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- It's not every day that a TH-cam legend like Linus Tech Tips roasts your phone. We just had to get our co-founder and product manager Miquel to watch the whole thing with us and react. It's long and unfiltered, but Linus deserves our time :)
Here's a link to LTT's review: • This Fairphone 5 Revie...
And here's his take on Fairphone 4: • The Anti-iPhone - Fair...
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In the realm where gadgets gleam and shine,
A tale of tech unfolds in rhyme.
Where Linus, with his wit and sass,
Took aim at Fairphone, alas.
With scrutiny sharp, he laid it bare,
Each flaw, each glitch, he did declare.
No mercy shown in his review,
As Fairphone felt the critic's skew.
But Fairphone, in its righteous quest,
Stood tall against the critic's jest.
With principles firm, it held its ground,
In the face of scrutiny profound.
For Fairphone's aim, noble and true,
Is to build a phone for me and you.
With ethics guiding every part,
It seeks to mend the tech world's heart.
Recycled parts and fairer trade,
In Fairphone's vision, a world remade.
Where sustainability takes the lead,
And every purchase plants a seed.
So though Linus may have had his say,
Fairphone stands undaunted today.
For in the face of critique's storm,
It's principles that truly transform.
you win!
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oh man it's like an awesome old country song, hell yes!
This phone is a piece of shit
But the shills change the narrative to fit
@@rohansampat1995 Do you have one and can explain why you thing it is bad?
I was an iPhone User since 2010.
I have a Fairphone 5 for two month and i thing it is a good smartphone. I‘m really happy with it.
Sure it is not the best phone on the market, but a good smartphone.
FairPhone did a much better job at convincing me to NOT get a FairPhone 5 than Linus... because I'll still be using my FairPhone 3 for years.
Let's gooo :)
Absolutely gigachad
Serious question. How often do they release new phone versions? 3, 4, 5...
I mean... If they say the next one will have a better screen and will have half the width with wireless charging... I would jump to the next phone. What to do with my previous one?
Can I use the Fairphone 4 components in the Fairphone 5? Otherwise, is this going in the trash bin?
No, you send it back and they will reuse it
Because they cheaped out and skimped on everything they could after the FP3. The dropped TRS jack wasn't anything but being ~courageous~ enough to remove it.
Give me a fucking headphone jack and I'll buy it in a heartbeat.
Sony phones have headphone jack and micro SD card slot. Also It has most of the things other phones have!
@@CharllesC78The problem with Sony phones is that they only have two years of software support.
get Xperia
If you're in Europe you can get a Gigaset phone. They have many of the repairability advantages of a Fairphone without the high price tag. OK they dont have the Fair sourcing that Fairphone does. They do have user swappable batteries and good spare part availability.
For non-Samsung phones with a headphone jack, I think the Zenfone is a good option.
The vibration strength could 100% be a deal breaker for many people, I can see that.
Yeah, that is an issue, the problem would be tough, is the vibration weak on all drvices or it happened to be on Pinus, his device only? That is why such claims are again, to be taken with a frain of salt.
The three phones I've had somewhat recently I'll have different kinds of vibration and some of them are not as good.
I always miss calls with my no-fairphone. Hate it.
@@kaptn_kapton well then get a new phone
@@kaptn_kapton no one is forcing you to keep it. (Also nine one one exists if you need help)
When I bought my Fairphone 3, I was aware of most of the compromises I would have to make and I do not regret buying it. However, I want you to understand that, from my user perspective, Fairphone 5 is not in competition to Fairphone 4. It is in competition to all regular phones out there. Earlier Fairphone models should not be the main benchmark when you are designing your next phone. In the past better often was not good enough but just less bad, unfortunately.
that's a good point - and watching it back now, I can see why it comes across that way. Miquel mainly brought up the Fairphone 4, because Linus reviewed a bunch of things favourably in that video and criticised them this time around. But true, of course we're trying to be an alternative for everyone looking to by a phone right now and not compared to the best we could do in 2021 :)
@@FairphoneI can see why his view changed though. The world has moved on and technology has advanced since the FP4 came out. Something that was great, or even just good then is behind now. The industry, and with that what the average (not issue focused) buyer is expecting from a device. Every year we use our phones for more and more things. Something on the order of 78% of phone users in the US and Canada play at least one game per day on their phone, so the perspective of Linus is going to come from that US/Canada perspective.
@@DerekKnopI also see movement in how people talk about phone repairability/ support life/ sustainability
If your Fairphone 3 is good for you, keep it and make it run.
However, after two iteractions, I was hoping that spending three times the price for a budget phone would deliver better performances with higher durability and top notch repairability.
According to the reacting video, performances were compared to 8 year older device with less ram and was on par with that.
So maybe it's more resource wasting, but buying 2 budget phone will allow me to use them for 6-8 years, immobilize less money and maybe have a better phone after the first one.
IMVHO Fairphone miss the point of... smartphone if the new device is not crushing a 8 year old flagship with less performance hardware...
@@GsrItalia why are you comparing it to a budget phone? the concept of the Fairphone is not only to make it the cheapest per silicon chip... it is fair for everyone involved, so if you're fine with children mining lithium for your batteries and assembly line workers making maybe a livable wage, that's your choice and the Fairphone is not for you!
and you're asking for top notch repairability, it's pretty clear that no other mainstream manufacturer makes repairable phones, so yes it is top notch. What's not durable about the fairphone?
Potential customers compare Fairphone 5 with other commercially available phone and NOT the Fairphone 4
Update since this comment made it to reddit
I signed off one of my replies to this comment as "random dude on the internet". Don't drag Fairphone for something they didn't do. Lololol
The Fairphone 5 seems like a solid phone and i absolutely love the vision.
However, maybe I do want to browse youtube for 10 hours on my off days (and i have)
When I'm in bed i may not be able to put my phone on the "ideal" viewing angle, so the yellow tint is a problem.
Also, a user not being allowed to change the position of the back button ironically is more restrictive (and annoying) when the hardware of the phone is easily accessible.
I do think that it is a good idea to not over focus on mobile games. And again, i love that it is so environmentally friendly. Not having wireless charging isn't a deal breaker idgaf, I can also get used to the bezels and maybe the thickness.
IMO just from the specs and Linus' review on the phone, Fairphone 5 seems like a good phone that needs the software updates to fix whatever can be fixed via the updates and a change in the screen.
That's it for the unwarranted opinion of some random dude on the internet
we appreciate your opinion, random dude on the internet! Taking notes here
Wow, such a degrading and salty response to a valid point from FP. As much as I support your cause, this is just plain bad marketing.
@da8576 that's how he signed off his message, check his last sentence - we were sincere 😅
Missed that part, thank you for pointing that out. At least this might help others see it's not the case. Still I can't shake the salty feeling out
of this video. I understand you might feel bad when genuine criticism comes to your work of passion, but handling it well goes a long way too.
This video focuses a lot of comparing the 5 to the 4, and obviously the 5 is going to be better than the 4 - I’d be surprised if it wasn’t. But the phone doesn’t exist in a vacuum, and unfortunately while it’s better than the previous gen it’s not quite at the level of its competitors especially at the price point.
It would have been better to explain why the phone is, for example, heavier than the competition and how it’s a trade off for repairability or any other reason instead of just leaving it at “6% better than last gen”. Some more insights into why the phone falls behind other options available on the market would have been good to see and would have led to a lot less negativity.
Best of luck in the future though, and I can’t wait to see what the fairphone 6 and onwards will be like.
I totally agree here.
