BRET HART DISCUSSES PITCHING THE ORIGINAL LADDER MATCH CONCEPT TO VINCE AND RAZOR RAMON'S DEBUT. ALL VIDEO RIGHTS GO TO KAYFABE COMMENTARIES. USED UNDER THE FAIR USE ACT.
To be fair though , One of the things I like most about Bret Hart is his humanity . He isn't fake. You could say he has too big of an appreciation for himself if you like , but what he says is straight from the hip and sincere . Its far better to hear than some of the more calculated political things you hear from wrestlers who are always in business mode . ( not wanting to piss Vince off )
+Jennifer Meaux Totally agree. I've always said that Bret is just a straight shooter, gives praise to anyone that deserves it (including himself) and doesn't lie to spare feelings. The reason he talks about himself so much is because he gets asked about himself so much, but he tells it like it is no matter the subject. Wish there were more like him.
+Axel Janes Bret's good guy persona with principle didn't fit in the late 90s. We were starting to have a different era. Bad boy attitude era. In general. Lots of gangbanging here in la and just bad rebellious attitude.
absolutely. he has no reason to lie or make shit up. his facts may not always be 100% but of course a stroke will do that to you, my mom has those moments too but you can hardly tell, and he may seem like he takes things really serious but thats why he had the career he did and why hes looked up to by so many, myself included
“...Davey was over pretty strong in England”....dude, he’s still a national treasure to us British wrestling fans, as is Steven/William Regal. They’re our boys!
Notice how much time Bret spends talking about match ideas and how proud he is of the show he put on, and how he spends almost no time at all talking about money. Nash's shoot interviews are ONLY about money and screwing with people backstage.
Scott hall kills people, xpac hits woman , hbk is a total scumbag, hhh buried people , and Kevin Nash domestic violence, Bret hart does none of these things
So according to Bret, he offers the idea of the Ladder Match to Vince, and Vince is on the fence about it but then agrees for Bret to have a demo match with Shawn Michaels which went very well. A couple years later when the WrestleMania X Ladder Match between Shawn Michaels and Razor Ramon is announced all of a sudden Bret says that they stole his idea and also didn’t ask for his permission to do the Ladder Match...... That’s a pretty ridiculous point of view. Bret pitched the idea to Vince two years prior. In my opinion it seems like Bret is a little bitter because the Shawn/Razor Ladder Match is talked about more and is and is also held in a higher regard that the match that Bret had with his brother Owen on the same show...
Most guys speak Highly of Hennig. Great guy backstage, funny ribs, party guy, awesome color commentator and an extremely safe worker. Something I always hear when someone talks about Curt is that whenever they’re wrestling it’s be “A night off” for the other man. Absolutely brilliant wrestler, amazing person and definitely my number one favorite.
@@madhatter8508 I thought it was the Undertaker. It was mentioned on Something to wrestle with when Conrad interviewed Bruce Prichard. O don't know Either way gross lol 😂🤣😂🤮
These are incredible to watch. Bret Hart comes across as genuine in his comments. You believe most of what he says, and he gives you insight into why he thought a certain way during his days in the business.
@@ronniemacdonald2768 Yes a foundation with a bunch of clowns, and his brother who almost killed Austin with a shitty piledriver. Take a Bret hart match from1988 and one from 1997. Not a single move has changed. Those 20 mins of side headlocks and armbars sure are fun to watch -.-
I love Bret. He's betetr than Shanw and Razor imo. but he should give props where props are due. He can feel a bit 'ripped off' as they used the idea he introduced, but he should at least admit the match is good.
For all you bashing Bret as having exaggerated the ladder match idea. Bret has always said they did this match in Stampede and he never says he invented the ladder match. He wanted to bring the idea to WWF, showed it to Vince and wanted the idea to be used by him (fair enough since it was his idea). Look, if they were going to give the match to someone else, they could have at least asked Bret or told him before just booking it. Pretty crappy on Vince's part.
sextc89 I'm sure Bret didn't specifically ask for a ladder match at WM, but that's not the point. If Bret told Vince that he wanted the idea to be used for him and Vince agreed to that, it's pretty bad that Vince booked Shawn and Razor at WM without even telling him about it. Shawn even admits in interviews they stole the idea from him.
Chris Williams I'm sure Bret wouldn't have been thrilled but I doubt he would have been as bothered by it for so many years. Bret would have disagreed I'm sure, but he always respected people that were straight with him, even if it wasn't what he wanted to hear. I liked the Bret/Owen match at WM X better anyway. The Shawn/Razor match was great for sure, mostly because of all the unique high spots that Shawn pulled off. Razor just happened to be there. Honestly I think you could have put the Brooklyn Brawler in there with Shawn and it still would have been a damn good match. Shawn was just that good. I honestly would have loved to see Shawn and Bret do a PPV ladder match. That would have been amazing with two such awesome workers.
@109296360466307036491 First off dude no need to insult me. Just because we don't agree on a match doesn't mean I "don't know much" as you say. Razor was a big athletic guy who could work well for a guy his size. If he were focused on his wrestling versus being a drunk more often he could have been an all time great. Secondly, you compare him to Undertaker at that time. Undertaker had a Frankenstein gimmick at that time that limited his move set. It wasn't until 96'-97' and then later his "American Bad Ass" gimmick that you saw more of what he could do. There is no debate that Undertaker's matches were much better during the second half of his career than the first. Also, Razor was a good worker, but ladder matches tend to do better with smaller, high flyers, which Shawn was and Razor wasn't, so the type of match certainly showcased Shawn's ability more. That said, pretty common knowledge that Shawn carried that match and that Razor was in the ring while Shawn "wrestled a ladder" as Flair used to say.
@109296360466307036491 Ok man, I was buying a lot of what you are saying but to say that Bret and Shawn wouldn't have been a better ladder match. Obviously we are talking "what if's" here but come on. You are seriously comparing Scott Hall with Bret? Dude, I will give you that Shawn is probably the best in ring performer ever (Bret isn't the best, but he is top five), but Razor? The guy had ton of talent and a good look but was focused maybe 5% of the time. If Shawn and Bret had a ladder match in their prime when both were top flight workers and big bumpers, that would have been amazing. As far as Shawn being on drugs at the time, sure he was. But why is he considered maybe the best ever where as Hall is just another good wrestler? A lot of it is because Shawn got cleaned up. If he didn't he likely would be dead today or worse off than Jake Roberts turned out. The second career he had after he came back was just as good, if not better than his first. Sure, he lost some of his athleticism, but his story telling improved 100% from where it was and he could still work just as well as anyone WWE had. It's that second career that makes Michaels what he is today. As far as the Hall/Nash making WCW. Yeah, the NWO did for like two years before the gimmick ran dry, Hogan got too old, Hall drank himself out of the business and Nash got injured every time he sneezed. They lucked into that gimmick and it worked out for a couple of years. You can just as easily say that they helped run the company out of business between mid 98'-01'.
