Spot on review and exactly how i see the 6.5CM. I guide in Africa and have great success with my 6.5 CM’s. My choice for all plains game for clients. 143Eldx or 120 TTSX works magic. Good bullets placed well will get the job done 👌🏻
I call tikka's boring..... they're not "fancy" per say, they just work. It's shoot most things really well. Having a boring rifle in a boring cartridge is awesome.
I have 8 different .264 caliber pill pushers in my arsenal. .260 Rem, 2-6.5x284's, 3-6.5 CM's, 2-6.5 grendels. I've put more people in to the 1,000yd club behind a 6.5 Creedmor than any other caliber I own. And the look on their face when they see that impact...and then hear the impact is priceless! I've used the creedmor on Pronghorn out to 520yds with no issues. A good friend in Wyoming has a sister that's taken bull elk with hers at that distance. The caveat with using a 6.5 on game larger than mule deer is limiting yourself to distances that allow a bullet to penetrate AND expand "if it's designed to--like the ELD's". I think the .264's are also a more budget friendly way to shoot ELR as well. I love shooting my 338LM but pulling the trigger on that thing is expensive and my go to hunting rifle, 28 Nosler, isn't cheap to shoot either, and I reload for both.
I was hunting elk last year with a guy who was using the 6.5 cm, he shoots really well. He shot a bull and killed it at 560 yds, I was was definitely surprised.
Shot my elk with 6.5 437 yards double lung shot it went 12’ from where it was shot. Nosler 140g ballistic tip. Month prior Mule deer 286 yard heart shot. Ammo plays a huge part for the 6.5
Yes it kills. But if you go by energy then 450 yards is the max. 400 should be max for an elk. I also have seen my friend shoot an elk at 400 yards with the 143 eldx and it took 5 shots all shots where they need to be. With that note elk will take a 300 win and brush it off like a was a bee sting also. So how can we say what is right or wrong.
@@randysmith8604Go with an all copper like the Barnes LRX. Kills better, no lead in your meat, and you can calculate max range with fps. With the .264 127gr and .277 129gr LRXs you need 1700-1800 fps for these bullets to do their job... and they do it well. I will never go back to a cup and core bullet like accubonds or eldx for hunting. Just witnessed too many negative experiences with them. With Barnes, all I have had is Bang, Plop, DRT. Around 40 elk and many antelope and deer. Cheers
I’ll admit. I was one of those big 6.5 Creed haters. And then the opportunity presented itself with my biggest buck to date, and the rifle in my hands? A TC Compass, chambered in none other than 6.5 Creed! 307 yards and it was a bang flop through the lungs. It changed my perspective instantly. I now own my own 6.5Creed and it’s by far my most favorite hunting rifle I own. So much so that when my 300wm crapped out due to the barrel bore CHIPPING. I sold my 300wm and confidently hunted Elk with my 6.5! Shooting 140gr Accubonds at 2707fps with a max effective range on elk being 470yds, i was more than accepting of that. I was a doubter, and now I’m a lover of this cartridge. Is it the absolute best? Hell no. But is it capable, easy to shoot, and affordable (in today’s economy LOL), heck yes it is. And I have zero concern with it either.
My first centerfire rifle when I was maybe 10 was a 6.5x55. I went to the 260 Remington in the mid80s. Got introduced to 308 in the late 80s in the Navy and stuck with it for 30 years. I've only recently started with the 6.5CM. I like it. I like it a lot. Nice presentation
Agree, it's a very shootable cartridge for most shooters, it's inherently accurate slapping steel at long range and killing bucks. Benefit of it will vary in geographics with no open land but it shoots great at 100 yards so why not.
@@ryanglass3570 I picked up 60 boxes of Winchester Select 125gr OTM under $15 a box along with a case of the Winchester 125 all copper hunting load (I forget the name) at $19 a box. Picked up several single and double boxes different hunting loads of various weights to mess around with. Figure I have enough ammo, bullets, primers and powder to last the rest of my life unless an armed conflict breaks out in the US 😎
I purchased a 6.5 cm. This year simply because i wanted a low recoil med distance deer rifle mine is browning xbolt stalker it shoots Winchester powerpoint ammo 129 gr. Into a 1 inch circle at 110 ' plenty accurate for where i hunt
6.5 creed is way bigger than 243 but nobody says anything bad about it really it's the Sam's weight bullet as 308 143 gran the problem is 60 percent of people are using target ammo at game or taking to long a shot
Pretty sure the purpose of the 6.5CM's creation was to duplicate 6.5x55 in a short action cartridge. Maybe that wasn't their intent, but that's exactly what they ended up doing. You can't really shoot hot loads out of one of the old Krag Jorgensens, but you can out of the Swedish M96 small ring Mausers, and every other new 6.5x55, like my T3X. That said, I prefer the heavier, slower, premium, high SD bullets like Norma Oryx 156 gr, Woodleigh Weldcore 160 gr, and Lapua Mega 155 gr. Within reason, MV, in my experience, isn't a great substitute for SD. Doesn't matter a lot on thin-skinned, light-boned animals like white tails, black tails, and mulies, but it can matter quite a bit for larger, tougher animals like elk, moose, zebra, and wildebeest. It shortens my range a bit, but with those premium bullets, I'll shoot at nearly anything from any shot angle, including elk. The Swedes and Norwegians have had great success on Scandinavian moose, caribou, and red deer with the venerable 6.5x55. It sure isn't a 500 yard moose/elk cartridge, but out to 200 or 250 yards, with appropriate shot placement, it kills with the monotonous predictability of gravity. My 6.5x55 worked like a champ on a recent safari (so did my 9.3x62, but that's another story for another day).
Well-rounded discussion. Good job! One thing I think people forget is that rifles aren't shotguns. You have to place each shot on target - not just get close. The 6.5 CM is, at its core, a short action 6.5x55. The Scandinavians have been using the 6.5x55 for everything up to and including moose. It works and has worked since 1900. Of course, the Scandinavians are very big on shot placement and heavy for caliber bullets. Since we know (via the Scandinavians) what the 6.5 CM is capable of, it becomes our responsibility to choose the right bullets for what we are hunting (exactly as you said in the video). The advantages we have with the 6.5 CM is the great variety of different bullets that can be used, and the fact that it was designed from the start to include an increased case life for reloaders. I agree 100% - right bullet, on target, reasonable range, and you have meat in your freezers.
I do love this topic. People have been hunting elk with flying pointy sticks for multiple millennia at this point and people saying you can not or should not use 6.5CM are making an emotional statement responding to the 6.5CM fanboys. As long as you take and make a reasonable shot with a good bullet from a decent distance, I have not found an animal that knows the difference between 6.5CM and nearly anything else to include bull elk. They all die. That being said, I don't shoot at animals beyond 350-400 yards and generally work to get within 250 yards if I can. I also usually don't decide to take the 6.5CM over something that might make more sense when the thought arises. I have used my 308 Sig Cross for most things the last 2-3 years.
Common sense! More people need to think like this and quit believing all of the over hype.This rounds suffers from so many that really have no idea or experience hunting.They buy based on the marketing hype,but the ammo based on the marketing hype,then go out and it fails. As you said,and my forty plus years of hunting has shown,any cartridge is a good cartridge if you understand it's capabilities, performance window,and the right bullet selection. Great video,keep up the good work.
