Fault Finding a Scary Lighting Circuit - Electrician Life
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- Fault finding a scary lighting circuit - Electrician Life.
Join Cory as he continues untangling the mess of wires at the job where I fitted the AFDD consumer unit. The installation has originally been done in a very strange way by the previous property owner and it takes Cory a lot of head-scratching to figure out what was going on!
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_"It's not old school, it's no school!"_ Corey 2021
Lol i laughed so hard when he said that hahahhaha
Finally the tone generator gets the recognition it deserves 😂
I was a telephone engineer and I'm watching this shouting at the screen "get an amp and oscillator, for the love of Faraday" 😉
Can tell Cory is more of an industrial spark than a domestic lol good vid lad 👍🏼
I like industrial better than domestic😄 but its not bad to learn domestic for a while as apprentice
When I see stuff like this, I just go to my pre rehearsed speech "your house needs a rewire"
Cory is going to be a great star in the Sparky world !
Hi Corey, The wiring that you had to deal with was unbelievable. A real head scratcher with a lot of swear words muttered (quietly). Well done for keeping your cool. I loved the line “they were kind of ahead of their time”. 😃🇦🇺
Food, music, electrical, … it’s all good.
Love the Chanel lads. Never ever ever ever seen any self respecting tradesman use a utensil to eat cake.... you boys are so artisan!!!!
Great video Cory,
Firstly, excellent use of that aluminium ladder. as a tea stand to hold your tea and cake white standing.
thankfully the proper fiberglass ladder appeared for the electrical work.
You are patient and walked us through your thinking process in your trouble shooting. Your"no school rather than old school " line is spot on . As you said there is a time to say "rip it out and reinstall properly" I always think when you put your hands on anothers bad work in the clients eyes it becomes yours. Thankfully this time the had the right man for the job. Your video is also a good legal document in recording the history of what you encountered and fixed. Well done.
You are covering all your T.V possibilities. Nature , History,Food. There is no end to your career path.
I do love the bit of cake with a cuppa. Thanks for making me laugh and taking us out to this job today I was woundering how it turned out. Happy EARTH DAY.
Just love watching artisan electrics keep them coming😊
2:22 - Cory, I can imagine you wiring up a cooker and then immediately jumping into a cooking demo for the customer, teaching them a new recipe. 10/10 would watch that.
What a cluster that job was!
For a time, I lived with some friends in a house built during the 1950s (US). Every light was operated by a momentary pushbutton switch that operated relays in the basement. After fifty years or more of use, the relays had mostly failed. Lights that were already on stayed on, because if you turned them off, they might not come back on again - or blink off before returning to on. At least half of the house had lights that didn't work at all, or would give one extremely brief flicker when you push the button before staying off. Receptacles on these switches didn't work in most of the house. An absolute nightmare.
I tried to convince them to do a rewire, since they were letting me stay there rent-free and I was unemployed and had the time to do it... It would have been pretty simple, everything was wired through conduits down to a single main trunking tray that ran in a beautiful straight line to the consumer unit and the box with all the relays in it. An electrician's dream to rewire! (The house was built by the same contractor that built several local schools, so it's over-engineered and built to a commercial level.)
Bundy Vs Jordan
Me Vs Corey
Boxing match
Winner gets a drum of 1.5 twin and earth
Nigel Vs Nom Nom?
Nagy vs Oscar....my money is on Oscar
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Bang bang Bundy against jumping Jackflash Jordan 😂😂😂
No punching above the neck !
Great video and the exact way that I would fault find this with the power on so many videos with people saying we should not work live and all this rubbish we are electricians it is our job. As long as you use the proper test equipment and work safely and do not leave and live power exposed where other people can be this is the quickest and best way to do the job great video.
That was stressful to watch, I chose industrial installations all day long, you deserve a medal for putting up with that type of mess
Greetings from Germany! What a lovely Chap. He knows what to do, he's funny and cheeky in one, but profesional in the same Time. 👋 I understand him very well, what is an Advantage. Yes, I speak that far Germanic Dialect, too!
