaded 30-06.....and I know, as I've been reloading for over 60 years..... .....my thots are "Why get a Creedmore, when for near the same money you could have a 6.5 PRC?" .... think on the answer to that....I put a brake on my 6.5 prc, and it recoils LESS than my Creedmore.... ....HOWEVER, I would NOT shoot at an Elk over 400 yards personally.......Make of this post what you will, it's just my opinion........OnWard......
I’m a big fan of the ABLR’s. I actually did the opposite, I have a 6.5 cm, bought a 6.5 PRC, and sold the PRC. Only reason being, I have a 300 win mag with a brake that doesn’t recoil much at all. I shoot either 180 Norma bondstrikes at almost 3100 or 215 hybrids at 2850. I hunt coyotes and javelina a lot, so the creedmoor does perfect for those up to deer. Not having a brake is nice, and my 300 win mag never met an elk it couldn’t handle. Both are great for their design. Just need to match it to what works
It's not as much the 6.5 chambering causing the problem as manufacturers making them with 18-20 inch barrels and hunters using the widely available 143gr ELD-X(ploding) bullet on game. The 20 inch barrel is not physically capable of burning all of the powder in your box ammo - you're powder blasting the projectile with unspent powder, second you lose 150-200 fps from the same round with a 24-26 inch barrel, and finally you are using a cup in core bullet that has been proven many times to have the worst cup and core separation in the whole ELD-X lineup. I'll take a 24-26 inch barrel using Barnes TTSX or LRX in 6.5 creed over a 20 inch barrel 6.5PRC or even 7PRC any day.
It’s all about creating a good match. I love diesel, but putting it in my wife’s car is a terrible combo. Same idea. There’s nothing inherently wrong with the .264 diameters effectiveness on game as you said.
Read around on the Rokslide forums, the 143 ELD X doesn’t have that rep there in the least, or ELD Xs in general. I smoked a 225 pound lb hog behind the ear a few months ago with a 103 grain ELD X in a 6 ARC bolt gun at 220ish yards. Bullet sized entry and quarter sized exit. Hardly exploding. They can tend to fragment a bit at times but 60-70% stay together and the shrapnel does great collateral damage. Kill fast and make good blood trails. It’s ideal.
It's not the CM that is the problem it's the people who use it. 6.5x55 has worked forever now and the two are identical to each other. But only CM guys will fluff numbers and sell the CM to be way more than it is. Case in point you can watch a video right here on TH-cam of a boob shoot a moose 8 time with a 6.5cm then brag how well he and it performed.
@clayburnham3223 that's the point I'm making. The users of the CM push it way past what it is overblowing its actual performance causing issues. Like I said it's not the round it's the people.
This reminds me of when the 264 came out and all the bad publicly it got😳 after 60+ years of hunting reloading and collecting rifles and at my last est about 2,400 over the years I find the 6.5 is a great range gun and a great deer gun but lacking the muscle needed to be an elk gun! Will it work yes but is it a good choice not really! One of my 4 sons hunted with it for years when it first came out and took a lot of deer because of the light recoil and being able to hit on target easier, but in a bit perfect situation it even lacks in a deer rifle and that’s where the 270,30-06 cartridges surpass it. 6.5 has lots of ammo choices too. We owe it to the game we hunt to do was I think Robert Rourk once said To use enough Gun!
I agree. I’ve shot this rifle more than any other by a margin most likely. It just works. It’s great for deer, javelina, antelope, etc. inside about 500 yards. It’s great to take to the range, great to go practice at distance in the desert, great backup gun for friends on deer hunts, etc. it’s just very well rounded. My 300 win mag comes out when I’m elk hunting, or deer hunting with my dad, who also loves this rifle 🤣
180 yards perfect shot on a black bear , should have taken both lungs and heart. but bear ran off. one week latter, another bear is taken at 7 yards front neck shot DRT, when processing find it was the bear shot the week before, the Hornady 143 eld precision hunter disintegrated in the first half inch of bear with the biggest part just under the rib it did not even pernitrate the membrane on the inside of the ribs.
