This Modular Phone Is A Gimmick - Nothing CMF - Teardown and Repair Assessment
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- They could've of made a really repairable phone but didn't.
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Void if removed stickers are absolutely illegal in the US. Denying warranty coverage requires proving that the device was damaged, not just opened or serviced. That doesn't stop companies from continuing to use them and declare that the policy will be rigidly enforced, of course.
Maybe they don't have them in the models sold in the us ? (As he is in Australia and it's not uncommon for companies to make specific models for different regions)
Exactly. I think the Magnuson-Moss Act (in the US preventing these stickers from being valid) was eventually ruled to apply to consumer electronics too. Granted, it's not the full right to repair bill we always dreamed off, but it's... Something.
ZOTAC, Gigabyte and ASRock just got stick hit by FTC also because of the illicit use of WVIR stickers that can prevent consumers self servicing therefore suffering expensive RMAs, that's why FTC is trying to warn them
they're not illegal, just unenforceable
I am pretty sure that enforcement of MMWA has been lacking. But FTC sent 8 companies warning letters on "Void if removed" or similar language on their websites earlier this month. They have 30 days to stop doing that or lawsuits are coming their way. This will get most of them back down at least for a while.
Gonna start calling myself modular and when people ask what does that mean I just excuse myself for a minute and come back with different clothes.
HAHAHAHAHHAHAHA
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If I recall correctly they never marketed the phone as modular or easily repairable.
They just want to sell more covers and accessories.
i think the main point was, you can change the backcover if the cover broke or you wanted new colour without spend fortune to change it and you can change it easier, it by no mean makes easier to fix the internal phones
i want to ask you something, ifixit pro tech toolkit is good? they are resistant or broke easy?
It would be cool if they made the battery easily removable since you can already remove the back cover. And it’s not like the phone is going to disassemble like Legos when dropped because it has literal screws holding it on! But no, it’s 2024 and nothing has to be easily replaceable anymore I guess.
:(
"Just like a little Lego", JRE
@cms_samuel You beat me to it!
"NOTHING has to be easily replaceable"
Exactly.
there are some phones that you cant take the back off of and just swap batteries that are still being made today! but they all are really strange brands like vortex maxwest blu and they usually use really slow mediatek quad core cpus that if you put too much stuff on the phone it becomes unusable... the us government gives these away to poor people as lifeline phones
If it had removable battery... Would you have been removing it often? Most likely no... Battery backup and charging speed being so good you won't need to remove battery... Only after 2 or 3 years you would need replacement battery for that you are required to unscrew a few screws... Thats it.... So it is sensible to place battery firmly... Among glued down phone it's a gem....
IDK about the laws in Australia, but in the US, those "warranty void if removed" stickers are meaningless. Why? There's a law in the US called the Magnuson Moss Warranty Act, which I'll shorten to MMWA for the rest of this comment. Anyways, the MMWA bars device manufactures from denying you warranty service solely because the sticker is broken. It also prohibits them from denying you service for one thing because you modified something else unrelated to the first thing. If that's confusing, here's an example. Say you have a smartphone, and you break the screen and replace it yourself, then, later down the line, a board level problem comes up, and the device is still in warranty. The company can't deny repair or replacement of the board/device because the screen was replaced. People will claim the stickers themselves are illegal, which is a little bit of a misnomer. It's actually the act of voiding the warranty from breaking them that's illegal, not the stickers themselves. I'd simply call the stickers meaningless. They can try all they want to say they can deny you warranty service if you break the sticker, but in actuality, they can't. Again, these are the laws in the US, and will vary if you're outside there.
Edit: Corrected the name of the law since it was wrong the first time.
thanks for the explanation
research about Australia not your fancy usa. will save our time than us having to research about Australia. idc about usa. its just a country filled with greedy companies and expensive healthcare.
I love US ))
@@fe.w2024 It's nice that the US is sensible about one thing. A shame about literally everything else where they're backwards.
It is made for asia. The us is not a target market
I don't consider it modular
It's 'technically modular', but not in any way that matters. It's basically the hardware equivalent of changing the wallpaper.
It is modular just not in the way you expected it
@@bilalsadiq1450it’s not. Because by your definition absolutely anything can be modular. 😂
Modular in terms of looks only
It is a gimmick, but a creative one.