Well done untangling this nightmare. I recommend buying yourself a Progressive Electronics 200EP inductive amplifier together with its audio warble tone generator for tracing out cables when you are on your own. As I have said in a previous comment this unit has saved me hours of unnecessary stress by quickly locating and identifying cables in an installation. On second fixes this unit helped me find cables lost behind plasterboard because cutouts in the plasterboard for socket outlets and light switches had been forgotten.
The lighting wiring you've described sounds very much like the French system using teleinterrupteurs..... basically you have a switch unit attached to the breaker in the CU which receives a signal from the switches which then sends sends or turns off power to the lighting part of the circuit. The advantage is that you can have as many switches as you like and wherever you want them.
I remember staying in a gite in France that had an immense CU, with a number of what seemed like contactors in. It seemed it followed the system you describe. A friend who moved to France and had to do up an old farmhouse using a local spark also said he thought his electrician was mad, but the guy assured him it was "the way it was done there". So maybe the spark who wired the property in the video was French. I don't see point in rewiring it, just to fit with UK traditions. Surely already 3-plate system can present problems with led lights, so new builds don't use it. Tradition is not always "right".
that's basically how PLC works. With PLC you only have power going through the controller relays to the lights and fans, and whatever else is connected to it, and then switches are connected to the controller through signal wires, which can be quite thin since they don't carry any real current. Since the PLC is programmed to turn on/off or dim stuff depending on which signal it gets (and what the current state is), you can hook up as many switches as you want using the signal wires and the only thing that determines what they do is how they're connected to the controller, and how that is programmed. It completely removes the need for switchback wiring when you want multiple switches controlling the same thing, and any switch can be programmed to be a dimmer if you want, or you can code patterns, where 1 press turns on the light, the next press turns on the fan, and so on.
Great bit of detective work & fault finding, love your perseverance.
Brilliant as Always from Artisan Electrics
That job was like the crypton factor, get it wrong, and you're scratching your head forever. Good investigative work, powered by an slice of nice.
A really strange piece of circuitry- I am impressed with how you solved the puzzle, Cory, great job.😃👌👌👏👏👏❤️
Nicely sorted out Corey and very patient. How many hours did that take? It would take me twice as long and I have to draw diagrams.
Great detective work...frightening what folks do and pass off as safe and efficient!
I think that this would have been a good thing for the kinetic switches and just rewire it all. What a huge mess.
I like these guys, top sparkies ⚡️
Just shows you never take things for granted ie just because the single was black does not mean it's a neutral ,looks like a diy job,at least you got there in the end 👍
That was interesting but confusing. I’m glad Cory sussed out what was going on as I got completely lost. 🙂
This reminds me of a job I done on a friends house, where there were lights on permanent feeds and switches switching different lights on 🤯, just got to trace each cable to figure it all out, fun times!
Some poelpe say loop in,loop out is complicated. But least you have a starting point.
That looks like it was an absolute nightmare! Well done for sorting it all
Recently had something similar myself, I just spoke. To the customer and said look I can spend hours working this out, we have really goo access I think because it so confusing we rewire the lights
PS I had a mess to sort out in a kitchen with exposed floor joists as a ceiling, including lighting cables with no cpc. Ripping it all out and starting afresh was very satisfying and made for a safer installation.
A very intelligent sparky for his years . Well sussed.
Thought you were about to find something i have in the past with the dead switches.
I came across a DB that had the phase and neutral connected cross polarity at the main switch. This meant all the switches were switching neutrals and every neutral was live! So dangerous
Always wondered why sparks dont use tone generators. Used them nearly 60 years ago as phone engineer . Old Skool can be best!
Brilliant sparks
Well done for sorting that lot out, never seen anything like it. If I’d have gone to that job I would have seriously considered going into the cake making instead😂😂. Great vlog👍👍
another great video from Cory
Well worked out
Looks like star wiring you used to do for running X10 din rail dimmers that all terminate in a node0 (or consumer unit in this case). has the previous owner just taken all their home automation units out?
I was wondering the same thing - it smells a lot like a former home automation job
I think whoever originally installed that was having a breakdown at the time!
yeah, or half a night school course...