I don't have anything against the Creedmoor. I just stick with what I'm familiar with. I was born and raised in Oregon and have killed Mulies, Blacktails and Roosevelt Elk with a .243 shooting 100 grain Nosler Partitions. All shots were within 300 yards and none of them went far after being hit. It's all about shot placement and having a bullet that has deep penetration. With that being said I have also taken critters with a 7mm Rem Mag and .300 Win Mag under similar conditions and the result was the same. I have seen people lose bulls that were shot with a .375 H&H because of poor shot placement and frangible bullets that basically blew up when they hit and didn't penetrate. If I find a rifle that I really like and its chambered in 6.5 Creedmoor its still coming home with me.
Haha thank you! It seems like there’s one side of the fence telling you it’s the best cartridge ever, and the other screaming it’s terrible. It’s not terrible, but it’s not magical either. It is “boring” in the sense it does what it’s supposed to. It’s crazy accurate and precise at long range, so that’s cool. For hunting, it’s a good deer gun. Not much to it aside from that 😂
Honestly it does the job, it’s a good round within its capabilities, yep there is better rounds out there. Many good ones to choose from, probably accuracy and being able to accurately hit deer and elk makes the difference I think marksmanship has gone to the way side somewhat
You should try Barnes LRX rounds for your hunting. My son has a 6.5 cm in a Weatherby Vanguard and we have harvested antelope, deer, and several elk with it and Barnes LR ammunition. All one shot kills. An interesting fact, there have probably been more moose harvested with the 6.5 Swede than any other cartridge. The 6.5 x 55 Swedish is a ballistic twin of the Creedmoor. They both punch above their weight due to a higher sectional density for terminal ballistics and a higher ballistic coefficient for external ballistics. It is a fun round and less expensive to reload for due to more efficient use of powder. Have fun with your rifle!
My particular 6.5 creed hates the 127 LRX unfortunately. This rifle has taken game with the Hornady GMX which performed well and I just got back today from an elk hunt where I used the 165 CX out of my 300 win mag. Performed incredible. Copper bullets are very impressive
@DesertRunninOutdoors Good to know about the GMX and CX. I had the same issue handlolding for my son's compact Vanguard. I was able to get it down to 2 1/2 - 3" groups, trying different powders and seating depths. Then I tried the Barnes factory LR ammo and it immediately shot 3/4" groups. First time I couldn't load more accurate than factory. Still puzzles me. Thanks for the reply and the best video on the loved/hated 6.5 Creedmoor. Great job! Liked and subscribing
I’ve always liked the LRX but never had a rifle that shot it better than other options. I’m considering trying it in my 300 win mag again, but that 165 CX load is going 3,223 and shoots sub Moa. Don’t have much reason to change…. Flat, fast, accurate all the penetration I’ll ever need. Maybe just another excuse to buy another rifle LOL! Thank you for watching and commenting as well! I have some cool videos planned for the future!
In the past this class of cartridge (small bore short action) was mostly used for deer and it's great for that. And yes it can be used on bigger things if you treat it like a bow and take only the best shots at the best angles. But I don't think a short action with a bullet smaller than 30 cal belongs on an elk or moose hunt. I'd only use a long action with a bullet 7mm or bigger or an equivalent short mag. (There are low chamber pressure exceptions that meet this and are not suitable but this is a quick and dirty generalization.)
Been using a 260 Montana. Early gun, no brake. 6.5 lbs loaded and scoped. Mild recoil with 125 partitions At 3000fps. Great performance on everything up to Nyala. Not an elk rifle but can be utilized,there are better for that. Creed is a close copy of
The best 6.5 Creed video I have ever seen...seriously great job man...spot on!! @mtnhunter5578 0 seconds ago I have been hunting with 6.5 Creed for the last 5 years on big KY Whitetails, the occasional coyote and hog. All of my ranges have been within 200 yards and it has been a hammer especially with Berger 130 OTM. Straight up the leg and center in the body....no tracking....every deer has dropped in their tracks. I have had the same results with Deer season XP.....put the bullet in the right spot and their done. Low recoil, flat shooting, same availlabilty as .308, 270, 30/06 and about the same price. Will it kill an elk sure it will, would I take it elk hunting...no I would not I think that is where 6.5 Creed gets its bad wrap....people that can't shoot or try and take game larger than it is designed for. For me, 400 yards and in..I don't think you can beat the 6.5 Creed on Deer sized game and below.
Banging steel, a static target, is fine at long range, even extream long range. I think it is a fine Deer cartridge. I don't own a 6.5 cm because I see no reason. It is not an "elk cartridge," in my opinion. It will kill anything at modest ranges with good shot placement for sure. However, living in Colorado and hunting large mule deer and large elk at longer ranges, out to 600 yards. I prefer the 300 win mag. Nobody really talks about shot time. From the time your brain says, "Squeeze the trigger," to bullet impact, there is sufficient delay time for your target to move, take a step, turn, etc. That's when the more powerful cartridge comes into play with a bonded bullet and less than perfect shot placement. Just my 2 cents. Cheers!
@@jaydemay7 I’m in a pretty similar camp as you. Originally from Oregon, now in AZ. The 6.5 creed is great for chasing antelope, mule deer, cous deer, blacktails, javelina, etc in the open desert landscapes. Even the black bears here aren’t immune to it. I too have a 300 win mag for when things get “serious”
I bought mine, a 700 ADL, because it was in the used rifle rack at BPS,the price was right, traded in a rifle I never shot, had a couple gift cards, paid $30 out pocket.
Just shot my first deer with 156gr sellier and bellot soft point spitzer. Used other lighter rounds before. Double lung with a quarter sized exit hole. I think the Swedes were on to something.
Ask the guys that find deer lost deer with blood trail dogs 6.5 bleedmore or the 6.5 cripplemore. It use to be the 270 that lost or crippled the most deer.
@@lawrencefranck9417 blood trails are far more dependent on bullet selection and shot placement than the diameter of projectile. A high lung shot with no exit out of a 300 win mag will have a significantly smaller blood trail than a low lung / heart shot that exits with a .243. “Crippling” animals has nothing to do with what piece of brass a projectile came out of…… solely depends what bullet you’re shooting and where you place it.
I would use my 6.5 cm on an elk. It is the easiest thing I’ve ever had to get on target. The recoil of the magnum cartridges get to me after just a few rounds. I think shot placement is more important than energy within reasonable distances. If you can put small groups together with the 300wm I’m happy for you. I’ve seen a lot of people that can’t. Cartridge size can not fix bad shot placement. Use what works for you. I’ve had no problems with it on whitetail and that’s probably the only thing I will ever get to use it on anyway.
Great review although I personally feel the 6.5 cripplemore is the most overrated cartridge and yes I currently own one but I haven't found anything that it does "GREAT". Its just another option and a popular one at that. I personally feel like the Hornady marketing has wamboozled a pile of people into thinking this is a magical unicorn cartridge and I just don't see anything special at all about it. The 6.5 prc does everything the creed does and does it better. The 7mm-08, my short action favorite, does everything the creed does and does it better within ethical hunting distances with more energy. I've heard grown men brag about how much less the creed recoils compared to the 308 win... WTH??? Where has America gone so wrong that grown men are fussing about the recoil of a 308 win??? I use the creed for varmint hunting and it does fine and is fun to shoot but deer and larger game animals don't drop near as quickly with the creed as they do with 7mm or 30 cal projectiles... Heck I've seen better deer killing performance from the smaller 243 win and the 25-06 than the creed offers. That Hornady Kool-Aid is being drank by a pile of people and helping keep tracking dogs busy trailing wounded deer especially when the eld x precision ammo is used!!! I'm sure my comment will cause some manginas to become swollen but that's part of the fun of cartridge reviews and comparisons. Keep the videos coming!!