+Chris Williams Ok dude, first off, chill out. You write 3/4 posts for every one I write. You are all over the place with the different points you are trying to make. Secondly, no need to call me an idiot just because you and I disagree on a ladder match from over 20 years ago. So to address your 1000 points from your last four posts: 1. When you say Shawn and Bret couldn't have had a better ladder match than Shawn and Razor (whether or not anyone agrees) you are comparing Bret and Razor. 2. Bret/Shawn iron man match was not carried by either man. Shawn dominated the first half of the match offensively and Bret the second half. 3. I pretty much agree with your entire second post. 4. First off, you called me an idiot so go fuck yourself. 5. Not saying coming up with the gimmick of NWO was luck but lucky it did that well. Too bad they ran in into the ground and rolled with it about 2 years too long. 6. I had no idea how Sting came up with the crow gimmick. Thanks for the tid bit. 7. Hogan held on to the top spot in WCW way too long at the expense of younger guys. He had a later run in WWE? Uh, ok. Runs of like 2-4 months where he wrestled a few times, if you call that a run. Hogan was never a great worker and an old Hogan had zero business main eventing anything. You mention Flair but although he is an embarrassment now he did have a nice WWE run later because he is ten times the worker Hogan is. 8. The Time Warner merger didn't help WCW but there are many reasons it went under. That being one of many and Hogan and the tired NWO crap being another. 9. I think Michaels first and second runs are about equal, and they were very different. Version 1 was more athletic and edgier. Version 2 was still a great worker (not as good as verison 1) and could tell a story much better than version 1. Anyway, I'll wait for your next insult and multiple posts. Have a great day.
Should've did it 1991. Bret push was a 18 months too late. 90 and 91 he was still messing with Demolition in tag matches. Hart Foundation by 1989,ran its course. Shit,in 1987,Randy and Bret had a great match on SME. Hart was wasted from 89-91.
It took Razor Ramon all of what... six months to win his first title in the WWF? Bret was in the company for 6-7 years before he won his first singles title. It's just a size thing to Vince. The taller you are, the farther you go in the WWF.
Apparently both Hart and Savage pushed for a feud but Vince was having none of it as he was pushing the New Generation era. God knows why he let what happened at WM9 happen though
It was Tito Santana that came up with the name. Scott Hall says so himself, he went to take a piss after meeting with Vince, and he didn’t have a name, and he had the Razor part, but hall asked Santana for a surname that would be good, and he instantly spit out Ramón....and Vince instantly loved it. So, Bret is pretty spot on with most of his recollection, because Curt did in fact go in with Scott, but it was Tito Santana that gave him the name. Love you bret.
Imagine if Bret and Shawn was actually trying to put on a great Ladder match. We'd still be talking about that match to this day as one of the best matches ever. Shame it never happened.
The cage match between Bret and Owen at Summerslam 94 was not only (easily) the greatest traditional cage match of all time, but I think that match is a highly unrated match could probably should fall into anybody's top 10 list for greatest matches of all time. Not to say Bret and Owen couldn't have done a great job with a ladder match, but it would have never compared to the cage match, and while Bret and Shawn probably would have had a great ladder match, I really don't think it would have been as classic as Shawn and Razor.
I bet that its your idea and a great one at that but the match was great too. I would have liked to see Bret and Shawm(or Owen) have a ladder match as well though.
Bret is brutally honest, and a little bitter, and I respect him for both. He was always a must watch for me growing up. I wish he would have had an angle with Randy for the belt during the WWF days.
I was at the taping where the Bret-Shawn ladder match happened (July of 92 in Portland, Maine). I remember half of the fans left the arena once that match was done, and they had to darken the arena. The match was about 2/3 of the way through the taping.
1) Are you saying the left because it was great and they thought it was the main event or that they left because it was awful? 2) My best friend was at that taping (we are both from Portland, ME and were kids in 1992) and I wasn't there. She asked me if I wanted to go, but I declined because my family thought wrestling was stupid and I didn't want to tell them that I liked it. I always watched wrestling at her house because I didn't want my family to know. They found out, anyway (of course). I wish I had gone to the taping. :(
As a kid I had the taping of this Ladder Match on a VHS of various types of gimmick matches. It was called something like "WWF Most Unusual Matches" and this was definitely the highlight match of the tape.
It was actually Tito Santana who came up w/ the razor Ramon name ..hall said it in an interview, as he was the only one who spoke Spanish in the locker room
I was going to comment about how he has aged but remembered I should be thankful he's still alive as so so so many other of my childhood wrestling heroes are dead.
I’m a Bret Hart fan. A massive one. Met him twice and he was brilliant. It was a bit of a dodgy move from Vincent to take the idea and give it to someone else, but, without that, we’d never have had that classic match at mania 10 with Shawn and razor. Imagine that! Wrestling would have lost one of the greatest matches of all time. The opening technical wrestling match with Bret and Owen and the story they told was so beautiful it didn’t need any kind of gimmick. Those two matches made mania 10 what it was.
In the mid 80s, as a kid, Brett Hart was one of my fav wrestlers. Even though he was in a heel tag team at the time, I felt like his look was something special. The sunglasses, leather jacket, long greasy hair, it gave him a badass appearance and I always rooted for The Heart Foundation to win based on his look. In later decades, Raven would assume a similar look but with a 90s flair, and once again that appealed to me. A stoner baddass type of anti-hero.
I thought I caught Bret momentarily trying hard not to laugh hearing Scott Hall speak with that Spanish accent once when they were arguing back and forth to each other
Had Razor not got down the whole drug route, he would've been what Austin became. He had everything from the look, to the bad guy gimmick and he was a pretty decent wrestler.
This should be a meme... Bret showing up at different random companies/places suggesting they do a ladder match. Over and over. "I've got an idea, how about a ladder match?" "You know guys, I really think you should do a ladder match."