A Nokia 3310 is way more modular than this. 😂😂😂
I remember the days of treating the phone like a rifle, stripping it and putting it all back like in an army.
modular front plate, back plate, drop-in replacement-friendly motherboards (3315 fits perfectly in 3310 body, other models like 3350 have some minor issues), higher resolution displays... i miss the days
My Nokia 3310 would just disassemble itself on order to dissipate energy and minimize damage upon falling on the floor. Or colliding with concrete barriers, cars and celestial objects. The fucker was indestructible.
you don't fucking say. not justifying modern manufactures but they are far more complex than a humble 3310.
@@Seatux ew. take your military fantasies elsewhere
Honestly the specs seem damn good for the price. Assuming you get a decent length of software updates it seems like a good phone as far as the phone itself is considered.
But it will never make sense to me why they implemented a removable back in this day and age but didn't make the battery user removable 😂
The software support is 2 years of Android updates and 3 years of security updates. Ignoring the short software support nothing is probably losing money by making and selling the phone. They probably would make the phone 2 with small upgrades and pricier.
Nothing is building out a brand, much like how apple did.
The CEO himself said that the money they made on the nothing phone 1 is not a lot.
I suppose the justification for this price tag is pretty much the same, they are trying to reach more people. However seeing how much the price of the nothing phone 1 dropped I really cant see a good reason for coming out with this phone.
i have the phone and it's great, performance is pretty good, cameras are fine, battery is great and I love the software
Blackberry z30 enters the chat
Even after software support you can find custom roms to keep it alive for few more years, I’m using a 2018 phone with latest rom based on pixel os.
people make jokes about nothing by using the brand name a pun when the real joke is the phone
They made it way too easy man. I expect nothing from this brand and never will.
@@ventilate4267It looked promising initially but yeah, I'm gonna stick with my Xiaomi I reckon 🤷
The phones are fine budget options, what are you on about?
@@TheMainCore That if you design a phone with removable back cover, you just take a look on phones prior 2018 and use those cute springy contacty thingys, to connect a user replacable battery to the phony parts.
@@TheMainCore they aren't good phones at all lmao
Wow! They had one hell of a missed opportunity if only if they do it with their next phone that would be amazing! But great job!
Well that was quick
1 time is a fluke, 2 times is a coincidence, 3 times is theyre officially That Guy, and its on purpose
@@gundamned4879 Good point
"Interchangeable design" my ass! 😂
Yeah your fucked up ass
The design is precisely what's interchangeable....
@@TheMainCore nothing much else
@@ThylineTheGay I don't think they advertised at anything else. You can change the cover and add stuff onto it like you could with the LG G5 back in the day, none of their advbertising mention anythign on being able to swap other components like battery etc. Just the case, for different desisgns.
@@TerranigmaQuintet modular heavily implies component level, or at least meaningful accessories
This phone was heavily advertised as "100% repairable" in mexico and the ads where taken down by the authorities (physical ads)
The CMF Phone 1 missed a few major points that would have made it a best seller. A user replaceable battery, stereo speakers and (the real deal breaker in many regions like europe) no NFC so you can't set up contactless payment. Also most budget phones still feature a headphone jack, but I can sadly see they will eventually be phased out from all phones.
the nice thing about the modular bit is you can change the colour of your phone at will if you get bored of it, and cmf has released a template to 3d print back casings and accessories for the phone 1.
This phone isn't being marketed as a easily repairable phone. It's a phone to sell their accessories at a high margin.
Finally someone said it they never promoted this as a easily repairable phone it just easy to change the look. Either he was misinformed, interpreted the material wrong or is being disingenuous so he can dunk on the phone for not being what he wants it to be
Exactly. They’re making the phone dirt cheap so they get as many people as possible to buy the (frankly overpriced) accessories.
Not sure why they didn’t include data pins though. That’s a wasted business opportunity.
@anomishfish it literally supposed to be a trow away phone why would you worry about repair on a 200 dollar phone
@@fullweezy3553 if you're buying a phone worth $200 then money is probably precious to you. What rich person with money to "throw away" is buying a budget phone?