An acquaintance wired his house like that - all switch wires back to the board - but there was method in this madness, he was an electrical engineer (with a trade ticket) and he built its own 'smart home' system. Every one of those switches was input to a computer which then controlled contactors to actually turn the lights on and off. He 'star wired' all the power points too, so they could be centrally controlled and monitored - he also added current sensing to each line and recorded power consumption for each circuit. It was a LOT of work and wire. But he could turn on or off any light or socket in his house from anywhere that had internet access. When he built it, these modern interconnected smart home systems only just appearing on the market and were quite expensive. If a regular sparkie ever gets called to that property 'diety' help them. They will be flummoxed. It complies with the required standards, but it's not a conventional layout.
Another great video . Yup I’m a low voltage tech and a tone generator is an essential bit of kit for me
the shelf looks gr8
At the end of the day, that's a much better way to have the lights wired, especially as you said for smart switching in the future.
The main reason we do lighting wiring as we usually do with a loop down to the switch, is simply to save money on cabling. Wiring back to a central point is way more flexible, just a little bit more costly.
I would have just put a wiring centre box for the lighting near the board for wiring up all the lighting, so as not to lose the benefits for the future.
My 1969s house is wired a bit like that with one central junction box in the loft for all upstairs lights and another under the airing cupboard floor for the ground floor lights. That arrangement has been a real boon for later modifications and additions.
Awesome Cory
I would have suggested a lighting rewire!
It’s almost like no one looked at the old connections before they ripped the CU off
You got it one ,must of been clear when stripping out 👍
Exactly
F*ckin hell Cory what a mess. Fair play mate. Well worked out. I'd of just said it all needs a rewire sorry.
well done cory really enjoyed this video
What a mess! Must have been a relative of the expert who wired permanent live and switch line to L1 and L2 on a 2-way switch, only to discover the light didn't work. Instead of moving the live to COM they ran a jumper wire from L1 to COM!
The light might be an ancient (early 60s) German fitting. Pre-1965 German colours were black live, grey or white neutral and red earth. The same scheme was used in a few countries, including Sweden and Finland. Romania (since that was named in the comments) oddly enough seems to have used a mix of US (black live, white neutral) and UK (red, yellow, blue, black, green) colours.
good work Cory , think Cory needs a new Oscar to help him ?
- Cable to a distribution box, from there a cable to the switch and a cable to the lamp.
- Cable to the lamp and from there a cable to the switch.
- Cable to the switch and from there to the lamp.
- But from the fuse box all cables to the lamp and from the fuse box all cables to the switches, this technology is new to me. There must be cable lengths.
As a consequence, you should place a radial for each individual socket to each individual fuse!
I seem to remember mentioning a tone tester in a previous comment 😉
nicely done cory! imagine if they now ask for the house rewired!!! 😱😂
well any more work there it'll be cory on his own!!!
Aced it Cory - What a mess, well figured out though, I think you'd be a great food channel host too!
Does the power from the consumer unit in a lighting circuit go to the switch or to the lamp first..? Here it goes to the switch and cable is terminated then carried on to the light from the other side of the switch and Earth /CPC are used if required.class 1 permitting etc.
Both,it’s up to the installer
Thanks for the Vid !! Just a thought: could you chuck the shower cable into a rotary lockable isolator? Would tidy things up a bit!!
You just went back of the food 😂
It took a lot of effort and head scratching to install the lighting circuits like that - ‘and now you gone and spoiled it all.’😂
These videos are very good and I'm learning quite a bit from watching you guys 100% recommend
Your only mistake Cory is trying to fix the problem in the first place, your an absolute legend mate doing the fault finding, but I would of recommend a new rewire for the customer as a professional install, better value for money at the end of the day!! I mean would you want to put your name against that as a sign off?
Good work Cory 9/10 would have cried re-wire and the 1 that didn't was Cory.
I'm guessing that at some point the house was originally wired with a lights master on switch or lights master off switch (or even both) that might explain the mess
Amazing perseverance. Nagy would have ripped it all out and started from scratch
Delroy would have tinkered with his Megger for a few hours and then the penny would have finally dropped, with few chuckles on the way. Dave Savoury would do a one hour presentation with circuit diagrams and highlight all the regulation breaches.
@@sirronnitram8937 😂😂😂
We would have waited a month for the video you mean
Very Fancy tea and cake get up!! Is that Kewtech tester? Have you done a review?