I agree with Bret about Shawn stealing his idea and funny enough Shawn Michaels also didn't create the superkick as it was originally created by Gentleman Chris Adams during his tenure with World Class Championship Wrestling. Chris Adams was the first person to have created it and used it. The very first Ladder match happened in Stu Hart's territory Stampede Wrestling. Shawn Michaels didn't even come up with the Heartbreak Kid nickname. It was Mr. Perfect that came up with the name in the first place. In my opinion Shawn Michaels had no original ideas but knew how to steal it from other people.
I had WWF Smack 'Em Whack 'Em on VHS a long time ago. It had both the ladder match with Shawn and Title win over Flair. I never even knew how he won the World title in the first place because they never televised the match. Flair was already gone and Bret had already dropped the title at WrestleMania IX when they released the tape too.
Razor Ramon was a WWF trademark character, so was Diesel. Which is why they went by their names when they went to WCW. Hall and Nash were fine with Hulk having the spotlight because he was making 10x what everyone else was.
"It was the idea that was great, not the match." See - I love Bret, but that's the problem with Bret in a nutshell, right there. If he had said it was a great idea and it was stolen from him and Shawn and Razor had a great match with it, then I would say, "Yeah, they really kinda cheated Bret." But the way he always has to make sure no one else sounds as good of a wrestler as him, it doesn't make you want to feel sorry for him. They DID steal his idea. They also did a great match with it because they were also great wrestlers. It doesn't have to be one or the other.
@@sc239 I think it had more to do with the storyline just fitting better for Shawn and Razor with Shawn still carrying around the old belt with the argument he was never defeated. The gimmick was a natural fit for the storyline. Bret did get ripped off but all things being equal, he was getting the belt back and his brother was getting the top heel spot. Still, Vince should have came to him if he gave his word but hey, forgiveness over permission.
He did not. That match has been around since the 60s. Pat Patterson was in few ladder matches in that era. Bret was just wanting to bring the idea back because it hadn't been done before on WWF.
Most of bret's interviews is about him being bitter about something.. And most of it had something to do about what he wanted didn't happen because there were some guys backstage that vince would listen to more than him. The thing was, bret kept thinking like an employee. But those guys whom he were so bitter about, kept thinking like business partners, and so vince would listen to them more. And so, two of them now are managing NXT and the main WWE show.
Morons out there should know ladder matches started in a big promotion in Stampede Wrestling. Which was in in......Canada!! So Bret is probobly right and it makes sense he came up with the idea of a ladder match for the title. Bret and Shawn or Bret and Razor could of been as good if not Better at Wrestlemania or Summerslam. Hell a triple threat ladder with those 3 could have been the greatest three way in History
I think what Bret said is that he came up with the idea by himself. Even though someone else had already came up with it before, Bret had no knowledge of that so it's not like Bret purposely stole the idea.
If Bret had that summerslam match with Davy boy for the ic belt and it was a ladder match it would have been better then the wrestlemaina x ladder match
he's like "so I told Vince...I have this great idea...ladder matches..." and so the next year I said it again "Hey Vince...I have this idea...ladder matches"... and so 4 months later; *Bret Hart:* Hey Vince...I have this idea... *Vince:* I KNOW, I KNOW...FUCKING LADDER MATCHES!!!
Hall said that when trying to figure out a name, he went to take a piss and Tito Santana was at the urinal next to him. He asked him for a Spanish name starting with R and right away he said Ramone.
I feel like Bret should be happy Vince used one of his ideas with the ladder match. We already saw the Bret vs HBK ladder match in 92 which was a great match, should of been a ppv match.
I'm sure this comment is on here a million times and I'm sure Bret doesn't care, which it understandable, but Scott had the name Razor and he asked Tito Santana for a name that would go with it. Tito was taking a leak when they asked and he yelled back at him, RAMON!
in Bret's book, he did say he hated Shawn for using his finish (falling from the ladder and crotching himself on the top rope) at the Wrestlemania 10 ladder match. I respect Bret and Shawn, but at that time Shawn had an ego problem. sure, he is a talented athlete, but you also need to be respectful. Bret was loyal to the locker room, as it was the guys in the locker room you needed to trust in the ring.
+shaunhailey1 ya, you're right. Shawn was a huge prick. Everyone agrees. Bret wasn't exactly mister professional though. When it came time for him to "do the job" he refused to give up the belt, hence the Montreal Screwjob, and the end of Bret's career.
apparently there was a situation where (before Montreal) that Bret said he had no problem dropping the belt to Shawn. HBK's response was 'I respect that, but I'm not willing to do the same for you'. so that set the course of things to come... if Bret had stayed, there were rumours of a ladder match between them at Royal Rumble 98
+captainthrall He didn't want to drop the belt to Shawn, cause HBK told him in the locker room that he wouldn't put him over EVER. Bret would've been willing to drop the belt to everybody but Shawn Micheals at that point of time.
no one is innocent in this debacle. later on Bret admits that he 'threw a little gas on that fire too', remember what happened to wendi richer in 1985?
But Bret didn't invent ladder matches. Pat Patterson was doing ladder matches in the 60s. It sounds here like Bret is trying to take credit for the invention of the matches
I’m speculating here, but Vince probably took that to mean that Bret would be the one to debut it in the WWF and after that it was fair game. The gimmick has been introduced so it’s only fair that others get in on it.
Bret Hart had the original idea for every single awesome thing you’ve ever seen in wrestling. He was actually the one who told Vince Sr to sign Bruno Sammartino back in the early 60’s. Everything that has ever been adored by fans in the history of wrestling was 100% a Bret Hart creation. If you don’t believe me, just ask him!
Wrestling is a complicated business. I don't think Bret ever grasped the concept that Vince would do what he wanted to do with talent, when he wanted to do it. I don't think Bret should have been insulted that Shawn had the ladder match with Razor - the reason he was annoyed was because it was his idea and it was "stolen". What he should have done was understood that he had a ladder match with Shawn beforehand, the one only on tape. Shawn had a ladder match with Razor and they stole the show. Ladder matches today are a part of the fabric of WWE. Bret should have been thankful that his idea was picked up and used in such a big time way to make other stars better.