OK, here's the deal....I had a creedmore, and took two Blacktail bucks with it, both medium forked horns. one at 262 yards, one at 152 yards, (ranged with Sig 2000), both bullets passed thru. Both DRT...Load was 129 gr Accubond ABLR going 2830 FPS, (chronographed), out of my 24" barrel....VERY accurate 1/2 MOA all day..... Plenty fine DEER rifle out to 300 yards IMHO. HOWEVER !... there is no way in hell that I would take it for Elk, unless I was starving or otherwise somehow Desperate, it NOT an Elk rifle, also IMHO...... ....the "Rest of the Story" : I sold it and bought a 6.5 PRC, and it IS an Elk rifle....out of the same length barrel, (24"), I'm running 3050 FPS, with a 142 gr Nosler ABLR,....also 1/2 MOA all day. Which means that at 300 yards, this bullet delivers more energy than a factory loaded 30-06.....and I know, as I've been reloading for over 60 years..... .....my thots are "Why get a Creedmore, when for near the same money you could have a 6.5 PRC?" .... think on the answer to that....I put a brake on my 6.5 prc, and it recoils LESS than my Creedmore.... ....HOWEVER, I would NOT shoot at an Elk over 400 yards personally.......Make of this post what you will, it's just my opinion........OnWard......
I’m a big fan of the ABLR’s. I actually did the opposite, I have a 6.5 cm, bought a 6.5 PRC, and sold the PRC. Only reason being, I have a 300 win mag with a brake that doesn’t recoil much at all. I shoot either 180 Norma bondstrikes at almost 3100 or 215 hybrids at 2850. I hunt coyotes and javelina a lot, so the creedmoor does perfect for those up to deer. Not having a brake is nice, and my 300 win mag never met an elk it couldn’t handle. Both are great for their design. Just need to match it to what works
Well said! The bias, fanboism and "manbun" comments are beyond silly. To be honest, I think the whole "manbun" thing was started by bald dudes who needed an avenue to vent their follicle frustrations. Let's stop talking about hair and get back to common sense and basic ballistics.
Had a custom 340 Wby magnum built in the early 1980s and it is definitely superior for large tough animals but for probably 95% of shooters the 6.5 would be far better choice. The 340 in my moderate weight rifle takes a lot of practice and a strong constitution to be competent with .
Where are these guys saying the 6.5 Creedmoor more is a long range elk cartridge? I never actually hear anyone say that except the haters. Where are these guys saying the 6.5 CM is the best cartridge for elk? There aren’t any except again the haters. Why does everyone pretend there aren’t obnoxious/annoying fanboys of other cartridges? And lastly, why are you almost apologizing for liking your 6.5 CM which you unquestionably like and enjoy hunting with?
I don’t hear it as much now. Used to hear A LOT about it when I worked at sportsman’s warehouse a while back. This is just the most recent fan fair cartridge, it was sort of the first of its kind which fuels the hate. I don’t mean to be apologetic, I was more stating I was almost on the anti bandwagon but caved, and like it.
The 6.5 Creedmoor cartridge is an excellent low recoil offering for small-stature men, women, and children. The 6.5 Creedmoor is a big game cartridge within its limitations. Attempting to take big game outside of a rifle cartridge capabilities is the failure of the hunter.
@joelodjick230 It's a want, not a need. Smaller caliber cartridges have taken big game for decades. These cartridges do have limitations. Smaller caliber cartridges are better suited for small stature men, women, and children so they can enjoy the sport without being afraid of their firearm. Bigger guys can handle more weight and recoil. Therefore, large caliber cartridges are suitable. I'd rather go after grizzly with a 338-06 A-Square than a 6.5 Creedmoor.
@@yooper7753 Everyone shoots a lighter recoiling cartridge better though. I don't think theres a "better suited" about it personally, unless what you're doing absolutely demands bigger. For sure use the biggest tool for the job but lets be honest here, no one is gonna tell their wife or kid "sure go chase a grizz with a 6.5mm"....
Every new cartridge that comes out always had its haters, the Internet just made it easier for people to post shit. 6.5x55 has been an excellent hunting round for a very long time and still highly popular in Europe and Scandinavian countries. 6.5 cm from a 24" barrel perfoms just as well.
Theres nothing wrong with it within its limitations. Guys taking way to far shot with bullets that though great for accuracy and ballistics are not made for taking animals bigger than a mule deer. The rifle/cartridge is fine at moderate distances with bonded/mono bullets made tough to handle tough stuff.
Biggest issue ive had with the 6.5 is all the outdoor media telling people to hunt with match ammo 😂 not even joking they literally were telling us to use match grade and shoot 1000 yard shots just insane.....rifles great with the proper ammo for the job
Haven't seen that much myself. Not typically a match bullet hunting guy with the exception of ELDM's on thinner skinned animals if you're not shooting something fast. Agreed, they work just fine when you pair it up well.
If the hunter does his job and the projectile is capable....it's all fine. It's when things don't go to plan that the sub .30 cal rounds start to go wrong. .30 cal punches a big enough hole to create a dependable blood stream to track with. Smaller hole can be plugged and without an exit you may get no blood. Then the dogs have to track it... And if we understand that things often don't go to plan in the woods.....
@@h4l414 eh, the entrance hole difference between a .308 and a .284 and a .264 are pretty minimal. Exit holes have a lot more to do with what bullet you’re shooting than what diameter bullet you’re pushing. Point being, the entrance hole alone from a 30 cal is not going to provide better blood than an entrance and exit from a .264. An entrance and exit hole from either with equal shot placement won’t be drastically different using equal projectiles.
@@h4l414 there’s not that much of a difference simply in bullet diameter. If an animal gets shot with a 7mm-08 vs .308 both using copper projectiles with identical shot placement you will have next to 0 difference. If you shoot a .243 with a cup and core bullet, hit the animal high in the lungs, and have no exit, there will be a huge difference than the same animal shot with a 300 wby and 200 grain accubond, hit low in the lungs with 2 holes. The difference in an expanded .264 vs an expanded .284 of equal construction shot at similar velocities is minimal in terms of exit hole size differences.
The 6.5 Creedmoor is better when used on deer at modest ranges (300 yards or less) using a true hunting bullet like the Partition, Accubond, TTSX or similar bullet.
The Barnes LRX 127gr fits the envelope really nicely for expanding at those anemic speeds, even folks running the 20 inch pea shooter barrels can use a faster powder with them to burn it all in that little thing. I've harvested enough deer with the 143 ELD-Xploding to see its performance on game. Of all the ELD-X gel test reviews you will find online the 6.5 has among the greatest cup and core separation out of all the chamberings tested. I have found this to be true on game. I downed a whitetail with a perfect broadside shot and found the bullet jacket on the opposite side of the animal but the whole core of the bullet blew up and out of him around through the top of the back - this at a slow 2700 FPS muzzle velocity! They really do a job on destroying a lot of meat and tainting the rest of the area with lead fragments. It must be something to do with the diameter because the 220gr ELD-X out of my 300PRC moving much faster don't separate like that. My remaining 6.5 ELD-X handloads have been delegated to coyote duty - seeing as they explode like a varmint bullet anyways.
Think you really nailed it when you said they're all more alike than they are different. No one is going to be able to tell the difference between a 308 or 7mm-08 or 6.5 Creedmoor wound.