Simply acknowledging that the phone slightly lags behind compared to other major companies due to their massively bigger sales and more aggressive exploitation would have been just honest. Fairphone, being more of a niche product, cannot compete in this way.
But that doesn't diminish the outstanding product at all! It's still a fantastic phone, close to the top performance wise, WITH ALL THE IMPORTANT BENEFITS. I want my phone to last 10+ years. I want workers to be paid and a conscious handling of our environment.
The response was too butthurt.
Sadly in some way, Fairphone exists in a vacuum, appart from Fairphone and Shiftphone I know of no other Phone manufacturer that can be trusted with creating a phone fair-ish and repairable, if you care about those things, there is no competition, I would love for the Pixels and Samsungs to be produced fair, but since I draw the Line at ignoring fair labour the two phones, FP5 and Shiftphone 8 exist in a vacuum
yes it is, it actually is far superior to its competitors if you value what fairphone brings to the table. if you dont, get another phone
Thing is if i need a screen or a battery for my Samsung S21 it can be done in shop up the street and my old 5 year S21 still shits all over the new fairphone and battery still works at 89% of new. So why would I not just get a used S24 ultra next?
@@federicorubionavarro3399If u take out battery and screen repairs which can be done what else is there to value?
Fairphone: You don't need that anyways.
Great that you decided to respond, but along with some other guys say, you gotta be a bit careful with defensiveness. You got an amazing product, some of your responses are spot on and some are a bit passive aggressive "who watches TH-cam for 10h" "really, Linus" "you use your phone at this angle?" there aaaaare better ways to respond to this 😅
I have a fairphone 5, and love the mission
Exacty there are flights which is over 10h, and most of us while flying watch content on their phone. So it was also valid!
@@Tomas970506True, but on the fairphone you can pop out the battery and put in a fully charged one. Not saying it's ideal, just not a super common use case.
Also I'd like to use my phone for 2 or more days on a single charge. That comes in handy on trips and camping. Sure I can pack a powerbank but it'd be nice not to have to.
Why does the fairphone have such poor battery life? It's got a big battery and a weaker processor than the Pixel, yet it only lasts half as long.
It can only come down to software optimisation. They really have to work on that part. Google and other manufacturers have that part locked down pretty much.
THIS
@@Tomas970506Surely if you're on a flight for over 10 hours, your seat will have a charging port?
I think Linus's point about the back button and google search not being movable is that most people don't want to use a different launcher, and your response that "you are free to download any launcher" is not a very good solution. Every time I have switched to a different launcher, they are riddled with other issues that drive me just as bonkers. Just get the stock launcher right in the first place so nobody has to switch to a different one.
And I have been able to move the back button on every phone I have had. I am pretty sure it is a default option on android, (Edit: OK so moving them is not the default option) and you stopped to respond to the running apps thing as a "stock android" thing, so why were the buttons changed to be worse?
I am completely with Linus on the back button, I like it on the right side so I don't have to reach across the phone with my thumb. This is why the option to move them exists on other phones...
You are right though, there were a lot of comparisons that he made that I'm thinking, "ok, so". I think he is being extra critical of the phone because he wants you guys to succeed so much. So take it to heart.
This was a weird reaction to watch. This isn't the entire Linus video, just snippets, they actually skipped over quite a few things that Linus praised the phone about, like the power button with included finger print sensor.
Back button position isn't a default option in Android, OEMs themselves have to implement support for it, which is engineering resources they may not be able to prioritise with other issues to resolve, and the general market push to gesture nav Google is working towards.
The search bar placement is a GMS (certification) item, hence Miquel referencing breaking contracts with Google. Custom launchers aren't bound by the same agreement
@@MrTheJeoff I was surprised he didn't talk about the audio problems. It would have been a opportunity for them to correct Linus, or be honest. Instead they cut that part. It was a weird watch indeed.
@@JasonBayton Every phone I have encountered has the option to move the buttons around so I guess I assumed that it was the default option. Maybe it was and it changed.
Same with the google bar being a contractual thing. I have been able to move or remove it from all my phones... again maybe it changed recently. It's too bad they even have to be in a contract to have google on the phone but I suppose that will keep it competitive.
I think the main audience for this phone would be more willing to change the launcher, but they shouldn't be relying on that.
@@procrastinatingnerd hasn't changed in recent history, but OEMs can and do offer it, particularly those in the East.
For the search, any OEM that ships with the Google launcher can't change it, but they can choose to ship with their own custom implementation, referring back to Miquel's comment on doing a Fairphone one.
The license agreement grants access to Google apps and services, you could ship without (they offer /e/OS after all) but it loses mass market appeal indeed
The back button thing is definitely valid criticism. It's a simple thing and almost every phone allows reordering them, so the user should not have to re-train 10+ years of muscle memory. And then you just roll your eyes as a response...
But as I understand this is something that is just not there in stock android so you should complain to Google, e.g. Samsung that allows that has a highly customized android.
I have to agree, even though I own a fairphone, my workphone buttons are switched around....
@@99MrX99 : That would be a fair remark. Much better than just rolling his eyes like the presenter did...
It’s nitpick at best. When gestures replaced buttons that wasn’t a life ending problem. It’s very low stakes to tap a different part of the screen. It’s also something that can be patched in software updates very simply.
Actually it is not, and who the h, still uses buttons in 2024? I mean, never heard of gestures? It takes like a day to get used to them, and the screan will thank you for getting rid of buttons therefore getting rid of the main culpit of screen burn-ins. Anyway, why in the world would faiphone be responsible to implement something that samsung felt the need to implement to look different? Is is like accusing samsung of not having a huge notch like iphone, because well, you got used to it, so every device should have one... if your memory is so stiff that it can't adapt to other means of software navigation, well do not use the device but do not make a problem of yours being a problem of others. Linus is always mainly scratching the surface and his reviews are plain boring mostly and biased, but his review of fairphone is blatened and pointless, almost like a kid that cannot accept that there are other motives and usage of a device then his own. This is not how you review a device. But well, 99 ٪ of so called "reviewers" are plain biased and have no essence whatsoever, pure trash, influencer like, more then anything.
I'm disappointed that the bit about the phantom headphones was cut out. Do better.
The edits were pathetic tbh.
While I don't think this response had the best tone to it, I still think the company mission at Fairphone is worth celebrating and supporting.
Yeah he's very defensive. I understand this phone has compromises due to its repairability, but he didn't take criticism well.
I would argue that Linus' review was not entirely in good faith. He complained about several things which are completely inconsequential, and comes across a bit whingy.
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@@MorningNapalm That's Linus overall: a whiny-ass. It's why I can't take his opinions seriously. Really surprised he's as popular as he is with his overall demeanor.
Linus gripping about the smallest shit with millions of viewers vs a 150 person cellphone manufacturer? You're hilarious.
I DO change my microsd card pretty often
Why? Not trying to be snarky or anything, I’m genuinely curious. With 1TB microSD cards available, I just can’t see a use case where somebody needs to switch cards on a regular basis
@@rpungelloI also would love to be able to change the card. I don't use a streaming service, I use MP3s (no subscription needed) and being able to transfer those, as well as videos I recorded on my phone to my PC without needing my phone to be completely tethered would be a game changer. Not too mention people who take lots of pictures for work being able to privately offload them as easy as it would be on a digital camera.
Source: my mum does this for her job. Expandable storage is important to her.
@@rpungelloFastest data transfer until date? You can't really transfer files faster or more efficiently. Working with large amounts it gets proportionally easier if you transfer the data holder itself
You do change because you're switching among few of them (different content) or you're replacing a defective one?