Im all about taking pride in your work. I dont care if you are scrubbing toilets or flying airplanes. But when you lose perspective, you get what you have coming to you. I have never been a professional wrestler. But..... I cannot shake the idea of Bret taking himself SO seriously. If a promotion wants to put the strap on you, consider it an honor. You earned the consideration. Not the title. When you focus so much on being the "champion" of a performance troupe, you tend to forget that you didnt win an honest athletic contest. Your boss decided that you were the best entertainer at that time. Take pride in your work. Do your job to the best of your ability. Do not forget that this is a job. Or end up in Atlanta for $3M a year nd getting cow kicked by a guy who hasnt been around as long as some of your jock straps.
i cant belive that the ladder match was bret harts original idea and now he accuses vince of stealing it from him ahahahahahaha i fucking love bret hart for every reason possible, wat a legend he really is :) high five hitman, the creator of the ladder match pml ahahahahah
Brett always seems so happy and delightful lol. I would have given him a depressing "poor me" gimmick or a Debbie Downer gimmick and I bet he would have nailed it with little to no effort.
Bret does sound a little bitter about Shawn’s and Razor’s ladder match at WrestleMania X. Yeah it was a great idea Bret but the WrestleMaina X ladder match with Shawn Michaels and Razor is still a great match. And it’s a toss up between the ladder match and Bret Vs Owen Hart in the opening match as which was the best match of the night as the rest of the card couldn’t match the quality of those 2 matches
If Bret Hart literally invented the concept of a latter match and no one knows about it and basically credit other people for doing it I'd be pissed about that too. Considering that latters have been a staple gimmick in wrestling since then and used in hundreds if not thousands of matches.
Bret v Owen ladder match would have been great however Razor and Shawns was pertinent because of the storyline where there were two belts, which gave a perfect reason to have a ladder match to pull the belts. Why would bret and owen be climbing the ladder, what were they going for.
I'm not sure how they "stole" his idea when he himself was the one pleading for them to have the match to begin with and he ended up having it with Shawn so Vince did let Bret have the match first.
Bret is one of my favorites of all time but I don’t know why he’s so bitter that they “stole his concept”. I mean really it’s a simple match, much like a cage match.
@@andrewvincent7299 context is important here, Bret had pitched the idea to Vince first, and had asked to be part of it for years, since he joined the WWF in 1984, the Razor and Shawn match was in 1994. Him being upset over it being given to someone else after trying to pitch it for ten years to Vince and was promised (not that Vince's word means much) that he would be in one. And then when it happens, they don't have him in it. Or even tell him, leaving Bret having to find out himself.
The comment section on TH-cam??? Yeah that was my idea... Its not the comments or the people that use it that make it great... Its the idea thats so great
To be fair though , One of the things I like most about Bret Hart is his humanity . He isn't fake. You could say he has too big of an appreciation for himself if you like , but what he says is straight from the hip and sincere . Its far better to hear than some of the more calculated political things you hear from wrestlers who are always in business mode . ( not wanting to piss Vince off )
+Jennifer Meaux Totally agree. I've always said that Bret is just a straight shooter, gives praise to anyone that deserves it (including himself) and doesn't lie to spare feelings. The reason he talks about himself so much is because he gets asked about himself so much, but he tells it like it is no matter the subject. Wish there were more like him.
+Axel Janes Bret's good guy persona with principle didn't fit in the late 90s. We were starting to have a different era. Bad boy attitude era. In general. Lots of gangbanging here in la and just bad rebellious attitude.
To be fair though.....you're a goon.
+The Fox 88 to be fair with a tight ass like yours it's probably for the best.
absolutely. he has no reason to lie or make shit up. his facts may not always be 100% but of course a stroke will do that to you, my mom has those moments too but you can hardly tell, and he may seem like he takes things really serious but thats why he had the career he did and why hes looked up to by so many, myself included
One of the real GOATs. A genuine, honest, professional. Nothing but respect for him, his career and his work ethic. Keep it real Bret.
“...Davey was over pretty strong in England”....dude, he’s still a national treasure to us British wrestling fans, as is Steven/William Regal. They’re our boys!
Don’t forget The Earl! Bob ‘The Slob’ Eaton.
he was strong but not as strong as eddie hall
@@hardcoretj9714 Who?! What about Bobby?!
@@ennbee2051Earl Robert Eaton ftw 👍
I always liked Razor’s offensive style. He would move real slow and calculated, but deliver his attacks super viciously.
I belive Scott has mentioned that Curt Henning told him to do that with "jobbers."
Notice how much time Bret spends talking about match ideas and how proud he is of the show he put on, and how he spends almost no time at all talking about money. Nash's shoot interviews are ONLY about money and screwing with people backstage.
Scott hall kills people, xpac hits woman , hbk is a total scumbag, hhh buried people , and Kevin Nash domestic violence, Bret hart does none of these things
So according to Bret, he offers the idea of the Ladder Match to Vince, and Vince is on the fence about it but then agrees for Bret to have a demo match with Shawn Michaels which went very well. A couple years later when the WrestleMania X Ladder Match between Shawn Michaels and Razor Ramon is announced all of a sudden Bret says that they stole his idea and also didn’t ask for his permission to do the Ladder Match...... That’s a pretty ridiculous point of view. Bret pitched the idea to Vince two years prior. In my opinion it seems like Bret is a little bitter because the Shawn/Razor Ladder Match is talked about more and is and is also held in a higher regard that the match that Bret had with his brother Owen on the same show...
@The Cortege Kevin Nash was in acting, remember Super Shredder from TMNT: Secret of the Ooze!!??
@@Kain_R_Heinlein he isn't Jewish you idiot
Bret is a mark. But he is also the best ever.
Bret always speaks very highly of Curt Henning
Most guys speak Highly of Hennig. Great guy backstage, funny ribs, party guy, awesome color commentator and an extremely safe worker. Something I always hear when someone talks about Curt is that whenever they’re wrestling it’s be “A night off” for the other man. Absolutely brilliant wrestler, amazing person and definitely my number one favorite.
Curt Hennig shat in Jerry Lawler's crown.
and himself
@@madhatter8508 I thought it was the Undertaker. It was mentioned on Something to wrestle with when Conrad interviewed Bruce Prichard. O don't know Either way gross lol 😂🤣😂🤮
@@madhatter8508 Dont blame him. I made bigger payoff's as a paperboy than Lawler paid his talent back then.
Bret is the real deal.
No. Bret complains when its called for.
No he complains and trashes people constantly. Just a bitter old man. And thinks his shit don't stink to top it off.
Won't you complain if you went though all the shit he went he's the best wrestler that was ever in the wwf period
Bret is a class act and a technically perfect (almost) wrestler. Might not have the flash, but definitely had the presence.
Shut up daily! Bret is one of the greats and a legend Fuck all u haters!!!