It's not as much the 6.5 chambering causing the problem as manufacturers making them with 18-20 inch barrels and hunters using the widely available 143gr ELD-X(ploding) bullet on game. The 20 inch barrel is not physically capable of burning all of the powder in your box ammo - you're powder blasting the projectile with unspent powder, second you lose 150-200 fps from the same round with a 24-26 inch barrel, and finally you are using a cup in core bullet that has been proven many times to have the worst cup and core separation in the whole ELD-X lineup. I'll take a 24-26 inch barrel using Barnes TTSX or LRX in 6.5 creed over a 20 inch barrel 6.5PRC or even 7PRC any day.
It’s all about creating a good match. I love diesel, but putting it in my wife’s car is a terrible combo. Same idea. There’s nothing inherently wrong with the .264 diameters effectiveness on game as you said.
Read around on the Rokslide forums, the 143 ELD X doesn’t have that rep there in the least, or ELD Xs in general. I smoked a 225 pound lb hog behind the ear a few months ago with a 103 grain ELD X in a 6 ARC bolt gun at 220ish yards. Bullet sized entry and quarter sized exit. Hardly exploding. They can tend to fragment a bit at times but 60-70% stay together and the shrapnel does great collateral damage. Kill fast and make good blood trails. It’s ideal.
It's not the CM that is the problem it's the people who use it. 6.5x55 has worked forever now and the two are identical to each other. But only CM guys will fluff numbers and sell the CM to be way more than it is. Case in point you can watch a video right here on TH-cam of a boob shoot a moose 8 time with a 6.5cm then brag how well he and it performed.
@clayburnham3223 that's the point I'm making. The users of the CM push it way past what it is overblowing its actual performance causing issues. Like I said it's not the round it's the people.
This reminds me of when the 264 came out and all the bad publicly it got😳 after 60+ years of hunting reloading and collecting rifles and at my last est about 2,400 over the years I find the 6.5 is a great range gun and a great deer gun but lacking the muscle needed to be an elk gun! Will it work yes but is it a good choice not really! One of my 4 sons hunted with it for years when it first came out and took a lot of deer because of the light recoil and being able to hit on target easier, but in a bit perfect situation it even lacks in a deer rifle and that’s where the 270,30-06 cartridges surpass it. 6.5 has lots of ammo choices too. We owe it to the game we hunt to do was I think Robert Rourk once said To use enough Gun!
I agree. I’ve shot this rifle more than any other by a margin most likely. It just works. It’s great for deer, javelina, antelope, etc. inside about 500 yards. It’s great to take to the range, great to go practice at distance in the desert, great backup gun for friends on deer hunts, etc. it’s just very well rounded. My 300 win mag comes out when I’m elk hunting, or deer hunting with my dad, who also loves this rifle 🤣
180 yards perfect shot on a black bear , should have taken both lungs and heart. but bear ran off. one week latter, another bear is taken at 7 yards front neck shot DRT, when processing find it was the bear shot the week before, the Hornady 143 eld precision hunter disintegrated in the first half inch of bear with the biggest part just under the rib it did not even pernitrate the membrane on the inside of the ribs.
Sounds like a misinterpretation of evidence or a straight up b.s. story. I've put much softer constructed bullets with much less sectional density through bears. A 143gr eldx not penetrate the ribs? Sounds like someone has a dislike of a particular bullet enough to try to trash it with a lie.
That is quite a fishy story…. I shot a descent sized mule deer facing me at 25ish yards in the brisket area when I was 15. I was using the almighty 80 grain core lokt out my .243. If that combo made it through the brisket and killed that deer, I find it tough to believe the black bear story.
I absolutely kno 6.5 creed will kill game. But is there better tools for the task. Yes. Pretty much anything else is better at killing. But 6.5 creedmore has its place. Just not in my hands. I'm a 30cal guy
I think it really depends what the game is…. Elk? Most certainly better choices. Deer? Javelina? Eh. They’re all pretty equal in the short action realm. I have several buddies that shoots .308’s. They don’t kill bucks any faster than my creed. My 300 win mag is a different story.
@@DesertRunninOutdoors one of my coworkers hunts javelina exclusively with a 10mm Glock, i dont know why. Hes a former LEO so maybe hes getting some fantasy out or something idk.
That’s not exactly true buddy. You could hand pick for them that make one superior to the other, but equal load to equal load the 6.5 is quite superior to the .243, particularly outside 250ish yards. The creedmoor outruns most older loads in .270 as well. Newer .270 loadings are nasty, but what most people traditionally shot in .270 don’t compete ON PAPER past 300 yards as well. (General ranges, you get the idea)
According to Noslers website the 142 grain ABLR out of a 6.5 creed has 1509 ftlbs of energy at 300 yards (average big game animal shot). The 150 grain ABLR out of a 270 win is at 1905 ftlbs of energy at the same distance. I like the creed and the 270, I have both. I think the creed is an excellent deer and antelope cartridge but if I’m hunting elk or bear I’m taking the 270. That’s not to say you can’t kill either of those with the 6.5
Nice balanced chat on the topic. Well done navigating the minefield 😂. It’s a good round. 👍🏼
Spot on review and exactly how i see the 6.5CM. I guide in Africa and have great success with my 6.5 CM’s. My choice for all plains game for clients. 143Eldx or 120 TTSX works magic. Good bullets placed well will get the job done 👌🏻
It’s been a good performer for me on say 200 pound animals and under! Good combo
Federal Terminal Ascent work very well too.
Best 6.5 cm review ive seen.I have the same rifle and love it !
I got the Tikka in 7mm08 just recently, I hope that it works as well as I've heard.
I call tikka's boring..... they're not "fancy" per say, they just work. It's shoot most things really well. Having a boring rifle in a boring cartridge is awesome.
I have 8 different .264 caliber pill pushers in my arsenal. .260 Rem, 2-6.5x284's, 3-6.5 CM's, 2-6.5 grendels. I've put more people in to the 1,000yd club behind a 6.5 Creedmor than any other caliber I own. And the look on their face when they see that impact...and then hear the impact is priceless! I've used the creedmor on Pronghorn out to 520yds with no issues. A good friend in Wyoming has a sister that's taken bull elk with hers at that distance. The caveat with using a 6.5 on game larger than mule deer is limiting yourself to distances that allow a bullet to penetrate AND expand "if it's designed to--like the ELD's". I think the .264's are also a more budget friendly way to shoot ELR as well. I love shooting my 338LM but pulling the trigger on that thing is expensive and my go to hunting rifle, 28 Nosler, isn't cheap to shoot either, and I reload for both.
I was hunting elk last year with a guy who was using the 6.5 cm, he shoots really well. He shot a bull and killed it at 560 yds, I was was definitely surprised.
It’s a very easy cartridge to shoot. Putting it where it belongs usually works out.
Shot my elk with 6.5 437 yards double lung shot it went 12’ from where it was shot. Nosler 140g ballistic tip.
Month prior Mule deer 286 yard heart shot.
Ammo plays a huge part for the 6.5
Yes it kills. But if you go by energy then 450 yards is the max. 400 should be max for an elk. I also have seen my friend shoot an elk at 400 yards with the 143 eldx and it took 5 shots all shots where they need to be. With that note elk will take a 300 win and brush it off like a was a bee sting also. So how can we say what is right or wrong.
Ammo plays a huge role in any caliber.@@rickh6595
@@randysmith8604Go with an all copper like the Barnes LRX. Kills better, no lead in your meat, and you can calculate max range with fps. With the .264 127gr and .277 129gr LRXs you need 1700-1800 fps for these bullets to do their job... and they do it well. I will never go back to a cup and core bullet like accubonds or eldx for hunting. Just witnessed too many negative experiences with them. With Barnes, all I have had is Bang, Plop, DRT. Around 40 elk and many antelope and deer.