@@rpungello if you shoot video with your phone and edit it on your PC (which isn't unreasonable given the recording quality on high end modern phones) being able to offload video quickly can be an advantage, and a reason to swap out SDs
For the wireless charging, would it be possible to do something like the Samsung Note 3 did? You could buy a new back cover that had the wireless charging coil built in. It had pins on the case and metal pads on the phone so if you wanted wireless charging you could just buy a new back cover and if you didn't, you already had everything you need.
i added wireless charging to a $100 nokia with a $15 adapter card plugs into c port and sticks to back under case
@@rustyholt6619 Oh man, I remember doing that to an old Sony Xperia phone! It worked but didn't last for long as it was sandwiched between the phone and a case and I often used the USB port for file transfer, so the thin ribbon cable to the charging pad snapped :(
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I think the point is more that they do not support wireless charging efficiency as a whole at this stage - it is too inefficient and, therefore, wastes too much energy.
Wireless charging wasts energy. Charging via cable is much more efficient. And plugging something in takes no effort at all, unless you're lazy.
If a phone wants to be green, wireless charging is just out.
How often do you replace your battery ? I bet less often than changing your sim or micro SD card.
So why making changing battery easier than changing micro sd card ?
Going to need a second battery with the battery life of the fair phone 5.
Maybe cos you’d corrupt it by forgetting what you are accessing
Actually people who buy this type of devices buy two batteries to swap if neccessery, so yeah, a lot often then an sd card. And also, i do not care how easy it is to open a glued shut device to change the battery, prefere 100% the ability to open the device without any damage to the device structure.
On the early cell phones it was common to buy a spare battery and swap them out. You could even get charging stations that would charge the spare when it was removed from the phone. Its not as important now with battery improvements, but I miss having that option.
Because you can switch to a new battery when the current one run out of charge.
And I think it's the reason why Fairphone is offering a free battery at new fairephone use actually
"It's a stock android option" must be the most embarrassing thing for Linux. Couldn't he have done a little more research?
There was one part of this response by Fairphone which offended me quite a bit. The way Miquel responded to the problem with having to power the phone off for the SD card. It really made it feel like Fairphone will never consider the cases of some users. That one was pretty critical. I wish he had the same reaction to that as he did to the weak vibrator motor and loud notification sound. Those three, are really driving me away from buying the phone, which I want to do despite it not being available to me in the US.
I think, the phone/company on its own targets a niche part of the phone sector. If you then also need to include many specific things you will probably choose a smaller audience over a bigger one. It will cost something, maybe in space/battery or something else. So I get it completely. Also I think people using sd cards in general is decreasing a lot since default storage has gone up a lot.
Remember when Apple took away the audio connector? And refused to used USB or USB C.... Yea companies do 0:01 that, all the time.
@@uponpaulThe SD Card slot is amazing for copying files between PC and Phone due to how painfully slow transfers via USB from Phones are.
I thought this was a problem from my phone which despite having USB3 connection would transfer at speeds bellow the USB2.0 spec.
Recently I tried a Samsung S22 Ultra and a Pixel 8 and both have the exact same problem.
On my phone I just need to take the SD Card out putting it on my PC or adapter and I can transfer files up to 90MB/s on my current SD card.
I don't even need a SIM Tool or to turn off my phone to do so.
This SD card and SIM card placement behind the battery seem like an homage to old-school phones of the past. I don't think this cost-saving measure is something that should be resurrected. micoSD card swapping is needed if you take photos or videos with DSLR and then want to push them to Instagram or TikTok for example. SIM card swapping is a thing for many when traveling. Hoping seeing real-world use cases, helps Fairphone be fairer.
Im offended by your reaction. How did you even survive before smartphones were invented?
YOU GUYS ACTUALLY CREATING A TREND
that phones should be more repairable
phones should have more than 5 years of software support
phone parts should be readily availible for the users to end of life
Phone should have removable sd card slot i dont know why are they removing it
headphone jack should be there but no one uses wired headphones except me and i dont have problem with the dongle
KEEP ON DOING THAT AND ONCE IT RELEASES IN INDIA I WILL BUY IT
Their removing SD cards so you can't own anything that's not on a cloud. Pay pay pay pay pay. Pretty soon we'll all just give up on smartphones. I'm close
@@Mixmastermez and all those ai llm shit for galaxy they are going to make even the basic software and os paid
I have a Fairphone 4. The volume control is atrocious; everything is either super loud or quiet when I use headphones. It's like I can hear it jump across several noise levels. My choice right now is either developing tinnitus or not hearing my music.
Idk. I love the mission you guys are on, but with a long standing issue like this that is still in your previous phone, I think it's a bit disingenuous to say that Linus' complaints can be fixed in software. Sure it can, but will you? Probably not, if my experience is anything to go by.
Huh, would it be fixed if you swapped ROMs?
I'm hoping by the time I have to replace my Pixel 7, the Fairphone 5 or 6 comes out to the U.S. !
- I'm aware Fairphone sacrificed the headphone jack on the 5, but don't get rid of the micro SD card slot on the 6! :)
Yeah that's my plan too! I had to get a new screen for my pixel 7 pro because it failed right after the warranty.
@@Nautical_CyclistJesucristo te ama arrepiéntete de tus pecados y ten perdón de pecados en Su Nombre
While not official, You already can buy in the U.S. off of Amazon via third party providers.
Replace after your pixel dies (better for environment )
@@adityadubey177 I will by the time support ends by 2027.
It should be possible to integrate wireless charging into the battery cover. Samsung did it years ago when the batteries were removable.
The back button was actualy a problem. I got used to it, but it was an inconvenience.
I switched my navigation mode to gestures instead, so it's never bothered me because I can swipe from either side of the screen to go back ☺️
@@josephmorris1248 it's good to know that's supported. I genuinely had no idea whether that was a pixel exclusive or not.
I am actually surprised if I see people actually using these button(s).
Left? Right? Nope, swipeit it is.
Probably something that can also be added in future feature update
@@huffy7412It's standard on every android phone i bave ever used in the last 5 years
I find it HILARIOUS that people can really compare the cost of this phone to the cost of other phones.
It’s the same as comparing a well paid employee made dress to one produced in a sweatshop. If it’s not affordable for you right now then that’s fair enough, but it’s the other phones which are dirt cheap through exploitation. This is the cost that a phone is meant to be.
I think you should be a little less defensive. I'd buy a Fairphone if it had a headphone jack, no holepunch camera, uniform bezels (I don't care if they're big) and at least 120hz. The ability to hot-swap TF cards is useful for people who do a lot of video or who listen to mp3s.
Measuring a device thickness in my opinion should always include the camera bump. No question. You can't say "my car is 2.3 metres wide if you don't count the wheel arches" because that's literally part of it.
As for "you're calling a deal-breaker something that can be solved in a monthly software update", you should never buy something for what it can be, only what it is.
The ability to swap the back and multitask buttons is something I would need. Having them with the back button so far away is just not ergonomic.
Linus' point about the Samsung being easy to repair is totally wrong. There's no question that Fairphone is easier. Is a Framework laptop as seamless as a MacBook? No. There's got to be a compromise. That's the nature of it.
Your whole "thank you for the airtime" seemed really petty and like you had a personal grudge against a reviewer for doing their job. Do you really think many people will buy a Fairphone after such a hard-hitting review? I was going to and after seeing the problems he had I decided against it even though I firmly believe in the mission.
Try to do this kind of thing with a more open mind. It felt like you were kinda acting stroppy in this video and it's really off-putting when your company is A+ otherwise. I hope it improves in the future.