Sounds like a misinterpretation of evidence or a straight up b.s. story. I've put much softer constructed bullets with much less sectional density through bears. A 143gr eldx not penetrate the ribs? Sounds like someone has a dislike of a particular bullet enough to try to trash it with a lie.
That is quite a fishy story…. I shot a descent sized mule deer facing me at 25ish yards in the brisket area when I was 15. I was using the almighty 80 grain core lokt out my .243. If that combo made it through the brisket and killed that deer, I find it tough to believe the black bear story.
The best 6.5 Creed video I have ever seen...seriously great job man...spot on!! @mtnhunter5578 0 seconds ago I have been hunting with 6.5 Creed for the last 5 years on big KY Whitetails, the occasional coyote and hog. All of my ranges have been within 200 yards and it has been a hammer especially with Berger 130 OTM. Straight up the leg and center in the body....no tracking....every deer has dropped in their tracks. I have had the same results with Deer season XP.....put the bullet in the right spot and their done. Low recoil, flat shooting, same availlabilty as .308, 270, 30/06 and about the same price. Will it kill an elk sure it will, would I take it elk hunting...no I would not I think that is where 6.5 Creed gets its bad wrap....people that can't shoot or try and take game larger than it is designed for. For me, 400 yards and in..I don't think you can beat the 6.5 Creed on Deer sized game and below.
I absolutely kno 6.5 creed will kill game. But is there better tools for the task. Yes. Pretty much anything else is better at killing. But 6.5 creedmore has its place. Just not in my hands. I'm a 30cal guy
I think it really depends what the game is…. Elk? Most certainly better choices. Deer? Javelina? Eh. They’re all pretty equal in the short action realm. I have several buddies that shoots .308’s. They don’t kill bucks any faster than my creed. My 300 win mag is a different story.
That’s not exactly true buddy. You could hand pick for them that make one superior to the other, but equal load to equal load the 6.5 is quite superior to the .243, particularly outside 250ish yards. The creedmoor outruns most older loads in .270 as well. Newer .270 loadings are nasty, but what most people traditionally shot in .270 don’t compete ON PAPER past 300 yards as well. (General ranges, you get the idea)
According to Noslers website the 142 grain ABLR out of a 6.5 creed has 1509 ftlbs of energy at 300 yards (average big game animal shot). The 150 grain ABLR out of a 270 win is at 1905 ftlbs of energy at the same distance. I like the creed and the 270, I have both. I think the creed is an excellent deer and antelope cartridge but if I’m hunting elk or bear I’m taking the 270. That’s not to say you can’t kill either of those with the 6.5
My first centerfire rifle when I was maybe 10 was a 6.5x55. I went to the 260 Remington in the mid80s. Got introduced to 308 in the late 80s in the Navy and stuck with it for 30 years.
I've only recently started with the 6.5CM. I like it. I like it a lot.
Nice presentation
Agree, it's a very shootable cartridge for most shooters, it's inherently accurate slapping steel at long range and killing bucks. Benefit of it will vary in geographics with no open land but it shoots great at 100 yards so why not.
@@ryanglass3570 I picked up 60 boxes of Winchester Select 125gr OTM under $15 a box along with a case of the Winchester 125 all copper hunting load (I forget the name) at $19 a box. Picked up several single and double boxes different hunting loads of various weights to mess around with. Figure I have enough ammo, bullets, primers and powder to last the rest of my life unless an armed conflict breaks out in the US 😎
Spot on review and exactly how i see the 6.5CM. I guide in Africa and have great success with my 6.5 CM’s. My choice for all plains game for clients. 143Eldx or 120 TTSX works magic. Good bullets placed well will get the job done 👌🏻
It’s been a good performer for me on say 200 pound animals and under! Good combo
Nice balanced chat on the topic. Well done navigating the minefield 😂. It’s a good round. 👍🏼
I have 8 different .264 caliber pill pushers in my arsenal. .260 Rem, 2-6.5x284's, 3-6.5 CM's, 2-6.5 grendels. I've put more people in to the 1,000yd club behind a 6.5 Creedmor than any other caliber I own. And the look on their face when they see that impact...and then hear the impact is priceless! I've used the creedmor on Pronghorn out to 520yds with no issues. A good friend in Wyoming has a sister that's taken bull elk with hers at that distance. The caveat with using a 6.5 on game larger than mule deer is limiting yourself to distances that allow a bullet to penetrate AND expand "if it's designed to--like the ELD's". I think the .264's are also a more budget friendly way to shoot ELR as well. I love shooting my 338LM but pulling the trigger on that thing is expensive and my go to hunting rifle, 28 Nosler, isn't cheap to shoot either, and I reload for both.