@defnotatroll I'd get it as a work phone or give it to a kid as a first phone. I have a pixel fold but use a refurbished note 20 ultra that I got of 350 as a work phone. But if this is all you can afford then yeah don't throw it away but don't buy is because you think it's highly repairable there are better and cheaper phones for that. No I'm not rich I'm a normal guy with a normal job
This seems relatively manageable. Not having to fight with adhesive and glass is a big win in my eyes. last time I replaced my own phone battery, phones still had glued down metal unibodies.
6:02 “it lifts out easily” 😭😭
Lenovo K3 Note was truly modular. Had easy to remove rear cover, with several different rear covers available, including a subwoofer(!).. Loved mine to death. Went through 2 of them. Both "lemon yellow"..
own a Lenovo K6 Note, also very easy to repair, replaced the screen and digitizer on mine a month ago
No NFC is tough in 2024 :/
It's a shame that the battery isn't user replaceable but I still feel that it's a very compelling phone at that price point. Decent specs, good screen and I think the OS is probably my favourite flavour of Android at the moment. I also think it's a pretty good looking phone but that's very subjective.
It is... You can pull it up with your bare hand like jack and bpk did... But this man is an ahole
Stick with your crappy fair phone instead of coming on every video to talk madness
@@Maximus20778 literally wtf are you on about.
I never understood what is stopping them from designing a simple dedicated screw in "battery bracket", which, combined with a screwed down back and an accessible plug would make battery chance 10x easier (6-8 identical screws, no heat) even if you don't go for a hardshell design like Fairphone.
I think that would be decrease their IPxx rating
@@Ricky-vanson Samsung has made and still does make phones (Their XCover series) with IP68 water resistance that have easily removable backs and they don't even use screws, water resistance can not and should not be used as an excuse for not making batteries easily removable
@@Username-jt4yqyeah you're right 🤔
The people with the confidence to repair this phone are smart enough to know it's shett
Where haven’t nothing mentioned that this is modular? They just said you can swap back covers and add accessories. But I have to agree with you on the missed opportunity in making the battery removable.
Always a good day when Hugh uploads.
I don't know about Australia, but "void if removed" stickers are illegal in the United States. They can get sued for this.
Exactly. MSI applies these to their laptops but at least in the US, they cannot act on them unless the consumer breaks something while inside.
The stickers themselves are not illegal in the US... I suggest you look more into this.
Not "illegal", just "not legally binding". It's illegal to actively deny repairs based on it, but the stickers themselves are legal.
Not having a removable battery is what like 99% of reviewers are complaining about, and it's a big miss imho.
But the biggest dealbreaker for me is it not having NFC as it's used for BankID (digital ID-service for banking, collecting parcels and much more) here in Sweden, rendering it pretty much useless.
A few years back I successfully modified a couple of "action cameras". Recently, I had some reason to look at what was new in that market, and I found one that has some interesting potential. But I cannot do anything with a new device right now, so I thought I'd mention it to you and see if you might want to look at it. It is the SJCAM SJ20 Dual Lens Action Camera. As its name implies, it has two "lenses" (actually more than just lenses, there are two sensors and some of the circuitry). One "lens" is "normal" brightness but the other is lower F-stop (brighter) giving extra low light capability. At the very least, I can suggest "focusing" the lenses so that switching between them might give you a choice of near/far focus. Alternatively, one of the lenses could be replace (which is what I did to my own cameras), possibly giving a "normal" / "telephoto" option. Anyway, if you decided to take up this suggestion, I'd be interested to see what you come up with.
From just watching your videos, i learn how to repair phones.
My theory is that some countries' regulations prevent companies from encouraging battery replacement due to potential legal issues if a fire occurs and someone sues them.
This recently happened with a 3D printer recall. While 3D printers are meant for tinkering, the company issued a statement that in some European countries, replacing an electrical part legally requires expert examination before use. Otherwise, you risk voiding your house insurance in case of a fire.
The latest Nokia ones are somewhat harder to open but it's actualy a feature to be able to repair your own device, exchange the battery or replace the screen. I wouldn't call this a modular phone at all if they actualy say you void the warranty if you're replacing the battery yourself. It's little more than an option to get a different coloured back cover. I.E. a gimmick.