Cheers
The only thing more annoying than 6.5 Creedmoor fanbois are the superior snobs who are too cool to admit they like the cartridge.
Good video.
Have run into WAY more of the latter....personally, the former are near a mythical creature IMO
I’ll admit. I was one of those big 6.5 Creed haters. And then the opportunity presented itself with my biggest buck to date, and the rifle in my hands? A TC Compass, chambered in none other than 6.5 Creed! 307 yards and it was a bang flop through the lungs. It changed my perspective instantly. I now own my own 6.5Creed and it’s by far my most favorite hunting rifle I own. So much so that when my 300wm crapped out due to the barrel bore CHIPPING. I sold my 300wm and confidently hunted Elk with my 6.5! Shooting 140gr Accubonds at 2707fps with a max effective range on elk being 470yds, i was more than accepting of that. I was a doubter, and now I’m a lover of this cartridge. Is it the absolute best? Hell no. But is it capable, easy to shoot, and affordable (in today’s economy LOL), heck yes it is. And I have zero concern with it either.
I really enjoyed your discussion. I'm the 7mm08 guy but have been considering the creedmore. Just subscribed!
I realy like how you talk you make good sense some times good ole common sense is the best answer
My first centerfire rifle when I was maybe 10 was a 6.5x55. I went to the 260 Remington in the mid80s. Got introduced to 308 in the late 80s in the Navy and stuck with it for 30 years.
I've only recently started with the 6.5CM. I like it. I like it a lot.
Nice presentation
Agree, it's a very shootable cartridge for most shooters, it's inherently accurate slapping steel at long range and killing bucks. Benefit of it will vary in geographics with no open land but it shoots great at 100 yards so why not.
@@ryanglass3570 I picked up 60 boxes of Winchester Select 125gr OTM under $15 a box along with a case of the Winchester 125 all copper hunting load (I forget the name) at $19 a box. Picked up several single and double boxes different hunting loads of various weights to mess around with. Figure I have enough ammo, bullets, primers and powder to last the rest of my life unless an armed conflict breaks out in the US 😎
I purchased a 6.5 cm. This year simply because i wanted a low recoil med distance deer rifle mine is browning xbolt stalker it shoots Winchester powerpoint ammo 129 gr. Into a 1 inch circle at 110 ' plenty accurate for where i hunt
My rifle loves the 129 SST Superformance. Have had very good luck with it.
I love the guys that think the 243 is a great deer round but the 6.5 creedmoor is crap. 🤷🏻♂️
Deer isn’t big game
@ you must be a 243 fan
6.5 creed is way bigger than 243 but nobody says anything bad about it really it's the Sam's weight bullet as 308 143 gran the problem is 60 percent of people are using target ammo at game or taking to long a shot
Only dumb people say that
Excellent discussion! Thanks for sharing.
Pretty sure the purpose of the 6.5CM's creation was to duplicate 6.5x55 in a short action cartridge. Maybe that wasn't their intent, but that's exactly what they ended up doing. You can't really shoot hot loads out of one of the old Krag Jorgensens, but you can out of the Swedish M96 small ring Mausers, and every other new 6.5x55, like my T3X. That said, I prefer the heavier, slower, premium, high SD bullets like Norma Oryx 156 gr, Woodleigh Weldcore 160 gr, and Lapua Mega 155 gr. Within reason, MV, in my experience, isn't a great substitute for SD. Doesn't matter a lot on thin-skinned, light-boned animals like white tails, black tails, and mulies, but it can matter quite a bit for larger, tougher animals like elk, moose, zebra, and wildebeest.
It shortens my range a bit, but with those premium bullets, I'll shoot at nearly anything from any shot angle, including elk. The Swedes and Norwegians have had great success on Scandinavian moose, caribou, and red deer with the venerable 6.5x55. It sure isn't a 500 yard moose/elk cartridge, but out to 200 or 250 yards, with appropriate shot placement, it kills with the monotonous predictability of gravity. My 6.5x55 worked like a champ on a recent safari (so did my 9.3x62, but that's another story for another day).
The 6.5 creedmoor will take any game that you need to shoot. If not you are a poor shot.
What up Matt :) thought I recognized your face 😜
Well-rounded discussion. Good job! One thing I think people forget is that rifles aren't shotguns. You have to place each shot on target - not just get close. The 6.5 CM is, at its core, a short action 6.5x55. The Scandinavians have been using the 6.5x55 for everything up to and including moose. It works and has worked since 1900. Of course, the Scandinavians are very big on shot placement and heavy for caliber bullets. Since we know (via the Scandinavians) what the 6.5 CM is capable of, it becomes our responsibility to choose the right bullets for what we are hunting (exactly as you said in the video). The advantages we have with the 6.5 CM is the great variety of different bullets that can be used, and the fact that it was designed from the start to include an increased case life for reloaders.
I agree 100% - right bullet, on target, reasonable range, and you have meat in your freezers.
I just bought a 6.5 creedmoor for the pa woods, the 140 grain core lokt should do the trick on them.
I do love this topic. People have been hunting elk with flying pointy sticks for multiple millennia at this point and people saying you can not or should not use 6.5CM are making an emotional statement responding to the 6.5CM fanboys. As long as you take and make a reasonable shot with a good bullet from a decent distance, I have not found an animal that knows the difference between 6.5CM and nearly anything else to include bull elk. They all die. That being said, I don't shoot at animals beyond 350-400 yards and generally work to get within 250 yards if I can. I also usually don't decide to take the 6.5CM over something that might make more sense when the thought arises. I have used my 308 Sig Cross for most things the last 2-3 years.
I have a Howa 1500 heavy 26" barrel 6.5 Creedmoor and use 130 grain Terminal Ascent with a 2.5×10-56 Trijicon scope and I love it
That’s a great combo! Probably crazy accurate
Common sense! More people need to think like this and quit believing all of the over hype.This rounds suffers from so many that really have no idea or experience hunting.They buy based on the marketing hype,but the ammo based on the marketing hype,then go out and it fails. As you said,and my forty plus years of hunting has shown,any cartridge is a good cartridge if you understand it's capabilities, performance window,and the right bullet selection. Great video,keep up the good work.
cool thanks i just picked up a 6.5 for deer hunting
I don't have anything against the Creedmoor. I just stick with what I'm familiar with. I was born and raised in Oregon and have killed Mulies, Blacktails and Roosevelt Elk with a .243 shooting 100 grain Nosler Partitions. All shots were within 300 yards and none of them went far after being hit. It's all about shot placement and having a bullet that has deep penetration. With that being said I have also taken critters with a 7mm Rem Mag and .300 Win Mag under similar conditions and the result was the same. I have seen people lose bulls that were shot with a .375 H&H because of poor shot placement and frangible bullets that basically blew up when they hit and didn't penetrate. If I find a rifle that I really like and its chambered in 6.5 Creedmoor its still coming home with me.
The Man-Bun cartridge!
Great video…I’m not a hater…I just don’t buy into everyone’s hype.
Haha thank you! It seems like there’s one side of the fence telling you it’s the best cartridge ever, and the other screaming it’s terrible. It’s not terrible, but it’s not magical either. It is “boring” in the sense it does what it’s supposed to. It’s crazy accurate and precise at long range, so that’s cool. For hunting, it’s a good deer gun. Not much to it aside from that 😂
What hype and who is "everyone"?
You most certainly are a hater
Ill stick with the .260.
Same thing
Honestly it does the job, it’s a good round within its capabilities, yep there is better rounds out there. Many good ones to choose from, probably accuracy and being able to accurately hit deer and elk makes the difference I think marksmanship has gone to the way side somewhat
Hi man good video....I used a 30-06 for over 30 years an ied wouldn't trade it for any of that creedmoor crap...am sorry...