Best 6.5 cm review ive seen.I have the same rifle and love it !
The only thing more annoying than 6.5 Creedmoor fanbois are the superior snobs who are too cool to admit they like the cartridge.
Good video.
Have run into WAY more of the latter....personally, the former are near a mythical creature IMO
Well-rounded discussion. Good job! One thing I think people forget is that rifles aren't shotguns. You have to place each shot on target - not just get close. The 6.5 CM is, at its core, a short action 6.5x55. The Scandinavians have been using the 6.5x55 for everything up to and including moose. It works and has worked since 1900. Of course, the Scandinavians are very big on shot placement and heavy for caliber bullets. Since we know (via the Scandinavians) what the 6.5 CM is capable of, it becomes our responsibility to choose the right bullets for what we are hunting (exactly as you said in the video). The advantages we have with the 6.5 CM is the great variety of different bullets that can be used, and the fact that it was designed from the start to include an increased case life for reloaders.
I agree 100% - right bullet, on target, reasonable range, and you have meat in your freezers.
I bought mine, a 700 ADL, because it was in the used rifle rack at BPS,the price was right, traded in a rifle I never shot, had a couple gift cards, paid $30 out pocket.
I purchased a 6.5 cm. This year simply because i wanted a low recoil med distance deer rifle mine is browning xbolt stalker it shoots Winchester powerpoint ammo 129 gr. Into a 1 inch circle at 110 ' plenty accurate for where i hunt
My rifle loves the 129 SST Superformance. Have had very good luck with it.
I was hunting elk last year with a guy who was using the 6.5 cm, he shoots really well. He shot a bull and killed it at 560 yds, I was was definitely surprised.
It’s a very easy cartridge to shoot. Putting it where it belongs usually works out.
Shot my elk with 6.5 437 yards double lung shot it went 12’ from where it was shot. Nosler 140g ballistic tip.
Month prior Mule deer 286 yard heart shot.
Ammo plays a huge part for the 6.5
Yes it kills. But if you go by energy then 450 yards is the max. 400 should be max for an elk. I also have seen my friend shoot an elk at 400 yards with the 143 eldx and it took 5 shots all shots where they need to be. With that note elk will take a 300 win and brush it off like a was a bee sting also. So how can we say what is right or wrong.
I really enjoyed your discussion. I'm the 7mm08 guy but have been considering the creedmore. Just subscribed!
I got the Tikka in 7mm08 just recently, I hope that it works as well as I've heard.
I call tikka's boring..... they're not "fancy" per say, they just work. It's shoot most things really well. Having a boring rifle in a boring cartridge is awesome.
Ill stick with the .260.
Think you really nailed it when you said they're all more alike than they are different. No one is going to be able to tell the difference between a 308 or 7mm-08 or 6.5 Creedmoor wound.
Been using a 260 Montana. Early gun, no brake. 6.5 lbs loaded and scoped. Mild recoil with 125 partitions At 3000fps. Great performance on everything up to Nyala. Not an elk rifle but can be utilized,there are better for that. Creed is a close copy of
I just bought a 6.5 creedmoor for the pa woods, the 140 grain core lokt should do the trick on them.