The concept of removal back panel of CMF 1 is super simple, with that feature they can sell more "accessories" to the customers who thinks they have bought a "budget" phone. It's simply a tricky, cleaver and somewhat evil way of making money by giving the illusion of "user repairable" bought phone so that more people buys it
Good video as usual Hugh. Keep it up to keep us consumers aware of what's what.
Done watching now heading to sleep. 2am here on the other side of the continent
The accessory screw is in the sim ejector
I've already replaced parts on my backup and daily driver phones both are screen and battery AND THE MOST PAIN IN THE ASS THING IS REMOVING THE FREAKING BACK COVER AND IS FINDING ORIGINAL PARTS.
Seeing how easy to remove the back cover of that phone is great and maybe this can be the first step for the true modular phones and I hope really hope that we can replace chipsets and ram in the future like a desktop
Finally someone not glazing the company, the processor is garbage , it has a useless camera with the one being actually functional literally garbage quality, and the screen is average for all androids at this price for the last 2 years
Dude you do remember the price point on this phone, “missed opportunities” just adds more $$$
This phone feels like a giant middle finger in the face of consumers. There is absolutely no reason this battery couldn't have been user replacable.
I hope Nothing returns to being nothing.
I just want a phone that’s got a removable battery and back case that’s not from 2010. Why can’t we have a 2024 phone with removable battery and back case? Idc about water resistance as long as it runs modern apps with modern hardware with replaceable parts.
Hi Hugh, I just bought the itest app to test an open box phone I bought on ebay - handy little app thanks! (also posted a review since you had none - hope it helps kick start some sales for you lol.)
I have a Question though - do you plan to release an ad supported free version? reason that is useful: If im meeting up with someone to buy their phone and i want to run itest - i would have to log into my google account on their phone - something i have great privacy issues with.... A free version would be much easier to install and quickly test the phone with.
I hope you can get your hands on the new HMD Skyline at somepoint, its supposed to have a screw system(single screw on the bottom) which will release the back cover & display for easy replacement.
I own one of these phones as I needed a secondary phone for when I travel to developing countries. I love it, but I do agree it is a missed opportunity with the battery.
I am curious though if it is cheaper to have those batteries by a significant margin.
IIRC tbe sim eject is also the screwdriver
The LG G4 did this but that phone was one of the easiest ever to repair.
While the removable back with a non-user replacable battery seems like a gimmick, it's most likely no one is going to repair this phone.
A lot of reviewers said that this is a great value phone, and it's true, but that hurts it in a repairability aspect. After a few years or even a few months, the value of the phone would significantly degrade (as is the case for any phone), but the repair costs won't, we all know how expensive it is to replace a screen from a phone, especially if it's a 120 hertz OLED display. If that screen breaks after a few months it would most likely cost more than half of the perceived value of the device.
Another factor that determine the "value decline" of the phone is the OS update offering. The shorter the software update they offer, the quicker it will lose its value over time
Non replaceable if you are an ape.... Battery can be pulled with bare hand... As jack and pbk did.... But this man trying to be ahole
personally I don't understand why all these TH-camrs are hating this phone. it's actually a good phone, I bought it for my dad and he loves it, and I think that's what matters, no where did they say that it would be easier to repair, and sure it's a bit of a gimmick but I like the fact that you don't need a case since you can just remove the back. also, I think the attachments are pretty cool, like having a lil screw on stand is quite useful. idk i just feel like everyone is overreacting
It's probably because the phone does not have an Apple, Samsung or Google logo on it.
I'm surprised he had not complained about no earphone jack.
all tech needs to be self serviceable, doesnt matter if they advertise it or not its still a strike against it lol
Such a shame. This would have been such a cool phone if it was actually repairable.
Imagine going to all that trouble to engineer a removable back and then putting void if removed stickers on top of a glued in battery.
Jerryrigseverything took out the battery with ease, I can't say why it was difficult for you.
How was that "easy"? He used full force without worrying about braking it and it took him 8 seconds. He engaged not just his hand but his back too.
Jerry rig is as strong as Mr. Clean though.
@1vbAPiYk The fact is that jerry did it without using a heating pad or an alcohol is clear that it can be remove with some degree of ease, just requires the right technique. However, I believe jeffery tends to disregard the repairability of the Nothing CFM by tagging the battery as not removable just by pulling the tab. However, @jerryrigseverything commended that.