@@davidlantz4560 30-06 works just fine! Had one for a quite a while. Wish I still had it.
You should try Barnes LRX rounds for your hunting. My son has a 6.5 cm in a Weatherby Vanguard and we have harvested antelope, deer, and several elk with it and Barnes LR ammunition. All one shot kills.
An interesting fact, there have probably been more moose harvested with the 6.5 Swede than any other cartridge. The 6.5 x 55 Swedish is a ballistic twin of the Creedmoor. They both punch above their weight due to a higher sectional density for terminal ballistics and a higher ballistic coefficient for external ballistics. It is a fun round and less expensive to reload for due to more efficient use of powder. Have fun with your rifle!
My particular 6.5 creed hates the 127 LRX unfortunately. This rifle has taken game with the Hornady GMX which performed well and I just got back today from an elk hunt where I used the 165 CX out of my 300 win mag. Performed incredible. Copper bullets are very impressive
@DesertRunninOutdoors Good to know about the GMX and CX. I had the same issue handlolding for my son's compact Vanguard. I was able to get it down to 2 1/2 - 3" groups, trying different powders and seating depths. Then I tried the Barnes factory LR ammo and it immediately shot 3/4" groups. First time I couldn't load more accurate than factory. Still puzzles me.
Thanks for the reply and the best video on the loved/hated 6.5 Creedmoor. Great job! Liked and subscribing
I’ve always liked the LRX but never had a rifle that shot it better than other options. I’m considering trying it in my 300 win mag again, but that 165 CX load is going 3,223 and shoots sub Moa. Don’t have much reason to change…. Flat, fast, accurate all the penetration I’ll ever need. Maybe just another excuse to buy another rifle LOL!
Thank you for watching and commenting as well! I have some cool videos planned for the future!
It’s crazy how you have 6.5 cm and a weatherby element we got the same taste in hunting 😁 thanks for the review!!
That’s awesome!! Thank you!
In the past this class of cartridge (small bore short action) was mostly used for deer and it's great for that. And yes it can be used on bigger things if you treat it like a bow and take only the best shots at the best angles. But I don't think a short action with a bullet smaller than 30 cal belongs on an elk or moose hunt. I'd only use a long action with a bullet 7mm or bigger or an equivalent short mag. (There are low chamber pressure exceptions that meet this and are not suitable but this is a quick and dirty generalization.)
Been using a 260 Montana. Early gun, no brake. 6.5 lbs loaded and scoped. Mild recoil with 125 partitions At 3000fps. Great performance on everything up to Nyala. Not an elk rifle but can be utilized,there are better for that. Creed is a close copy of
The best 6.5 Creed video I have ever seen...seriously great job man...spot on!!
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I have been hunting with 6.5 Creed for the last 5 years on big KY Whitetails, the occasional coyote and hog. All of my ranges have been within 200 yards and it has been a hammer especially with Berger 130 OTM. Straight up the leg and center in the body....no tracking....every deer has dropped in their tracks. I have had the same results with Deer season XP.....put the bullet in the right spot and their done. Low recoil, flat shooting, same availlabilty as .308, 270, 30/06 and about the same price. Will it kill an elk sure it will, would I take it elk hunting...no I would not I think that is where 6.5 Creed gets its bad wrap....people that can't shoot or try and take game larger than it is designed for. For me, 400 yards and in..I don't think you can beat the 6.5 Creed on Deer sized game and below.
Banging steel, a static target, is fine at long range, even extream long range. I think it is a fine Deer cartridge. I don't own a 6.5 cm because I see no reason. It is not an "elk cartridge," in my opinion. It will kill anything at modest ranges with good shot placement for sure. However, living in Colorado and hunting large mule deer and large elk at longer ranges, out to 600 yards. I prefer the 300 win mag. Nobody really talks about shot time. From the time your brain says, "Squeeze the trigger," to bullet impact, there is sufficient delay time for your target to move, take a step, turn, etc. That's when the more powerful cartridge comes into play with a bonded bullet and less than perfect shot placement. Just my 2 cents. Cheers!
@@jaydemay7 I’m in a pretty similar camp as you. Originally from Oregon, now in AZ. The 6.5 creed is great for chasing antelope, mule deer, cous deer, blacktails, javelina, etc in the open desert landscapes. Even the black bears here aren’t immune to it. I too have a 300 win mag for when things get “serious”
Whats the difference in time of flight between your 300 WM and a 6.5CM of similar construction out to 600 yards?
@@joelodjick230 Either side of 1 second.
@@jaydemay7 Cool I've only ever shot paper that far out so no real feedback on flight time, but figured they can't be much different.
I bought mine, a 700 ADL, because it was in the used rifle rack at BPS,the price was right, traded in a rifle I never shot, had a couple gift cards, paid $30 out pocket.
Sensible take. Pretty good all round medium game rifle for here in Australia
Just shot my first deer with 156gr sellier and bellot soft point spitzer. Used other lighter rounds before. Double lung with a quarter sized exit hole. I think the Swedes were on to something.
My Creedmoor has printed a .1 MOA group and averages about .5 MOA. I've used it on 2 animals (a coyote and a hog) and both were down instantly
My Weatherby 6.5 vanguard shoots .3 moa with hornady factory loads, I don’t think I’ll buy any other rifle then Weatherby if I’m buying new.
Ask the guys that find deer lost deer with blood trail dogs 6.5 bleedmore or the 6.5 cripplemore. It use to be the 270 that lost or crippled the most deer.
@@lawrencefranck9417 blood trails are far more dependent on bullet selection and shot placement than the diameter of projectile. A high lung shot with no exit out of a 300 win mag will have a significantly smaller blood trail than a low lung / heart shot that exits with a .243.
“Crippling” animals has nothing to do with what piece of brass a projectile came out of…… solely depends what bullet you’re shooting and where you place it.
I would use my 6.5 cm on an elk. It is the easiest thing I’ve ever had to get on target. The recoil of the magnum cartridges get to me after just a few rounds. I think shot placement is more important than energy within reasonable distances. If you can put small groups together with the 300wm I’m happy for you. I’ve seen a lot of people that can’t. Cartridge size can not fix bad shot placement. Use what works for you. I’ve had no problems with it on whitetail and that’s probably the only thing I will ever get to use it on anyway.
Great review although I personally feel the 6.5 cripplemore is the most overrated cartridge and yes I currently own one but I haven't found anything that it does "GREAT". Its just another option and a popular one at that. I personally feel like the Hornady marketing has wamboozled a pile of people into thinking this is a magical unicorn cartridge and I just don't see anything special at all about it. The 6.5 prc does everything the creed does and does it better. The 7mm-08, my short action favorite, does everything the creed does and does it better within ethical hunting distances with more energy. I've heard grown men brag about how much less the creed recoils compared to the 308 win... WTH??? Where has America gone so wrong that grown men are fussing about the recoil of a 308 win??? I use the creed for varmint hunting and it does fine and is fun to shoot but deer and larger game animals don't drop near as quickly with the creed as they do with 7mm or 30 cal projectiles... Heck I've seen better deer killing performance from the smaller 243 win and the 25-06 than the creed offers. That Hornady Kool-Aid is being drank by a pile of people and helping keep tracking dogs busy trailing wounded deer especially when the eld x precision ammo is used!!! I'm sure my comment will cause some manginas to become swollen but that's part of the fun of cartridge reviews and comparisons. Keep the videos coming!!