I realy like how you talk you make good sense some times good ole common sense is the best answer
I don't have anything against the Creedmoor. I just stick with what I'm familiar with. I was born and raised in Oregon and have killed Mulies, Blacktails and Roosevelt Elk with a .243 shooting 100 grain Nosler Partitions. All shots were within 300 yards and none of them went far after being hit. It's all about shot placement and having a bullet that has deep penetration. With that being said I have also taken critters with a 7mm Rem Mag and .300 Win Mag under similar conditions and the result was the same. I have seen people lose bulls that were shot with a .375 H&H because of poor shot placement and frangible bullets that basically blew up when they hit and didn't penetrate. If I find a rifle that I really like and its chambered in 6.5 Creedmoor its still coming home with me.
Banging steel, a static target, is fine at long range, even extream long range. I think it is a fine Deer cartridge. I don't own a 6.5 cm because I see no reason. It is not an "elk cartridge," in my opinion. It will kill anything at modest ranges with good shot placement for sure. However, living in Colorado and hunting large mule deer and large elk at longer ranges, out to 600 yards. I prefer the 300 win mag. Nobody really talks about shot time. From the time your brain says, "Squeeze the trigger," to bullet impact, there is sufficient delay time for your target to move, take a step, turn, etc. That's when the more powerful cartridge comes into play with a bonded bullet and less than perfect shot placement. Just my 2 cents. Cheers!
@@jaydemay7 I’m in a pretty similar camp as you. Originally from Oregon, now in AZ. The 6.5 creed is great for chasing antelope, mule deer, cous deer, blacktails, javelina, etc in the open desert landscapes. Even the black bears here aren’t immune to it. I too have a 300 win mag for when things get “serious”
Whats the difference in time of flight between your 300 WM and a 6.5CM of similar construction out to 600 yards?
@@joelodjick230 Either side of 1 second.
@@jaydemay7 Cool I've only ever shot paper that far out so no real feedback on flight time, but figured they can't be much different.
Sensible take. Pretty good all round medium game rifle for here in Australia
Had a custom 340 Wby magnum built in the early 1980s and it is definitely superior for large tough animals but for probably 95% of shooters the 6.5 would be far better choice. The 340 in my moderate weight rifle takes a lot of practice and a strong constitution to be competent with .
Where are these guys saying the 6.5 Creedmoor more is a long range elk cartridge? I never actually hear anyone say that except the haters. Where are these guys saying the 6.5 CM is the best cartridge for elk? There aren’t any except again the haters.
Why does everyone pretend there aren’t obnoxious/annoying fanboys of other cartridges?
And lastly, why are you almost apologizing for liking your 6.5 CM which you unquestionably like and enjoy hunting with?
I don’t hear it as much now. Used to hear A LOT about it when I worked at sportsman’s warehouse a while back.
This is just the most recent fan fair cartridge, it was sort of the first of its kind which fuels the hate.
I don’t mean to be apologetic, I was more stating I was almost on the anti bandwagon but caved, and like it.
I would use my 6.5 cm on an elk. It is the easiest thing I’ve ever had to get on target. The recoil of the magnum cartridges get to me after just a few rounds. I think shot placement is more important than energy within reasonable distances. If you can put small groups together with the 300wm I’m happy for you. I’ve seen a lot of people that can’t. Cartridge size can not fix bad shot placement. Use what works for you. I’ve had no problems with it on whitetail and that’s probably the only thing I will ever get to use it on anyway.
My Creedmoor has printed a .1 MOA group and averages about .5 MOA. I've used it on 2 animals (a coyote and a hog) and both were down instantly
My Weatherby 6.5 vanguard shoots .3 moa with hornady factory loads, I don’t think I’ll buy any other rifle then Weatherby if I’m buying new.
It’s crazy how you have 6.5 cm and a weatherby element we got the same taste in hunting 😁 thanks for the review!!
That’s awesome!! Thank you!
Every new cartridge that comes out always had its haters, the Internet just made it easier for people to post shit.
6.5x55 has been an excellent hunting round for a very long time and still highly popular in Europe and Scandinavian countries.