Tbh redmagic has made phones with an under display front camera so there doesn't have to be a hole punch, but it seems to be a pretty new thing so far. Maybe the Fairphone 6 would have it but idk.
@@Vulcannyx I'm using an ROG Phone 7 Ultimate right now. Been using ROG since 2019. I swear they just get everything right for me, I just wish they were easier to repair.
@@mitchib1440 I find it weird you complained about it not having uniform bezels and later saying you have a ROG Phone 7 Ultimate. I was already going to ask you which phone you have, because the only phones in the whole universe that have had uniform bezels and still have to this date are the iPhones. It always baffles me how any other company couldn't replicate this yet.
@@LinuxIsNotAnOperatingSystemoh sorry, I mean top and bottom. I don't care if the sides are different. As long as top and bottom are the same thickness, and left and right are the same thickness. My bad, I should've been clearer with that.
iPhones are probably the worst at the moment with their ridiculous camera cutout. To me, that's even worse than having a massive forehead and chin. I hate displays that have a hole punch or a notch or any other display intrusion. I'd genuinely rather have fat bezels.
I want to be able to turn my phone to landscape and have the entire screen still be symmetrical. If you have a giant pill-shaped cutout on one side then that's not symmetrical and would annoy me so much when watching videos. I'm honestly amazed that Apple still hasn't solved that one.
@@LinuxIsNotAnOperatingSystem sorry? my nothing phone 1 and a LOT of samsung's current lineup of phones have even bezels
Dude, there are a lot of places in this video Miquel says things like "is that what you want to do?" or "really Linus?"
For a company that's about Right to Repair or user freedom, it's really not your place to judge the user. Y'all should try your best to give users the choice
but that's the thing though! Giving users choices requires making our own choices about what the Fairphone 5 can offer - and we've put in a ton of time to make balanced decisions that make the most of the hard- and software. We felt like Linus ignored most of that - so that's where the "really's" come in :)
He didn't ignore it, in fact your editors cut out several points where he addressed such choices so you could have Miquel explain it instead. What he is criticizing is those choices, he thinks some of them were just the wrong choice to make, like for example the choice of chip, I understand the long term software support was strong but other companies are now also offering long term updates that are as long as this but they do not make the same compromises on performance and battery life. @one
Edit: Overall the "really's" and "is that what you want to do?" comments come off as unprofessional and to be honest with you it is disappointing considering how much it had seemed you had put users first.
As someone who was looking into the fairphone, I agree with a lot of Linus's complaints, the battery simply isnt good enough for me with all of the work that I do and I really wish you all would listen more instead of acting passive aggressive and dismissive. This was your chance to show you were taking steps to fix these issues but now I'm not so confident you will.
@@Fairphone Sounds like you guys made some tough choices. I really like the phone and will definitely add it to my consideration pile once it's available in Canada.
BUT, I'm going to be blunt with you, you came across EXTREMELY defensively in this reaction video. The problem is that being defensive doesn't make us feel like you care about criticism, even if it was a bit on the tough side. Not caring about criticism means you don't care about your customer's input and thereby them. For some of us a lot of his dealbreakers are legitimate issues. Your job in this video isn't to give us ANY "Really" comments with a sour look. Your job is to point out the positives the phone has, point out the changes that are coming and the things your thinking of for the future. If you don't know something (like they they played youtube for hours to test battery life, which by the way it's so that they can see how long it will stay on while performing a constant common task that people do), say that and that you are going to have some testing done for yourself and you'll post the results somewhere and then actually do that. Show us that you care about EVERYONE'S criticism, regardless of how harsh it is. As soon as you lose our respect, your nothing but another Samsung or Apple phone.
@@MrTheJeoffindeed he is very defensive. He's having a very good point saying that for a basic phone use, it's a good phone, but if you want more, it's probably not the ideal phone. And this shouldn't be something they should get defensive.
But seriously, does it make sense to trade-off anything (price, repairability, etc.) against having less tint from a 70 deg. angle of the display? Absolutely not, so its dumb to criticise that in a review.
But moving the back button should be standard. Please add that feature.
Even tho I would scream if the back button was for some dumb reason moved to the right side, I agree with having the option to move it, muscle memory is a real thing. Especially for navigation that you use all the time. But regardless I'm going to flash Calyx OS de-googled OS on it anyways that probably has that option.
To be fait that's the default android behavior. On my pixel 7 I can't change, and it pisses me off.
Complain to Google than
if i wasnt watching 10 or more hours of youtube consistently, i wouldn't be watching this. think about that
🤔🤔🤔
What's a TV? @@Fairphone
And it was 10h with 480p, so you can imagine results for 720p / 1080p.
I think he is missing the point of the test. It's not that many would actually watch TH-cam for 10 hours. That was just a consistent way to test the phones battery with screen on and some CPU usage.
A better response would be that the battery life is worse due to how it is removable and therefore less capacity for the same footprint. However, since it is removable, you can replace the battery when it starts to no longer last all day. Not something you can do easily with pixel.
@@JonSnyderfudge it's still not a good test, different types of work have a varying amount of impact on battery life based on the hardware that device has. This often results in circumstantial evidence especially considering different codecs, bitrates, bandwidth, memory, etc. For example, my phone has an ltpo screen so reading emails and browsing social media will have a drastically different impact compared to a device that has a more efficient decoder when it comes to VP9 but is stuck at 60fps. If the codec is for example AV1 or HEVC the battery life metrics could be very different on the same device. Etc
The test only shows which device can play TH-cam the longest, it doesn't even include different video apps in that measurement.
You can have wireless charging coil on the back cover and still have it removable, like Samsung Galaxy S5 did years ago
Samsung was the GOAT back then....I remember people still carrying around s3's almost a decade after it came out
What makes a Great Phone?
In my case, it is a phone with no drama.
What is drama?
1. Features that don't work, but are advertised to work.
2. Performance that is uneven. It does not have to be instant, but if the response time to something changes, each time to try to use it, that is a fair.
3. User interfaces that are not consistent in the size of text based on the size preference selected by the user.
4. Background and foreground colors not being consistent with the base system color choices selected by the user.
5. Inability to get parts or be able to repair the device that you already own.
6. Selection of phone materials that do not align with the typical use case. For example, making the back of the phone out of glass.
7. Inability of the phone to work with whatever cell phone carrier I select.
8. A phone that does not keep up the the security patches and OS upgrades. Given how much we all have to DO with our phones today, it is too large a security risk to have a phone that lags behind.
For now, after a long time of using iPhones and Samsung phones, the best drama free phone I can get, here in the US, is the Pixel phone series.
I look forward to the day that Fairphones are shipping, from Fairphone, to the US.
Keep up the good work!
If you're a Fairphone fan, you probably love this video. But if you don't already love Fairphone, this video is not converting you to be a customer. Very defensive, didn't really take feedback well. There are upsides to the Fairphone, but you can't just gloss over/deflect all criticism.
exactly, I'm not for or against fairphone, but not actually explaining the justification for their decisions is really turning me away. I know there are some sacrifices that must be made in such a repairable phone, but some others just seem excessive (like the lack of wireless charging because "they want more efficient charging", essentially just removing an option from the user)
@@izanefe4231 customers choice, you cant have everything you get from an 1400 Euro Unfair phone on a 700 Euro Fairphone. A brand can expect a certain level of intelligence from their customer base. If not, then this group is not their customer base. Simple.