These are incredible to watch. Bret Hart comes across as genuine in his comments. You believe most of what he says, and he gives you insight into why he thought a certain way during his days in the business.
"It was the idea that was great, not the match"
Cmon Bret that HBK-Razer match was awesome.
It's sour grapes. Honestly it's everything Bret has been spewing since he was released because he refused to evolve.
@@user-fr1ys2wn4t Refused to evolve? Did you see 1997 WWF Bret Hart / Hart Foundation?
HBK vs Razor is overrated. It's been surpassed by almost all other ladder matches in wwf
@@ronniemacdonald2768 Yes a foundation with a bunch of clowns, and his brother who almost killed Austin with a shitty piledriver. Take a Bret hart match from1988 and one from 1997. Not a single move has changed. Those 20 mins of side headlocks and armbars sure are fun to watch -.-
I love Bret. He's betetr than Shanw and Razor imo.
but he should give props where props are due. He can feel a bit 'ripped off' as they used the idea he introduced, but he should at least admit the match is good.
For all you bashing Bret as having exaggerated the ladder match idea. Bret has always said they did this match in Stampede and he never says he invented the ladder match. He wanted to bring the idea to WWF, showed it to Vince and wanted the idea to be used by him (fair enough since it was his idea). Look, if they were going to give the match to someone else, they could have at least asked Bret or told him before just booking it. Pretty crappy on Vince's part.
sextc89 I'm sure Bret didn't specifically ask for a ladder match at WM, but that's not the point. If Bret told Vince that he wanted the idea to be used for him and Vince agreed to that, it's pretty bad that Vince booked Shawn and Razor at WM without even telling him about it. Shawn even admits in interviews they stole the idea from him.
Chris Williams I'm sure Bret wouldn't have been thrilled but I doubt he would have been as bothered by it for so many years. Bret would have disagreed I'm sure, but he always respected people that were straight with him, even if it wasn't what he wanted to hear. I liked the Bret/Owen match at WM X better anyway. The Shawn/Razor match was great for sure, mostly because of all the unique high spots that Shawn pulled off. Razor just happened to be there. Honestly I think you could have put the Brooklyn Brawler in there with Shawn and it still would have been a damn good match. Shawn was just that good. I honestly would have loved to see Shawn and Bret do a PPV ladder match. That would have been amazing with two such awesome workers.
@109296360466307036491 First off dude no need to insult me. Just because we don't agree on a match doesn't mean I "don't know much" as you say. Razor was a big athletic guy who could work well for a guy his size. If he were focused on his wrestling versus being a drunk more often he could have been an all time great. Secondly, you compare him to Undertaker at that time. Undertaker had a Frankenstein gimmick at that time that limited his move set. It wasn't until 96'-97' and then later his "American Bad Ass" gimmick that you saw more of what he could do. There is no debate that Undertaker's matches were much better during the second half of his career than the first. Also, Razor was a good worker, but ladder matches tend to do better with smaller, high flyers, which Shawn was and Razor wasn't, so the type of match certainly showcased Shawn's ability more. That said, pretty common knowledge that Shawn carried that match and that Razor was in the ring while Shawn "wrestled a ladder" as Flair used to say.
@109296360466307036491 Ok man, I was buying a lot of what you are saying but to say that Bret and Shawn wouldn't have been a better ladder match. Obviously we are talking "what if's" here but come on. You are seriously comparing Scott Hall with Bret? Dude, I will give you that Shawn is probably the best in ring performer ever (Bret isn't the best, but he is top five), but Razor? The guy had ton of talent and a good look but was focused maybe 5% of the time. If Shawn and Bret had a ladder match in their prime when both were top flight workers and big bumpers, that would have been amazing. As far as Shawn being on drugs at the time, sure he was. But why is he considered maybe the best ever where as Hall is just another good wrestler? A lot of it is because Shawn got cleaned up. If he didn't he likely would be dead today or worse off than Jake Roberts turned out. The second career he had after he came back was just as good, if not better than his first. Sure, he lost some of his athleticism, but his story telling improved 100% from where it was and he could still work just as well as anyone WWE had. It's that second career that makes Michaels what he is today. As far as the Hall/Nash making WCW. Yeah, the NWO did for like two years before the gimmick ran dry, Hogan got too old, Hall drank himself out of the business and Nash got injured every time he sneezed. They lucked into that gimmick and it worked out for a couple of years. You can just as easily say that they helped run the company out of business between mid 98'-01'.
+Chris Williams Ok dude, first off, chill out. You write 3/4 posts for every one I write. You are all over the place with the different points you are trying to make. Secondly, no need to call me an idiot just because you and I disagree on a ladder match from over 20 years ago. So to address your 1000
points from your last four posts: 1. When you say Shawn and Bret couldn't have had a better ladder match than Shawn and Razor (whether or not anyone agrees) you are comparing Bret and Razor. 2. Bret/Shawn iron man match was not carried by either man. Shawn dominated the first half of the match offensively and Bret the second half. 3. I pretty much agree with your entire second post. 4. First off, you called me an idiot so go fuck yourself. 5. Not saying coming up with the gimmick of NWO was luck but lucky it did that well. Too bad they ran in into the ground and rolled with it about 2 years too long. 6. I had no idea how Sting came up with the crow gimmick. Thanks for the tid bit. 7. Hogan held on to the top spot in WCW way too long at the expense of younger guys. He had a later run in WWE? Uh, ok. Runs of like 2-4 months where he wrestled a few times, if you call that a run. Hogan was never a great worker and an old Hogan had zero business main eventing anything. You mention Flair but although he is an embarrassment now he did have a nice WWE run later because he is ten times the worker Hogan is. 8. The Time Warner merger didn't help WCW but there are many reasons it went under. That being one of many and Hogan and the tired NWO crap being another. 9. I think Michaels first and second runs are about equal, and they were very different. Version 1 was more athletic and edgier. Version 2 was still a great worker (not as good as verison 1) and could tell a story much better than version 1. Anyway, I'll wait for your next insult and multiple posts. Have a great day.
I always thought it would be cool to have a Hart vs savage match for the title around 92-93 at a summerslam or wrestlemania
+Dill Clinton I'd have watched it, for sure.
Should've did it 1991. Bret push was a 18 months too late. 90 and 91 he was still messing with Demolition in tag matches. Hart Foundation by 1989,ran its course. Shit,in 1987,Randy and Bret had a great match on SME. Hart was wasted from 89-91.