6.5 cm from a 24" barrel perfoms just as well.
The Man-Bun cartridge!
Great video…I’m not a hater…I just don’t buy into everyone’s hype.
Haha thank you! It seems like there’s one side of the fence telling you it’s the best cartridge ever, and the other screaming it’s terrible. It’s not terrible, but it’s not magical either. It is “boring” in the sense it does what it’s supposed to. It’s crazy accurate and precise at long range, so that’s cool. For hunting, it’s a good deer gun. Not much to it aside from that 😂
What hype and who is "everyone"?
The 6.5 Creedmoor cartridge is an excellent low recoil offering for small-stature men, women, and children.
The 6.5 Creedmoor is a big game cartridge within its limitations.
Attempting to take big game outside of a rifle cartridge capabilities is the failure of the hunter.
Its weird how bigger guys need more gun than smaller guys, women and children lol
@joelodjick230 It's a want, not a need. Smaller caliber cartridges have taken big game for decades. These cartridges do have limitations.
Smaller caliber cartridges are better suited for small stature men, women, and children so they can enjoy the sport without being afraid of their firearm.
Bigger guys can handle more weight and recoil. Therefore, large caliber cartridges are suitable.
I'd rather go after grizzly with a 338-06 A-Square than a 6.5 Creedmoor.
@@yooper7753 Everyone shoots a lighter recoiling cartridge better though. I don't think theres a "better suited" about it personally, unless what you're doing absolutely demands bigger.
For sure use the biggest tool for the job but lets be honest here, no one is gonna tell their wife or kid "sure go chase a grizz with a 6.5mm"....
The 6.5 needmore is a good target round bout it
Theres nothing wrong with it within its limitations. Guys taking way to far shot with bullets that though great for accuracy and ballistics are not made for taking animals bigger than a mule deer. The rifle/cartridge is fine at moderate distances with bonded/mono bullets made tough to handle tough stuff.
👍 agreed
The 6.5 Creedmoor is better when used on deer at modest ranges (300 yards or less) using a true hunting bullet like the Partition, Accubond, TTSX or similar bullet.
The Barnes LRX 127gr fits the envelope really nicely for expanding at those anemic speeds, even folks running the 20 inch pea shooter barrels can use a faster powder with them to burn it all in that little thing. I've harvested enough deer with the 143 ELD-Xploding to see its performance on game. Of all the ELD-X gel test reviews you will find online the 6.5 has among the greatest cup and core separation out of all the chamberings tested. I have found this to be true on game. I downed a whitetail with a perfect broadside shot and found the bullet jacket on the opposite side of the animal but the whole core of the bullet blew up and out of him around through the top of the back - this at a slow 2700 FPS muzzle velocity! They really do a job on destroying a lot of meat and tainting the rest of the area with lead fragments. It must be something to do with the diameter because the 220gr ELD-X out of my 300PRC moving much faster don't separate like that. My remaining 6.5 ELD-X handloads have been delegated to coyote duty - seeing as they explode like a varmint bullet anyways.
it seems it wasn't until Facebook groups became prevalent that the 6.5 creedmoor got popular.
Wish my Savage Ashbury Precision Creedmoor didn't weigh 18.7 pounds......😊.Wait! My Axis II only weighs 9.8 pounds.
OK, here's the deal....I had a creedmore, and took two Blacktail bucks with it, both medium forked horns. one at 262 yards, one at 152 yards, (ranged with Sig 2000), both bullets passed thru. Both DRT...Load was 129 gr Accubond ABLR going 2830 FPS, (chronographed), out of my 24" barrel....VERY accurate 1/2 MOA all day.....
Plenty fine DEER rifle out to 300 yards IMHO. HOWEVER !... there is no way in hell that I would take it for Elk, unless I was starving or otherwise somehow Desperate, it NOT an Elk rifle, also IMHO......