@@vennemans9113 a tip for you as well, gatekeeping doesn't help the brand you're supporting
@@vennemans9113 nobody is talking about €1400 Unfair phone. Unfortunately fairphone looks like its worse than €400 phones... used. (also helps the environment). I just wish they had a headphone jack and I would buy it in a heartbeat
If my current phone breaks, i know what my next phone would be.
How does Linus expect a privately held company (Fairphone) that has a net worth in the millions to compete with Samsung that has a net worth in the billions AND is subsidized by their national government? Fairphone only has been in the game since 2010, yet Linus wants Fairphone to compete with a tech giant phone that has had billions of dollars of R&D poured into it over the years?
Easily removable batteries have been a HUGE request from tens of millions of people from all over the globe. Big tech won't do it for obvious reasons. Kudos to Fairphone for giving us the option to replace batteries and for being able to remove them from the handset for privacy/location tracking reasons.
Most of Linus's complaints were personal preferences. The SIM slot location for example, was standard on older Nokia phones; in the back, underneath the easily removable battery. The only reason why people like Linus would want an exterior SIM slot side location is because he wants to switch phones all day long because he has so many of them. Most people have only one phone and that SIM always stays in there.
Yes, like with any handset, there will always be room for improvement. While Fairphone is not the cheapest phone on the market, Fairphone cannot survive by giving away their phones for (U.S.)$100.00 just because it doesn't meet the specs and performance of a Samsung Galaxy S24 Ultra.
Think of the price point of the Fairphone as an investment in competition, alternatives, choices, and the free market. That's something that Apple, Samsung, Alphabet (Google) and Microsoft are against.
a FairPhone might not me my cup of tea. But as for someone like my dad who dose construction work. I can see the fairPhone being a way better option. Especially for those who just wanna use their phone to make calls, text, take pictures and play some basic games. I am so recommending the fairphone to my dad. Keep up the great work FairPhone.
Honestly I use my phone a lot, I watch videos and I'm on social media a fair bit, and the FP5 is perfect for that! It's not at all a phone that's just suitable for calls, texts, pictures and some basic games-- though I don't really play any mobile games myself. The FP4 wasn't for me, I looked into it about a year or so ago, the screen quality was the main dealbreaker for me (seeing as I like to watch movies & such on my phone), but I did end up making the switch when the FP5 came out. I had to slightly downgrade in a few aspects of it compared to my old phone (and upgrade in orders) but I've concluded I can live with that if it means having a phone that lasts a long time and is easily repairable if it breaks. It's a personal consideration and not everyone's phone habits work out with every model, I'd say I'm lucky that I'm not all that interested in mobile games at all, because that means the FP5 works out really well for me 😄
I think this video is a developers at blizcon kinda thing. These are people who are really passionate about that they do, but aren't the most PR trained
Dear Fairphone, I'm a proud owner of Fairphone 5, but the photo quality is subpar. Do you plan any software fixes to improve the quality of pictures?
i doubt they will, fairphone isnt really known for cameras
"Are you a professional photographer? No, of course not! It's improved(slightly) from the Fairphone 4." -Guy from this video
@@Hotlog69 you might be right, but when I say "subpar" I refer to the camera performance of smartphones released a decade ago. In low-light environment it performs horrendously.
@@ivanfomin4070 Bro... They do not care 😂😂
My biggest issue with FairPhone 5 is that it is not available in the USA. Other than that, it's my favorite phone!
What Linus said in the end, that he would recommend sooner that someone buy a used phone instead of the FP5, has a bit of merit. If you are a user who is comfortable with opening up glass backed phones and changing glued down batteries and is not looking to hold on to your phone for more than a couple of years - go ahead! Reuse is good! But then again, ethical concerns like where the lithium and cobalt for your battery is mined if you are replacing the old one in your samsung will not be addressed.
Still, the FP5 is a phone you absolutely CAN use, you CAN repair and replace wear items like the battery, and you can trust the company is going to support it for years to come. To me it is a no brainer. (I don't have one YET, as my current and non-fair phone is alive and kicking. But I know what my next phone will be)
I've only changed phones because they stopped working or the charger port broke. Replacing those was 1/3rd of a new(ish) phone. Although I'd love to simply replace my usb port on my xiaomi 10 it was slightly more expensive to get a xiaomi 12. My phone before the xiaomi 10 was a Samsung where the power button fell off and before that I had a Huawei where the screen broke. I could have had the same phone now instead of buying 4 new ones
I still can't get behind the lack of a 3.5mm headphone jack.
Is there a a FairPhone display, without front-camera notch? or any plans to do such components?
Is there a way to try a Fairphone for a couple of weeks (like leasing it)? I went with a Google Pixel because I feared that battery, weight, updates, connectivity and dimensions could be an issue. I love the ability to use WiFi and HotSpot at the same time in Google Pixel as this allows me some lazines and other networking wizardy for devices connecting to that HotSpot and I have no clue if properly supported by Fairphone. Also my local store had no option to test it for a while.
I find problems with right or left return button also as big and deletion of google widget, we can do everything with hardware but not with software? Its not a deal breaker but something that can be fixed in future updates
agree! We're looking into it
I will be getting a Fairphone 5 for my mum whenever I can afford to do so. I love the cause of the company and she's not really a modern phone user anyway, but I'll finally be able to send her photos.
Get your mum an iPhone 14 and a heavy duty case. Infinitely beer for her.
@@ieditedmyname289 She would hate iPhone, gesture based OS wouldn't be for her. She needs 3 button navigation that android has
He literaly said he wants to support the cause and does not have a lot of money but he will still look forward to buy one for the mother, and you come here with even more expensive un-fair monopolistic garbage company device? Ignorance this days really has no borders.
@@ieditedmyname289 damn you got destroyed lol
@@ieditedmyname289 lmao why would you buy an iphone
A deal breaker is a deal breaker the moment it happens. I don't know about your phone company, but many others have abysmally slow software updates so waiting for you to patch a deal breaker level issue isn't an option for anyone and nobody is going to give you a break - that's just reality. For all we know, it may never be patched. 10:51
I agree with the general sentiment that this response could’ve been done better, but the original video was extremely nitpicky…
There was some part of the Linus video missing. That was strange.
Overall. Yeah. The comments under Linus video basically said the same thing.
I like my Fairphone 5 very much and my wife likes her Fairphone 4 very much.
we left out the parts, where Miquel repeated himself or didn't have much to add - tried to get to the biggest points a bit quicker. Let us know if you have specific questions - we could dig through the rough cut and find some answers for you :)
@@Fairphone I think it's a bit weird as generally in today's age a "reaction" is someone watching and posting an unedited video of them watching and genuinely reacting to what they are seeing. This being edited is now a response video, not a reaction video. It plays and feels like a response video and unfortunately it's the kind of response video where we generally get a "sorry guys" video a week or so later.
For reference this phone costs £500 in the UK
You can also get for £500
Pixel 7a
Other last gen flagships
Issues with this response:
- Talks about efficiency loss from wireless charging but it still should be included for the price you are paying.....
- For the SD card complaint, even if YOU only need to do it once it doesn't mean others may have different uses. They may want to constantly back up photos via SD or maybe they shoot with a camera and want to see the photos on a phone. But using a cable is still possible so this isn't much of an issue.
- The bezels. Is this guys only comparison to the last phone they made. This must be the stupidest non response ever, pretty much a theme through this video that he's oblivious to the actual market and other phones. "Works really well" he says lolllllll.