I have a Savage Axis 2 6.5 Creedmoor. Great rifle. It likes heavier projectiles. Federal Fusion 140g works great for me.
I’m a big federal fusion fan! Sounds like a great setup.
it seems it wasn't until Facebook groups became prevalent that the 6.5 creedmoor got popular.
OK, here's the deal....I had a creedmore, and took two Blacktail bucks with it, both medium forked horns. one at 262 yards, one at 152 yards, (ranged with Sig 2000), both bullets passed thru. Both DRT...Load was 129 gr Accubond ABLR going 2830 FPS, (chronographed), out of my 24" barrel....VERY accurate 1/2 MOA all day.....
Plenty fine DEER rifle out to 300 yards IMHO. HOWEVER !... there is no way in hell that I would take it for Elk, unless I was starving or otherwise somehow Desperate, it NOT an Elk rifle, also IMHO......
....the "Rest of the Story" : I sold it and bought a 6.5 PRC, and it IS an Elk rifle....out of the same length barrel, (24"), I'm running 3050 FPS, with a 142 gr Nosler ABLR,....also 1/2 MOA all day. Which means that at 300 yards, this bullet delivers more energy than a factory loaded 30-06.....and I know, as I've been reloading for over 60 years.....
.....my thots are "Why get a Creedmore, when for near the same money you could have a 6.5 PRC?" .... think on the answer to that....I put a brake on my 6.5 prc, and it recoils LESS than my Creedmore....
....HOWEVER, I would NOT shoot at an Elk over 400 yards personally.......Make of this post what you will, it's just my opinion........OnWard......
I’m a big fan of the ABLR’s. I actually did the opposite, I have a 6.5 cm, bought a 6.5 PRC, and sold the PRC. Only reason being, I have a 300 win mag with a brake that doesn’t recoil much at all. I shoot either 180 Norma bondstrikes at almost 3100 or 215 hybrids at 2850.
I hunt coyotes and javelina a lot, so the creedmoor does perfect for those up to deer. Not having a brake is nice, and my 300 win mag never met an elk it couldn’t handle. Both are great for their design. Just need to match it to what works
Well said! The bias, fanboism and "manbun" comments are beyond silly. To be honest, I think the whole "manbun" thing was started by bald dudes who needed an avenue to vent their follicle frustrations. Let's stop talking about hair and get back to common sense and basic ballistics.
Had a custom 340 Wby magnum built in the early 1980s and it is definitely superior for large tough animals but for probably 95% of shooters the 6.5 would be far better choice. The 340 in my moderate weight rifle takes a lot of practice and a strong constitution to be competent with .
Where are these guys saying the 6.5 Creedmoor more is a long range elk cartridge? I never actually hear anyone say that except the haters. Where are these guys saying the 6.5 CM is the best cartridge for elk? There aren’t any except again the haters.
Why does everyone pretend there aren’t obnoxious/annoying fanboys of other cartridges?
And lastly, why are you almost apologizing for liking your 6.5 CM which you unquestionably like and enjoy hunting with?
I don’t hear it as much now. Used to hear A LOT about it when I worked at sportsman’s warehouse a while back.
This is just the most recent fan fair cartridge, it was sort of the first of its kind which fuels the hate.
I don’t mean to be apologetic, I was more stating I was almost on the anti bandwagon but caved, and like it.
I'd say it's perfect for hunting man size game.
The 6.5 Creedmoor cartridge is an excellent low recoil offering for small-stature men, women, and children.
The 6.5 Creedmoor is a big game cartridge within its limitations.
Attempting to take big game outside of a rifle cartridge capabilities is the failure of the hunter.
Its weird how bigger guys need more gun than smaller guys, women and children lol
@joelodjick230 It's a want, not a need. Smaller caliber cartridges have taken big game for decades. These cartridges do have limitations.
Smaller caliber cartridges are better suited for small stature men, women, and children so they can enjoy the sport without being afraid of their firearm.
Bigger guys can handle more weight and recoil. Therefore, large caliber cartridges are suitable.
I'd rather go after grizzly with a 338-06 A-Square than a 6.5 Creedmoor.
@@yooper7753 Everyone shoots a lighter recoiling cartridge better though. I don't think theres a "better suited" about it personally, unless what you're doing absolutely demands bigger.
For sure use the biggest tool for the job but lets be honest here, no one is gonna tell their wife or kid "sure go chase a grizz with a 6.5mm"....
Every new cartridge that comes out always had its haters, the Internet just made it easier for people to post shit.
6.5x55 has been an excellent hunting round for a very long time and still highly popular in Europe and Scandinavian countries.
6.5 cm from a 24" barrel perfoms just as well.
Theres nothing wrong with it within its limitations. Guys taking way to far shot with bullets that though great for accuracy and ballistics are not made for taking animals bigger than a mule deer. The rifle/cartridge is fine at moderate distances with bonded/mono bullets made tough to handle tough stuff.
👍 agreed
Biggest issue ive had with the 6.5 is all the outdoor media telling people to hunt with match ammo 😂 not even joking they literally were telling us to use match grade and shoot 1000 yard shots just insane.....rifles great with the proper ammo for the job
Who in outdoor media is telling people to shoot game at 1000 yds with the 6.5 cm?
Haven't seen that much myself. Not typically a match bullet hunting guy with the exception of ELDM's on thinner skinned animals if you're not shooting something fast. Agreed, they work just fine when you pair it up well.
Well said.....
Thank you
Boolit placement, job will be completed. My deer went 3 ft upon hit. Straight down.
This was impressive you could give a review on the 6.5 creedmoor without wearing a man bun , well done
Haha I cut it off right before the video 😉🤣 thank you
If the hunter does his job and the projectile is capable....it's all fine.
It's when things don't go to plan that the sub .30 cal rounds start to go wrong. .30 cal punches a big enough hole to create a dependable blood stream to track with. Smaller hole can be plugged and without an exit you may get no blood. Then the dogs have to track it...
And if we understand that things often don't go to plan in the woods.....
@@h4l414 eh, the entrance hole difference between a .308 and a .284 and a .264 are pretty minimal. Exit holes have a lot more to do with what bullet you’re shooting than what diameter bullet you’re pushing.
Point being, the entrance hole alone from a 30 cal is not going to provide better blood than an entrance and exit from a .264. An entrance and exit hole from either with equal shot placement won’t be drastically different using equal projectiles.
@DesertRunninOutdoors We run tracking dogs, we see the difference all the time
@@h4l414 there’s not that much of a difference simply in bullet diameter. If an animal gets shot with a 7mm-08 vs .308 both using copper projectiles with identical shot placement you will have next to 0 difference. If you shoot a .243 with a cup and core bullet, hit the animal high in the lungs, and have no exit, there will be a huge difference than the same animal shot with a 300 wby and 200 grain accubond, hit low in the lungs with 2 holes.
The difference in an expanded .264 vs an expanded .284 of equal construction shot at similar velocities is minimal in terms of exit hole size differences.
The 6.5 Creedmoor is better when used on deer at modest ranges (300 yards or less) using a true hunting bullet like the Partition, Accubond, TTSX or similar bullet.
The Barnes LRX 127gr fits the envelope really nicely for expanding at those anemic speeds, even folks running the 20 inch pea shooter barrels can use a faster powder with them to burn it all in that little thing. I've harvested enough deer with the 143 ELD-Xploding to see its performance on game. Of all the ELD-X gel test reviews you will find online the 6.5 has among the greatest cup and core separation out of all the chamberings tested. I have found this to be true on game. I downed a whitetail with a perfect broadside shot and found the bullet jacket on the opposite side of the animal but the whole core of the bullet blew up and out of him around through the top of the back - this at a slow 2700 FPS muzzle velocity! They really do a job on destroying a lot of meat and tainting the rest of the area with lead fragments. It must be something to do with the diameter because the 220gr ELD-X out of my 300PRC moving much faster don't separate like that. My remaining 6.5 ELD-X handloads have been delegated to coyote duty - seeing as they explode like a varmint bullet anyways.