@@echezonaeric6404 There was no technique, there was brute force, which endangered the phone. JerryRigEverything does teardowns with no regard to whether the phone "survives" or not.
@@1vbAPiYk no doubt you are right about jerry. Yet if you have repaired an iPhone before, I believe the first time pulling the tap underneath the battery isnt always a success, and this doesn't make you outrightly tag iphone battery tap unpullable therefore unrepairable. But notice on subsequent ocassio and with the application of certain techniques, it seems more easier. This is clearly my experience fixing devices and it still applicable here. That's all I'm saying.
Hugh, I got a question, i have an iPhone with a CRC error, a battery stuck at 100%, can you help me fix this? Replacing hasn’t solved the problem.
It's meant to be modular, and at 200 is really an innovation; they'll get there. I found your review bland; check the MKBHD review if you want a more experience-like review.
*As nice as modular design goes* -- I want a phone that allows me to install alternative Operating Systems --- *That's what I would call -- 'Adaptive & Flexible'*
If you're going to make the back plate easily replaceable, at LEAST make the battery replaceable. Without that simple feature, this phone is a hard pass.
Budget phones like that are getting too close in price to upmarket phones. 300-400 for a half decent budget phone, yet I paid about 700 for my Pixel.
It would have been nice to see some pogo pins inside the back beneath the outer rear housing. RGB housing anyone, that would be popular. Dock maybe... add on NFC.. there's plenty of options.
using a "warranty void if removed" stickers (especially on the very early-to-disassemble components) instantly obliterates any claims about the device being "repairable" or "repair-friendly". It's not even about legality at that point, it's a matter of principle.
Good, they never claimed it. Everyone is assuming that because the back cover is removable that implies it should be reparable. At least, you can more easily access the internals.
@@trixniisama ok, I am mixing up nothing phone and fairphone. False alarm then.
I like the professional effort of no longer showing the PCB in green or blue like in years past, because fake phones have this particularity of being so. Not up to iPhone standards yet, but it's already better.
Modular for esthetic purpose,... i bought one... (and you can say about it what you want).. BUT this phone is more stable then my Pixel a7. It runs REMARKABLE SMOOTH. Love it!
I wonder if Oppo produce Nothing/CMF phones? The layout and battery connectors/fitting style is identical.
Nothing CEO Carl Pei worked for BBK, owners of OPPO and founded OnePlus during his time there. Every Nothing product has similarities to BBK products including exclusive parts and even hardware issues
@@memediatek This makes a lot of sense.
The fairphone is way better, but at 200 euros it is hard to beat.
Yet another smartly marketed phone for the Geeks and Nerds.
I will wait video for new HMD phone, which claims to be repair friendly
The new Lumia smartphones? (with Android, not Windows phone)
@@cosminandreimatei756 Yes
I must say, I have some older smartphones in my collection that also have a removable back but not the battery
In the old days you could replace the battery with a touch of a button on the Ericsson at least, it was a heavy battery and low cost battery swap.
With all of these repairs/breakdowns, I'm curious what ol Huge Jeffrey's is running and why
Nice one Hugh...Don't really see the point of the 4 screws for rear panel, would have been far easier using clip on's like on the the old Nokia's rear panel 🙂
It's a baby step to make the modular phones possible again.
nothing could be way better if they actually tried.
i still have my nothing ear 1 earbuds, and they sound great, battery is great, they look unique, but the adhesive they used is so weak that the buds are splitting in half at the part where the two halves are connected.
Yea my ear 1s broke entirely, I had to throw them away
Pissed off at nothing as nothing os 2.5 bricked my dads nothing phone 1, TWICE. It seems others are having that issue too, but nothing really need to step up their game. otherwise itll be like gizmondo, forgotten.
Never heard of this issue, didn't happen to me or anyone I know hmm
I don't think modular=repairable
In the teardown video by Zach from Jerryrigeverything his battery got removed with no issues with the pulltabs .So this could be deffect in the some phones ?
Bro it should be a law it make it by design under 5 minutes replacement tool free process. these companies are full of shit talking about the environment
How are companies still including "warranty void" stickers when they've been legally unenforceable pretty much worldwide for years now?
Because enough people get spooked by it and dont dare to take them off and repair the phone themselves to make it worth to keep them on for manufacturers.