It took Razor Ramon all of what... six months to win his first title in the WWF? Bret was in the company for 6-7 years before he won his first singles title. It's just a size thing to Vince. The taller you are, the farther you go in the WWF.
After Bret won the world title in 92 for the first time Savage run was just about up and Bret became a legit character 😎
Apparently both Hart and Savage pushed for a feud but Vince was having none of it as he was pushing the New Generation era. God knows why he let what happened at WM9 happen though
Bret is the best ever in and out of the ring,I have met him many of times and what a great kind man
It was Tito Santana that came up with the name. Scott Hall says so himself, he went to take a piss after meeting with Vince, and he didn’t have a name, and he had the Razor part, but hall asked Santana for a surname that would be good, and he instantly spit out Ramón....and Vince instantly loved it. So, Bret is pretty spot on with most of his recollection, because Curt did in fact go in with Scott, but it was Tito Santana that gave him the name.
Love you bret.
Imagine if Bret and Shawn was actually trying to put on a great Ladder match. We'd still be talking about that match to this day as one of the best matches ever.
Shame it never happened.
Definetly would had been better than with Razor. Razor too big for perfect ladder matches.
The best there ever will be.
Thanks. I know I am.
Redfield 100% Was that meant to be funny?
Also it was blatantly you who thumbed up your own comment 😅
I usually thumb up my own comments to give them a little push.
Not even top 5.
The cage match between Bret and Owen at Summerslam 94 was not only (easily) the greatest traditional cage match of all time, but I think that match is a highly unrated match could probably should fall into anybody's top 10 list for greatest matches of all time. Not to say Bret and Owen couldn't have done a great job with a ladder match, but it would have never compared to the cage match, and while Bret and Shawn probably would have had a great ladder match, I really don't think it would have been as classic as Shawn and Razor.
Although Bret says he wishes he wrestled in a ladder match with Owen at Summerslam 1994, the cage match they had was awesome.
I bet that its your idea and a great one at that but the match was great too. I would have liked to see Bret and Shawm(or Owen) have a ladder match as well though.
Brett heart was always a favorite of mine growing up. Always wanted to be the kid who got the glasses! Haha
Bret is brutally honest, and a little bitter, and I respect him for both. He was always a must watch for me growing up. I wish he would have had an angle with Randy for the belt during the WWF days.
I was at the taping where the Bret-Shawn ladder match happened (July of 92 in Portland, Maine). I remember half of the fans left the arena once that match was done, and they had to darken the arena. The match was about 2/3 of the way through the taping.
1) Are you saying the left because it was great and they thought it was the main event or that they left because it was awful?
2) My best friend was at that taping (we are both from Portland, ME and were kids in 1992) and I wasn't there. She asked me if I wanted to go, but I declined because my family thought wrestling was stupid and I didn't want to tell them that I liked it. I always watched wrestling at her house because I didn't want my family to know. They found out, anyway (of course). I wish I had gone to the taping. :(
I remember it was getting late in the evening, at that point...
As a kid I had the taping of this Ladder Match on a VHS of various types of gimmick matches. It was called something like "WWF Most Unusual Matches" and this was definitely the highlight match of the tape.
Its Brets world, we're just living in it.
Brett Hart is the most resentful man I have ever seen in my entire life.
Bret Hart is the Ned Stark of pro wrestling
So damn true
He's the Ned Beatty of wrasslin.
Hahaha so true
It was actually Tito Santana who came up w/ the razor Ramon name ..hall said it in an interview, as he was the only one who spoke Spanish in the locker room
It has to more detail of it
mike mac donald is like to see that interview.
Scott came up with the Razor name and it was Tito who came up with Ramon
Thats incredible..not only hes the best he is the one creating the Ladder Matches..thats how good he was..
Funny Bret mentions Al Pacino because that's who he reminds me of with his deep gravelly voice.
It's not deep, though. It's just froggy.
Bret’s voice has always reminded me of a clear-speaking Sly Stallone
I wish other wrestlers would give each other the credit the way Bret gives himself, holy hell talk about putting yourself over guy.
He’s always crying about everything. I loved him growing up but he’s been a baby about this stuff for like 25 years now.
I was going to comment about how he has aged but remembered I should be thankful he's still alive as so so so many other of my childhood wrestling heroes are dead.
Bret Hart is sooooo chill.
I’m a Bret Hart fan. A massive one. Met him twice and he was brilliant. It was a bit of a dodgy move from Vincent to take the idea and give it to someone else, but, without that, we’d never have had that classic match at mania 10 with Shawn and razor. Imagine that! Wrestling would have lost one of the greatest matches of all time. The opening technical wrestling match with Bret and Owen and the story they told was so beautiful it didn’t need any kind of gimmick. Those two matches made mania 10 what it was.
In the mid 80s, as a kid, Brett Hart was one of my fav wrestlers. Even though he was in a heel tag team at the time, I felt like his look was something special. The sunglasses, leather jacket, long greasy hair, it gave him a badass appearance and I always rooted for The Heart Foundation to win based on his look. In later decades, Raven would assume a similar look but with a 90s flair, and once again that appealed to me. A stoner baddass type of anti-hero.
Bret Hart is a true legend. Best there is, best there was, and the best there ever will be.
Bret, all you do is cry!
-Stone Cold Steve Austin
Only guy that wasnt afraid of Austin and made him look average in the ring.They respect each other a lot outside of wrestling.
I thought I caught Bret momentarily trying hard not to laugh hearing Scott Hall speak with that Spanish accent once when they were arguing back and forth to each other
Shawn Michaels made the match far greater than the idea
Bret is a bit full of himself, but hasn't he earned that by being one of the greatest workers of all time?
He was so protective of his legacy ?
maybe top 20.....
Shelia Ellison top 2
Hitman #1
@YTCensorsMe Poop your absolutely right
Had Razor not got down the whole drug route, he would've been what Austin became. He had everything from the look, to the bad guy gimmick and he was a pretty decent wrestler.
I agree. Razor was an excellent heel.
Scott could do everything. Very creative mind
Mr. Perfects fault. Got him into drugs.
Decent wrestler? The dude was great and could work with any sized wrestler and make it look good and believable.
Even with his bad habits Scott Hall is one of the greats… unfortunately because of his bad habits & he decided to leave WWE he is not as known.
This should be a meme... Bret showing up at different random companies/places suggesting they do a ladder match. Over and over. "I've got an idea, how about a ladder match?"
"You know guys, I really think you should do a ladder match."