Think you really nailed it when you said they're all more alike than they are different. No one is going to be able to tell the difference between a 308 or 7mm-08 or 6.5 Creedmoor wound.
yeah, it's the people talking about the 6.5 creedmoor that bug me.
Wish my Savage Ashbury Precision Creedmoor didn't weigh 18.7 pounds......😊.Wait! My Axis II only weighs 9.8 pounds.
I hunted with a Tikka 6.5cm for one season. I killed two deer with it and I much prefer the 7mm-08 for terminal performance. ELDx sucks in 6.5.
try the terminal ascent
Not a huge ELD-X fan overall. Haven't noticed much difference between .308/7-08/6.5 creed
6.5 creedmoor is excellent
My avatar name where do you think I stand on the subject 😂
I'm guessing you have a man bun?!?
@@JoJo-pg1kq In .264 I shoot 6.5 PRC so no.
It's not as much the 6.5 chambering causing the problem as manufacturers making them with 18-20 inch barrels and hunters using the widely available 143gr ELD-X(ploding) bullet on game.
The 20 inch barrel is not physically capable of burning all of the powder in your box ammo - you're powder blasting the projectile with unspent powder, second you lose 150-200 fps from the same round with a 24-26 inch barrel, and finally you are using a cup in core bullet that has been proven many times to have the worst cup and core separation in the whole ELD-X lineup.
I'll take a 24-26 inch barrel using Barnes TTSX or LRX in 6.5 creed over a 20 inch barrel 6.5PRC or even 7PRC any day.
It’s all about creating a good match. I love diesel, but putting it in my wife’s car is a terrible combo. Same idea. There’s nothing inherently wrong with the .264 diameters effectiveness on game as you said.
Read around on the Rokslide forums, the 143 ELD X doesn’t have that rep there in the least, or ELD Xs in general.
I smoked a 225 pound lb hog behind the ear a few months ago with a 103 grain ELD X in a 6 ARC bolt gun at 220ish yards. Bullet sized entry and quarter sized exit. Hardly exploding.
They can tend to fragment a bit at times but 60-70% stay together and the shrapnel does great collateral damage. Kill fast and make good blood trails. It’s ideal.
It's not the CM that is the problem it's the people who use it. 6.5x55 has worked forever now and the two are identical to each other. But only CM guys will fluff numbers and sell the CM to be way more than it is. Case in point you can watch a video right here on TH-cam of a boob shoot a moose 8 time with a 6.5cm then brag how well he and it performed.
That idiot shot the wrong bullet at way too long a range. Good bullet at decent range it works no issue
@clayburnham3223 that's the point I'm making. The users of the CM push it way past what it is overblowing its actual performance causing issues. Like I said it's not the round it's the people.
95% of folks that bash the 6.5 have never owned one…
There's those who hate it and those that own one.
97gr Absolute Hammers. Easy 3300fps.
To behonest, it's a slow killer. Moderate velocity equals slow kills. I've had one since it was introduced. Right bullet and shot placement is key.
This reminds me of when the 264 came out and all the bad publicly it got😳 after 60+ years of hunting reloading and collecting rifles and at my last est about 2,400 over the years I find the 6.5 is a great range gun and a great deer gun but lacking the muscle needed to be an elk gun! Will it work yes but is it a good choice not really! One of my 4 sons hunted with it for years when it first came out and took a lot of deer because of the light recoil and being able to hit on target easier, but in a bit perfect situation it even lacks in a deer rifle and that’s where the 270,30-06 cartridges surpass it. 6.5 has lots of ammo choices too. We owe it to the game we hunt to do was I think Robert Rourk once said To use enough Gun!
I agree. I’ve shot this rifle more than any other by a margin most likely. It just works. It’s great for deer, javelina, antelope, etc. inside about 500 yards. It’s great to take to the range, great to go practice at distance in the desert, great backup gun for friends on deer hunts, etc. it’s just very well rounded. My 300 win mag comes out when I’m elk hunting, or deer hunting with my dad, who also loves this rifle 🤣
No
Garbage big game round. If anyone has one, message me and I’ll give you my address to send me all your ammo.
180 yards perfect shot on a black bear , should have taken both lungs and heart. but bear ran off.
one week latter, another bear is taken at 7 yards front neck shot DRT, when processing find it was the bear shot the week before,
the Hornady 143 eld precision hunter disintegrated in the first half inch of bear with the biggest part just under the rib it did not even pernitrate the membrane on the inside of the ribs.
Sounds like a bullet issue not cartridge.
Like the last reply said, bullet failure, not cartridge most likely. Monolithic bullet would have penetrated.
Sounds like a misinterpretation of evidence or a straight up b.s. story. I've put much softer constructed bullets with much less sectional density through bears. A 143gr eldx not penetrate the ribs? Sounds like someone has a dislike of a particular bullet enough to try to trash it with a lie.
I call bullshit on that story
That is quite a fishy story…. I shot a descent sized mule deer facing me at 25ish yards in the brisket area when I was 15. I was using the almighty 80 grain core lokt out my .243. If that combo made it through the brisket and killed that deer, I find it tough to believe the black bear story.
I absolutely kno 6.5 creed will kill game. But is there better tools for the task. Yes. Pretty much anything else is better at killing. But 6.5 creedmore has its place. Just not in my hands. I'm a 30cal guy
I think it really depends what the game is…. Elk? Most certainly better choices. Deer? Javelina? Eh. They’re all pretty equal in the short action realm. I have several buddies that shoots .308’s. They don’t kill bucks any faster than my creed. My 300 win mag is a different story.
For medium game it’s perfect. Large game, there are better options.
I like antiques too!!!!
@@DesertRunninOutdoors one of my coworkers hunts javelina exclusively with a 10mm Glock, i dont know why. Hes a former LEO so maybe hes getting some fantasy out or something idk.
The 6.5 needmore is a good target round bout it
If you like the 270 you give up nothing with the creedmore
I think the 270 has a bit more killing power than 6.5 but the creedmore is valid hunting rifle as well
You give up 500ft lbs of energy that is about 20% compared to the creed it’s a lot especially for long range, 6.5creed compares more to a .243
@@SelfRescueSurvival ok let’s hear how you get 500ftlbs more? I’ll give you maybe 300
That’s not exactly true buddy. You could hand pick for them that make one superior to the other, but equal load to equal load the 6.5 is quite superior to the .243, particularly outside 250ish yards. The creedmoor outruns most older loads in .270 as well. Newer .270 loadings are nasty, but what most people traditionally shot in .270 don’t compete ON PAPER past 300 yards as well. (General ranges, you get the idea)
According to Noslers website the 142 grain ABLR out of a 6.5 creed has 1509 ftlbs of energy at 300 yards (average big game animal shot). The 150 grain ABLR out of a 270 win is at 1905 ftlbs of energy at the same distance. I like the creed and the 270, I have both. I think the creed is an excellent deer and antelope cartridge but if I’m hunting elk or bear I’m taking the 270. That’s not to say you can’t kill either of those with the 6.5
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Your an idiot
Many guys here in western PA tried it hate it sold it , accurate but doesn’t seem to do well on deer