What is it with newer tech companies that are trying very hard to be unique (CMF, Rabbit R1 and We are Rewind for example) having their products in a bright orange that reminds me a lot of Teenage Engineering??
finally a huge youtuber denies this phone. too much hype from others where there is little added value to this phone. absurd how difficult to replace that battery considering the removable back. I'd be happier for this phone if this included bypass charging.
idk, it's a $200 phone so I don't really care about repairability. I just want it for the orange back cover lol. I'll probably buy one next year used to use as a backup phone to replace my current Samsung A53 as a backup phone.
This was their first version of this, maybe they wanted to start small. Hopefully, if they release a second version, it has some or all of these features mentioned in the video.
Is it weird that I want one that's more expensive? Give it better specs and an actual removable battery and I'd love to have one of these with a resin printed clear back iMac G3 style
Looks somewhat modular. Removing the back panel with only four screws and then pulling it off is much better in my opinion.
Modular in the sense that you can change your back cover and add a couple of funny gimmicks on the back. Nothing new here, but its a cheap and fun phone that is something different in todays market. And that is very welcome.
They have every opportunity to do something actually different and would be worth recommending for android enthusiasts had they not just avoid these opportunities completely. I really hate that they keep going in the gimmick route hard and even avoiding anything that can help them make more money in a way that benefits both the customer and the company. By letting people just buy parts that, when bought together to equal more than the price of the phone, can still net them a lot of money as long as they let people know that fixing it themselves wouldn't be covered under warranty or something like that. I dont get why offering an option of repairing it yourself or getting it repaired through them just doesnt seem to want to exist to them.
Always think if back case is so easy to remove we should get Swappable batteries like we use to why do we have to go backwards and not allow for easy swap of batteries
G could you priview what happens to phones data after fingerprints calibration in pixels .does it stay or it gets deleted
The highlight on this phone is the SD card slot
Your title should have been: "This CMF Phone is Nothing but a gimmick."
hello, I have a question, if I buy a phone from the USA or Australia, would it be in Europe, for example in Lithuania
5:57 redmi: 🗿
Hello Sir. I’m trying to get in contact with you to see if you can take on a project for me. I have the original iPhone 4 without SIM card. Today I did a battery swap and the the phone turnt on. Then I tried to replace the broken screen and I purchased the wrong screen. My phone is completely apart every screw off. Can I purchase a iPhone 4s and simply swap out the motherboard without losing all my data on my phone. Please hep.
Lack of easily removable battery in this phone is not incredibly strange, it's worse, it's incredibly stupid.
Hold up. This does not make sense to me. Why would you need to replace the battery (or any part of the phone) yourself within the warranty period? After the warranty period, i'm sure you won't have to worry about the warranty void sticker.
The screwdriver is in the box, you can see it at 1:04 under the box liner, it's orange.
1:10 "sim eject tool"
This phone reminds me of one plus when they started saying that they were revolutionaty and so on...now they became like the other brands, nothing will go the same routes, they hype the people so they buy their products saying they are the best bla bla bla and in a few years they will dissapear or just be like the others...
Pretty sure the guy who started one plus started this brand so yeah the same will happen
I miss pop up phones like the Poco f2 pro :(
I hear that the cameras still hold up till now
Perhaps a future video idea?
Try some of the HMD phones. I think they used to be Nokia.
I'd love to see your take on the Samsung Xcover6 Pro
hey Hugh, i found your original title "Hugh Jeffreys uploaded: This Modular Phone Is Nothing But A Gimmick - Nothing CMF - Teardown and Repair Assessment" more interesting
Lucky you, not even available here in Canada
Also in Vietnam. For this price, a used galaxy s22 is the best option in my country
Good thing it's not available here in Canada, they're shit phones
hey, can you answer what's wrong with the lcd in my phone because my lcd is new and the problem is when my palm is sweaty sometimes it doesn't respond to my click and sometimes its delay pls tell me whats the problem
id say that seeing that qr opening their page with accessories was enough to consider this phone as marketing gimmick aimed at that particular kind of mouth-gaping "tech enthusiasts" customers; not mention that special cute little screwdriver... which just screams "give us more money".
Aren‘t those „Void if Removed“ stickers illegal in many countries already?
Let's go hugh jeffreys posted a new video