Yes switch off the living room lights & all the up stairs lights go out !
10 green cables wires all singles in the back of the living room switch box .
Not a one is ground .
That is old school & so is the up stairs 5 amp ring in tinned steel cable ( in v i. r .cable )
are you sure its not wired to the ring main
Im ready for some artisan snacks section
That's been done by someone who didn't really know what they were doing, they would have used so much cable, i have seen it done where there was a big joint box, and there's only one cable at the light and one cable at the switch, but never like that though.
Smart house project did not gone as planned? At least looks like that on the light wiring.
I think notching and drilling joists should be between 25 & 40% of the span of the joist
smells like DIY from here
What a nightmare 😮😮😮
Clearly bodgit and scarper spent a lot of time in that house. Admire your patience to sort that mess.
How many times did Cory say "I think I've sussed it out now" :) :)
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Cory? You never heard of 4 plate? 😂
I love how in Soviet Russia we have some fire safety requirements which you, EU guys, doesn't have at all. For example in Russia you can't have any kind of live wire(even non-flammable kinds) on flammable surfaces and around flammable surfaces(like wood) without metal tubing of some sort.
Aye chuck your day job the eating cake bit was enuff to put u right off....
Right what’s the process of becoming a sparky 🤪
@Artisan Electrics Jordon get Cory a tone generator or a helper
Nobody would blame you for working live in that situation. Empty house, only you and camera man there.
Usual way of wiring lighting in singles is to loop the permanent live through each switch. It's dead easy. They seem to have made a massive hash of it.
I do it all the time when I lose the switch live when changing pendants 🤣 ends of cables dangling out the ceiling, but I know not to touch them and keep the cables separated
@@leewinters606 eh? I never said it was unsafe. Quite the opposite. He's by himself, not causing danger to others.
fun fact: in germany the old color code was Black as Live, Gray as Neutral and red as Earth
Top presentation. Perhaps the installation was undertaken by someone who was only familiar with the use of singles.
I wonder if the same sparkie would have coped with an intermediate switch in a long passage way.....
Yep a Tone generator will save a lot of time and frustration
You should of used a cable toner instead of putting voltage on it first.
Haha Cory you should of took more time to suss out what was going on before taking out the old Fuseboard.
If you take a piece of small gauge "music wire" (tempered steel), and bend it in a v-shape, sew/tape it into the nose bridge on your mask, you won't have to keep pulling the mask up.
Sometimes it’s just easier to just start again 😂
Better late than never 🤣
Yes a tone generator makes a lot of sense when you are lost and it's a lot safer than making things hot.
I’m no sparky but OMG
We all knew the cable he removed was going to bite him at the end.
We did an eicr yesterday. Appeared to be a redundant immersion heater feed in the board. My mate said yeah we'll snip that off. I told him to hang fire because the spur for the fire suite was in a weird place half way up the wall right below where the cylinder cupboard was. 😉 But that appeared to be on the lighting circuit (6A...yeah). We energised the old immersion feed and lights came on. Wtf? Somebody had mixed up lights and the immersion feed. Leaving a lighting circuit on a 16A and the fire (clearly never used) an a 6A. All 1.5mm so guess an easy mistake to make but good job my mate didn't cut off that redundant feed as it fed a lighting circuit!
Red wire = Earth. :o
Yeah, that makes sense. lol
Can’t believe you don’t have a tone generator
That is one weird wiring setup
EAT THE CAKKEEEE
Pretty much the way my last 4 houses have been...Breakers for wall sockets and lighting circuits....Thou shalt not mix....
Give that man a pay rise, this hurt my head watching it
Not sure if you have the same problem as I had the other day. I found an old colour 3 core at both switches plus a single black at one of them. I wondered where was the other conductor for the switch wire. However it transpired they must have taken the 3 core to the ceiling rose. Cut into it and used the red conductor as a feed to switch 1 and used red from switch 2 as a switch wire to the C/rose. But they had miswired and connected the yellow to the common terminal. This caused the symptom of light switching you described. The single black conductor was used to feed the next light on the circuit. In addition one of the switches was not working and the blue conductor had a break. Bit of a challenge for me :)