- The thinness and weight are all valid criticisms that he glosses over, no one cares if your phone is lighter than the last one you made... You buy a phone to use the phone and thinness and lightness are all factors of long term usability. Sure your phone is repairable but what's the point when it's laggy and cumbersome to even use.
- TH-cam playback is a standard test to check battery life, but this guy thinks like using your phone regularly not on TH-cam will give better results. 10 hours sucks.
- Performance wise, I can't begin to think if this guy doesn't get the criticism or is he just stupid. The whole point in this review is this phone doesn't make sense at its price point. Used old phones are more ethical and PERFORM BETTER. Why the fuck do you need a £600 phone when you only need email and calls. The main market segment for this phone really seems to be for people who break their phone regularly or they are stupid. Even eco mentalists will know that old phones are more sustainable than creating new e-waste. Unless your only business is to virtue signal with your "ethically sourced phone" I can't find a reason to buy this phone for that price.
- The software gripes and issues. I'll give them slack here, software as a whole is very subjective to people so Linus's issues may seem like non issues to other people so I won't comment. But the bugs need to be gone.
Overall I just want to say this, what makes a phone good is entirely subjective. But for this price, the bugs and performance issues are not a good sign. If you just want a phone to call and email then get an old phone. Why create more junk when there are already phones out there that can satisfy your needs.
In my experience Android does not handle the removal or insertion of an SD card while powered on very well.
@@zulu02280Maybe you had bad experiences. Android treats Sims and SD cards the same even on hot swap, I've never had issues. Again that's just me.
@@zulu02280 removal not so much since in my phone I need to press eject if I want to do it while on but I never have problem with inserting it while on
"Sure your phone is repairable but what's the point when it's laggy and cumbersome to even use." If you don't value repairability over other things, then it is OBVIOUSLY not the phone for you. FP very very very clearly states that it puts repairability and sustainability over other qualities. So to compare it to other phones without even including those categories in the comparision is stupid. Also, the impact FP has on the market is to include those categories in people's decision making, it's to give them visibility so large companies are forced to take them into account. Because I don't know if you have any experience with this, but fixing an iPhone is an extreme pain in the ass. You need 4 different screwdrivers, isopropyl alcohol, a heat pad, pryers, replacament sealant tape, etc etc. If you prove people are willing to pay for these things, you are making a difference long-term. Also, second hand phones usually last like 6 months: they are second hand for a reason, people got rid of them.
The Pixel 7a is also pretty repairable by the way. I'd say every families' "IT Guy" could and would.
about the youtube battery test, it is just used to benchmark the battery since your phone is not meant for gaming, you asking "do you wanna watch 10h of youtube" does not justify your loss
Hi! Any thoughts on making a smaller version of fairphone 5+/6 in the future? Thanks!
Some items where i see a different aspect then you see. The biggest is that you see this review from linus in the light of the improvements you made from the FP 4 now to the FP 5. He reviews the phone from a more general & personal perspective.
Where he criticizes gaming performance, this is not about playing games on your phone. This is a method of comparing the overall performance of the phone this is something you can extrapolate as programs and os updated become more demanding of the device. Where you want an amazing maybe overspec'd phone today so it is still great after those 6-8 years. I thought it was clear as this comparison was made after showing the relative responsiveness when even comparing it to the older samsung.
And why dismiss his point about the battery life that is half of the pixel 8? "Oh the test that was run was bad for your mental health who actually wants to watch 10 hours of youtube?" This was pretty dismissive and some context here if you actually disagreed would have been nice.
Criticizing his deal breaker for the backbutton position is kind of stupid honestly. It is obvious this is a divisive point in the community. Just remember the sony expedia phones and all the other strang things those phones had... Also Apple gets criticized heavily for similar problems, just because it feels like nit picking doesn't mean it is not valid.
And his ideas in the end when comparing the repeatability of the FP5 to the samsung are not fundamentally wrong. If you would increase the complexity only slightly you might create a WAY more appealing phone. When some waterproofing could be introduced, or a slimmer phone was the result of a small compromise this would make the phone be more appealing to a way broader segment of consumers.
As a someone waiting to buy a FP5 i really feel that these comments he made really are not that outragous, this phone when compared to other phones is expensive (for the right reasons ofcourse) while also compromising on what you are getting. I personally am willing to pay twice (price and product) for the cause but that does not invalidate the concerns he brings up.
Fair points all around - especially on the Fairphone 4 comparison. Miquel brought that up, because Linus reviewed that one quite favourably, while criticising the same things this time around. But you're right of course - we designed the Fairphone 5 to be an alternative for everyone who's looking for a phone right now, not (just) to top the best we could do in 2021. And while we don't agree with some of his points and find the overall take a bit one-sided, we don't mean to invalidate any of his concerns!
@@Fairphone "Fair points all around - especially on the Fairphone 4 comparison. Miquel brought that up, because Linus reviewed that one quite favourably, while criticising the same things this time around."
Sure but you also raised the price and are competing in an even more developed market, phones have gotten more repairable as a whole so just having the best repairability isn't enough anymore.
I love your concept and I wish big tech youtubers like MKBHD and Mrwhosetheboss gave you a 2023 prize, as the most sustainable phone.
Also why care for a wireless charging? When you can simply open the case and change battery. It's instant 100%.
You're a great company. Keep doing the good work. 👏
11:00 The review is for buying the phone at launch. And "it might be fixed in the future" isn't a reliable way to get a reliable phone.
How often do you access the SD card?
I'm a bit of an extreme case, but every few days, as I use my phone in conjunction with other things that the SD card is the only way to move data onto and off of them, and I use my phone as a download point and file manager when I'm not at home.
Is there a fairphone 5 in the US that has android on it to buy??
Nope
Thic bezels absolutely rock! *Much* *more* practical in daily usage.
Am I correct, are you using a MacBook? Is it easy to repair and can the battery be replaced easily than other laptops? I do not think.
@3:25, to be fair went I take pictures with my dslr I like to move those pictures to my phone when I'm not near a computer and process those there once in a while. However I have noticed that when the sd card and sim are on the same tray there is a chance that the sd card maybe corrupted due to contacting the sim card contacts when the phone is on.
@FairPhone do you guys make a budget phone? Please consider this going forward. I understand the amazing work you do but I struggle to buy one due to the cost
looking into it :)
The criticism on the SD and SIM cards not being able to be removed unless the battery is out is valid. If you travel a lot internationally, the SIM needs to come out often; or if you often transfer a lot of data to and from your device (productivity feature); having to take the battery out complicates the swap operation in a couple of ways:
1) You only know if the SIM or SD card is installed properly after powering the device back on -- you don't get immediate feedback. The process of diagnosing a hardware issue with this device requires several boot cycles and an hour or more of time where a device with a quick ejection tray which I can test multiple SIMs and SD cards in a few minutes.
2) If I am looking to transfer files from the SD card to my laptop, removing the SD card creates a period where I am not reachable on my phone by anyone. Given that I am going to be reinstalling the SD card back on the device after completing my data transaction, I personally wouldn't both installing the battery back in the device immediately because that would quite frankly be a waste of time.
3) It increases the number of events where the user handles the battery of the device. I get that one of the biggest points of the Fairphone is that this is a simple operation that increases the longevity of the device, but mechanical operations concerning lithium ion or like material batteries should be minimized wherever possible. I don't know how the interior of the battery on your device is set up, but if I had to guess you've used solder, which in my experience working with batteries of the like is often brittle and leads to all kinds of failures. This is a failure in your design that will force users to buy batteries more often.