....the "Rest of the Story" : I sold it and bought a 6.5 PRC, and it IS an Elk rifle....out of the same length barrel, (24"), I'm running 3050 FPS, with a 142 gr Nosler ABLR,....also 1/2 MOA all day. Which means that at 300 yards, this bullet delivers more energy than a factory loaded 30-06.....and I know, as I've been reloading for over 60 years.....
.....my thots are "Why get a Creedmore, when for near the same money you could have a 6.5 PRC?" .... think on the answer to that....I put a brake on my 6.5 prc, and it recoils LESS than my Creedmore....
....HOWEVER, I would NOT shoot at an Elk over 400 yards personally.......Make of this post what you will, it's just my opinion........OnWard......
I’m a big fan of the ABLR’s. I actually did the opposite, I have a 6.5 cm, bought a 6.5 PRC, and sold the PRC. Only reason being, I have a 300 win mag with a brake that doesn’t recoil much at all. I shoot either 180 Norma bondstrikes at almost 3100 or 215 hybrids at 2850.
I hunt coyotes and javelina a lot, so the creedmoor does perfect for those up to deer. Not having a brake is nice, and my 300 win mag never met an elk it couldn’t handle. Both are great for their design. Just need to match it to what works
yeah, it's the people talking about the 6.5 creedmoor that bug me.
This was impressive you could give a review on the 6.5 creedmoor without wearing a man bun , well done
Haha I cut it off right before the video 😉🤣 thank you
It's not as much the 6.5 chambering causing the problem as manufacturers making them with 18-20 inch barrels and hunters using the widely available 143gr ELD-X(ploding) bullet on game.
The 20 inch barrel is not physically capable of burning all of the powder in your box ammo - you're powder blasting the projectile with unspent powder, second you lose 150-200 fps from the same round with a 24-26 inch barrel, and finally you are using a cup in core bullet that has been proven many times to have the worst cup and core separation in the whole ELD-X lineup.
I'll take a 24-26 inch barrel using Barnes TTSX or LRX in 6.5 creed over a 20 inch barrel 6.5PRC or even 7PRC any day.
It’s all about creating a good match. I love diesel, but putting it in my wife’s car is a terrible combo. Same idea. There’s nothing inherently wrong with the .264 diameters effectiveness on game as you said.
Read around on the Rokslide forums, the 143 ELD X doesn’t have that rep there in the least, or ELD Xs in general.
I smoked a 225 pound lb hog behind the ear a few months ago with a 103 grain ELD X in a 6 ARC bolt gun at 220ish yards. Bullet sized entry and quarter sized exit. Hardly exploding.
They can tend to fragment a bit at times but 60-70% stay together and the shrapnel does great collateral damage. Kill fast and make good blood trails. It’s ideal.
It's not the CM that is the problem it's the people who use it. 6.5x55 has worked forever now and the two are identical to each other. But only CM guys will fluff numbers and sell the CM to be way more than it is. Case in point you can watch a video right here on TH-cam of a boob shoot a moose 8 time with a 6.5cm then brag how well he and it performed.
That idiot shot the wrong bullet at way too long a range. Good bullet at decent range it works no issue
@clayburnham3223 that's the point I'm making. The users of the CM push it way past what it is overblowing its actual performance causing issues. Like I said it's not the round it's the people.
My avatar name where do you think I stand on the subject 😂
I'm guessing you have a man bun?!?
@@JoJo-pg1kq In .264 I shoot 6.5 PRC so no.
This reminds me of when the 264 came out and all the bad publicly it got😳 after 60+ years of hunting reloading and collecting rifles and at my last est about 2,400 over the years I find the 6.5 is a great range gun and a great deer gun but lacking the muscle needed to be an elk gun! Will it work yes but is it a good choice not really! One of my 4 sons hunted with it for years when it first came out and took a lot of deer because of the light recoil and being able to hit on target easier, but in a bit perfect situation it even lacks in a deer rifle and that’s where the 270,30-06 cartridges surpass it. 6.5 has lots of ammo choices too. We owe it to the game we hunt to do was I think Robert Rourk once said To use enough Gun!