I agree with Bret about Shawn stealing his idea and funny enough Shawn Michaels also didn't create the superkick as it was originally created by Gentleman Chris Adams during his tenure with World Class Championship Wrestling. Chris Adams was the first person to have created it and used it. The very first Ladder match happened in Stu Hart's territory Stampede Wrestling. Shawn Michaels didn't even come up with the Heartbreak Kid nickname. It was Mr. Perfect that came up with the name in the first place. In my opinion Shawn Michaels had no original ideas but knew how to steal it from other people.
I had WWF Smack 'Em Whack 'Em on VHS a long time ago. It had both the ladder match with Shawn and Title win over Flair. I never even knew how he won the World title in the first place because they never televised the match. Flair was already gone and Bret had already dropped the title at WrestleMania IX when they released the tape too.
Scott Hall's worst mistake was taking the backseat in wcw to Hogan and Nash, because the Razor character at that point was better than Hogan and Nash.
Razor Ramon was a WWF trademark character, so was Diesel. Which is why they went by their names when they went to WCW. Hall and Nash were fine with Hulk having the spotlight because he was making 10x what everyone else was.
"It was the idea that was great, not the match." See - I love Bret, but that's the problem with Bret in a nutshell, right there. If he had said it was a great idea and it was stolen from him and Shawn and Razor had a great match with it, then I would say, "Yeah, they really kinda cheated Bret." But the way he always has to make sure no one else sounds as good of a wrestler as him, it doesn't make you want to feel sorry for him. They DID steal his idea. They also did a great match with it because they were also great wrestlers. It doesn't have to be one or the other.
Fair point.... And i would hazard a guess the reason Bret was replaced was because Vince knew Bret wouldnt put Shawn over in HIS match.
@@sc239 Yes, I think you're probably right about that.
@@sc239 I think it had more to do with the storyline just fitting better for Shawn and Razor with Shawn still carrying around the old belt with the argument he was never defeated. The gimmick was a natural fit for the storyline.
Bret did get ripped off but all things being equal, he was getting the belt back and his brother was getting the top heel spot. Still, Vince should have came to him if he gave his word but hey, forgiveness over permission.
They also had ladder matches in Calgary when Bret was a kid. He’s a liar claiming he invented them.
@@MiningForPies Do you remember who was in those ladder matches? I hadn't heard that before now.
“They stole my match” - Bret “the mark” hart.
The idea was great but preformance is what brings it to life. Michaels and Razor WM10 set the standard for all ladder matches.
Bret came up with ladder matches he is a genius.
He did not. That match has been around since the 60s. Pat Patterson was in few ladder matches in that era. Bret was just wanting to bring the idea back because it hadn't been done before on WWF.
“Ma brother owwwen.”
Yes Bret, for the thousandth time we know Owen is your brother. You don’t have to keep telling us
Now that's something I'd like to see on WWE Network's Hidden Gems!
The Razor Ramon gimmick was the Diamond Stud gimmick in WCW
Shawn and Bret are the two best ever but Jericho's catching them up.
It's funny how Bret always gets the short end of the stick when Shawn Michaels is involved.
BRET!! DONT LIE SON, SOMEONE ELSE CAME UP WITH THE LADDER MATCH, NOT YOU!!
Most of bret's interviews is about him being bitter about something..
And most of it had something to do about what he wanted didn't happen because there were some guys backstage that vince would listen to more than him.
The thing was, bret kept thinking like an employee. But those guys whom he were so bitter about, kept thinking like business partners, and so vince would listen to them more. And so, two of them now are managing NXT and the main WWE show.
Morons out there should know ladder matches started in a big promotion in Stampede Wrestling. Which was in in......Canada!! So Bret is probobly right and it makes sense he came up with the idea of a ladder match for the title. Bret and Shawn or Bret and Razor could of been as good if not Better at Wrestlemania or Summerslam. Hell a triple threat ladder with those 3 could have been the greatest three way in History
His Dad owned that company
I think what Bret said is that he came up with the idea by himself. Even though someone else had already came up with it before, Bret had no knowledge of that so it's not like Bret purposely stole the idea.
So that means the one who should be complaining about his match being stolen is Bruce?
If Bret had that summerslam match with Davy boy for the ic belt and it was a ladder match it would have been better then the wrestlemaina x ladder match
I think Bret said the best match he ever had was a Stampede wrestling house show ladder match with Dynamite Kid in Saskatoon in 1981?
he's like "so I told Vince...I have this great idea...ladder matches..." and so the next year I said it again "Hey Vince...I have this idea...ladder matches"... and so 4 months later;
*Bret Hart:* Hey Vince...I have this idea...
*Vince:* I KNOW, I KNOW...FUCKING LADDER MATCHES!!!
REPEATER "All these ex wrestlers interviews are more entertaining than watching wwe nowadays. -
Hall said that when trying to figure out a name, he went to take a piss and Tito Santana was at the urinal next to him. He asked him for a Spanish name starting with R and right away he said Ramone.
prime video 1992 before summerslam was tape vhs wwf first ever ladder match true story!!
“It’s the idea that’s great, not the match”. - Bret “the mark” hart.
so many people don't understand ladder matches are an old idea. Beats me why New York never done it prior.
It makes since that the ladder match was a Bret idea, it was a way for him to drop a belt without actually being beat
By that logic it's the perfect match for Shawn Michaels
I feel like Bret should be happy Vince used one of his ideas with the ladder match. We already saw the Bret vs HBK ladder match in 92 which was a great match, should of been a ppv match.
I'm sure this comment is on here a million times and I'm sure Bret doesn't care, which it understandable, but Scott had the name Razor and he asked Tito Santana for a name that would go with it. Tito was taking a leak when they asked and he yelled back at him, RAMON!
in Bret's book, he did say he hated Shawn for using his finish (falling from the ladder and crotching himself on the top rope) at the Wrestlemania 10 ladder match. I respect Bret and Shawn, but at that time Shawn had an ego problem. sure, he is a talented athlete, but you also need to be respectful. Bret was loyal to the locker room, as it was the guys in the locker room you needed to trust in the ring.