I love the idea of the fair phone. I've heard from various places they can be a bit more jank than some other larger manufacturers, or have less OS customization. For as much as I rely on my phone for many day-to-day tasks having it be rock solid, and customizable to optimize my time so I use it as little as possible is pretty important. I would likely have tried the fairphone 5 if It were out when I picked up my last phone (generally once every 4 years or so)
I'm really hoping I can see an awesome product with strong customization in the OS and a real smooth operation when it comes to getting my next phone in a few years time.
I love what you guys are doing here please keep up the awesome work you're doing to legitimately make this aspect of the world better.
I mean yeah it can be said that many of the things Linus criticised were nitpicky or maybe not an important issue at Fairphone but idk the way it was addressed in this video wasn't the best imo. A lot of the criticism was simply dismissed even tho it was showing that other phones were performing way better. I mean yeah maybe you shouldn't be looking at youtube for 10 hours and yeah maybe this was a very specific use case test but i mean it still shows something about the phone and it performed poorly. No point in denying that.
Yo, wanted to say that I love the effort the company is putting into making something that should be industry shifting. I feel like you and Framework are working on similar points and are pursuing a similar objective.
It's incredible thar you are still able to put in consumers' hands something that has high "environmental value" while still being perfectly usable and on par with some of the offers on the market. I completely understand that being able to fetch fair materials and components has to be a real pain because other competitors can just get their hands on better hardware just because of the lack of moral.
This of course exposes you to some of the, I guess, founded critiques that Linus moves, he is the prototype of the consumer that could decide to go fairphone and do a favour to the environment and the people along the production line, but still has the ability to just go for Xiaomi / Oppo or whatever, sell is data and soul to big corpo and get a phone that is extremely competitive and (maybe) more aesthetically pleasing.
Unfortunately I am one of those guys as well (decided to go Motorola becauwe it wws cheaper). I wish your products could cost a bit less, but I guess, with how thigs are right now it must be hard to price it differently, especially if you want to pay your staff fairly. I'm going to keep my eyes peeled for future updates and releases though.
Cheers from Italy ❤
I'm not saying linus was 100% fair, but this company really seems like they can't take feedback at all. Linus does make some good points and they are all very defensively replied to.
that's a bummer - didn't mean for it to come across like that. Of course we're all super passionate about our phone and our mission, but while sitting down with Miquel, we thought he was pretty balanced in agreeing and defending. Fair enough, though & thanks for watching!
I think they did a fine job at taking the feedback on. Maybe it's hustle that he had a reply for everything. But when you design everything in a phone you know the choices you made so was super interesting to here how they came out. Also given he made a list of things Linus said that they hadn't thought about I would say they are taking it on. Lastly I think a super point to make about what people are looking for when they buy a fair phone. Linus ain't looking for that when you could have best of the best and very tech savvy. To Linus it's all about the price to performance but at fair phone they add in sustainability as a big third factor
@@SpaceDropletwhen the response is along the line "it's better than our last gen" it feels defensive
@@Fairphone I appreciate your taking the time to do the video in the first place and that you're active in the comments. I do think you make a good product, if I was in the market for a new phone I would consider it for sure.
@@hithere1219you can feel anything you want. That doesn’t make it true for anyone else but you
if the phone wasn't bad enough the shit that came out of this guy's mouth is more than enough to keep me away from this company
I love my fairphone 3+, I like heavier phones with a metal feel, and sturdy as well since I work in automation. The fairphone company makes me excited to see what they will do next. Edit : Yes fairphone developing their launcher would be cool.
I have the fairphone 4 and love it. It performs perfect for a normal person who needs a phone. I don’t need a supercomputer. I get worn out by tech reviewers and specs. People who bought this phone did for a different reason….appreciate the reaction and ownership of device’s performance.
Stupid phone The only feature it has is changing the battery, with that price you have alot and I mean alot of good phone choices
To be “fair”… he is asking to customers how many times do you change sd card and i want to ask; how many times do you replace a camera?
Hi. Just stumbled onto the FairPhone & I dig what you're doing & I like e/OS. I live in America. Is there a new FairPhone in the works? If so, how long before release? Can I buy an overseas FP & use it in America?
Hope you guys break into the us market by the time my pixel 8 stops receiving security updates!
I'll be looking for you guys in ~2030 < be there or be square
Come to America! I will be ordering your phone when my pixel gets recycled
I was really on the edge to change to the FF5 from my 4 years old LG, but after watching some reviews and benchmarks it turns out it's gonna be slower than my current old phone. So I chose the most sustainable option of just using it for another year.
Is e/os being developed for FP5?
to be fair to his criticism of the sd card slot being behind the battery, there are plenty of scenarios where someone would be changing sd cards frequently, maybe more than once a day
one should not be so arrogant as to dismiss this criticism
I find it much more convenient, for example, to move my photos from the Fairphone to my PC via WiFi (aka WLAN in germany). I use the MyPhoneExplorer app for this. (More than 1.000 photos a month, business, documentation)
What, like a photographer or videographer? Maybe don't use a phone for that.
It's a rare problem. Even if you DO need to change an SD card that often, I've never seen a phone where the microSD card slot is exposed like on a PC for fast swapping. It's always under some sort of cover or in a tray. I'd argue the tray is the most tedious because you have to use that tiny tool to get the tray out.
Lemme tell you hwat... If you're changing SD cards basically at all you need to get a bigger one. It isn't 2011, they're cheap as fuck and massive. And like the last guy said, it's a phone. If you're playing photographer get a camera.
I would love to see a follow up on the "Linus-List". As a proud owner of a FP5 myself I must admit that i experienced some software hickups especially with video playback and (I guess) battery saving routines. I associated those issues with all the crap I loaded mindlessly on the new one from my old samsung via the google one click thingy. Last update how ever cleaned it up. sometimes it looks a bit funky but it catches itself after a visit to the homescreen. Please cut my fellow nerds some slack when it comes to "regular use". First thing I tried, was hooking that thing up to a 4k touch screen and see if the hidden desktop mode in android works. And to your credit it did. at 60Hz even. Still though, I doubt that it matters for the average user. I understand your message about the necessity of your design choises and compromises. Rather then reframing Linus critique as pointless I would like to here more detailed reasons on the intricacies said design decisions. Nerds want information. We already know we are the wierd one. However I understand wholeheartedly that getting picked appart does not feel like the efford you undoubtedly undertook especially for the FP5 was validated. But please consider this. You rely on people who are willing to make a consious purchasing decision when it comes to ordering a new mobile phone. Please be understanding to the tech-folk that is often entrusted with a multidute of such decisions but also somewhat cursed with a slight social inapticy. I for instance was ask to order phones for my extended family for a long time so that every generation from the FP3 on is in use. Basically, I think we all want the same thing here. Using a cool phone while keeping the planet we can use it on.
3:21 the problem and point there isn't how many times you do it, it's that when you have to do it, you have to basically mess up everything by powering down the device in order to do it which is not needed and it reduced your productivity by adding unnecessary steps (getting phone calls, bank update transaction approvals or notifications etc etc), it's not a statistical issue, it's an event based one so imagine how much worse this would be for someone like me for example who does a backup on my entire micro SD card every month from my Poco F1 which i can take it out anytime i want, after ejecting it safely and continue working with my device until the backup finished and i can pop it back in.
A 2018 phone already defeats most new ones including Fairphone entirely (for me!) simply because this is a major feature i am which i am not willing to compromise to any capacity, having a secondary backup storage on my device which if something happens to the device itself, my latest offline backup which i already have elsewhere is, 99.99% accessible and usable, this is why i am not getting a new phone any time soon, nor a Fphone because i was considering it.
very cordial response to this critical video. Much respect, @fairphone team!