I agree. I’ve shot this rifle more than any other by a margin most likely. It just works. It’s great for deer, javelina, antelope, etc. inside about 500 yards. It’s great to take to the range, great to go practice at distance in the desert, great backup gun for friends on deer hunts, etc. it’s just very well rounded. My 300 win mag comes out when I’m elk hunting, or deer hunting with my dad, who also loves this rifle 🤣
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180 yards perfect shot on a black bear , should have taken both lungs and heart. but bear ran off.
one week latter, another bear is taken at 7 yards front neck shot DRT, when processing find it was the bear shot the week before,
the Hornady 143 eld precision hunter disintegrated in the first half inch of bear with the biggest part just under the rib it did not even pernitrate the membrane on the inside of the ribs.
Sounds like a bullet issue not cartridge.
Like the last reply said, bullet failure, not cartridge most likely. Monolithic bullet would have penetrated.
Sounds like a misinterpretation of evidence or a straight up b.s. story. I've put much softer constructed bullets with much less sectional density through bears. A 143gr eldx not penetrate the ribs? Sounds like someone has a dislike of a particular bullet enough to try to trash it with a lie.
I call bullshit on that story
That is quite a fishy story…. I shot a descent sized mule deer facing me at 25ish yards in the brisket area when I was 15. I was using the almighty 80 grain core lokt out my .243. If that combo made it through the brisket and killed that deer, I find it tough to believe the black bear story.
The best 6.5 Creed video I have ever seen...seriously great job man...spot on!!
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I have been hunting with 6.5 Creed for the last 5 years on big KY Whitetails, the occasional coyote and hog. All of my ranges have been within 200 yards and it has been a hammer especially with Berger 130 OTM. Straight up the leg and center in the body....no tracking....every deer has dropped in their tracks. I have had the same results with Deer season XP.....put the bullet in the right spot and their done. Low recoil, flat shooting, same availlabilty as .308, 270, 30/06 and about the same price. Will it kill an elk sure it will, would I take it elk hunting...no I would not I think that is where 6.5 Creed gets its bad wrap....people that can't shoot or try and take game larger than it is designed for. For me, 400 yards and in..I don't think you can beat the 6.5 Creed on Deer sized game and below.
I absolutely kno 6.5 creed will kill game. But is there better tools for the task. Yes. Pretty much anything else is better at killing. But 6.5 creedmore has its place. Just not in my hands. I'm a 30cal guy
I think it really depends what the game is…. Elk? Most certainly better choices. Deer? Javelina? Eh. They’re all pretty equal in the short action realm. I have several buddies that shoots .308’s. They don’t kill bucks any faster than my creed. My 300 win mag is a different story.
For medium game it’s perfect. Large game, there are better options.
I like antiques too!!!!
If you like the 270 you give up nothing with the creedmore
I think the 270 has a bit more killing power than 6.5 but the creedmore is valid hunting rifle as well
You give up 500ft lbs of energy that is about 20% compared to the creed it’s a lot especially for long range, 6.5creed compares more to a .243
@@WesD808 ok let’s hear how you get 500ftlbs more? I’ll give you maybe 300
That’s not exactly true buddy. You could hand pick for them that make one superior to the other, but equal load to equal load the 6.5 is quite superior to the .243, particularly outside 250ish yards. The creedmoor outruns most older loads in .270 as well. Newer .270 loadings are nasty, but what most people traditionally shot in .270 don’t compete ON PAPER past 300 yards as well. (General ranges, you get the idea)
According to Noslers website the 142 grain ABLR out of a 6.5 creed has 1509 ftlbs of energy at 300 yards (average big game animal shot). The 150 grain ABLR out of a 270 win is at 1905 ftlbs of energy at the same distance. I like the creed and the 270, I have both. I think the creed is an excellent deer and antelope cartridge but if I’m hunting elk or bear I’m taking the 270. That’s not to say you can’t kill either of those with the 6.5
It sucks an sorry not watching this crap
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Your an idiot