And respected with the undertaker, so yeah shawn michaels was a prick during 92 to 98
+shaunhailey1 ya, you're right. Shawn was a huge prick. Everyone agrees. Bret wasn't exactly mister professional though. When it came time for him to "do the job" he refused to give up the belt, hence the Montreal Screwjob, and the end of Bret's career.
apparently there was a situation where (before Montreal) that Bret said he had no problem dropping the belt to Shawn. HBK's response was 'I respect that, but I'm not willing to do the same for you'. so that set the course of things to come...
if Bret had stayed, there were rumours of a ladder match between them at Royal Rumble 98
+captainthrall He didn't want to drop the belt to Shawn, cause HBK told him in the locker room that he wouldn't put him over EVER. Bret would've been willing to drop the belt to everybody but Shawn Micheals at that point of time.
no one is innocent in this debacle. later on Bret admits that he 'threw a little gas on that fire too', remember what happened to wendi richer in 1985?
Bret vs Yokozuna in a ladder match would have been the greatest of all
The best there was The best there is An the best there ever will be Live long and prosper hitman
hbk never realy gave any credit to Bret about the ladder match...to bad it would have been awesome.
But Bret didn't invent ladder matches. Pat Patterson was doing ladder matches in the 60s. It sounds here like Bret is trying to take credit for the invention of the matches
Randy Savage and Dynamite Kid would have had an amazing ladder match back in 85 or 86
interviewer is genius,,,says 3 words...whispered
Epic Champion!
Bret is amazing
Scott already had the hair style in WCW, Diamond Studd
"Vince promised me he'd never do the match with anyone else"
Yeah, not the last time he'd break a promise to Bret
I’m speculating here, but Vince probably took that to mean that Bret would be the one to debut it in the WWF and after that it was fair game. The gimmick has been introduced so it’s only fair that others get in on it.
@@dr.floridamanphd Except Bret didn't get to debut it, did he? Vince took it and let someone else debut it.
Vikashar, it wasn’t the big PPV match he wanted, but he did debut it against HBK.
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@@dr.floridamanphd That took place before the other one?
Vikashar, by at least 2 years.
"It's the idea that's great, not the match!"-- sorry Hitman, but the match was great! x
People saying he's depressed don't know. He's just a really serious guy, everybody says this about him.
Bret Hart had the original idea for every single awesome thing you’ve ever seen in wrestling. He was actually the one who told Vince Sr to sign Bruno Sammartino back in the early 60’s.
Everything that has ever been adored by fans in the history of wrestling was 100% a Bret Hart creation. If you don’t believe me, just ask him!
He created Wrestlemania
@@tammyfytch1073 oh you know it. He had the idea back in 1932. No one would listen to him until the 80’s though. And no one ever gives him credit!
Wrestling is a complicated business. I don't think Bret ever grasped the concept that Vince would do what he wanted to do with talent, when he wanted to do it. I don't think Bret should have been insulted that Shawn had the ladder match with Razor - the reason he was annoyed was because it was his idea and it was "stolen". What he should have done was understood that he had a ladder match with Shawn beforehand, the one only on tape. Shawn had a ladder match with Razor and they stole the show. Ladder matches today are a part of the fabric of WWE. Bret should have been thankful that his idea was picked up and used in such a big time way to make other stars better.
Looking back its insane they did a cuban drug dealer gimmick in early 90s wwf.
I had the idea of a ladder match inside a cage 🤯
"I don't wanna be a cowboy"
Im all about taking pride in your work. I dont care if you are scrubbing toilets or flying airplanes. But when you lose perspective, you get what you have coming to you.
I have never been a professional wrestler. But..... I cannot shake the idea of Bret taking himself SO seriously. If a promotion wants to put the strap on you, consider it an honor. You earned the consideration. Not the title. When you focus so much on being the "champion" of a performance troupe, you tend to forget that you didnt win an honest athletic contest. Your boss decided that you were the best entertainer at that time. Take pride in your work. Do your job to the best of your ability. Do not forget that this is a job.
Or end up in Atlanta for $3M a year nd getting cow kicked by a guy who hasnt been around as long as some of your jock straps.
i cant belive that the ladder match was bret harts original idea and now he accuses vince of stealing it from him ahahahahahaha i fucking love bret hart for every reason possible, wat a legend he really is :) high five hitman, the creator of the ladder match pml ahahahahah
Bret and dynamite had a couple good ladder matches in calgary, same with bad news Allen
Brett always seems so happy and delightful lol. I would have given him a depressing "poor me" gimmick or a Debbie Downer gimmick and I bet he would have nailed it with little to no effort.
They had ladder matches in the early 1970s but sure, Bret you “invented” them 😂
Bret does sound a little bitter about Shawn’s and Razor’s ladder match at WrestleMania X. Yeah it was a great idea Bret but the WrestleMaina X ladder match with Shawn Michaels and Razor is still a great match. And it’s a toss up between the ladder match and Bret Vs Owen Hart in the opening match as which was the best match of the night as the rest of the card couldn’t match the quality of those 2 matches
Bret Hart was the gimmick. That's what made him and Guys like HHH and the Rock awesome they didn't need to be something other than themselves.
HHH was "Hunter Hearst Helmsley, the American blueblood." Hardly himself.
Bret really, really likes ladders.
Bret keepin it real, like always lol.
I thought Ryback created the ladder match
If Bret Hart literally invented the concept of a latter match and no one knows about it and basically credit other people for doing it I'd be pissed about that too. Considering that latters have been a staple gimmick in wrestling since then and used in hundreds if not thousands of matches.
Overkill79 it was his father Stu who came up with it. Bret just told Vince about it and suggested using it.
Bret v Owen ladder match would have been great however Razor and Shawns was pertinent because of the storyline where there were two belts, which gave a perfect reason to have a ladder match to pull the belts. Why would bret and owen be climbing the ladder, what were they going for.
I'm not sure how they "stole" his idea when he himself was the one pleading for them to have the match to begin with and he ended up having it with Shawn so Vince did let Bret have the match first.
Bret is one of my favorites of all time but I don’t know why he’s so bitter that they “stole his concept”. I mean really it’s a simple match, much like a cage match.
He didn't even invent the match. The match has been around since the 60s.
@@andrewvincent7299 context is important here, Bret had pitched the idea to Vince first, and had asked to be part of it for years, since he joined the WWF in 1984, the Razor and Shawn match was in 1994. Him being upset over it being given to someone else after trying to pitch it for ten years to Vince and was promised (not that Vince's word means much) that he would be in one. And then when it happens, they don't have him in it. Or even tell him, leaving Bret having to find out himself.
The comment section on TH-cam??? Yeah that was my idea... Its not the comments or the people that use it that make it great... Its the idea thats so great
Bret’s talking like he created the ladder match and had a patent over it so it couldn’t be used without his permission