When you start shipping to the US, I will be the first one to buy your phones.
There is no point in making a "Fair" Phone if nobody will buy it because it's subpar. People will just buy a second hand phone with a replaced battery which is better for the environment and the pocket.
"subpar" in your world, i.e. your priorities. They cannot be generalized.
If my top priorities are fair production, repairability, google free, then Fairphone 5 with Mureno is above par...
But the stock OS on the fairphone is very far from google-free
rome wasn’t built in a day.
It's so weird when thickness is brought up. Who cares if your phone is 12mm or 9mm thin? If anything thinner phones are harder to hold and heat up faster. This looks over practicality thing needs to end for a device we use daily
Tl;dr: you don't need any of the features that our magnificent Fairphone 5 is missing.
First: it is brave of you, to discuss such a review (which is definitively flavoured with the personal opinion of Linus - of course, since he is discussing if he will keep the phone). Also to consider some points.
But sometimes it seems to be, that you decide, what a customer should want. And sorry to disagree at some points: Wireless charging is necessary in 2024. The efficiency is all in all not an issue - there are way bigger problems out there. Also the "who uses a phone for 10 hours youtube": There are people who use it for youtube quite some time. For music, background etc.. And if you add some additional, more demanding (such as navigation or a short game, videotaking) it means, that the phone cannot last for a single day. And this is unacceptable.
For me, all in all, the reason not to buy a FairPhone: The price. 500€ for a FairPhone 4 or 700€ for a 5, I absolutely don't see the point. Especially, as you mention several times, for easier tasks - nope. I payed for my last phone 200€, I'm using it daily since 4-5 years. And it is absolutely sufficient. I would pay some extra bucks for a fair phone, but not 300-500€ extra. Maybe one day with eink for about 300€ all in all? That would be interesting.
Thanks! And appreciate the feedback, too - so please, no apologies :)
We can definitely see your points, both on missing features and on price. For us, it comes down to a lot of complex choices with what we're trying to achieve and the added complexity of the fairest possible value chain. The more the entire industry moves with us and ethical production becomes the norm, the more affordable the devices will end up being. And all of our impact programs are open source and scalable, btw. - meaning that all other brands out there are invited to join us. So maybe in the future, you'll have even more fair options. Either way, it's great the conversation is going and we're definitely taking notes here, so thank you!
Maybe it's time to understand that the cost you save on a "cheap" phone, someone else pays for it. 200 - 300 € for a phone is not possible at this day and age if *everything* in the phone's production chain shall be fair. It's a matter of priority.
@@HorstKirkPageKian depends on hardware and automatisation and scale. But, as I said, I would be fine with paying some extra, but not 2.5 times the price. It does not have to be such expensive to pay the workers enough ;).
@@gregor2436 that's exactly it - the giant companies out there could truly leverage their scale to offer more affordable ethical products. For now, the best we can do is to show that fairer phones are possible and that there's a growing demand for tech that doesn't exploit people and planet. And the good news is, that slowly but surely, we see other players in the industry starting to wake up. Paying workers a living wage is one important aspect, but if you're interested in the bigger picture, you could have a look at our impact report - or check out the short documentary "Behind the Screens" :)
This guy doesn't seem to take constructive criticism very well, compare this guy to the CEO of the Nothig phone, they treat opinions very differently, it's not a great look in my opinion.
He actually took the few constructive criticism seriously, the bullshit (that was mostly Linus review) was not taken seriously, and for a good reason. In your opinion ir you are used to seeing a house size notch, because you are using apple iphone, then any device should have that? If you can't get used to simple gestures or button allience, then do not buy the device, but do not make your problem, to be others problem. I have no problem with stock android ways of navigation, and i find no reason as of why fariphone should take Linus claim seriously.
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Since Fairphone 3's software support ends well into 2026 and new model is released every other year, I'll be upgrading to Fairphone 6 or 7.
Is this available globally?
"Note 5 is openable like a Fairphone, look "
[Take is chemical kits with is breaking bad lunch box]
Exactly!
well it is openable, he didn’t say easily.
This was a bad PR flex. Most of LTT´s concerns are fair and very important for potential buyers, seeing the product manager dismiss most of them, makes me not wanting to go with them.
Since it seems many of the issues brougth up are software related, have you considered using an open-source android distro like Lineage OS? It would help you out a ton, provide better software and providie even longer OS support.
There is a fairphone 5 model which comes with /e/ os sold by murena and calyx os is currently working on fairphone 5 support. So there should be more options available pretty soon.
It amazes me how much Linus loves the smell of his own, er, how biased he is. In the same WAN show he'll champion repairability and the compromises that have been made to achieve that goal (Framework vs say LG Gram), but then call a product inferior because it's bigger and than his mobile of choice. It seems the Linus tick of approval is (more and more) entirely dependent on whether he likes it or not, and not determined by its measurable suitability for the target market.
The biggest problem I have with the Fairphone is that you don't sell it in my country.
This is a 700€ phone that is outclassed by 350€ phones. Consumers demand more.
And no headphone jack.
So much about "fair" when bluetooth earbuds are difficult to repair and it's all e-waste that dies in a year.
Arrogant replies like this don't accomplish anything. You've got an awesome product, but own up to the fact it isnt the fastest/prettiest/best phone for the price. Because that's not what your phone exists. Until right to repair movement goes mainstream, you'll always have a worse phone overall AND more expensive. Own up to it, don't bash a tech reviewer for saying the obvious, take the criticism on face value, make a better phone and because of your ethics you will come out on top. But not like this.
Did you fix his deal breaker?
3:25 I switched my SDCard at least 10 times in the last 2 weaks, because transfers over MTP are slow AF, and thanks to Sony I don't even need a SIM tool to switch the SDCard.
It's diference between having to wait 1H30 to transfer 10GB from a S22Ulta or Pixel 8 at 20MB/s at best, or removing the SD Card from my Xperia 5 III and copying those files at 90MB/s in less 15 minutes.
This reaction comes of as way to defensive and nervous. While I feel Linus was rough, many points were fair. Especially on the battery life. Obviusly no one will be watching youtube for 10 hours, it's just used as a rought estimate of how different the two are in terms of battery life.
Something that really bothers me about the peoples' response to this video is that I think almost all of it is miss-understanding from cultural differences in how Europeans vs Americans express themselves. I've spent a significant amount of time with both cultures, and can see how this would rub them the wrong way. If you have had such a reaction, I suggest re-watching it while ignoring all manerisims, tone, and turn-of-phrase. Instead focus on what is actually said. At that point I think you'll find that ALMOST everything that people are objecting to is gone.
Bahahaah "the display has a yellow tint when I use it ANGLED DOWN AWAY FROM MY FACE" hahahahahahaha who the hell uses their phone like that?
I do feel like the techie youtubers are a little too high flying with features and frankly are spoiled by endless free tech. Im a boue collared man and repairability and something NOT MADE OF DAMN GLASS is important to me. This is pretty much everything I wanted in a phone and ill be buying mine soon!
I laughed put loud when the comparison between FP5 and the other "reparable" phone was brought up. What the fuck 😂😂😂 14:57
You've gotta understand that no matter how cool your mission is, if the phone is not very competitive, it won't sell. People are all for environmental friendliness up until it effects their daily life, so it makes sense most would go for a similar priced, better specced phone.
It's annoying that there's even a camera bump in the first place Just make the whole thing thicker if you need to make the camera bigger. I actually bought a phone case just to eliminate the camera bump.